Ronald Reagan on KAL 007

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61 Responses to Ronald Reagan on KAL 007

  1. Baldrick

    Thank God for Ronald Reagan, otherwise we would have nothing to compare just how truly pathetic is the Kenyan.

  2. YT

    Baldrick,

    +1

    It’s a shame our leaders have become such a pack of limp-wristed softcocks.

  3. Geriatric Mayfly

    A President who seems as one with his people and is not afraid to look them directly in the eye. By way of contrast, what a pathetic dissembler is the Magic Negro of the darting head.

  4. Derp

    You want priorities? Leadership? Gravitas?
    TheBearisLoose.

  5. Old School Conservative

    Powerful. An enduring message.
    And he spoke for over 15 minutes with minimal use of his notes – just straight from his heart and brain.

  6. Back then the free world had real leadership.

  7. Infidel Tiger

    This is how a real President acts:

    He orders a hamburger.

    Obama is either a sociopath or a very unwell:

    Also read their exasperated commentary: Is this real life?

    Look, I’m just going to say directly what Peggy Noonan sort of implied and what people are kind of worrying about, silently:

    People are beginning to become alarmed that the President may not be mentally well.

    This is fucking weird. There are people who don’t give a shit at all about social conventions or expected modes of behavior or conforming to anyone else’s expectations of what one is supposed to do at one’s job during a time of crisis.

    We call these people crazy.

    When someone shows up for work wearing nothing but a bathrobe and cowboy hat, we don’t tweet #TheBearIsLoose; we ask Human Resources to have a check ’round.

    Maybe This is It: This would be reassuring, as it’s cynical, manipulative, irresponsible, and stupid, but wouldn’t necessarily be a sign of mental infirmity:

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/350537.php

  8. H B Bear

    They should load this in the Magic Negro’s teleprompter. A reminder of real leadership.

  9. C.L.

    My God.

    The days when America was great and it had a great man as its leader.

    Who could have guessed the USA would be Soetoro-World just 20 years later?

  10. Habib

    A real leader, as opposed to that posturing nonce who’s leading the free world to oblivion. Even Jimmeh Cahtah only got one term, which led to Reagan. This knob jockey scored two, andd the Republicans will nominate another RINO poonce, probably saddling us with the Hildebeest, andd Russian hegemony.

  11. And Another Thing

    I have to admit that Reagan’s term as president really surprised me. I don’t generally have a lot of time for actors, and no one really hears what a state governor is up to. But he turned out to be a great president, ably assisted by George HW Bush. With John Paul II and Lech Walesa they helped deliver the knockout blow to the evil empire.
    Incumbents enhance or diminish the positions they hold. The American presidency now stands diminished, but there is hope. After six years of deleterious leadership, Australia is on the way back. Let’s hope the US finds a suitable president next time.
    But things never change in Russia. It is still led by an ex-KGB thug, just as the USSR always was. No matter what Putin says about who is responsible for the Malaysian Airlines tragedy you can be guaranteed of one thing. It won’t be the truth.

  12. Ant

    What a contrast. To think this great man was endlessly ridiculed and demonised by the leftist scum in that country (and here), when the scum from that same swamp will now defend the idiot Obama no matter how much of an incompetent dick he makes of himself over this outrage as he criscrosses the USA doing fund raisers. Just like Benghazi.

    BTW, I heard Hillarity being interviewed on CNN. Funny, she wasn’t asked if it was time for another ‘RESET’ stunt with Russia.

  13. Pete of Perth

    Mr Reagan was also down to earth and didn’t think himself our intellectual supreme being unlike the present incumbent. He knew when to work and when to play.

  14. And Another Thing

    Putin has just denied that Russian separatists had anything to do with shooting down the airliner. The first,big, lie.next he’ll be saying the Ukainians tried to shoot down one of their own transports

  15. Peter from SA

    Powerful. An enduring message.
    And he spoke for over 15 minutes with minimal use of his notes – just straight from his heart and brain.

    I thought the same – although he must have been reading from an autocue? They have been around for a while. A natural and powerful orator … no gimmicks and no trying to explain issues with stupid metaphors.

  16. thefrollickingmole

    But how about those spitting image shows… so witty…

    The fact I remember those more than much else about “Ronnie Ray-Gun” says a lot about the power of media bias on the young. Thatcher likewise.

  17. Megan

    You can’t fake leadership. Problem is that the incumbent can’t even manage fake.

  18. stackja

    How I miss Ronald Reagan! Leadership! Obama only has his colour to save him.

  19. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Fine words by president Reagan, fine words indeed. The truth is a bit different and it goes like this for I knew and worked with the ex flight captain for 747′s with KAL and in fact I lived on Sakhalin Island for some six years. Sokol airbase is just to the north of Yuzhno Sakhalinsk city and that’s where the fighter was launched in order to intercept KAL 007. Captain Lim was sidelined from 747 flight captain to the role of ground instructor at Cheju Island and was a very bitter man for he believed that he was being blamed for the stuff up of the flight crew who had penetrated Russian airspace up near Petropavlovsk and ignored or were incompetent enough, a bit of both in my opinion, to the extent that they were in violation of Russian airspace for about an hour, give or take. Now sit back for a minute and ask yourself what the US of A would have done long before to a 747 violating their airspace, they would have launched from Shemya or perhaps Adak or even Cold Bay and knocked it clean out of the sky. The Russian pilot tried his best to warn the 747 off by signalling, by radio, and by a bit of close flying and he too was ignored so he eventually was instructed to shoot it down and he did. That experience turned that fellow aviator into a wreck of a man and finished him. Now, if you want to know about the proficiency of KAL look up the incident at Anchorage when they tried to take the tail off an IL62 (VC10 ski) when parking a near new 747 and then in an effort to disengage they blew a complete baggage train thru the windows of the Japan Airlines terminal area with jet blast, and shortly thereafter landed a 747F freighter using the runway side lights for the centre line lights and tore the belly out of the 747F. Before blaming anyone for this tragedy we should think first about the weapons supplied to all and sundry, particularly terrorists as in Osama Bin Laden by the USA and if we laid blame for supplying weapons to people who shouldn’t have them, the hierarchy of the USA, UK, France, Israel, and a few other countries would be all in jail along with Russia and Mr Kalashnikov of AK47 fame..

  20. stackja

    Botswana O’Hooligan
    #1386715, posted on July 18, 2014 at 5:07 pm

    KGB disinformation always blamed others.

  21. Anne

    How far the US has fallen..now rotten to the core. The world needs a replacement for the nation that once was the legitimate leader of the free world: the USA, and, as such, could bring forth leaders able to express the moral supremacy like Reagan.

    Acknowledge Botswana O’Hooligan’s point regarding supply of weapons. Currently, there is no replacement, and that is frightening!

  22. Adam

    Powerful stuff. Is is possible for you to post Obama’s empty one minute rhetoric next to it just to highlight the difference, (not that it needs much highlighting but all the same it certainly would twist the knife around a few times.)

  23. Zaphod

    Couldn’t find a “Ronald Reagan on Iran Air Flight 655″ video.

  24. JC

    Thank God for Ronald Reagan, otherwise we would have nothing to compare just how truly pathetic is the Kenyan.

    Yep, 1000 times.

    GOD I miss Reagan. What an adult administration.

  25. JC

    Couldn’t find a “Ronald Reagan on Iran Air Flight 655″ video.

    The Soviet military jet tracked the KAL for several minutes. Both the pilot and his command were aware it was a civilian jet that just wondered into soviet airspace by mistake. This hardly equates with the Iranian jet, you fucking conspiracy theory whacko Zapper.

  26. Johnno

    Kevin Rudd has launched a peacekeeping initiative. He is actively campaigning for UN SG as the candidate to keep peace.

  27. Zaphod

    just wondered into soviet airspace by mistake.

    And Iran Air Flight 655 was in Iranian airspace.

    Would you get aboard an airliner flying over Ukraine, JC ?

  28. blogstrop

    I recall the ABC being all to eager to relay any story which made Reagan seem like a geriatric idiot.

  29. blogstrop

    Zaphod has emerged from the Stephan cocooned coterie.

  30. blogstrop

    Botswana, do you want to try all that again, but with some coherence and clarity. You sound a bit deranged.

  31. one old bruce

    Ukraine? No one seems to notice the Russians slow march through Asia, establishing permanent Russian colonies run by warlords.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_India

    Will they all be armed by Moscow in the future?

  32. And, pray tell, what did Ronnie do (apart from making pious speeches)?

  33. The men of the Vincennes were all awarded Combat Action Ribbons for completion of their tours in a combat zone.

    I wonder if the Russians will issue medals to the separatists who brought down MH17?

  34. What did Ronnie have to say about Iran Air Flight 655?

  35. ted button

    What a shocking and pathetic person you are Davidson. And holding a job in education, to boot.
    The least problem with this is the dumb “relativity”. There is no comparison. Reagan’s words were for the Soviet State, which had just murdered people at a period when they were falling apart.
    Today’s issues have nothing to do with ideology, Statism or anything else. Putin’s behaviour is political. Awful, but merely, pathetically political.
    But what really boils my blood is your feeding of the grubpot. When I see comments that go to the race – the race – of the president of the US. At this, of all times!
    People have died. This is not an entertainment for the student union.

  36. Ubique

    Numbers, you are deranged. Seek help.

  37. What ever it takes

    Profound Obama quote.

    “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.”

  38. But things never change in Russia. It is still led by an ex-KGB thug, just as the USSR always was.

    Imperial Russia before it wasn’t actually that much different, you know. Russia remains Russia.

    Grow a pair of balls, America – impeach this fucking monster you mistakenly re-elected and replace it with someone decent who actually understands and loves his or her country at a visceral level. Shit, if I were American I’d write “Honey Boo Boo” on the ballot if it weren’t for the fact that you can’t be President before you’re 35. :(

  39. Mater

    What did Ronnie have to say about Iran Air Flight 655?

    “I am saddened to report that it appears that in a proper defensive action by the U.S.S. Vincennes this morning in the Persian Gulf, an Iranian airliner was shot down over the Strait of Hormuz.

    This is a terrible human tragedy. Our sympathy and condolences go out to the passengers, crew and their families.

    The Defense Department will conduct a full investigation. We deeply regret any loss of life. The course of the Iranian civilian airliner was such that it was headed directly for the U.S.S. Vincennes, which was at the time engaged with five Iranian Boghammer boats that had attacked our forces.

    When the aircraft failed to heed repeated warnings, the Vincennes followed standing orders and widely publicized procedures, firing to protect itself against possible attack.

    The only U.S. interest in the Persian Gulf is peace, and this reinforces the need to achieve that goal with all possible speed.”

  40. MikeS

    Botswana O’Hooligan
    Interesting perspective (what were you up to on Sakhalin Island?)
    I vaguely recall some retrospective interview with the Soviet pilot and my irritation at the time. Probably some of the same boozed up, insulated, video arcade world view at play here too. The notion then that a lit up Boeing flying straight and level somehow resembled any kind of threat was just some macho wanker living out an infantile fantasy. Ego and paranoia cut adrift from reality is a sad, bad combo.

  41. JC

    What an amazing contrast. Reagan spent 16 odd minutes talking about the downed Korean jet in a speech.

    The Kenyan spent 40 seconds doing so and was then scrounging around for a burger and french fires.

  42. JC

    “The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years.”

    He’s like a male, American version of the Lying slapper. It’s uncanny how the two got to the leadership in very similar circumstances

    She knifed the earwax in the back to get to the top. He knifed Hillary in the back by stealing two states who “primaried” her and would have carried her over the line.

  43. Quite something.
    Never before heard Reagan speak. He’s quite something.

  44. JC

    Never before heard Reagan speak. He’s quite something.

    I’m supposing you only got television and the internet in the past couple of years at that sand dune you call home.

    Seriously Stevie, how could not have ever heard the Gipper speak. Are you living on the far side of Jupiter or something? FFS.

  45. JC, most of Australia did not have a TV reception when Reagan was President.
    Btw, internet is not yet 10 years old.

  46. JC

    JC, most of Australia did not have a TV reception when Reagan was President.

    Most of Australia? You don’t mean most Australians. I even recall watching the news of his election victory.

    You really are a red neck aren’t you.

  47. Not having TV stations send me a reception is hardly a big deal JC. What’s your problem?
    Which state do you live in? (Though from your lack of knowledge of Australia & Australian culture & vernacular, there’s a fair chance you’ve never set foot in this great land)

  48. JC

    Not having TV stations send me a reception is hardly a big deal JC.

    Nothing really. I just find it extraordinary that a person living in a first world country had never heard Reagan’s voice until now.

    Hey, but I’m the odd one out here, not you… of course.

  49. Hey, but I’m the odd one out here,

    Truer words rarely are spoken.
    How the heck would I see Reagan speak? TV wasn’t transmitted to most of this great nation until after he was off the scene.
    The coming of television was hardly something that could be called progress. It is known as the “idiot box” for a very good reason.

    BTW, they’re not called “first world” countries except by those who’ve forgotten how the term came about.

  50. JC

    Stevie

    You shouldn’t be publicizing the fact that you got TV in the 90′s. It makes you sound a little red neckie. If your single and looking to date, don’t make any reference to that. Just a little advice… that’s all.

    And no reason to get all defensive about it.

  51. You shouldn’t be publicizing the fact that you got TV in the 90′s.

    Why not?

    If your single and looking to date, don’t make any reference to that.

    Why the heck not? It is not as if it is a failing, certainly it isn’t a failing of mine.
    Besides, I rarely watch the thing.

  52. Blogstrop

    TV was reaching out to far west NSW by the late 1960s. Reagan was elected late 79 and started his presidency in 1980. QLD might have been different, we still had vernacular jokes about turning back your watch 20 years when you went there.
    But as I mentioned above, the media here were more inclined to ridicule Reagan than praise him.

  53. Geriatric Mayfly

    Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall. A more potent message from than Gipper than Kennedy’s Ich bin ein Berliner. Cometh the hour, cometh the man.

  54. Johno

    Thanks for this reminder of communist Russia’s former ‘achievements’.

    Is this what Putin means when he wanted to revive the Soviet Union’s former glory days?

    Criminal.

  55. ROO

    I’ll back Steve at the Pub, we lived 80km west of Walgett, NSW and we only got a clear signal for the ABC in 1984. Before that we were lucky to get 6 evenings a year of reception that was not pure “snow”. So not seeing the the great man on the TV is not unheard of.
    Also you do not have to be a red neck if you live on a remote sheep/cattle station. I’ve met a lot more red neck wankers within 20km of the Sydney CBD.

  56. Paul

    The Kenyan spent 40 seconds doing so and was then scrounging around for a burger and french fires.

    Maybe, like Bush on 911, he knew what the plan was and thus wasn’t surprised enough for the cameras.

  57. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Also you do not have to be a redneck if you live on a remote sheep/cattle station

    JC did admit on a previous thread that he despises farming and farmers. Perhaps he’s just carrying on with that theme? There are those of us who regard your average urban dweller with the same contempt.

  58. Urban dwellers don’t realise what a bunch of softcocks they are considered by the rest of the nation.
    The contempt comes from having most everything laid on free (or “canned” for them, as my grandfather called it).
    Don’t worry about JC, he’s one of the more “colourful” commenter here ROO, poor JC hasn’t been around all that much, that’s all.
    I doubt he’s even ridden in a rodeo or pushed a boggi.

  59. JC did admit on a previous thread that he despises farming and farmers.

    Eh? Does he like to eat?

  60. stackja

    I mostly knew Ronald Reagan from his addresses on shortwave radio. TV news mostly ignored him.

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