Wednesday Forum: July 9, 2014 deja vu edition

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  1. Infidel Tiger

    2nd amendment. Use it

  2. Carpe Jugulum

    Nice & shiny new thread – lovely

  3. I saw Jersey Boys (movie) last night. A bit meh in places.

  4. Infidel Tiger

    I saw Jersey Boys (movie) last night. A bit meh in places.

    I loved the stage show. Never knew I was into Broadway musicals until I saw that.

  5. Viva

    Palmer’s political career will soon draw to a close:

    Document spells sign of trouble for Clive Palmer on Chinese cash.

    You know this is beginning to look like the long running Bruce Wilson/Julia Gillard slush fund saga.
    A lot of forensic sleuthing by Hedley Thomas that never seems to get anywhere.

  6. Viva

    Document spells sign of trouble for Clive Palmer on Chinese cash.

    You know this is beginning to look like the long running Bruce Wilson/Julia Gillard slush fund saga.
    A lot of forensic sleuthing by Hedley Thomas that never seems to get anywhere.

  7. incoherent rambler

    The green/ALP distaste for oil/gas/coal leaves are desperately short of energy sources.
    We may have overlooked a prime source of renewable energy – whales!
    Yes, we can burn whale oil lamps and use whale oil to fire our electricity generation plants.
    The leftover hydrocarbons can be converted to cheap diesel fuel (sure to get Ricky’s approval).
    As a bonus we sell trophy hunting rights to tourists during the whale hunts (firing a laser guided harpoon makes a .500 Jeffery look ordinary).

    It is amazing how the obvious is so easily overlooked.

  8. incoherent rambler

    That is – leaves us

  9. Token

    Hello great magic spam blocker, will you or will you not allow me to post at this hour?

    All I ask is for a short window of time to engage in dialog before your unearthly wrath is brought down upon me once more…

    Amen

  10. Token

    No, the spam blocker is once more in a wrathful / old testiment mood.

    Ciao.

  11. Grigory M

    All over again. Where’s Yogi Berra?

  12. incoherent rambler

    And the CSIRO has just confirmed that unlike solar and wind whales can provide 24 x 7 electricity.

  13. Leo G

    Document spells sign of trouble for Clive Palmer on Chinese cash.

    The document is evidence for breach of contract by Palmer and his fall guy.
    But is there any indication that he may face criminal charges? Western Australian or Queensland Police don’t seem to have taken any definite steps in that direction.

  14. .

    History in the making:

    https://www.facebook.com/LDP.australia/posts/10152269955317672

    “David (Leyonhjelm) is making his first (Senatorial) speech this afternoon at around 5pm”

  15. twostix is, of course, correct. Carry on, twostix!

  16. Bruce of Newcastle

    A lot of forensic sleuthing by Hedley Thomas that never seems to get anywhere.

    The measure of progress is which side is the alleged perp on. If he, she or it is on a side even marginally associated with the left then glaciers melt faster than legal action proceeds.

    Crap way to run a country but its what we got at the moment.

  17. Toiling Mass

    Junanan-ban!

    It isn’t much, bit it is the best I have managed for a while.

  18. Toiling Mass

    Sorry, Junana-ban. And not even that.

  19. Bruce of Newcastle

    If you want to know why I’m negative about our legal system its because I read Grace Collier’s Weekend Oz column for lunch. Made me weep in my heart.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    Supply-side economics and the ‘Laffer Curve’ at work in Kansas.

    They haven’t cut taxes and regulations enough.

  21. Grigory M

    History in the making

    Hyperbowl.

  22. Perfidious Albino

    +1 Bruce, Grace does good work.

    With regards Latham and his ilk, one despairs that we’re all assumed to be goldfish with a 1 minute memory span…

    By the by, I happened across an old episode of Location, Location Australia a few weekends back and was surprised to find our Grace as one half of the subject couple seeking new digs.

  23. H B Bear

    Mumble’s commentary today is so stupid that reader comments have been banned:

    Dumble does this a lot. Must be a fan of Conroy.

  24. incoherent rambler

    Just a gut feeling, but I think this senate will be short lived.

  25. stevo

    Grace collier for PM. Give her 6 years to sort out industrial relations and I think we would have a remarkably better country.

  26. ChrisPer

    Well I expect David L’s maiden speech to be every bit as good as his columns of late! And its pretty obvious the MSM won’t be able to make him out to be the village idiot, because PUP and Ricky Muir have cornered that market.

  27. Grigory M

    Just a gut feeling, but I think this senate will be short lived.

    IR – maybe a DD before Christmas.

  28. JC

    Grace collier for PM. Give her 6 years to sort out industrial relations and I think we would have a remarkably better country.

    Yea, she’s damn good value. Unusually ( because she’s a she) Grace would make a great PM.

  29. David

    Cornwall Light Infantry [32nd Regiment]

  30. .

    I can’t believe how feral and ill bred the ALP senators are. They are not worthy of the title.

    It does show how the criminal union movement are they mates however, in bed with the mafia.

    If the Senate doesn’t last, good, we need to clear out the Greens, trim back the ALP and I reckon Leyonhjelm and Day with earn re-election, possibly with more LDP and FFP Senators.

  31. ChrisPer

    Just a gut feeling, but I think this senate will be short lived.

    Yay, for a DD!

  32. .

    “will earn re-election”

  33. JC

    Stephanie

    Stop hanging around blogs. Get yourself a job, even washing dishes at the back of a restaurant and get the fuck off centrelink. There’s no use grumbling that the big bad miners are doing you out of your entitlement……get a fucking job you lazy fuck.

  34. harrys on the boat

    Stephanie has to be an Alene Composta. An unemployable greens voting university graduate – a complete cnut in human terms – is just too obvious.

    IT are you going to the Eagles v Tigers next week?

  35. incoherent rambler

    Let’s wait and see if the MSM butcher the LDP senator or just ignore him.

    $10 they ignore him.

  36. .

    IR wants the LDP to fail.

    Bring on decades of socialism under Abbott. It’s for our own good!

  37. incoherent rambler

    IR wants the LDP dot to failgrow up.

  38. .

    Stephanie has to be an Alene Composta. An unemployable greens voting university graduate – a complete cnut in human terms – is just too obvious.

    Well….

    Stephan,

    Tell us how much mining industry profits you are entitled to for doing nothing…

    Certainly more than I’m getting now, which is a sickly two-speed economy, massive biodiversity loss from shoddy land offset/rehabilitation and a warmer atmosphere. Fuck sake, for that kind of damage we should be getting at least half of their total profits. Fucking egregious vandals and their enablers eh.

    I reckon. Well played, Sinclair.

  39. .

    I want you to stop being an idiot, IR.

    Leyonhjelm is more than capable than handling media twats.

  40. Peter from SA

    Just watching a bit of the Senate … it is just a non-stop slanging match. Doesn’t the speaker have the power to chuck people out like in the lower house?

    I guess it is a bit special for them to be getting lots of attention just now. Red Underpants man seems to be one of the worst offenders.

  41. possibly with more LDP and FFP Senators.

    But only if they run decent candidates.

    LOCAL ones, for preference. For LOCAL people.

    Twelvty.

  42. Percy

    Red Underpants man seems to be one of the worst offenders.

    The milk in his morning coffee wasn’t glowing, always puts him in a bad moooood for the rest of the day

  43. JC

    If the senate gets the boot and Ricky Muir the new Greens senator gets the size 10 how would his entitlements go? He wouldn’t be entitled to a pension, right?

    If not Ricky is going to try and keep the senate going.

    How else would the fuck earn 200k per year?

  44. Infidel Tiger

    IT are you going to the Eagles v Tigers next week?

    No. I’m pretending this season never happened. Straight to the forgettery

  45. incoherent rambler

    Leyonhjelm is more than capable than handling media twats.

    That is why they will ignore him. Unless, of course, he mentions the Abbott Satan.
    The LDP cannot expect good luck to repeat itself at the next election, they need votes so that they want to make an appearance in the next senate. Has he been on ‘Sunrise’ yet?

    The bet is out there.

  46. Stephan

    People who think a DD might happen are ignoring two critical points:

    1.) The incumbent has consistently trailed in polls for the last 6 months, and now trails by a gaping margin.

    2.) DD’s have not once played out as the incumbent intended, and have always been net losses for them.

  47. incoherent rambler

    1.) The incumbent has consistently trailed in polls for the last 6 months, and now trails by a gaping margin.

    A DD might appeal if that vote continues heading south. Live on your knees or die on your feet.

  48. JC

    And the incumbents have consistently won on the betting markets too, Stephanie.

    So they lose a couple of seats in the house. Big deal, as a joint sitting would get all their important things through. Get a fucking job and stop discussing politics on blogs.

  49. Stephan

    A DD might appeal if that vote continues heading south. Live on your knees or die on your feet.

    I think if it came to that, the path of least resistance (by a long shot) would be a leadership challenge. Put yourself is a backbencher’s shoes – for the majority of them self-preservation comes a long way before ideology, letalone political pride.

  50. Stephan

    Get a fucking job and stop discussing politics on blogs.

    Good point. Time to make some phone calls.

  51. JC

    Stephanie

    Libs aren’t like the liars party where a one point move in the polls means backbencher unrest and the faction chiefs sharpening their knives. Go get a fucking job you useless specimen.

  52. JC

    Stephanie

    If you really wanted a job… Even a job for the day or even a couple of days, I bet you could get one by going around restaurants and coffee shops asking if they needed a dish washer/busboy. I reckon you could get one under 3 hours of searching if you were happy doing so at 10 bucks an hour. Take your own washing gloves and show initiative.

  53. Gab

    David Leyonhjelm should be getting more exposure now given he voted against the repeal of upcoming tax cuts.

  54. john constantine

    i did kick some money [with a few other like minded individuals] into a speculation in sri lanka a few years ago.

    retrieved the risk capital, and have a very small percentage interest in the project now, but the current value exceeds the original kick in.

    lot of reasons not to go overboard on sri lanka, but there is a foundation of rule of law there, the place has population density enough to maintain infrastructure, and there is a kinda sorta work ethic [compared to many places].

    lot of interest currently in the place, so it is funny to see a flavour of the month investment destination described by the swampies as hell on earth.

  55. Des Deskperson

    Dove e Signore Rabz??

  56. JC

    David L’s position is limited because he said he would never ever vote for a tax increase. Good for him.

  57. Gab

    Yes it’s nice to see a politician stick to his principles even if it does some minor damage to the budget.

  58. Senator Muir’s vote raises questions about his pact with Clive Palmer’s party, delivering four out of the six crossbench votes the government requires to pass legislation and support motions.

    Senator Muir.

    Well, I suppose that’s who he is in the sight of God.

  59. incoherent rambler

    BTW. Have the Libs and ALP agreed yet on changes to the senate voting system at the next election?
    Or is it still under backroom discussion?

  60. Gab

    Muir has absolutley no idea what he’s doing let alone the ramifications of his votes. I’m tipping he sat around one day with some mates who dared him to run for the Senate.

  61. JC

    Rambler

    The fix will be worse because they’ll try to monopolise the senate. I say this even with the possibility they could destroy the green scum.

  62. JC

    Muir has absolutley no idea what he’s doing let alone the ramifications of his votes. I’m tipping he sat around one day with some mates who dared him to run for the Senate.

    Ya think? 🙂

  63. jumpnmcar

    FEWER Australians are spiralling into bankruptcy, with figures showing the lowest level of personal insolvency in almost 10 years.

    http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/fewer-australians-heading-into-bankruptcy/story-e6frfkur-1226983128020

    This will not be featured on the ABC.

  64. Des Deskperson

    Saw an, err, witty ‘progressive’ sticker on a car today: “are you hearing the truth or is your news limited?”; probably the work of a committee. Three points of note: (a) it wasn’t a Prius or a Subaru Forester, it was a little Nissan wagon (b) there was a bike in the back and (c) the ‘progressive’ had stuck it on the duco where it won’t come off without damage.

  65. candy

    I wonder if Ricky Muir can read and write properly. If he’s from a disadvantaged background that can happen, a person slips through the education system and comes out almost illiterate.
    If so someone must be reading the Senate papers etc to him to help him understand.

  66. Infidel Tiger

    What are the odds of Muir stealing a Commcar and doing burnouts?

  67. JC

    @clementine_ford: IS FACEBOOK DOWN?

    @JC: @clementine_ford lol.

  68. Lysander

    Doesn’t Muir realise the Greens want to take cars off the roads? They are for cycling pads and lycra? Not rubber.

  69. H B Bear

    Just a gut feeling, but I think this senate will be short lived.

    DD doesn’t solve anything and simply lowers the quota required for election.

    Abbott should be taking every opportunity to link Labor with the Greens. By the time of the next election people shouldn’t be able to distinguish between them.

  70. JC

    Candy

    Someone is reading the senate papers but not assisting the rickster understand what’s in them.

    He’s just told how to vote.

  71. H B Bear

    Doesn’t Muir realise …

    No.

  72. incoherent rambler

    What are the odds of Muir stealing a Commcar and doing burnouts?

    He does not need to steal it. Having enjoyed the benefits of a Commonwealth car for a number of years, I can tell you that most drivers will help you out with any special needs.

  73. Roger

    Senator Muir.

    Well, I suppose that’s who he is in the sight of God.

    On the contrary, God is no respecter of persons, PM.

  74. JC

    Can you fucking imagine Ricky in the parliamentary dining room. How the fuck would he know how to use a knife and fork?

  75. Roger

    DD doesn’t solve anything and simply lowers the quota required for election.

    Not to mention the fact that the Coalition would probably lose government if an election were held any time soon. Unless the Sri Lankan boat people thing becomes Abbott’s Tampa, that is.

  76. Dr.Sir Fred Lenin

    This Muir timber stacker doesnt vote like the othetpr palmerists? I s that evil lawtradesperson we employ to mind him doing the thinking such as it is . We all know nearly all of these unelected swill do as rhe party aparatchiks tell them ,but for one more or less public servant to dictate what muir says is a travesty,this mob definately prove we dont need upper houses ,its only jobs for the unemployable .It would be much cheaper to have them on Centrelink.and we wouldnt have to listen to them.

  77. Gab

    Can you fucking imagine Ricky in the parliamentary dining room. How the fuck would he know how to use a knife and fork?

    What’s the bet he carries around a How To Breathe card in his pocket?

  78. JC

    Did Ricky make a maiden speech… Or in his case a bachelor one.. Attempting to sound gender sensitive in this modern age as I’m trying to impress the gals here)

  79. candy

    Just a gut feeling, but I think this senate will be short lived.

    My feeling is that Tony Abbott will endeavour to work respectfully with the new senators for a little while and if they are still obstructionist he will be more forceful with the situation. What’s to lose?
    Letting GreenLabor get their hopes up about a DD doesn’t hurt him. He can let them think that for the next two years.

  80. ChrisPer

    Thank the deity I declined when they asked ME to run for Senate. You guys would have torn me to shreds.

  81. Did Ricky make a maiden speech… Or in his case a bachelor one.. Attempting to sound gender sensitive in this modern age as I’m trying to impress the gals here)

    Dunno about you other ladies, but I’m in love.

    JC, I can tell by the way you use your walk, you’re a woman’s man; no time to talk.

  82. Gab

    I really do hope Boob Ellis writes Muir’s maiden speech for him. Would be a hoot. Failing that, Philippa could channel Ellis and write the maiden speech … come to think of it, does Muir even know what a maiden speech is?

  83. candy

    Jc are you fishing for compliments? you know you already impress the gals.

  84. Grigory M

    A DD might appeal if that vote continues heading south.

    A DD that results in a reduced majority in the House of Reps and a small majority in the Senate would be a very good outcome for the Government. If the internal polling says so, then a DD may be hard to resist.

  85. Gab

    Attempting to sound gender sensitive in this modern age as I’m trying to impress the gals here)

    Look, the minute you walked in the joint, one could see you were a man of distinction, a real gender-sensitive type.

  86. Thank the deity I declined when they asked ME to run for Senate. You guys would have torn me to shreds.

    That depends. Take this handy Catallaxyfiles test:

    1) Can you remember to breathe?
    2) Are you in favour of lower taxes all round?
    3) Are you naturally suspicious of fat men bearing gifts?
    4) Can you avoid Malcolm Turnbull?

    If you answered yes to all of the above, you’d do all right here as a Senate candidate, as far as I can see.

  87. Peter from SA

    Thank the deity I declined when they asked ME to run for Senate. You guys would have torn me to shreds.

    I didn’t know we had a Palmer employee in the ranks here?

  88. Look, the minute you walked in the joint, one could see you were a man of distinction, a real gender-sensitive type.

    Damn straight, Gab. I don’t pop my cork for every man I see.

  89. egg_

    (a) it wasn’t … a Subaru Forester

    The lesbians’ car of choice.

    c/- Chelsea Handler.

  90. Roger

    ‘If the internal polling says so, then a DD may be hard to resist.’
    You’re an optimist, Grigory.

  91. Liberal party apparatchiks up to the usual………….this time in SA.

  92. Gab

    I don’t pop my cork for every man I see.

    That’s becasue he’s good lookin’ and so refined.

  93. struth

    Ya…..hoo…..Australia 2014 ……..you’re standing in it

  94. candy

    That’s because he’s good lookin’ and so refined.

    ricky Muir?

  95. JC

    Grogory

    If you must post comments here can you at least learn how to use HTML boxes correctly, you imbecile.

  96. Gab

    Don’t be absurd Candy and do keep up! JC.

  97. That depends. Take this handy Catallaxyfiles test:

    1) Can you remember to breathe?
    2) Are you in favour of lower taxes all round?
    3) Are you naturally suspicious of fat men bearing gifts?
    4) Can you avoid Malcolm Turnbull?

    5. Can you count to 21 without getting naked?
    6. Does tubby milnes voice make you want to pierce your eardrums?
    7. Can you dress yourself without written instructions?

    If you answered yes then the Senate needs you

  98. Grigory M

    Sweetness – it’s clear the other girls have gathered around to support you. Nice how they do that … sometimes … when it suits them. Next, you’ll be off to high tea.

  99. does Muir even know what a maiden speech is?

    Page 27 of ’50 Shades of Grey’?

  100. nic

    Did Ricky make a maiden speech…

    Shoo shoo testin, shoo shoo. Oi is this thing on? Bita shush please. Oim Ricky Muir, mates call me Muirder , cos once I left a grogan in a mate’s dunny that stunk like id killed something. Ahhh, I juz wunna talk about my love for the Green Pardy. Green was the colour of me furst ute. She used to take huge loads in the back, so I called it Bob after that skinny bloke who used to be head Green. I spun out and nerly spewed wen I found out that Christine and that other fat chick, you know the one with the cross etyes, they cum from the Green pardy too. I said get the fuck out of here? You mean youse and that wimpy turd burglar were from the same pardy? My mates are gonna piss emselves?

  101. egg_

    5. Can you count to 21 without getting naked?

    Rules out the Treasurer…

  102. Lysander

    She used to take huge loads in the back

    and now she juz likes givin it.

  103. H B Bear

    A DD that results in a reduced majority in the House of Reps and a small majority in the Senate would be a very good outcome for the Government. If the internal polling says so, then a DD may be hard to resist.

    The way the Senate is elected means the Liberals (or anyone else) can never be sure of a majority. DD makes things more unpredictable. When Howard got control of the Senate it was a 1 in 100 year event and he blew it anyway.

    Abbott and the Liberals just need to keep making their case and letting things fester. Tits doesn’t realise that being Dr No in Opposition only works when you are faced with the worst government since Federation. Bomber Beazley tried it three times and failed every time.

  104. Viva

    Say wouldn’t you like to know what’s going on in Muir’s mind?

  105. Peter from SA

    Say wouldn’t you like to know what’s going on in Muir’s mind?

    Last person that looked just got “crickets”.

  106. incoherent rambler

    8 ) Who was found guilty at the sheep dog trials?

  107. Infidel Tiger

    Ricky Gervais:

    “This won’t be the first time that thousands of Germans will have to lie low in Brazil for a while for their own safety.”

  108. notafan

    Can someone ask Senator Muir what happens when the sun doesn’t shine and the wind doesn’t blow.
    I don’t suppose he is on twitter or Facebook.

  109. Aristogeiton

    Viva
    #1374881, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:10 pm
    Say wouldn’t you like to know what’s going on in Muir’s mind?

    I have a recording.

  110. Gab

    Tom
    #1374255, posted on July 9, 2014 at 2:54 am

    It never ceases to astonish me how self-righteous fucktard moochers like our latest troll have no compunction about stealing other people’s money. The defining characteristics of the modern Australian totalitarian left, apart from insolence, laziness and zombieism, are envy and covetousness. The scum at the bottom of the middle class have the morality of common thieves.

    Worth repeating.

  111. Toiling Mass

    It will be interesting to count how many times Muir stops to drink water during his speech.

    He should take a paper bag with him too so he can control his panic attacks.

    Does he have a twitter account? People should tweet him, reminding him that the whole country will be watching and judging him. And that the press will be pulling his speech apart and analysing every word, every syllable, each inflection, and every little wimper. That should encourage him.

  112. ChrisPer

    Thank the deity I declined when they asked ME to run for Senate. You guys would have torn me to shreds.

    That depends. Take this handy Catallaxyfiles test:
    1) Can you remember to breathe?
    During the maiden speech? Yes, a little silence to build tension before I launch my prescription for the ABC.
    2) Are you in favour of lower taxes all round? Not only am I in favour of it, I would VOTE for it.
    3) Are you naturally suspicious of fat men bearing gifts? Al Gore wasn’t, but maybe the size of the gift was fat too.
    4) Can you avoid Malcolm Turnbull? They won’t give me a vote should they dump Tony, but I would give Julie Bishop a run if they did. And I would have Swan, Conroy, Plibersek and Wong sacrificed on the Members Altar as a pleasing aroma, in thanks if Malcolm acted like a conservative with principles.

    I didn’t know we had a Palmer employee in the ranks here?

    Better than that, I hope. S&FP . Our people are a bit more capable than Ricky, and owe the voters our loyalty, not some one who paid for us to come along in their train.

    That said, Ricky is in because of our circular preference agreement, and S&FP share the ,er, credit for that.

  113. incoherent rambler

    9 ) Can you order a slab in the Parliamentary dining room?

  114. Baldrick

    I’m late to the party. Oh well, never mind … Imperial Camel Corps.

    The men of the ICC had a rough reputation, largely because when the Corps was originally formed Australian battalion commanders had seized upon it as an opportunity to offload some of their more difficult characters.

  115. JC

    It will be interesting to count how many times Muir stops to drink water during his speech.

    I don’t think he will be able to make one. I’m going to check to see if he’s on twitter and send him some encouragement.

  116. Peter from SA

    9 ) Can you order a slab in the Parliamentary dining room?

    Ricky might ask how much for a lap dance too?

  117. Leyonhjelm votes with the Greens.
    That popping sound is Glibertarian heads exploding.

  118. Baldrick

    “Saving lives at sea is meaningless.. !! ”

    Sarah Hyphen Two-Dads – Australian Senate, 9 July 2014.

  119. ChrisPer

    9 ) Can you order a slab in the Parliamentary dining room?

    What no $3000 bottle of Grange? Single malt for me thanks, what are you having IR?

  120. incoherent rambler

    Ricky might ask how much for a lap dance too?

    With Sarah?
    The wastepaper basket was not mad for this … [retch]

  121. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Australian battalion commanders seized upon it as an opportunity to offload some of their more difficult characters

    Naaaah! Never happen! (“You, you you and you are going to this new Camel Corps. Great opportunity to unload some of the King’s hard bargains.”)

  122. incoherent rambler

    Single malt for me thanks, what are you having IR?

    Glengoyne 18 yo.

  123. Gab

    “Saving lives at sea is meaningless.. !! ”

    Sarah Hyphen Two-Dads – Australian Senate, 9 July 2014.

    Finally the crazy-eyed dumb child senator says something we’ve known all along about her and the Greens: she doesn’t give a toss about people drowning, she is only interested in thwarting the highly successful stop the boats operation.

  124. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ricky might ask how much for a lap dance too?

    Can he put it on his credit card?

  125. Roger

    she doesn’t give a toss about people drowning, she is only interested in thwarting the highly successful stop the boats operation.

    SHY and George Newhouse would make a fabulous couple.

  126. Gab

    Sarah Two-Dumb:

    The Prime Minister has no morals.

    Sarah Dumb-Bimbo:

    Saving lives at sea is meaningless.. !!

  127. incoherent rambler

    Ricky might ask how much for a lap dance too?

    Can he put it on his credit card?

    I forgot to ask, who got the frequent flyer points for all those union credit card purchases? The points would be worth a motza.

  128. Aristogeiton

    1735099
    #1374896, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:25 pm
    Leyonhjelm votes with the Greens.
    That popping sound is Glibertarian heads exploding.

    Personally I can’t believe that a libertarian senator voted against a tax increase. My head is exploding! Numbers, thanks for pointing this out! I’ve decided to vote Labor henceforth.

  129. outsider

    ‘Grace Collier for PM.’
    I say this every saturday morning, the woman has more guts than the entire LNP.
    What is Brandis up to with the pledge to re-establish the ABCC? Pull your finger out, pal, this is the main game.

  130. Percy

    Leyonhjelm votes with the Greens.

    You mean the Greens vote with Leyonhjelm.

    Not a bad start for a libertarian, managing to get the watermelon party to vote against a tax increase.

  131. Yobbo

    Yes it’s nice to see a politician stick to his principles even if it does some minor damage to the budget.

    Lowering taxes is much more important than balancing the budget.

  132. incoherent rambler

    What is Brandis up to with the pledge to re-establish the ABCC?

    An offer he could not refuse from the CFMEU?

  133. Aristogeiton

    Yobbo
    #1374911, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:38 pm
    […]
    Lowering taxes is much more important than balancing the budget.

    +1

  134. Gab

    Lowering taxes is much more important than balancing the budget.

    And I never said otherwise.

  135. Aristogeiton

    outsider
    #1374909, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:34 pm
    […]
    What is Brandis up to with the pledge to re-establish the ABCC? Pull your finger out, pal, this is the main game.

    Brandis always honours his pledges /sarc

  136. Baldrick

    Press Release – Senator Ricky Muir Victoria:

    … Senator Ricky Muir and the Palmer United Party will also vote together to ensure the Carbon Tax Repeal Legislation passes through all stages in the Senate by tomorrow.
    Following the real of the Carbon Tax Legislation the Climate Change Authority Bill will be debated where Senator Muir will support amendments to establish a future Emission Trading Scheme.
    “This is a win win situation for the Australian Motoring Enthusiasts Party, the Palmer United Party and the community”, said Senator Muir. “I have been a supporter of renewable energy for a long time and I am very pleased with this outcome.”

  137. Aristogeiton

    Fuck the SMH’s ‘national political reporter’ is an idiot. In a ‘surprise move’, David L did exactly what he’s been saying he will do for the last 6 months.

  138. Aristogeiton

    Baldrick
    #1374916, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:41 pm
    Press Release – Senator Ricky Muir Victoria:

    People were panicking about Muir not having a mind of his own and voting en block with the PUP. Could it be it is much worse that he is of his own mind? For a given value of ‘mind’.

  139. Yobbo

    David L gets the greens to vote against a tax hike, and still the resident trolls here think it’s something the LDP should be embarrassed about.

    There’s just no pleasing them.

  140. notafan

    So if Muir votes for a RET it will get up?

  141. Grigory M

    a politician

    A politician is an arse upon which everyone has sat except a man

    … E.E. Cummings

  142. Gab

    “I have been a supporter of renewable energy for a long time and I am very pleased with this outcome.”

    The V8 rev-head thinks petrol is wot is known as “renewable energy”. He’s dumber than a slug.

  143. incoherent rambler

    I am off to watch a movie called ‘Idiocracy’

  144. Aristogeiton

    notafan
    #1374921, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:44 pm
    So if Muir votes for a RET it will get up?

    What do you mean ‘get up’. We already have this policy, and it has bipartisan support.

  145. Baldrick

    If Labor, Greens, PUP and Muir vote to amend the existing ETS legislation, then yes it will get up.

  146. Aristogeiton

    incoherent rambler
    #1374925, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:45 pm
    I am off to watch a movie called ‘Idiocracy’

    It’s great. Mike Judge, who created ‘Beavis and Butthead’ (forgive him). Also ‘Office Space’, I think, which is great as well.

  147. Does he have a twitter account?

    He does indeed Toiling Mass

    https://twitter.com/muir_ricky

  148. Aristogeiton

    Baldrick
    #1374928, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:47 pm
    If Labor, Greens, PUP and Muir vote to amend the existing ETS legislation, then yes it will get up.

    And these ‘amendments’ pass the House, how?

  149. Aristogeiton

    Seriously, some posters here lack even the most rudimentary civics.

  150. farmer Gez

    Could someone explain to me the fascination the legally trained have with process and how they can ignore outcomes at the same time? If boats get processed then we get more. A five thousand kilometre trip in the open, deep ocean. Do they care for consequence? I don’t want our service people rescuing refugees or fishing dead bodies out of the Indian ocean, then again, Im not a lawyer.

  151. notafan

    I meant the amendments, sorry
    Well, Aristo don’t tell Ricky that the amendments have to pass the House as well.
    We might end up with no RET 🙂

  152. Baldrick

    And these ‘amendments’ pass the House, how?

    An ETS has already been passed by both Houses to come into effect after the Carbon Tax …
    Seriously, some posters here lack even the most rudimentary civics.

  153. Motelier

    Thanks cats and kittehs,

    I have been a bit busy, but have now caught up.

    Nice to see the usual troll belters are in fine form.

    And nice to see we have hatched a new troll. Stephan will not last long. Already spent too much time looking and absorbing moocher material to be useful to anyone. JC…..I would not employ him in the kitchen. The commercial dishwasher does a load in 3 minutes, and I am sure that Stephan would be arguing the toss with the dishwasher and not loading the next tray.

    And some of the humour in here should be taped.

  154. James

    A DD that results in a reduced majority in the House of Reps and a small majority in the Senate would be a very good outcome for the Government.

    How will there be any majority in the Senate when the HoR vote goes down? Isn’t that wishful thinking?

    Most likely Labor Green will control both houses again in the next election.

    In the mean time, the Liberals will cop all the flak for the RGR landmines. They will lose the fiscal competence argument when the budget position worsens. The boats will come back after the High Court ruling.

    Abbott might as well forget about the senate and only govern through regulation.

    He can claim his legacy as stopping the boat for 200 days; 2 free trade agreements, possibly 3; Sydney second airport and building some infrastructure, getting rid of carbon tax and mining tax. He has fulfilled what he is voted in for and can retire with his head held high.

    The Liberals should develop their platform and groom a new generation of ministers before the 2016 election.

    Pyne’s university reforms and Dutton’s co-payment should be dumped. Those “reforms” are losing votes and not saving money, come with many possible problems and hard to justify any merit. Lose-lose for the government.

    They are starting too many reviews and now open too many fronts for “reforms”. The next election should focus on policies that help businesses and affordable child care, bread and butter issues that people really care.

    Forget about bringing the budget to balance. I am glad that the senate is blocking all the fixes. What is the point of gifting the next Labor government a healthy budget just like Howard? Problem with Hockey’s budget is that he is hurting his own base while the “improvements” will not be obvious till the next term or after. All pain and no gain.

    Abbott should stop being so selfless. Get more cunning and ruthless like Howard. Hope the tide can turn when the Royal Commission on unions come up with something, or the Chinese government decides to do something about Palmer.

    The Royal Commission should have been big news. Problem is, the issues are too complex. Someone should spell it out in simple English, all the talk back radios and conservative blogs should discuss the day’s proceedings.

  155. Aristogeiton

    Baldrick
    #1374936, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:53 pm
    And these ‘amendments’ pass the House, how?

    An ETS has already been passed by both Houses to come into effect after the Carbon Tax …
    Seriously, some posters here lack even the most rudimentary civics.

    Can you fucking read:

    Aristogeiton
    #1374926, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:45 pm
    notafan
    #1374921, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:44 pm
    So if Muir votes for a RET it will get up?

    What do you mean ‘get up’. We already have this policy, and it has bipartisan support.

  156. Baldrick

    Ari … I’m not going to be your butt boy for this evening. Go pick an argument with someone else. Tossa!

  157. Yobbo

    Less than a day in the senate and the LDP has already saved Australian taxpayers $2 billion.

  158. Personally I can’t believe that a libertarian senator voted against a tax increase. My head is exploding! Numbers, thanks for pointing this out! I’ve decided to vote Labor henceforth.

    Ari, you will go to Heaven for that.

    Poor Numbers was trying so hard to get a response, and was being utterly ignored because he was posting drivel, the poor darling.

    It’s good to see that compassion is not lacking on the Cat.

  159. Aristogeiton

    Baldrick
    #1374940, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:56 pm
    Ari … I’m not going to be your butt boy for this evening. Go pick an argument with someone else. Tossa!

    I’m not ‘picking an argument’. Your comment was all shades of stupid. You just don’t like it being pointed out.

  160. Oh come on

    Numbers is the king of the hopelessly misplaced gotcha. Fran Barlow still holds the record for the most spectacular gotcha-fail – her attempt to highlight the hypocrisy of a bunch of Cat libertarians/small govt conservatives by drawing their attention to the catastrophic War On Drugs, which she boobishly assumed we’d all be hot for – but Numbers runs rings around her in terms of attempts.

    Numbers wins!

  161. Aristogeiton

    Philippa Martyr
    #1374942, posted on July 9, 2014 at 4:58 pm
    […]
    Poor Numbers was trying so hard to get a response, and was being utterly ignored because he was posting drivel, the poor darling.

    I mostly scroll past… Sorry peeps. DNFTT, I know…

  162. egg_

    Ricky might ask how much for a lap dance too?

    With Sarah?

    Lap-band dance?

  163. Aristogeiton

    egg_
    #1374946, posted on July 9, 2014 at 5:00 pm
    […]
    Lap-band dance?

    Vomited a little in my mouth.

  164. Infidel Tiger #1374714, posted on July 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    2nd amendment. Use it

    Infidel Tiger #1374716, posted on July 9, 2014 at 1:32 pm

    Fuck you.

    LOL. Thanks IT. I needed that today

  165. Grigory M

    Seriously, some posters here lack even the most rudimentary civics.

    Civics is the study of the great theoretical and practical aspects of citizenship, its rights and duties; the duties of citizens to each other as members of a political body and to the government. It includes the study of civil law and civil code, and the study of government with attention to the role of citizens ? as opposed to external factors ? in the operation and oversight of government.

    Within a given political or ethical tradition, civics refers to educating the citizens. The history of civics dates back to the earliest theories of civics by Confucius in ancient China and Plato in ancient Greece.

    – Wiki.

  166. Numbers is the king of the hopelessly misplaced gotcha. Fran Barlow still holds the record for the most spectacular gotcha-fail

    Dunno about that. Van Badham’s own goal in having her Frightbat Fightback t-shirts printed on American Apparel merchandise was well-nigh unbeatable.

  167. twostix

    Senator David Leyonhjelm voted with Labor and the Greens to block government moves to scrap the tax cuts linked to the carbon tax.

    Leyonhelm said he would never vote for a tax increase.

    Good on him.

    He’s not obliged to help the liberals in their sickening quest to find the funds to pay for Gillard’s massive government expansion (implemented without the slightest mandate to do so , mind).

  168. Oh come on

    Only on this blog, Philippa! Not nationwide. Poor Numbers wouldn’t stand a chance.

  169. Yobbo

    The liberals could just dump their ridiculous PPL scheme if they want to save money twostix. There’s no need to raise taxes. Something that David will continue to remind them for the next 6 years.

  170. Aristogeiton

    Yobbo
    #1374954, posted on July 9, 2014 at 5:09 pm
    The liberals could just dump their ridiculous PPL scheme if they want to save money twostix. There’s no need to raise taxes. Something that David will continue to remind them for the next 6 years.

    Typical ivory tower libertarianism /sarc

  171. Oh come on

    I would also argue that while all gotcha-fails are own goals, not all own goals are gotcha-fails. Numbers is the Catallaxy master of a specific type of own goal.

  172. Delta A

    Two serves of Unicorn meat ‘n chips, please, Philippa. Oh, and maybe some honeyed crickets for afters? Ta.

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    Seriously, some posters here lack even the most rudimentary civics.

    Politics is rough and tumble. Muir is rough and SHY is…er

    Problem for Muir is he hasn’t yet realised that renewable energy is institutionalised fraud. He might like to read about this guy in my town:

    Power bill changes turn customers off

    RON Bender had hoped his days of bill shock were behind him when he installed 31 solar panels on the roof of his Eleebana home.

    He was wrong.

    Like other EnergyAustralia customers, the former Newcastle police commander discovered his electricity bill would be rising.

    That was bad enough … then came the news he would also be paid less for the energy his solar panels would feed into the grid.

    EnergyAustralia reduced the price it will pay to those providing solar power to the grid from 6¢ a kilowatt hour to 5.1¢.

    ‘‘Why should I be generating power for them to sell at 49¢ when they’re paying me 5.1¢ for it?’’ he asked.

    He has thirty one bloody solar panels on his roof. That many they must be hanging over the edges. And he is complaining about being stiffed? Stiffer becomes stiffee.

    RET is one ginormous rort. It barely saves a tonne of CO2 and costs are vast.

  174. Aristogeiton

    Bruce of Newcastle
    #1374958, posted on July 9, 2014 at 5:15 pm
    […]
    RET is one ginormous rort. It barely saves a tonne of CO2 and costs are vast.

    Far worse than the carbon tax.

  175. Aristogeiton

    Delta A
    #1374957, posted on July 9, 2014 at 5:12 pm
    […]
    Oh, and maybe some honeyed crickets for afters? Ta.

    Who are you, John the Baptist?

  176. Geriatric Mayfly

    Surprising, that the bravura performance of Boral’s CEO at the RC today, has largely gone unnoticed here. Maybe the teflon will eventually peel away from this Setka fellow. How is it, that he and his coterie can totally ignore a court injunction with such scant regard for the law? And where is the law when it comes to enforcing it own edicts?

  177. Motelier

    Senator Muir and the Greens…..

    Hmmmmmmm sounds like a band that one P Keating would have managed.

    I do not think it would be a big success.

  178. Two serves of Unicorn meat ‘n chips, please, Philippa. Oh, and maybe some honeyed crickets for afters? Ta.

    What am I, your mother?

    Get your own.

  179. Delta A

    I’ll be whoever ya want me to be, Ari.

  180. H B Bear

    How is it, that he and his coterie can totally ignore a court injunction with such scant regard for the law?

    The CFMEU treat the Supreme Court the way most people treat the Family Court. Victorian police haven’t enforced the law since Kennett was around.

  181. Motelier

    CFMEU

    Alway slow to pay money when owed, but I bet real quick to take money.

  182. Delta A

    What am I, your mother?

    Oh, dear, that would make IT my grannie!

  183. Bruce of Newcastle

    I’ll score that one for Ari, but Delta may be foxing.

  184. CFMEU

    Alway slow to pay money when owed, but I bet real quick to take extort money.

    Mote – That seems a bit more realistic

  185. twostix

    The liberals could just dump their ridiculous PPL scheme if they want to save money twostix.

    Exactly.

    The only reason they need to repeal these minor tax cuts is because they don’t want to cut spending anywhere that matters.

  186. The Libs should scrap PPL and remove the current PPL entitlements for the PS & ALPBC. Let the moochers have the same entitlements as the average punter.

  187. candy

    Id did read via ABC that Senator Leyonhjelm would support a form of PPL if changes can be made to eeregulate child care, so LDP are not entirely against the Libs PPL at all.

  188. candy

    deregulate child care. Senator Leyonhjelm said he was amenable to a PPL.

  189. Driftforge

    Less than a day in the senate and the LDP has already saved Australian taxpayers $2 billion.

    Less than a day in the senate and the LDP has already saved Australian taxpayers put $2 billion on the tab rather than the tax return .

  190. What am I, your mother?

    Oh, dear, that would make IT my grannie!

    Just remember that.

    It’s also top of the list of reasons why I’m still single. I simply couldn’t do that to another human being.

  191. Infidel Tiger #1374835, posted on July 9, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    What are the odds of Muir stealing a Commcar and doing burnouts?

    Keep ’em coming IT

  192. Myrddin Seren

    People were panicking about Muir not having a mind of his own and voting en block with the PUP. Could it be it is much worse that he is of his own mind?

    There are huge amounts of taxpayer dollars and crony profits at stake if the Renewballs scam comes undone.

    Huge incentives to ensure the status quo is not overturned.

    Muir may have to declare his pecuniary interests but I’ll bet his handler doesn’t.

    Clive Palmer got Al Gore to eat a rancid turd sandwich for an appearance fee and sandbagging the RET scam. How much would it take to shift the Motoring Enthusiasts over to earnest believers in green energy ?

  193. 2dogs

    Apart from Muir, who were the senate crossbenchers opposing the gag on the carbon tax repeal?

  194. Oh come on

    we-should-be-free-to-smoke-dope-marry-who-we-want-buy-cheap-booze-says-liberal-democrat-senator-david-leyonhjelm

    Finally, some common sense.

  195. blogstrop

    Report of Boral Chief’s evidence to the RC linked below.

    We need an RC thread each week, since newspaper reporting is sporadic, and the TV people will find it either not LCD enough (for the commercials), or not politically acceptable for da ABC – who I’ve given up on for Lent, or actually for the whole of 2014.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/union-running-criminal-conspiracy-in-vic/story-fn3dxiwe-1226983057835

  196. Joe Goodacre

    The liberals could just dump their ridiculous PPL scheme if they want to save money

    Add to the PPL the medical slush fund to the list of other things that can be cut.

  197. Bruce of Newcastle

    How much would it take to shift the Motoring Enthusiasts over to earnest believers in green energy ?

    A Telsa S comcar? Have to be careful doing burnouts though, they explode on contact.

  198. 2dogs

    Oh, I see, the DLP’s John Madigan joined the procrastinators. Why, given he supports the repeal, doesn’t he just get on with it?

  199. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Adjust your fucking pathetic attitude; the world doesn’t owe you a living. Take what work there is and get yourself some skills that others value; don’t demand that they value the ‘skills’ that you got at Super TAFE – they are worth less to others than you imagine.

    Fair enough. I’ll try to find inspiration in your vituperative words.

    Just caught up. Last Open Forum was the Deja Vu one; entry of new trolls tends to create that – much thrashed-out old arguments are covered over and over again.

    New troll Stephan: some good advice for you from JC and Tom. You are a seriously university-damaged individual, who will have an unhappy life until you shut up, drop the sense of entitlement, and get a job. Only then will you develop the skills and understanding to distinguish anything useful you may have learned from the inculcated heap of Green-Marxist crap you purchased along with your university fees. It doesn’t matter what the job is; just get one, turn up, work hard, listen to your workmates, and notice how things work in the real world. Currently, Motelier wouldn’t employ you. Nor would many other employers on this site. Are you starting to understand why?

    I feel quite sorry for you. There are too many like you who are unemployed.

  200. Aristogeiton

    Yobbo
    #1374995, posted on July 9, 2014 at 5:50 pm
    David L’s speech is available here:

    Thanks!

  201. Bruce of Newcastle

    Or you could give Muir one of these. It has wheels, fights pollution and looks very impressive. One look and SHY would swoon.

  202. .

    university-damaged individual

    What a pearler. A beautiful turn of phrase.

  203. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    I followed the shredding of Stephan on the old thread with amusement, and then with surprise at how juvenile and self-defeating his behaviour was, and finally with some sadness.

    To wit:

    Certainly more than I’m getting now,

    Comment: So you feel entitled to the money of the productive for doing nothing.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: You are a bludger.

    which is a sickly two-speed economy,

    Comment: Did you object to the exceptionally healthy state of public finances in this country in 2008 being thrown away on nothing by incompetent squandermonkeys who ran up $600Bn in debt and made a structural deficit problem they already knew about WORSE? No?

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: You are a fabulist and a fool.

    massive biodiversity loss from shoddy land offset/rehabilitation

    Comment: Biodiversity rates in this country dropped steeply since 1950, not the least due to a ridiculously over the top national and state parks programme, and have accelerated since that OTT national/state parks program as cretinous greenfilth droolers are so stupid that they think a park = infinite goodness and needs no maintenance. So, now parks = breeding grounds for introduced feral species that exterminate the native flora and fauna. Yes, I participate in both biodiversity field survey work AND feral animal eradication on my own time and with my own money. Do you?

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: You are a gross ignoramus who bases his views on emotion and not fact.
    On a personal note: A crybaby, as we call such as you on the rare occasions they appear on a biodiversity survey team. We never see ‘em twice.

    and a warmer atmosphere.

    Comment: Oho! A gaia religious nutter AND a science-denier. The actual measurements prove the atmosphere is cooling, the sea is cooling, and the trend is towards a Dalton Minimum.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: You are a poorly educated religious fruitloop, and among the most gullible of God’s creatures to boot: you fell for Al Gore’s con. A scientifically literate stranger will think ‘that’s hilarious’.

    F**k sake, for that kind of damage we should be getting at least half of their total profits.

    Comment: You are utterly ignorant of their tax structure as well as being utterly ignorant of reality – but bloviate anyway.

    Conclusiona stranger will reach: You are a gullible emotive bullsh*t artist.

    F**king egregious vandals and their enablers eh.

    Comment: The greenfilth? Yes. Their policies on boat people slaughtered 1200-4,200 of them and have caused massive and completely unnecessary environmental damage. But as they are the slimiest dregs of the environutter loons and the last true believing vermin of the Australian Communist party, this is to be expected.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: You have deep external loyalties based not on facts but on emotion, and ignore the real life consequences of those.

    Aww but you said both. Feeling ripped off twice now, once by rapacious theiving vandal miners and then by a wordsmith of a prick.

    Comment: Thanks for proving that your education was grossly inferior.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: QUick demonise, and without understanding anything.

    Queensland, epicentre of the religious redneck, terminally obese, and worst of all, LNP voter.

    Comment: Oh, so you are an elitist as well, who is utterly contemptuous of his fellow citizens. So much for egalitarianism.
    personal note: You must vote for the greenfilth.

    I’m a Greens voter

    Comment: Thanks for the confirmation that you do vote for the greenfilth. As such, you are tarred with their brush – so you will be seen as an extremist: a racist and a totalitarian as well as a badly educated pig-ignorant religious fruitcake and science-denier.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: As an extremist, you can have no loyalties outside yourself and your green religion.

    Which side in recent Australian politics has forced religious spruikers into schools?

    Comment: ALP and the filth, with their Cli-fi High Church of Giai

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: This reinforces the above.

    Expanding ASIO powers of surveillance with little oversight?

    Comment: That was bipartisan with the ALP supporting the Howard government. And it saved hundreds of lives in Sydney and Melbourne – look up ‘Operation Pendennis’.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: There are other, even more lethal forms of extremism you support.

    Signing multi-national trade agreements behind closed doors which threaten to rip Aussie consumers off and fuck up our environemtn for crony capitalists?

    Comment: As you are a greenfilther, we already know you are a racist, this is proof that you hate Asians.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: You are a racist, despising Asians with a special vehemence.

    Then in my state there’s guilt-by-association VLAD laws, hobbling of corruption watchdogs and retroactive law changes to let LNP donors get away with criminal behaviour.

    Comment: But when the ALP did it, you were cool with that. Thanks for adding hypocrisy to your disgusting list of vile personal habits.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: You are a hypocrite.

    I’m actually on welfare.

    Comment: So the people here pay for your lifestyle. Go get a job, moocher.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: You really, really blew it there by showing you regard welfare as your due, and not as an undesirable temporary measure you do not like.

    I know a thing or two about policy and economics in general, though. A decent university education will do that.

    Comment: There’s more real world industrial experience, military experience and higher degrees on this site than anywhere else in the Australian blogosphere. A smart person would realise that, and adjust himself so as to be able to work such contacts for hints and clues about getting himself a job.

    Conclusion a stranger will reach: That uni education is, in your case, to be discounted.

    It’s obvious that you are just not that smart….

    This is the thing, there are no jobs at the moment, certainly not for graduates. This is the thing the right always conveniently forget. ‘Get a job!’ What job? Where? I’ve had un/semi-skilled work recently and will again soon I’m sure, but entry-level professional jobs are hard to find these days.

    Any tips?

    Comment: Dear God. Having just pissed everyone off and shown them reasons NOT to employ you, you ask this.

    Son, my mob just put on 3 grads. The reason it was not more is that ALP-greenfilth policies have crushed the market even for us. That’s why progeny #2 went on to do his PhD (little devil will get his before I get mine) and is now a reasonably hot commodity in his market (yup, resources area – he’s raping that spherical bitch Gaia of delicious hydrocarbons). But he had to upgrade from pass degree to PhD to do it. Mostly, your degree – like any – is junk, but it will help get an interview (Masters is the new Bachelors, a Bachelors is now a Diploma equivalent). What an employer is looking for is a work-oriented attitude coupled with the ability to be trained out of bad habits and knowledge, and into useful habits and knowledge. You are not displaying that, and so you will not succeed at interview. Sat on a lot of interview panels, too. You need to work out that businesses exist to add value to something, generating a profit as they do so – and that this is a very good thing.

    As it is, you project yourself as a shallow, narcissistic, entitled, poorly educated, astoundingly intolerant bigot and work-shy racist. No-one will choose to purchase your skill set with that attitude, you are far too dangerous to any business or government department.

    For the above, I imagined you across the other side of the post-interview table, where we really get to know applicants.

    You have a set of attirudes and beliefs that make you close to unemployable – this is the evil gift your attitudes and greenfilth beliefs have given you.

    Lose them, and fast, for you have put yourself on the scrap-heap.

  204. Infidel Tiger

    You don’t have to like everything the LDP proposes to love what it’s doing.

    It’s waving liberty in Australians faces for the first time since 1901.

    In a perfect world our electoral choices would be the LDP vs Bob Day’s Family First.

    p.s Has Bob Day given his maiden speech?

  205. 2dogs

    Hopefully, Leyonhjelm’s PPL backdown scheme is a HECS type arrangement, that also then replaces the parental leave scheme that federal public servants get.

    Doing it that way could well be a net saving to the public purse.

  206. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    ps Stephan. You and Joe Goodacre are smart, but stupid with it. Post less here but follow the links more. Rafe has some good material on his website that might let you see economics from a new perspective and the main threads can offer you another sort of education to the one you are familiar with.

    I say this as a ‘once was leftie’ myself (as indeed were many of the commenters here).

  207. Infidel Tiger

    Kathmandu founder Jan Cameron has virtually ruled out a second attempt to regain control of her discount retail empire, saying “I failed and have paid the price for that failure”.

    Lefty businesses are going broke everywhere.

    Wotif will be gone soon. Taken over by Expedia for a pittance of what it was once worth.

  208. Aristogeiton

    David Leyonhelm: “As the saying goes: ‘If you’re not a socialist at 20, you have no heart, but if you’re still a socialist at 40, you have no brain”.

  209. Gab

    You don’t have to like everything the LDP proposes

    Yes there’s a couple of policies I don’t agree with, however there a a number of policies the Libs have that I don’t agree with either. No party is a perfect fit for everyone.

  210. Gab

    It’s just a matter of what one is willing to compromise over.

  211. Aristogeiton

    Where’s Numbers’ support for the LDP? He’s anti-conscription.

  212. Infidel Tiger

    The Libs should scrap PPL and remove the current PPL entitlements for the PS & ALPBC. Let the moochers have the same entitlements as the average punter.

    20% flat tax. No deductions. No entitlements whatsoever. Look after yourself and your own family dickhead.

    Vote 1 me.

  213. Infidel Tiger

    Where’s Numbers’ support for the LDP? He’s anti-conscription.

    He’s also pro-communism, so he may have a few quibbles with LDP policy.

  214. Armadillo

    High Court challenges are serious stuff.

    Despite winning a Supreme Court injunction against the alleged ban last year, Mr Kane said Boral trucks were still being turned away from work sites and customers had stopped approaching Boral for quotes.
    “We have complained to every federal and state government agency that would listen to us, [but] as we sit here today in the Melbourne CBD it is in full force and effect.”
    Mr Kane said there seemed to be no legal recourse against the CFMEU’s “cartel behaviour”.
    Commissioner Dyson Heydon said Mr Kane’s evidence that the court injunctions had been powerless to lift the boycott was “very disturbing”. Mr Kane also wrote a letter to the commission arguing that Mr Setka and the CFMEU should be criminally investigated for blackmail, which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years’ jail.

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boral-black-banned-by-union-because-of-grocon-link-20140709-zt166.html#ixzz36xML2Na6

  215. oldsalt

    Farmer Gez, these things come and go and come again in cycles – I’ve seen three and a half of them. A properly constituted Coastguard and Rescue should be fishing any bodies out, not Navy.

  216. Percy

    Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC
    #1375004, posted on July 9, 2014 at 5:58 pm

    Fecking brilliant.

    raping that spherical bitch Gaia of delicious hydrocarbons

    I’ll be using this. Thank you

  217. Oh come on

    MK50 – it would be a wonderful thing if he read your comment, but I fear he won’t.

    (He sold this month’s ADHD script on the black market, and consequently it’s difficult for him to get through even a three line comment.)

  218. Toiling Mass

    You don’t have to like everything the LDP proposes

    The attitude that you must always blithely support everything your chosen party says, no matter what, accounts for most of the character of debate on Bolta’s site.

    Thank Gaia for The Cat!

  219. Oh come on

    20% flat tax. No deductions. No entitlements whatsoever. Look after yourself and your own family dickhead.

    In that case, 20% is a bit steep!

  220. Aristogeiton

    For that stupid fuck, Joe Goodacre:

    “John Locke’s view of the world and the role of the State was starkly different from that of another important philosopher, Thomas Hobbes. Hobbes thought the natural state of man was perpetual war, with life nasty, brutish and short. In his view the only way to achieve civilization was to relinquish all liberties to the sovereign, who then allowed us certain rights as he chose. Hobbes is also known for arguing that the sovereign should rule with due regard for the desires of the people. There was no doubting, though, where he thought ultimate power resided, or rights originated.

    Locke was much more optimistic: “Man is peaceful and industrious”, he argued. But to establish a society in which private property can be protected, it is necessary to relinquish certain liberties to the sovereign. However this is a limited and conditional arrangement; only sufficient powers as required for the preservation of life, liberty and property ought to be relinquished: and ultimate power remains with the people. And if the sovereign gets too controlling, those powers can be reclaimed.”
    (David Leyonhelm, speech, Senate, 09/07/2014)

  221. Infidel Tiger

    The attitude that you must always blithely support everything your chosen party says, no matter what, accounts for most of the character of debate on Bolta’s site.

    There are certain non-negotiable though. I’ll be an old man on my second liver before I can vote for a party that introduced a Wealth Tax.

  222. Baldrick

    Lest we forget …

    Lance Corporal Todd Chidgey was returned home to his family and comrades today, Wednesday, 9 July 2014, at a solemn ceremony at Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) Base Richmond in Sydney.
    “After eight years of service and six deployments, Lance Corporal Chidgey has completed his last journey home from operations.”

  223. Aristogeiton

    More on ‘consent’ follows. Bloviacre would do well to listen to a man who knows what he’s talking about, instead of relying on some half-remembered, cribbed, Hobbsean philosophy.

  224. Infidel Tiger

    In that case, 20% is a bit steep!

    10% it is!

  225. Kaboom

    MK50, that was a beautiful slap to the upside. If I still had my Corinthian Blue Executive, I’d be doing victory burnouts in your honour…

  226. egg_

    Senator Muir and the Greens…..

    The ‘Twin Peaks’ of Stupid?

  227. Aristogeiton

    Thanks again Yobbo! Excellent speech!

  228. JC

    David Leyonhelm: “As the saying goes: ‘If you’re not a socialist at 20, you have no heart, but if you’re still a socialist at 40, you have no brain”.

    That’s bullshit because no kid at 20 who believes in the stuff the socialist alliance or the greenscum preach could ever make a full recovery by the time s/he is 40. It can’t happen. The science is very strong on this.

  229. Motelier

    A question for the learned cats in here.

    Why, oh Why do we get the now it all trolls that continue to display their ignorance.

    It seems we get rid of the trash and then new trash finds a way in.

    I would really like one of those of the left persuasion to explain to me why we need so much red tape.

    Because I am just a simple small business owner and hard pressed for time, I will make it easier. Post the comment and the information here, do not post lots of links.

    I do not have the time to follow endless links that lead to nothing more than “government spending creates demand, higher taxes are good, and, I have a degree and you owe me your taxes even though I am unemployed”.

  230. Which ute will Ricky Muir have as his comcar, SS or XR8?

  231. Grigory M

    20% flat tax. No deductions. No entitlements whatsoever.

    Excellent stuff, IT.

  232. Motelier

    Which ute will Ricky Muir have as his comcar, SS or XR8?

    Sorry to ask this, but.

    Is a SS or XR8 in the Comcar list now?

  233. JC

    20% flat tax. No deductions. No entitlements whatsoever.

    Excellent stuff, IT.

    No it isn’t. No one should be paying more than 10%.

  234. egg_

    Which ute will Ricky Muir have as his comcar, SS or XR8?

    Which one will accommodate SHY a pig in the back?

  235. ChrisPer

    Which ute will Ricky Muir have as his comcar, SS or XR8?

    Carpe, a 1981 Subaru ute in primer grey would be a good start.

  236. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I have a degree

    Did get told once by a terribly patronizing graduate that “For some one who hasn’t been to University, you do seem quite intelligent.”

    Ever snorted, and had single malt at the back of your nose?

  237. Infidel Tiger

    No it isn’t. No one should be paying more than 10%.

    I amended the policy JC after my listening tour of the electorate. It’s now 10%.

    Too much I know, but baby steps.

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