Not dangerous, just illegal

FODI

From the Festival of Dangerous Ideas:

For most of recorded history parents have reluctantly sacrificed their children—sending them to kill or be killed for the honour of their nation, their flag, their king, their religion. But what about killing for the honour of one’s family? Overwhelmingly, those who condemn ‘honour killings’ are based in the liberal democracies of the West. The accuser and moral judge is the secular (white) westerner and the accused is the oriental other; the powerful condemn the powerless. By taking a particular cultural view of honour, some killings are condemned whilst others are celebrated. In turn, the act becomes a symbol of everything that is allegedly wrong with the other culture.

Wow. How about that?

Now I understand that we have to celebrate diversity and all, but sometimes you just have to say, “No. Do that here and you’re going to jail. Forever.”

Note the sponsors:

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Update: What better time to remind ourselves of the famous words of Sir Charles James Napier:

Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.

(HT: Alan RM Jones)

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220 Responses to Not dangerous, just illegal

  1. Infidel Tiger

    How else should someone respond when they discover their wife wants a drivers license or their daughter is a lezzo? I’m all ears if you think there is any other possible way of dealing with those situations.

    http://fodi.sydneyoperahouse.com/partners/

  2. Rabz

    I note the furious backpedalling has already commenced.

    the presentation will ‘obviously’ not advocate honour killings

    Via Tom on the O/T.

  3. Gab

    honour killings are morally justified

    Heh. I’m tipping that was followed with a “BUT”.

    And PS. They are not “killings”. They are murders. What is wrong with these people?!

  4. Gab

    And illegal in this country, in case the morons have forgotten that.

  5. MemoryVault

    So, Australian Ethical Investments supports honour killings.
    Coal is a killer, but murder is fine – if done for “honourable” reasons.

    Fascinating.

  6. Mike of Marion

    Don’t forget the Opera House cancelled the contract for the European Soprano a few days ago because the lezzo/gay mob got all upset and tossed a tantrum!!!!!!!!!!!

  7. Roger

    Can we expect a threatened boycott of performances the Opera House by the same crowd who pressured Opera Australia over Tamar Iveri’s comments on homosexuality?

  8. Mike P

    Evil white westerners picking on the oriental other.

    These people are insane.

  9. JakartaJaap

    Can’t top any of the above. Absolute barbarians. The peace and tolerance folk that is. Submit.

  10. Roger

    From the ABC’s website (of course): “Uthman Badar is the media representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia, a global Islamic political party working in over 40 countries, via exclusively intellectual and political means, to re-establish the Caliphate in the Muslim World. He is a student of the Islamic sciences and is completing a PhD in Economics at the University of Western Sydney.”

    I noted a spokesman from this organisation in Australia yesterday stated that the West is worse than ISIS. Who on earth do they live here then? Oh wait: free health care, free education, social security. We are generously harbouring people who wish to destroy us.

  11. Tim Neilson

    I presume that the “sacrifice” referred to is conscription in time of war. Conscripting troops is slightly different to “honour” killing a daughter. The intention isn’t that the conscript dies, though of course the danger of that happening can be very serious. The intention is invariably that some constructive purpose be achieved, preferably with the conscript returning home safe and sound.
    As for the comment that “the powerful condemn the powerless”, I think that the Platonic Form of “irony deficiency” has just irrupted into the physical world.

  12. Aristogeiton

    This guy is a fucking dog.

  13. PeterCGoing

    Don’t let the. Facts get in the way. I don’t know if children are pushed to die for their country in his part of the world but in Australia and the UK most under aged soldiers did it without their parent’s consent and in my own father’s case he put his age up and forged his aunt’s signature to get in the Royal Navy. In Australia in WW1 most Irish fathers were opposed to their sons enlisting to fight for Britain. So to try to link the reluctant support for a man defending his country with one who wishes to beat a girl to death while she is burned up to her chest is an insult to any man who served this or any other freedom loving country. I support his right to speak at this event but will any speaker present an argument for the revoking of 18C at the same event, I doubt it.

  14. lotocoti

    the powerful condemn the powerless

    Pretty much sums up ‘honour’ killing murder.
    I would be tempted to let this bloke exercise his particular cultural view, provided he doesn’t object to my particular cultural view.
    Which may or may not include a diverse range of ordnance and the extinction of his particular culture.

  15. MemoryVault

    So,we have this -

    Don’t forget the Opera House cancelled the contract for the European Soprano a few days ago because the lezzo/gay mob got all upset and tossed a tantrum!!!!!!!!!!!

    Plus this –

    Joint founder and co-curator of the festival Simon Longstaff said the idea is one he had consistently nominated for six years, because the point of the event is to push boundaries “to the point where you become extremely uncomfortable”.

    So, a speech by a fundamentalist Christian Minister condemning homosexuality and calling for gays to be stoned, wouldn’t fall foul of the law provided it was made “to push boundaries”?

  16. Hendrix

    This guy is a fucking dog.

    I work with dogs. They act rationally and honestly. Can’t compare the two.

  17. Aristogeiton

    Hendrix
    #1358598, posted on June 24, 2014 at 6:01 pm
    This guy is a fucking dog.

    I work with dogs. They act rationally and honestly. Can’t compare the two.

    I’d feel bad beating a dog.

  18. Roger

    I’ve got a dangerous idea for them – end Muslim immigration colonisation now! Islam is incompatible with Western values.

  19. Aristogeiton

    Lol. Here he is talking about ‘free speech’. Watch the moonbats applaud him:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZGlyymF00I

    “Basic human civility”, huh?

  20. Greg James

    How else should someone respond when they discover their wife wants a drivers license or their daughter is a lezzo? I’m all ears if you think there is any other possible way of dealing with those situations.

    My thoughts exactly!

    And what if they forget to put in the proper amount of starch in the shirts, or fail to put the right amount of sauce on the eggs?

    I ask you, where will it all end if we weren’t allowed to bump them off occasionally for these sorts of transgressions?

  21. Notafan

    And the imans were in Parliament today getting a warm welcome with Shorten supporting both free speech and 18c

  22. Notafan

    In Pakistan you can just bump them off if you decide you would like a newer model.

  23. Snoopy

    So according to the Sydney Opera House honour killings are just fine but telling poofs to fuck off using unpleasant language is unacceptable?

  24. George Brandis thanks for NOTHING

    Longstaff, you can’t tell the difference between ‘dangerous’ ideas that challenge the status quo power structure, and ideas that seek to justify barbarism?

    This twit’s ‘ideas’ aren’t just theoretic. Millions of women and girls in the muslim world are in the pointy end of them every day.

    You’ve lost your credibility feller. Hopefully your funding goes the same way.

  25. Real Deal

    So Mr Ethics, Simon Longstaff defends this? Dangerous ideas? And this admirable pinhead wants to lecture others on ethics. Sheesh.

  26. Aussieute

    Ok time is up … know any one of key influence in the list below?
    I’m sure some pressure could be brought to bare on some of these to act against this bullshit.
    These are corporate sponsors of the St James Ethics Centre

    One who I have personal contact with is Gayle Kelly, she will be my first point of contact.

    Albert Investments
    AMP
    ABC
    Australian Unity
    Belinda Mason
    BHP
    BVN Donovan Hill
    Christoper Cuffe Foundation
    City of Sydney
    Glbert Tobin Lawyers
    Gonski Foundation
    GPT Group
    Growcon
    Investec
    ISPT Super Property
    JP Morgan
    Kindleman
    The Kinghorn Foundation
    Beppis
    LaSalle Investment Management
    Manley selective Campus – TAFE
    The Office of the Migration Agents – Australian Government
    The Police Credit Union
    PPR – Professional Public Relations
    Rita Hogan Foundation
    Rothschild
    Gratorex Foundation
    The Trust Company
    Westpac
    Ernst & Young Global

  27. stackja

    Will Badar honourably kill himself?

  28. Bruce of Newcastle

    Arrest him for incitement to murder. Five years gaol should convince him that secular law has precedence over barbarous tribal customs.

    And the gaol menu during his stint should be mainly pork chops and bacon, just so he understands that citizenship is a privilege not a right.

  29. Gab

    You can tell the difference between ‘dangerous’ ideas that challenge the status quo power structure and ideas that seek to justify barbarism.

    Nailed it.

    (Slight edit, hope you don’t mind)

  30. Infidel Tiger

    C’mon fellas, we’ve all thought it. Bitches are out of control.

  31. Viva

    Perhaps this is satire – you know, along the lines of Swift’s Modest Proposal that the Irish poor might ease their burden by selling their children as food for the rich.

  32. George Brandis thanks for NOTHING

    No worries Gab, but it’s ‘can’t', not ‘can’.

    This is outrageous. These twits are out of control.

  33. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Uthman Badar is the media representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia

    HUT is the ‘friendly’ side of Sunni terrorism. They support all the goals of ISIS ()establishment of a caliphate, sharia law, slavery, jihad, murder of homosexuals, chattel property ownership of women, marriage of females at age 9 – so they are peddoes as well – and on, and on.

    HUT’s main job is to raise money for these causes (wonder where that winds up) and to implement taqiyyah and kitman in teh west to weaken us before conquering and enslaving us.

    So no change since Sulieman’s days, then.

    So dangerous AND illegal. This bloke is member of a mob who support the aims of sunni terrorists.

  34. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Ari:

    This guy is a fucking dog.

    That’s actually an insult to dogs. He’s Hizb ut Tahrir and that’s lower than greenfilth.

    This guy’s pig dung.

  35. rickw

    Time for the De-Islamification of Australia.

    If that sound’s a bit like the De-Nazification of Germany, it’s just because it’s pretty much the same thing…

  36. Roger

    Mission Statement of St James Ethics centre:

    “To serve as a catalyst and enabler for society to think, debate and act in good conscience, particularly in the face of uncertainty and ambiguity.”

    I’m not easily given to profanity, but FFS what is uncertain or ambiguous about honour killings?

  37. cynical1

    The accuser and moral judge is the secular (white) westerner and the accused is the oriental other; the powerful condemn the powerless. .

    Powerless??

    So it’s not really wrong, they are just told it is by people with more power.

    WTF. Coming soon: “The joys of cannabalism”.

    Mankind has cancer. Islamic cancer..

  38. C.L.

    What surprises me is that anyone is in the least bit surprised.

    Of course the Western left goes easy on honour killings.

  39. Fisky

    Note how “human rights lawyer” Julian Burnside featured alongside this extremist in favour of a motion to ban blasphemy. It was at the IQ2 forum. Lots of Leftists attended and cheered this barbarian on as he demanded a total ban on free speech, with Burnside QC sitting smugly at his side.

    Disgraceful.

  40. Fisky

    The Left support honour killings because it is a disciplinary advice that keeps Muslims in line as part of a revolutionary force dedicated to smashing the West. Anything that threatens an outbreak of pluralism in Islamic ranks, such as free speech, women’s rights and the right to choose one’s religion, is always opposed by the Left for undermining the revolutionary consciousness of the Islamic proletariat.

  41. Fisky

    sorry – disciplinary device

  42. Gab

    I’m not easily given to profanity, but FFS what is uncertain or ambiguous about honour killings?

    Leftards sitting around discussing the best method?

  43. jupes

    “No. Do that here and you’re going to jail. Forever.”

    Yeah right.

    I’m picking 20 years with a minimum of under 10. Cultural factors will be used as mitigation. What do you reckon Ari?

  44. Infidel Tiger

    If we put this guy on stage with a guy who proposes a 20% flat tax and limited government, who do you reckon is booed off stage as the extremist?

  45. Gab

    Hey remember when Geert Wilders was here in Australia to give talks with the theme Islam is the problem not muslims? Remember the uproar from muslims, the media, Labor, the Greens; and hotels cancelling on him, the protests, the media going apeshit and calling him a radical and an extremist?

    But discussing “honour” murders just gets a pass like it’s a perfectly rational topic to have with your tofu and chai latte.

  46. Fisky

    Yes I do remember that outrage over Geert Wilders. HREOC desperately wanted to ban him but couldn’t because the moment wasn’t right – they were getting a kicking over their lack of commitment to free speech and needed a figleaf to pretend they weren’t opposed to it. So they “supported” Wilders’ right to tour in Australia.

    But the Left’s furious opposition to Wilders was pretty damning given their sniggering support for the honour killings speaker.

  47. Alfonso

    Oh my….
    Primitive, failed, mendicant, Western hating, infidel life threatening 3rd world muslim cultures…..and good ‘ol Tone wants and allows the fuckers as legal, encouraged immigrants.

    I give up.

  48. Aristogeiton

    jupes
    #1358653, posted on June 24, 2014 at 6:51 pm
    [...]
    Cultural factors will be used as mitigation. What do you reckon Ari?

    Cultural factors should not be used in mitigation of any sentence. All should be equal before the law.

    Using ‘incitement’ like that indicates that people who commit crimes suggested to them have no agency. They do. They are responsible for their own actions.

    This man is a pig, however. You won’t get any argument from me.

  49. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1358656, posted on June 24, 2014 at 6:58 pm
    Yes I do remember that outrage over Geert Wilders. HREOC desperately wanted to ban him but couldn’t because the moment wasn’t right – they were getting a kicking over their lack of commitment to free speech and needed a figleaf to pretend they weren’t opposed to it. So they “supported” Wilders’ right to tour in Australia.

    But the Left’s furious opposition to Wilders was pretty damning given their sniggering support for the honour killings speaker.

    Forget the left. It was the Immigration Minister who held up his visa. Piece of shit.

  50. Andrew

    Any bets on how long it takes that dog Scumbers to turn up and support HUT and their views on modern feminism? He supported even that disgusting outrage by Gillard the other morning, so this shouldn’t be beneath him.

  51. C.L.

    Is this turd an Australian?

    If not, which Abbott minister okayed the dirtbag’s entry into Australia?

  52. duncanm

    time for a bacon burger and pork rib cook-off on the Opera House forecourt run by a bunch of people in Muhammed costumes (pigs be upon him).

    Should be a sellout.

  53. C.L.

    Let’s just hope and pray he doesn’t punch a wall.

  54. Baldrick

    Uthman Badar on Anzac Day:

    “It is this ugly reality that is covered by superficial jingoistic celebrations based on crafted mythologies like the ‘Anzac legend’,” spokesman Uthman Badar said in a statement on Wednesday. He said the Gallipoli campaign was aggression by allied troops against the legitimate Islamic authority, the Ottoman Caliphate. “There is nothing for Muslims to celebrate about Australia’s contribution to colonial aggression against the Muslim world.”

    Badar is not an Australian. He’s and Islamist and should be deported forthwith.

  55. Roger

    From the Daily Telegraph: “Co-curator Ann Mossop would not confirm if Mr Badar would receive an appearance fee. “Uthman Badar is not speaking as a representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir, he is a PhD student at the University of Western Sydney. He hasn’t been asked to speak in his official capacity,” Ms Mossop said. “If you want to talk about the information we’ve put out, we have announced Uthman Badar will be giving a talk about honour killings and about whether it can be morally justified. “He is not advocating honour killing. There is a distinct line between discussing ideas about something and advocating violence, he is not saying people should perpetrate honour killings.”

    Oh, thank goodness: He’s not advocating violence, he’s only justifying it morally.
    And he’s not appearing as a representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir, but as a PhD student of Western Sydney University, where he is a student of…Economics.

    Ms Mossop, I have a proposal: the next Festival of Dangerous Ideas should host a speaker who’ll argue that the Nazis were morally justified in attempting to exterminate Europe’s Jews. Just argue mind, not advocate. You know, it’s not as if ideas have consequences in the real world!

  56. nilk

    The Hizbis are outlawed in quite a few islamically-minded countries as a terrorist organisation.

    Years ago, Mick Keelty was asked if they would be made illegal here. No, because regardless of what they were saying, they hadn’t broken the law.

    Jellybacked gimp.

  57. C.L.

    Where’s Emily’s List on this?

    Or do they support honour killings?

  58. Fisky

    Any bets on how long it takes that dog Scumbers to turn up and support HUT and their views on modern feminism? He supported even that disgusting outrage by Gillard the other morning, so this shouldn’t be beneath him.

    It’s the sort of conference that would give Numbers a raging hard-on. He loves murder advocates and even practitioners and once described Hamas as “democratic”.

  59. Aristogeiton

    Fisky
    #1358671, posted on June 24, 2014 at 7:05 pm
    But Wilders’ trip did go ahead anyway.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/after-the-wilders-trip-multicultural-australia-can-take-a-bow-20130224-2ezgg.html

    Yeah, I know. But not before he was fucked about more than any other applicant by the Immigration Minister. In addition to which, people who attended his lectures were systematically menaced and physically assaulted.

  60. Gab

    From their ABC:

    Uthman Badar is the media representative of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia, a global Islamic political party working in over 40 countries, via exclusively intellectual [lol] and political means, to re-establish the Caliphate in the Muslim World.

    He is a student of the Islamic sciences [wtf?] and is completing a PhD in Economics at the University of Western Sydney.

  61. Peter H

    This is what the Muslims do they push and push and push and in the end you get what every Muslim country without a dictator has, civil war. Same people threatened tony Abbott unless he agreed to submit. The abc and waleed Ali on the project can say what they like but I really can not stand the idea that people think our values and our culture, in what used to be our own country, for all our faults are not superior to this crap. The management if the opera house should be sacked, how disgusting.

  62. Aristogeiton

    Gillard going to call this misogyny wherever she sees it?

  63. Fisky

    Mick Fisk ‏@mickfisk 2m
    Hey @EMILYsListAus – anything to say about the pro-honour killings speaker at the next Festival of Dangerous Ideas?

  64. Rabz

    Interesting reading.

    Note that he’s been extensively sheltered in the halls of academia.

  65. Roger

    Note that he’s been extensively sheltered in the halls of academia.
    Yes, evidence (as if we needed it) of the new trahison des clercs, Rabz.

  66. Rabz

    I’m also presuming he’s a Keynesian.

  67. jupes

    Cultural factors should not be used in mitigation of any sentence.

    No doubt.

    Problem is that they are.

  68. Infidel Tiger

    Where’s Emily’s List on this?

    Getting their backs waxed.

  69. Andrew

    such acts are seized on by Westerners as a symbol of everything they dislike about another culture.

    No, there’s other things too.

  70. Leo G

    Perhaps this is satire – you know, along the lines of Swift’s Modest Proposal that the Irish poor might ease their burden by selling their children as food for the rich.

    A BBC story last year pointed to estimates of 5,000 to 20,000 women killed worldwide each year in honour-related in incidents.

  71. lotocoti

    I notice it’s not a debate, but a lecture.
    Which, whilst potentially interesting, is also a missed opportunity.
    Put him on stage with some of Tim Blair’s frightbats and a lump hammer and you’d have the total entertainment package.

  72. Fisky

    But, but, what about the mafia, don’t they have honour killings too? Ha, you see there’s no problem here after all!

    /the Left

  73. C.L.

    Will George Brandis take legal action here?

    Inciting murder is a crime, is it not?

  74. Roger

    Put him on stage with some of Tim Blair’s frightbats and a lump hammer and you’d have the total entertainment package.
    Oh no, loto, he’s the embodiment of the “oriental other”, they’d swoon at his feet!

  75. Infidel Tiger

    A BBC story last year pointed to estimates of 5,000 to 20,000 women killed worldwide each year in honour-related in incidents.

    You only need to read the Open Forum to see how uppity chattel can get. I’m staggered it’s not more.

  76. Fisky

    Brandis will probably try to use this case to convince the Left to amend 18C in the name of even-handedness. “See, we believe in free speech for ALL, so pretty please will you pass the bills??”

    What he doesn’t understand is that the Left don’t see issues in the sense of standard application of principle but in terms of instrumentality alone. They support free speech for Islamists not because they believe in free speech, but because they believe it the expression of Islamist ideas keeps Muslims in line and serves a wider purpose that helps the Left. They oppose free speech for Bolt because he’s a threat to the Left.

    That’s how it all works and there’s nothing more to it than that.

  77. Tom

    One of the reasons the fucktard Alinskyist left make my skin crawl is that they have raised lying to an artform:

    “Uthman Badar will be giving a talk about honour killings and about whether it can be morally justified. He is not advocating honour killing. There is a distinct line between discussing ideas about something and advocating violence, he is not saying people should perpetrate honour killings.”

    …says the “feminist” fuckwit, who approved of the title of the program:

    Honour Killings are Morally Justified
    Uthman Badar

    Whatever it takes to get the destruction of Western civilisation over the line, even cheering on primitive savages who want to kill or enslave your gender.
    This “feminist” should be sacked, mercilessly reviled and made an outcast by the luvvee establishment for selling out the sisterhood.
    But she won’t be. Because leftism is a serious mental illness.

  78. Fisky

    http://au.linkedin.com/pub/uthman-badar/30/75/bb5

    You can see from Uthman Badar’s Linked-In page that he describes himself as a Keynesian. Why am I not surprised?

  79. jumpnmcar

    This peanut talks of ” the islamic world ” like they’re indigenous to it or some shit.
    No, the filth took it over from someone else.
    Just like they’ll do here if good men stay silent.

  80. lotocoti

    He is a student of the Islamic sciences [wtf?]

    How to make Mother of Satan with readily available products from your local IGA.

  81. jupes

    The dickhead’s analogy is ridiculous.

    He sees no difference between honourable men risking their lives against armed men in order to protect their country and stinking cowards murdering defenceless females.

  82. boy on a bike

    He’s just angling for a regular gig on Q&A.

  83. blogstrop

    End leftist immigration now.

  84. Fisky

    He sees no difference between honourable men risking their lives against armed men in order to protect their country and stinking cowards murdering defenceless females.

    In his mind, there is no difference. The “Islamic nation” maintains its coherence not by defending against invaders, because they’ve been pretty terrible at that for hundreds of years, but by killing anyone who threatens to introduce pluralism or weaken the moral code of Islam.

  85. Gab

    giving a talk about honour killings and about whether it can be morally justified.

    No, it can’t. Not under any circumstances.
    QED

    Next question.

  86. nilk

    Aaaand a bit of light reading. I give you the Hizbi Draft Constitution of the Islamic State with such gems as:

    Article 7

    The State implements the divine law on all citizens who hold citizenship of the Islamic State, whether Muslims or not, in the following manner:

    a. The divine law is implemented in its entirety, without exception, on all Muslims;

    b. Non-Muslims are allowed to follow their own beliefs and worships.

    c. Those who are guilty of apostasy (murtad) from Islam are to be executed according to the rule of apostasy, provided they have themselves renounced Islam. If they are born as non-Muslims, i.e., if they are the sons of apostates, then they are treated as non-Muslims according to their status as being either polytheists (mushriks) or People of the Book.

    d. In matters of food and clothing the non-Muslims are treated according to their religions within the limits allowed by Ahkam Shar’iah.

    e. Marital affairs, including divorce, among non-Muslims are settled in accordance with their religions, but between non-Muslims and Muslims they are settled according to the divine law.

    f. All the remaining Shara’iah matters and rules, such as: the application of transactions, punishments and evidences (at court), the system of ruling and economics are implemented by the State upon everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike. This includes the people of treaties (mua’ahid), the protected subjects (ahlu zimmah) and all who submit to the authority of Islam. The implementation on these people is the same as the implementation on the subjects of the State. Ambassadors and envoys enjoy diplomatic immunity.

    Of course, Article 1 states that the islamic state is based on islam, and Article 3 reminds us that laws enacted are grounded in sharia.

    If you know your Pact of Omar, or Conditions of Omar, then Article 7 is a mind-bending display of taqiyya.

  87. A Lurker

    This man culture is a pig, however.

    Fixed!

    This man is a true representative of his culture.

    You won’t get any argument from me.

    Nor me.

    Btw that whole statement powerful condemn the powerless is astounding given that the powerless in that society are the girls/women.

  88. Sinclair Davidson

    Inciting murder is a crime, is it not?

    You would think so. That is a matter for the NSW police. Mind you, they were unable to bring whatshisname Henson to trial in NSW, so don’t hold your breath here.

  89. nilk

    You only need to read the Open Forum to see how uppity chattel can get. I’m staggered it’s not more.

    IT is most likely is more. Those would be the reported ones. What about those poor women who fall into their stoves, or off the balconies, or under buses. What about suicides of women in islamic countries? I wonder how many of them were coerced into topping themselves to save face for their families?

  90. Andreas

    Inciting murder is a crime, is it not?

    Nobody was charged over the “Behead those who insult Mohammed” signs – surely incitements to commit murder – so don’t expect the police to do anything whatever about this.

  91. Steve of Glasshouse

    Time for some street theatre in front of the Opera House. A few pretend stonings, knifings etc in the name of cultural harmony. Then they can play sunni and shia…

  92. David

    There is nothing for Muslims to celebrate about Australia’s contribution to colonial aggression against the Muslim world.”

    He got that bit right. That part of the 1st AIF serving in the Middle East gave their tender little backsides a right kicking up to and beyond the liberation of Jerusalem and a large step on the way to the founding of Israel.

    Sir Charles Napier’s idea should be immediately adopted. Kill one woman and every male in the family is first castrated without anaesthetic and then executed – preferably with a round greased in pig fat.

    Not all cultures are equal and theirs sits right near the bottom of the pile.

    [Slight edit. Sinc]

  93. Roger

    Inciting murder is a crime, is it not?

    C.L., Sinc,

    You evidently didn’t read the FDI press release: he’s not inciting honour killings (I’m sure he’ll be very careful not to), but justifying them morally. So, no need to worry – as I noted in a previous comment, it’s not as if ideas have consequences in the real world.

  94. nilk

    nilk ‏@1nilk2rulethem

    @SimonLongstaff so how’s yr #honourkillingproject working out 4 u? http://bit.ly/T4Qxb2 A109 Men & women r basically2b segregated. #heh.

  95. Old School Conservative

    The St James Ethics Centre has outed itself as a non-ethical, unprincipled supporter of murderous ideas. Until now it was quietly subverting Western values and democratic principles but now its true colours are shown.
    If the phrase “fecal masses” can bring down a contracted Opera singer, then supporting honour killings will bring down this repulsive institution.

  96. entropy

    I am going to channel Sir Charles Napier

    “Be it so. This burning of widowsHonour killing is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women aliveKill women who dare to think for themselves, we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumedGirl is murdered. Let us all act according to national customs.”

  97. Sinclair Davidson

    You evidently didn’t read the FDI press release: he’s not inciting honour killings (I’m sure he’ll be very careful not to), but justifying them morally.

    Well, thank goodness for that. So it’s okay to slap the missus and daughters around when they disrespect the man of the house? Morally okay to murder them too. As long as you don’t actually murder them?

    Damn those westerners and their cultural imperialism.

  98. A Lurker

    Well, thank goodness for that. So it’s okay to slap the missus and daughters around when they disrespect the man of the house?

    Keep in mind that those black ‘Freedom Sacks’ would be useful for hiding evidence of domestic abuse.

  99. Tom

    On their websites, ShakeMyHead.com and Pravda on Yarra have now totally buried the story, even though it’s new news filed at 4.40pm, because of the embarrassment it is causing the fucktard left.

  100. rebel with cause

    Samsung is a partner of the Festival of Dangerous Mysoginistic Ideas. Well I won’t be buying anything made by them ever again.

  101. nilk

    Well, thank goodness for that. So it’s okay to slap the missus and daughters around when they disrespect the man of the house? Morally okay to murder them too. As long as you don’t actually murder them?

    Damn those westerners and their cultural imperialism.

    *shakes head sadly*

    Sinclair, Sinclair, Sinclair, don’t you get it? It’s all about da kulcha. Theirs is better than ours because it’s not ours. Plus, all kulchas are relative, and it’s racist to say otherwise.

    So just, as they say, shut up and let our betters hector us.

  102. incoherent rambler

    +1 David
    +1 Sinclair

  103. incoherent rambler

    Things like this make me feel like donning chain mail and a big red cross, then picking up the sword …

  104. Gab

    You’re all islamophobes!!!11!!!!

  105. David

    Your blog Sinc. You can edit as you see fit.

    Doesn’t alter my opinion of the bastards.

  106. Sinclair Davidson

    It’s all about da kulcha.

    Well, I hope not. I have several Muslim colleagues who I suspect would be as horrified and appalled as we are. I’m sure they would dismiss this individual as just being a dick. A little dick, at that.

  107. Andrew

    Is this turd an Australian?

    If not, which Abbott minister okayed the dirtbag’s entry into Australia?

    Born here apparently. We grew this one ourselves, encouraged under Labor’s attempt to overcompensate for White Australia.

  108. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    This guy is a fucking dog.

    On this, Aristogeiton, you and I are at one.

    Given that dogs, in his world, are the pits.

  109. incoherent rambler

    You’re all islamophobes!!!11!!!!

    Phobe suffix requires fear. Taint no fear.

  110. Sinclair Davidson

    Doesn’t alter my opinion of the bastards.

    That’s fine – but over-egging detracts from the main message.

  111. Roger

    So it’s okay to slap the missus and daughters around when they disrespect the man of the house? Morally okay to murder them too. As long as you don’t actually murder them?

    You’re catching on, Sinc. Just see Ms Mossop, the co-curator of the Festival, for further instruction as to why you really don’t need to worry about his lecture. And he’s not representing Hizb ut-Tahrir, but the Economics department of Western Sydney University, OK? And while we’re disabusing ourselves of our corrupt Western colonialist conditioned preconceptions, David Hicks didn’t go overseas to engage in Jihad, all the “Australians” consorting with ISIS in Iraq are there for humanitarian reasons and Islam is a religion of peace.

  112. JC

    He is a little dick isn’t he. Maybe he ought to try that talk at a Cat meet one time, if he’s game. I bet he isn’t as he seems to be only good at talking about beating up and killing women.

    The scrawny little worm.

  113. he’s not inciting honour killings (I’m sure he’ll be very careful not to), but justifying them morally.

    Presenting a justification is an incitement.
    What about someone who is on the margin – who may have been taught it’s okay but has doubts. They go looking for moral arguments and, the internet being global and all, finds this guy’s work. Arguments in its favour help shore up the cultural support, and thus extend the practice.

  114. David

    You’re all islamophobes

    Gab to have a phobia is to have a morbid fear or aversion to something. I have no fear of Islam but I certainly do have an aversion to it. So I guess I am an Islamophobe. Tough. Anyone who doesn’t have that aversion is living in fairy land.

  115. Roger

    Samsung is a partner of the Festival of Dangerous Mysoginistic Ideas. Well I won’t be buying anything made by them ever again.

    Just be sure and write to them to let them know why, rebel.

  116. Tom

    I have several Muslim colleagues who I suspect would be as horrified and appalled as we are.

    Isn’t it funny how we never hear from them on this subject, under any circumstances, ever?

    Oh, sorry, they wrote something for an academic review that no-one reads.

  117. Gab

    David, if you read above, you will see I’m just shit stirring. And whenever you see one if us here making obviously outrageous claims followed by exclamation marks with a 1 or 11 in it, you will know that means we are taking the pith out of lefties.

  118. Roger

    Presenting a justification is an incitement.
    Um…that’s kind of my point, Aussie.
    Is your sarc antenna plugged in?

  119. Sinclair Davidson

    Isn’t it funny how we never hear from them on this subject, under any circumstances, ever?

    That’s not really fair – most people just want to get on with their lives. When was the last time that any of us condemned any and every dickhead westerner? Okay – we do some of it around here, but most people don’t.

  120. Um…that’s kind of my point, Aussie.
    Is your sarc antenna plugged in?

    My sarc antenna doesn’t work very well.

  121. nilk

    Sinc, in general the muslims I know are nice people, too. The problem though, is the doctrine. When you read those stories of young men who suffer from Sudden Jihad Syndrome they all seem to have been rather normal young men who decide to take a deeper look at their religion and start reading the quran, and going to mosque more often.

    Look at Andy Choudary over in England. He used to be quite the lad and now he’s all about sharia and the new islamic order.

  122. A Lurker

    I’m now wondering if Uthman Badar has had first hand experience of honour killing murdering or has witnessed it happening?

  123. Roger

    I have several Muslim colleagues who I suspect would be as horrified and appalled as we are.

    Yes, they’d be the type the likes of Hizb ut-Tahrir make dig their own graves in Iraq.
    That’s why they stay silent. Of course, I’d be more than happy for them to prove me wrong – I’d be more than happy to see them and other Muslims outside the Opera House on 30th August at 12:45PM protesting Badar’s lecture in the name of universal human rights.

  124. .

    Infidel Tiger
    #1358654, posted on June 24, 2014 at 6:55 pm
    If we put this guy on stage with a guy who proposes a 20% flat tax and limited government, who do you reckon is booed off stage as the extremist?

    Yep, free markets are evil, advocating actual misogyny and legalised beating of women? Reasonable as it challenges the status quo.

    Vomitous.

  125. nilk

    Roger, first you’ve got to get them protesting the likes of Boko Haram first.

  126. Roger

    Protest begins at home, nilk.

  127. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    You’re all islamophobes!!

    Which raises an interesting point on the vermin’s… erm… foetid pondscum’s… erm… left’s use of the term as a ‘shut up!’ card.

    They use this very deliberately to scotch discussion, of course.

    I have found that a good counter is to laughingly say ‘Oh, I’m a terroristophobe, as I fear those who conduct indiscriminate attacks defined as war crimes by the UN’.

    This derails them very badly, as it makes reference to their beloved UN (as loathesomely incompetent and corrupt a bunch of thieving liars and pa#dophiles as ever walked the earth), and gives you a wedge to move to Wahabist and Salafist terrorist organisations.

    You can watch the mental derailment on their faces.

    Now you are outside their playbook and the fun starts.

    And then you have them at your (nonexistant) mercy, as they have no clue. In fact, some are so damned stupid that the odd one thinks you are a fellow luvvie, as they actually think that ‘wahabists’ and ‘salafists’ are ‘conservative right wing white Christian rednecks’.

    getting them to agree that these terrorists are bad bastards means it’s priceless when you tell them that Wahabism and Salafism are deep-rooted philosophical schools which want them personally (the luvvie) to be killed – and that they are schools inside islam.

  128. rebel with cause

    Roger – already done. Cats on the twitter thing can quiz them @samsungAU on why they advocate the murder of women.

    I’ve lost respect for Salman Rushdie that he is willing to appear on the same bill as an ‘honour killing’ booster.

  129. Aristogeiton

    Aussiepundit
    #1358806, posted on June 24, 2014 at 8:20 pm
    he’s not inciting honour killings (I’m sure he’ll be very careful not to), but justifying them morally.

    Presenting a justification is an incitement.
    What about someone who is on the margin – who may have been taught it’s okay but has doubts. They go looking for moral arguments and, the internet being global and all, finds this guy’s work. Arguments in its favour help shore up the cultural support, and thus extend the practice.

    I hate to agree with myself here, but Aussiepundit is right. In Queensland, ‘incitement’ (as it is called in other jurisdictions) is where one ‘counsels or procures’ a criminal act. Per R v F [2004] 1 Qd R 162:

    ‘To procure means to produce by endeavour. You procure a thing by setting out to see that it happens and taking the appropriate steps to produce that happening.’

    Commenters here should of all people be careful to avoid making third parties responsible for the positive actions, hypothetical or actual, of individuals.

    If Pickles is around, I’m sure he’d be able to provide a better explanation than I.

  130. Peter from SA

    Where’s Emily’s List on this?

    Getting their backs waxed.

    ah … thanks I.T. … the war might be lost but I’ll go down with a smile.

  131. Aristogeiton

    Ok, didn’t read closely enough. I am disagreeing with Aussiepundit. Try to think through the consequences of your definition of ‘incitement’.

  132. Notafan

    I thought muslim were forbidden to criticise Islam, on pain of death. If honour killing are condoned in the koran or hadiths the practice is not supposed to be criticised.
    It is like slavery, perhaps, which is permitted; on the basis that not keeping slaves, as having slaves is halal, is nearly as bad as doing something which is haram.

  133. nilk

    Protest begins at home, nilk.

    Yes it does, Roger, but all I hear are crickets.

  134. Aristogeiton

    Sinclair Davidson
    #1358817, posted on June 24, 2014 at 8:26 pm
    [...]
    That’s not really fair – most people just want to get on with their lives. When was the last time that any of us condemned any and every dickhead westerner? Okay – we do some of it around here, but most people don’t.

    Too true. The demand is really that individuals, as members of an identified ‘group’, take moral responsibility for the behaviour other individual members of the group. Try this argument, mutatis mutandis, for Aboriginal people (who commit far more crimes than any other ‘ethnic group’) and see how you go. Punish the offenders harshly, but stop arbitrarily lumping individual Muslims into the same category as violent nutters, and then demanding that they take responsibility to fix the ‘problem’. The problem is the behaviour of individual violent nutters, not the existence of law-abiding religious people.

  135. Infidel Tiger

    Can someone tweet the frightbats and get their opinion?

  136. JC

    Can someone tweet the frightbats and get their opinion?

    Sure

  137. brc

    You guys shouldn’t be calling for boycotts or bans or anything else.

    Let it go ahead. Hope it gets recorded and uploaded to youtube (make sure that it does)

    Expose these hypocritical murder-loving thugs for what they are, using the most dangerous weapon of them all.

    Free Speech.

    ps. The man is scum for even thinking of talking about this. I think a good rejoinder would be ‘Why deporting muslims from Australia back to their country of origin is morally defensible’. Exhibit A would be this guys views. That would get them upset and focus the minds a little on living in a liberal democracy instead of a caliphate.

  138. Peter from SA

    That’s not really fair – most people just want to get on with their lives. When was the last time that any of us condemned any and every dickhead westerner? Okay – we do some of it around here, but most people don’t.

    I get this. But where, globally, are the moderate muslim voices?

  139. Aristogeiton

    Notafan
    #1358850, posted on June 24, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    At the bottom of the article are the justifications for honour killings

    I can’t read this. It seems like it was poorly machine-translated.

  140. So according to the Sydney Opera House honour killings are just fine but telling poofs to fuck off using unpleasant language is unacceptable?

    But, of course! Dead people can’t have their feelings hurt. Are you stoopid?

  141. Gab

    Imagine if Andrew Bolt gave a lecture entitled “honour killings are morally justified”.

  142. Peter from SA

    I’ve lost respect for Salman Rushdie that he is willing to appear on the same bill as an ‘honour killing’ booster.

    I suspect he has no idea? I’m not sure invitees get to veto the list at Writer’s Festival’s? they just get to demand what kind of mineral water they want in their 5-star hotel.

  143. JC

    @JaneCaro @clementine_ford @emfarrelly @clembastow Hey girls, are you supportive of this talk at the Festivus?
    http://tinyurl.com/mhcvzc2

  144. cynical1

    Ms Mossop, I have a proposal: the next Festival of Dangerous Ideas should host a speaker who’ll argue that the Nazis were morally justified in attempting to exterminate Europe’s Jews.

    Holy shit are you mad?

    It will have funding and a speaker by Friday morning..

  145. Aristogeiton

    Gab
    #1358857, posted on June 24, 2014 at 8:57 pm
    Imagine if Andrew Bolt gave a lecture entitled “honour killings are morally justified”.

    No, imagine he gave a lecture entitled ‘We should dismantle the welfare state’. Cue howls of outrage. We wouldn’t be hearing crickets, that’s for sure.

  146. JC

    @JaneCaro @clementine_ford @emfarrelly @clembastow Every Blair Frightbat hasn’t made said a peep. Guessing you’re all busy with house work?

  147. .

    John Humphreys had a similar topic in 2009 Aristogeiton.

    However, it has gone from a half arsed attempt at balance to a full on lefty wankfest.

  148. You evidently didn’t read the FDI press release: he’s not inciting honour killings (I’m sure he’ll be very careful not to), but justifying them morally.

    So if I said murdering Muslims was morally right, I wouldn’t be inciting violence against them? Pigs arse. Give it five years and the left will be sympathizing with gassing millions, as long as they are appropriately unsavory ie da joos, unreconstructed Christians etc.

  149. mundi

    Its amazing how he has a point – but comes to the wrong conclusion. Instead of justifying honor killings because of honor killings for nations etc. he misses the point that all the killings are just as bad.

  150. jupes

    The problem is the behaviour of individual violent nutters, not the existence of law-abiding religious people.

    No the problem is the law-abiding religious people who hide, protect and run interference for the nutters.

  151. cynical1

    Things like this make me feel like donning chain mail and a big red cross, then picking up the sword …

    Meh. A10 warthog for me.

    They may be stuck in the dark ages…

  152. Aristogeiton

    jupes
    #1358875, posted on June 24, 2014 at 9:04 pm
    The problem is the behaviour of individual violent nutters, not the existence of law-abiding religious people.

    No the problem is the law-abiding religious people who hide, protect and run interference for the nutters.

    Yes. We all know what you think.

  153. Roger

    Yes it does, Roger, but all I hear are crickets.
    Yes, I’ve noticed the crickets too, nilk. But as I said, happy to be proven wrong anytime. Waiting for 30th August. Further, the Libertarians don’t seem to adequately grasp the “collectivist” mindset of Islam, for want of a better term (Islamic sectarianism notwithstanding – if there’s one thing they all appear to agree on it is that the West is evil). I feel like Hamlet speaking to Horatio, “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy”, such as the power of a violent, totalitarian and deeply tribal religion to extinguish rational dissent.

  154. Notafan

    Aristo, I think the author is writing as an ESL as are quite a few of the commentators. It’s a bit of a slog, I agree.

  155. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1358865, posted on June 24, 2014 at 9:01 pm
    John Humphreys had a similar topic in 2009 Aristogeiton.

    However, it has gone from a half arsed attempt at balance to a full on lefty wankfest.

    Yeah. I’m still waiting for the outraged response of ‘feminists’ everywhere.

  156. Infidel Tiger

    I get this. But where, globally, are the moderate muslim voices?

    We killed those fuckers to preserve our honour.

  157. jupes

    … he misses the point that all the killings are just as bad.

    So killing Japs on the Kokoda Track is ‘just as bad’ as killing your daughter for wanting to date a Kaffir?

    Way to miss the point dickhead.

  158. Tom

    @JaneCaro @clementine_ford @emfarrelly @clembastow Every Blair Frightbat hasn’t made said a peep. Guessing you’re all busy with house work?

    JC wins the Twitternet.

  159. feelthebern

    Just after a particularly nasty bout of questionable behaviour at my former employ – by management – mr long staff came in and held an ethics forum.
    It was even described as an ethics car wash at the time.
    It was the biggest tick a box exercise I have ever seen.
    Shortly there after the management in question were retired.
    As were those managers managers.
    And we never saw mr long staff again.
    But I’m sure his 20,000 fee wasn’t returned.

  160. nilk

    o1.2 The following are not subject to retaliation:

    (1) a child or insane person, under any circumstances (O: whether Muslim or non-Muslim.The ruling for a person intermittently insane is that he is considered as a sane person when in his right mind, and as if someone continuously insane when in an interval of insanity. If someone against whom retaliation is obligatory subsequently becomes insane, the full penalty is nevertheless exacted. A homicide committed by someone who is drunk is (A: considered the same as that of a sane person,) like his pronouncing divorce (dis:n1.2));

    (2) a Muslim for killing a non-Muslim:

    (3) a Jewish or Christian subject of the Islamic state for killing an apostate from Islam (O: because a subject of the state is under its protection, while killing an apostate from Islam is without consequences);

    (4) a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring:

    (5) nor is retaliation permissible to a descendant for (A: his ancestor’s) killing someone whose death would otherwise entitle the descendant to retaliate, such as when his father kills his mother.

    from The Reliance of the Traveller, Revised Edition, Amana Publications 2008 ed. pp 583-4

  161. Peter from SA

    Meh. A10 warthog for me.

    Does the gatling gun on that thing still fire 30mm depleted uranium shells? or were they “outlawed” after the first Gulf War?

  162. David

    Apologies Gab. Not up with the shorthand.

  163. Rabz

    Give it five years and the left will be sympathizing with gassing millions, as long as they are appropriately unsavory ie da joos, unreconstructed Christians etc.

    Five years?! At the rate these leftist fuckwits are mentally degenerating we’ll be lucky if it’s two.

  164. .

    feelthebern
    #1358891, posted on June 24, 2014 at 9:11 pm
    Just after a particularly nasty bout of questionable behaviour at my former employ – by management – mr long staff came in and held an ethics forum.
    It was even described as an ethics car wash at the time.
    It was the biggest tick a box exercise I have ever seen.
    Shortly there after the management in question were retired.
    As were those managers managers.
    And we never saw mr long staff again.
    But I’m sure his 20,000 fee wasn’t returned.

    Damn son. Where can I obtain an ethics diploma?

  165. Gab

    No apologies needed, David, Was just explaining how some things work, is all :) as I knew you were unaware.

  166. Pete of Perth

    Imagine the uproar if someone launch a bacon sandwich at him.

  167. Aristogeiton

    Rabz
    #1358898, posted on June 24, 2014 at 9:14 pm
    Give it five years and the left will be sympathizing with gassing millions, as long as they are appropriately unsavory ie da joos, unreconstructed Christians etc.

    Five years?! At the rate these leftist fuckwits are mentally degenerating we’ll be lucky if it’s two.

    Where the fuck are the left? They’ll turn at at Geert Wilders’ talks and beat up pensioners. Will they turn up to denounce this murderous fuck and his sick little cabal? Fuck no.

  168. Pete of Perth

    launch launched

  169. oldsalt

    Roger, the ‘collectivist mindset’ of Islam is most likely to be found in cultures where group values, rights and responsibilities, rather than an emphasis on the individual, are dominant. Hence an offence, perceived or real against a member of the group, is interpreted as an attack on the whole. You often find the same reaction among Christians living alongside Muslims in those cultures.

  170. Peter from SA

    @JaneCaro @clementine_ford @emfarrelly @clembastow Every Blair Frightbat hasn’t made said a peep. Guessing you’re all busy with house work?

    JC: presume these all go through to the keeper, although amusing to think they might cause moments of angst (e.g. is this funny sarc/irony I don’t understand?). Presume you’d post any replies you ever get?

    (NB do lefties monitor their own Twitter or does the government pay for people to do it for them?)

  171. Baldrick

    Roger, the ‘collectivist mindset’ of Islam is most likely to be found …

    … at the pointy end of an AK47.

  172. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    Saw part of a show tonight ,a Turkish muslim was telling a Yank about Troy! A Greek city that existed thousands of years before allah,mohammed or turks were invented.Get the sheep export boats to cart all muslims back home where they belong,except for those who have been citizens for 70 years .

  173. nilk

    Destroy the Joint (facebook link) are upset about it.

    As is Jenna Price:

    Jenna Price ‏@JennaPrice

    The curators of #FODI think it’s ok to discuss honour killings. There’s no honour in that. #destroythejoint https://www.facebook.com/DestroyTheJoint/posts/710234879024259

  174. brc

    That’s not really fair – most people just want to get on with their lives. When was the last time that any of us condemned any and every dickhead westerner? Okay – we do some of it around here, but most people don’t.

    Andrew Bolt does try and at least make a go at it. I’m not his biggest fan, but he does call out d.heads when he sees them.

  175. Infidel Tiger

    Destroy the Joint (facebook link) are upset about it.

    As is Jenna Price:

    Read the comments. Half the Sistas think the talk is a great idea and nothing do with killing bitches.

  176. Gab

    Read the comments. Half the Sistas think the talk is a great idea and nothing do with killing bitches.

    Tell them Andrew Bolt is giving the lecture and watch them turn into snarling hell-hounds.

  177. Peter from SA

    Read the comments. Half the Sistas think the talk is a great idea and nothing do with killing bitches.

    thx for dissing my vibe IT. for 20 seconds I was happy they’d be getting into each other …

  178. David

    Meh. A10 warthog for me

    With either a big Red Cross or blue Star of David on the wings and fuselage. Do the job nicely.

    Thanks for the info Gab.

  179. .

    IT

    What Aristogeiton said was right.

    Free markets = HITLER
    Advocating honour killings = DESTROYING THE PATRIARCHY

    Dumb bints.

  180. oldsalt

    Sir Fred, your decree has just initiated the forced deportation of all Christmas and Cocos Islanders, who became citizens after your cut-off date

  181. nilk

    Read the comments. Half the Sistas think the talk is a great idea and nothing do with killing bitches.

    I know, but far canal it’s got to be a first.

  182. brc

    I’d believe those tweets a bit more if they used the same sort of language as they reserve for someone who suggested cutting the tax rate by 5% and perhaps selling off the ABC. And it’s nothing like the bile reserved for someone who suggests that maybe all that co2 hasn’t made the weather any different after all.

    It reeks of having to discard a traveller who went a bit far this time, rather than genuine revulsion.

    When they turn up in the black shirts with white insults and chant against this guy, then I’ll believe they are actually outraged.

  183. Peter from SA

    Saw part of a show tonight ,a Turkish muslim was telling a Yank about Troy! A Greek city that existed thousands of years before allah,mohammed or turks were invented.Get the sheep export boats to cart all muslims back home where they belong,except for those who have been citizens for 70 years .

    Interesting thing that around 1920 the Greeks and Turks did a massive population swap to clear minorities that had been in each others’ territory for hundreds or thousands of years. Very sad, but essentially (Northern Cyrus excepted) they have been peaceful NATO allies since. Makes the idea of a three state Iraq seem plausible, but many will lose their homes.

  184. Peter from SA

    Cyrus = Cyprus

  185. Notafan

    Peter the Turks massacred the Greeks in that swap, I have Greeks colleagues descending from that swap who despise the Turks. Ms ab fab intervied an elderly Greek who was six at the time of the swap who cried as every adult man including his father, in.their village was murdered and they were only allowed to take what they could carry in.their hands.

  186. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    It is rumoured that people who are against the Supermosk to be built in Bendigo Victoria,have spread large amounts of Pig Shit all over the site! The consequences for any raghead who goes there will be felt when they get to paradise to meet Big Al and Mo,straight to. Hell you go lads! satan awaits you?

  187. Roger

    Roger, the ‘collectivist mindset’ of Islam is most likely to be found in cultures where group values, rights and responsibilities, rather than an emphasis on the individual, are dominant.
    Hello oldsalt,
    You’re describing most of the world apart from W. Europe and the Anglosphere.
    Islam adds religious sanction for murder to the mix.
    Great, eh?

  188. feelthebern

    They just pulled him.
    Gooooone

  189. feelthebern

    Paul Murray just announce it.

  190. Nic

    Wait till they find out what he thinks of gays. Funny how no one has asked him

  191. A Lurker

    Looks like the Sydney Opera House got cold feet after feeling a lot of community heat about this.

    Sydney Opera House statement on cancellation of Uthman Badar’s session at Festival of Dangerous Ideas 2014:

    The Festival of Dangerous Ideas is intended to be a provocation to thought and discussion, rather than simply a provocation. It is always a matter of balance and judgement, and in this case a line has been crossed. Accordingly, we have decided not to proceed with the scheduled session with Uthman Badar. It is clear from the public reaction that the title has given the wrong impression of what Mr Badar intended to discuss. Neither Mr Badar, the St James Ethics Centre, nor Sydney Opera House in any way advocates honour killings or condones any form of violence against women.

    Good! It was mindbogglingly stupid of them to think that this was lecture was in any way appropriate.
    Perhaps the timeslot could be otherwise used in a ‘dangerous’ discussion about whether or not we should continue to draw immigrants from countries with certain inappropriate cultural practices.

  192. Peter from SA

    Notafan: yes the Turks did all kinds of indefensible crap, including against Armenia. But the simple fact is they did exchange populations and have been peaceful since, when that once seemed impossible. I don’t like the whole thing, as it suggests “ethnic cleansing” … but if this has resulted in peace? Again I don’t condone anything by any of the countries involved, but I wonder if it is the only solution with certain conflicts like the Iraqi one that seem interminable.

  193. .

    I don’t like the whole thing, as it suggests “ethnic cleansing” … but if this has resulted in peace?

    I’m never going to approve of it. Ever.

  194. feelthebern

    I forgot to mention.
    At the ethics forum that longstaff ran at my former employer, he wore a short sleeve shirt, woollen vest, and tie.

    I said to a colleague, if he lost the vest he’d do a good sipowicz impersonation – long staff was carrying a lot more weight back then.

  195. Sinclair Davidson

    New thread – Festival of Dangerous Ideas has cancelled.

  196. Peter from SA

    New thread – Festival of Dangerous Ideas has cancelled.

    ha … one of those missing commas things? I’d thought you’d cancelled the FDI thread, Sinc, beacause it had become too dangerous??

  197. red breast

    10pm Sydney time, 2gb announces the Opera House has cancelled the booking and it will not go ahead at the Opera House

  198. Davey Boy

    handy link to email Samsung Australia CEO http://www.samsung.com/au/support/main/supportMain.do (towards the bottom). Mentioned that I’m now a lifetime detractor, if Samsung uses NPS they will understand.

  199. oldsalt

    Depends how you define Anglosphere, certainly some formerly pink bits on the map of Africa are not immune to Islamic expansion. Some of the Christian enclaves in SE Asia are true miracles having resisted the lure of polygamy which Islam offered their animist forebears. Now, if the PRC ever converts …

  200. Tel

    By taking a particular cultural view of honour, some killings are condemned whilst others are celebrated.

    The notion of honour is intrinsically tied up with what’s good and bad, right and wrong etc, so let’s consider… what happens when we abandon all particular cultural views? We either come up with a universal notion of right and wrong, that is so widespread and so broadly acceptable, that it transcends culture, or else we abandon the whole idea of right and wrong altogether.

    In the former case, if you were looking for some very broad and basic law that just about everyone other than total extremists can accept, then a prohibition on aggression and murder would probably be where it starts. I mean, any culture that actively promotes murder is not a civilization at all, it’s a pit fight. A temporary pit fight, as all pit fights must be. The very most elemental starting point of civilization is a truce between individuals: I agree not to murder you in your sleep on condition that you agree not to do it to me. That’s the “golden rule” right? The foundation of ethics, etc.

    The only exception that people can feel comfortable with is the idea of self defence. Individuals are entitled to use violence:
    [1] as an absolute last resort when better options just are not available; and
    [2] only in defence when someone else is directly threatening you and this is real, not just made up shit.

    Those are the most basic things, prohibition against aggressive violence, plus a special exception for legitimate defence. If you want to add contract law and a few property rights you have a minimalist libertarian legal system, but let’s not get into any cultural specifics… those are the basics that are massively widespread, wherever you come from.

    So what do you get when you abandon the notion of good and evil completely? Suppose we want to totally avoid the slightest cultural implication — anything can be good, anything can be evil, we have no rules at all. Where does that end up? Well, in a nutshell if you want to go that way, then the powerful can not only condemn the powerless, if there are no rules it would seem that the powerful can do whatever the hell they fell like. That’s the generally accepted gist of being powerful.

    So let’s get this straight, Uthman Badar does want rules to constrain the powerful and protect the powerless, but also he doesn’t want to accept anyone else’s rules, other than the ones he happens to decide are convenient to himself… and he wants powerful people to lend a hand and support him in that… even when those powerful people got to be powerful by following their own (totally different) set of rules.

    Not dangerous, just hypocritical and stupid.

  201. Andrew

    It is clear from the public reaction that the title has given the wrong impression of what Mr Badar intended to discuss.

    Wrong impression indeed. He meant to give a speech entitled “Honour Killings are Never Morally Justified” and the incompetent printer left out a key word and completely stuffed up his meaning. He actually belongs to the arm of Hizb-ut-Ta’rir that believes an Islamic Caliphate does NOT have to include all that stuff mentioned in the (now quite dated, and figuratively written for a 7th century audience) Koran.

  202. Roger

    Now, if the PRC ever converts …
    Not a chance, old salt. The majority of religious conversions in China by far are to Christianity, and because it’s China, we’re talking serious numbers. It will be interesting, to say the least, to observe the impact of these conversion upon the ChiCom hegemony over the next 10 or so years.

    Now, as to the cancellation of Badar’s speech, was it simply because of pressure or because of a principled rejection of his position?

  203. Tel

    Now, as to the cancellation of Badar’s speech, was it simply because of pressure or because of a principled rejection of his position?

    A few phonecalls and they calculated the likelihood of defending the indefensible… not good on this occasion.

  204. Perfidious Albino

    Sinc, the reticence of your colleagues is understandable but ultimately, good men being silent = triumph of evil (excuse the lazy paraphrase).

    Good that this particular piece of agitprop has now been kicked into touch though. Well done everyone.

  205. .

    Roger
    #1359067, posted on June 24, 2014 at 10:25 pm
    Now, if the PRC ever converts …
    Not a chance, old salt. The majority of religious conversions in China by far are to Christianity, and because it’s China, we’re talking serious numbers. It will be interesting, to say the least, to observe the impact of these conversion upon the ChiCom hegemony over the next 10 or so years.

    Now, as to the cancellation of Badar’s speech, was it simply because of pressure or because of a principled rejection of his position?

    Is there a chance it might topple the regime or have they totally co-opted the ‘approved’ Episcopacy?

  206. Clam Chowdah

    This guy is a fucking dog.

    Absolutely.

    I wonder if the Leftists have any dawning comprehension of the strange bedfellows they make when they seek to rebel against white patriarchy and conservatism.

  207. Marko

    The true, ugly, bearded face of the 21st century bigoted thug. It’s nothing to do with the “powerful condemning the powerless”, rather the (‘secular white’) civilised condemning the barbaric.

  208. oldsalt

    Yes serious numbers and history is full of ridiculous improbabilities.

    I have Missionary friends who firmly believe it will one day be majority Christian. Their conviction is informed by the experience of their Missionary Orders in SE Asia among ethnic Chinese diaspora communities.

  209. Five years?! At the rate these leftist fuckwits are mentally degenerating we’ll be lucky if it’s two.

    Rabz, call me an optimist.

  210. It will be interesting, to say the least, to observe the impact of these conversion upon the ChiCom hegemony over the next 10 or so years.

    There are serious numbers of converts there. It could well end up being a mass conversion of Roman proportions.

  211. MT Isa Miner

    brc

    #1358848, posted on June 24, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    You guys shouldn’t be calling for boycotts or bans or anything else.

    Let it go ahead. Hope it gets recorded and uploaded to youtube (make sure that it does)

    Expose these hypocritical murder-loving thugs for what they are, using the most dangerous weapon of them all.

    Free Speech.

    ps. The man is scum for even thinking of talking about this. I think a good rejoinder would be ‘Why deporting muslims from Australia back to their country of origin is morally defensible’. Exhibit A would be this guys views. That would get them upset and focus the minds a little on living in a liberal democracy instead of a caliphate.

    never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake- exposing their true colours. Pity it is cancelled, damn shame in fact.

    Come on Cats, use the momentum of the other side for our advantage. We SHOULD shut up and give them more rope.

    I do like the Napier Suttee reply, but.

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