Open Forum: June 21, 2014

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  1. Ellen of Tasmania

    Free will could be the result of ‘background noise’ in the brain, study suggests

    So. … no one can be held responsible for their actions anymore. ‘It was the background noise, your Honour.’

    My husband once had a conversation with someone who held that view. He suggested that if he threw a bucket of boiling water over the gentleman, said gentleman couldn’t really hold him accountable for the action. The man replied that, no, he couldn’t, but that ‘bags of chemicals’ that behaved that way would have to be destroyed or locked away so they couldn’t inflict harm. The decision, of course, would be made by other irresponsible ‘bags of chemicals’.

    What. A. World.

  2. Token

    COMPO CALIPHATE by Tim Blair.

    Blair’s 2 columns today are masterpieces.

    I wish that the wry humour he dishes could be a learned skilled. He really did Rope-a-Dope the Twits last week.

  3. Token

    “That story won’t hold up,” Bill said. “I know,” Hillary said. “I told the president that.” “It’s an impossible story,” Bill said. “I can’t believe the president is claiming it wasn’t terrorism. Then again, maybe I can. It looks like Obama isn’t going to allow anyone to say that terrorism has occurred on his watch.”

    It is amazing to say this, but I can believe that Bill Clinton saying this.

    He would not gamble his career that the media lick-spittles would cover up the murder of an American ambassador & 3 staff while the president (during an election campaign) did nothing.

  4. Andrew

    The lesson here, is if you are a big company, don’t sponsor anything. Seriously, you would think opera was safe but anything you touch can turn negative these days. Car companies should just focus on their product.

    On the contrary, they only do it FOR opportunities like this. You think they actually think “People going to the opera will decide to buy a Mazda on their way home”? Au contraire – they sponsor so that when one of the singers goes rogue and objects to a gay pride march through an Orthodox church, they can very publicly and with much show cut her / the show loose as a demonstration of solidarity with Teh Ghey.

  5. Token

    Helen Dale in The Aussie.

    Can someone tell me why after 20 years anyone should care about that story?

    The nub of it seems to be a lefty cons a gaggle of government funded lefties by fabricating a story which panders to their biases. The only surprise in this story is not that she got caught, rather she suffered consequences.

    One wishes the whole glow-ball warming cult would suffer similar consequences.

  6. feelthebern

    Instead of the IRS being ashamed of their behavior being outed last week (drives lost, wiped), they seem to have been empowered.

    The IRS has always been stacked full of arse holes.
    But now, its 100% lefty arse holes.

    Imagine the MSM outrage if only environmental NFP’s were given the 3rd degree.

  7. John Comnenus

    I spoke to a medical negligence lawyer today (already you say). My suspicion about informed consent is correct. If the players get suspended Essendon will be liable for all damages, including loss of income, future earnings and reputational damages to the players. The doctors will also probably de-registered unless they explicitly told the players that the supplements that they were administering were banned and would lead to the players suspension if caught. It doesn’t matter what else the players signed, the doctor needed to very clearly tell the player all the consequences of the supplements they administered and that the players were consenting to take.

    It seems highly unlikely that Essendon, their lawyers, medical staff, every player and their managers would be this reckless. Interestingly WADA is now in preemptive damage control. Essendon might well destroy the whole world doping regime and it’s unreasonable strict liability clauses. Either that or WADA has concluded that ASADA’s claims, its investigations or techniques are going to fail.

    If the players did take banned substances the damages will probably bankrupt the club. If they didn’t it will probably lead to massive damages against ASADA. My money is on the tax payer being held liable for ASADAs bullying. Standby for an independent investigation into ASADA and mass resignations, sackings and a total shake up of its role and powers.

    The court cases will be spectacular and hopefully lead to Demetriou being charged by the AFL with bringing the game into disrepute. The Court cases are also likely to expose any political pressure brought to bear on the investigation. A whole bunch of people are going to lose their jobs over this and it seems unlikely it will be the players. The AFL has stuffed this up enormously.

  8. Helen

    Try finding a Western Brown – highly poisonous – in your kitchen someday.

    Haha, that reminds me, my dog of the time was giving her ‘snake here’ bark, which of course was different from all her other barks. On inspection all I could see was one cupboard door ever so slightly ajar. Captain, I said, I reckon we have a snake in the kitchen corner cupboard. Cupboard is low, with a folding door, so there is lots of area that is hard to reach inside. (Lucky it wasn’t the other one which has one of those turnaround shelves in it , impossible to get snake with out dismantling the whole thing). Anyway, removed pots, bowls strainers, colanders, travel cups, thermoses, – it was that kind of cupboard,- but how to actually get the snake? There is no room for movement, and we are on our knees, so Captain holds it with the end of the broom handle and I, well I play chopsticks with my meat cleaver.

    I reckon you can stop now, said Captain, he is dead for sure. I did take a little time for the suggestion to sink in. And he was dead, nicely chopped up in the last few inches of his neck and head. End of brown snake.

  9. John Comnenus

    If Gillard and the ALP did push ASADA to go after Essendon for political gain it might just save Abbott.

  10. Geriatric Mayfly

    Several times in my career, during which I was visited with back problems, I was told to find myself “A TAME doctor.” Such ‘professionals’ must exist given the number of slackers rorting the system. A few weeks ago my wog back caught up with me, and major surgery ensued. I had accumulated 320 sick days in my career, not one of them any bloody use to me now.

  11. Kae

    I missed Bunyip?

    Oh noes!

  12. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    probably apocryphal, but a good yarn:

    In 2006, a report published in concluded — ridiculously — that productivity losses cost U.S. employers more than half a trillion dollars — $544,000,000,000, to be a little more precise. The report found that in an eight-hour day, employers spent an average of 1.86 hours “on something other than their jobs, not including lunch and scheduled breaks.” And of those surveyed, 52% “admitted that their biggest distraction during work hours [was] surfing the Internet for personal use.”

    The data is garbage, of course; the idea that employees should be always-on and that anything less than that is going to result in productivity losses isn’t based in science or reality. But every once in a while, there’s an example of an employee who goes to the extreme, not doing much work and perhaps none at all. Take, for example, the story of a former software developer identified by the press only as Bob. Bob’s schedule — determined by a retrospective look at his Internet browsing history — consisted of the following (as relayed by NPR):

    9:00 a.m. – Arrive and surf Reddit for a couple of hours. Watch cat videos
    11:30 a.m. – Take lunch
    1:00 p.m. – Ebay time.
    2:00 – ish p.m Facebook updates – LinkedIn
    4:30 p.m. – End of day update e-mail to management.
    5:00 p.m. – Go home
    Curiously missing? Work. Apparently, Bob didn’t do any.

    That didn’t match up with Bob’s output, though. As TheNextWeb reported, Bob “apparently received excellent performance reviews, even being hailed the best developer in the building: his code was clean, well-written, and submitted in a timely fashion.” He was, somehow, producing great work without actually working. Bob’s employer didn’t seem to notice that he wasn’t doing any work, because from the corporation’s vantage point, he was productive.

    But Bob’s employer did notice something else. Weird computer traffic was coming into the company’s servers through Bob’s remote login credentials, and importantly, the traffic seemed to be coming from China. To make matters even stranger, the Chinese connection via Bob’s remote connection was active while Bob was sitting in the office. Baffled — why would Bob be logging in remotely, and from China, while he was right in front of them? — the company contacted Verizon, its telecom services provider, and asked them to investigate.

    Verizon got to work and came to the root of the problem. While Bob’s employer had assumed that some odd sort of malware had infected their systems, that wasn’t the case. Verizon determined that the problem was Bob himself — and it explained how a guy with great performance reviews matched up with that schedule of cat videos and shopping on eBay.

    Bob had outsourced his own work to China.

    The plan was pretty simple: Bob had hired a consulting firm in China, sent the consultants the work assigned to him, and then got out of the way, collecting paychecks the whole time. The Chinese workers did the rest — including returning the completed code to Bob’s employer’s servers. (Bob could have masked the scam a while longer if he had done the check-in work.) Verizon concluded that Bob had most likely been doing this for a few years, taking about a quarter of his pay and using it to buy the services of lower-cost providers overseas. Bob was fired, of course — the employer was working on developing software for the U.S. government and outsourcing that to China isn’t acceptable — but Bob probably laughed all the way to the bank. According to the Verizon security team, this wasn’t Bob’s only job — and it probably wasn’t the only job he had outsourced. Bob was making “several hundred thousand dollars a year” per Verizon, and “only had to pay the Chinese consulting firm about fifty grand annually.”

  13. Rabz

    A new service from Rabz’ Global Media Monitors – Today’s Twat.

    From celebrated Fauxfacts Frightbat, Clam Bistro:

    People who say teenage girls are “too intense” should be bludgeoned with ten copies of The Righteous Bros’ ‘You’re My Soul and Inspiration’


  14. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    heh. The US Constitutional extremist Mike Vanderbourgh, in one of his recent speeches, is not without a sense of humour:

    I’d like to open my speech today with two shout outs, one to my most devoted sponsors, the One Hundred Heads Life and Casualty Company and the other to the twice-elected President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, on the singular milestone in his career, or indeed of anyone who has ever sat in the Oval Office. Sometime later this month, if my estimate is correct, Mr. Obama will have presided over the ONE HUNDRED MILLIONTH FBI FIREARM SALES BACKGROUND CHECK. Now, for a guy who’s only been in office for a term and a half, that’s quite an accomplishment as a firearm salesman representing the Unintended Consequences Armaments Corporation, he has managed to put even Bill Clinton in the deep shade.
    Barack, you’re the biggest and best firearm salesman in world history and THAT’S some kind of legacy, so I would like to thank you from the bottom of my heart on behalf of the armed citizenry of the United States. And we won’t even mention what you’ve done for ammunition sales. But thanks for everything, Barack. You may go down in history as this country’s worst President ever, but you are ONE HELL OF AN ARMAMENTS SALESMAN.

    I recently read Sarah Hoyt’s ‘Roll and Flail, wherein she makes the point that when left-infested institutions die, their final death-roll takes them hard left, as far as they can go.

    The article’s worth reading (it’s about rape, mostly) because at the ens, she notes:

    I have, some years ago, identified the process by which left-leaning institutions die. Someone had asked me why an sf editor I will not name, having killed three magazines, got given yet another to kill, and why each magazine was successively more leftist. This was compared to the process by which news magazines and media when in trouble because too leftist for the general public, go hard left just before they die. (Also known as the left-leaning-death-roll.)

    Because I was in a field where this (then)worked, I had to explain to the people I was talking to that this happens because in fields that are 90% or more left, this works. See, if your magazine/newspaper/tv station goes under because you’re incompetent, no one is going to give you another job. But if your magazine/newspaper/tv station goes under because you’re “too far left” then the left – aka the rest of your field. Aka those who give awards and jobs – perceive you as a hero, suffering for your convictions, and promptly give you another job. So, if you’re an incompetent idiot, and your business is failing, your best way to cover it up and assure your survival in the field, is to run as far left as fast as you can. This has been trained in at the back of the brain of most people in the media and entertainment by DECADES of this strategy working just fine.

    So now that businesses (solo and corporate) in those fields are failing at record levels, everyone is racing to the left as fast as they can, oblivious to the fact that they’re all failing together and no one will be able to give them jobs. (Though frankly to be fair, they can still give them awards.)

    If you want to extrapolate from this to our political scene … it might bring some understanding to where we are, and why I am scared just now.

    When leftist institutions/cultures are dying, they race to the left. The bad news is that the left has a long history of filling mass graves.

    The good news is that in this country, the non-left is armed.

    The other good news is that this mad hatter race to the left is always – ALWAYS – a sign a leftist institution or culture is dying. And right now it’s everywhere where leftists are prevalent.

    Hold on to the sides of the boat. The water is about to get rough and #somemarxists are more dangerous than people who accuse Larry of misogyny and get beaten like a Spanish mule.

    BUT their flailing attacks, from the stupid to the serious, are all signs that they know they’re dying and are trying to stake out the leftward-most position.

    It’s their last gasp.

    Be not afraid. In the end we win, they lose. And they know it.

    Which is where Vanderbourgh, repellant and unlovely extremist as he is, meets Hoyt’s point. Obama has given the (very heavily armed) US Constitutionalists ample warning as to the intent of his ruling elite and ample time to respond, and even ample time to come up with a valid theory of warfare on how to fight a civil war inside a fragile, transitioning industrialised/post industrial society. And they have responded accordingly.

    I do not blame Hoyt for being scared, yet I agree with her that the left has lost. ALl it can do now is flail at their enemies, which will achieve only misery and death.

    But those are the ONLY things the left has ever achieved.

  15. john constantine

    teenage girls are uniquely vunerable to the shitty cult-style tricks the lefties use.

    ‘nothing wrong with living in your emotions’

    ‘we can bully them for being not [we are us] and it makes us good people’

    all you need to do is say and wear things off this list, and you can be certain the right sort of person will accept you as the right sort of person’

    your older family are idiots who know nothing, the leftie/greenslime cult will let you absorb pure emotional truth,that the others will never understand, so you must take money from them, and give the money to the cause……….

  16. nic

    Lol Rabz, ‘people who say women are emotional should be killed now, right, right now! Are you listening to me you sexists?”

  17. nic

    Blair’s 2 columns today are masterpieces.

    Agree. His columns often make me lauugh out loud.

  18. C.L.

    The “bludjahideen.”

    Why does Blair think these up before me, dammit?

  19. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Blair has few gifts. That’s his main one, and it’s quite valuable.

    The left and their heroes (islamic terrorists in this case) cannot stand ridicule.

    “Bludgahideen’s” ‘ brilliant.

  20. nic

    I like his willingness to mock the entirely mockworthy that no one dares to mention. He’s great at shining a light on hypocrisy.

  21. Victor Davis Hanson, “The Decline of Western Civilization in a Few Paragraphs”:

    Every once in a while, a criminal case — consider the O.J. trial — reflects the immoral course of our current trajectory. Here is an ongoing local criminal case that pretty much sums up what is happening to our culture, laws, and society at large.
    Perla Ibeth Vazquez, 27, is now on trial in these parts. On Oct. 21, 2011 (a mere two-and-a-half-years ago?), she was drunk, drove, and killed, according to the Fresno Bee, one “Frank Winslow, 54, a family man and truck driver for Foster Farms who was only a few miles from home when he was killed on Highway 168 near Ashlan Avenue.” […]
    [J]ust 11 days after she pleaded guilty to her second DUI, the California Highway Patrol caught Vazquez driving 120 mph on a local highway. Her breath smelled of alcohol, her speech was slurred, and she did poorly on a sobriety test, so the officer arrested her, Wright said. But she was never charged. […]
    So she was arrested on suspicion of her third DUI, and was let go after being arrested noticeably drunk and traveling 120 mph? Whoever dropped the case should be summarily put on leave, given that he or she is directly responsible for the subsequent death of Mr. Winslow — after Ms. Vazquez had been convicted of prior DUIs, warned by a judge, and then not charged after hitting 120 mph. […] The Bee story continues:

    In defending Vazquez, DeOcampo told the jury that his client was a hard worker and had a job before her arrest in connection with Winslow’s death. He also said Vazquez was an alcoholic, an addiction that came from being molested as a child by a baby-sitter and a feeling of being unloved by a stepfather.

    So here is her defense against the charge of vehicular murder:
    She had a job once. Apparently, being employed is now not normally expected, but so aberrant to the degree that it counts as a plus in our current culture where millions have ceased working.
    I don’t know what or who is sicker, Ms. Vazquez, or the prosecutors who long ago let her off drunk after speeding at 120 mph, or the defense attorney who calls all this “negligence,” or the society that has created a host of extenuating circumstances that can be adduced on any occasion to nullify consequences of our behavior, or the general callousness and indifference we allow for such a repeat offender to be back on the streets to kill and maim.
    I do know that this is not aberrant. For anyone who reads this: we all could become Mr. Winslows today with the full assurance that the capital and labor of our society will be heavily invested in seeing that the convicted DUI driver who kills us has had plenty of prior opportunity to practice his craft, that driving drunk at 120 mph is not necessarily reason to be charged with a crime, and that when our killers face possible consequences they will claim that their addictions were caused by unloving stepfathers and perverted babysitters, and will more likely have their personnel stories aired than will the deceased and innocent.
    We live in a deeply diseased society in which we care little about the victim and a great deal about the perpetrators. As the trial continues, we no doubt will soon hear that somehow Mr. Winslow was at fault, that for all the past restrictions and punishments given Ms. Vasquez she did not comply with many if any of them, and that there were probably even more drunk-driving incidents than the four reported. We are also going to hear all sorts of fables of what a good person she really is. Just wait.
    In this regard, we are about to witness a legal circus, not a military tribunal, for a terrorist killer and Benghazi architect of the murders of four Americans.

  22. By the way, Bannockburn.

    I have broken my good axe!

  23. Mike of Marion

    #1356573, posted on June 23, 2014 at 10:48 am
    The frightbats will enjoy hissing at this one:

    Hope there wasn’t any female genitalia mutilation when he was extracted!!!!!!

  24. Rabz

    student gets stuck in giant stone vagina

    As you do. 😕

  25. Kae

    Yes, but did the student find the truck keys?

  26. pete m

    Gees, for a second there I thought you were having a crack at SHY again.

  27. egg_

    student gets stuck in giant stone vagina

    Haven’t they heard of lube?
    Forceps delivery?

  28. notafan

    I have broken my good axe!

    Better the good axe than the good scissors.

  29. oldsalt

    ABC do a special Tribal Wives and send SHY to Sulawesi where she could be wifey no.4 for one of the people smugglers

  30. egg_

    SHY: “I said ‘sit on my stone face‘!”?

  31. Anne

    “Giant Stone Vagina”


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