AFLgate readings

Two very good analyses caught my eye today:

THE ART OF BULLYING : ASADA & AFL MEDIA STYLE

The two most stunning admissions from [head of ASADA Ben] McDevitt would come via an interview on ABC radio with host Gerard Whateley and journalist from The Australian, Chip Le Grand this past Saturday, June 14, 2014.
The first was that no player and indeed no other sportsperson would be charged by ASADA for use of controversial drug AOD9604 prior to April 22nd 2013, the day the World Anti Doping body WADA would proclaim it to be banned.
This one has somehow flown largely under the radar, incredibly. Well not ‘somehow’, it’s flown under the radar because the vast majority of people paid to talk about football in this country relentlessly smeared Essendon’s reputation last year based largely on the players alleged use of the drug. You see it was really Essendon’s alleged use of AOD9604 that sunk them with most of Melbourne’s footy media and the country’s football loving public for the majority of 2013.

The second incredible admission from McDevitt in the same interview with the excellent Whateley and Le Grand was that he was “unsure what the burden of proof was for ASADA to achieve a supsension” on the Essendon players.
So the man who had spent the entire day making a point of telling the world that it was his decision and his decision alone to issue the players with show cause notices, notices he’d issued because he felt there was enough evidence to eventually garner bans against the players; admitted on the same day that he didn’t know what his burden of proof was to win such a case and achieve those bans.

Bombers determined to get the ball back in their court

McDevitt’s alternative to pushing ahead to the show-cause stage was to dismiss all cases and start his tenure with his agency a laughing stock, its credibility and morale shattered.

No wonder ASADA is angling for plea bargains.

And also saying it will accept the Federal Court’s call if its investigation is ruled invalid and its evidence unusable – which one suspects might come as a quiet relief to McDevitt.

The bottom line is this:

When was the last time you saw a prosecutor who believed he had his accused beaten in a watertight case go on TV to publicly offer them a 75% reduction of their sentence?

Both pieces are well worth reading in full.

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68 Responses to AFLgate readings

  1. Badjack

    But still Caroline Wilson and Patrick Smith keep up the good fight for the previous Govt and scream guilty at every opportunity at Essendon and Cronulla (even though no mention of action against Cronulla from ASADA)

  2. Badjack

    Whateley did not have the courage to challenge Wilson on the Offsiders last Sunday. He meekly let her rant.

  3. Lysander

    Sinc. Your bombers still sux

  4. hammy

    The assumption that Essendon is purity itself may be totally misplaced. Let the process unfold before you make these dogmatic assumptions about which you have no knowledge whatsoever.

  5. jumpnmcar

    Weren’t 75 AFL players positive for banded substances last year ? with not even a week off ?
    If the same happened in NRL we’d see 75 men banned for 2 years each, some bans career ending, and rightly so.
    AFL is a drug paradise.

  6. Goanna

    Put it this way.
    I’d rather see the AFL get a good hiding than Essendon get done for dope.

  7. the sting

    The AFL under Demetriou became a joke.AFL players can get caught 3 times smoking dope ,sniffing cocaine or shooting other illegal drugs into their systems before they are banned.Yet what they coulda done,might have done,maybe have or have not done can get them banned for 2 years!!!

  8. Sinclair Davidson

    Your bombers still sux

    Haters will hate.

  9. AP

    I really, really don’t understand what this has to do with the Federal Government. Can someone please explain? Why is the government involved at all? Unless people have broken laws, who gave them a mandate to become involved in sport?

  10. Rob MW

    Personally I like the idea that totally legal drugs are available at the end of each end in the game of Bowls. Performance enhancing drugs they are not, but nonetheless, perhaps this is another job for the Feds and ASADA particularly if they like getting wacked in the groin with walking sticks.

  11. rafiki

    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/why-australian-sports-must-cut-ties-with-wada-20140615-zs8k1.html

    On the first point, no lawyer could say with any certainty what ‘comfortable satisfaction’ means. That is not a standard used by the common law or the Evidence Act. (It is also different to the ‘Briginshaw’ principle; I’ll explain if someone wishes.)

    On the second point, maybe McDevitt feels compassion for the players and wants a result that causes the minimum of damage to them. I don’t know, but I would not assume that he thinks ASADA has a weak case. I don’t think the players should serve 1 days suspension, let alone 6 months, and further that this should be made plain to them without any more delay. But how to achieve this?

    On Sinclair’s last post on this imbroglio, I argued that the best way to end quickly the pain the players (and Essendon supporters) must feel is for the AFL to simply pull out of its agreement to subject itself to WADA, and deal with this episode and any future ones on a basis that is fair to the players. I learn today that some USA professional sports are doing just this. See this
    http://www.canberratimes.com.au/sport/why-australian-sports-must-cut-ties-with-wada-20140615-zs8k1.html
    (There is a more general point here about whether we in Australia should take seriously many kinds of ‘international’ bodies of norms and processes. Given their very widespread non-application, I don’t think many of these norms deserve to be called ‘law’ ).
    One particular reason to do so is that WADA norms about strict liability (indeed the rules impose close to absolute liability) are offensive to our common law traditions concerning criminal liability.
    It may take the threat of a players’ strike to bring this about.It’s time to put the hard word on the players’ association.

  12. Empire

    One particular reason to do so is that WADA norms about strict liability (indeed the rules impose close to absolute liability) are offensive to our common law traditions concerning criminal liability.

    Well said sir. If only Carlton supporters possessed the IQ and values to understand this simple argument. Despite their protestations, it seems they really are the despotic simpletons we have always imagined them to be.

    I had a Collingwood sycophant argue the same wrongology on Saturday night, but that was expected. I told him he was lying through his teeth. I was wrong. He was lying through the gap where his teeth were once mounted.

  13. Today is the 199th anniversary of Napoleon’s defeat at Waterloo; born on this date were Sir Paul McCartney and Paul Eddington (of “Yes, Minister” fame).

  14. I’m sure I could find a way to explain the placing of the above post if I tried.

  15. Roger

    This was never about drugs or sport or drugs in sport. It was always political. It was an attempt to distract from a particularly bad phase Gillard was going through. It was given big supportive coverage by all the usual pro Labor hacks. For the same reason, they won’t hound ASADA. Just another example of the political corruption of the MSM in Australia.

  16. feelthebern

    This ASADA scandal is one of the biggest abuses of process & government power I have ever seen in Australia.
    But then again, I’m only 36 so haven’t seen all that much.
    Citizens need to be protected from government.
    I don’t understand why the sports minister doesn’t call in the regulator for a “please explain” chat.

    People who read the Crime Commission report (or excepts) last year had to sign non disclosure agreements that had jail time as a penalty if they were breached.
    Why then can ASADA keep leaking to Caroline Wilson & Patrick Smith with no penalties?

  17. Combine_Dave

    Shut it down. Fire them all :)

    The AFL that is!

    /kidding.

  18. Aristogeiton

    hammy
    #1350630, posted on June 17, 2014 at 8:40 pm
    The assumption that Essendon is purity itself may be totally misplaced. Let the process unfold before you make these dogmatic assumptions about which you have no knowledge whatsoever.

    Of course. Ei incumbit probatio qui negat, non qui dicit? (Corrections as necessary Deadman).

  19. JohnA

    Badjack #1350612, posted on June 17, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    Whateley did not have the courage to challenge Wilson on the Offsiders last Sunday. He meekly let her rant.

    Napoleon’s maxim again:
    “Do not interrupt your enemy when he is executing a blunder.”

    And it ceratinly sounds as if CW was blundering…

  20. JohnA

    feelthebern #1351105, posted on June 18, 2014 at 7:28 am

    This ASADA scandal is one of the biggest abuses of process & government power I have ever seen in Australia.
    But then again, I’m only 36 so haven’t seen all that much.
    Citizens need to be protected from government.
    I don’t understand why the sports minister doesn’t call in the regulator for a “please explain” chat.

    How about calling it a “show cause” confrontation?

  21. Rabz

    It was always political. It was an attempt to distract from a particularly bad phase Gillard was going through.

    Quite so. I made this very observation recently on another thread, claiming at the time I couldn’t be bothered go back and checking the daily history of Gillard’s fuck ups.

    Until I did. The seemingly interminable blunderings of the worst government in this country’s history at that point in time certainly do make for perversely amusing reading and go some way to explaining this massive and quite ridiculous distraction. Given my current views on the ALPFL, I have no sympathy for the game’s administration, but quite a bit for Essendon, particularly Hird, who has been treated disgracefully.

    That fat Greek bastard should be hung, drawn and quartered for his role in this alone, never mind his other extremely unpleasant characteristics and behaviour.

  22. EB

    LOL at the first one.

    Pretty obvious a bombers fan started a blog about 4 days ago to get on the soapbox.

    And it reads like it too. It seems bully is the new emotive buzz word or catch all for simple minds to undermine any argument they’re on the opposite side of.

  23. incoherent rambler

    I like the bowls analogy.
    Anginine as a performance enhacing drug?

    Get em out of the sport!

  24. Uber

    Patrick Smith was the head witch hunter, demonising the character of James Hird along the way. The Australian needs to get itself a reputable and clear thinking sports writer.

  25. John Comnenus

    Can’t agree with you EB. Let’s see where the chips fall. But if they fall adversely against ASADA and the AFL then I am all for Hird in particular taking the lot of them down.

  26. Ubique

    It’d be nice to see Essendon players take out civil suits against ASADA officers personally. Nothing like the thought of losing the house to keep a bureaucrat at wake at night.

  27. John Comnenus

    Ubique,
    I hope you are right. If the players have not taken any banned substance then the players and Essendon should target the individuals who targeted and bullied them. Remember, at every stage the AFL and ASADA have tried to bully Essendon and the players into rolling over and taking a low penalty so that the powers to be can pretend that something terrible has occurred. If nothing untoward occurred then ASADA and AFL have been guilty of a disgraceful level of bullying.

  28. EB

    Sorry, forgot upper echelons of Libs are involved at the Bombers and eventually it comes back to the false dichotomy.

    I’m sure Hanke’s got his fingers crossed for a good red and black outcome. It might go a little way to cover the shitty job he did for Hird.

  29. steve

    The assumption that Essendon is purity itself may be totally misplaced. Let the process unfold before you make these dogmatic assumptions about which you have no knowledge whatsoever.

    Yes, hammy, I agree. So…..we should not take away draft picks, or ban the coach for a year of impose a 2 million dollar fine or ban the club from the finals until it all comes out, right?

  30. rafiki

    Do any of you realise just how much it costs in time an money to sue a cashed-upped defendant? Years, and if there is a loss, bankruptcy follows. I see very little chance that ASADA will roll over and say ‘it was all a big mistake, we withdraw our notices and the players are in the clear’. The AFL can do that (see above).
    This is not now about Hird, Demetriou, Gillard, Devitt et al. It’s about restoring the reputation of the players, and their very livlihoods and even mental health. The WAD regime is plainly unjust, and the AFL should never have signed up to it. Whatever the risk to other sports, the AFL should pull out.

  31. Empire

    Sorry, forgot upper echelons of Libs are involved at the Bombers and eventually it comes back to the false dichotomy.

    Aren’t you supposed to be supervised on day release?

  32. .

    Game theory rafiki -

    The AFL needs to let ASADA et. al., know there is a strong disincentive.

  33. .

    Quite so. I made this very observation recently on another thread, claiming at the time I couldn’t be bothered go back and checking the daily history of Gillard’s fuck ups.

    Just like the Royal Commission into child abuse. It was all a ruse to divert attention from calls at the time for a RC into union criminality.

    Childless Gillard couldn’t give a shit about kids. Why did she steal from an Orphans and Widows of Miner’s trust fund? Oh because she cares about the chillun’s, that’s why.

    This is just as jokeworthy and transparent as the bottle of Grange the unions sent to Spazza O Farrel, much like the mafia giving someone an unrequested favour.

    They are criminals to boot and we should see through this garbage and press on for lengthy gaol terms for at least 20 senior union and ALP figures.

  34. rafiki

    Dot: is not telling ADASA to piss off a stronger disincentive?
    If anyone is concerned that Dank might escape scrutiny – note that the police are now onto him for Medicare fraud.

  35. .

    Well yes they should pull out, AFL is only the national sport of Australia…and our client state Nauru.

    There are a few countries which aren’t part of the WADA remit which compete internationally in cricket, rugby league and also at the Olympic games.

    WADA, ASADA and the relevant convention are unnecessary jobs for the boys BS.

  36. Max

    ASADA = Show Trials
    Andrew Bolt = Show Trials

    The’ll keep coming…. Probably “Climate Deniers” will be next.

  37. The assumption that Essendon is purity itself may be totally misplaced. Let the process unfold before you make these dogmatic assumptions about which you have no knowledge whatsoever.

    Justice is not about innocence, Hammy. Have you ever heard a judge proclaim a defendant “innocent”? There is a reason they use the term “not guilty”. It only refers to the specific charges laid, not the general morals of the accused.

    So typical of the left to toss aside due process and equality before the law whenever it suits. No amount of torture could make an innocent man confess, eh Hammy?

  38. Gerry

    Who is the author of the “bullying” article – I don’t see anonymous articles on here very often ….is it a footy fan? A bombers supporter ? Is there any angst in the author that could taint the message ? we don’t know ..

  39. Mique

    When the lynch mob has finished dealing with Patrick Smith and Caroline Wilson, there next customer should be Red-Ragger Peter FitzSimons who for weeks did nothing but do the ALP’s bidding in promoting this disgraceful Star Chamber exercise as if it were legitmate despite all the obvious evidence to the contrary.

    Shame on them all.

  40. .

    “Gerry”

    Who are you and what is your agenda?

    Mine is freedom.

    I wonder what your agenda really is.

  41. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1351251, posted on June 18, 2014 at 10:42 am
    “Gerry”

    Who are you and what is your agenda?

    Mine is freedom.

    Mine is freedom, but I don’t want to freak people out by telling them how much I want (i.e. enough to get the balance right) just yet.

  42. MattyB

    Ignoring the ‘legality’ of the investigation, ASADA’s behaviour, (rightful) hatred of Gillard/Demetriou and the “Blackest Day in Sport”, the AFL’s constant manipulation of the sport to achieve financial bonuses for senior management … do people (i.e. Sinc) think that Essendon’s players were not injected with banned performance enhancing substances?

    We’ve all read enough media reports, spent time on footy forums where many members have close ties with people involved (and inside knowledge). While there is no smoking gun, i.e. a positive blood test, it is common knowledge that there is enough evidence (invoices, delivery dockets, testimony from compounding chemists, dosage plans that specifically fit with TB4, etc.) that make it seem like TB4 was sourced, delivered and injected.

    Assuming that you believe/accept this did happen, do you think the club and the players should get off on a technicality? To draw a long bow, would you be happy if Gillard walks free from the AWU investigation on a technicality?

    I think the Essendon players were stupid, not malicious (Hanlon’s razor), but stupidity and naivety isn’t a valid defence.

  43. Aristogeiton

    MattyB
    #1351271, posted on June 18, 2014 at 11:11 am
    Ignoring the ‘legality’ of the investigation, ASADA’s behaviour, (rightful) hatred of Gillard/Demetriou and the “Blackest Day in Sport”, the AFL’s constant manipulation of the sport to achieve financial bonuses for senior management … do people (i.e. Sinc) think that Essendon’s players were not injected with banned performance enhancing substances?

    We’ve all read enough media reports, spent time on footy forums where many members have close ties with people involved (and inside knowledge). While there is no smoking gun, i.e. a positive blood test, it is common knowledge that there is enough evidence (invoices, delivery dockets, testimony from compounding chemists, dosage plans that specifically fit with TB4, etc.) that make it seem like TB4 was sourced, delivered and injected.

    Assuming that you believe/accept this did happen, do you think the club and the players should get off on a technicality? To draw a long bow, would you be happy if Gillard walks free from the AWU investigation on a technicality?

    I think the Essendon players were stupid, not malicious (Hanlon’s razor), but stupidity and naivety isn’t a valid defence.

    What a dribbling load of hogwash. Another exhibit establishing the need for an absolutely independent judiciary.

  44. MattyB

    My “Court of MattyB’s opinion” is completely independent.

  45. GoTiges

    Well one thing is for certain, there is no evidence of performance enhancing drugs at Richmond.

  46. The Missing Link

    I thought the burden of proof was on the side of ASADA.

    This video referenced a few times on this site Don’t Talk to Police should also be the case for Essendon players in this saga.

    In essence, you have a right not to be a witness against yourself, why would any player explain to ASADA what they did wrong?

    We all have a right to innocent until proven guilty, why give up this right. Let ASADA take each player to court and prove they acted illegally/ criminally.

  47. David

    One particular reason to do so is that WADA norms about strict liability (indeed the rules impose close to absolute liability) are offensive to our common law traditions concerning criminal liability

    Plus one Rafiki. Our common law rights/traditions are being constantly eroded by the reversal of onus of proof in many matters. These are matters we should really be focussing on along with freedom of speech.

  48. Aristogeiton

    David
    #1351306, posted on June 18, 2014 at 11:47 am
    [...]
    Plus one Rafiki. Our common law rights/traditions are being constantly eroded by the reversal of onus of proof in many matters. These are matters we should really be focussing on along with freedom of speech.

    What about the freedom to ply one’s trade as a sportsman and contract as you see fit?

  49. John Comnenus

    If the ASADA claims hold up, then the players can probably sue the Club doctor on informed consent grounds. The players will not have consented if they knew the supplements were banned and the Club doctor issued them. The players would reasonably assume that the supplements were allowed and that would have been the basis of their agreement to take them.

    So Essendon has to defeat the ASADA claim en mass or they will be financially ruined by players claims against the Club.

  50. Megan

    That fat Greek bastard should be hung, drawn and quartered for his role in this alone, never mind his other extremely unpleasant characteristics and behaviour.

    This is why I love you, Rabz. Your wonderful way with words.

  51. rafiki

    Matty B: why do you say the players were “stupid”? The evidence clearly points to their being deceived. There are various reasons why the AFL should reject the ASADA scheme. The major one is that an offence of near absolute liability that results in the destruction of a person’s career is plainly, and egregiously, unjust. This sort of offence is rarely seen in Australian law; in fact, I can’t think of one. The clubs should never have agreed to the scheme. I suppose they did because those who run them are not players (0r, they didn’t read the fine print).
    Aristogeiton: yes, and this right is recognised at common law. I am dealing with rights that the WADA scheme quite explicitly overrides.

  52. rafiki

    John Commens: Essendon has to defeat ASADA before any players are suspended. I have doubts about this ADJR action, for there are many hurdles in the way of success; (I commented on this on a recent post by Sinclair).
    They need to have a plan B. Someone with some media presence (Sinc?) needs to start pushing the line I suggest.

  53. Aristogeiton

    rafiki
    #1351327, posted on June 18, 2014 at 12:14 pm
    [...]
    Aristogeiton: yes, and this right is recognised at common law. I am dealing with rights that the WADA scheme quite explicitly overrides.

    I know. I was just emphatically agreeing with you more broadly :)

  54. goatjam

    It was always political. It was an attempt to distract from a particularly bad phase Gillard was going through.

    I was going to say the same thing.

  55. MattyB

    Rafiki, I say ‘stupid’ because not one player questioned what was going on at their club. These guys are professional athletes, highly tuned human beings, with more than a passing understanding of biology and health as it relates to performance. They would be lectured every year on numerous issues, including illicit and performance enhancing substances and that they are ultimately responsible for everything that goes into their bodies. Jobe Watson stated that the number and frequency of injections he received was greater than he’d ever seen at a footy club.

    Doc Reid has admitted he had massive misgivings about this whole process. Reid is also the family doctor to most of the players. Did none of them have a quiet chat with their own doctor about this?

    I understand how hard it might be for some of the rookies to question the club and it’s programs. But Senior players should have been smarter than this.

  56. Aristogeiton

    MattyB
    #1351351, posted on June 18, 2014 at 12:39 pm
    [...]
    I understand how hard it might be for some of the rookies to question the club and it’s programs. But Senior players should have been smarter than this.

    Good evidence. Let’s deny them their livelihood, even where they have acted lawfully and in line with their contractual arrangements, because you can come along later with some reasons why you are smarter, and besides which you disapprove.

  57. Rohan

    Curiouser and Curiouser, how the hell did the VWA get involved in the middle of all this?. What has this to do with VWA?

    It looks like someone is attempting to discredit the AFL full stop. Despite an investigation to 10 clubs (9 being cleared) no one has found any smoking gun.

  58. John Comnenus

    Rohan,
    It Looks like the ALPFL is determined to get Essendon at any cost.

  59. MattyB

    Aristogeiton, I’m quite certain their contracts would say “don’t use performance enhancing drugs”, or adhere to the WADA Code of Conduct. Is that debatable?

    And considering that Essendon has admitted that it’s players were subjected to a badly managed, systematic, “pharmacological program”, do you want to argue none of that happened?

    Players may have been deceived by Dank and anyone associated with the program, but “my coach gave me something and I don’t know what it is” is not an acceptable excuse, and hasn’t been for years.

  60. Aristogeiton

    MattyB
    #1351433, posted on June 18, 2014 at 1:56 pm
    [...]
    Players may have been deceived by Dank and anyone associated with the program, but “my coach gave me something and I don’t know what it is” is not an acceptable excuse, and hasn’t been for years.

    Lawyer?

  61. do you want to argue none of that happened?

    Why should he? The players don’t have to unless the burden of proof is on them. You’re arguing against common law principles. Demonstrate the unfairness of those principles if you want to go down that path. Good luck with that.

  62. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    This WADA mob is probably the invention of some empire builder co man overseas looking for a cushy well paid job,probably a “progressive” This of course is seized by lefty con men here in Australia as a “career” .
    Surely allegations of this sort are matters for the Police and courts,drug taking and supply is a crime ,is it not ? So asada should take this matter to the Police ,not the corrupt left wing media,it was probably a diversion fron gilliards stuff ups thus the “press coference” ,with all the sports bosses lined up to show how “powerfull” lundy and that dickhead clare were,”Oh look at us. We are so Pure” . Sue the bastards,take their houses and overseas bank accounts,without money the are grains of dust. Shades of ” red underpants ” whatwashis name?

  63. Bill

    Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly is ASADA’s evidence that players took banned drugs?? I have never read what their evidence is – and they have been investigating for over a year.

  64. watching it unfold

    Some info. from a Deakin Researcher (Mr Gosford) in Darwin, assisting Essendon last year. I don’t believe that if you say, “Essendon players have taken a banned substance” enough times, that it makes it the truth – put up or shut up, or bring your evidence but leave the Bombers alone (Peasants with pitch forks). Just one more thing, when does the whole of Australia (especially those journos asking for the brownlow medal to be handed back) apologise to Jobe Watson for the AOD – 9064? (hope that model number is right)? Anyway, see below –

    “Australian law requires that information or opinion, whether true or not, about an individual whose identity is apparent, or can reasonably be ascertained, from that information or opinion, is legally confidential information.

    Thus it may not be divulged by either ASADA or third parties prior to that individual being found to have committed a violation after a hearing or by their own ‘guilty plea’. In simple terms, everything we have read in the media about what players, what James Hird, any other member of the Essendon or Cronulla football departments, or for that matter what Stephen Dank did, is confidential information, protected by Commonwealth law until any cases that might be brought against them are finally determined.

    Pursuant to Commonwealth law whoever it is that is the source of the salacious headlines detailing the – substance is too strong a word – vague and prejudicial assertions made in the media, is liable to two years jail. Equally liable to jail are any third parties who have received the information knowing or ought reasonably to have known that their source was subject to the obligation of confidence established by the ASADA Act”.

  65. John Comnenus

    Aristo,

    That was my point re informed consent. As I understand it a health practitioner is required to get the informed consent of patients when prescribing or giving drugs and treatments etc. If the doctor did not provide the patient, in this case the player, with all the relevant information then the player has never provided informed consent.

    If the player is suspended due to ASADA’s absolute liability then I would imagine that the suspended player would be able to claim damages against the doctor because he never provided informed consent to the treatment. The doctor would also be in serious trouble with AHPRA, the regulator of doctors as well as whatever College he belongs to. This is why I believe Essendon needs to defeat the case en masse. Otherwise the Club might be liable for the lost earnings of all the players suspended for the period of their suspension plus damages due to their reputations.

    This could bankrupt Essendon if they are paying for a whole team that is suspended and has to stump up damages. In my view Essendon is boxed in and they have to fight ASADA tooth and nail or the Club might go under.

    As you asked – do any lawyers have a view?

  66. MattyB

    @Aristogeiton, not a lawyer, just a humble Googler.
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wada+code+of+conduct

    @The Beer Whisperer, the point I was making is that Essendon have accepted the penalty for “the pharmalogical experiement”. And the players have already admitted they were injected with ‘something’ numerous times in the media. The issue is what were the players injected with?

    Since everyone’s an expert, do we at lease agree that the AFL and subsequently the players have agreed to abide by the WADA Code of Conduct? If that’s the case, then …

    Article 3.1 deals with the burdens and standards of proof.

    Article 10.5 “Elimination or Reduction of Period of Ineligibility Based on Exceptional Circumstances” deals with “the coach gave me something and I don’t know what it is” excuse.

    @ Sir Fred Lenin, many of these substances are not illegal, they are just banned for professional athletes.

  67. steve

    mattyb, the players signed consent forms in which they were assured that the peptides were ASADA approved. Even then, senior players went to medical staff for a second opinion. ASADA went after them last year on AOD9604 and now admits it was legal at the time the Essendon players used it, so now they are trying their backup drug. The player contracts have clauses that say that they will do what the club asks, which they did. What else could they have done?
    Above and beyond that, nobody is seriously suggesting that the players did anything wrong, and yet you wish to punish them.
    Patrick Smith and his ugly step sister have become manic in their attempts to tar and feather the club and its coach. This investigation needs to have proof behind it, not weird rumours about open bottles being stolen from the front bench of Mexican clinics and brought home to Australia to be injected into players or comparisons to Lance Armstrong. If the legislation says innocent players need to have their careers jeopardised, then the legislation is just plain wrong.

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