Wednesday Forum: July 16, 2014

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  1. Peter from SA

    Breaking news courtesy ABC the Mining Tax has been repealed … WTF?

  2. Gab

    Breaking news courtesy ABC the Mining Tax has been repealed … WTF?

    What?!! What the heck are you doing watching the ABC?

  3. H B Bear

    It’s hard to believe, but she’s even more unpleasant than her husband – Springer-Jones

    Snowcone merely has that sanctimonious smugness that is all but ubiquitous across the ALPBC network. If you ignore his politics you could probably have a beer with him.

    Watching Mrs Snowcone make me want to give Dr Nitschke a call.

  4. Tintarella di Luna

    Cheers Grigory

  5. Grigory M

    Watching Mrs Snowcone make me want to give Dr Nitschke a call.

    You’d better be quick – apparently, the AMA is looking at having him struck off.

  6. Peter from SA

    What?!! What the heck are you doing watching the ABC?

    Yes, I apologise. Long story the kids have the main TV … but … can’t be defended I know. I might go outside and will be gone for a while …

  7. Gab

    I might go outside and will be gone for a while …

    Yes, that lemon tree doesn’t water itself, you know.

  8. Peter from SA

    thanks Gab … but WTF they are saying it has been repealed? is the ABC just playing games now?

  9. Gab

    Yes, it has been repealed

  10. Peter from SA

    am I the only person to have ABC 24 flashing the mining tax has been repealed?

  11. Peter from SA

    oh WTF … seems exciting. Maybe not. All for the best, to be sure …

  12. Peter from SA

    I knew Jacquie didn’t want to spend her weekend on the benches!

  13. .

    Fantastic news. New taxes, RET, RDA, DA, G20 laws and ALP promises next please.

  14. Tom

    Yes, it has been repealed

    The populace has been liberated from another government clusterfuck of a tax and the national broadcaster goes into mourning. Do they understand how sick and perverted they have become — and how utterly separated from they are from the people who compulsorily fork out their salaries — when they are barracking for government taxes?

  15. Percy

    Yes, it has been repealed

    JC’s hotline will get a workout tonight

  16. Peter from SA

    Oh … the joy …

  17. .

    Mining industry to bounce back. Thank fuck, the portfolio has copped a beating.

  18. Gab

    am I the only person to have ABC 24 flashing the mining tax has been repealed?

    LOL No, it’s just you’re the only one watching the ABC.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Mining tax repealed. Well, that is good news.

    And then there is fishing. Which reminds me of Ireland and having lunch in Killybegs, Donnegal.
    An old tradition of the sea, a town that lived on fishing, and still does.
    We had lunch there not so long ago, and I am hungry for Ireland again.

  20. Peter from SA

    LOL No, it’s just you’re the only one watching the ABC.

    yeah … won’t make that mistake again. sorry folks …

  21. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I might go outside, and will be gone while

    Saw Robert Scott’s diary in the naval museum in Greenwich.

    The last words “It seems a pity, but i do not think I can write any more.” and then, scrawled in large letters across the bottom of the page “For God’s sake, look after our people.” made an indelible impression.

  22. Fisky

    The populace has been liberated from another government clusterfuck of a tax and the national broadcaster goes into mourning. Do they understand how sick and perverted they have become — and how utterly separated from they are from the people who compulsorily fork out their salaries — when they are barracking for government taxes?

    My favourite example of this was when they ran the first part of a two-part docu on boat people and included clips of angry jilted Muslims demanding Australia give them visas or else there’ll be another 9/11. The ABC actually thought that would elicit sympathy from the viewing audience!

    The fact that they didn’t play the second part of the document proved in the first instance that they really do think the average Australian believes terrorist attacks are reasonable if we don’t give visas to country shoppers, and in the second instance that the whole purpose of the documentary was propaganda (why else would they pull it off the air when they finally realised what they’d done?).

  23. Fisky

    docu/document – documentary

  24. JC

    Unreal.

    The federal government is so overwhelmed by the current tide of migrants crossing the border it can’t provide basic medical screening to all of the children before transporting them – often by air – to longer-term holding facilities across the country, ABC News has learned.

    The director of refugee health in the federal Health and Human Services Department “has identified a breakdown of the medical screening processes at the Nogales, Arizona, facility,” according to an internal Department of Defense memo reviewed by ABC News. The “breakdown” a systemic failure of the handoff of these children between CBP and HHS.

    Inside the government, officials are sounding alarms, fearing that they and their teams who come in contact with the sick children face potential exposure to infectious diseases from chicken pox to influenza, including rare cases of H1N1, more commonly called swine flu.

    Two unaccompanied children were flown from Nogales to California despite having 101-degree fevers and flu-like symptoms, according to the Department of Defense memo. Those children had to be hospitalized.

  25. Gab

    Cory Bernadi delievered an excellent speech today at the National Press Club. Not much has been reported on it at all given the carbon dioxide tax repeal.

    He called for shorter senate terms and argued for an open database of government contracts to show how the government spends our money.

    Cannot find the transcript just now…

  26. Mr Rusty

    Breaking news courtesy ABC the Mining Tax has been repealed … WTF?

    …by the Senate. I think it has to go back to HoR for 3rd reading and won’t pass there because the handouts still remain.

  27. JC, the situation on the southern border is criminal.

  28. Gab

    We need a website! Christine Milne, Senate, Tuesday:

    I THINK at some point we will have a website of climate criminals …

    It’s already here! http://www.climatecriminals.co.uk:

    AIM: To … facilitate the criminal prosecution of Government Ministers and key business leaders whose policies and activities contribute to the mass loss of life which Climate Change is certain to now cause.

  29. JC

    DB

    I would never ever have believed a US president would be so inimical to the nation. It’s incredible. IHe really hates the place for what it is.

  30. wreckage

    Carbon tax gone, and , I should think, mining tax going next.

    Excellent. Just excellent.

  31. srr

    Cory Bernadi delievered an excellent speech today at the National Press Club. Not much has been reported on it at all given the carbon dioxide tax repeal.

    He called for shorter senate terms and argued for an open database of government contracts to show how the government spends our money.

    Cannot find the transcript just now…

    So good a speech that it had to be given now while the swampies of the world are busy bawling over the loss of their air tax money they sacrifice to Gaia via their jet setting lifestyles…then when they’ve cried themselves to exhaustion, they should all be hit with the transcript and video and reminded that this was normal, common sense thinking, before that short period of insanity when people taxed air.

  32. C.L.

    I watched a few minutes of Bernardi at lunch.

    He is a natural speech-maker.

    Good presence, good delivery.

  33. Gab

    And easy on the eyes too, CL.

  34. Infidel Tiger

    Bernardi made some excellent points in his speech.

    Would love him to introduce a private members bill ending pollie perks and proposing term limits.

    12 years in the Senate is more than enough for anyone.

  35. Gab

    No weasel words, Jules, no crab-walk back, just the tax that wasn’t to be, is no longer
    CARBON price not a wrecking ball? Tell that to the coal, iron, steel, and aluminium sectors.

    Tale of a tax in four headlines.

    1) “PM says no carbon tax under her govt”, The Sydney Morning Herald, August 16, 2010:

    PRIME Minister Julia Gillard has said there will not be a tax on carbon while she leads the federal government. Deputy PM Wayne Swan last week said if Labor won the Aug­ust 21 poll, there would not be a carbon tax during its next three years in power. Ms Gillard seemed to go a step further on Monday. “There will be no carbon tax under the government I lead,” she told Network Ten.

    2) “Julia Gillard unveils her plans for carbon tax”, Malcolm Farr, news.com.au, July 10, 2011:

    THE Government today finally released full details of its plan to penalise about 500 companies by making them pay $23 for every tonne of carbon they emit — a total of around $4.2 billion in the first full year … The carbon price will rise by 2.5 per cent on top of rate inflation rate to about $24.15 in 2013 and $25.40 the following year …

    3) “Abbott won’t repeal carbon tax: Gillard”, SMH, June 10, 2012:

    “SHOULD Tony Abbott be elected PM, watch for the weasel words, crabwalk back,” Ms Gillard told News Limited papers on Sunday.

    “(He’ll say it’s) all too difficult … it’s all too hard, I can’t do it now.”

    4) “Carbon tax is gone: Repeal bills pass the Senate”, Lisa Cox, SMH, yesterday.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/cutandpaste/no-weasel-words-jules-no-crabwalk-back-just-the-tax-that-wasnt-to-be-is-no-longer/story-fn72xczz-1226992718011

  36. JC, the mid-terms will be interesting. I cannot believe that Americans will be unmoved by what is going on and fall once again for tropes like the ‘war on women’. If the Dems are not severly beaten there is something very, very wrong.

  37. Infidel Tiger

    So good a speech that it had to be given now while the swampies of the world are busy bawling over the loss of their air tax money they sacrifice to Gaia via their jet setting lifestyles…then when they’ve cried themselves to exhaustion, they should all be hit with the transcript and video and reminded that this was normal, common sense thinking, before that short period of insanity when people taxed air.

    In fairness Bernardi’s speech was interrupted by a press conference by Australia’s worst speaker – Abbott and his wooden puppet – Hunt. Very few journos were there to witness it thanks to those two idiots.

  38. In fairness Bernardi’s speech was interrupted by a press conference by Australia’s worst speaker – Abbott and his wooden puppet – Hunt. Very few journos were there to witness it thanks to those two idiots.

    Credlin is a vindictive amateur.

  39. IT, thank you. I must buy you some fine Virginia tobacco.

  40. entropy

    I couldn’t be figged clinking on the link, but going by the headline the blonde economist/wrongologist reckons we will regret repeal day. Of course she does.

  41. Aristogeiton

    Thanks Gab. A blast from the recent past!

  42. oldsalt

    Yes Lizzie me too

    They’re out on the ocean the boats are in motion
    From Killybegs harbour right down to Kinsale

    doin da newfie stomp

  43. Aristogeiton

    IT, I thought Abbott would grow into the role. I was so fucking wrong.

  44. The points raised in that article by Bernardi are exactly right.

  45. JC

    JC, the mid-terms will be interesting. I cannot believe that Americans will be unmoved by what is going on and fall once again for tropes like the ‘war on women’. If the Dems are not severly beaten there is something very, very wrong.

    DB

    I think the country has changed. It’s not what it was when i first arrived there in the 80′s. Think about this. It’s not as though the D’rats were a lot more patriotic in earlier times that prevented them from just letting people through the borders on an unrestricted basis. They would not have tried it because they would have been pummeled at the polls. They’re trying it now because they think their constituency doesn’t care or is supportive. They may be mistaken, but something’s changed that makes them think they’re able to get away with it. I think it’s the demographics and enough whites on the D’rats side wanting free stuff that gives them comfort.

    As much as I don’t Hillary to win, I don’t think she despises the place like the Kenyan does. And yet, someone, who in the past would have been laughably unelectable could give Hillary a run for her money in the primaries. Elizabeth Warren… Pocahontas…. could actually be a serious contender. She’s the champion for the free stuff crowd and could win.

  46. JC

    IT, I thought Abbott would grow into the role. I was so fucking wrong.

    Grow into what, he’s fine. I hate a lot of his policies, but I like the fact that he’s not in my fucking face each night putting forward another fucking stupid policy like the Lying Slapper or Earwax Eater.

    Okay, so je’s not the greatest TV performer in the world, but in the end people don’t really care.

  47. Oh come on

    The armed, law-abiding segment of the population is reducing crime in broke Detroit, according to the police chief James Craig:

    Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use that weapon

    From the same article:

    Detroit has experienced 37 percent fewer robberies in 2014 than during the same period last year, 22 percent fewer break-ins of businesses and homes, and 30 percent fewer carjackings. Craig attributed the drop to better police work and criminals being reluctant to prey on citizens who may be carrying guns.

  48. C.L.

    And Shorten today committed to fighting the next election on introducing a new CARBON TAX.

    Credlin must have pictures.

    There must be photographs that are being used to manipulate him.

    There’s no other explanation.

  49. JC

    In case anyone forgets. We need Climate Justice.

  50. JC

    We need to be passionate about Climate Justice

  51. C.L.

    We also need to be passionate about Marriage Equality, JC.

  52. Nic

    Lol CL, that and their policy on open borders for country shoppers will work a treat with the electorate

  53. JC

    Nic

    Don’t underestimate the free stuff constituency, which is why they are ahead in the polls. You’ll get killed in the rush if you get in front of a Westerner and his/her government provided goodies.

  54. Gab

    “In an era when the number of Facebook friends and Twitter followers seems more important than fighting for principle, it’s hardly surprising many politicians are seen as increasingly self-obsessed.” – Cory Bernadi

  55. JC

    You can always count on these dickheads to want “certainty”. Fucking arseholes. Australian big business are a bunch of fucking two faced arseholes.

    BUSINESS has demanded the Senate pass Tony Abbott’s “direct action” climate plan as Bill Shorten defied the long-awaited repeal of the carbon tax with a vow to fight for carbon pricing through to the next election.

    Their our gerbil change warriors.

  56. JC

    Bernardi is good value. I don”t agree with a lot of stuff he says, but he’s worthwhile.

  57. JC

    Just look at what the shining light on the hill has become. What a fucking rat house.

    REPORT: Obama vows to reduce deportations…

    PELOSI: Slow down…

    Bill Richardson: ‘Nativist’ Tea Party Trying to Keep ‘America Pure’…

    Feds releasing children into unsafe homes…

    DHS: Parents Give Immigrant Kids Birth Control ‘In Case They’re Raped Along The Way’…

  58. twostix

    And Shorten today committed to fighting the next election on introducing a new CARBON TAX.

    Credlin must have pictures.

    There must be photographs that are being used to manipulate him.

    There’s no other explanation.

    Perhaps Labor don’t want to do government anymore? Sitting on the opposition bench, sort of controlling the senate and keeping things just the way they are would suit them ok for a decade or so I think. It’s not like they’re ever going to be in danger of workchoices style legislation again.

  59. Gab

    Australian big business are a bunch of fucking two faced arseholes.

    You should have heard Westacott tonight praising the repeal of the carbon tax. A couple of years ago she was all for it.

  60. Gab

    She was all for the carbon tax.

  61. twostix

    BUSINESS has demanded the Senate pass Tony Abbott’s “direct action” climate plan

    What utter wankers.

  62. Gab

    Sarah Two-Ballasts on the Australians who voted at the last election for the repeal of the carbon dioxide tax:

    sarah hanson-young @sarahinthesen8 · 14h

    Climate sceptic grubs

  63. Fisky

    “Business” should shut up. They never have anything to say that is worth listening to. They do however seem to get a kick out of running interference for Labor governments. So once again, it’s best they just shut up.

  64. westie woman

    Anyone here read anything about a Malaysian Airlines 777 crash in the Ukraine? Shot down?

    Can’t find anything….but reading Ace of Spades, some commenters are seeing the news somewhere

  65. twostix

    Who is “Business” anyway?

    I doubt even a single one of the hundreds of businesses around here “demanded the Senate pass Tony Abbott’s “direct action” climate plan”.

  66. Fisky

    “Business” love:
    -Green taxes
    -Open borders
    -Credentialism and over-regulation
    -”Certainty”

    Which is basically code for permanent Labor-Greens government. “Business” love that shit, because it makes them feel compassionate and worthy. And they can transfer the costs onto normal people.

    I say, fuck the “business community”. We should raise company tax to 90% to teach these fuckers a lesson, while letting small business and owner-operators opt out of the entire regulatory octopus. Also, executive salaries should be taxed at 110% unless they can prove they never voted for or funded the Liars-Greenfilth alliance in any way.

  67. Aristogeiton

    JC, of course you’re right. Perhaps I need a bit of perspective. It could be so much worse (a la R-G-R).

  68. Marriage Equality

    Orwellian phrase. Utterly meaningless.

  69. Fisky

    I remember what “Business” was doing at the height of the Leftist Establishment’s anti-democracy heist in 2009-2013. They would go on Q&A and talk up open borders and green taxes and suggest that the Rudd-Gillard asylum policy was somehow part of what they called the “Big Australia” project – that’s right, millions of country shoppers with no skills were the future of Australia according to them – and yet supporting anti-development carbon austerity at the same time.

    Let me tell you something. After the Fisk revolution, those “business community” fuckers will be the first up against the wall.

  70. twostix

    Exactly Fisk.

    The democrats are obviously getting stick over the invasion of the southern US that they’ve organised but the country-club corporate wing of the Republicans are just as culpable. They love the idea of an endless stream of third world peasants turning up to work on their farms, they wanted Bush to do the same thing as Obama is doing, I mean the Republicans were spearheading amnesty.

    In fact I bet after the humiliating collapse in the amnesty bill we’ll find out snarky republicans had a tanty and are complicit in this latest development.

  71. “Business” are like any sectional interest group; they will just try and game the system to their advantage.

  72. Fisky

    Yes they are. But they are more than that. They like to kiss Labor’s backside and be “compassionate” at the expense of normal people. The Liberals need to play hardball with “business” and basically make it clear that they will get nothing from the government unless they give their full-throated support and prove their implacable hostility to Labor.

  73. twostix

    This country gets gayer and gayer by the day:

    THE air safety regulator is looking at whether it should prevent aircraft passengers from holding children on their laps, potentially increasing the cost of travelling with a baby.

    The Civil Aviation Safety Authority has issued a discussion paper in which it canvasses the option of requiring children aged up to two to have their own seat.

  74. Fisky, spokesmen for business, like RINOs, inhabit the eighth circle of hell.

  75. Percy

    Westie woman, there are reports coming out now about the Malaysian flight in the Ukraine.

  76. This is how the French government treats people who are witnesses to the truth.

  77. Westie woman, there are reports coming out now about the Malaysian flight in the Ukraine.

    Heartbreaking.

  78. Mark from Melbourne

    @aristo

    I wan’t all details, no matter how filthy.

    Word crimes

  79. LesterPK

    MH17 appear to have been shot down using a Russian SAM system. Pics appearing on twitter of wreckage including bodies.
    RIP.

  80. Stephan

    This country gets gayer and gayer by the day

    Yep. I was walking in town a few months back and noticed primary school kids on an excursion, all dressed in hi-vis fluoro vests for ‘safety’. Looked retarded. Next thing you know kids will be in impact-absorbent full body suits.

    I hope they get rid of bicycle helmet laws for a start.

  81. westie woman

    Thanks – just after I posted I saw Reuters etc and then CNN started talking about it

    Those poor people, and another blow to Malaysian Airlines – unbelievable

  82. Baldrick

    Mining Tax may stay …

    The repeal of the Mining Tax passed in the Senate but will return to the House of Reps. because $10 billion (over forward estimates) worth of low-income support measures, including the SchoolKids Bonus, remain.

    Senator Cormann says if Senators insist on the amendments, the mining tax will stay in place.
    “We can’t scrap the mining tax without also scrapping the unfunded promises the previous government attached to it,” Senator Cormann said.
    If the mining tax is not scrapped today, affected companies will have to pay another instalment next week.

  83. Percy

    I hope they get rid of bicycle helmet laws for a start.

    Careful Stephan, you’re starting to sound like a libertarian

  84. Baldrick

    The Islamic State claimed that an Australian fighter killed several Iraqis in a suicide attack at a Shia shrine in Baghdad today (July 17, 2014).

    The Baghdad Division of the Islamic State claimed credit for today’s attack in the Al Shorja neighborhood in Baghdad in a statement that was released on the group’s Twitter feed. Five people were killed and 37 more were wounded in the suicide attack, according to the National Iraqi News Agency.
    The Islamic State said today’s attack in Baghdad was executed by “the brother,
    the knight, the emigrant, Abu Bakr al Australi,” according to a translation of the statement by the SITE Intelligence Group. Abu Bakr’s real name has not been disclosed.

  85. Tom

    A Malaysian passenger plane carrying at least 295 people has crashed in Ukraine near the Russian border.

    Malaysia Airlines has confirmed on its Twitter account that it lost contact with flight MH17 from Amsterdam over Ukrainian airspace.

    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko says the jet may have been shot down.

    Malaysia Airlines is due to hold a press conference at 4am Kuala Lumpur time.

    Interfax says the plane was a Boeing 777 flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur

    On Twitter, Mr Poroshenko described the incident as an attack by terrorists.

    “We do not exclude that the plane was shot down and confirm that the Ukraine Armed Forces did not fire at any targets in the sky,” Mr Poroshenko said in a statement posted on the president’s website.

    The Ukrainian government and separatist rebels, who are fighting in the region where the plane crashed, have denied shooting down the plane.

    Ukrainian officials say the death toll is more than 300.

    Malaysian President Najib Razak says he’s “shocked”.

    “I am shocked by reports that an MH plane crashed,” he said on his Twitter account. “We are launching an immediate investigation.”

    An official in the prime minister’s office says Mr Najib is on his way to the operations centre at Kuala Lumpur International Airport.

    The White House says US president Barack Obama has ordered senior US officials to remain in close touch with Ukrainian officials about the downed plane.

    Mr Obama has spoken to the Russian president about the crash.

    “The Russian leader informed the US president about an air-traffic controllers’ report that came just before their phone conversation that a Malaysian plane crashed in Ukraine,” the Kremlin said in a statement.

    Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte says he’s shocked by the crash.

    Other airlines are now avoiding east Ukrainian air space, including Germany’s biggest airline Lufthansa.

    “Lufthansa has decided to avoid the east Ukrainian air space by a wide margin with immediate effect,” a company spokesperson said.

  86. Stephan

    Careful Stephan, you’re starting to sound like a libertarian

    I’m dead against most nanny state laws, I just think poor people need money more than the rich.

  87. Percy

    This is not a parody

    They’ve started using sympathetic westerners as human shields recently in the hope that Israel would value their lives more. The place is a mess.

  88. Tom

    Telegraph.co.uk has rolling coverage:


    • Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 has crashed in Ukraine
    • More than 300 dead, inc 23 American citizens
    • The Telegraph understands 9 Britons onboard
    • Plane was flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur
    • No survivors reported
    • Reports that the plane could have been shot down
    • President Poroshenko: ‘Act of terrorism’
    • Confusion over whether plane was in exclusion zone
    • Gold spikes on Malaysia Airlines crash
    • Malaysia Airlines Crash: Similarity with earlier Soviet-era disaster

  89. Are evangelicals America’s only real moral conservatives?

    The above is a response to the Atlantic’s perplexing headline: Is Evangelical Morality Still Acceptable in America?

  90. Erickson: Ted Cruz is Leading

    In what appears to be the ultimate modern demonstration of “drinking the Koolaid,” Republicans across the spectrum seem to have entered a pact in sticking together to defend, and even celebrate, campaign tactics predicated on gross voter fraud and manipulation of minority voters. In fact, we now know Senate Republicans funded those attacks.

    One senator, however, has broken the silence and is speaking out. Yes, one. Only one. Senator Ted Cruz, who, ironically, holds an official position with the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC), the group at the center of these nasty allegations. Cruz has described the Mississippi fiasco as “appalling” and called for a “vigorous investigation” of possible criminal conduct in an interview with Mark Levin.

    “All of us want to grow the party. But what the DC machine did was not try to grow the party, but instead the ads they ran were racially charged false attacks and they were explicit promises to continue and expand the welfare state,” Cruz went on. “And nobody is suggesting that the Democrats who voted in the primary will actually vote Republican in the general election. Instead they were just recruited to decide who the Republican nominee was. And that’s unprincipled and it’s wrong.”

  91. I’m dead against most nanny state laws, I just think poor people need money more than the rich.

    Problem is, you could take all the money from the rich, give it to the poor, and within a short period most of the rich would be rich again and most of the poor would be poor again. Although, not so rich as they were, and much poorer than they were, because real wealth would have been lost in the upheaval.

    It comes down to this: people who have the capacity to save, do so.

  92. Tom

    BREAKING: Fox News reporting IDF ground invasion of Gaza City has begun. Confirmed in a statement by Netanyahu.

  93. Blogstrop

    Women and children to the front!

  94. Dana Loesch ‏@DLoesch 41s
    Israel, airliner, border, O at a fundraiser. Heavens.

    Says it all. The man and his administration are a disgrace.

  95. Grigory M

    Update on breaking news: Malaysia Airlines jet ‘shot down’ over Ukraine

    A Malaysia Airlines passenger jet has crashed in Ukraine near the country’s border with Russia, killing all 295 people on board.

    Flight MH17 was en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it disappeared from radar screens.

    Ukraine’s government says it is possible the airliner was shot down by a ground-to-air missile.

    The Ukrainian government and pro-Russian rebels have denied shooting down the plane.

    Another Boeing 777.

  96. A Lurker

    Update on breaking news: Malaysia Airlines jet ‘shot down’ over Ukraine

    You’d think that with modern technology, ground forces could determine the difference between a military and a civilian aircraft. Perhaps airlines ought to start creating civilian no-fly zones over countries and areas that are experiencing some kind of armed conflict or tension.

    That being said – that crash is another reason to not fly Malaysia Airlines.

  97. Tom

    IDF starts Gaza ground invasion

    By YAAKOV LAPPIN

    Netanyahu’s office says purpose of mission is to destroy terror tunnels and seriously harm the infrastructure of Hamas and other terrorist organizations in Gaza.

    IDF ground forces began to move into the Gaza Strip on Thursday evening, the prime minister’s office confirmed.

    The purpose of the operation was to destroy the Gazan terror tunnels leading to Israel, according to a statement released by the prime minister’s office.

    “Israel is committed to act to protect its citizens. The operation will continue until its goals are reached: To bring quiet to the citizens of Israel for a long period of time, and to seriously harm Hamas and other terrorist organizations’ infrastructure in the Gaza Strip,” the statement read.

    Prior to the commencement of the ground invasion, the IDF launched a massive wave of combined air and artillery strikes on Thursday night.

    The ground invasion comes hours after a Hamas assault squad of thirteen highly armed terrorists attempted to carry out a massacre of civilians at Kibbutz Sufa, near the border, before being blocked by the IDF.

    Infantry, Armored Corps, Engineering Corps, artillery, and intelligence units are taking over various areas in Gaza, and are all working with one another and the air force. They are operating in central, and southern Gaza, where Hamas has dug an extensive terrorist tunnel network.

    The IDF’s Southern Command is overseeing the ground offensive.

    The units involved have undergone intensive training recently ahead of their missions, Brig.-Gen. Moti Almoz, IDF spokesman, said on Thursday night.

    “The operation has reached its ground phase,” Almoz said. “Large numbers of forces began a focused effort to destroy tunnels in Gaza.

    We are in a new stage,” he stated. At the same time, the air force is contintuing with air strikes against Hamas and Islamic Jihad around Gaza.

    The Ground Forces are currently engaging terrorist infrastructure, and the operation “will be expanded as needed,” Almoz said. “They’re moving now in various areas of Gaza. We will continue to attack in every location we think needs to be struck,” he warned.

    The IDF is currently calling up more reserves, Almoz added.

    Palestinian sources said strikes occurred up and down the Strip, adding that one strike targeted a motorcycle apparently carrying members of a rocket launching cell on their way to an attack on Israel.

    At around 10:00 p.m. rocket sirens sounded in the Tel Aviv area, and in the Shfela. Iron Dome made a number of interceptions in the Tel Aviv area.

    Hamas bombarded Israel on Thursday with rockets after the end of the humanitarian truce, firing over 100 projectiles after 3 p.m. Eighty one rockets landed in open areas, two fell inside villages, damaging two homes, and 20 were intercepted by the Iron Dome air defense system.

    Also on Thursday, a drone from Gaza was detected in Israeli airspace, over the Ashkelon area. The IAF fired a patriot surface-to-air missile at the aircraft, shooting it down. It was the second Hamas drone to be shot down in recent days.

    The IDF on Thursday warned citizens of Gaza to evacuate their homes and make their way from less populated areas to the Strip’s major cities.

    Close to 100,000 leaflets containing the message were dropped over the territory and hundreds of thousands of citizens from all over Gaza received recorded phone messages warning them to vacate villages.

    Air raid sirens sounded throughout southern and central areas during the day. Ashkelon and Ashdod were targeted by Hamas repeatedly in the evening, and were successfully defended by Iron Dome.

    Iron Dome intercepted two rockets over central Israel and the Sharon district in the evening, and one over the city of Ashdod. Several rockets landed in open areas.

    The Gaza-border region of Eshkol came under continuous rocket barrages. Some ten rockets in open areas, and one damaged a home.

    Between 3 p.m. and 5:30 p.m., Hamas fired 40 rockets at Israel, and Iron Dome shot three down Two rockets were fired at Beersheba, with one falling in an open area and a second intercepted over the Negev city.

    Within a minute of the ceasefire ending, rockets were fired from Gaza at the Ashkelon industrial area and Hof Ashkelon region. Most fell in open areas.

    The humanitarian ceasefire was violated when Hamas fired 3 projectiles at the Eshkol region. The rockets exploded in open areas.

    On Thursday morning, one rocket was intercepted over the greater Tel Aviv and Sharon district, and one rocket fell in an open area. In Beersheba, Iron Dome intercepted an incoming Gazan rocket.

  98. Tom

    Fox News quoting WSJ: US intelligence sources confirm a missile brought down MH17.

  99. Tintarella di Luna

    News of the Carbon (Dioxide) Tax repeal has been dampened by sombre news from the ME and a Malaysia Airlines ‘plane blown out of the sky with the loss of almost 300 poor souls.

    But I found this which provided a little levity on this dour day. Apologies if it’s already been posted but sometimes it’s OK to re-visit somethings

  100. Blogstrop

    I’m a bit late finding this “another in the series” episode of disgracefully misleading and agendum driven drivel from the totally unworthy ABC, but here it is.

    Chris Kenny relates how the ABC has given mouth to mouth resuscitation to the discredited “secret womens business” tactic used to stop (temporarily) the construction of the Hindmarsh Island bridge back in the Keating era.

    Sack them all.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/aunty-falls-for-an-old-furphy-again/story-fn8qlm5e-1226986125715

  101. Blogstrop

    Thanks Tinta – diary of a deranged and deluded woman, boosted through long life by the arts/labor collective.

  102. Tom

    From WSJ.com:

    U.S. Intelligence Agencies Confirm Surface-to-Air Missile Fired at Malaysian Jet

    *U.S. Intelligence Agencies Confirm Surface-to-Air Missile Fired at Malaysian Airliner: Officials

    *Intelligence Detected Surface Missile Launch, Tracked Explosion of Plane, Official Says

    *Intelligence Community Divided Over Whether Missile From Russia or E. Ukraine, Official Says

  103. lotocoti

    You’d think that with modern technology, ground forces could determine the difference …

    It’s called IFF and it’s been around for a long time. But Indication Friend or Foe means nothing if a ground site doesn’t or can’t query it.

  104. Tom

    I’ve just seen a tweet that suggests 27 Aussies were on MH17.

  105. Bruce of Newcastle

    So far there hasn’t been much said about the Antonov military transport plane which was shot down only three days ago from a height of 6,500 m. That is well above shoulder launched SAM range.

    The rebels claimed responsibility for the Antonov:

    Separatist rebels in conflict-wracked eastern Ukraine claimed responsibility for downing the Antonov-26, but Ukrainian officials blamed Moscow, saying the missile was “probably fired” from Russia.

    The extensive News.com report says about the Malaysian flight:

    Ukraine’s Interior Minister Anton Gerashchenko was quoted as saying the plane had been shot down by a ground-to-air missile, and that 280 passengers and 15 crew had been killed. He told the Wall Street Journal pro-Russia rebels had set up a ground-to-missile battery near the Russian border by the town of Snizhne.

    “They clearly thought that it was a military transport plane that they were shooting at,” he said. “They were the ones who did this.”

    The report does suggest it wasn’t the Russians, but was the rebels who capured BUK launcher capable of both high level missile shots.

    The ABC Washington correspondent reported just now that the news of the airliners destruction was given to Obama and Putin as they were talking on the phone with each other in a scheduled call. Amazing.

    I’m sad for the poor Malaysians that they’ve been caught up in two such events, both because of malevolent action. And I am sorry for the poor families of the passengers.

  106. Tom

    Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 had been operating 1,000ft above the upper limit of closed airspace at the time of its disappearance over eastern Ukraine.

    Pan-European air navigation service Eurocontrol states that the aircraft was flying at 33,000ft when radar contact was lost.

    It states that the route had been closed by Ukrainian authorities up to 32,000ft.

    But the route was “open at the level at which [MH17] was flying”, says Eurocontrol.

    In the wake of the loss of the Boeing 777-200ER, apparently with no survivors, the Ukrainian authorities have extended the restrictions within the Dnipropetrovsk flight information region, the airspace in which the jet was travelling.

    Eurocontrol says the upper airspace closure limit has been withdrawn and that this closes all routes in the Dnipropetrovsk airspace.

  107. I’ve just seen a tweet that suggests 27 Aussies were on MH17

    It has now been confirmed.

  108. Tom

    Fox: Putin’s bureaucracy in Moscow will conduct the MY17 air crash investigation. FMD.

  109. Mater

    Bruce,
    Heard some rumours about it possibly being an SA-8 Gecko…ceiling height of 40,000 ft and quite portable.
    I’d be surprised if no Australian were on board. A couple of my friends use that exact service regularly as it is dual coded Malaysia Airlines/KLM.

  110. Rudiau

    430 French Jews leave the ‘safety’ of France for the war-torn safety of Israel.

    Given the situation in France, it is no wonder they are prepared to take a chance with the rockets.

  111. blogstrop

    ABC News Radio report on Mining Tax moves in Senate: voice grab used was … once again, Jaquie Lambie! These people are insane, not a national broadcaster, and should be dealt with.

  112. Mike of Marion

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    #1385841, posted on July 17, 2014 at 11:32 pm

    Ahhh!!!, Tara Hotel at Killibegs, overlooking the Atlantic Fishing Fleet and having Lamb Shank for Lunch in late May 2011. Magnificent.

  113. Clam Chowdah

    Unfucking real.

  114. Rudiau

    Fox: Putin’s bureaucracy in Moscow will conduct the MY17 air crash investigation. FMD.

    Yep.
    MH17 Black Box ‘Sent To Moscow For Investigation’

  115. entropy

    what would the black box have to contribute?

  116. Sinclair Davidson

    I have opened a MH17 thread.

  117. YT

    what would the black box have to contribute?

    Nothing after the Russians have finished with it.

  118. duncanm

    More idiocy at the SMH regarding the constitution:

    Section 25 of the constitution recognises that a state can disqualify whole races from voting.

    Disingenuous: Sec 25 recognises that the States have powers and the Federal Government wanted to punish them for discriminating against Aboriginals (by excluding them from the vote).

    In addition, the races power in section 51(26) authorises the Federal Parliament to make laws that discriminate for or against people due to their race.

    Yes… primarily _for_.

    So what should be the replacement?

    Second, clauses that permit discrimination on the basis of race must be deleted.

    Third, the races power must be replaced with a new power to make laws for Aboriginal people.

    This new power needs to be limited by words that prevent it from being used to discriminate against Aboriginal people.

    Now I’m no lawyer (apparently, the author is). But its pretty clear to me that you can’t discriminate for one race without discriminating against all others.

    Maybe discriminating on the basis of ‘everyone except group A’ is ok ?

  119. Tom

    The first Australian suicide bomber in Iraq reportedly killed three people in the heart of Baghdad on Thursday, raising the involvement of local jihadists in the spiralling violence to a chilling new level.

    The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) announced on an affiliated Twitter feed overnight that a man called Abu Bakr al-Australi had detonated an explosives vest near a Shiite mosque in a market near the middle of the Iraqi capital. More than 90 people were also injured in the blast.

    ISIL did not give the man’s real name, but most Australian jihadists use “al-Australi” in their nom de guerre, and such official reports by ISIL are usually accurate

  120. Tom

    Away from the horror elsewhere, my favourite story of the day is from the ShakeMyHead.com swampie in Canberra (the lisping zombie feral Jacqueline Maley, who is frequently on Their ABC’s Sunday Greenfilth Hour):

    It will go down in Canberran folklore as a myth, but it most certainly happened.

    The very moment the carbon tax was repealed, after three parliamentary attempts, several years of political warfare and the killing of a leader or two, a rainbow appeared over Lake Burley Griffin.

    God tends not to take political sides, but when it comes to the carbon tax, She does seem to be trying to tell us something via celestial signs.

  121. Mike of Marion

    Tom
    #1386078, posted on July 18, 2014 at 8:28 am

    Maley – She’s a doozy that’s for sure.

  122. Baldrick

    Tom
    #1386070, posted on July 18, 2014 at 8:16 am
    The first Australian suicide bomber in Iraq reportedly killed three people in the heart of Baghdad on Thursday, raising the involvement of local jihadists in the spiralling violence to a chilling new level.

    Tom, if you’d have scrolled up one post, from your first post at 4.42am this morning, you’d have found the same story.

  123. Baldrick

    No probs Tom, it’s been a rather big news morning.

  124. struth

    Aristo, I hope you are ticking your wifes box as well.

    The left,….screaming about a slogan on a van, while somehow being able to justify a “Fuck Abbott ” T shirt.

  125. egg_

    Snowcone merely has that sanctimonious smugness that is all but ubiquitous across the ALPBC network. If you ignore his politics you could probably have a beer with him.

    Can’t stand the aggressive guttural growl in his voice when doing a ‘hard’ interview – only on the ABC, the commercials wouldn’t cop it.

  126. C.L.

    This deserves to be bumped from the smoking thread …

    ———————————————————————–

    This pretty well destroys the Myth of second hand smoke:

    Lungs from pack-a-day smokers safe for transplant, study finds.

    Using lung transplants from heavy smokers may sound like a cruel joke, but a new study finds that organs taken from people who puffed a pack a day for more than 20 years are likely safe.

    What’s more, the analysis of lung transplant data from the U.S. between 2005 and 2011 confirms what transplant experts say they already know: For some patients on a crowded organ waiting list, lungs from smokers are better than none.

    “I think people are grateful just to have a shot at getting lungs,” said Dr. Sharven Taghavi, a cardiovascular surgical resident at Temple University Hospital in Philadelphia, who led the new study …

  127. Baldrick

    Let’s not hear any more rhetoric from the United Nations:

    The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), for Palestinians in the near East, uncovered 20 rockets hidden in a vacant school in the Gaza Strip, being used by the agency.

    Immediately after discovery, the Agency informed the relevant parties and successfully took all necessary measures for the removal of the objects in order to preserve the safety and security of the school. UNRWA has launched a comprehensive investigation into the circumstances surrounding this incident.

    “… and successfully took all necessary measures for the removal of the objects” which translates to – gave them back to Hamas to store and use against Israel, elsewhere.

  128. egg_

    God tends not to take political sides, but when it comes to the carbon tax, She does seem to be trying to tell us something via celestial signs.

    According to ice core data, CO2 concentration change lags temperature change by hundreds of years – what’s the great ‘Carbon’ sink, ma’m – the oceans, the flora, carbonates?

  129. This pretty well destroys the Myth of second hand smoke:

    Lungs from pack-a-day smokers safe for transplant, study finds.

    Think of the people that have died because of the hysteria.

  130. .

    Stephan
    #1385991, posted on July 18, 2014 at 4:48 am
    Careful Stephan, you’re starting to sound like a libertarian

    I’m dead against most nanny state laws, I just think poor people need money more than the rich.

    Then you’d support the LDP tax policy – 40k TFT, no payroll tax, no excise tax.

  131. .

    This pretty well destroys the Myth of second hand smoke:

    The science is out there is you look for it yourself and don’t want to be spoonfed by propagandists like Simon Crapman and Mikey Daube.

  132. C.L.

    Police Superintendent: ‘Yeah, gang rape of white teenager by African gang was just, like, a one-off thing, nothing racist – God no – NO.’

    The men, described as African in appearance and aged in their 20s, were last seen walking towards a Macquarie Street shopping centre.

    Superintendent Gillam stressed that the attack appeared to be a one-off, random incident and had nothing to do with any race-related issue.

    Good boy. Have a multiculturalism biscuit.

  133. egg_

    That being said – that crash is another reason to not fly Malaysia Airlines.

    +1

    Likely still not running an MES in their T7′s (but I doubt such reports).
    Apparently everyone else was avoiding Ukraine air space.

  134. Geriatric Mayfly

    The details escape me, but wasn’t it the disgraced Marcus Einfeld who came to some extraordinary conclusion about second hand smoke, from the loft heights of the bench? It dovetailed nicely into the wowser campaigns, run by the usual suspects at the time.

  135. Superintendent Gillam stressed that the attack appeared to be a one-off, random incident and had nothing to do with any race-related issue.

    This is just so stupid it hurts.

  136. David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 3m
    “I have directed my National Security Team to bring in Aaron Sorkin for a re-write.”

    Gold.

  137. Some ABC newsroom staff: “Every evil is the fault of the Jews and the evil Koch Bros! Ban technology!”

  138. .

    Deadman

    The lunacy of that should be reproduced here verbatim.

    Basically some idiot absolves themselves of blame for the Malaysian Airlines plane being shot down, Arab Israeli conflict and rape of underage girls in India because…they’ve stopped driving a car.

    How very saintly of them.

  139. egg_

    Ban technology!

    So they’ll cease to twitter, forthwith?

  140. The lunacy of that should be reproduced here verbatim

    All right.

    Steve [an ABC newsroom techie, on Facebook, who’s booked a cycling holiday in Vietnam!]: Russian backed rebels in Ukraine may have shot down MH77. A 6yo girl raped in school in India. Israel bombing the shit out of women and children from the indigenous minority the UN stole the land from. Really please, can the oil run out finally and forever this year?! Humans don’t deserve technology, they need to be permanently restricted to sticks and stones as tools.
    Alison Caldwell‬ [an ABC journo]: I don’t own a car anymore. I’m with you ‪Steve, totally
    Steve: It makes me despair! We all know how to behave towards others, we all learn that in kindergarten for cryin’ out loud. Yet the hatred goes on, those who know how to not be hateful still encourage it for money and it just goes on and on and on.
    I’m starting to almost want to believe David Icke’s particular brand of loony conspiracy. Except the “reptiles” are the Koch brothers and the like.
    I could weep. My heart aches. And I work in a newsroom, I can’t even turn off to it.

    Later, by the way, on an unrelated matter:

    It is time for a revolution to overthrow this government, by any peaceful means necessary. If these guys leaners rather than lifters, I want a bloodless coup d’etat, a double dissolution election, a high court challenge to the notion that any of the creeps in the LNP are fight and proper people to hold an office under the crown, anything you’ve got that would be a lawful and peaceful overthrow of this junta “running” our once fair go nation.

    Later, on another unrelated matter:

    Meanwhile, here’s a technology we should all be stockpiling (along with a few solar panel USB chargers, too) for when the technological world does go to shit. Texting is good communication when you need to be silent and most people know how to use their smart phone, unlike old skool walkie-talkies.

    Earlier, on another unrelated matter:

    One, recycled smartphone and a few tiny solar panels can have the same effect on CO2 emissions as taking 3000 cars off the road, simply by protecting 1 square mile of rainforest from illegal logging. Good, lets do both!

  141. Vox.com just needs to stop writing about Israel:

    Mollie Hemingway at The Federalist: “[Zach] Beauchamp wrote Vox’s 26-card ‘explainer’ on Israel and Palestine and he thought — until a random internet person corrected him — that there was a bridge connecting Gaza to the West Bank. I repeat: He thought that there was a bridge connecting Gaza to the West Bank.” At least, unlike the Hebron error, they corrected this one.

    Wow. Just wow.

  142. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From lotocoti at 6:39 am:

    ” You’d think that with modern technology, ground forces could determine the difference …

    It’s called IFF and it’s been around for a long time. But Indication Friend or Foe means nothing if a ground site doesn’t or can’t query it.”

    My reaction was along similar lines – not every freedom fighter / rebel / bandit / muslim cave man is kitted out as Arnie or Steven Segal with the latest laptop hanging from his belt, loaded with teenage boy war game contest solutions.

    I’d imagine a good few of the shooters are easily excited yoofs trained up to ululate on demand, to fire randomly into the air and not much else. They’d be flat out spelling their Christian name let alone mastering key strokes and co-ordinates. (Like most of the neanderthals they’d disappear over the nearest hill at a fair clip rather than bravely front a visible advancing foe.)

    Mind you, every field operative from the QLD Police Terrorist and Black Market Tobacconists Squashing Squad, our ambulance service and the local hardware store security guard appears to be so equipped, as C.L. has noted here recently. They could use their loaded belts alone as a civilised man’s nulla nulla.

    I get very amused when I see them stride forth, in section formation, from the Orchid Ave coppers shop all in menacing black and armed to kill ten men each … with their safety first flouro vest jauntily cast over the bandoliers and walkie talkies. That makes ‘em look as scary as a Sesame Street character.

  143. .

    It is time for a revolution to overthrow this government, by any peaceful means necessary. If these guys leaners rather than lifters, I want a bloodless coup d’etat, a double dissolution election, a high court challenge to the notion that any of the creeps in the LNP are fight and proper people to hold an office under the crown, anything you’ve got that would be a lawful and peaceful overthrow of this junta “running” our once fair go nation.

    The ABC is basically a breeding and indoctrination ground for the Australian Communists (Greens).

    Shut it down. Fire them all. etc.

  144. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From lotocoti at 6:39 am:

    ” You’d think that with modern technology, ground forces could determine the difference …

    It’s called IFF and it’s been around for a long time. But Indication Friend or Foe means nothing if a ground site doesn’t or can’t query it.”

    My reaction was along similar lines – not every freedom fighter / rebel / bandit / muslim cave man is kitted out as Arnie or Steven Segal with the latest laptop hanging from his belt, loaded with teenage boy war game contest solutions.

    I’d imagine a good few of the shooters are easily excited yoofs trained up to ululate on demand, to fire randomly into the air and not much else. They’d be flat out spelling their Christian name let alone mastering key strokes and co-ordinates. (Like most of the neanderthals they’d disappear over the nearest hill at a fair clip rather than bravely front a visible advancing foe.)

    Mind you, every field operative from the QLD Police Terrorist and Black Market Tobacconists Squashing Squad, our ambulance service and the local hardware store security guard appears to be so equipped, as C.L. has noted here recently. They could use their loaded belts alone as a civilised man’s nulla nulla.

    I get very amused when I see them stride forth, in section formation, from the Orchid Ave coppers shop all in menacing black and armed to kill ten men each … with their safety first flouro vest jauntily cast over the bandoliers and walkie talkies. That makes ‘em look about as threatening as a Sesame Street character.

  145. .

    I’m starting to almost want to believe David Icke’s particular brand of loony conspiracy. Except the “reptiles” are the Koch brothers and the like.
    I could weep. My heart aches. And I work in a newsroom, I can’t even turn off to it.

    Behold the quality of Australian journalism, especially at the ABC.

    Here is something ABC journalists would be fond of:

    http://www.sherryshriner.com/

    The above people report your news. They find the carbon tax repeal unbelievable and feel more comfortable with these lunatic conspiracy theories. They don’t like reality.

    If you feel alarmed by this at all, never ever vote for the ALP or Greens again.

  146. john constantine

    the herd mentality of the abc runs at the red hot intensity of heartache–all the time.

    the abc staffroom keeps bubbling with barely restrained hysteria.

    what would they do to someone that didn’t go as far over the top on an issue that ‘aches their heart’ just so much?.

    surely this is now an occupational health and safety issue?. with so many abc employees complaining of sick building syndrome, abc complaining about cancer clusters, abc staffers needing well earned breaks for stress leave, and the level of abc staff suffering from depression–this is not a situation that demands taxpayer dollars to build new abc staffrooms, it requires the sick culture to end, for the health of the abc staff themselves.

  147. I notice that the ABC’s Allison Caldwell—become her facebook friend!—recommends the “I love the ABC” site* which flogs “I ♥ [ABC symbol]” shirts for only $20 (plus shipping).

    * which seems to be an independent, profit-making enterprise.

  148. Mr Rusty

    I love the smell* of Co2 in the morning. Smells like…victory.

    *Yes I am aware that co2 is odourless!

  149. H B Bear

    the herd mentality of the abc runs at the red hot intensity of heartache–all the time.

    That’s the problem at the staff co-op – inter-married, inter-bred (with their ALP bruvvers and sisters), buying programs from their mates (Red Kezza, Denton, Chaser “Boys”) … and on it goes. A taxpayer funded echo chamber.

    And the apologist Mark Scott picks up three quarters of a million dollars for doing SFA.

  150. egg_

    It’s called IFF and it’s been around for a long time. But Indication Friend or Foe means nothing if a ground site doesn’t or can’t query it.

    MAS hardly has a good recent (comms) record, given MH370.

  151. Senile Old Guy

    James Allan in the Australian:

    At the risk of offering unsolicited advice, it seems to me that your government has done a terrible job on this front of fixing the budget, our Senate notwithstanding. As soon as you were elected, we should have been hearing on a daily basis that we were paying $1 billion a month in interest payments — mention this in every interview, every day, on whatever topic. And we should have been continually told that we either fix it now, or our kids will have to fix it down the road, as is happening in much of Europe right now. Oh, and if we do have a big problem, then put the money raised into lowering the deficit, not into some medical research misdirection ploy.

    It seems to me that you are coming dangerously close to alienating your core supporters on this. You are passing new taxes, pre-election genuflections notwithstanding, but you can’t seem to get any savings through the Senate at all. That being the case, I suggest you immediately stop ­enacting any more revenue-raising bills until you do manage to cut some spending. First, do no harm, as it were. So, please, stop passing new taxes or “levies”. You can do that, even with an incredibly ­obstreperous Senate.

    While you’re at it, take your massively expensive paid parental leave scheme and put it in a “to do later” folder. Virtually none of your core supporters want this enacted. Ya, ya, ya I understand that a host of federal civil servants already get this sort of uber-generous deal. So what? Much better to take their special deal away from them than to give the deal to others and spend another $5bn.

    That leaves the fourth pre-election pledge, your promise to roll back the section 18C hate speech laws. This was the most important ground on which I voted for you. In the long run, it may be the most important issue of them all. Yet I fear your government is getting cold feet. George Brandis’s proposals for change were a bare minimum of what is acceptable.

    What is really dispiriting is that there is in your Liberal Party party­room a cohort of MPs who don’t seem to care about free speech at all, not in any meaningful sense. They want to block the repeal of 18C, which ridiculously legislates against offending ­people. I would never again vote for any Liberal MP who did not support repeal.

  152. cynical1

    Ain’t that just like the ABC.

    A backroom technician in a hairshirt.

    Don’t suppose the cretin ever thought of resigning on priciple?

    Thought not….

  153. egg_

    the herd mentality of the abc runs at the red hot intensity of heartache–all the time.

    Vitrioli seems to be sounding even more scatty nowadays – desperately trying to maintain relevancy with ‘pretty young things’ breathing down her neck?

  154. incoherent rambler

    I love the smell* of Co2 in the morning. Smells like…victory.

    I could add one word for the upset people at the ABC -

    nyah! nyah! nyah! nyah! nyah!

  155. Mr Rusty

    Was just on Google and I think Nelson Mandela has risen from the grave or been born again, or something.
    Them negroes be truly magic.

  156. Infidel Tiger

    Abbott talked in Parliament for about 3 minutes. Shorten has talked for at least double that length and is still going…

  157. hoppers

    Here is something ABC journalists would be fond of:

    http://www.sherryshriner.com/

    Oh the pure joy of landing upon a hideous Microsoft FrontPage 6.0 website, been a while.

  158. incoherent rambler

    Business, industry, farming orgs and the non-left web media has been thundering in their applause of the carbon tax repeal. Please take note Tony.
    Please Tony, also not that the left is outraged.
    Imagine the cheering for a government that killed the RET and a dozen other green legislative leeches.
    Tony, this was and is your path to electoral success.
    The only political risk that you face is that a far-left hardcore will dislike you even more. Despite what Peta tells you, this is a good thing for the country and will be a good thing for your electoral standing.

  159. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    OldSalt – I just now enjoyed that fishing song from Newfoundland. Must get me there someday.

  160. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Imagine the cheering for a government that killed the RET and a dozen other green legislative leeches.
    Tony, this was and is your path to electoral success.

    Oh, wouldn’t it be luvverly?
    Surely you agree, Ms. Doolittle?

    Plus lots of coal, making lots of heat. Yes please, in this weather.

  161. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The very moment the carbon tax was repealed, after three parliamentary attempts, several years of political warfare and the killing of a leader or two, a rainbow appeared over Lake Burley Griffin.

    God tends not to take political sides, but when it comes to the carbon tax, She does seem to be trying to tell us something via celestial signs.

    Oh noes. Gaia is weeping?
    Personally, I favour that its Thor or Loki, having a lend. Both were trickster types.
    Or it’s the all-powerful Odin, in there seeking a few more sacrificial deaths.

  162. Bruce of Newcastle

    Important advice:

    In war, make time for sex, says Dr. Ruth

    Who is Dr Ruth? Well…

    The sprightly 4-foot-7, 86-year-old lost her parents in the Holocaust and was a sniper in the Haganah, prestate Israel’s underground army. But it was her sex advice over the radio that made her famous back in the ‘80s in the United States. On Wednesday, she addressed a crowd of 650 on the ninth day of Israel’s air offensive in Gaza.

    A sniper for the Haganah? Serious cred.

    Israelis do have an interesting outlook on life.

  163. a rainbow appeared over Lake Burley Griffin…

    The immediate inference by the Fairfax loony, evidently, is that the rainbow is a sign of grief. Why? The rainbow’s first use, according to Genesis (ix: 12-15), was a sign of optimism and reassurance, representing a promise that there would never be another world-wide flood:

    And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
    I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
    And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
    And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

  164. Mr Rusty

    The very moment the carbon tax was repealed, after three parliamentary attempts, several years of political warfare and the killing of a leader or two, a rainbow appeared over Lake Burley Griffin.

    God tends not to take political sides, but when it comes to the carbon tax, She does seem to be trying to tell us something via celestial signs.

    Perhaps the message is; “Stop thinking you can control nature you puny humans.”

  165. Cold-Hands

    God tends not to take political sides, but when it comes to the carbon tax, She does seem to be trying to tell us something via celestial signs.

    A rainbow in mythology does not denote sorrow. In the Bible it is a sign of a covenant between God and Mankind; to the Norse it was the bridge between Asgard and Middle-earth; the Greeks personified the rainbow as Iris, one of the Gods’ messengers. This sign could equally represent celestial delight in the repeal of this noisome tax.

  166. incoherent rambler

    Delingpole

    Australia is an island built on carbon and is the world’s largest exporter of coal and Liquid Natural Gas. So to impose a tax on its economic raison d’etre made about as much sense as a well-endowed male porn star lopping five inches off his penis.

  167. Rudiau

    Chinese lady angry that her car is going to get towed does something most probably wouldn’t.

    Oopsy.

    Well, that would not have worked with rear wheel drive.

  168. Baldrick

    Mr Rusty
    #1386279, posted on July 18, 2014 at 11:11 am
    Was just on Google and I think Nelson Mandela has risen from the grave or been born again, or something.
    Them negroes be truly magic.

    Same same Rusty. I couldn’t work out why they put up the magic negro either but on further investigation I discovered it is the magic negro’s birthday! Which is surprising because he won’t be around to celebrate but I’m sure they’ll have some unicorns popping out of a cake somewhere in commemoration of the Magic Marxist.

  169. Baldrick

    Chinese lady angry that her car is going to get towed does something most probably wouldn’t.

    Hahahaha … was that a Volvo she be drivin’?

  170. C.L.

    Australia is an island built on carbon and is the world’s largest exporter of coal and Liquid Natural Gas. So to impose a tax on its economic raison d’etre made about as much sense as a well-endowed male porn star lopping five inches off his penis.

    If that’s not a liberty quote, nothing is.

  171. JC

    There’s no carbon justice in the dellingpole comment, CL. No recognition of carbon justice. None.

  172. JC

    Oh shit…. Climate justice…

  173. Sen. Whish-Wilson, hypocritically, questions special interests influencing votes in the Senate.

  174. Derp

    cynical1, you were right the first time on principle.

    As a kid, I remembered it as “the school principal is not your pal”
    A truism only reinforced by the venality of said, same lurking here.

  175. Bruce of Newcastle

    Ozblogistan seems to be really straining today. Russian DDOS attack?

    Its the problem with being conservative. So many people lining up to try and shut you up.

  176. Mr Rusty

    Awwww, are the wickle wefties getting angwy and taking down websites now?
    Hey dipshits – rebooting servers consumes a lot of power – way to go adding more Co2 to the atmosphere!
    Bwahahahahahahaha!!!

    Co2 tax repeal – lovin’ it!

  177. Mr Rusty

    So to impose a tax on its economic raison d’etre made about as much sense as a well-endowed male porn star lopping five inches off his penis.

    Leftard beta males (i.e. all leftard males) will be reading that thinking “Oh my God! You mean there’s guys out there with 5 inch penises? Lucky bastards!”

  178. incoherent rambler

    Warmer in Melbourne today.
    That’s what no carbon tax does.

  179. incoherent rambler

    “Oh my God! You mean there’s guys out there with 5 inch penises? Lucky bastards!”

    FIFY

  180. Another Moral Dwarf ‏@innocentshorten:

    @JulieKNovak Some semi-literate hacker has posted an irrational defence of same-sex marriage at Catallaxy in your name. Check your accounts!

  181. cynical1

    cynical1, you were right the first time on principle.

    As a kid, I remembered it as “the school principal is not your pal”
    A truism only reinforced by the venality of said, same lurking here.

    Actually, I missed the “n’ out. The second cock-up, I blame on multi-tasking and stupid tablets.

  182. incoherent rambler

    Any chance of Getup being a target of TURC?

  183. C.L.

    Ozblogistan seems to be really straining today.

    It’s been struggling for 48 hours.

    Page refresh and site load problems.

  184. .

    Deadman
    #1386510, posted on July 18, 2014 at 2:41 pm
    Another Moral Dwarf ‏@innocentshorten:

    @JulieKNovak Some semi-literate hacker has posted an irrational defence of same-sex marriage at Catallaxy in your name. Check your accounts!

    They’re being bit of a cnut, as Alfred would say.

  185. .

    Jacques,

    What is the go?

    Do we need to chip in for Catallaxyfiles to remain operational?

    If every avid reader chipped in a couple of bucks…

  186. Mike of Marion

    Gerard Henderson’s MWD (at his usual best) is now on line

  187. Aristogeiton

    struth
    #1386127, posted on July 18, 2014 at 9:19 am
    Aristo, I hope you are ticking your wifes box as well.

    The fuck are you talking about you weird cnut?

  188. Aristogeiton

    Mark from Melbourne
    #1385967, posted on July 18, 2014 at 2:39 am
    @aristo

    I wan’t all details, no matter how filthy.

    And you, you weird prick. What the fuck is this?

  189. Aristogeiton

    Ok read back over my comments and I get you. You are both still weird pricks however :)

  190. Aristogeiton

    Not you Mark; I do know how to use the apostrophe…

  191. Aristogeiton

    It’s strange hearing a rip-off of a pop tune which is in turn a rip-off of a Marvin Gaye song.

  192. Mark from Melbourne

    Aristo, it was only released a coupla days ago, and I thought it was just amusing. And yes, a rip off of a rip off.

    Certainly no insult intended!

  193. H B Bear

    From the Media Watch Dog

    Two libertarians get a run – Christopher Berg and Tim Wilson along with the small “l” Liberal Fred Chaney.

    Red Fred puts the small in small ‘l’ Liberal. Anyone expressing surprise at Abbott shouldn’t – they’ve been soft and wet for decades.

  194. Aristogeiton

    No offence at all Mark. It was quite an atrocious typo :)

  195. incoherent rambler

    Does anyone think that the cheering about the repeal of the CT might turn Tony Abbott away from being a (self confessed) climate change believer?

  196. Pickles

    Is there anyone in the nation that enjoys their work more than G Henderson?
    Roddy Meagher without the wig.

  197. Aristogeiton

    Pickles, as much as I love Hendo, he’s not a patch on Roddy Meagher.

    “There are, to be sure, multitudes of academic homunculi who scribble and prattle relentlessly about such non-subjects as criminology, bail, poverty, consumerism, computers and racism … they possess neither practical skills nor legal learning. They are failed sociologists.”

    The text he, Gummow and Lehane (and later Heydon) wrote on Equity is exceptional. The closest we have to Snell’s in this country. I miss him.

  198. Seen on Facebook:

    Be an encourager. The world has plenty of critics already.
    If you have the power to make someone happy, you should do it. The world needs more of that.

    My response: “Two Heartening Exhortations”:

    It would make me happy to murder a few Jews.…
    Well, if it will make you happy.…

  199. Aristogeiton

    You’ll find no reference to ‘preist’ in the NT with reference to the congregation, by the way Matthew. I didn’t know you were an expert in theology… Dickhead.

  200. Aristogeiton

    Wrong thread…

  201. wreckage

    When the news say “business demands” they mean “we managed to find some self appointed arseholes who demand”.

    Business in general demands to be left unmolested, but apparently the way we dress is “begging for it”.

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