Thursday Thread: June 19, 2014

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  1. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1354048, posted on June 20, 2014 at 6:52 pm
    I’m no expert.

    I demur, Aristogeiton, you are too modest.

    You flatter me with faint praise. Most areas of the law I have to rely on my undergraduate education and my library. There are some extremely smart lawyers out there :)

  2. .

    WHAT ARE THE ORIGINS OF DUE PROCESS?

    Yeesh…

    I feel dirty getting my information solely from wikipedia, but it quotes the source material and is good enough to be authoritative in this instance.

    Lawyers here should study history. (As should I to become less ignorant).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_process#Magna_Carta

    Magna Carta
    In clause 39 of the Magna Carta, John of England promised as follows: “No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land.”[3] Magna Carta itself immediately became part of the “law of the land”, and Clause 61 of that charter authorized an elected body of twenty-five barons to determine by majority vote what redress the King must provide when the King offends “in any respect against any man.”[3] Thus, Magna Carta established the rule of law in England by not only requiring the monarchy to obey the law of the land, but also limiting how the monarchy could change the law of the land. However, in the thirteenth century these provisions may have been referring only to the rights of landowners, and not to ordinary peasantry or villagers.[4]

    Shorter versions of Magna Carta were subsequently issued by British monarchs, and Clause 39 of Magna Carta was renumbered “29.”[5] The phrase due process of law first appeared in a statutory rendition of Magna Carta in A.D. 1354 during the reign of Edward III of England, as follows: “No man of what state or condition he be, shall be put out of his lands or tenements nor taken, nor disinherited, nor put to death, without he be brought to answer by due process of law.”[6]

    In 1608, the English jurist Edward Coke wrote a treatise in which he discussed the meaning of Magna Carta. Coke explained that no man shall be deprived but by legem terrae, the law of the land, “that is, by the common law, statute law, or custom of England…. (that is, to speak it once and for all) by the due course, and process of law..”[7]

    Both the clause in Magna Carta and the later statute of 1354 were again explained in 1704 (during the reign of Queen Anne) by the Queen’s Bench, in the case of Regina v. Paty.[8] In that case, the House of Commons had deprived John Paty and certain other citizens of the right to vote in an election, and had committed them to Newgate Prison merely for the offense of pursuing a legal action in the courts.[9] The Queen’s Bench, in an opinion by Justice Powys, explained the meaning of “due process of law” as follows:

    [I]t is objected, that by Mag. Chart. c. 29, no man ought to be taken or imprisoned, but by the law of the land. But to this I answer, that lex terrae is not confined to the common law, but takes in all the other laws, which are in force in this realm; as the civil and canon law…. By the 28 Ed. 3, c. 3, there the words lex terrae, which are used in Mag. Char. are explained by the words, due process of law; and the meaning of the statute is, that all commitments must be by a legal authority.[8]

    Chief Justice Holt dissented in this case, because he believed that the commitment had not in fact been by a legal authority. The House of Commons had purported to legislate unilaterally, without approval of the House of Lords, ostensibly to regulate the election of its members.[10] Although the Queen’s Bench held that the House of Commons had not infringed or overturned due process, John Paty was ultimately freed by Queen Anne when she prorogued Parliament.

  3. Aristogeiton

    You missed the next bit:

    English law and American law diverge
    Throughout centuries of British history, many laws and treatises asserted various requirements as being part of “due process” or included in the “law of the land”. This view usually held in regards to what was required by existing law, rather than what was intrinsically required by due process itself. As the U.S. Supreme Court has explained, a due process requirement in Britain was not “essential to the idea of due process of law in the prosecution and punishment of crimes, but was only mentioned as an example and illustration of due process of law as it actually existed in cases in which it was customarily used.”

    Ultimately, the scattered references to “due process of law” in English law did not limit the power of the government; about this, American law professor John Orth wrote that “the great phrases failed to retain their vitality.” Orth points out that this is generally attributed to the rise of the doctrine of parliamentary supremacy in the United Kingdom, which was accompanied by hostility towards judicial review as an undemocratic foreign invention.

  4. .

    Unless we’ve repealed it, then it stands as part of the common law doesn’t it? We have both judicial review and supremacy of legislation.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Peter from SA – thanks for the info. I ‘ve bagged a copy. As you say, the first new title in several years. One I do have was written in 1968, and another brief account is dated 1975.

  6. tom

    Elizabeth, you may inform HIA that his defiant pissing showoffery imparted a splendid imaginary tension at the Cat on what I hope is a spiffing Irish early summer morning.

  7. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1354068, posted on June 20, 2014 at 7:15 pm
    Unless we’ve repealed it, then it stands as part of the common law doesn’t it? We have both judicial review and supremacy of legislation.

    This clause was ultimately reflected in spirit in the prerogative writs and the writ of habeas corpus. So to that extent, it represents part of the development of limits on executive action. But you can’t go into an Australian court and plead ‘due process’. You can secure one of the writs, or like judicial review under the various Commonwealth and State statutes.

  8. JC

    Look at him go will you. He almost 80 years old and still threatening useless boards and CEO’s.

    You just gotta love him.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt-us-family-dollar-st-icahn-20140619,0,4213939.story

  9. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Love the travel blog Lizzie … keep ‘em coming.

    Why, thank you, Baldrick.

    I tell Da Hairy Ape, who is nursing his head this morning after a nite on the craic at a little village called Doolin, a trad music haunt of his in the auld days.

    Baldrick doesn’t mind, I say.
    So HIA knives me with: people wit’ different views won’t say anything.
    I take silence as consent, I retaliate.
    Anyway, I only use the spare pixels, I wheedle at him.
    I don’t touch the ones reserved for serious stuff.

    Oh, and it’s good to see the Magna Carta still getting a run on the Cat.
    I did helpfully point out here recently a few of its feminist deficiencies.
    When it comes to King John and his barons, a girl has to speak out a bit.

  10. johanna

    Just as the loathsome and boring Joe Goodacre recedes into the distance, a new Concern Troll segues in.

    Piss off, person with a pretentious ancient Greek name, who is as libertarian as Malcolm Fraser when he is wearing pants.

  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Elizabeth, you may inform HIA that his defiant pissing showoffery imparted a splendid imaginary tension at the Cat on what I hope is a spiffing Irish early summer morning.

    hahahahaha Tom.

    Done.

  12. Aristogeiton

    johanna
    #1354082, posted on June 20, 2014 at 7:32 pm
    Just as the loathsome and boring Joe Goodacre recedes into the distance, a new Concern Troll segues in.

    Piss off, person with a pretentious ancient Greek name, who is as libertarian as Malcolm Fraser when he is wearing pants.

    Um. What the fuck? How am I not a libertarian? I’ve been accused of being an “ivory tower libertarian”, but this is a new one (aside from a lone troll who opined I both a “cultural Marxist” and “Paleoconservative”). I have been the single most vicious critic of Joe Goodacre’s illiberalism here. Are you drunk?

  13. Mike of Marion

    Peter from SA
    #1353987, posted on June 20, 2014 at 5:59 pm
    Henderson also writes on MWD:
    Alas, this stands testimony to the fact that – as a youth – I was more interested in Sabrina than Shakespeare.
    Is this the same Sabrina that IT linked to a while back?

    Even the Goon Show has Sabrina for “culture” in the episode “Tales of Old Dartmoor”. Milligan at his best!!!!

  14. Denise

    Please close your eyes, new threaders. This is for Johanna and Grigory M. Thank you .

    (Denise
    #1353546, posted on June 20, 2014 at 8:13 am

    Grigory M
    #1352781, posted on June 19, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    I’m glad you complained. It’s typical of the MSM to have him on, he’s one of ‘them’.

    Denise – I agree entirely with all you and Johanna have said about Hinn. While channel-flicking this morning, I was surprised to see that he is still on TV here. My reason for commenting about him was because of the “cholesterol is fine, statins are bad” views he and his program guest were promoting.

    Yep. I knew from all your other posts that you weren’t trying to get converts to Benny and Kenny (Copeland). These fellas get people off their meds and then when they get sick it’s secretly off to the most expensive hospitals around.

    But you know, there are so many mugs simply asking to be fleeced. That’s the thing that gets to me. And many churches are guilty of collabarating in this fraud. There was an accountant who after he retired, spent his life debunking these chaps, even wrote a foreword to a book called ‘The confusing world of Benny Hinn’ and the churches banned it and told their congregants not to read it. So they didn’t.

    B00942 – The Confusing World of Benny Hinn – Book …
    http://www.thebereancall.org/content/confusing-world-benny-hinn

    Foreword by Dave Hunt. From the back cover: … “The Confusing World of Benny Hinn stands as the definitive examination of the TV preacher bizarre theology.
    Denise
    #1353551, posted on June 20, 2014 at 8:23 am

    johanna
    #1352789, posted on June 19, 2014 at 5:56 pm

    I’m glad you complained. It’s typical of the MSM to have him on, he’s one of ‘them’.

    Denise, one of the reasons that ACMA let him off the hook was that Benny Hinn’s shows are paid presentations – in other words, just ads by another name. So, they argued, it was not really covered by the rules relating to public broadcasting. This pathetic sophistry in the face of outright fraud and ripping people off made me sick to the stomach. And he is on most days of the week, for half an hour at a time.

    OTOH, a 15 second statement by Alan Jones on the radio is of huge concern, and requiring the imposition of sanctions.

    It is eerily reminiscent of the ABC’s refusal to admit that the Chaser “boys” segment about Mr Kenny was worthy of concern, until they were dragged into court on a hiding to nothing.

    Yes. Absolutely. Must say I’m always agreeably surprised by how much you know about the source of all these symptoms of postmodern decadence. The world needs very badly this sort of contextual commentary which, disappointingly, the Libs aren’t providing. It should be so easy for them to blow Labor out of the water, yet they refrain. ‘There is no discharge in this war…’ is something they don’t seem to realize.)

  15. .

    Carl Icahn

    He’s killin’ it as they might say.

    I hope he rings up those CEOs and calls them “champ”, “champion”, “buddy” etc.

  16. nic

    Thanks Deadman, that’s a classic

  17. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    a spiffing early Irish summer morning

    Couple of years ago, we went to where the Irish side of the family packed up and “followed the gold” to Australia.

    Legend has it that the people of the village where they lived thought that the local landlord had gone to London for “the season.”

    They were happily burning him in effigy on the village green when he galloped through the cheering throng , shouting blanket eviction orders, and that fellow Cats, is how the Irish side of the Two Alpha clan came to Australia. A good sense of timing we have never had.

  18. Peter from SA

    Mike of Marion … did you see THE Sabrina that IT linked too?

    Actually I admit to not knowing who Henderson was referring to, although I’ve now seen it and agree it is very funny, but the idea of him referring to THAT Sabrina … or in fact any excuse to do so … seemed “like a good idea at the time” (your honour).

  19. johanna

    You are a fraud. Every time there is a discussion that goes below the surface, either you are completely wrong or you scurry off to Google, and still often manage to get it wrong.

    There are people here who I genuinely disagree with, and we slug it out. All good, IMO.

    Then there are frauds and Concern Trolls like you. Engaging with you is like stepping in dogshit while wearing trainers.

  20. JC

    Johanna

    Manners and language please. That’s certainly no way for a Cat gal to be behaving.

  21. Mike of Marion

    Pete from SA

    Later, after I posted. I came into the thread where i left off before tea so missed the comprehensive listing of Sabrina.

  22. Mike of Marion

    Lizzie – Ah, Doolin’s pub with all that Irish music – we stayed at a BnB about 4 doors from the pub!!!

  23. JC

    What a bunch of delusional imbeciles. Fuck I despise the arseholes.

    ‘Acrimony, infighting’ caused Labor loss, review of 2013 election campaign finds

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/acrimony-infighting-caused-labor-loss-review-of-2013-election-campaign-finds/story-fn59niix-1226961285097

    Policies were all wonderful of course. Shane Wand lying every year about the state of the budget …it was the infighting. Fucking dickheads.

  24. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    For those who don’t know Skibereen, here is the tale.

    The day is overcast. We are heading north to the land of The Plantation. All through the west of Ireland there are still the roofless little stone cottages, their thatch burnt or disintegrated long ago. Fewer people dwell in Ireland now than in those times, in good quality housing now; but the diaspora is 40 million. Legions of Yanks return to tour. One figure puts 30% of Australians as having Irish heritage. We hear occasional Australian voices, but nothing as compared to the Americans.

  25. twostix

    I have read plenty of books and cases on the subject, which is how I got my graduate and post-graduate qualifications in law.

    Ah.
    A member of the club.

    The reason for the hysterical reaction to the idea of bringing some democratic accountability to the rotten closed off judiciary via elections becomes obvious. In fact, so obvious that I should have seen it immediately.

  26. Grigory M

    No worries, Denise. Probably would have preferred that you did not mention me in the same post as the Dutch/Australian airheaded bint – but, since I did earlier acknowledge her comment to you about the unsavoury Hinn – perhaps I brought it on myself. C’est la guerre ;)

  27. Peter from SA

    What a bunch of delusional imbeciles.

    sometimes i think Troy Bramston is some kind of nerdy plant to legitimise the most crazy of ALP thought bubbles and behaviour … kind of link padding inside an insane assylum so they don’t really do damage to themselves and can just carry on …

  28. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    It’s a good thing that we are now off to the strongholds of the Irish Presbyterians and Methodists.

    Tea and lemonade on the agenda for both of us for a night or two.
    Well, that’s my plan, anyway.

  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    the Dutch/Australian airheaded bint

    Hey, Grigory. I am supposed to be the airhead around here. :)
    Let’s all play nicely now.

  30. calli

    the Dutch/Australian airheaded bint

    Are you alluding to Johanna, Grigory?

  31. .

    Policies were all wonderful of course. Shane Wand lying every year about the state of the budget …it was the infighting. Fucking dickheads.

    Hopefully they’ll keep him in high regard. Bowen is the new village idiot, so the LNP are blessed by the Bourbon like incompetence that is in the ALP DNA.

  32. incoherent rambler

    How am I not a libertarian?

    Not for me to count the ways.
    But a dickhead, yes definitely.

  33. twostix

    It’s going to turn out that Obama created, funded, armed and trained ISIS in the heady days of the Arab Spring.

    JERUSALEM – Members of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.

    All the talk about Iraq, Bush, etc is a stupid red-herring:

    WND further reported that, according to a Shiite source in contact with a high official in the government of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, the Obama administration has been aware for two months that the al-Qaida-inspired group that has taken over two Iraqi cities and now is threatening Baghdad also was training fighters in Turkey.

    The source said that after training in Turkey, thousands of ISIS fighters went to Iraq by way of Syria

    Whose fault is Syria again? I bet Benghazi will tie into as well.

    I suppose we’ll find out in 50 years.

    http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/officials-u-s-trained-isis-at-secret-base-in-jordan/

  34. blogstrop

    Those who are still saying that the LNP deserve to be a one-term government should add the rider that the ALP/Greens deserve to be a never-again-term government.

  35. .

    twostix
    #1354129, posted on June 20, 2014 at 8:01 pm
    It’s going to turn out that Obama created, funded, armed and trained ISIS in the heady days of the Arab Spring.

    Yanks. Please impeach.

  36. .

    blogstrop
    #1354133, posted on June 20, 2014 at 8:04 pm
    Those who are still saying that the LNP deserve to be a one-term government should add the rider that the ALP/Greens deserve to be a never-again-term government.

    Well of course.

    I encourage you all to pledge never to vote for the ALP or Greens ever again.

  37. Grigory M

    Define “alluding to”.

  38. Aristogeiton

    johanna
    #1354094, posted on June 20, 2014 at 7:42 pm
    You are a fraud. Every time there is a discussion that goes below the surface, either you are completely wrong or you scurry off to Google, and still often manage to get it wrong.

    There are people here who I genuinely disagree with, and we slug it out. All good, IMO.

    Then there are frauds and Concern Trolls like you. Engaging with you is like stepping in dogshit while wearing trainers.

    This is just abuse delivered because you don’t like being told you’re wrong. Point out my mistakes or keep quiet. But just saying I’m ‘completely wrong’ or ‘above the surface’ isn’t an objection. It’s a fig-leaf for your butthurt reaction to being disagreed with.

  39. calli

    I’ll make it simple for you…are you calling Johanna a Dutch/Australian airhead bint?

  40. Grigory M

    You read quite well. Comprehension is not bad, too.

  41. Aristogeiton

    incoherent rambler
    #1354128, posted on June 20, 2014 at 8:00 pm
    How am I not a libertarian?

    Not for me to count the ways.

    I’ll say. You support drug prohibition for one.

  42. .

    From 1959

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKd0ToQD00o

    Ayn Rand interviewed by Mike Wallace

    Her responses and narrative have very few if any flaws.

    Rather than having to hold itself up, new history came about and gave empirical evidence to her ideas. We know for example the Great Society programmes did more harm than good.

  43. johanna

    Grigory M
    #1354109, posted on June 20, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    No worries, Denise. Probably would have preferred that you did not mention me in the same post as the Dutch/Australian airheaded bint – but, since I did earlier acknowledge her comment to you about the unsavoury Hinn – perhaps I brought it on myself. C’est la guerre

    Yes, he is calling me a “Dutch/Australian airheaded bint.”

    Sure, I’m Dutch/Australian. Part of my heritage is arguing a point well beyond where others would give up – aka Dutch stubborness. Well, ya get that. But I am Australian in that I love this wide brown land, and have made it my life’s work to understand its history and especially the way that its governance works, and why. And I wouldn’t go back to Europe unless I was handsomely paid for it.

    Draw your own conclusions.

  44. johanna

    Formatting didn’t work, apologies to readers from this airheaded bint.

  45. calli

    You read quite well. Comprehension is not bad, too.

    Damning with faint praise? A simple yes would have done.

  46. Peter from SA

    Ayn Rand interviewed by Mike Wallace

    She did well, dot, as Wallace obviously believed in a mixed economy with a big role for government.

    One of her last comments was: “all depressions are caused by government interference”.

  47. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Dot:

    Yanks. Please impeach.

    no no no No NO NO!

    But were I a Republican senator at his hypothetical impeachment, I’d say.

    “Not so fast, ladies and gentlemen. Not so fast.

    “You’re thinking that based on my past opposition to the president’s policies and my political affiliation that I am certain to cast the convicting vote. But as I look at him now, shrunken, bewildered in the seat, I have to ask myself: who is really guilty of this crime?

    “Is it him, or is it you guys watching this on TV? Who gave this guy Michael Jordan’s jersey, plotted the trajectory of his rise through has-beens and never-been opponents? Who fixed it so he had a book he didn’t write, got advances he didn’t deserve and Nobels he didn’t earn?

    “Who is guilty? Maybe it is the same guys who are counting on me to ditch this man into the briny deep.

    “Perhaps he deserves it. But so do the masterminds, the guys who set him up to take the bullet for the team. Wasn’t the unspoken price for the adulation, the Air Force One rides, the State Dinners the unspoken understanding that if the time came it could all be put on him? The Black Guy. Look into your leftist heart. You know it’s true. Wasn’t that the concession for allowing the rest of you to print the money, make the deals? The fact that one day this moment might come and he’d agree to pay the price from gratitude?

    “And after we get rid of him, after a decent interval, aren’t we’re going to do again? This time with an historic Woman president, Asian president, Gay president? You really need never run out of Jonahs.

    “But you see, I’m not going to vote for conviction. [murmur in the crowd]

    “I vote to let him remain president. I’m going to stick him to you. Vote to let him remain in office knowing full well what a screw up he is. Knowing he’ll screw up again; sink your portfolios, bankrupt your industries, make such a mess of defending this country there’ll be blood in the streets and crowds are going to be looking for the guys who endorsed this man into office. He’s going to bring the whole thing down, and you with it.

    “Because you see he was what he always was. That at least is his excuse. But you knew better, all you people. All you exquisitely educated, creased-pants people. You knew better and put this poor fool in office.

    “I say let it burn.

    “Because that’s the only way this time to bring it home. So that even if this age is ruined, at least succeeding generations of Americans will never forget that ‘If we don’t hang together, by Heavens we shall hang separately’.

    “Ladies and gentleman. You’re not getting rid of Barack Obama that easily. This time there are consequences, not from me, not from the Tea Party but from reality. God exists ladies and gentleman. Or at least Murphy does. Consequences are a b**ch.”

  48. tom

    Seriously, who’s going to be the first state and/or federal arts minister to tell these semi-literate tax thieves they can’t have an endless supply of our money for a jamboree/pissup/wankfest designed to tell us how much they despise us?:

    The Byron Bay Writers Festival will be held at Byron Bay (no less) in Sandalista Country on 1-3 August 2014. Edwina Johnson, the Festival director, recently released the program.

    Clearly Ms Johnson has continued the Australian literary festival tradition whereby the leftist organisers get a bucket load of taxpayers’ funds and invite their leftist ideological besties to a discussion – where everybody agrees with everybody else in a leftist kind of way and a wonderful ideological time is had by all. [Don’t you mean “shared by all” – Ed]

    The Australian contingent at Byron Bay seems to have been chosen from Sandalista Casting. It includes Malcolm (“My memory is notoriously fallible”) Fraser, Julian Burnside QC, Tim Flannery, Mike (“I’ll pour the gin”) Carlton, Mungo MacCallum, Antony Loewenstein, Christopher Warren, Andrew Denton, Frank Moorhouse, Benjamin Law, Bob Brown, Bob Maguire, Hugh Mackay, Mungo MacCallum, Kerry O’Brien and – you’ve guessed it – David Marr.

  49. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Blimey.

    Seeing the punchup above, I am very glad that I am an Imperialist.

    Seems to be an awfully tough gig, this Libertarian stuff.

    :)

  50. Seeing the punchup above, I am very glad that I am an Imperialist.
    Seems to be an awfully tough gig, this Libertarian stuff.

    Been thinking the same thing myself.

  51. Peter from SA

    Mk50: yes, luckily this is online else it would be a simple matter of who had the guns and could use them.

  52. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Peter – that’d be me…

    (We Imperialists are a curmudgeonly lot)

  53. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    #1354195, posted on June 20, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    Dot:

    Yanks. Please impeach.

    no no no No NO NO!

    But were I a Republican senator at his hypothetical impeachment, I’d say.

    Good link, but how much more damage can can preshizzle (Paco[tm]) inflict. Between Ogabe & his mfm enablers i don’t want to think how much damage this pantywaste can do.

  54. johanna

    Cripes, tom, it’s a who’s who of the luvvies, for sure. If anyone has been left off the list, either they have been caught banging an influential person’s spouse, or they were banging/being banged by someone else who had a say.

    Thanks, taxpayers! They can use this opportunity to realign who is banging whom, in luxury surroundings.

    Vale Robert Barrett.

  55. .

    Do you minimise the damage and impeach or damage the next DNC Presidential contender?

  56. .

    It includes Malcolm (“My memory is notoriously fallible”) Fraser, Julian Burnside QC, Tim Flannery, Mike (“I’ll pour the gin”) Carlton, Mungo MacCallum, Antony Loewenstein, Christopher Warren, Andrew Denton, Frank Moorhouse, Benjamin Law, Bob Brown, Bob Maguire, Hugh Mackay, Mungo MacCallum, Kerry O’Brien and – you’ve guessed it – David Marr.

    Wow. Sounds like Halloween.

  57. C.L.

    It’s going to turn out that Obama created, funded, armed and trained ISIS in the heady days of the Arab Spring.

    He also armed Mexico’s drug cartels.

    Oh yeah – he also opened the borders to an invading, diseased army of illegals.

    People used to laugh at the idea that this communist Muslim was actually intent on destroying America. Not too many people laughing now.

  58. .

    Vale Robert Barrett.

    Stopped many a trip to work being utterly dull.

    Never had as much fun or babes as Les Norton doing security though.

  59. Rabz

    Great – I’m in moderation on another thread for a very benign comment – WTF?

  60. Peter from SA

    Rabz I don’t think I create too much trouble here (well, virtually none apart from boring comments when I’m drinking) but recently I mentioned “R**ert Mur**ch” and was in moderation. I will post those words following this and we’ll see …

  61. Peter from SA

    Rupert Murdoch is a top bloke.

  62. JC

    Rabz

    Sinc may be worried you’ll break out into some sort of soccer flip out.

  63. Peter from SA

    hmmm … I was wrong! must have been something else …

  64. C.L.

    Jim Caviezel is a devout Catholic but in this quite incredible oration on God’s love for all, he addresses the congregation of the Rock Church (an evangelical mega church In San Diego). Whether you agree with him or not, this – as I said – is quite incredible. He effortlessly switches to Hebrew for part of it.

    http://www.lifesitenews.com/media/jim-caviezels-message-to-men-and-women-who-have-had-abortions

  65. johanna

    Barrett was possibly the best selling author in Australia until the excreble Bryce Courtney, whose books are like trying to swim through polluted molasses, came on the scene.

    He was never mentioned in literary columns, although his books outsold their favourites by 100-1. Finally, when he was just short of dying, he was invited to the odd literary festival.

    Readers here will no doubt be surprised to hear that he was politically incorrect. Also, he wrote for people who did not have university degrees in literature. The luvvies never got that using plain, simple language to tell a good story is a lot harder than they imagine it to be.

  66. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    How much damage can he do?

    A lot. Which is why bringing on the ‘constitutional reset’ as soon as possible is probably the best choice from a God-awful set of choices.

    There is going to be a seismic crisis in the USA over the issue of ‘does the government work for the people, or do the people work for the government?’. That is as plain as a pikestaff. So the sooner it happens, the less the long term damage is, and the less time the regional hegemons have to expand beyond their spheres.

    If it is delayed too long, the risks of a general war instead of a series of regional wars rise.

    Irrespective of that, we need government here to fix the economy, reduce the debt, build alliances with regional powers, and rearm.

    So I don’t really care much about the fine detail of political compromise. Or what Abbot is or is not doing on trannies being legally encouraged to marry Beluga whales by the human garbage of the left. I just don’t care.

    he is doing what he said he’d do or at least giving it his best shot. We now control our borders again. No boats in 6 months. he’s doing his damnedest to fix the budget the scumvermin and the greenfilth ruined in the teeth of their trying to sabotage the repair work. He’s fixing the submarine mess and the fighter mess he inherited from the scumvermin of the ALP.

    His worst efforts are light-centuries better than Rudd and Gillard’s BEST efforts.

    That should be enough to help us build enough strength to survive what just might come from those darkening clouds encircling the horizon.

    And he sees the clouds and knows what they might just mean.

    The ALP deny those clouds are even there! Instead of ISIS and crisis they see unicorns gambolling in the fairy floss fields and shitting lollipops into the hands of smiling multiculti moppets.

    I have always liked the 80:20 rule, and understood that perfection is the enemy of good enough – and that good enough is how you survive.

  67. Infidel Tiger

    Max Walker, Chopper Read and Barrett would all have sold more books than everyone at that writers festival combined.

  68. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    CL:

    Jim Caviezel…

    Thank you, CL.

  69. johanna

    IT, Barrett alone would have outsold the lot of them. Over 1 million.

  70. C.L.

    Also at LifeSite, an important denunication of gender ideology from Pope Francis, as reported by Austrian Bishop Andreas Laun:

    Writing of gender ideology, Bishop Laun explained that “the core thesis of this sick product of reason is the end result of a radical feminism which the homosexual lobby has made its own.”

    “It asserts that there are not only Man and Woman, but also other ‘genders’. And furthermore: every person can choose his or her gender,” he added.

    “Today,” he said, “it is promoted by governments and VIPs and substantial amounts of money are spent on spreading it, even in teaching materials for kindergartens and schools.”

    For more information on the subject, Bishop Laun encouraged the reading of the latest book by famed German Catholic sociologist Gabriele Kuby, Die globale sexuelle Revolution: Zerstörung der Freiheit im Namen der Freiheit (The Global Sexual Revolution: Destruction of Freedom in the Name of Freedom)…

    “Gender ideology is the deepest rebellion against God that is possible,” Kuby told LifeSiteNews. “Man does not accept that he is created as man or woman, no, he says, ‘I decide! This is my freedom!’ – against experience, against nature, against reason, against science!”

    “It is the ultimate perversion of individualism,” she explained, “It robs man of the last remnant of his identity, that is, to be a man and a woman, after having lost faith and family and nation.”

    “It is indeed diabolical,” she concluded, “that an ideology, which every person can discern as a lie, can capture the common sense of people and become the dominant ideology of our time.”

  71. Pedro the Ignorant

    Jim Caviezel…
    Thank you, CL.

    +1. Outstanding.

  72. C.L.

    D’oh. Correcting those tags.

    I’m bolding the whole thing:

    Writing of gender ideology, Bishop Laun explained that “the core thesis of this sick product of reason is the end result of a radical feminism which the homosexual lobby has made its own.”

    “It asserts that there are not only Man and Woman, but also other ‘genders’. And furthermore: every person can choose his or her gender,” he added.

    “Today,” he said, “it is promoted by governments and VIPs and substantial amounts of money are spent on spreading it, even in teaching materials for kindergartens and schools.”

    For more information on the subject, Bishop Laun encouraged the reading of the latest book by famed German Catholic sociologist Gabriele Kuby, Die globale sexuelle Revolution: Zerstörung der Freiheit im Namen der Freiheit (The Global Sexual Revolution: Destruction of Freedom in the Name of Freedom)…

    “Gender ideology is the deepest rebellion against God that is possible,” Kuby told LifeSiteNews. “Man does not accept that he is created as man or woman, no, he says, ‘I decide! This is my freedom!’ – against experience, against nature, against reason, against science!”

    “It is the ultimate perversion of individualism,” she explained, “It robs man of the last remnant of his identity, that is, to be a man and a woman, after having lost faith and family and nation.”

    “It is indeed diabolical,” she concluded, “that an ideology, which every person can discern as a lie, can capture the common sense of people and become the dominant ideology of our time.”

  73. C.L.

    Well, I thought I bolded the whole thing.

    Anyway, you get the point.

  74. Rabz

    you’ll break out into some sort of soccer flip out

    Sucked in, you z-grade Pommie donkeys! :)

  75. Grigory M

    Jim Caviezel – meh – an actor. He was ok in The Thin Red Line and The Passion of the Christ - very good, I thought, in The Prisoner - only passable in anything else.

  76. Splatacrobat

    C.L.

    #1354226, posted on June 20, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    Great CL. Truly great. Thanks for sharing.

  77. tom

    I feel your pain, IT. What a horrible feetball club.

  78. Infidel Tiger

    We are the best 2 quarter team in the league my friend. Looking for a solid 9th place finish.

  79. boy on a bike

    Peter

    I can highly recommend Japanese Destroyer Captain for an excellent view from the other side of the horizon. It’s available on Kindle.

    He fought in a lot of actions, and said that most of their victories involved screwing up fewer times than the Allies!

  80. Nic

    Barrett was a great writer . Many of them are worth reading again and again

  81. candy

    “Gender ideology is the deepest rebellion against God that is possible,” Kuby told LifeSiteNews. “Man does not accept that he is created as man or woman, no, he says, ‘I decide! This is my freedom!’ –

    C.L. not sure if that quite sits right? I mean murder, and also abuse of children, the innocents. that we see so much of nowadays, seems to me to be a “deeper” rebellion against God.?

  82. Peter from SA

    Thanks Boy on a Bike.

    I don’t know of this in particular but the guy who is credited as ‘author’ (fred saito) was involved in the most famous of all English-language wartime memoirs, that of the great Jap ace Saburo Sakai. Fred Saito was a controversial “co-author” and it has recently been revealed that the English language version involves a lot of dramatisation not in the original Japanese version. The icing on the cake was that Saito was murdered in Japan, apparently, due to an issue unrelated to his literary efforts but you have to wonder!

  83. C.L.

    Not really, Candy.

    All of those things are in the nature of fallen man. They are very great sins, to be sure.

    But gender ideology is about denying the nature of man itself; denying its very quiddity; denying the authorship of life; denying the sovereignty of God.

  84. C.L.

    I cannot believe that a stern young man has given a solemn report about Tim Blair and the Frightbats on ABC 24.

    Oh hang on. Wait. Yes I can.

  85. candy

    But gender ideology is about denying the nature of man itself; denying its very quiddity; denying the authorship of life; denying the sovereignty of God.

    I understand that, C.L. I do.
    It’s just when you hear about abuse and murder of little children, it seems something worse, so more terrible, is all I’m thinking.

  86. Peter from SA

    I cannot believe that a stern young man has given a solemn report about Tim Blair and the Frightbats on ABC 24

    .

    Not possible CL. Our national broadcaster would not waste resources on such frivolous matters. I sleep well in that knowledge. You should not just make up stories.

  87. Infidel Tiger

    I cannot believe that a stern young man has given a solemn report about Tim Blair and the Frightbats on ABC 24.

    Oh hang on. Wait. Yes I can.

    That was hilarious. Tim was just on the Contrarians on Sky laughing about it.

  88. pete m

    Comedians in cars getting coffee season 4 has the first episode up now. Another one comes out Thursdays their time. SJP is the first and pretty good actually. Some great lines in the show about mothers and parents.

  89. stackja

    Andrew Johnson
    With the Assassination of Lincoln, the Presidency fell upon an old-fashioned southern Jacksonian Democrat of pronounced states’ rights views. Although an honest and honorable man, Andrew Johnson was one of the most unfortunate of Presidents. Arrayed against him were the Radical Republicans in Congress, brilliantly led and ruthless in their tactics. Johnson was no match for them.

  90. Aristogeiton

    C.L.
    #1354271, posted on June 20, 2014 at 9:59 pm
    I cannot believe that a stern young man has given a solemn report about Tim Blair and the Frightbats on ABC 24.

    I cannot believe that people give and actual fuck about what is “trending” on twatter, and that I have to pay to produce a program to inform them about it.

  91. kae

    Plenty of people, those who love the ABC as is sings from their hymnbook, think twitter is an important gauge of what the populace thinks.

    Sadly, they’re mistaken.

    I don’t know why I pay for it, either.

  92. .

    Twitchy is all I need to read about twitter.

    LDP Australia is about all I visit on FaceBook.

  93. tom

    Independent ombudsman. Voluntary ABC tax. problem solved.

  94. Rabz

    Application of The Mantra™. Problem solved.

  95. tom

    Application of The Mantra™.

    That, too, Rabzmeister. Any danger you could take off that ridiculous headgear? Every time I start taking you seriously, I break up laughing.

  96. JC

    Interesting theory on the chances for future human civilization. We should hope and pray the Martian rover doesn’t find any evidence of life on Mars, no matter how primitive. The reason is, if it does it may offer a clue that life isn’t rare in the galaxy and that extinctions are common.

    http://aeon.co/magazine/world-views/ross-andersen-human-extinction/

  97. Rabz

    The reason is, if it does it may offer a clue that life isn’t rare in the galaxy and that extinctions are common.

    You’re beginning to sound like Bob Brown!

  98. Armadillo

    Max Walker, Chopper Read and Barrett would all have sold more books than everyone at that writers festival combined.

    It’s a bit embarrassing, but I spewed in my own mouth when I went to the newsagent this morning. On the front page of the local rag “The Northern Daily Leader” (owned by Fairfax) was ‘Onion Head’. I never buy the NDL, but curiosity got a Cat. So I googled it for free. Windsor is launching a book.

    A revealing, in-depth look at the life of Tony Windsor, one of the most a widely admired, straight-talking and honourable men in Australian politics.

    http://www.bookdepository.com/Tony-Windsor-Ruth-Rae/9781743319253

    Apparently he’s titled it “The House of Windsor”. Arrogant prick.

  99. JC

    You’re beginning to sound like Bob Brown!

    Promise that if I ever do, you have to euthanize me. Promise!

    The piece isn’t suggesting some gerbil warming bullshit, but that we may not have surmounted the last of the potential extinction hurdles.

    One the fuckers the writer talks to in the piece thinks that only real problem we have is AI. It’s not in our lifetimes though, so relax.

  100. nerblnob

    Malcolm (“My memory is notoriously fallible”) Fraser, Julian Burnside QC, Tim Flannery, Mike (“I’ll pour the gin”) Carlton, Mungo MacCallum, Antony Loewenstein, Christopher Warren, Andrew Denton, Frank Moorhouse, Benjamin Law, Bob Brown, Bob Maguire, Hugh Mackay, Mungo MacCallum, Kerry O’Brien and – you’ve guessed it – David Marr

    Awful lot of middle-aged white males there, no?
    Summon the frightbats!

  101. cohenite

    The Australian contingent at Byron Bay seems to have been chosen from Sandalista Casting. It includes Malcolm (“My memory is notoriously fallible”) Fraser, Julian Burnside QC, Tim Flannery, Mike (“I’ll pour the gin”) Carlton, Mungo MacCallum, Antony Loewenstein, Christopher Warren, Andrew Denton, Frank Moorhouse, Benjamin Law, Bob Brown, Bob Maguire, Hugh Mackay, Mungo MacCallum, Kerry O’Brien and – you’ve guessed it – David Marr.

    Seriously, every one a beta male; names missing include Fitzsimmons, that towering monument to rugby incompetence and all round vacuous arrogance and the chinless, earless prick Jones.

  102. C.L.

    A revealing, in-depth look at the life of Tony Windsor, one of the most widely admired, straight-talking and honourable men in Australian politics.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

  103. johanna

    The late Robert G Barrett’s toenail clippings would generate more interest and value on e-bay than Windsor’s witterings.

  104. Grigory M

    Oh, and Grigory, the set top box program would be under the communications power (see my comment above.) As usual, your mouth gallops off long before your brain is in gear. But you just couldn’t resist the chance to go “nyah, nyah, nyah” about something you said (which everyone has forgotten) months ago, right?

    Nobody cares.

    So, Barista – you still around? Just reminding you that you started it. You didn’t need to say the above – but since you did …

  105. johanna

    Whew, somebody just farted. I’m off to where the air is fresher. ‘night all.

  106. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    one of the most widely admired, straight talking and honorable men in Australian politics

    First I knew there were two Tony Windsors in Australian politics…..

  107. Grigory M

    No prize for second, Dutchie – a fox smells its own smell first.

  108. While we’re all talkin’ books ‘n’ stuff. Comparing Courntenay ‘n’ Elton & so on. Then panting to get to Amazon to order books about Japanese warship skippers, etc. Time for me to trot out:

    J.E. MacDonnell :)

  109. Armadillo

    I suspect that Windsor has only released his intentions to ‘Rural Media’ at this stage to gauge the mood (the bastard wouldn’t even stand for re-election, knowing the flogging he was going to get). This article has got 1 comment so far – http://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/2364297/house-of-windsor-tonys-tome-traces-turbulent-times/?cs=159

    Note the advertisement on the RHS – “Mining is hiring again” – Irony writ large.

    Warning: I wouldn’t comment there. The arsehole is probably after as much publicity as he can get. He would love nothing more than to be put in the “spot light” again. A twitter/internet fight would be a gift to him.

  110. candy

    The whole gillard/oakeshott/windsor/brown story seems really boring now.

  111. JC

    Malcolm (“My memory is notoriously fallible”) Fraser, Julian Burnside QC, Tim Flannery, Mike (“I’ll pour the gin”) Carlton, Mungo MacCallum, Antony Loewenstein, Christopher Warren, Andrew Denton, Frank Moorhouse, Benjamin Law, Bob Brown, Bob Maguire, Hugh Mackay, Mungo MacCallum, Kerry O’Brien and – you’ve guessed it – David Marr

    Can you imagine listening to this gaggle of imbeciles. How the fuck did Loewenstein get a gig? What’s he ever done other than becoming Tim Blair’s little bitch. (Blair was merciless)

  112. Fisky

    I was responding to what Fisky said about ‘due process’, international law, international relations and the High Court. You have already conceded that he was incorrect in these assertions. I’m not going to get into another argument with you about the meaning of ‘due process’. I don’t use the term myself, it’s not really a domestic legal conception, and I don’t think highly of you or your opinions.

    If it’s not a relevant to domestic law as you say, then the entire discussion relating to asylum seekers is off topic as we are not required to consider due process. The real question is therefore whether the rule of law has been upheld, and the High Court’s position is an emphatic “Yes!”. The government has acted within the law.

  113. Armadillo

    The whole gillard/oakeshott/windsor/brown story seems really boring now.

    “Rags to Riches” tales are usually inspirational. Show some interest Candy. Which of the above are not like the others?

  114. Steve of Glasshouse

    Malcolm (“My memory is notoriously fallible”) Fraser, Julian Burnside QC, Tim Flannery, Mike (“I’ll pour the gin”) Carlton, Mungo MacCallum, Antony Loewenstein, Christopher Warren, Andrew Denton, Frank Moorhouse, Benjamin Law, Bob Brown, Bob Maguire, Hugh Mackay, Mungo MacCallum, Kerry O’Brien and – you’ve guessed it – David Marr

    Hope they all enjoy the Byron Bay traffic jam. That joint’s ” happening scene” is seriously over rated imo

  115. Fisky

    Malcolm (“My memory is notoriously fallible”) Fraser, Julian Burnside QC, Tim Flannery, Mike (“I’ll pour the gin”) Carlton, Mungo MacCallum, Antony Loewenstein, Christopher Warren, Andrew Denton, Frank Moorhouse, Benjamin Law, Bob Brown, Bob Maguire, Hugh Mackay, Mungo MacCallum, Kerry O’Brien and – you’ve guessed it – David Marr

    That was basically Australia’s ruling class from 2007-2013. They still control the country via the Senate until July 1.

  116. Fisky

    How much damage can he do?

    I think he’s going to inflict unprecedent evil in his last 2 months particularly. It’s only going to escalate, and a lot of people are going to get killed in all kinds of surprising places.

  117. Fisky

    unprecedent – unprecedented

  118. candy

    Which of the above are not like the others?

    You’re puzzling me up, Armadillo. :)

  119. Fisky

    People used to laugh at the idea that this communist Muslim was actually intent on destroying America. Not too many people laughing now.

    I thought that Dinesh D’Souza’s film while correct in a lot of facts was a little hyperbolic in terms of narrative. I’m beginning to wonder if D’Souza was understating his case. Really, really scary shit going on.

  120. Peter from SA

    A revealing, in-depth look at the life of Tony Windsor, one of the most widely admired, straight-talking and honourable men in Australian politics.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    I can only add; ha ha ha ha etc (can’t do better … off to sleep)

  121. Fisky

    It’s pretty easy to see how the Leftist Establishment will spin the Obama debacle. They’ll do the switcheroo with Hillary and she’ll make the case that “I warned you about his radicalism, after all it was my campaign that leaked the Reverend Wright stuff before the Republicans even saw it!”

    She’ll play up the white working class angle, and the sheep’ll vote for her out of “relief” as if there was any real difference between her and Obama. The media will hit the reset button and airbrush Obama from history, oh, and also try to engineer another “Historic!!!!” election with the “First woman President EVA!”.

    The Republicans have got to find a way to tie Hillary to Obama and not ever let the Clintons try to shuffle out of this.

  122. Beef

    The whole gillard/oakeshott/windsor/brown story seems really boring now.

    I blame Rudd Candy, the precedent has been set. The ALP has done its obligatory investigation scapegoating. Everything to do with any of it during the 6 year clusterflick is hence forth, and forevermore, able to be sheeted home to the narcissistic nerd, even your boredom.

  123. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1354350, posted on June 20, 2014 at 11:11 pm
    I was responding to what Fisky said about ‘due process’, international law, international relations and the High Court. You have already conceded that he was incorrect in these assertions. I’m not going to get into another argument with you about the meaning of ‘due process’. I don’t use the term myself, it’s not really a domestic legal conception, and I don’t think highly of you or your opinions.

    If it’s not a relevant to domestic law as you say, then the entire discussion relating to asylum seekers is off topic as we are not required to consider due process. The real question is therefore whether the rule of law has been upheld, and the High Court’s position is an emphatic “Yes!”. The government has acted within the law.

    I’m going to follow Dot’s lead and quote some Wikipedia here:

    Due process is not used in contemporary English law, though two similar concepts are natural justice (which generally applies only to decisions of administrative agencies and some types of private bodies like trade unions) and the British constitutional concept of the rule of law as articulated by A. V. Dicey and others. However, neither concept lines up perfectly with the American theory of due process, which, as explained below, presently contains many implied rights not found in the ancient or modern concepts of due process in England.

    Let’s not change the subject here. You were making all kinds of statements about ‘due process’ which were absurd. Don’t give me some leftie, misdirecting bullshit about what the ‘real question’ is. The question is whether what you were then saying about due process was in any way coherent or correct? It was not. End.

  124. MsDolittle

    Hope they all enjoy the Byron Bay traffic jam. That joint’s ” happening scene” is seriously over rated imo.

    I find myself about 8 minutes from Byron tonight. I will be doing reconnaissance tomorrow and will update you. I hear it is a little over loved, still a nice change from Melbourne though my fellow passengers seemed rather down at heel. I can’t believed I lived in Yamba for 3 years and never bothered to visit “Byron” . Always seemed a bit too cool for school to me.

  125. JC

    The Republicans have got to find a way to tie Hillary to Obama and not ever let the Clintons try to shuffle out of this.

    How? They can’t, as she was the front runner beaten by the Kenyan, because Florida and Michigan primaries going to Hillary were disallowed, which gave the Kenyan the win.

  126. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    J.E. MacDonnell

    Curse you, Steve at the Pub. I remember Captain “Dutchy” Holland, and Jim Brady, who went from Able Seamen to Captain.

    Read under the blankets, at boarding school, with a torch.

    Those novels almost made me decide to join the Navy – mind you, with recent disclosures from HMAS Leuwin, not deciding to do so, may have been a wise decision.

  127. Driftforge

    have, some years ago, identified the process by which left-leaning institutions die. Someone had asked me why an sf editor I will not name, having killed three magazines, got given yet another to kill, and why each magazine was successively more leftist. This was compared to the process by which news magazines and media when in trouble because too leftist for the general public, go hard left just before they die. (Also known as the left-leaning-death-roll.)

    Sarah Hoyt

  128. Fisky

    Let’s not change the subject here. You were making all kinds of statements about ‘due process’ which were absurd. Don’t give me some leftie, misdirecting bullshit about what the ‘real question’ is. The question is whether what you were then saying about due process was in any way coherent or correct? It was not. End.

    There is no misdirection at all. Dot was the one who claimed that Australia was violating due process, and you rebutted him by stating that due process was not relevant to the consideration. The question is therefore whether the government is breaking the law, and the answer is no, according to the High Court.

    Now, you are saying that there are similar concepts in Australian law that exist under different labels, but again, that doesn’t help any position other than the government’s, because the High Court would have thrown out any policy that violated the Constitution or an Act of Parliament. That’s all, folks.

  129. JC

    Forget that it’s gone down 10% today due to earnings, but which stock has had 36% annual compounded rate of return since the depths of the GFC in 2008?

    Yep, you guessed right. Smith & Wessie.

    Not for nothing, but the Kenyan has been absolutely fantastic for gun sales in the US during his presidency. In fact you could call it a boom.

  130. Cold-Hands

    The whole gillard/oakeshott/windsor/brown story seems really boring now.

    All the more reason NOT to buy any of their forthcoming books. They’ve all raped and pillaged the public purse already; no need to contribute to their retirement (and/or legal defence) funds.

  131. Infidel Tiger

    The Republicans have got to find a way to tie Hillary to Obama and not ever let the Clintons try to shuffle out of this.

    All they need to so is remind people they are voting for Hillary, not Bill.

    Despite probably being a rapist, America loves Bill. They can’t stand that ghastly woman who was always cramping his style.

    Maybe Michelle O will run against her.

  132. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1354383, posted on June 20, 2014 at 11:47 pm
    [...]

    There is no misdirection at all.
    [... Bloviating misdirection ...]

    Ok, then explain to me how ‘due process’ is offended by our diplomatic relationship with China being altered, or how a High Court decision upon the validity of a law is determinative of its compliance with ‘due process’. Can’t? No. Because both ideas are bullshit. Which is what I pointed out. No more than that. Please try to keep track of your own nonsense.

  133. Oh come on

    Yanks. Please impeach.

    Not a chance. Obama has Biden Inc comprehensive impeachment insurance.

  134. JC

    Sturm, Ruger & Company traded a low of 8 bucks in 2008. It got to high of 80 a little while ago and now trades around 60.

    At the high it had an annualized compound return of almost 40% in 7 years. Americans are buy freaking guns by the bucket load. In fact every time the Kenyan opens his trap about gun control the public goes out and buys more guns. It kinda reminds me a little like the plain packaging failure.

    In fact Smith & Wessie guided earnings lower possibly because Americans have bought so many guns the boom is tailing off a bit, like our commodity boom.

    I heard the name, but didn’t know much about Rugers until now. I kinda like this model handgun. Looks like it would have a nice feel to it when holding. It’s a really nice looking gun, I reckon.
    http://www.ruger.com/products/sr1911/models.html

  135. dot, if you recall our discussion about the dereliction of duty of State A-Gs who refused to defend state laws or constitutional amendments about marriage, please watch this video from Heritage Foundation. I stand vindicated.

  136. Matthew

    aside from a lone troll who opined I both a “cultural Marxist” and “Paleoconservative”

    I called you a cultural marxist, and that you are, and the person that called you a paleoconservative is a different person altogether. I would never mistake you for a paleoconservative.

  137. JC

    Ruger seems to sensitive too, as it caters to the handicapped. They produce left handed models.

  138. Gab

    paleoconservative

    Is that a conservative who is on the Paleo diet?

  139. Aristogeiton

    Gab
    #1354407, posted on June 21, 2014 at 12:09 am
    paleoconservative

    Is that a conservative who is on the Paleo diet?

    I’d actually never heard of it before.

  140. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1354404, posted on June 21, 2014 at 12:07 am
    [...]
    I called you a cultural marxist, and that you are, and the person that called you a paleoconservative is a different person altogether. I would never mistake you for a paleoconservative.

    Right. Because I’m always talking about ‘power relations’ and criticising capitalism. You stupid fuck.

  141. Fisky

    Ok, then explain to me how ‘due process’ is offended by our diplomatic relationship with China being altered, or how a High Court decision upon the validity of a law is determinative of its compliance with ‘due process’. Can’t? No. Because both ideas are bullshit. Which is what I pointed out. No more than that. Please try to keep track of your own nonsense.

    It doesn’t matter. The substantive point, which you evidently agree with entirely, is that the government has upheld the law, irrespective of what you want to call it. Anything else to that point is purely auxiliary. You endorse the government’s legal position 100% (but won’t admit it for some reason).

  142. Matthew

    Due process? Due process the process by which the police and judiciary deal with people suspected of crimes.

    When it comes to illegal immigration the only questions is: Do the illegal immigrants have a positive right to live in Australia? The answer is no. Are the illegal immigrants going to be punished for their attempted illegal immigration? The answer to that is no also.

    Due process is non-applicable. Only legislation and government policy applies to illegal immigration.

  143. Matthew

    Right. Because I’m always talking about ‘power relations’ and criticising capitalism.

    No. It is because you are calling everyone that disagrees with you “white supremacists” without even knowing if they are white or not (as if it even matters).

    You stupid fuck.

    Very insecure.

  144. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1354417, posted on June 21, 2014 at 12:15 am
    [...]
    It doesn’t matter. The substantive point, which you evidently agree with entirely, is that the government has upheld the law, irrespective of what you want to call it. Anything else to that point is purely auxiliary. You endorse the government’s legal position 100% (but won’t admit it for some reason).

    The ‘real question’ becomes the ‘question’ which becomes the ‘substantive point’. What you said, and whether my criticism was correct, is ‘auxiliary’ or ‘doesn’t matter’. Because you said so. Flawless argumentation.

    But I will be distracted on the ‘rule of law’ issue momentarily.

    “The characteristics of the [rule of law] enunciated by Dicey have often been criticized, and the trend of legislation has weakened their force.”
    (Anson’s Law and Custom of the Constitution, 4th ed, Vol. II, Pt. I, p. 296)

    Legislation, even valid legislation, is not necessarily consistent with the rule of law. It is not the case that just because the High Court upholds the validity of a certain piece of legislation that it does not offend the idea of the rule of law. (I’m not going to discuss here the broad and open controversy about the meaning and content of the rule of law).

    But all this is a distraction. What you said about ‘due process’ was utter bullshit. I don’t want to derail this thread any more with pointless controversy.

  145. Aristogeiton

    Matthew
    #1354421, posted on June 21, 2014 at 12:20 am
    Right. Because I’m always talking about ‘power relations’ and criticising capitalism.

    No. It is because you are calling everyone that disagrees with you “white supremacists” without even knowing if they are white or not (as if it even matters).

    The only person I ever thought was a “white supremacist” was “Nicholas E”, who admits to being one. I have never called you a white supremacist. You’re a fucking liar. Unless you can pony up a link to such a comment (which I know you can’t) then take your lies and fuck off. You had thousands of comments on the LDP Immigration thread to prosecute your case. It’s over. Stop polluting this thread with the same lies and nonsense.

  146. Fisky

    The ‘real question’ becomes the ‘question’ which becomes the ‘substantive point’. What you said, and whether my criticism was correct, is ‘auxiliary’ or ‘doesn’t matter’. Because you said so. Flawless argumentation.

    No, not simply because I said so, but because it produces the correct answer and the correct outcome irrespective of whether the subordinate details are accurate. That’s a sound methodology. The opposite of this is, to take one obvious example, the LDP’s policy on China which is blissfully unaware that the most important feature of relations with China is upholding the One China Policy.

    Legislation, even valid legislation, is not necessarily consistent with the rule of law. It is not the case that just because the High Court upholds the validity of a certain piece of legislation that it does not offend the idea of the rule of law. (I’m not going to discuss here the broad and open controversy about the meaning and content of the rule of law).

    OK, so did the High Court uphold the rule of law or not? Your the constitutional lawyer.

  147. JC

    Just as I thought, Wessie is reporting that Americans have bought so many guns, they literally don’t need any more.

    NEW YORK — Smith & Wesson posted disappointing earnings and a weak forecast for one simple reason: Americans are buying fewer guns.

    Shares of the gun-maker plunged 12 percent in premarket trading Friday as it dawned on investors that the once high-flying gun industry is coming down to earth.

    The gun industry has experienced an intense run-up in demand over the last couple years, fueled by concerns of more rigorous gun restrictions in the wake of President Barack Obama’s re-election and a series of mass shootings including the Sandy Hook massacre in Newtown, Conn.Gun enthusiasts stockpiled the military-style semiautomatic rifles that are often referred to as assault rifles, exhausting the supply and driving up the prices. But Obama failed to get a bill through Congress that would have placed restrictions on these guns, alleviating concerns that they would be hard to come by.

    But there are still signs of growth. Smith & Wesson recently reported a hefty increase in handgun sales, buoyed by growing consumer interest in self-defense and concealed carry.

    “Compact guns and polymer guns are selling really well,” said Brian Ruttenbur, gun analyst for CRT Capital. “They are ramping up production dramatically.”

    Ruttenbur said that Smith & Wesson’s latest line of M&P compact pistols is so popular that supply is running thin.

    “You can’t find an M&P gun on the shelf,” he said. “This is their competitor to Glock.”

    For the fourth quarter, Smith & Wesson reported a decline in net sales of more than 4 percent to $170 million and a 13 percent drop in income from continuing operations to about $25 million.

    Company executives preferred to emphasize record sales of $626 million for the fiscal year, up 6 percent from the prior year

    Say the average price for a gun is around 200 bucks wholesale, that means they sold 3 million guns for the year. Good work by the administration.

    I actually reckon the Kenyan is a secret gun enthusiast, which is why he’s talks about gun control. Every time he talks about it, guns sales spike.

  148. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1354433, posted on June 21, 2014 at 12:55 am
    [...]
    No, not simply because I said so, but because it produces the correct answer and the correct outcome irrespective of whether the subordinate details are accurate. That’s a sound methodology. The opposite of this is, to take one obvious example, the LDP’s policy on China which is blissfully unaware that the most important feature of relations with China is upholding the One China Policy.

    Here’s the thing. When I say ‘x and y are bullshit’, and you say ‘but what is really important is z’, it doesn’t make x and y any more valid. Your ‘methodology’ is sophistry. It is called ‘shifting the goalposts’.

    OK, so did the High Court uphold the rule of law or not? You’re the constitutional lawyer.

    I’m not a constitutional lawyer. And the question is irrelevant and would generate reams of meaningless discussion.

  149. JC

    Wodge Watch

    Wodge posted what he thinks is my name in a comment on another blog, so horse for courses I say. Quodge’s real name, according to the idiot’s gravatar is Roger Farquhar and his linkedin page says he was both a former gardener and financial planner. Personally, just personally, I’d hire him as a gardener but not as a financial planner in any possible way.

  150. Fisky

    Here’s the thing. When I say ‘x and y are bullshit’, and you say ‘but what is really important is z’, it doesn’t make x and y any more valid. Your ‘methodology’ is sophistry. It is called ‘shifting the goalposts’.

    No, it’s not sophistry at all. Understanding what are the key questions and getting them right is rather important, as it has real world consequences. The Reagan administration is the best example of this. The Rudd/Gillard disaster is a case study in getting the key questions wrong and forfeiting their legacy as a result.

  151. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1354453, posted on June 21, 2014 at 1:13 am
    Want a good example of getting a key issue wrong? Try this:

    http://www.chifley.org.au/how-williams-no-2-could-hurt-progressives/

    Sorry. I’m not reading that socialist dross on principle :)

  152. Denise

    Grigory M
    #1354109, posted on June 20, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    No worries, Denise. Probably would have preferred that you did not mention me in the same post as the Dutch/Australian airheaded bint – but, since I did earlier acknowledge her comment to you about the unsavoury Hinn – perhaps I brought it on myself. C’est la guerre ;)

    Hey! Include me out… Prov 26:17 He who passes by and meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a dog by the ears. (NKJ) .

    Link by Dot on Benny Hinn a classic. Bet he’s got his whole congregation praying curses on the fellow that made that hilarious video. As any witchdoctor worth his salt would.

  153. kae

    Just buzzing around thismorning and Studio 10 is being rerun on 10.

    Natarsha Belling seems to be anti Nanny State. They’re talking about taxing soft drinks.

    Joe wants a tax on soft drink rather than lower pensions, etc.

    Belling says an increase in price won’t stop people buying them.

    The blonde bimbo said that taxing smokes has stopped people from smoking.

  154. cohenite

    I must say Aristogeiton has a very Foucaultian approach to legal matters. Or should that be non-Foucaultian? Regardless he is right and you’re not.

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