Monday Forum: July 7, 2014

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  1. .

    Stephan
    #1374200, posted on July 9, 2014 at 1:10 am
    Stephan

    Tell us how much mining industry profits you are entitled to for doing nothing.

    Certainly more than I’m getting now, which is a sickly two-speed economy, massive biodiversity loss from shoddy land offset/rehabilitation and a warmer atmosphere. Fuck sake, for that kind of damage we should be getting at least half of their total profits. Fucking egregious vandals and their enablers eh.

    If people don’t make money in a way Stephan likes – he’s entitled to a share of profits without risking any capital?

    He truly is a typical Greens voter. They are the only party we’ve ever had with a Senator who has committed treason.

  2. jupes

    This should be political dynamite.

    So should the fact that Shorten is the ‘Senior Labour Figure’ and that he has been mentioned at least four times in the RC so far.

    Instead we get *crickets*.

  3. struth

    Tony Abbott should just have a word in the ABC’s ear stating that all refugee costs are going to be taken from the ABC budget. Hmmmm I wonder how much grandstanding left wing bullshit we would see then . F…ing grubs

  4. H B Bear

    This should be political dynamite.

    Not at the co-op.

  5. Joe Goodacre

    No, but capital will.

    Agreed – iron ore is one of the most plentiful minerals around.

    The sole competitive advantages we have over Africa for the mining of iron ore is the greater quality, lower sovereign risk and existing capital stock in the country.

    The Chinese are working hard to develop alternatives.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7c2c6478-8f42-11e3-be85-00144feab7de.html#axzz36vNUjjLJ

  6. Baldrick

    Interesting Senate news re Carbon Tax:

    A Coalition motion was just moved in the Senate to declare the package of carbon tax repeal bills as urgent and to bring on an immediate vote, however Ricky Muir just split with Palmer United Party to vote with Labor/ Greens and block the motion.

  7. blogstrop

    I think that about wraps it up for another adamant numbers position found to be without any basis intruth..
    Get rid of this deranged creep, Sinc.

  8. incoherent rambler

    LDP policy is in conflict with reality. And I thought that was a green problem.

  9. .

    So it has to go to the people – a referendum enshrining any form of marriage between two people constitutionally, to the exclusion of all other arrangements (which means polygamy is banned), plus the civil rights clause defending the religious opt-out.

    What a bizzare hobby horse, Fisk. You don’t like polygamy. Okay. Don’t get a second wife then.

  10. John Comnenus

    Stiglitz keeps telling everyone that the iron ore can’t get up out of the ground and move elsewhere because of the tax. Well that’s right it can’t get up out of the ground and sell itself either. It is the people and companies who buy and sell iron ore who will go elsewhere. The iron ore needs people to get it out of the ground and people do respond to price signals. Does Stiglitz even understand that an economy is people making, buying and selling stuff.

  11. .

    Shut up, IR.

    The LDP have the most consistent set of policies of any Australia political party.

    If you don’t like something, it is “not out of touch with reality”.

    Jillian Skinner’s refusal to allow medical marijuana because “it would encourage drug use” is a policy statement that is actually out of touch with reality.

  12. Lysander

    Sorry Gab; it’s markantony0902@… not markanthony!!!

  13. Numbers,
    CO Ron Grey called us all on parade and we were all given the option of volunteering for overseas service or not. If you missed that point of the CO’s then you were most probably still in a white rage for having been called up which wasn’t voluntary.

    You simply weren’t paying attention!

    Kev (or anyone else) should have no problem in digging up the relevant record if this were true.
    Follow the link – I was posted to 7RAR in June 1969 from Infantry Corps training at Singleton. Find evidence of an opt-out parade between then and our date of disembarkation on 16th February 1970.

  14. .

    Yet I don’t know a single gay person actively campaigning for gay marriage.

    Every gay person I am friends with DOES want gay marriage.

    It is a generational thing. My generation don’t take marriage seriously.

  15. incoherent rambler

    Shut up, IR

    Scroll back for a definition of ‘shut up’.
    Clearly you adhere to ‘thou shalt not criticize the LDP’. That’s fine, but it makes you and the LDP look a little Trotskyite.
    Who is Julian Skinner?

  16. jupes

    Ricky Muir just split with Palmer United Party to vote with Labor/ Greens and block the motion.

    I had been prepared to give Muir the benefit of the doubt.

    Not any more. He is a fuckwit of the ocean going class.

  17. Baldrick

    Starker! We do not 7RAR here!

  18. Joe Goodacre

    Dot,

    Perhaps you can clarify – has David been misrepresented in his support of widening the definition of marriage to include homosexual unions?

    The Liberal Democrats would oppose any child support measures, allow gay marriage and would favour legalising marijuana (though they are silent on “stronger” drugs), and assisted suicide. They also, favour liberalisation of gun ownership and carriage.
    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/09/24/guide-to-minor-parties-in-next-years-senate/

    Other Liberal Democrat policies include the decriminalisation of drugs and assisted suicide and the legalisation of gay marriage.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-09/nsw-sends-liberal-democrat-to-senate/4945080

    He favours gay marriage
    http://www.smh.com.au/national/david-leyonhjelm-trouble-shooter-20140623-3an2u.html

    The LDP would therefore remove all barriers to marriage between adults of any kind, while allowing churches and celebrants to discriminate as to who they wish to marry.

    http://www.australiavotes.org.au/policies/index.php?election_id=13&topic_ids=all&party_ids=141

  19. There is no doubt that Numbers served ten months in the “Fun Factory” as a rifleman/section commander with 7RAR.

    Like most of what you post here Gab, this is crap.
    I was a rifleman but never a section commander.
    Again, I’m simply posting the truth.
    Trouble is, of course, you have no idea of what the concept means.

  20. Cold-Hands

    Every gay person I am friends with DOES want gay marriage.

    The Gays I know don’t; the Lesbians do.
    Seems like the girls still want all the trappings of a big wedding.

  21. Gab

    Ricky Muir just split with Palmer United Party to vote with Labor/ Greens and block the motion.

    I doubt very much he actually understands what is going on.
    I recall some here were aligning themselves with this dumbo.

  22. candy

    What does Ricky Muir stand to gain from supporting the GreenLabor party, I wonder?

    The politician with the least votes in Australia control’s the government’s business. It’s just crazy stuff.

  23. Grigory M

    John (Jack) Peel, page 88 – refers a couple of times to “nachos”, a well known Mexican food – but he doesn’t seem to say how many Victorians “opted out” of going to Vietnam.

  24. .

    I nearly agree with all of what Fisk says. Have the freedom of association caveat. Make the lefties pushing gay marriage agree to it. Wedge them. Destroy any ulterior motives they have.

    However, in Australia, it is already unnecessary re s. 116 of the constitution. How does the CRA trump this similar provision of the I amendment of the US constitution? Because of the XIV amendment, and freedom of association is only implied in the I amendment. They need to repeal or reform the CRA.

    The ongoing idea that libertarians want to force churches to marry gays is simply dumb and dishonest. I’ve never heard a libertarian support it. The LDP or any libertarian organisation does not support it. The position libertarians have has been made clear over and over and over again and again. If you don’t want to talk about gay marriage, stop being dishonest trolls about it. You guys reckon you’re better than numbers, prove it.

    Joe Goodacre is a supreme bullshit artist.

    http://www.ldp.org.au/index.php/policies/1143-civil-liberties-and-freedom

    Goodacre looked up the gay marriage stuff but not that, nor “Religious Freedom” to wit (think of “Obamacare” right now too as well as getting married):

    The Liberal Democrats:

    · Acknowledge the significant contribution of Christianity to liberal democratic values.

    · Support the freedom of private individuals and organisations to apply religious tests for membership or employment.

    The standards of debate here should lift. They’ve dropped and it is tedious responding to what is no better than Twitter trolling, regarding content that has been discussed ad nauseum.

  25. C.L.

    Libertarians have supported ‘marriage equality’ …

    You even use their propaganda terms.

    Utterly clueless.

    Another clanger around here six years ago was Soon and company supporting an ETS.

    Great “market” choice, they said.

    I mean, seriously. Stop kneepadding the left, latte libertarians, and you might avoid stepping on these embarrassing rakes.

  26. jupes

    Follow the link – I was posted to 7RAR in June 1969 from Infantry Corps training at Singleton. Find evidence of an opt-out parade between then and our date of disembarkation on 16th February 1970.

    Dare I look Numbers?

    Last time you posted a link it showed that your claim of being near the Cambodian border was bullshit. So was your claim that your company was the blocking force on Op Finschhafen.

    You are a proven liar.

  27. Gab

    It spoke to three independent sources who have confirmed the women attempted suicide after being told they would be taken to Nauru or Manus Island.

    Mr Abbott said he had not seen the report, but added: “If true, it is a harrowing tale”.

    However, he said the government would not capitulate to “moral blackmail” when it came to border protection.

    “This is not going to be a government which has our policy driven by people who are attempting to hold us over a moral barrel – we won’t be driven by that,” he told the Nine Network on Wednesday.

    “No Australian government should be subjected to the spectacle of people saying `Unless you accept us, I am going to commit self harm’.”

    Hopefully Abbott will not capitulate to these economic country shoppers with iPhone 5s, digital cameras and gold credit cards.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/we-wont-be-blackmailed-on-borders-abbott/story-fn3dxiwe-1226982482784

  28. Good news!

    Keep in mind that socialists have redefined ‘Clearing’ far broader than the one in a dictionary.
    From http://www.nswfarmers.org.au

    Report confirms low levels of clearing on-farm.
    NSW Farmers today welcomed the Office of Environment and Heritage’s report on native vegetation in NSW which confirmed extremely low levels of clearing occurring on NSW farmland.

    NSW Farmers native vegetation spokesperson and Walgett farmer Cameron Rowntree said he was pleased the report confirmed what farmers had suspected for some time – that clearing for crops, pastures and thinning was the lowest in more than 25 years.

    The total annual reduction including forestry and clearing for infrastructure was about 0.04 percent of the land area of NSW and farmers were only responsible for approximately one fifth of that.

    Mr Rowntree said: “It’s miniscule. For an industry that feeds and clothes our nation and parts of the world and contributes to the vitality of rural communities – our impact on native vegetation is minute.”

    “The report doesn’t even mention all the replanting or re-establishment of native vegetation executed by our dedicated farmers whose best interest it is to maintain healthy biodiversity on farm.

    “We look forward to the outcome of an independent review on native vegetation announced by the NSW Government last month.

    “Claims by conservation groups that farmers are destroying the landscape are clearly unsubstantiated as evidenced in this report. If the NSW Government is serious about promoting the sustainable development of agriculture, the review needs to consider farmers’ agribusiness needs and allow them to get on with the business of farming,” Mr Rowntree concluded.

    Cue inner-city hysterics…

  29. C.L.

    Israel calls up 40,000 reserves for possible ground invasion of Gaza.

    Crush the toilet.

  30. Gab

    Israel calls up 40,000 reserves for possible ground invasion of Gaza.

    That may or may not be true given it’s being reported by the ABC.

  31. .

    No IR, you don’t like something so you then compare the LDP to the Greens.

    That is the biggest “shut up” there is out there. You didn’t make any actual criticism (…and like the handbag hitsquad, you reply, shut up, that’s why). You then expect me not to respond. Shut up, again.

    Jillian Skinner is the NSW (Liberal) Health Minister. You have given tacit, unquestioning support to her policies which are simply stupid and out of touch with reality (no medical marijuana for palliative care because it would upset Mc Griff).

    We could go on about Liberal policy being out of touch with reality, such as the disconnect from their name and stated philosophy and their overtly socialist, big government economic agenda.

  32. C.L.

    And this is the intro par to that ABC story:

    At least a dozen people have been killed by airstrikes on the Gaza Strip over the past 24 hours, Palestinian officials said, as Israel threatened a lengthy offensive against militants whose rocket fire reached as far as Tel Aviv.

    See. It was the Jews’ fault.

    And here was an attempted mass murder the ABC greatly admired but which ended badly for the terrorists:

    In a bold infiltration, four Palestinian gunmen from Gaza landed ashore near Zikim, where a kibbutz and an army base are located, just across the border from the enclave.

    The Israeli military said its troops shot them dead.

  33. incoherent rambler

    ‘latte’ Libetarians

    Nailed it.

  34. Dare I look Numbers?

    Be my guest.
    Since you have such a high regard for the “truth” you should make it a priority.

  35. Derp

    Like pretty much everyone else, Nate Silver didn’t see Brazil’s slaughter coming. He rated them a 65% chance to beat Germany, down from 75% due to two player absences.

  36. .

    C.L.
    #1374548, posted on July 9, 2014 at 10:32 am
    Libertarians have supported ‘marriage equality’ …

    You even use their propaganda terms.

    With scare quotes – you then call me clueless. You can stop fantasising about “knee padding” and me blowing other blokes, if gay marriage is so distasteful.

  37. Infidel Tiger

    Like pretty much everyone else, Nate Silver didn’t see Brazil’s slaughter coming. He rated them a 65% chance to beat Germany, down from 75% due to two player absences.

    Don’t tell me that over hyped knob is now in the sport tips business?

  38. Joe Goodacre

    Libertarians have supported ‘marriage equality’ with caveats or otherwise supported deregulation of marriage but also the supremacy of private property rights in all instances.

    To conflate what libertarians want monolithically with what the left want is dumb and incorrect.

    That’s what a useful idiot is. A supporter who has caveats (private property rights are paramount etc) that then become ignored once the milestone of gay marriage is reached. Given that private property rights have already disappeared in respect of discriminating against homosexuals, it is disingenuous to argue that gay marriage can be supported without it eventually resulting in a further loss of our ability to voluntarily associate. Bakers will be made to bake gay marriage cakes or they will be prosecuted for discrimination. Venues will not be able to offer marriage services unless they are offered to all people legally able to get married. How long before churches are forced to follow?

  39. .

    Nate Silver was wrong?

    No surprises there.

    He’s such a fraud. He picked one election out of five and claims to be a market beating guru.

    The Octopus has a better record.

  40. .

    He rated them a 65% chance to beat Germany, down from 75% due to two player absences.

    Germany 7 def. Brazil 1

    What a fucking blowhard.

  41. Gab

    Something that would not be reported by their ABC:

    THE Israeli air force launched dozens of raids on the Gaza strip overnight after massive rocket fire from the enclave pounded southern Israel, leaving at least 12 people injured, witnesses and Palestinian security officials said.

    Hamas militants in Gaza on Monday fired dozens of rockets at Israel, triggering the response in a new escalation which threatened to spiral into another major confrontation.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/israel-launches-air-raids-on-gaza-strip-after-hamas-fire-rockets/story-e6frg6so-1226981140207

  42. C.L.

    Bob Carr: mistreatment claims of Sri Lankans total bullshit.

  43. Infidel Tiger

    What does Ricky Muir stand to gain from supporting the GreenLabor party, I wonder?

    The politician with the least votes in Australia control’s the government’s business. It’s just crazy stuff.

    Green preferences at a double dissolution?

    A sensual massage from Milne?

    Most likely he doesn’t understand and his puppet master Druery is cooking something up.

  44. .

    LOLOLOL

    Brazil got their goal in the 90th minute when they were down 7-zip.

    Basically, Silver predicted a 65-75% chance of beating a team that thrashed them 7-0 and then couldn’t care less and conceded a consolation goal.

    Remember: Nate Silver is a forecasting guru. He never data mines or cherry picks.

  45. JC

    a dozen mothers on Christmas Island have attempted to kill themselves

    Call JC’s suicide hotline (on their iPhone 5) for better training? /sarc

    We had them call and it was bullshit. They were nowhere near killing themselves. Rin Tool told them to stage it.

  46. Something that would not be reported by their ABC:

    You’re posting crap again Gab.

  47. C.L.

    D(umb)-Day …

    IDF releases video of Palestinian terrorists attempting infiltration of Israel from the sea.

    Shows all of them being shot and blown up.

  48. Gab

    Keep dancing to my tune, numbers. It’s hilarious to watch.

  49. .

    That’s what a useful idiot is. A supporter who has caveats (private property rights are paramount etc) that then become ignored once the milestone of gay marriage is reached.

    Righto, champ, I suppose useful idiots also support measures against unreasonable search and seizure, a right to a trial by jury with unanimous verdicts beyond reasonable doubt and restricting the government controlling the presses, etc, etc?

    You’re trying on this “any agitation to make us free is actually going to make us less free” nonsense again, it is so transparent and pathetic.

    Go away. We’re not gullible here. Your philosophical arguments are worse than high school sophistry.

    I’d like to see what Fisk thinks of you calling him a useful idiot for asking for such caveats on the freedom of association.

    You’re dishonest turd, Goodacre.

    I’ll note the LDP policy AGAIN for your dishonest little brain:

    The Liberal Democrats (Religious Freedom):

    · Acknowledge the significant contribution of Christianity to liberal democratic values.

    · Support the freedom of private individuals and organisations to apply religious tests for membership or employment.

    Now you’re arguing that making a caveat against the actual/potential abuses of something like Obamacare etc is anti liberty?

    You’re pathetic, Goodacre.

  50. JC

    In a bold infiltration, four Palestinian gunmen from Gaza landed ashore near Zikim, where a kibbutz and an army base are located, just across the border from the enclave.

    The Israeli military said its troops shot them dead.

    I’m guessing the infiltration wasn’t so bold after all. The morons got themselves ready for burial.

  51. H B Bear

    Morro has got the entire refugee industry media arm running around in circles.

    Nana Hutch on ALPBC 720 Perth is kindly providing radio coverage for Fauxfacts Media stories and talking to the seemingly re-energised Human Rights Commission President, Gillian Triggs, who has found a voice after a long period of silence.

  52. .

    As a car enthusiast, Ricky Muir no longer represents me.

    The majority voted to repeal the carbon tax.

    I want cheaper fuel so that Australian families can go on holidays.

    What does Muir want?

  53. Leo G

    “The Government policy is forcing already-vulnerable people to a point of self-destruction” – Hansen-Young

    Senator Sarah Hansen-Young is telling already vulnerable people that this is the time to force themselves to a point of self-destruction in the expectation that something could then occur to force Tony Abbott to belie his promise to stop the boats. Something like a death in custody.
    No serious moral problem for SHY in that of course.

  54. Gab

    Like numbers, that ABC “report” is misleading. One sentence devoted to rockets fired at Israel and made to look like it was in retaliation to Israel firing rockets first. No. Hamas has been firing rockets at them since Monday. Israel retaliated. But then it is their ABC where truth in reporting is not their forte.

  55. john constantine

    the concept that self harm pressures the government .

    is it cultural to those seeking to bypass the australian immigration process, or is it suggested by refugee advocates seeking a client flow, and those seeking to strike a blow for the culture wars?.

    lip sewing was a big thing for a while, then it faded away [ming you, walk down the street, and see all the swampies with lip and tongue piercings, so poking a symbolic thread or two through the lips is not a big deal now.]

    is holding your breath, then ringing the swampies to tell them, really a story?.

    are thoughts of self harm, when documented, the basis of swampie lawyers filing a compensation claim against the australian government?.

    it seems a critical mass of swampies are probing away, with a whole industry just waiting to open up taxpayer funded rivers of gold—get in on the ground floor, only 20 odd months before the swampies get back in, and open the borders like obama, and change australia forever.

    when will the swampies be satisfied?.

    how about asking these swamie activists what level of population growth through immigration they support?.

    big melbourne of 10 million people? big sydney of 15 millions?. by 2050?

    does any swampie care to repeat the line that they will never fill the mcg?.

  56. .

    Gab
    #1374584, posted on July 9, 2014 at 10:56 am
    Like numbers, that ABC “report” is misleading. One sentence devoted to rockets fired at Israel and made to look like it was in retaliation to Israel firing rockets first. No. Hamas has been firing rockets at them since Monday. Israel retaliated. But then it is their ABC where truth in reporting is not their forte.

    This is how the conflict has been characterised on ABC News Radio as well. They ought to be ashamed of themselves.

  57. Joe Goodacre

    I suppose useful idiots also support measures against unreasonable search and seizure, a right to a trial by jury with unanimous verdicts beyond reasonable doubt and restricting the government controlling the presses, etc, etc?

    No. That would just be someone making a useful contribution. What distinguishes the idiot from the useful contributor is the wider context. Libertarians have already lost the fight to allow employers to discriminate so on what basis should anyone believe that there will be a desire in the electorate to allow discrimination by businesses in who they provide goods or services to. The push for gay marriage has nothing to do with the appropriate role of the state and everything to silence those people who may tolerate but dislike the gay lifestyle and don’t want to be associated with it.

  58. Andrew

    It spoke to three independent sources who have confirmed the women attempted suicide after being told they would be taken to Nauru or Manus Island.

    If this is true, the obvious conclusions are:
    - OSB is a vastly superior solution, as the Orange Defenders of the Faith provide no opportunity for this kind of posturing
    - It’s a strong argument for not allowing any children anywhere near Xmas Is
    - It’s a strong argument for zero tolerance towards getting any children anywhere near a smuggling boat
    - It’s highlighting that the ALP are so pathetically weak that their will will be broken in the first week – simply by putting a child on a boat their policy is destroyed
    - It’s made even News Ltd capitulate, to their eternal shame (“won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children!!”)
    - Only the clearest demonstration of zero tolerance by showing intent to send back even orphans into a SLan orphanarium will demonstrate why women SHOULDN’T self-harm in Sir Scott’s custody
    - Even if everyone in Xmas suicided at once, OSB would still be saving lives relative to the R-G-R abortion of a non-policy

  59. H B Bear

    Anyone expecting any balance out of Radio Free Palestine today is out of luck. From Mr Gai Brodtmann’s introduction to the story,

    CHRIS UHLMANN: It’s been a bloody day in Gaza as Israel unleashed major airstrikes on the Palestinian territory; a retaliation, it says, for rocket attacks.

    The bombings killed at least 12 Palestinians and wounded more than 80. Many are civilians.

    Israel’s attack even targeted homes and mosques because it says Hamas missiles were hidden in the buildings.

    It’s the most serious escalation of violence for two years, with no sign that either side is about to back down.

    In the past few hours, Palestinian militants retaliated by firing missiles at Tel Aviv which were shot down by Israeli defences.

    You have to wonder why the ALPBC foreign correspondents do for their wages if the ALPBC is unable to put facts to air and forced to put such value-laden, heavily qualified reports to air.

  60. Leo G

    Like numbers, that ABC “report” is misleading.

    The ABC report implies that there were no Israeli injuries and that only one rocket fired from the Gaza Strip caused any damage in Israel’s communities.
    Is that how Aunty demonstrates its balanced approach to news reporting?

  61. Keep dancing to my tune, numbers.

    Sorry to break it to you Gab, but you’re tone deaf,

  62. Grigory M

    Like numbers, that ABC “report” is misleading

    Interesting conflation, Glib. Just who is dancing to whose tune? Don’t kid yourself that you are the piper.

    You have previously told others to ignore the troll.

  63. C.L.

    In the Guardian link above, those terrorists attempting to infiltrate Israel – all of whom, hilariously, were shot and exploded to death – are described as …

    terrorists

    Not terrorists. “Terrorists.”

  64. Joe Goodacre

    does any swampie care to repeat the line that they will never fill the mcg?.

    I hadn’t heard this – can you remember where it came from?

  65. Leo G

    Who’s ‘Tone’ deaf?

  66. C.L.

    Video: Arab neanderthals celebrate rocket attacks on the Jews.

    Funny how they instinctively flocked to the Temple Mount mosque.

  67. What Leo G wrote -

    The ABC report implies that there were no Israeli injuries and that only one rocket fired from the Gaza Strip caused any damage in Israel’s communities.

    From the ABC report -

    On the Israeli side, rocket impacts wounded at least two people, medics said.In the Israeli port city of Ashdod, motorists scrambled from their cars and raced for the relative safety of apartment block entrances as a siren sounded, a scene repeated in other Israeli towns near the Gaza Strip.
    Live television showed a double-burst of smoke in the clear skies above Tel Aviv as a rocket was intercepted.

    Tell me, Leo G, why do you tell such blatant lies?

  68. Andrew

    does any swampie care to repeat the line that they will never fill the mcg?.

    I hadn’t heard this – can you remember where it came from?

    TFLS of course, taking her instructions from Big Refugee – 20 years to fill it. (Imagine the outrage if Gina6666 instructed Abbott666 on the specific wording to use at an IPA meeting??) Ultimately, Gillard managed to achieve a runrate of 10x time, filling the MCG in 2 years. Of course, that’s before family reunions – and the Lankans told us they were planning to get a job and then bring their whole families out.

  69. Andrew

    TLS also said

    On the second point he is very, very wrong. It is wrong to label people who have concerns about unauthorised arrivals as “rednecks”.

    Of course, there are racists in every country but expressing a desire for a clear and firm policy to deal with a very difficult problem does not make you a racist.

    That’s one to beat the howler monkeys with a every opportunity.

  70. egg_

    We had them call and it was bullshit. They were nowhere near killing themselves. Rin Tool told them to stage it.

    They dialled 1800-RingTool instead?

  71. From an earlier ABC report -

    Israel says 80 rockets fired by Hamas in 24 hours

    Lieutenant Colonel Lerner said Gaza militants had fired more than 80 rockets at Israel on Monday, and military officials said more than 200 rockets have been shot at Israel in the past month – an enormous uptick in shootings.

    Prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s security cabinet decided on Monday to step up air strikes against militants in coastal Gaza. Political sources said ministers stopped short of ordering a ground offensive for now.

    Mr Netanyahu had earlier pledged “to do whatever is necessary” to restore quiet to southern Israeli communities, though he cautioned against any rush towards a wider confrontation with Hamas, whose arsenal includes long-range rockets that can reach Israel’s heartland and its business capital, Tel Aviv.

    But far-right cabinet ministers pressed for a firmer response to silence rocket fire. Foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman quit an alliance with Mr Netanyahu’s party, citing dissatisfaction with the prime minister’s policy on Gaza.

  72. hoppers

    does any swampie care to repeat the line that they will never fill the mcg?.

    I hadn’t heard this – can you remember where it came from?

    Bloody Burnside

  73. srr

    ABC News24 – “Hamas has vowed to strike back.”

  74. Bruce of Newcastle

    Anyone expecting any balance out of Radio Free Palestine [=ABC] today is out of luck.

    So I don’t expect them to report this then:

    How John Kerry’s Failed Peace Negotiations Set Off the Spiral of Violence Between Israel and the Palestinians

    RTWT. In short, he stirred an ants’ nest with a stick in a way very unhelpful to both types of ant, then ran away.

  75. Leo G

    Tell me, Leo G, why do you tell such blatant lies?

    The Numbers don’t lie, you say?

    Gaza Strip bombarded by Israeli air strikes
    Explosions echoed across the densely populated Gaza Strip, shaking buildings and sending plumes of smoke into the air.
    In residential areas, the crying of children could be heard as ambulance sirens
    At least eight civilians were among the dead, Palestinian government and medical officials said.
    On the Israeli side, rocket impacts wounded at least two people, medics said.

    The report implies that those two people were injured on the Israeli side of the border by rockets from Israeli air strikes. The report does not suggest that the two people were Israelis.

  76. Joe Goodacre

    What does Israel do – occupy Gaza, remove all elected government and spend a fortune trying to get the area under some form of control or focus on defences such as the Iron Dome and hit back with drones, air strikes etc – which will continue the hatred.

  77. Lysander

    Does anyone see this page http://www.abc.net.au/ as clearly as I do?

    TV LINKS
    -Jimmy Fallon lefty story;
    -Stephen Fry (gay) lefty story;
    -Julia Beard lefty Drum host;
    -Billy Connolly (funny) lefty.

    ANALYSIS AND OPINION
    -Immorality of Govt and “refugees”
    -Hope of High Court undermining Abbott;
    -Pro-Euthanasia piece not just for rich.

    And lots more crap.

    From now on I’m only going to watch ABC22 kids shows as they are both more entertaining and accurately informative.

  78. val majkus

    I see the motoring enthusiast has split from PUP to help block carbon tax debate move in the Senate
    God forgive him, he’s a renooable energy enthusiast

    HE Coalition has lost a bid to force the fast-tracking of a vote on its carbon tax repeal bills in the Senate.

    The government this morning moved an urgency motion which would have brought on the debate.

    However the vote tied 36-36 when Australian Motoring Enthusiast Party senator Ricky Muir split from the Palmer United Party to vote against the motion.

    Under the Senate rules, a tied vote on a procedural motion is lost.

    Debate resumed on the second reading speeches for the carbon tax repeal bills.

    Unless the government moves again to gag debate it faces the prospect of the issue dragging on at least into tomorrow.

    The government’s move to rush through its repeal bills prompted anger from opposition parties.

    The Senate already had agreed to deal with the legislation as a priority, Labor leader Penny Wong said.

    “You have spat in the face of that offer,’’ she told parliament.

    Government Senate leader Eric Abetz reminded Senator Wong that Labor had gagged debate on 52 bills while it was in government.

    A vote on the repeal bills and non-government amendments may now be days away.

    wasn’t it labor policy before the last election to repeal the carbon tax legislation?

  79. Peter from SA

    I couldn’t get the link posted above to work. I found this

    Pretty amazing. Israel’s surveillance has these guys coming out of the ocean, tracks them through sand dunes and then they’re attacked with some heavy weapons (guided?) and then machine gun fire.

  80. Rudiau

    WATCH: BBC Admits ‘Gaza Under Attack’ Images Fabricated

    Our ABC? Never.

  81. What the report says -

    On the Israeli side, rocket impacts wounded at least two people, medics said.

    What Leo G concludes –

    The report implies that those two people were injured on the Israeli side of the border by rockets from Israeli air strikes.

    Hamas is firing rockets into Israel, and you conclude from this wording that “rocket impacts” means Israeli air strikes.
    Are your sure English is your first language?

  82. Infidel Tiger

    What does Israel do – occupy Gaza, remove all elected government and spend a fortune trying to get the area under some form of control or focus on defences such as the Iron Dome and hit back with drones, air strikes etc – which will continue the hatred.

    In a perfect world we’d give the Israelis all of the Middle East and tell them to do with it whatever they felt like.

    The Arabs would certainly be better off and so would we.

  83. Rudiau

    To Impeach or Not.

    Exclusive—Sarah Palin: ‘It’s Time to Impeach’ President Obama

    BUCHANAN: WAIT A MINUTE…

    Drudge Poll:-
    “SHOULD REPUBLICANS IMPEACH OBAMA?”
    72% Yes
    28% No
    190,600 Votes.

  84. Joe Goodacre

    In times past with this level of hatred one would just wipe out or completely dominate the other.

  85. Baldrick

    Brazilians stampede at Rio beach while watching World Cup.
    (They just got the news Skywhale wants to keep the school kids bonus, so they’re Australia bound.)

  86. Infidel Tiger

    Brazilians stampede at Rio beach while watching World Cup.

    It really is a scourge that sport. Any country that wishes to avoid having its culture usurped by a homosexual criminal class must fight it at all costs.

  87. incoherent rambler

    Boat arrivals may hold the solution to Hockey’s budget problems. Joe needs to get a slice of smuggling operations.

    Assumptions –
    100,000 boaties pa (probably more like 130,000 pa under RGR but let’s be generous).
    $15,000 per head (dead or live delivery) with payment in advance.

    100,000 @ $15,000 = $1,500,000,000

    That’s serious money. How does the govt. get a slice of this?

    ➽ Register smugglers. Only Registered Smuggling Organizations(RSOs) are allowed to do business. Say $5M pa per smuggler (PM’s spouse and family may be awarded exclusives for a small political donation).
    ➽ Massive reduction in Customs and Navy operational costs.
    ➽ Smugglers to be hit with super-profits tax (80% for every dollar over $1M).
    ➽ People resource rent tax (PRRT).
    ➽ Just like tobacco, we can make this a government exclusive. People importers must pay excise at a 40% rate. This is a moral position we make money and at the same time discourage this horrible practice.
    ➽ The ABC is already covering navigation costs and delivery point services. So no additional costs there.

    In summary would can add $1 billion to government revenues, achieve massive cost savings and maybe even achieve a SWan-like surplus.

  88. Bruce of Newcastle

    What does Israel do – occupy Gaza, remove all elected government and spend a fortune trying to get the area under some form of control or focus on defences such as the Iron Dome and hit back with drones, air strikes etc – which will continue the hatred.

    The hatred is a given, nothing can be done to change that. The Israelis, though, can use the Roman method. The IDF goes in, moves all people out of half the Strip into the other half. Then they demolish everything in the half they are occupying and truck the rubble out leaving a bare stretch of sand.

    Then they leave. If Hamas fucks them around, they go in a second time and do the other half. And give them the UN’s number so they can ring up and ask for tents.

    Retribution is a deterrence for bad behaviour. It can be done surgically with little or no loss of life. Only material stuff needs to be harmed. The Romans found it worked quite well, which is why the Pax Romana continued so long.

  89. C.L.

    Clearly the Iron Dome is racist.

  90. Joe Goodacre

    They’ve done well with it – bring on a nuclear missile defense shield and the ability to track major sources of radiation 20 kms away from Israel’s border. Israelis might then be able to get on with their lives.

  91. Baldrick

    incoherent rambler
    #1374627, posted on July 9, 2014 at 11:58 am
    Boat arrivals may hold the solution to Hockey’s budget problems. Joe needs to get a slice of smuggling operations.

    Good try Incoherent Rambo, but the Irish Nuns are never going to give up their sole source of income to finance their operations in Syria and Iraq.

  92. Leo G

    “Hamas is firing rockets into Israel, and you conclude from this wording that “rocket impacts” means Israeli air strikes.” – 1735099

    The ABC report section header clearly implies that the rocket impacts were associated with Israeli air strikes. Where does the report state the national identity of the injured people?

    And how many rockets did the ABC indicate originated from Gaza during the Israeli air strikes? Only one, it seems:-

    Meanwhile, Israelis ran for cover as sirens sounded in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv as militants launched their deepest attack from Gaza since hostilities flared three weeks ago.
    The Israeli military said its Iron Dome anti-missile system shot the Tel Aviv rocket out of the sky.

    Numbers, you really need to improve your reading comprehension.

  93. notafan

    In summary would can add $1 billion to government revenues, achieve massive cost savings and maybe even achieve a SWan-like surplus.

    Excellent suggestion IR though I prefer tax and return.
    Didn’t Howard send them home with a per diem bill for expenses incurred, payable before any attempt at legal migration?
    Australia takes plenty of Sri Lankans under the skilled migrant category and it is about time people started getting bills for the cost of their return pour encourager les autres.
    That bill should include itemised costing for muesli bars etc.

  94. C.L.

    ABC Online …

    Well done, Christensen. This is gold:

    LNP backbencher George Christensen likens climate change to science fiction film plot.

    One of the Prime Minister’s backbenchers has likened the climate change debate to a science fiction film plot, but says “alarmist” claims are more comedic than frightening.

    Liberal National Party MP George Christensen made the comments in Las Vegas at a conference hosted by the Heartland Institute, a prominent think tank questioning man-made climate change.

    Mr Christensen drew heavily from Hollywood films to mock claims made about the effects of climate change, which he says are exaggerated.

    “In Australia, we have crossed that point where the horror genre is descending into a comedy,” he told the audience.

    “It’s hard to tell the difference between an alarmist claim about global effects and the basic premise of a disaster movie plot.

    “The weather and climate in Australia has not changed in the last century but a new religious interpretation has arisen since then.

    “When we are in a flood, they tell us ‘too much rain is a sign, more hurricanes is a sign, fewer hurricanes is a sign, the sky is blue – it’s a sign, gravity – it’s a sign‘.”

    Mr Christensen poked fun at what he said were alarmist claims from climate change campaigners, asking if global warming would lead to a zombie apocalypse, cannibalism, a prostitute shortage in Bulgaria and the death of the Loch Ness monster.

    “I look forward to Johnny Depp doing Pirates Of The Antarctic,” he quipped.

    Read the whole thing. He also wonderfully ridicules Flannery and Garnaut.

  95. john constantine

    plenty of denizens of the faceswamp were enraged on behalf of the vote people,when gillard legitimised the ‘can’t even fill the mcg’ herd mentality, that meant i had to wear that meme for far too long.

    they of course were wrong, the feeling they had in the pits of their little swampie hearts was wrong.

    the gloating and satisfaction they got was real.

    if a swampie feels like they mean it when they say it, they get exactly the same level of satisfaction out of saying a lie as they do out of doing something truthful.

    the look in their little swampie eyes when they assure you “i will do that job tomorrow” just shows they have already felt like they have done it in their hearts, where it counts, so stop hassling them with facts, and show you respect their feelings.

    that is the true danger of kinderswampieworld. they are being taught that there is nothing wrong with speaking and acting with disregard for the consequences, they are being taught that if you feel like saying something, then later on change your mind, that isn’t breaking your word, deception, or lies, it is your swampie given right.

  96. hzhousewife

    As a car enthusiast, Ricky Muir no longer represents me.

    The majority voted to repeal the carbon tax.

    I want cheaper fuel so that Australian families can go on holidays.

    What does Muir want?

    Maybe he wants a wind farm over in Sale/Bairnsdale/Lakes Entrance/wherever it is he is from?

  97. C.L.

    Bill Shorten on Christensen’s speech: ‘Don’t laugh. Nobody laugh. That’s not funny. Stop it!’

    “I don’t know if it’s more frightening or comedy that you’ve got Liberal MPs denying the science of climate change,” he said.

    “We know that the people who don’t believe in climate change have taken over the Liberal Party. This is yet again another example of it.

    “What’s particularly amazing about these uninformed comments by a government backbencher is that his electorate borders parts of the Barrier Reef.

    “What more evidence do you need to see the harmful effects of climate change than the damage being done to the Barrier Reef?”

  98. nic

    Won’t anyone think of Nemo?
    If it’s all so definite and so settled, what does one denier matter? Seriously?

  99. incoherent rambler

    Gravity! –It’s a sign.

    I knew it.

  100. Baldrick

    The Clean Energy Income Tax Rates and Other Amendments Bill was defeated at the 2nd reading in the Senate. The Bill would have axed previously legislated July 2015 income tax cuts but was defeated by Labor, Greens and PUP.

    Now the Greens back an ALP amendment to adjust the existing legislated ETS scheme to move to a floating price immediately. Milne says it’s a test of PUP who claim to support an ETS.

  101. Bruce of Newcastle

    “I don’t know if it’s more frightening or comedy that you’ve got Liberal MPs denying the science of climate change,” he said.

    Deny this science Shorten. And this science. And my own science, with 30 years in the R&D profession, a PhD and a couple dozen granted patents. FMD the guy is totally clueless.

  102. struth

    I reckon it’s getting close to a bigger war again.
    I for one think that many many world problems would be eliminated if we just did now what we’re going to have to do eventually anyway.
    We are at war with muslims anyway, as they, at least honestly admit, they are with us.
    I would go to war with them and I would kill them if I had to……..
    Now although they openly preach killing the infidel, I would get more flackcfrom the west for saying that, than the muslim .
    G
    By god I am sick of talking about them, hearing about them and dealing with their dark ages cult.
    Why should I have to?

  103. H B Bear

    Tits better get a move on.

    Coming towards the end of the AFL seasons and we all know what that means – dwarf immolation.

  104. You even use their propaganda terms.

    A lesson in how the left wins.

  105. notafan

    Can the government make sure that all the legislation for stuff it wants to get passed is attached to stuff the cross bench want.
    Muir has been feed false info regarding RET, he would not support it if he fully understood the costs.
    What a woeful senate we have.

  106. Infidel Tiger

    I really like Christensen from what I’ve heard.

    He also wants marijuana decriminalized and tobacco excise reduced.

    I imagine the ALP would hate his guts.

  107. C.L.

    I really like Christensen from what I’ve heard.

    He also wants marijuana decriminalized and tobacco excise reduced.

    I imagine the ALP would hate his guts.

    Abbott and Turnbull too.

  108. incoherent rambler

    You even use their propaganda terms.

    A lesson in how the left wins.

    I refuse to give up ‘gaiety’ and ‘rainbows’ to the left.

  109. Infidel Tiger

    Mr Christensen began his speech by acknowledging he was not a scientist or climatologist but was a fan of the television series Star Trek, pointing out he only liked the original “before the show went all liberal … and started saving whales”.

    I feel the same way about Australia.

  110. incoherent rambler

    Christensen would make a good deputy to Sir Scott.
    Let’s see if he makes a similar speech in parliament.

  111. twostix

    “I don’t know if it’s more frightening or comedy that you’ve got Liberal MPs denying the science of climate change,” he said.

    I can honestly imagine a video or recording surfacing of Shorten calling it all bullshit. His hearts not in it at all.

  112. C.L.

    Science: there are no atheists.

    Not in a foxhole, not anywhere.

  113. C.L.

    Mr Christensen began his speech by acknowledging he was not a scientist or climatologist but was a fan of the television series Star Trek, pointing out he only liked the original “before the show went all liberal … and started saving whales”.

    Look, I know where he’s coming from but Deanna Troi.

  114. Bruce of Newcastle

    He also wants marijuana decriminalized and tobacco excise reduced.

    Good stuff. A thing I really hate about the bloody progressives is their hypocrisy in salivating for pot but castigating tobacco.

    But just for fun I propose that unemployment benefits be paid only on a successful THC negative urine test. Since THC sticks around for a month this policy would materially reduce the budget deficit.

  115. C.L.

    And Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi) has still got it – wow.

  116. egg_

    “What more evidence do you need to see the harmful effects of climate change than the damage being done to the Barrier Reef?”

    So shall we make The Great Barrier Reef Australia’s ‘Climate Reference Network’?

    How long’s it been around through various climate ‘records’?

    Who’s your chief Wrongologist/Climate ‘Scientist’, Dolly?

  117. feelthebern

    Mr Christensen began his speech by acknowledging he was not a scientist or climatologist but was a fan of the television series Star Trek, pointing out he only liked the original “before the show went all liberal … and started saving whales”.

    If Fleeced was still around I’d add a comment or two to this.
    Where is Fleeced?
    He hasn’t gone to Iraq to join ISIS or something?

  118. Infidel Tiger

    Where is Fleeced?
    He hasn’t gone to Iraq to join ISIS or something?

    There’s a chance he died of boredom reading a thread about Muzzies.

  119. incoherent rambler

    Bill has the support of the best scientists Kev and Julia could buy.

  120. YT

    C.L.

    I’ll see your Mariana Sirtis and raise you Jewel Staite.

  121. jupes

    Well done, Christensen. This is gold:

    Absolute gold. Not only has attacked AGW but he has used the best weapon for it: ridicule.

  122. feelthebern

    There’s a chance he died of boredom reading a thread about Muzzies.

    The muzzie thread just wouldn’t die.
    Neither will the gay marriage one.

  123. notafan

    Australia has gone that step to far

    and started saving whalessharks

  124. incoherent rambler

    Sharks eat whales. Japanese eat whales.

    I see a conflict of interest arising at Greenpeace.

  125. egg_

    Oh noes

    until about 25 million years ago, northern Queensland was still in temperate waters south of the tropics—too cool to support coral growth

  126. feelthebern

    Reading more about the asylum seekers who brought their dog along.
    Seriously, this really pissed me off.
    The putting a dog on a boat, in those conditions is an act of cruelty.
    I doubt whether we will hear the RSPCA pipe up though.

  127. Infidel Tiger

    The good news from the Senate:

    12:02pm: But before that, the anti-tax David Leyonhjelm successfully moved to have the Clean Energy (Income Tax Rates and Other Amendments) Bill considered by itself.
    This repeals the personal income tax cuts that were legislated to commence on July 1 2015 and repeals associated amendments to the low-income tax offset.
    At the second reading stage, the House voted 33 yes to 40 no.
    This saw Labor, the Greens, Bob Day, David Leyonhjelm, PUP (who raced across), Muir (who also raced across) and Xenophon vote no.
    And the government and Madigan vote yes.
    While this is not the final vote (that happens at the third reading) this is a strong indication of where things will end up.

    Its possible we may end up with no carbon tax and keep the tax cuts. As it should have been from the beginning.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-july-9-2014-20140709-3blsr.html#ixzz36w5uq3Av

  128. notafan

    Not to mention bringing a dog to Australia usually involves what six months of expensive quarantine
    It has to underline the ignorance of the economic migrants coming from Sri Lanka and the BS being feed to them by the people smugglers.

  129. .

    The LDP gets trolled from all angles. From the LDP Facebook:

    “Tony Magrathea: give this government nothing.refuse their wish for the carbon tax to go. The government is acting illegally in the refoulement crime of handing 41 asylum seekers back to Sri Lanka. Al Jazeera TV said this morning they will face rigorous imprisonmen…See More
    Yesterday at 12:12pm”

    “Terje Petersen: Why link the two issues at all?
    21 hours ago · Edited”

    “Tony Magrathea why give the government anything? The two issues are the government. carbon tax and racism. two sides of the same dice. give the racists nothing
    7 hours ago”

    You heard the far leftist – climate skepticism is racist!

  130. Shelley

    Muir (who also raced across

    ). Comedy gold. I imagine Benny Hill music as the soundtrack.

  131. notafan

    from the Australian High Commissioner to Sri Lanka’s website

    Beware of Maritime Crew Visa scams

    Have you been offered a job to work on a ship travelling to Australia?

    Have you been offered a job to work on a ship in Australia?

    The Department of Immigration and Border Protection has been made aware of a scam where a person is contacted by phone or receives an email with a job offer from a scammer alleging to be able to arrange an employment contract and visa for employment on maritime vessels travelling to or working in Australia.

    The scammers are known to charge large sums of money (the equivalent of several thousand Australian dollars).
    Some of these scammers entice clients by showing them what appears to be valid visas on our departmental website. However, where these visas are obtained based on fraudulent claims they are subject to cancellation. You will not be permitted to travel to or enter Australia using this the Maritime Crew Visa (MCV).

    Some of the scams also imply that the scammers are collecting the money for the department or the department require the fees be paid. This is not true.
    Some of the scammers create a website pretending to be a shipping or cruise company in Australia.

    If the information requested appears to be suspicious, please contact the relevant shipping or cruise company directly to verify if the job offer is legitimate. Use official contact details for the company. Do not use the contact details that have been received from the job offer correspondence.
    If you wish to report a scam please email: [email protected]

    For more information on migration fraud please see link on the DIBP website. http://www.immi.gov.au/migration-fraud/migration-related-scams.htm

    For more information on a Maritime Crew Visa (MCV) please see link on the DIBP website. http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/988.aspx

    More information about working in Australia is available on the department’s website.

    Suspected scams can be reported to SCAM watch. It is an independent website run by the Australian Competition & Consumer Commission (ACCC).

    Related information is available on the AMSA website.

  132. Dr Faustus

    But just for fun I propose that unemployment benefits be paid only on a successful THC negative urine test.

    Just for fun, we randomly test all our staff for drugs and alcohol; the ones who are unsucessful get an immediate introduction to THC positive unemployment benefits.

  133. jupes

    “I don’t know if it’s more frightening or comedy that you’ve got Liberal MPs denying the science of climate change,” he said.

    The “science of climate change” states that there has been precisely zero increase in global temperature in the last 17 years and 10 months. This despite an increase of atmospheric CO2 of over 10% during that period.

    Who exactly is “denying the science” Dolly?

  134. feelthebern

    Not to mention bringing a dog to Australia usually involves what six months of expensive quarantine
    It has to underline the ignorance of the economic migrants coming from Sri Lanka and the BS being feed to them by the people smugglers.

    I did work experience at customs way way way back.
    The couple of hours spent at a quarantine facility was just heart breaking.
    Couldn’t do that to my dog for a day.
    Let alone a few months.

  135. jupes

    Science: there are no atheists.

    Riigghht. So there really was a talking snake that convinced Eve to eat an apple. I’m glad science has cleared that one up.

  136. .

    Private employers can do as they wish, but welfare recipients and public employees should be subject not to urine tests – perhaps when politicians are, and when crap like a convicted drug dealer doesn’t get made Director General of a Department he is unqualified to work in, because his girlfriend is high up in the ALP.

    Some jobs require sobriety for liability reasons alone.

    The idea that someone on the dole who smokes weed is a poor financial manager is simply superstitious. Buying alcohol or tobacco certainly is, given how much indirect tax they pay.

    I really don’t like the idea of public employers directing staff what to do in their spare time. It is regulation by stealth, especially when the APS has expanded so much of late.

    Regulating what the jobless can do (who have already been regulated out of work by minimum wage laws) is cruel and nanny statist.

  137. Tom

    Almost anyone can write almost anything for Fauxfacts (once it passes the Tribal Impact Assessment), especially leftard ambulance-chasers:

    Attention, personal-injury lawyers of Australia! Are you aware of the great new opportunities being offered by Fairfax Media, whose dire financial straits have led it to accept what are presumably unpaid contributions to its opinion pages – contributions from those with barrows to push, cases to promote and settlements to bank.

    This is your opportunity to sway the jury of public opinion long before your trials begin, to present your arguments unsullied by the troublesome business of respondents’ evidence and cross-examination.

  138. custard

    Commissioner Dyson Heydon has just described the testimony from the CEO of Boral about union standover tactics as “extremely disturbing”

    http://rcommedia.com.au/turc/live/

  139. Remember that study that numbers and Yobbo were toting in the last couple of days as showing that children raised by same-sex parents were better than being raised by both married biological parents? Here is a discussion of the methodology:

    Imagine if evangelical sociologists set out to document how the children of evangelical Christian parents fare in life. Imagine that they begin their effort by recruiting parents of children who attend Sunday School classes at places like Wheaton Bible Church outside Chicago and Saddleback Community Church in Orange County, California—both located in prosperous communities with above-average social capital and support for families, children, and faith. They choose this approach because churchgoing, self-identified evangelicals with children under age eighteen comprise less than 3 percent of the population of American adults (this is true), and the researchers figure it will be easier to recruit participants than to evaluate those who might show up randomly in a population-based sample. They know a random sample is best, but they cite “cost constraints” and “difficult research constraints” in justifying their decision to use a convenience sample.

    Then the scholars survey the parents, asking them questions about how their kids are faring. They compile the results and call it the American Christian Family Study. The study includes a comparison sample of other parents and children, pulled from a fine population-based survey so as to display what average children from average families look like. The evangelical kids compare well; they do better, actually, than the children from average families across the country. Their parents are more likely to report being married, educated, stable, and employed. The parents tell the researchers that the kids are faring well, too—they don’t have many emotional challenges, are doing well in school, and are generally getting along well in life. The study’s initial findings are published in a peer-reviewed social science journal, and they help to improve public perception of evangelical parents.

    RTWT.

  140. .

    Is Mick Gatto going to appear at the RC?

  141. Ros

    Still a mystery as to the nationality and origins of the non Tamils on the boat people on the customs boat. Maybe a comment on Bolt could provide an explanation. He had been in Sri Lanka last year and read an article about unrest re Pakistani asylum seekers in Sri Lanka.

    It seems from Economist article, 4th July, that Pakistani irregulars Sri Lanka, rose 774% in 2013. Plus Iranians and Afghanis. Sri Lanka looking to deport them. One reason given is that Indian government is pushing because they are concerned that they include militants looking to launch attacks on India from a new base. The Pakistani government says they are economic migrants and they are not interested in them. They are unable to work in Sri Lanka.

    There were suggestions that some on the larger boat were picked from Sri Lanka itself. Whatever the people smugglers are certainly decided on a new business plan, and in the meantime our commentariat are locked in a time warp. It is credible that the people smugglers have been making offers to the 1600 or so actually registered in Sri Lanka. A more alarming thought is that they are in Sri Lanka as part of a package deal. Indonesia getting too hard, new path, through Sri Lanka.

    Whether or not we can resist the huge numbers moving to the west, it is time the refugee crowd came to terms with the reality of what is really happening in global people movements. They are living in the previous century, the kindest that could be said about them is that they are very naive.

  142. jupes

    Bob Carr speaks. Silence, please.

    Well there is certainly silence in regards to Bob’s comments on the ABC. Rin Tool seems to be getting a good run though.

  143. Baldrick

    Self confessed feminist, racial hate speech advocate and anti-label campaigner:

    September 1, 2012:

    We are so accustomed to seeing female nudes by famous male artists that we have become blind to the imbalance, as with so many other issues related to gender. (Or indeed race, which is another worthwhile discussion.)

    July 9, 2014:

    Was just hit by a man in the street. He’s on Market St in dark clothing headed toward Hyde Park. Slim/white. Beware. Suspect drug affected.

    Sorry Tara, but by your rules that should be:
    Was just hit in the street. The person is on Market St wearing clothing head towards Hyde Park. I’m unable to give the Police any description of race, gender, appearance or mental state because that’s against my principles

  144. Baldrick

    That should read:

    Self confessed feminist, racial hate speech advocate and anti-label campaigner Tara Moss:

  145. Leo G

    Oh noes …until about 25 million years ago, northern Queensland was still in temperate waters south of the tropics—too cool to support coral growth

    The Great Barrier Reef wouldn’t have been much of a barrier at the last ice age glacial maximum 20,000 years ago. Sealevels off the Queensland Coast were 130m lower than present, so the present coastal shelf was almost entirely above sealevel, leaving only a narrow strip of coastal waters (and vestiges of some passages) available for corals. Evidence of those ice age corals have been found at present depths of about 175m.

  146. H B Bear

    Bob Carr speaks. Silence, please.

    Doesn’t sound like Boob is angling for another taxpayer funded world tour any time soon.

    His wife is Asian too, don’t you know?

  147. His wife is Asian too, don’t you know?

    I’m amazed he got through the whole piece without once referring to ‘his wife, Helena, who is of mixed-race parentage’.

    It’s nice that he loves her, but if I were Helena I’d be feeling a bit like the token crumpet.

  148. Dr Faustus

    Bob Carr speaks.

    Obviously in training to become the Mad Uncle of the Left…

  149. Tom

    Mumble’s commentary today is so stupid that reader comments have been banned:

    A topic can be hot button in the community but not, on election day, a vote-turner.

    That’s how I see “boats”. I don’t believe it is an election decider.

  150. Obviously in training to become the Mad Uncle of the Left…

    Succession planning for when poor old Malcolm Fraser goes to his reward. It’s never too early to start thinking of these things.

  151. egg_

    Leo G
    #1374697, posted on July 9, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Yup, all of the above infers Ice Ages and Little Ice Ages would mostly account for any waxing and waning over the eons.

  152. A topic can be hot button in the community but not, on election day, a vote-turner.

    Mumble is a nong, but here goes:

    How about we define what we mean by ‘community’, before we go any further? Do you mean the Green/left axis, or do you mean middle-income people in western Sydney with mortgages?

    If it’s the former, then I’d suggest that any topic that’s hot-button in that community is light years away from the concerns of most other Australians, and therefore will not be a vote-turner on election day.

    I give you gay marriage as a case in point.

    (You’re welcome.)

  153. outsider

    An explosive day at the TURC concludes – with the Commissioner expressing interest in having Boral’s input into what may be done about the unions and the institutions that are failing Australia. I have never seen anything like this testimony and it’s doubtful whether any of the learned gentlemen have either.

    What an indictment of the legal system, the apparatus that permits union-based conspiracy to occur. Mike Kane’s efforts were lucid and damning. The stuff of a Four Corners special – yeah sure. I doubt the representative for the CFMEU will have much to ask Kane about – damage control will be the order of the day.

  154. Roger

    Whether or not we can resist the huge numbers moving to the west, it is time the refugee crowd came to terms with the reality of what is really happening in global people movements. They are living in the previous century, the kindest that could be said about them is that they are very naive. Well, refugee advocate Ian Rintoul, who is behind the present High Court challenge, is certainly not naive, Ros. Mass immigration from non-Western cultures is a way of a) shoring up the Leftist vote and marginalising conservatives in political debates, and b) subverting Western cultural values through the pressures of increasing multi-culturalism.

  155. Tom

    Their ABC and ShakeMyHead.com advise that Bob Carr’s lampooning of leftist hysteria about country shoppers will be reported once the politburo’s rebuttal of such incorrect thinking can be formulated as the story lead. Until then, enjoy the martial music. Praise the collective. Thank you.

  156. custard

    outsider
    #1374706, posted on July 9, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    Is that you Bill who I saw in the live feed?

  157. incoherent rambler

    Roger
    c ) making lotsa money

  158. Mumble’s commentary today is so stupid that reader comments have been banned:

    Rubbish.
    Moderator has the lurgi.
    Mumble’s obviously been reading my blog.

    Meanwhile cowardice has become a national trait –

    So the only point of contention is whether Sri Lanka is safe. Except that isn’t a point of contention unless you’re either ignorant, which is fair enough, or a complete liar, which is not. Accordingly, such statements only came from poorly informed internet commenters and Australian prime ministers.

    “I want to make this observation,” observed Tony Abbott observantly from the observation deck in his observatory. “Sri Lanka is not everyone’s idea of an ideal society, but it is at peace.”

    “There is no way these people are Asylum Seekers. Sri Lanka isn’t a place of persecution and oppression, in fact its a TOURIST destination!” expanded Peter over at The Age, proving it is possible to both type and be a damp fuckstain on the sagging sharehouse couch of humanity at the same time. Most places are pretty nice when you’re spending a bunch of foreign currency away from conflict zones.

    The facts are there. While the Tamil Tigers have shed plenty of blood, the Sri Lankan army rounded off the long civil war in 2009 by targeting Tamil civilians en masse. They announced ‘no fire zones’ which would be free from attack, waited until Tamil refugees filled them, then cut off supplies and shelled them for weeks, including consistent attacks on hospitals. The conservative estimate is 40,000 dead.

    But wait, says Ron: “Some friends have recently holidayed in Sri Lanka for 3 weeks. They have rated it a beautiful country with beautiful people and considering how widely travelled they are, have rated it one of their best and most enjoyable holiday destinations. Something doesn’t ring true about the persecution.”

    Verified footage taken by Sri Lanka’s own soldiers shows them shooting naked bound prisoners in the head; tying prisoners to trees and cutting their throats; and piling up dozens of women’s bodies for disposal, half dressed or naked after being raped. Through these clips the perpetrators joke and chatter, egging each other on, giving at least a façade of casually enjoying their work.

    RTWT

  159. twostix

    Then the scholars survey the parents, asking them questions about how their kids are faring.

    lol

    Hey wait.

    Didn’t they do exactly the same thing in the early 90′s when they were pushing for “acceptance” of single motherhood? Surveys of wealthy white women branded as “Studies” poured out proclaiming the glorious success of single mother families and proving the “obsolescence” of fathers. “Ahah!” “Take that ‘fundies‘” the left used to squeal with glee.

    Now the only studies done on mass single motherhood are what the ones determining what an incredible disaster it was. As predicted.

    Yet 20 years later after that epic wrongology “Libertarians” continue to not just side with, but gleefully embrace the left and its neo-Lysenkoism.

  160. Tom

    Rubbish.
    Moderator has the lurgi.

    The scum reels off lies as naturally as a veteran burglar robs safes.

  161. Bruce of Newcastle

    Science: there are no atheists.

    Riigghht.

    Chesterton, Jupes. There’s a religion shaped hole in humans. Currently being filled on the Left by neo-Gaia worship plus a teensy bit of Marxism. On the right the atheists can just say no, presumably, at least until they see a hot icon of St Ayn.

  162. From Heathen Scripture -

    I’ll say it plain: we are aiding and abetting murderers. We are actively helping a regime that continues to kill and torture its citizens. People are pleading for help while we chat to those in power and pretend not to hear. We are doing all this so the current government can win the pointless merit badge of saying that they stopped the fucking boats, whatever the cost to other people’s lives and our own decency.

    The words and ideas we use are being twisted. We say we send people into danger “to prevent deaths at sea”. We discuss visas in terms of “rewarding” people, not helping them. Government lawyers argue that the High Court can’t stop them transferring detainees whose existence has not been officially announced.

    And in the midst of this fuckery, our leader stands up to give a speech to a bunch of businessmen. He says that “We are not a mean or petty people. We will remain a beacon of hope and optimism, freedom and prosperity in a troubled world.” He is a man willing to trade political advantage for the lives of strangers. And here is a country that is letting him do it, that gave him the chance, and whose name and benefit is invoked as the cause with each step along his way. The stain is on all of us. We are not a beacon. We’re a lighthouse. Our signal warns mariners to stay the fuck away or we will smash you on these rocks. You’re damn right I’m ashamed.

  163. twostix

    It’s fun to see the left now actively siding with and rehabilitating the Tamil Tigers.

    That would be this group:

    According to the International Institute for Strategic Studies, LTTE was the first insurgent organisation to use concealed Explosive belts and vests.[176][177] The specialised unit that carried out suicide attacks was named the Black Tigers. According to the information published by the LTTE, the Black Tigers carried out 378 suicide attacks

    That did these things:

    The LTTE has launched attacks on civilian targets several times. Notable attacks include the Aranthalawa Massacre,[196] Anuradhapura massacre,[197] Kattankudy mosque massacre,[198] the Kebithigollewa massacre,[199] and the Dehiwala train bombing

    Using children:

    The LTTE has been accused of recruiting and using child soldiers to fight against Sri Lankan government forces.[202][203][204] The LTTE was accused of having up to 5,794 child soldiers in its ranks since 2001

    And ethnically cleansed muslims:

    The LTTE is responsible for forcibly removing, or ethnic cleansing,[216][217] of Sinhalese and Muslim inhabitants from areas under its control, and using violence against those who refuse to leave.

    Oh yeah and they were good mates with North Korea.

    And they’re now the Australian lefts best friends in its War on Tony Abbott.

  164. Bruce of Newcastle

    For Numbres: Rom 13:1-2

    Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

    Applies to Tamils too.

  165. .

    Yet 20 years later after that epic wrongology “Libertarians” continue to not just side with, but gleefully embrace the left and its neo-Lysenkoism.

    You couldn’t be anymore full of shit.

  166. jupes

    On the right the atheists can just say no, presumably, at least until they see a hot icon of St Ayn.

    Well the difference between me and you Bruce is very small. You believe 99.9% of religions are bullshit I believe they all are. And I haven’t seen a hot icon of St Ayn whatever that means.

  167. notafan

    Ethnic cleansing of muslims from the Jaffna peninsula involved 100,000 people who were allowed to leave with the equivalent of five English pounds each.
    It’s a propaganda war and the left is winning(or being sucked in).
    It doesn’t matter that the Sri Lankans admit to being economic migrants, many/most of the ones that arrived under RGR were sent straight home after many failed to even attempt to claim asylum but straight out admit to looking to work in Australia.
    One of my Tamil friends told me a ship’s captain claimed to have been voluntarily repatriated nine times under RGR.
    No-one dared to dob him in.

  168. jupes

    Fair enough Bruce, I’ve now seen a (hot?) icon of St Ayn but I’m still just saying no.

    There goes your stupid theory.

  169. .

    Ayn Rand’s problem was she was right about too much stuff. People don’t like being proven wrong. Few people tried to debate her.

    She’s not religious in any way. She’s something else, which is admirable.

  170. Bruce of Newcastle

    It was a joke Jupes. Even Christians make jokes sometimes.

    Sorry, mate, you left yourself totally open to it. You been coming to the blog how long, and you didn’t instinctively know who St Ayn was…?

    I thought of saying St Ayn and St Ludwig, but I feared someone would think I meant Bill the Cane Toad.

  171. Bern1

    Fuck you numbers.
    I served with the 5th,6th and 8th Battalions in Vietnam.I was a regular.I trained extensively in Australia with the 5th.
    About a month before we embarked for SVN a Colonel came to Holsworthy and ordered our C.O., Lieutenant Colonel Colin Kahn off the base.All national servicemen were assembled in the battalion mess.They were seated.
    The Colonel addressed them and they were issued with a paper which bore their name and a simple question.”Do you agree to serve in SVN?’They were told that if they did not agree they would be escorted to their quarters by Military Police and posted to another unit.The people in the other unit would not be told why they were posted there.
    Not one Nasho left.
    I know this to be true because my nasho mates told me AT THE TIME. Later Brigadier Colin Kahn repeated the story to me.
    I never met one nasho in any unit in SVN who was sent there against his will.Fuck I even served in Saigon for a few months.
    Your problem Numb nuts is a lefty problem.You lot never look at a situation,consider the evidence and arrive at a position. You lot come complete with opinions and tailor reality and history to your narrative.
    You are a prick.The eternal victim,if you hadn’t gone to SVN you would have had to have been molested as a child.
    Fuck off and die you motherless turdburglar.

  172. incoherent rambler

    You couldn’t be anymore full of shit.

    Using that LDP reason and logical deduction again?

  173. jupes

    It was a joke Jupes. Even Christians make jokes sometimes.

    Fair enough Bruce, I’ll pay that.

  174. Ros

    Second rung news says Brent. Times Of India disagree for one, they put the latest boat arrival, and return, at third, after israeli air strikes and escape of Nigerian girls. Third of the ten most important things right now, july 7 article.

    It is not us that live in an unreal world of the last century.

  175. Kev

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha..

    There is no doubt that Numbers served ten months in the “Fun Factory” as a rifleman/section commander with 7RAR.

    That’s Rifleman ZK2A, Numbers was definitely not Section Commander material. Amongst other things we had to motivate men, not ground them down to depression with continual nagging about the unfairness of the system. I’m proud of having been a Section Commander in 7RAR – would you take that from me?

    I seem to recall from his book that he did spend time in the bush as a rifleman but was posted back to the Q Store in Nui Dat to finish his time in-country. If his attitude was the same then as now, and if he was in my section, I would have asked to have him sent back to the rear area as well.

    Gab…No point repeating the truth, he will deny it as it is outside his victim of conservative government beliefs.

    As reasonable folk with a common sense view of the word and history we really should ignore him. His hatred of the US and general demeanour, in my opinion, positions him in the same camp as those who denigrated our service when we came home.

    Leave him his victim status and move on, is my advice.

  176. Bruce of Newcastle

    Fine video Leo. I would be very happy that religion was removed completely from secular government (aka Mk 12:17), as she criticised the GOP for debasing as a principle. Sadly that will never stop the Left from trying to force the Green-Progressive religion down all our throats.

    I don’t know what the answer is.

  177. Tom

    Thank you, Bern. Saved to the remembery for future ref.

  178. .

    IR – you are becoming a hysterical anti LDP troll again. You were proven wrong and didn’t debate. Now you make cheap shots and cry that people aren’t willing to debate you.

    Harden the fuck up, Princess or at least make an argument.

  179. twostix

    Yet 20 years later after that epic wrongology “Libertarians” continue to not just side with, but gleefully embrace the left and its neo-Lysenkoism.

    You couldn’t be anymore full of shit.

    Oh dot.

    Yobbo certainly doesn’t make it easy for you does he?

  180. oldsalt

    Looking more and more as if the Indian boats could have been part of an illegal labour scam, not even self motivated economic refugees. Their choice of NZ reflects the trend in Indonesia and it was just a matter of time before somebody asked for safe passage to NZ, fuel and logistics en route. This episode has a ways to run yet and the outcome may influence whether people already in the pipeline ask smugglers in Indon to send them to NZ via Aus.

  181. Fuck you numbers.

    That is what this post is all about, although it is interesting because of this extract -

    About a month before we embarked for SVN a Colonel came to Holsworthy and ordered our C.O., Lieutenant Colonel Colin Kahn off the base.

    Now if this was true, (and unlike others who post here, I assume honesty, even when what I disagree with the content), you would have to ask why the CO was removed.
    It has all the flavor of an “unofficial” parade, hence the absence of records.
    No such sit-down parade occurred in which I was present.

    I know this to be true because my nasho mates told me AT THE TIME. Later Brigadier Colin Kahn repeated the story to me.

    So, once again, it is hearsay.
    I’ll continue to research this until I arrive at the truth.
    Truth is always the best antidote for the historical revisionists.
    The evidence indicates the likelihood that -
    1. Some units may have conducted some kind of “opt-out” parade.
    2. There are conflicting accounts – some talk about being asked to take a pace out of the ranks – some (like the angry man’[s post above) talk about a sit-down parade.
    3. If these paraaeds happened, they were conducted in such a way to keep them out of circulation.
    What is evident is the discomfort caused when the politically correct narrative is disturbed.

    Fuck off and die you motherless turdburglar.

    You need help.

  182. Leave him his victim status and move on, is my advice.

    I would be a victim if I went along with a rationalizing myth.
    I’m interested in the truth – nor a romanticized narrative.
    For many, the truth is unpalatable, so history is re-written.
    The inability to face up to the truth of history is a particularly obscene form of cowardice.

    If you re-read my book, Kev, you’ll note that -

    Prior to this, we’d registered our preferences for Corps posting. As a teacher, it seemed logical to apply for Education Corps. My second preference was Transport because I liked the idea of sitting on an upholstered seat with a roof over my head to keep the elements out. Driving also meant not walking. Unsurprisingly I’d an aversion to both walking and inclement weather during recruit training. I felt reasonably content in with these preferences. After all, I could teach and I could drive, so it made sense for them to post me to one or the other. The only Corps I wasn’t keen on was Infantry. My posting came out. It was Infantry.

    (p19)
    And -

    I thrived on it physically, and by the end of Corps training, was the fittest I have ever been. Our next posting was to units, so I decided to request 4 Battalion, which had just returned from Vietnam and was based at Townsville in my native Queensland.

    It didn’t happen. I found myself posted to 7RAR which was Sydney base, and already warned for its second tour to South Vietnam in 1970. There wasn’t a think I could do about it, but pack up my gear, and drive my beetle (with a replacement second-hand motor installed) to Holsworthy barracks to join 7RAR in June, 1969.

    (p20) Given that I first tried to get a non-combatant posting, and then tried to get a posting to a unit not warned for Vietnam, my intentions were clear. “There wasn’t a thing I could do about it” was my clear understanding at the time. I would have jumped at the chance to opt out.
    For the record – I was never given the option not to go to Vietnam.

  183. Yobbo

    Yeah, a survey conducted by a homo bringing up 2 kids with his “partner”.

    Fuck off, your ladyboy is getting lonely…

    Anti-gay comments at the Cat get less classy every week.

  184. Yobbo

    The standards of debate here should lift. They’ve dropped and it is tedious responding to what is no better than Twitter trolling, regarding content that has been discussed ad nauseum.

    Amen

  185. Derp

    All anecdotal evidence is equal,
    some anecdotal evidence is more equal than others.

  186. Yobbo

    On the right the atheists can just say no, presumably, at least until they see a hot icon of St Ayn.

    There are plenty of “religions” that people can use to fill their “god-sized hole” that don’t necessarily require believing in ridiculous non-scientific creation myths and/or stupid dietary rules and/or dogmatic bigotry.

    Personally I like LaVeyan Satanism, mostly because it pisses off fundies more than if I pretended to be a Buddhist. Then you have Pastafarians.

  187. Joe Goodacre

    Thank you Bern1 and Kev.

  188. Joe Goodacre

    Private employers can do as they wish, but welfare recipients and public employees should be subject not to urine tests

    This is the problem with the LDP Dot – it’s disconnected from reality.

    The LDP wants drugs legalised, yet welfare recipients apparently can’t be expected to pass a drug test.

    How will that affect the number of welfare recipients on drugs? Drugs become legal and employers respond by requiring drug tests. So a lowly skilled person can choose between cheaper dope (thanks to legalisation) and welfare or getting a real job and having to pass a drug test.

  189. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1374932, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:48 pm
    [...]
    How will that affect the number of welfare recipients on drugs? Drugs become legal and employers respond by requiring drug tests. So a lowly skilled person can choose between cheaper dope (thanks to legalisation) and welfare or getting a real job and having to pass a drug test.

    Typical Bloviacre bullshit. “There’s not enough liberty… so less freedom is best”.

    Like Dot said:

    .
    #1374577, posted on July 9, 2014 at 10:52 am
    [...]
    You’re trying on this “any agitation to make us free is actually going to make us less free” nonsense again, it is so transparent and pathetic.

  190. .

    The LDP wants drugs legalised, yet welfare recipients apparently can’t be expected to pass a drug test.

    Of course we don’t. What people do in their spare time is their business IN A FREE COUNTRY.

    So a lowly skilled person can choose between cheaper dope (thanks to legalisation) and welfare or getting a real job and having to pass a drug test.

    A low skilled person doesn’t require drug tests, you dolt.

  191. Aristogeiton

    .
    #1374999, posted on July 9, 2014 at 5:52 pm
    [...]
    A low skilled person doesn’t require drug tests, you dolt.

    Yes. It’s expensive. Furthermore, there are skilled occupations, like programming for example, where there will be little incentive, and probably disincentive, to test for drugs.

  192. Kae

    Truffles

    “But not you Stephen…”

    LOL

    Catching up and that was a good laugh.

  193. Kae

    “I can’t invest I’m on welfare…”

    So has anyone twigged to stepins yet?

  194. Joe Goodacre

    there are skilled occupations, like programming for example, where there will be little incentive, and probably disincentive, to test for drugs.

    Agreed.

  195. Aristogeiton

    Joe Goodacre
    #1375134, posted on July 9, 2014 at 7:49 pm
    [...]
    Agreed.

    Don’t pretend we agree you illiberal twerp.

  196. Joe Goodacre

    What people do in their spare time is their business IN A FREE COUNTRY.

    No it’s not.

    It’s the employers business and in the case of charity, the benefactor’s business. Since welfare is meant to be a substitute for charity, whether recipients are using drugs is the taxpayers business.

  197. Joe Goodacre

    A low skilled person doesn’t require drug tests
    I don’t know what your experience is in.

    I can assure you in the construction business when people are either operating heavy machinery or working around it, whether they are doped up or not is worth knowing.

    It’s not expensive either. Let every know that they are subject to random drug tests and fire ones that fail and let it be known that’s why they were fired.

    No doubt there are some employees that dope outside work, who are sober at work and productive. Those people just don’t get called up for the random test.

    It seems nuts to me that you would be pro legalising drugs, but would have no interest whether welfare recipients are spending that money on drugs which in some cases like weed, would actually sap their ambition to get off welfare.

  198. nerblnob

    Not to mention bringing a dog to Australia usually involves what six months of expensive quarantine

    Not any more. A chipped and documented dog from UK only has to do about ten days.

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