Wednesday Forum: July 2, 2014

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  1. Fisky

    Can we ditch the 2002-style discussion of Islam?

    2002? It’s more like the day after on Sept 12.

    “Nuke Mecca!!!”
    “Turn Kabul into a carpark!!”
    “Ban mosques!!” (god DAMN we’re hardasses!)

  2. Rococo Liberal

    Freedom of speech is the paramount freedom, Ari. I don’t know how it could override other freedoms.

    If I call you a silly sod for joining that tatting circle you say you’ve wanted to join for years, then I am hardly overriding your right to make lace in the company of whomesover you wish so to do, even I think that lace should be made in Bangladeshi sweat-shops.

    If I say that your worship of the belly button lint of Danish porn stars of the 1970s is silly, I’m not overriding your freedom to practise your religion.

    But, ‘ah,’ says Ari, dressed in the finest lace g-string to celebrate the 14th orgasm after Pantycost, ‘if you mock my religion and my club, then you are overriding my freedom to be a total git and not be offended.”

    My response would be: “Love the G-string, ducky, but I’m not overriding your right to be a git, and you have no right against being offended.”

  3. incoherent rambler

    Like the ‘freedom from racial vilification’?

    This freedom exists, try calling me (to my face) a 240lb, 6’5″”, white supremacist and see where that gets you.

  4. Infidel Tiger

    Yeah, It’s gone all Little Green Footballs around here.

  5. Aristogeiton

    Rococo Liberal
    #1369565, posted on July 4, 2014 at 4:51 pm
    [...]
    But, ‘ah,’ says Ari, dressed in the finest lace g-string to celebrate the 14th orgasm after Pantycost, ‘if you mock my religion and my club, then you are overriding my freedom to be a total git and not be offended.”

    My response would be: “Love the G-string, ducky, but I’m not overriding your right to be a git, and you have no right against being offended.”

    You stupid individual. You are free to mock my religious preference; that’s tolerance in the Millian sense. You are not, however, free to ban my religion (if indeed your idiotic sexual fantasy constitutes a ‘religion’). Got it?

  6. cohenite

    The founders of the Commonwealth, for example, saw fit to enshrine the principle of religious freedom in our Constitution. So you do want to abjure a principle essential to the identity of our society. You want to ban a religion, which has many adherents who live within our borders lawfully and productively. At least be honest with yourself about that.

    What I said was:

    The issue as I see it is how you deal with not just ideas as Furedi describes in your link but processes which actually physically threaten your society without losing the essential identity of your society. Do you ban islam or do you, as you seem to suggest, just muddle along and hope your society can withstand these threats.

    In short I posed the dilemma which you say I have resolved in the former at the expense of the former or societal form. Verballed.

    And again the equivalence; islam is the current problem but according to you we’ve seen it all before in the form of the papists. Fuck me now we have Henry the VIII in the mix.

    Anyway, your position is islam is no problem.

    I would think one solution is to redefine islam as a political system which would at least ground the purity of Aristogeiton’s arguments in the context of the sedition laws which is already occurring with the piecemeal banning of particular Islamic organisations such as al Qaeda, Jabhat al-Nusra and Boko Harum and others.

    With that in mind should Uhtman Badar’s group Hizb ut-Tahrir be banned? What threshold criteria should apply in a liberal democracy to justifify the banning of a group such as Hizb ut-Tahrir ?

  7. Fisky

    Can we ditch the 2002-style discussion of Islam?

    Even so, it only got worse over the following years, when people like Tariq Ramadan and Waleed Aly were considered serious intellectuals.

    FMD that was a whole decade of stupid.

  8. Fisky

    With that in mind should Uhtman Badar’s group Hizb ut-Tahrir be banned?

    WTF would we want to ban them?

  9. Aristogeiton

    incoherent rambler
    #1369566, posted on July 4, 2014 at 4:52 pm
    [...]
    This freedom exists, try calling me (to my face) a 240lb, 6’5″”, white supremacist and see where that gets you.

    I haven’t called you a white supremacist, nor do I propose to. You might be tall, but I can handle myself; don’t write me off. Also, what’s with the Imperial measurement? Is it 1969, or are you a Seppo?

  10. feelthebern

    FMD that was a whole decade of stupid.

    Two of the most stupid things I remember were:
    1) all those old biddy’s turning their back on Howard at some indigenous thing;
    2) all those protests about boat people out at Woomera (our wherever the fuck it was).

    Twitter & FB has made the lefties lazy.

  11. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1369571, posted on July 4, 2014 at 4:55 pm
    [...]
    I would think one solution is to redefine islam as a political system which would at least ground the purity of Aristogeiton’s arguments in the context of the sedition laws which is already occurring with the piecemeal banning of particular Islamic organisations such as al Qaeda, Jabhat al-Nusra and Boko Harum and others.

    You can call it a duck. That won’t make it quack.

  12. Shelley

    Rusty – agreed that. I nearly finished my comment along those lines i.e. ‘crazy old woman on train usurps RC(s)/new crazies in the Senate/issues of the economy/jobs et al’. It’s nuts.

  13. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1369571, posted on July 4, 2014 at 4:55 pm
    [...]
    Verballed.
    [...]
    Anyway, your position is islam is no problem.

    Irony.

    You want to ban Islam, cohenite. This is resolving to abridge religious freedom in favour of your Islamomania upon any fair reading.

  14. feelthebern

    1500 comments.
    This thread is as worn out as Paris Hiltons you know what.

  15. Aristogeiton

    feelthebern
    #1369575, posted on July 4, 2014 at 4:59 pm
    [...]
    2) all those protests about boat people out at Woomera (our wherever the fuck it was).

    The student unions used our compulsory donations to bus office-bearers out to Woomera to protest.

  16. val majkus

    can we send that Jakkie Bambi woman home or at least get her charged with offensive language?

  17. Shelley #1369476, posted on July 4, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    There has been some discussion on the Cat about leaving Australia. Just wondering if anyone has furthered their plans to do so, and where others might be looking to head?

    I’ve been living OS for a number of years and am grateful; the opportunities are boundless.

    Watching Australia being led in recent years by the ALP was unbearable and I believed the Coalition would create the conditions that might attract me back. I was wrong and I will remain where I am for the foreseeable future.

    I love Australia but she is going down the wrong road.

    We continue to clamor for those very qualities we are rendering impossible.

    You can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement that what our civilization needs is more “drive”, or dynamism, or self-sacrifice, or “creativity”.

    In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.

    C. S. Lewis

  18. cohenite

    You can call it a duck. That won’t make it quack.

    What a goose you are.

  19. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1369584, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:13 pm
    You can call it a duck. That won’t make it quack.

    What a goose you are.

    No, it’s a great idea. Just define your way out of your dilemma. “It’s not a religion, it’s a political system”. “It’s not murder, it’s an ‘honour killing”, e.t.c.

  20. Aristogeiton

    Grigory Potemkin
    #1369583, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:08 pm
    [...]
    I’ve been living OS for a number of years and am grateful; the opportunities are boundless.

    Where are you based, can I ask?

  21. Infidel Tiger

    There has been some discussion on the Cat about leaving Australia. Just wondering if anyone has furthered their plans to do so, and where others might be looking to head?

    Where does one go to escape rampant wowserism and leftism?

    The whole world’s a toilet as far as I can tell. We’re swimming in it.

  22. Hunt the little dickhead is moving to restrict the free travel and lawful pastimes of Australian citizens.

    However, feelthebern – no contender for the title of “commenter most conversant with any topic” turns this into a discussion about small dicks, with a side of “jihad support” thrown in.

    This must be a prize winning obtuse effort of some sort.

  23. Ari – Best not

    IT – You’re not wrong

  24. Aristogeiton

    Grigory Potemkin
    #1369590, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:29 pm
    Ari – Best not

    Fair enough :)

  25. Mike of Marion

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    #1369559, posted on July 4, 2014 at 4:45 pm

    Welcome back

  26. cohenite

    No, it’s a great idea. Just define your way out of your dilemma. “It’s not a religion, it’s a political system”. “It’s not murder, it’s an ‘honour killing”, e.t.c.

    Well done Aristogeiton; the nadir of equivalence sophistry and as good an example of Reductio ad Hitlerum as you could find; to wit any criticism of islam is as bad as islam.

    We’re fucked.

  27. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    With that in mind should Uhtman Badar’s group Hizb ut-Tahrir be banned?

    Yes. There’s very little doubt about that. it is true that it has not conducted any violent act in Australia, yet that is because it is under orders not to from the active terrorist organisations it feeds. it is here to recruit, propagandise and make money (mostly by laundering islamic Sydney-based and terrorist linked organised crime gangs in th heroin, cocaine and meth trades), and funnel it overseas where it funds a variety of Sunni terrorist organisations.

    The local chapter’s aim (irrespective of how realistic it is) is to ‘conquer’ Australia, destroy its culture and bring it into the ummah as part of the Sunni Caliphate, under that charmless version of Sunni sharia we see ISIS so enamoured of.

    This intent is inimically hostile to the country, and our culture. It has no place here and should be proscribed as the terrorist organisation it is.

    Next question.

  28. feelthebern

    This must be a prize winning obtuse effort of some sort.

    Are you drunk?

    “commenter most conversant with any topic”
    Do I have to get clearance from you before I post?

    As Darryl Kerrigan said: Fuck off dickhead

  29. Mike of Marion

    ABC wailing about the “alleged” return of illegal boaties to Sri Lankan Navy!!!!

    Wail, wail, wail

  30. Gab

    The local chapter’s aim (irrespective of how realistic it is) is to ‘conquer’ Australia, destroy its culture and bring it into the ummah as part of the Sunni Caliphate, under that charmless version of Sunni sharia we see ISIS so enamoured of. This intent is inimically hostile to the country, and our culture. It has no place here and should be proscribed as the terrorist organisation it is.

    Absolutely! It won’t be. of course, becuase they’re such cuddly little muzzies and all and the Left love them and the Libs don’t have the spine.

    Next question

    How long will it take them to make Australia part of the caliphate?

  31. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC #1369595, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    The local chapter’s aim… is to ‘conquer’ Australia

    If it becomes a shooting war, let me know Mk50, that’d be enough to lure me back.

  32. Infidel Tiger

    Is it true Dr Nitschke arranged the suicide of a healthy 45 yo because he was in debt?

    If so, can he please advise the ALP on appropriate medication.

  33. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    To the Cat (Peter of S.A.?) who recommended “Rising Sun, Falling Sky” on the subject of the Java Sea naval campaign of 1942, my thanks. A well written and informative title, indeed. Highly recommended.

  34. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1369594, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:31 pm
    [...]
    Well done Aristogeiton; the nadir of equivalence sophistry and as good an example of Reductio ad Hitlerum as you could find

    Sorry, where did I mention National Socialism? I don’t think you understand the ‘reductio ad Hitlerum’ at all.

  35. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How long will it take them to make Australia part of the caliphate?

    MEEEH – trying to impose the caliphate on this part of the Wild West would make the Boer War look like a teaparty…..

  36. Aristogeiton

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    #1369605, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:45 pm
    [...]
    MEEEH – trying to impose the caliphate on this part of the Wild West would make the Boer War look like a teaparty…..

    I’d be making a beeline to ZK2A or Mk50′s joint and seeking asylum. At least they have guns ;)

  37. Gab

    trying to impose the caliphate on this part of the Wild West would make the Boer War look like a teaparty…..

    It would be a gradual process, not an overt war. Like in Britain.

  38. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1369594, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    To take this discussion out of the area of controversy, what area of law do you practice in cohenite?

  39. Aristogeiton

    Was looking into gun ownership laws. I did not realise that it is so difficult to own a handgun in this country, even if registered and you are a member of a club etc. It’s almost impossible to own anything over a .38 too…

  40. John Comnenus

    Fisky,
    You are wrong re religion and the Constitution. The precedent setting high Court case (from memory) was the 1943 Crown v Adelaide Company of Seventh Day Adventists (I think). The Bench unanimously ruled that there is a limitation on the Constitutional protection of Freedom of Religion when the Religion threatens the community at large. From memory I think Justice Stark wrote the largest judgment. So that is the law in Australia. Being a threat to the community is not excused on the constitutional grounds of freedom of religion. One day, one of our gutless politicians or police might actually enforce the incitement laws via a via the publication and distribution of the Koran and take note of this judgment.

  41. Aristogeiton

    Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  42. Aristogeiton

    s. 116 has been interpreted narrowly, but thereagain, nobody has tried to ban a religion here before.

  43. Grigory M

    Can there be any doubt that Greg Hunt sits down to take a piss?

    calli – what say you about this? Is Bear reducing poor Greg to a mere woman?

  44. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    How long will it take them to make Australia part of the caliphate?

    For you, O lovely Gabrielle, I’ll answer. :)

    I don’t think they will. I am certain that a very large amount of blood will be spilled in the effort both overseas and, yes, here, yet I can see no way for them to successfully do it.

    Why? Because they are too fractured, fight each other more than they fight us, ALWAYS strike before they are even remotely ready (hey, allah Satan’s on their side donchaknow), are far too ready to resort to violence when they do not have to, and cannot possibly run a technological civilisation.

    Everywhere they rule you get exactly the same outcome as if the greenfilth were running the joint. They are far, far worse than socialists/communists in this regard, being completely unable to run a civilisation past a late medieval level.

    Which does not mean there will not be a lot of bloodshed in the interim.

    What will actually destroy them is when they get their hands on nuclear weapons, and use them. Richard Fernandex explores this here.

    And if that does not occur, one day the oil will run out. And these are honour-shame-familial trust societies, so they cannot survive this in a form which also enables them to be a technological civilisation. They are not able to innovate. This is the core failure of the arab version of islam – in the end, it’s a parasitic structure which kills the host.

    Witness Egypt. Even 150 years ago a regional power that exported food (60-80% still Christian), now an embeggared mendicant state which can’t even feed itself (90-95% islamic). They destroyed their civilisational capital – the Christians they lived off.

  45. John Comnenus

    Further to my last post, every Islamic terrorist claims they are directed to jihad as a religious duty as prescribed in either the Koran and or the Hadith. Why have our police never charged the publishers and distributors of these texts with incitement to murder?

    We don’t need new laws to fight Islamic terrorism. What we need is the courage to enforce our existing laws without fear or favour.

  46. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Grigory Potemkin:

    Bren guns. Any Bren guns where you are?

  47. JC

    Where does one go to escape rampant wowserism and leftism?

    The whole world’s a toilet as far as I can tell. We’re swimming in it.

    There are decent parts of the Caribbean where you don’t have to be a squillizionaire to gain access. You can still pik up a decent home in St Barts.

    You also need to place to get the fuck outta there during the hurricane season. Perhaps Miami.

    Also, believe it or not certain parts of central America are great where you’re still treated well for being white.

  48. Aristogeiton

    John Comnenus
    #1369618, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:56 pm
    Further to my last post, every Islamic terrorist claims they are directed to jihad as a religious duty as prescribed in either the Koran and or the Hadith. Why have our police never charged the publishers and distributors of these texts with incitement to murder?

    My understanding is that because ‘incitement’ is not mere encouragement or assertions that murder is morally justified. Perhaps if Pickles is around, being a criminal lawyer, he can shed some more light on this.

  49. JC

    Please! Enough muzzomania. It’s getting boring.

  50. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Bloody slackers!

    Look, it’s day 6 of the Ramadan Bombathon (TROP™) and they are only up to
    39 attacks by muslim terrorists
    262 slaughtered by muslim terrorists
    386 wounded by muslim terrorists

    They are never going to get over 2000 corpses at this rate.

  51. lotocoti

    It’s almost impossible to own anything over a .38 too…

    Considering what’s readily available at your friendly neighbourhood shop it can’t be that impossible.

  52. Andrew

    Brandis, has magically converted a political win into a lose-lose situation. Great work George.

    If you thing 18C repeal was a political win, you’re on drugs. I’m yet to hear a single person ever support it (I mean a live human, as opposed to on a blog). I may never encounter an actual opponent of it, despite it’s reprehensible history and the total scumbaggery of its supporters.

  53. Andrew

    Re the woman on the train – she was disgusting, but I feel it came from a place of mental instability rather than pure racism – she was having a go at everyone – children, adults and the guy and Asian girl. But what really irks me in this new digital age is the continual filming and uploading of the video by bystanders. It is a real ‘gotcha in public’ moment.

    Had she been an Aboriginal woman who looks likeBess Price, off her face screaming “go home to your fucking country you filthy white c-units” what do people thing the odds of prosecution would be?

  54. Infidel Tiger

    There are decent parts of the Caribbean where you don’t have to be a squillizionaire to gain access. You can still pik up a decent home in St Barts.

    You also need to place to get the fuck outta there during the hurricane season. Perhaps Miami.

    Also, believe it or not certain parts of central America are great where you’re still treated well for being white.

    What do I do for work?

    Remember I’m married with kids, so manwhoring is probably not an option.

  55. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    It would be a gradual process, not an overt war

    Given the drinking habits of most of the locals out here, the first shots would probably be fired veeery soon after the ban on alcohol. Good luck trying to ban dogs as “unclean” in a sheep farming area.

  56. calli

    FMD that was a whole decade of stupid.

    Every decade is stupid in its own way (to misquote Tolstoy). In seven year’s time, we will be shaking our heads sagely about thus one.

    Grigory at 5:55… Oi! I never said that…check upthread…

    As for poor Madam Rant, I’m waiting for all the handwringing in the MSM when she has her breakdown…

  57. As Darryl Kerrigan said: Fuck off dickhead

    feelthebern is all class!

  58. cohenite

    To take this discussion out of the area of controversy, what area of law do you practice in cohenite?

    ?

    Whatever pays the most, I’m not a legal purist like you Aristogeiton.

  59. JC

    Ummm well there’s no work other than basic junk, or you can learn to trade stocks, bonds and currencies. There’s only a few things to do, go to the beach and gawk at the Frog/Italian gals, go to the gym and gawk, play golf /tennis, or just hang around the house. If your house is high enough on the cliff at St. Barts you can play guess-which-plane-overruns-the-runnway. That one is fun.

  60. Peter from SA

    To the Cat (Peter of S.A.?) who recommended “Rising Sun, Falling Sky”

    Yes, that was me ZK … thanks for the mention … glad you’re enjoying it …

  61. America, land of the free:
    http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/90626524888/enjoy-your-freedom

    Good stuff I.T.
    My favourite is: “This entire park is under video surveillance”

    Which part of California (or Washington) state is that photo taken?

  62. Aristogeiton

    lotocoti
    #1369626, posted on July 4, 2014 at 6:02 pm
    It’s almost impossible to own anything over a .38 too…

    Considering what’s readily available at your friendly neighbourhood shop it can’t be that impossible.

    Legally.

  63. Gab

    Thanks, Mk50. I do not disregard your knowledgeable and considered opinion. However, I remain somewhat unconvinced. On one hand, they are killing off each other. On the other hand, some have become clued up that physical aggression is not the way to spread Islam and shar’ia to the West. Has the world ever seen such large migratory numbers of muslims as we are seeing today? Then on the other other hand, the Left are their useful idiots as are our laws (18C and RDA, for example) and our customary pc-mindlessness. These will be used against us to good effect. Yeah, some will still resort to violence as you have explained above, but the greater concern is creeping islamic “values” instituted into Western civilization by stealth, through our politics, schools, media, food, etc. This is far more dangerous and far more effective.

    An interesting perspective about the caliphate:

    Since the dissolution of the Ottoman Caliphate in 1924 — which was no longer anything more than a symbolic figurehead — the only active Islamic Caliphate that has existed in the world for the past century has been the Ahmadiyya Caliphate, and its head is known as the Khalifa-tul Masīh (‘Caliph of the Messiah’) in Arabic. Caliph V, His Holiness Mirza Masroor Ahmad, is the fifth and current Caliph of Islam as accepted by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community. Prime Minister Stephen Harper has called him a ‘champion of peace’. Minister of Foreign Affairs John Baird as well as Liberal Part of Canada Justin Trudeau have both personally met him. He is the only Muslim leader to deliver a speech at the European Parliament in Brussels which was about responding to the challenge of extremism.” He also delivered a speech at United States Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C. attended by politicians of both Republican and Democratic parties, in which he outlined the Islamic solution to peace and condemned American foreign policy in which they extract resources from Muslim countries while initiating war.

    He has also sent letters of warning to former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran as well as the Grand Ayatollah of Iran, Sayyed Ali Hosseini Khamenei, Pope Benedict XVI, President Barack Obama of the USA, Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada, Prime Minister David Cameron of the United Kingdom, Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, President François Hollande of France, Premier Wen Jiabao of China, and King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz al-Saud of Saudi Arabia urging them to create peace in the world to avoid a World War III, which he thinks is imminent from the current situation in the world.

    He has recently also vehemently condemned the atrocities of ISIS and said recently in a press interview that the actions and statements of ISIS, who pretend to represent Islam run entirely contrary to Islam.” He continued to state that:

    Extremist Islamic groups and the so-called Caliphate that extremists are trying to establish in the Middle East are a complete betrayal of the true peaceful teachings of Islam and will never succeed. These groups have attached their own cruel ambitions to an institution (Caliphate) that in reality seeks to champion the rights of all people.

    Let me make it clear that the institution of Caliphate leading the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has no interest in power or government. Rest assured that true Caliphate has no worldly or political objectives.

    Believe it or not.

  64. cynical1

    And of course this dickhead is opposed to it because he doesn’t like the sort of people who come home with a rhino head. What a despicable little wanker.

    Maybe someone could start tours to Iraq.

    Just shoot em.

    You don’t need to bring the ISIS heads home…

  65. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1369637, posted on July 4, 2014 at 6:15 pm
    [...]
    Whatever pays the most, I’m not a legal purist like you Aristogeiton.

    Neither am I, cohenite. The law is an ass.

  66. calli

    Oh I get it…mere woman…sitting to pee…

    Well, maybe he is, and maybe he isn’t. Perhaps if Greg Hunt were to comment on the Cat it would make a good stouch…Bear vs Hunt.

  67. Steve of Glasshouse

    Gab..until I see a coalition of Saudi and other troops wiping out ISIL, restoring Iraq, and the leaving, they are speaking through their collective arses. Their armies are only good for policing their own citizens IMO.

  68. Gab

    Had she been an Aboriginal woman who looks likeBess Price, off her face screaming “go home to your fucking country you filthy white c-units” what do people thing the odds of prosecution would be?

    Wasn’t there a white woman a couple months back screaming at fellow passengers on a train (or a bus) ranting on about her Aboriginal ancestry and being racist and abusive it with it? Bet she never got arrested and charged.

  69. egg_

    Please! Enough muzzomania. It’s getting boring.

    Zzzzzzzzzz… huh? Wha?

  70. oldsalt

    Gab these are the Ahmadis I posted about on the New Era in the Senate thread. All half a mill in Indonesia would very much like to come here and the Sunnis there would like to help them leave. A resumption of the attacks which took place a few years back may yet see ‘Bott and Scott crawling sideways like Christmas island crabs.

  71. Grigory M

    All good then, calli – just wanted to clear that up – ta.

    Btw – what is a “stouch”?

  72. nic

    Had she been an Aboriginal woman who looks likeBess Price, off her face screaming “go home to your fucking country you filthy white c-units” what do people thing the odds of prosecution would be?

    A 13 year old white girl on the other hand….

  73. Cheryl

    I remember that Gab. Can you find that? I’m sick of feeling like a minority in this country. My husband is absolutely fed up with living here. What tipped him over was the “check your privilege ” crap.
    He and I have worked our guts out in our business and put up with employing some staff that have the nerve to post shit on Facebook claiming we don’t know how to run it! Sacked them of course.
    This PC crap is killing us.
    Kind regards to you and yours.

  74. calli

    It’s a spelling mistake. Another mystery cleared up…

  75. C.L.

    Is it true Dr Nitschke arranged the suicide of a healthy 45 yo because he was in debt?

    He personally cut the throat of a healthy dog because he felt like it.

    But look over there, Assistant Police Commissioner. A crazy granny on a bus.

  76. put up with employing some staff that have the nerve to post shit on Facebook claiming we don’t know how to run it!

    I feel your pain. But they’re only posting on Facebook what they’ve always said.

    For anyone who has staff, Facebook is like the magic pudding!

  77. Grigory M

    Ah – thought as much. But, Dedders wasn’t here, so I thought I’d check with you.

    Btw – you’re not suggesting that Bear is in the same sitting down category as Hunt are you?

  78. jumpnmcar

    At the end of the day Abbott allows more genuine refugees than Gilliarudd did and no drownings.
    So any criticism by the UNHCR, the ABC or anyone else on the left is crap.

    https://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/60refugee.htm

  79. C.L.

    The thing that always made me laugh about the decade of stupid Fisk refers to, when so many on the right were pretending to be great and sensitive friends to good guy Muslims – “inshallah,” many of them exclaimed (embarrassingly) at Arthur Chrenkoff’s blog – were the earnest discussions of Islamic ‘hadiths’ and so on. Muslims loved that shit. For the first time ever they felt somebody in the West gave a crap about their dopey, meteor-worshipping religion. It only encouraged them.

  80. C.L.

    If the refugee branch stacking and drowning lobby succeeds in getting the High Court to strike down how Morrison is dealing with “asylum seekers,” the Abbott government should give serious thought to changing the Constitution, giving explicit powers to the Commonwealth to make any laws deemed necessary to manage sovereign borders, notwithstanding section 51 or any treaty, international agreement or instrument.

  81. Peter from SA

    At the end of the day Abbott allows more genuine refugees than Gilliarudd did and no drownings.
    So any criticism by the UNHCR, the ABC or anyone else on the left is crap.

    Jumpnmcar: nice post. I checked it out but would 12/13 reflect the last year of Gillard … that seems to be the most recent year unless I’m missing the obvious?

    The other interesting thing is that the country ranked no.4 for Australian refugee visas … with over 1,000 claimants … was Bhutan. Was this not the country that Channel 9 (and others I suspect) said was the best on earth because of it’s “Happiness Index”??

  82. John Comnenus

    Aristo,

    The point is that if the Koran and or Hadith says you have to kill infidels to be a good Muslim, then I can’t see any defence against incitement when a Muslim takes that literally and acts. Would welcome a lawyers view.

  83. Peter from SA

    the Abbott government should give serious thought to changing the Constitution, giving explicit powers to the Commonwealth to make any laws deemed necessary to manage sovereign borders, notwithstanding section 51 or any treaty, international agreement or instrument.

    This is a good point. It seems to me that the UNHCR rules are set in the late 1940s when somebody would arrive over a border and further travel would be too expensive or difficult. Now that air travel is relatively accessible even for people from “poor” nations they can go where they like … and they are rewarded by the “rules” in ditching their paperwork. I bet if one country was gutsy enough to withdraw from this convention, or change it, others would follow.

  84. oldsalt

    Nitschke. I got belted for telling the story before but seeing he’s put his head over the sandbags I’ll do it again.

    Chief Minister Marshall Perron was experiencing a family tragedy which led him to re-examine his attitude to euthanasia. His adviser, a Sydney lawyer otherwise preoccupied trolling for Asian women at the casino, told him he could go public with the euthanasia issue and wedge the Catholic Stone, who was counting numbers to roll him. He got rolled anyway.

    Nietschke was working at Darwin hospital, fretting about US Naval visits, which he wanted banned because they wouldn’t declare nuclear status. There was talk he didn’t want US sailors treated at the hospital. His employer told him to pull his skull in a number of times and when he didn’t he was sacked. He used the nuclear issue to stand for election and lost. Only then did he turn to euthanasia as a new vehicle for public recognition.

  85. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC #1369620, posted on July 4, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    Grigory Potemkin:

    Bren guns. Any Bren guns where you are?

    No

  86. Makka

    “How long will it take them to make Australia part of the caliphate?”

    How long will be determined by the rate they breed. They don’t have to take over by force of arms. They just have to vote the infidels out. That’s the plan.

  87. john constantine

    banning shooting tourists from going overseas, step one.

    banning old bald short fat wife beaters from going overseas to shag 5 buck hookers, and bring back trophies. step two. [no not trophy wives, i meant to make a funny about multi-drug resistant syphilis].

  88. Zaphod


    He personally cut the throat of a healthy dog because he felt like it.

    “Nitschke went to high school in Adelaide, boarding with a family he didn’t know, where he was sexually assaulted by the man of the house. As a way of escaping the situation, he took a hunting knife and slit the throat of the family’s pet dog, something that, robbed of context, has been used against him ever since.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/between-life-and-death-20130826-2skl0.html#ixzz36UQtXf93

  89. Aristogeiton

    John Comnenus
    #1369677, posted on July 4, 2014 at 7:08 pm
    Aristo,

    The point is that if the Koran and or Hadith says you have to kill infidels to be a good Muslim, then I can’t see any defence against incitement when a Muslim takes that literally and acts. Would welcome a lawyers view.

    Who are you going to charge? The Koran? As I noted above, the expansive meaning of ‘incitement’ you adopt isn’t part of the law.

  90. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    On the theme of the defense of the Netherlands East Indies, and the Philippines, in the opening months of the American involvement in World War Two – author unknown.

    “Dugout Doug MacArthur lies ashaking on the Rock
    Safe from all the bombers and from any sudden shock
    Dugout Doug is eating of the best food on Bataan
    And his troops go starving on

    Dugout Doug’s not timid, he’s just cautious, not afraid.
    He’s protecting carefully the stars that Franklin made
    Four star Generals are as rare as good food on Bataan
    And his troops go starving on.

    Dugout Doug is ready in his speedboat for the flee
    Over bounding billows and the wildly raging sea
    For the Japs are pounding on the gates of old Bataan
    And his troops go starving on

    We’ve fought the war the hard way since they said the fight was on
    All the way from Lingayen to the hills of old Bataan
    And will continue fighting after Dugout Doug has gone
    And still go starving on.”

  91. nic

    Just reading Sam De Brito’s article at the SMH. I was waiting for him to sing kumbayah. wanker.

  92. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Grigory P.:

    No.

    Bugger.

  93. John Comnenus

    Aristo,
    Publishers and distributors. It is not like they don’t know people are literally taking the obligation to kill infidels. Is there any warning or advice against killing infidels?

  94. Gab

    If the refugee branch stacking and drowning lobby succeeds in getting the High Court to strike down how Morrison is dealing with “asylum seekers,” the Abbott government should give serious thought to changing the Constitution, giving explicit powers to the Commonwealth to make any laws deemed necessary to manage sovereign borders, notwithstanding section 51 or any treaty, international agreement or instrument.

    LOL You’re kidding, right? This is the same government that runs and hides over section 18c – something they were quite vociferous about and adamant to repeal before the election.

  95. Aristogeiton

    John Comnenus
    #1369690, posted on July 4, 2014 at 7:30 pm
    Aristo,
    Publishers and distributors. It is not like they don’t know people are literally taking the obligation to kill infidels. Is there any warning or advice against killing infidels?

    I don’t know. Is there any warning or advice against paedophilia in Nabokov’s ‘Lolita’? Is there any warning or advice against stoning insolent children in the Bible?

  96. nic

    Is there any warning or advice against stoning insolent children in the Bible?

    hmmmm, it wasn’t all bad then.

  97. calli

    something that, robbed of context, has been used against him ever since.

    Robbed of context? Who kills an innocent family pet is such a horrible way?

    I know someone who was abused in similar circumstances who wouldn’t hurt a fly. He can’t even bait a hook.

  98. Gab

    Nitschke went to high school in Adelaide, boarding with a family he didn’t know, where he was sexually assaulted by the man of the house. As a way of escaping the situation, he took a hunting knife and slit the throat of the family’s pet dog, something that, robbed of context, has been used against him ever since.

    So he was a psychopath from early on. And now he’s turned those tendencies to getting people to kill themselves and all under the “noble” cause of euthanasia. He’s clever though, preying on weak and vulnerable humans and getting them to do his dirty work.

  99. candy

    Who kills an innocent family pet is such a horrible way?

    A psychopath obsessed with watching death happen.

  100. Zaphod

    Robbed of context? Who kills an innocent family pet is such a horrible way?

    er…….someone who was sexually abused by the owner of the pet. Perhaps he should have killed the abuser.

  101. Can there be any doubt that Greg Hunt sits down to take a piss?

    Male Mahometans sit or squat to urinate. Sir Richard Burton, in his Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to Al-Madinah and Meccah, revealed that he was almost exposed as a feigned Mussulman when he was seen pissing whilst standing and quickly had to invent a spurious medical condition to explain his lapse; however, he did not, despite rumours which can still be found online, kill the witness.
    See also Herodotus on Egyptian customs:

    τὰ ἄχθεα οἱ μὲν ἄνδρες ἐπὶ τῶν κεφαλέων φορέουσι, αἱ δὲ γυναῖκες ἐπὶ τῶν ὤμων. οὐρέουσι αἱ μὲν γυναῖκες ὀρθαί, οἱ δὲ ἄνδρες κατήμενοι. (Historia, II. xxxv, 3)

    [Men in Egypt carry loads on their heads, women on their shoulders; women urinate standing up, men sitting down.]

  102. oldsalt

    ZK2A re defence of NEI, songs.

    The Doolan song composed by the Ambonese to celebrate the Australian gunner who single handedly held off the Japanese invasion forces, sung to a tune ‘The Rose in her Hair’ now remembered by only the hardcore Gaels of Newfoundland, is a beaut that I’m working on for revival.

    A lone Australian his name was Doolan
    Was gunned down by the roadside
    We buried him under the Gandaria tree
    Oh Mercy, his poor family couldn’t be there for him

  103. Gab

    Cheryl
    #1369664, posted on July 4, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    I remember that Gab. Can you find that?

    Hello Cheryl

    I had a quick search but cannot locate it. Sorry.

    Best to you and yours.

  104. calli

    er…….someone who was sexually abused by the owner of the pet. Perhaps he should have killed the abuser.

    Zaphod, I’m sure you don’t mean that…

    Perhaps he could have moved on to become a happy, productive member of the community like my friend.

    But he helps people to kill themselves instead…

  105. Aristogeiton

    Deadman
    #1369703, posted on July 4, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    Thanks Deadman. I learned a new verb: οὐρέω. Is my Middle Liddell’s rendering ‘to make water’ another example of lexicographical prudery?

  106. Aristogeiton

    Zaphod
    #1369702, posted on July 4, 2014 at 7:44 pm
    Robbed of context? Who kills an innocent family pet is such a horrible way?

    er…….someone who was sexually abused by the owner of the pet. Perhaps he should have killed the abuser.

    I wouldn’t have blamed him if he killed the dog and its owner.

  107. JC

    Arthur Miller in the New Yorker .

    Given the heat, people smelled, of course, but some smelled a lot worse than others. One cutter in my father’s shop was a horse in this respect, and my father, who normally had no sense of smell—no one understood why—claimed that he could smell this man and would address him only from a distance. In order to make as much money as possible, this fellow would start work at half past five in the morning and continue until midnight. He owned Bronx apartment houses and land in Florida and Jersey, and seemed half mad with greed. He had a powerful physique, a very straight spine, a tangle of hair, and a black shadow on his cheeks. He snorted like a horse as he pushed the cutting machine, following his patterns through some eighteen layers of winter-coat material. One late afternoon, he blinked his eyes hard against the burning sweat as he held down the material with his left hand and pressed the vertical, razor-sharp reciprocating blade with his right. The blade sliced through his index finger at the second joint. Angrily refusing to go to the hospital, he ran tap water over the stump, wrapped his hand in a towel, and went right on cutting, snorting, and stinking. When the blood began to show through the towel’s bunched layers, my father pulled the plug on the machine and ordered him to the hospital. But he was back at work the next morning, and worked right through the day and into the evening, as usual, piling up his apartment houses.

  108. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Mrs Two Alpha has given strict instructions that my library is to be tidy, “before you have your first pre dinner Scotch. You will not shut the door, and claim it is a place of secret men’s business.”

    The following piece of doggerel, found among the ruins -

    Conscripts vs Volunteers (Hostilities Only)

    It may be so – it’s wrong to doubt
    The voluntary system’s best
    Your conscript, when you’ve dug him out
    Has not the happy warrior’s zest.
    Because it seemed the thing to do
    I joined with other volunteers
    But – well, I don’t mind telling you
    I didn’t reckon on three years
    Though we observe the Higher Law
    And though we think our quarrel just
    Were I permitted to withdraw
    You wouldn’t see my ar$e for dust.

    Anonymous Australian infantryman, 1917.

  109. Gab

    That’s the one, notafan. Oh well, at least she’s on the same footing re the charges as the current one. Australia will be much much safer now. /sarc

  110. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Bren gun – good weapon:
    a. well weighted and balanced,
    b. easy to carry,
    c. accurate,
    d. .303 or 7.62 hitting power,
    e. simple gas system, and
    f. easy to maintain.

  111. incoherent rambler

    banning old bald short fat wife beaters from going overseas to shag 5 buck hookers

    That would never get ANY support from any of the ALP or LNP MPs and senators.

  112. Mike of Marion

    Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC
    and
    Grigory Potemkin

    Did you both have an opportunity to assess the Owen gun?

  113. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Did you both have a opportunity to assess the Owen gun?

    First automatic weapon I ever fired………..

  114. oldsalt

    ZK2A. By the same Anon

    I remember when I met him I liked him from the first,
    His smile was everlasting unquenchable his thirst,
    I ventured once to ask him what made him take to booze,
    And he said ‘Ah gee forget it, I drink because I choose.’

    That wasn’t quite an answer and he saw that I was hurt
    And hastened to repair things with an ‘Ah forget it Bert,’
    Of course I didn’t snub him and shook him by the hand,
    He’d fight like any Trojan yet in a bar one night
    An old man slammed a punch at him and he refused to fight.
    Yet when our Unit champion hit little bugler Ben
    he butted that raging bully and put him down for ten.

    So – when came the day for sailing to foreign parts unknown,
    We all had friends to cheer us but he was there alone,
    Until – a grey haired lady to her mother’s own delight
    Said ‘Son, I’ll keep on praying for you both day and night.’

    Too long this one but a goodun

  115. incoherent rambler

    banning old bald short fat wife beaters from going overseas to shag 5 buck hookers

    Would not work. Ministers of the crown need to travel overseas.

  116. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Bren (in .303) yes. Wonderful LMG. Owen, no. F1 yes. Lanchester, yes, excellent SMG. Sten yes and what a piece of rubbish. But is was a British made one and might have been a bad batch.

  117. old bald short fat wife beaters from going overseas to shag 5 buck hookers

    I’ve flown to the Phillipines a few times the plane was full of creepy pervs with dyed hair

  118. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    But it was a British made one and might have been a bad batch.

    Never heard anyone with a good word for the Sten gun “Stench” gun was the most unflattering nickname I heard. Didn’t the New Zealand Navy use the Lanchester for years after the War?

  119. incoherent rambler

    I’ve flown to the Phillipines a few times the plane was full of creepy pervs with dyed hair

    ALP ministers?

  120. Bren (in .303) yes. Wonderful LMG. Owen, no. F1 yes.

    My dad liked the Bren except it was a bit too accurate for an LMG, the owen i’d need to call dad & it’s too late for him. The F1 was a peice of shyte, the muzzle lift was horrendous and past 30 yards it was rubbish, it also had a tendency to jam on sustained fire.

    I obviously didn’t score too well with an F1 on the range.

  121. C.L.

    Nitschke went to high school in Adelaide, boarding with a family he didn’t know, where he was sexually assaulted by the man of the house. As a way of escaping the situation, he took a hunting knife and slit the throat of the family’s pet dog, something that, robbed of context, has been used against him ever since.

    LOL!

    Context, says Fairfax!

    He fucking slaughtered a dog because he felt like it.

  122. Driftforge

    Journalist in the Ukraine:

    Why don’t we use the American Constitution? It was written by really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and they’re not using it anymore…

  123. Hendrix

    This web filter thingymijig is not still a thing with the liberal party is it?

    https://www.openrightsgroup.org/press/releases/

  124. twostix

    Bet she never got arrested and charged.

    The moment it came out she was a white skinned koori the story was pulled off the front pages immediately.

  125. candy

    He fucking slaughtered a dog because he felt like it.

    Yeah, I tend to think that a once-off episode of abuse after a normal childhood would not cause such a terribly violent act in an otherwise normal kid.

    I wonder what his actual childhood with his family was like. (not to under-rate the dreadful abuse he suffered by the man).

  126. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Have to admit I did well with F1 on the range. Yet even better with the Lanchester. It was one of those rare ones that ‘felt right’ the moment I picked it up.

  127. C.L.

    Granted, Gab.

    But can you see a referendum giving the Commonwealth power to make laws to protect the sovereignty of Australia’s borders being lost?

  128. Notafan

    White skinned koori muslim, apparently.

  129. egg_

    Who kills an innocent family pet is such a horrible way?

    Psychopathy 101 – torturing and/or killing defenceless animals in yoof.

  130. C.L.

    Yeah, I tend to think that a once-off episode of abuse after a normal childhood would not cause such a terribly violent act in an otherwise normal kid.

    He was 15.

    He told Andrew Denton he was “felt up.”

    He was never raped or anything like that.

  131. C.L.

    Mk, what say you on the HMAS Elizabeth – discussed here earlier today?

  132. Gab

    No, not really, CL. But it’s a moot point as it won’t ever happen under this government. A slim chance under a Morrison government though, if that ever happens.

  133. oldsalt

    RAAF fitted Oerlikons to the auxilliaries they operated to supply coastwatchers. Came as a surprise to me as I’d thought Navy operated them.

  134. Mater

    Mk50,
    As a work of art, it’s hard to go past the roller locking system on the H&K range. It allows the bullet to exit the barrel before the bolt moves back and the subsequent inertia kicks the weapon. Dead accurate.
    Was present in the MG42 IIRC.

  135. John Comnenus

    Aristo,

    Neither Nabokov nor the Bible claim you have to sex with prepubescent girls or stone people to be a good reader of Nabokov nor a good Christian. These examples cannot be compared.

  136. ALP ministers?

    LOL – highly likely, it would suit their particular peccadillos for cheat prostitutes.

  137. Have to admit I did well with F1 on the range

    I sucked with the F1, great with the SLR & 9mm pistol though.

    In my defense i has been shooting since i was about 10 so rifle & pistol were a piece of cake.

  138. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    HMS Queen Elizabeth, CL.

    Glad they have her. It was a very near run thing, they very nearly cancelled her. naming them Queen Elizabeth and Duke of Edinburgh is clever politics – what pollie’s going to flog ‘em off?

    With these ships they are not out of the blue water game.

    mater: MG42. AFAIK the best LMG ever built. So many ‘modern’ LMG are MG42 clones that it is not funny.

  139. calli

    Miranda in high waist flares…it had to happen.

    When the blokes start wearing platform Windsor Smiths…that’s when the end of the world is near…

  140. Tintarella di Luna

    Saw Mr Negadividy on the telly tonight. That mealy-mouth has that “I’ve just eaten shit” look about it, or maybe it’s because he’s talking shit. What a painful thing it is for Moobs; looks really unwell, needs more iron I think, perhaps a meat pie or two. Peaked early in overwhelming mediocrity

  141. twostix

    White skinned koori muslim, apparently.

    Whatever the case you could hear the groans of disappointment and then hysterical whelps of fear from the smug dickheads in the neo–inquisition when people started to focus on her words and worked out she’s an aboriginal.

  142. MG42. AFAIK the best LMG ever built

    Up to 1500 RPM, it must have been a fearsome weapon to come up against.

  143. Tintarella di Luna

    Miranda in high waist flares…it had to happen.

    Ah that takes me back, tight-fitting flares and platform shoes, people used to think I was 5’6″ then I’d take my shoes off and disappear.

  144. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    AFAIK the best LMG ever built

    How come the Germans who designed the MG 42 get the quick change barrel right, but the bright spark who designed the M60 put the carrying handle on the body of the gun?”
    I still remember those freaking asbestos gloves, FFS.

  145. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Up to 1500rpm

    Carrying the ammo must have sucked……

  146. Aristogeiton

    John Comnenus
    #1369756, posted on July 4, 2014 at 8:50 pm
    Aristo,

    Neither Nabokov nor the Bible claim you have to sex with prepubescent girls or stone people to be a good reader of Nabokov nor a good Christian. These examples cannot be compared.

    There are many who argue the same of the Koran, John.

  147. Mater

    ZK,
    The MAG 58 remedied this issue but the Germans always seemed slightly ahead.

  148. Aristogeiton

    C.L.
    #1369754, posted on July 4, 2014 at 8:46 pm
    Finally …

    They’re back:
    That ’70s siren! Miranda Kerr has legs for days in retro bell-bottoms.

    Yeesh. Eat a sandwich.

  149. Mater

    The roller locking system was used on the MG42 LMG but is still used today on Sub-Machine Guns in the form of the MP5 and MP5K. A very ubiquitous and enduring system. Only being abandoned in recent times in order to meet a ‘price point’ in the weapons market.

  150. Aristogeiton

    Pete of Perth
    #1369733, posted on July 4, 2014 at 8:32 pm
    Top 3 weapons to survive the apocalypse:

    This is excellent.

  151. candy

    Those flared pants are really stylish. I don’t think Ms Hanson-Young could wear them. Perhaps a kilo or two too much on her well fed frame!

  152. jupes

    There are many who argue the same of the Koran, John.

    True. Stoning women and sex with kids are not mentioned in the Koran.

    However they do appear in the Hadith. Mohammad himself was very keen on both.

  153. I don’t think Ms Hanson-Young could wear them

    Strap a pup tent on each leg with some gaffer tape & you have a fashion statement.

  154. Aristogeiton

    jupes
    #1369778, posted on July 4, 2014 at 9:17 pm
    There are many who argue the same of the Koran, John.

    True. Stoning women and sex with kids are not mentioned in the Koran.

    However they do appear in the Hadith. Mohammad himself was very keen on both.

    No argument here. The context of the discussion is charging publishers of the Koran with incitement to murder.

  155. cohenite

    This Charles Bolden and space exploration is what NASA should be about. If they had put Hansen in a closet and spent the money they’ve wasted on AGW on space exploration we’d now have settlements on the Moon.t

  156. calli

    Those flared pants are really stylish.

    We all wore them back in the day, Candy. And all as slim as Miranda. But, oh the horror when toppling off those platforms! I remember a couple of charming young gents helping me up from the Grosvenor St pavement.

    Now I wear flatties as a penance for my indiscretions.

  157. We all wore them back in the day, Candy

    I have a photo of me when i was 13 in flares, platrorm shoes and a rather natty purple and green paisly shirt. I was a fashion god at the time.

    Now i just cringe at the thought.

  158. kae

    Calli

    High waist, snug almost to the knee, and flared.

    Then the wooden platform shoes with the leather upper nailed to the wood.

    High Fashion!

    We had an uneven, rocky driveway and I was walking down the driveway to be picked up. Fortunately I was early!

    I stepped on a couple of rocks the wrong way and ended up in the gutter at the front, laughing my head off.

    Noone saw me ;)

    Oh, and the jeans weren’t stretch fabric. I used to wear Python jeans or Louis. They were very tight and fit like a glove.

    When I wanted to get new jeans at one stage I visited Just Jeans and the girl asked what size, etc. I wanted and then looked at my jeans and said “stretch”. I said “No. I prefer no stretch.”

  159. candy

    I remember a couple of charming young gents helping me up from the Grosvenor St pavement.

    Always a good excuse to trip and have a gallant charming man help you up, Calli! I think in think in their hearts most fellows like to help a lady in distress.

  160. hoppers

    I wore flares. patched denim ones.

    I’m 6’2”, so with the platforms I was about 6’7” and tottered about like Herman Munster.

    Did I get lucky with this look….No way. These were the 70′s man, and all the girls were buttoned up to the neck in Laura Ashley….God I hated that woman, never saw a cleavage ’til I was in my mid 20′s

  161. Armadillo

    Now I wear flatties as a penance for my indiscretions.

    I just caught up with the thread, and was feeling sorry for the dog. Poor fishies. This place is brutal.

  162. Aristogeiton

    cohenite
    #1369788, posted on July 4, 2014 at 9:35 pm
    This Charles Bolden and space exploration is what NASA should be about. If they had put Hansen in a closet and spent the money they’ve wasted on AGW on space exploration we’d now have settlements on the Moon.

    But we wouldn’t be ‘sustainable’. Could you live with that?

  163. calli

    Then the wooden platform shoes with the leather upper nailed to the wood.

    Heheheh. I spent a gazillion on clothes from The House of Merrivale and Mr John.

    Now their son runs a bar on the proceeds.

  164. candy

    .God I hated that woman, never saw a cleavage ’til I was in my mid 20′s

    Never, hoppers? ;)

  165. calli

    Hoppers was in England. It’s colder there.

  166. kae

    Hmmm.

    I did go to Harpoon Harry’s in the 70s, and The Stage Door Tavern a couple of times.

    Never had Merrivale & Mr John gear.

    Too poor (mum was too sensible about what to spend money on), crappy jeans until I could buy them myself. I’ve never spent much on clothing. Not worth it.

    I did wear Jane Debster shoes bought at the sales at DJs in Bankstown, though. Had some lovely shoes.

  167. hoppers

    Calli, You’re right, it was cold, but more to the point at the exact moment that my hormones started jangling and telling me that the Female of the species is the most desirable creature on this planet, Laura bloody Ashley invented the ‘neck chocker’ look for ladies.

    I am of the lost generation, sadly.

  168. Tom

    If they had put Hansen in a closet and spent the money they’ve wasted on AGW on space exploration we’d now have settlements on the Moon.

    I don’t think Hansen ever believed any of it. He was just a megalomaniac Black Panther-style communist empire-builder who came out of the anti-Vietnam era and had worked out how to scam the US government and the UN system, which, in the late 1980s, was ripe for an Alinskyist heist like the IPCC.

  169. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Laura bloody Ashley invented the “neck chocker ” look for ladies

    Gone here in the Wild West, where some young ladies see the cleavage as a convenient place to stow the mobile phone. or the MP3 player….

  170. Talleyrand

    Nitschke has 2 indicators of psychopath behaviour , having experienced sexual abuse as a child, and killing of a family pet in a personal hands on methof of execution.

    He has helped many others to commit suicide including several who were not dying of terminal diseases or in extreme chronic pain

    The are many examples of medical staff abusing positions of trust and killing patients who are vulnerable and in need of care.

    I can see little reason to allow Nischke to continue to practice medicine of any sort. He has displayed callous disregard for his patients and the general public.
    We may find he has much in common with the evil Shipman

  171. C.L.

    HMAS Elizabeth

    D’oh.

    Dream on, me.

  172. Rolf Harris sentenced to 5 years, 9 months prison time. It is immediately reported that he will serve half that. So, in other words, 2 years 11 months prison time.

    As I said earlier in the week, I am always skeptical of trial outcomes where a guilty verdict results in a financial windfall for prosecution witnesses. In this case, other potential claimants are being told to come forward “quickly” to claim their share of Harris’ assets.

    If you testify against someone in a trial, you shouldn’t then get to raid their bank account if they are convicted on the basis of your testimony.

  173. John Comnenus

    Aristo,
    Can I suggest you take the time to wade through the turgid, repetitive prose that is the Koran. Don’t take my word for it, red it yourself.

  174. C.L.

    I didn’t know till now that the man Nitschke helped to commit suicide was under police investigation for throwing his wife off a cliff.

    A leading mental health organisation says it is considering filing a formal complaint against euthanasia advocate Philip Nitschke.

    Dr Nitschke admits he supported Perth man Nigel Brayley in his decision to commit suicide, despite knowing he was not terminally ill, and was only 45 years old.

    Mr Brayley began emailing Dr Nitschke after police launched a murder investigation into his wife’s death.

    He was later found dead with the suicide drug Nembutal in his system. At no stage did Dr Nitschke suggest Mr Brayley seek help for mental illness.

    The euthanasia campaigner says Mr Brayley made a “rational” decision to end his life, although he admits he may not be “well-trained” enough to assess the mental health of those who approach him for help.

    The Black Dog Institute believes Dr Nitschke had an obligation to recommend psychiatric help to Mr Brayley.

    The institute’s Dr Caryl Barnes says it may make a formal complaint to the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA), which supervises the registration of doctors qualified to practice.

    Dr Barnes says as a psychiatrist, she is “absolutely horrified and appalled” that Dr Nitschke did not recommend counselling.

    So it’s possible a murderer was simply bailing out.

    The only reason Nitschke is still a registered “doctor” is that he is an ‘iconic’ embodiment of anti-Christian, subjectivist ‘morality’ and therefore a pet of the left-wing commentariat.

  175. If you testify against someone in a trial, you shouldn’t then get to raid their bank account if they are convicted on the basis of your testimony.

    Aussie – Harris has transferred his assets to his wife & daughter

  176. C.L.

    If you testify against someone in a trial, you shouldn’t then get to raid their bank account if they are convicted on the basis of your testimony.

    That would seem to be prudent.

  177. I didn’t know till now that the man Nitschke helped to commit suicide was under police investigation for throwing his wife off a cliff.

    Didn’t he also help a woman committ suicide because of her terminal illness, yet she had no terminal illness.

    I’ll have to check.

  178. custard

    Aussie – Harris has transferred his assets to his wife & daughter

    How do we know that?

  179. whyisitso

    Harris has transferred his assets to his wife & daughter

    If so I’m pretty that the bankruptcy laws will invalidate such a transfer.

  180. Gab

    Didn’t he also help a woman committ suicide because of her terminal illness, yet she had no terminal illness.

    Yes. She was depressed and suicidal so Nitschke helped her out.

  181. whyisitso

    Harris won’t last that long. He’ll be murdered by other inmates within a year.

  182. hoppers

    Concerned about any advocate of death, makes me uncomfortable.

    Also worried about the ‘Showtrial’ mentality sweeping my home country at present.

    This is not the British way of doing things.

  183. oldsalt

    The man he helped commit suicide was under investigation for killing TWO women, one in Dili

  184. Aristogeiton

    whyisitso
    #1369826, posted on July 4, 2014 at 10:35 pm
    Harris won’t last that long. He’ll be murdered by other inmates within a year.

    Doubtful.

  185. Aristogeiton

    hoppers
    #1369828, posted on July 4, 2014 at 10:39 pm
    Concerned about any advocate of death, makes me uncomfortable.

    Also worried about the ‘Showtrial’ mentality sweeping my home country at present.

    This is not the British way of doing things.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/13604

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/13251

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/operation-yewtree-defaming-the-dead/14994

    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/Yewtree_more_propaganda_than_police_investigation/14686

  186. Grigory M

    The man he helped commit suicide was under investigation for killing TWO women, one in Dili

    Then Nitschke has done a public service – maybe two. The man who has taken his own life cannot take the lives of any more women. And Australia and East Timor have been spared the costs of his trial and subsequent incarceration.

  187. Then Nitschke has done a public service – maybe two.

    Then let him say so.

  188. oldsalt

    But his first victim, if such was the case, will probably now never be found. He ran the airport there.

  189. Infidel Tiger

    Then Nitschke has done a public service – maybe two.

    No, justice doesn’t involve the guilty choosing their own exit.

  190. incoherent rambler

    Why don’t we use the American Constitution? It was written by really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and they’re not using it anymore…

    You could do a lot worse.

  191. Grigory M

    Harris has transferred his assets to his wife & daughter

    If his lawyers and accountants did not ensure that this happened immediately after he was first interviewed last year, then they have been seriously negligent. In Australia (and presumably the UK), when things start to go wrong (1) assets get transferred to the spouse and/or other close family; and (2) there is a convenient divorce.

    If so I’m pretty that the bankruptcy laws will invalidate such a transfer.

    Firstly, if your gravatar is anything to go by – you’re not pretty. Secondly, and more importantly – if the above transfers occurred in a timely fashion, with or without a convenient divorce, then they will not be capable of recovery in a much later bankruptcy.

    Harris won’t last that long. He’ll be murdered by other inmates within a year.

    You seem to be salivating at the prospect. But, that aside, I agree with Aristogeiton that such an occurrence is doubtful – Harris’ age and high profile suggest he is unlikely to be placed at risk within the prison system.

  192. Greg James

    Can there be any doubt that Greg Hunt sits down to take a piss?

    No. There has never been any doubt about this.

  193. Grigory M

    Then Nitschke has done a public service – maybe two.

    Then let him say so.

    Just my opinion, Aussie. Nitschke is an advocate for voluntary euthanasia. I don’t ever recall hearing him advocate summary justice. Indeed, I think he would be unwise to do so.

  194. Zaphod

    Harris won’t last that long. He’ll be murdered by other inmates within a year.

    He should be sharing a cell with his mate.
    If there’s anything to admire about Jimmy Savile it would be his work ethic. He even had the ferking morgues covered!

  195. Gab

    incoherent rambler
    #1369345, posted on July 4, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    I genuinely have no idea why the Liberal Party even bother to form a government.

    Proud Achievements of the government -
    . Natasha’s appointment
    . Combet’s appointment
    . Retention of 18C
    . More tax
    . Higher energy costs
    . Keeping the ABC and SBS intact
    . Surrendering sovereignty to the U.N. (see TAS forest)

    .Knighthoods
    .Increased spending despite a proclaimed budget emergency

  196. Fisky

    The thing that always made me laugh about the decade of stupid Fisk refers to, when so many on the right were pretending to be great and sensitive friends to good guy Muslims – “inshallah,” many of them exclaimed (embarrassingly) at Arthur Chrenkoff’s blog – were the earnest discussions of Islamic ‘hadiths’ and so on. Muslims loved that shit. For the first time ever they felt somebody in the West gave a crap about their dopey, meteor-worshipping religion. It only encouraged them.

    Really. It was a full decade of stupid that appropriately finished by electing the President of Wrong.

  197. rebel with cause

    Gab – yes who could forget that they made Mr Potato Head’s mother-in-law a Dame?

    I don’t know why they can’t be a proper conservative government. The Left carries on like they are so they may as well act like one.

  198. I don’t know why they can’t be a proper conservative government. The Left carries on like they are so they may as well act like one.

    LOL exactly.

  199. Leo G

    I don’t think Hansen ever believed any of it. He was just a megalomaniac Black Panther-style communist empire-builder who came out of the anti-Vietnam era and had worked out how to scam the US government and the UN system, which, in the late 1980s, was ripe for an Alinskyist heist like the IPCC.

    Hansen is one of NASA’s great heroes. In 1960, the NASA budget was 0.5% of the US Federal budget- about the same as at present. But at the peak of the Apollo Project it was at close to 4.5%. Without the AGW furore there would have been no A-Train, and only a fraction of the Earth satellite program. So without Hansen’s “obsession”, NASA’s budget could have been as low as 0.2%.

  200. C.L.

    Harris won’t last that long. He’ll be murdered by other inmates within a year.

    You seem to be salivating at the prospect.

    Are you the same Grigory who just endorsed a sociopath bumping off murder suspects?

  201. C.L.

    Also worried about the ‘Showtrial’ mentality sweeping my home country at present. This is not the British way of doing things.

    I agree.

    The thing that worries me about the Harris trial – also the Royal Commission – is the creeping appearance and use of phrases like “they came forward with their stories.”

    I’m sorry but that’s not good enough.

  202. oldsalt

    Just looking back over the bits I missed in the thread.

    Tom, re the Timor piece. Like its rivals, the Oz pushes agendas and timing matters.
    Gusmao is on the way out so he’s a lame duck, he won’t compromise on Sunrise so DFAT is happy to see the back of him. Mauk Moruk isn’t widely respected and Angie Freitas is a certified loon, a photogenic one. E.Timor’s stability relies upon the relationship between a few individuals, not the law, institutions or shared values, so when the relationship between them changes instability is always a chance and the game’s afoot. The last time it was 4 Corners which trotted out a silly piece of opinion conditioning propaganda which was designed to be used by it’s fabricators to discredit their opponents. The game’s afoot.

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