Abbott invites a civil disobedience campaign

Here is Tony Abbott on Tuesday:

As for 18C, look, I’m a passionate supporter of free speech. I absolutely am a passionate supporter of free speech and if we were starting from scratch with Section 18C, we wouldn’t have words such as ‘offend’ and ‘insult’ in the legislation. But we aren’t starting from scratch – we are dealing with the situation that we find ourselves in – and I want the communities of our country to be our friend, not our critic. I want to work with the communities of our country as ‘Team Australia’ here and as I said in my opening remarks, the Government’s perfectly reasonable under different circumstances attempt to amend Section 18C has become a complication that we just don’t need and we’re not going to proceed with.

Well, yes. The Prime Minister also has an obligation to uphold the law of the law and that might be sorely tested over the next few days.

Quadrant – a bastion of the Australian conservative/liberal establishment, having effectively declared Abbott’s government an illiberal regime – is organising a civil-disobedience campaign against 18c.

What form should such protest action take? Specifically intellectual civil disobedience is advocated here because of the nature of the right that has been taken away. Physical protest is neither appropriate nor envisaged. At the very least, an appropriate campaign would involve the deliberate and pre-publicized expression of opinions and disclosure of information that the relevant special interest groups have alleged would or might offend them. Ideally, these opinions should be ones that would be accepted by most ordinary Australians as reasonable (e.g., many terrorists are highly vocal Muslims); and the information disclosed should be factual (e.g., about the ineffectiveness of many programs for disadvantaged indigenous people and the channeling of scarce funding to white bureaucrats and urban professionals and academics). The causing of offense so achieved should then be followed by a refusal to acknowledge the role played by the Human Rights Commission, the courts, or any other state apparatus, as they attempt to act on behalf of the offended groups.

Quadrant is helpfully providing a form letter to be sent to the PM office:

Fill in the blanks below with the name of whatever group seems most appropriate. Hint: It won’t be ‘Presbyterians’.    Send the completed form to:

Prime Minister Tony Abbott
Parliament House,
Canberra, 2600

Be aware that completing this document represents an act of civil disobedience. It will constitute Exhibit A in any charges brought against you

1/ Members of the ______ community are disproportionately represented amongst those recently charged and convicted with plotting terrorist acts.

2/ Members of the ______ community are disproportionately represented amongst those charged with female genital mutilation.

3/ Some leaders of the ______ community are prone to denouncing the society that has welcomed them.

4/ Other leaders of the ______ community remain pointedly silent as their co-religionists journey overseas to join known terrorist organisations.

I will be at home and available to be taken into custody at the following time:  __.__ am/pm

Signature: ________________________________

This document was drafted by Quadrant Online editor Roger Franklin, who would be proud to be charged with violating Section 18C.

While I agree that Abbott shouldn’t be able to break his often repeated election promises with impunity – I’m not convinced that civil disobedience is the most appropriate response either. Especially given that 18c protesters are very unlikely to get the same soft-on-crime judge as did Jonathan Moylan.

My preference is to lodge as many complaints for 18c violations against as many 18c supporters as possible. Then to work to deny pre-selection to those Liberal MPs (both state and federal) who support the retention of 18c. If they are preselected to then campaign against the re-election of those MPs and so on.

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152 Responses to Abbott invites a civil disobedience campaign

  1. Andrew

    So basically campaign for a repeat of the Gillard-Roxon-Combet govt then? That’s the only possible result from campaigning against LNP candidates. But I’m all for 18C complaints. Doubt that any Cats fall into a demographic able to lodge one though.

  2. Nic

    Not amending 18C irks me a lot, particularly given the subsequent obsequiousness displayed to Muslims. My only thought is that possibly the Government wants to tighten anti terror legislation and doesn’t want to be seen as ‘picking on ‘ Muslims. Either way, our Government is gutless.

  3. Infidel Tiger

    The Liberal Party and Islam have adherents that are utterly depraved and disgusting. They offend me on a cellular level.

    I believe them to be sub human filth. I spit upon them.

  4. Alfonso

    Quadrant are pussys. More forceful comment re Muslim cultural incompatibility with Australian values appears daily at the Cat.

  5. Alfonso

    But Quadrant is a good example of truth being no defence to the prosecution of causing offence to, say, a Muslim.

  6. KC

    Your way works. It brings appropriate attention to the law in a manner that could lead to change as it illustrates its (im)practical and illiberal effect (through its application) as well as putting to proof those who oppose free speech (through threatening election/preselection).

    The Quadrant way of merely publishing form letters will have the same effect that most form letters have – little, if any.

  7. Biota

    Have I read this correctly that the muslim community has blackmailed the Australian government into not repealing 18c?

  8. David

    That, Biota, is my take on the back down. Pathetic.

  9. DrBeauGan

    The joys of multiculturalism are becoming apparent. People come to Australia and instinctively clamour for the repulsive institutions that made them leave their birth countries, disgusting hell- holes that they were and still are.

    I have no problem with a multi-ethnic Australia. I have strenuous objections to a multicultural one.
    Things are going to get much, much worse. We are becoming a collection of tribes instead of a nation.

  10. Greigoz

    Steyn had a great line this morning that I think equally relates to this current government, and the predicament we find ourselves in:- (Australia) has a two-party system in which one party is committed to making things worse and the other party isn’t committed to making things any better.

  11. Martin Luther

    I would add to the list a demand that MP’s stop funding the multicultural industry from our taxes. It was always a boondoggle based on false views about Australian society. It is galling that my money is used to campaign against Australian democracy.

  12. Mr Rusty

    My preference is to lodge as many complaints for 18c violations against as many 18c supporters as possible.

    Yay! Somebody else gets it. The only way to repeal 18c is to get the left to do it.

  13. Greigoz

    And another thing…
    Does Tony Abbott seriously think he is going to get the Muslim vote? Once he bends over on gay marriage (no pun intended), he’ll have nothing to offer them.

  14. amortiser

    I would have thought that Mike Carleton’s article on Israel’s actions in Gaza was a clear breach of 18c. Where is the action being taken against him?

  15. Sinclair Davidson

    Have I read this correctly that the muslim community has blackmailed the Australian government into not repealing 18c?

    I don’t know if that is what has actually happened (I very much doubt it) or poor wording and explanation on Abbott’s part (more likely the case).

  16. rickw

    Have I read this correctly that the muslim community has blackmailed the Australian government into not repealing 18c?

    It would seem so.

    What I find so bizarre is that the Liberals were so full of venom and bile against a benign section of the community such as Gun Owners, and yet when faced with something altogether more dangerous, they simply fold without so much as a whimper?

  17. Moi?

    Excellent! Let’s get to it right away! And why not include the Pressos and Tykes and Jews?

    My contributions:

    “Many Dutch immigrant newspaper columnists are bigots.”

    “There are too many Anglophile Christians teaching economics.”

    ” People who make generalised remarks about Muslims are often paedophiles.”

    ” Women who inherit ridiculous wealth from mining royalties often are bored and have bad sex lives.”

    “Jews are taking over our precious comedy clubs.”

    [Obviously a trolling effort, but ironically consistent with my strategy. The more we all run to government complaining about each other the sooner 18c will go. Sinc]

  18. Senile Old Guy

    My only thought is that possibly the Government wants to tighten anti terror legislation and doesn’t want to be seen as ‘picking on ‘ Muslims.

    And this strategy worked so well with the “fairness tax” ensuring the LNP was not seen to be picking on the less well off.

  19. David

    We are becoming a collection of tribes instead of a nation

    Makes a bit of a farce of Mr Rabbit’s “Team Australia”.

  20. Moi?

    Thanks Sinc. (It was a test actually.)

  21. Tailgunner

    So if this Lib government is too weak to stand for Australia against Islam then what are we to do?
    Where do we put votes-on-the-ground?
    Is it really all over UK-style?

  22. Vicki

    I have no problem with a multi-ethnic Australia. I have strenuous objections to a multicultural one.
    Things are going to get much, much worse. We are becoming a collection of tribes instead of a nation.

    Well said, Dr BeauGan! I think this would be a common position amongst most Australians who haven’t yet had their thought processes shaped by a second rate education system.

    It is a matter of despair and frustration that we are witnessing a determined movement to fragment and divide our society in the name of “diversity”. They have learned nothing from the example of Europe.

  23. incoherent rambler

    So Irish, Kiwi, Tasmanian and pommy jokes are still OK? I just can’t tell muslim jokes is that how it goes?

  24. ev425128

    Serious question: Will filling the blanks in the intended manner invite prosecution under s18C of the Racial Discrimination Act?

  25. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Sorry, this will not work, and for many reasons. Some will lose their job directly in consequence of such an arrest. Others are simply lacking the necessary martyrdom complex, others the ability to finance the legal side.

    This is ‘civil disobedience for lawyers and the well funded’. I am neither.

    What is required is flooding the system. USING 18c against them – remember, lefties pass this sort of rubbish expecting to use it to silence others but NEVER expecting people to use their own rules against them – they forget that turn about is fair play.

    Lefty Snarlharpy W Frightbat screeches that religious white men are racist babykillers? File an 18c complaint against her – for I am offended. Mullah Achmed Sconelopper screams that ISIS is great and whitey must die? Same.

  26. lotocoti

    My only thought is that possibly the Government wants to tighten anti terror legislation and doesn’t want to be seen as ‘picking on ‘ Muslims.

    Which is why eighty year old nuns have to be cavity searched at US airports.

  27. Toiling Mass

    One positive regarding the letter is that, if it is discussed more broadly, it will make clear to even the least informed person just what a frightening piece of legislation this. To be told something they likely accept already is illegal and actionable might give them a bit of a jolt.

  28. H B Bear

    I’m too pretty for prison.

  29. jupes

    and I want the communities of our country to be our friend, not our critic.

    FMD how many times does Abbott have to be hit with the clue-bat before he gets it?

    He steers Combet and Stott-Despoja to the government trough and how much credit does he get from lefties? None.

    He increases taxes to those already paying more than their share in order to make the budget appear ‘fair’ and what is the main criticism of the budget from the left? Oh, it’s unfair.

    He misses an opportunity to get rid of the Human Rights Commission and what do they do? Why they order the first enquiry into children in detention since Howard.

    He misses an opportunity to get rid of the ABC and what do they do? Attack him relentlessy including releasing national secrets.

    Now he wants to make some changes to national security laws so he appeases Muslims by not repealing 18c and how much appreciation do the Muzzos show? LOL

    What’s the definition of stupidity again?

  30. jupes

    I’m too pretty for prison.

    Plus you haven’t got any dacks on.

  31. sabrina

    Protest, but vote LNP…………unless DavidL’s party puts up a (good) candidate. make the most of limited alternatives.

  32. Toiling Mass

    One big difference between the Left and the Right is that they see the law as a weapon and as a means of by-passing community.
    The brouhaha over Butch Carlton reflects the community. The Left has nothing but contempt for every one not in on their plans as benighted unstudied imbeciles.

  33. jupes

    Protest, but vote LNP

    Not while they have an open borders policy.

  34. David

    What’s the definition of stupidity again?

    Definition. Stupidity. A coalition LNP Gummint.

    Definition. Criminal Stupidity. An ALP Gubbermint.

    Definition. Complete and Utter Hypocrisy. A Green – any Green

  35. Can we also have a pro-forma declaration about abortion supporters, especially those such as the Tasmanian Government and opposition members who denied people the right to pray within 150 metres of places where babies are murdered under the guise of ‘Womyn’s Rights?

  36. Tom

    What’s the definition of stupidity insanity again?

    He really is a Z grade leader because he thinks people of average intelligence can’t see him selling out every principle he ever mouthed in public.

    The LNP has only one chance for survival: depose the Credlin government before we do.

  37. I put the word “Zionists” in all the spaces. I got three invites to writers’ festivals, four to arts festivals, an Emmie nomination, a Walkly, a column in the SMH, an interview on ABC radio about my favourite music…and one of those low-rent Nobels they give out in Norway instead of Sweden.

    I’d have preferred a Swedish Nobel. Still, not bad for a quick pogrom. (Hey, we all know what’s meant by “Zionists”, right?)

  38. Thanks for the template.
    Here’s my effort-

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott
    Parliament House,
    Canberra, 2600

    1/ Members of the Anglo Saxon community are disproportionately represented amongst those recently charged and convicted with crimes of violence when drunk.

    2/ Members of the Anglo Saxon community are disproportionately represented amongst those charged with cruelty to animals.

    3/ Some leaders of the Anglo Saxon community are prone to denouncing the society that has welcomed them.

    4/ Other leaders of the Anglo Saxon community remain pointedly silent as their hatred and fear of individuals who are not Anglo-Saxon cause a major threat to the quality of life of the groups they vilify.

    I will be at home and available to be taken into custody at the following time: 9am/5pm

    Signature: ________________________________

    This document was drafted by Quadrant Online editor Roger Franklin, who would be proud to be charged with violating Section 18C.

  39. H B Bear

    Plus you haven’t got any dacks on.

    Tell me about it. I can’t wait for summer.

  40. Brett_McS

    Excellent idea from Quadrant. I’ll be sending that in.

    A quote I read somewhere, now forgotten:

    “Meddling gets prohibitively expensive absent voluntary compliance.”

    The government likes to meddle in our free speech; let’s at least make it awfully expensive.

  41. Fisky

    It’s becoming easier to see how the Lying Slapper was able to form government in 2010 (I think she was always on the inside track given the new Senate’s composition). Abbott is hopeless at negotiation. He goes out guns blazing on issues without stitching anything up behind closed doors, then is forced into humiliating backdowns. He makes unprincipled concessions to his opponents without being able to enforce quid-pro-quo and is then exposed as a weakling.

    Abbott is a kind of anti-Francis Urquhart. He violates every rule in the Urquhart (really, the Macchiavelli) playbook, and his authority evaporates accordingly.

  42. MemoryVault

    Protest, but vote LNP…………unless DavidL’s party puts up a (good) candidate. make the most of limited alternatives.

    And therein lies the utter futility of this, and any other form of protest.
    Politician’s couldn’t give a stuff about you, what you think, what you say, or what you do, as long as come election day you vote for them. And for as long as people are stupid enough to go on voting for them regardless of what they do, why on earth would they change?

    There is only one form of meaningful political protest available in this country today, and that is to withhold your vote. If enough people did it, it wouldn’t just send a clear message that we’ve had enough, it would hit them where it REALLY counts – in the parties’ bank balances.

  43. Fisky

    Excellent idea from Quadrant. I’ll be sending that in.

    It may be an excellent idea if you are a retiree with your life savings stashed away in the Cayman Islands. It is a terrible idea for anyone who wants to work in Australia again.

    Flooding the courts with 18C complaints is a better option.

  44. Adam D

    I like the frivolous complaints (in our opinion) strategy much better. I don’t have The time or resources to follow these up though but would be willing to make a contribution to anyone who can. Thankfully the left are horribly racist in most parts do it shouldn’t be too hard to make a nice list of targets, mike Carlton comes to mind. Perhaps we should focus our attention on potential 18c targets of the left…

  45. They’ve got it wrong. If they want civil disobedience, then they need to not only challenge the law, but have others feign offence to such challenges in a way that wastes the time and money of the authorities, but not either the complainants or the complainees.

    So we should all challenge the law and all complain about each other’s challenges. As the left often show, hypocrisy is no barrier, so I can offend zoroastrians while complaining about JCs offending presbyterians, of which I am one. We can simply withdraw complaints using 18c once we are satisfied that the authorities have wasted sufficient time. Easy as.

  46. egg_

    I like the frivolous complaints (in our opinion) strategy much better.

    +1

    Beat ‘em at their own game.

  47. Fisky

    I can see Abbott is reaching for the Putin distraction again.

    Sorry buddy, it only works once.

    You’re done.

  48. I like the frivolous complaints (in our opinion) strategy much better.

    Oh, goody! The HRC makes it so eeeeasy!

    Any techies on here know how to make a random complaints generator?

  49. incoherent rambler

    I have a black snake in the wood pile.
    Is their a government approved way of alerting people to this fact?

  50. Squirrel

    “My preference is to lodge as many complaints for 18c violations against as many 18c supporters as possible.” – absolutely the way to go – entirely logical and reasonable, and long overdue. There should be particular attention to anything broadcast on the ABC which might infringe ant-discrimination provisions (not just 18C).

    There is nothing in the wording of 18C which would preclude a complaint from persons of Anglo-Saxon/Anglo-Celtic/Caucasian backgrounds – if it is being interpreted and applied in such a manner, that needs to be pursued and publicised vigorously. How can there be a “Team Australia” if some are permitted to behave more offensively and provocatively than others?

  51. Squirrel

    “Squirrel

    #1408919, posted on August 8, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    “My preference is to lodge as many complaints for 18c violations against as many 18c supporters as possible.” – absolutely the way to go – entirely logical and reasonable, and long overdue. There should be particular attention to anything broadcast on the ABC which might infringe ant-discrimination provisions (not just 18C).

    There is nothing in the wording of 18C which would preclude a complaint from persons of Anglo-Saxon/Anglo-Celtic/Caucasian backgrounds – if it is being interpreted and applied in such a manner, that needs to be pursued and publicised vigorously. How can there be a “Team Australia” if some are permitted to behave more offensively and provocatively than others?

    That should, of course, be “There should be particular attention to anything broadcast on the ABC which might infringe anti-discrimination provisions (not just 18C).” – but if they discriminate against ants, they should be called out, too……

  52. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Beertruk:

    I like the frivolous complaints (in our opinion) strategy much better.

    Oh, goody! The HRC makes it so eeeeasy!

    Any techies on here know how to make a random complaints generator?

    NO!!

    Do not make frivolous complaints. That way they have a reason to ignore every complaint made.

    make genuine, GENERIC complaints.

    The cracker is “I have experienced racial hatred” in part C.

    Every lefty does this, and what about every anti-Australian utterance of every pro-terrorist nutter out there? (especially your local reps of HuT etc etc)

    Sex discrimination is anotehr easy one – look at what homosexual activists say and use that.

    These also appear to be fire and forget missiles, too.

  53. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Oh, for you Libertarians, there is a corker: ‘my human rights have been breached by a commonwealth body’.

    So you are not complaining to the HRC that 18c breaches your human right to free speech because…???

  54. stackja

    Dreaming again. Left will win 18C fight they have the MSM. Voters are the problem not the elected.

  55. Rich

    same soft-on-crime judge as did Jonathan Moylan

    …prison

    Appreciate the spirit, but last time I checked 18c allows for civil action only

    Better off making spurious claims to the HRC

  56. MartinG

    sabrina
    #1408851, posted on August 8, 2014 at 4:55 pm

    Protest, but vote LNP…………unless DavidL’s party puts up a (good) candidate. make the most of limited alternatives.

    I never voted when I lived in Australia, can’t you vote 1. Christian Democrat or LDP then 2. LNP and so on?

    If you can grab the senate it would stop Abbott from passing his crap policies but allow the good ones.

  57. Chris M

    I thought 18c was about race? In which case it wouldn’t seem to apply to criticizing mozzies.

  58. Turtle of WA

    So how about we all (at separate times) walk through a part of town where we know there will be Aborigines and film them saying ‘What are you looking at you white c—?’ and take them to court?

    Could be difficult in Melbourne. Easy pickins here in Perth. A concerted campaign could easily get 100 cases.

  59. Notafan

    Mozzies used it against an exmozzie Christian minister in Melbourne

  60. Chris M

    Notafan – oh, was that the same legislation? I thought it was a Victorian law.

  61. Turtle of WA

    This is how you do it:
    1. Light a cigarette.
    2. Smoke the cigarette.
    3. Walk past a group Aborinal Australians who are hanging around down the park.
    4. If they ask you for a cigarette, politely decline.
    5. Film them calling you a ‘white c—’ with you I-goggles or whatever they’re called.

  62. Tim Neilson

    How about some branch stacking?
    How much does it cost to join a local branch of the LNP? Does a newly joined member get a vote in a preselection? If it’s feasible we could have a poll on this site for the most egregious neofascist cant-monger in the Coalition, then fund all the Cats in that person’s electorate to join the party, then tip that person out in favour of a vertebrate, and let it be known that similar strategies will be employed in future to other traitors to Australia.

  63. Turtle of WA

    6. Take them to court for breaching 18C.

  64. Notafan

    It was but same principle

  65. Turtle of WA

    7. Make sure you have bodyguards with you as you enter the courtroom.
    8. Tell the judge that no, your claim is not vexatious, you’re just sick of racism.

  66. Glynn

    Pathetic action, Sinclair – you have lost my support for your cause.

  67. Alfonso

    The Libs didn’t tell you this has not much to do with the stalking horse terrorism……
    More about completing the Five Eyes loop of complete national surveillance.

    The thought crime legislation is just a decade or so away.

    Ya gotta love Team Taqiyya Tone.
    He’ll get away with it.

  68. MemoryVault

    Could be difficult in Melbourne. Easy pickins here in Perth. A concerted campaign could easily get 100 cases.

    You could easily get a hundred cases in an HOUR in Carnarvon, or Karratha, or South Hedland, or Darwin, or Gove, or Mt Isa, or several other places outside of the metro areas. Or you could wander into just about any park in Townsville and risk being beaten to a pulp, with or without racial insults.

    Or you could cut out all the foreplay and simply catch the ferry across to Palm Island.
    Even the Ambulance Service won’t go there without an armed police escort.

  69. Leo G

    I thought 18c was about race? In which case it wouldn’t seem to apply to criticizing mozzies.

    It might apply though, to a chap who publishes a series of insulting statements about Anglo-Saxons, falsely claiming the statements to have been drafted by a Quadrant Online editor. An Anglo-Saxons who read the claims might feel that:

    Beorn sceal gebidan,
    þonne he beot spriceð,
    oþþæt collenferð
    cunne gearwe
    hwider hreþra gehygd
    hweorfan wille.

  70. Rudiau

    Team Taqiyya Tone.

    Ohh, that could bite him in the bum.

  71. Dreaming again. Left will win 18C fight they have the MSM. Voters are the problem not the elected.

    Who cares about the MSM? The point is to make 18C unworkable by overwhelming the system. Just throw my serious ones into the mix so one can point out the validity of complaints. Spam the HRC into oblivion.

  72. MartinG

    If you want to make the law unworkable then I think Sinc has the right idea, but why flood the Human Rights Commission with frivolous claims? The law is wide open to legitimate claims provided you understand it.

    Essentially it’s about race but not exclusively so. The ABC would be a prime target for white middle age males being accused of all sorts of things. Every time an Aboriginal activist gets on there and starts saying white feller racist, then I think you have a claim, or middle aged white male/females are Homophobic just because they don’t think there can be such a thing same sex marriage etc. Anyway I think we are all too lazy to do anything about the lawlessness we witness now from every so called activist we see breaking the law at ‘peaceful’ demonstrations. The police won’t act or if they do the court sympathises with the offenders.

    Both state and federal governments are led by self serving parasites.

    RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 – SECT 18C

    Make a complaint(forms)

  73. nilk

    Read.

    race includes—

    (a) colour;

    (b) descent or ancestry;

    (c) nationality or national origin;

    (d) ethnicity or ethnic origin;

    (e) if 2 or more distinct races are collectively referred to as a race—

    (i) each of those distinct races;

    (ii) that collective race;

    From the RRTA (2001) in Victoriastan.

    And this:

    RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE ACT 2001 – SECT 8
    Religious vilification unlawful

    (1) A person must not, on the ground of the religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons, engage in conduct that incites hatred against, serious contempt for, or revulsion or severe ridicule of, that other person or class of persons.

    Note

    “Engage in conduct” includes use of the internet or e-mail to publish or transmit statements or other material.

    (2) For the purposes of subsection (1), conduct—

    (a) may be constituted by a single occasion or by a number of occasions over a period of time; and

    (b) may occur in or outside Victoria.

    Oh, and my favourite section:

    RACIAL AND RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE ACT 2001 – SECT 9
    Motive and dominant ground irrelevant

    (1) In determining whether a person has contravened section 7 or 8, the person’s motive in engaging in any conduct is irrelevant.

    (2) In determining whether a person has contravened section 7 or 8, it is irrelevant whether or not the race or religious belief or activity of another person or class of persons is the only or dominant ground for the conduct, so long as it is a substantial ground.

    Sure, it’s not 18C, but 18C was used because the Catch the Fire legal crapfest was carried out under the RRTA. I suspect that the Mordy Litijus Tribe were a bit nervous of the outcome since people knew about the RRTA, but nobody pays attention to the RDA because it’s been around for so long and the average punter doesn’t stop to wonder about any possible amendments.

  74. Staphy

    Isn’t it instructive that this kind of sustained, concerted silliness has to be embarked upon to have any hope of invoking 18C? It means for all practical intents and purposes, the law is working fine. For what it’s worth, I’d see ‘offend and ‘insult’ removed from that section but that it otherwise remain.

    The simple fact of the matter is that the people who want the legislation kept have far more to lose than you guys have, so they will almost certainly win.

  75. nilk

    The point is to make 18C unworkable by overwhelming the system. Just throw my serious ones into the mix so one can point out the validity of complaints. Spam the HRC into oblivion.

    Shades of Cloward-Piven, Beer Whisperer?

  76. Beorn sceal gebidan…

    Indeed.

    Forþon ic geþencan ne mæg    geond þas woruld
    for hwan modsefa    min ne gesweorce
    þonne ic eorla lif    eal geondþence,

    (“Therefore I cannot think why my spirit does not darken when I ponder on the whole life of men all over the world.”)

  77. Big_Nambas

    Having gone to the HRC site and read ALL the information available, forget that as a venue to get at the LNP or Abbott. Use the Courts, actions are cheap to lodge and you can string them out while the respondent has to pay Lawyers, when you get bored walk away.

  78. Marion of the Glades

    I am stumped Sinc. I get that it’s not Presbyterians. But what? Is it Catholics? It’s bit like a kid’s quiz.

  79. MartinG

    As for 18C, look, I’m a passionate supporter of free speech. I absolutely am a passionate supporter of free speech and if we were starting from scratch with Section 18C, we wouldn’t have words such as ‘offend’ and ‘insult’ in the legislation. But we aren’t starting from scratch – we are dealing with the situation that we find ourselves in – and I want the communities of our country to be our friend, not our critic.

    This statement encapsulates the moral cowardice of this Australian Prime Minister.

  80. Shades of Cloward-Piven, Beer Whisperer?

    Returned with interest justice.

  81. I am stumped Sinc. I get that it’s not Presbyterians. But what? Is it Catholics? It’s bit like a kid’s quiz.

    Well, it’s certainly not Muslims, because they are from “the religion of peace”, so it can’t be them. Nah, I’m stumped. No idea. Can’t even guess.

  82. Chris M

    The ABC would be a prime target for white middle age males being accused of all sorts of things.

    So next time some sapphist hag on Fairfax mocks us as ‘heteronormative’ we can all up and sue them?

  83. Mater

    Or you could cut out all the foreplay and simply catch the ferry across to Palm Island.
    Even the Ambulance Service won’t go there without an armed police escort.

    Why travel so far? Put on a set of Australian Army Fatigues and go buy lunch at Liverpool Westfield Shopping Centre. You can elect to be spat on, king hit, abused, shoulder charged or any combination thereof. The variety is endless…and the food hall has a good selection also.

  84. candy

    Who are these Quadrant “conservative” people who say the Abbott government is an illiberal (ie, bigoted) regime and are going to march in the streets to try and depose them?

    Will they march be the same day as the bash the budget march next week or whenever?

  85. MartinG

    Chris M
    #1409070, posted on August 8, 2014 at 8:17 pm

    So next time some sapphist hag on Fairfax mocks us as ‘heteronormative’ we can all up and sue them?

    You don’t ‘sue’ them, you make a compliant to the Human Rights Commission by filling the appropriate form.

    Make a complaint

    Now fuck off you nondescript little turd.

  86. Make a complaint
    Complaints to the Australian Human Rights Commission must be in writing. To ensure that all necessary information is provided, we prefer that you complete one of our complaint forms provided below. You can complete and submit a complaint online or you can print a hard copy and send it to us.
    A complaint can be made in any language. Follow the link for information in other languages about making a complaint. We can also help you to write down your complaint if necessary. [my bold]

    Perhaps, our craven leaders would do well to enforce a rule of “if you must use our legal system at our own expense you can at least learn our language first”.

  87. A complaint can be made in any language.

    I’m thinking West Saxon…

  88. Chris M

    First I need your full name to make the complaint.

  89. M Ryutin

    I can’t look away. It’s like a serious road accident for many. Though I’ve seen a few of those, this 18C over-reaction is so bizarre it’s in a class of its own.

    The Quadrant Online joke letter is a serious blow to its credibility. A (primary) school student would probably know that there is no obligation for Abbot to take action/prosecute anyone – even if he had standing to bring an action. As for the Muslim/Anglo-Saxon “victim” groups what simpleton thinks that they would as a matter of course anyway.

    Does anyone think that the (organized) Jewish community will necessarily take on Michael Carlton under 18C, just because they can? Is there anyone who thinks that all of these organised ethnic and religious pressure groups will take any action which puts 18C under greatest pressure or the easy marks like Andrew Bolt and the evil Murdoch empire?

    As I say, it’s hard to look away, but it’s also not pretty to watch. The Abbott government has the smell of death (as well as gross political incompetence) attached to it but – hell – a few Centre-Right/Right groups are hurting and shaking with it. Nah. I will be looking away. It’s ghoulish otherwise.

  90. .

    Deadman

    Have you heard of the English mob who try to speak and write only in Saxon English?

    Capacity to pay? No! Wherewithal!

  91. Peewhit

    As a voter you are one of 10 or 15 million. If all the people on this website joined the Liberal Party they would be joining an organisation with 80 thousand members in 2 thousand branches. Those members select who stands for parliment as a Liberal party candidate. Of those 80 thousand members it used to be just those who were willing to join the FEC, and the SEC, who selected the candidates. I do understand that it is changing or changed to a plebescite. Even so it would not take a lot of members to change the make up of the elected team, because the Liberal party is a broad church, and the members cover quite a range. So there will be quite a few members who would agree with the outrage here, and would vote to select a member more in line with their ideas. Otherwise join the LDP and add your voice and money to their campaigns. Both voice and money are very important to mount a political campaign.

  92. Mater

    M Ryutin,
    I noted your comments the other night, regarding 18C (#1405511), when emotions were high. You raised some interesting points. You seemed to infer that Abbott might be trying to cut losses for a possible DD. Did I interpret that right?
    In relation to your comment above, do you think the (organised) Jewish community might ‘pull’ their punches and steer clear of 18C, given that the job appears to have been done anyway?

  93. Mmamster

    Before I comment, I am a liberal party member and a regular reader of this blog. I support thee comic views generally expressed here, but boy have you lost the plot on this. What a dummy spit. I can’t believe the amount of sooking going on about this issue. Between you and Bolt Sinclair, there’s enough to drown out a nursery. 18c has been there for two decades. I seem to recall that Howard had control of both houses from 2004 to 2007 and nobody said tickety boo. Now the only time this section has been used has been to slam Andrew, for writing some amusing but pretty vacuous blog posts. If you remember they featured a gallery of white faced aboriginals hahaha who were caught out taking advantage of their identification as such. Andrew made the joke, some people were offended and he was targeted, because of his right wing chops. So it would be nice to fix the law but it’s hardly worth wasting political capital over when the whole house is burning down around you now is it. The way you are going on about this, and that means all of you, you’d think Abbott had nationalized the banks. It’s pathetic. If you want to see a return to alp government keep up with the juvenile whining. Otherwise focus on the main game. It’s the economy stupid. The public at large does not give a rats arse about this.

  94. Mmamster

    Read “thee comic” as “the economic”…. Auto correct is a beaut.

  95. cohenite

    What does Ed Husic think?

  96. Sinclair Davidson

    Mmamster – I’m happy to play the long game.

  97. Mmamster

    We’ll Sinclair i look forward to the repeal of 18c under a Brandis bolt government in about 2027.

  98. Sinclair Davidson

    Mmamster – if you were really a Liberal Party member you’d know that Brandis is a Senator and cannot become PM.

  99. Talleyrand

    A complaint can be made in any language.

    I’m thinking West Saxon…

    I knew there was a use for all those years of studying Akkadian…

  100. Leigh Lowe

    If one abuses an annoying TV football commentator on Friday night Footy who is a repressed homosexual, is that caught under 18c?

  101. Mmamster

    Tell that to Barnaby Joyce Sinclair. The point in case you missed it is it’s never going to happen. And just think of the damage that the Shorten/Bowen/actu government will do with greens help in the interim. That’s worth undermining the current government to repeal this section is it? Really? And if you must know I am member of Sandringham Vic branch. Of which branch are you a member?

  102. I knew there was a use for all those years of studying Akkadian…

    Indeed, if we send thousands of complaints in Old Norse, Old English, Latin, ancient Greek, Akkadian, Old Slavonian, Gothic, and so on, the Commission will have to find translators of those submissions.
    A “dead” language-lead recovery…

  103. Leigh Lowe

    A complaint can be made in any language.

    Klingon?

  104. Leigh Lowe

    Indeed, if we send thousands of complaints in Old Norse, Old English, Latin, ancient Greek, Akkadian, Old Slavonian, Gothic, and so on, the Commission will have to find translators of those submissions.

    Isn’t Old Norse a men’s aftershave?

  105. Talleyrand

    A “dead” language-lead recovery…

    To paraphrase John Wayne:
    The only good language, is a dead language.

  106. Ósnotr maðr
    hyggr sér alla vera
    viðhlæiendr vini;
    þá þat finnr,
    er at þingi kømr,
    at hann á formælendr fá.

    (The unwise man thinks that all those who laugh with him are his friends; then he discovers that when he comes to the assembly he has few advocates.)

  107. alexis

    In relation to your comment above, do you think the (organised) Jewish community might ‘pull’ their punches and steer clear of 18C, given that the job appears to have been done anyway?

    Apparently they already are doing an 18C. God only knows what the point of that would be. But the ‘organised’ Jewish community didn’t really have anything to do with Butch’s sacking. Every middle class subscriber the SMH loses will never be replaced at this point and there aren’t many left. Perhaps Fairfax have belatedly realised that mocking your readers isn’t a great marketing strategy.

  108. alexis

    I think all the suggestions above bar one are hopelessly misconceived.

    Sending the form letter is a waste of time. Politicians shred form letters, believe me. And no one has any obligation to pay any attention to the letter. If they do decide to take it further for some strange reason, it would be ignored by the HRC given the lack of standing of both parties. If not ignored, it would go to conciliation where a staffer to the PM would be in conference with a Quadrant subscriber. It would only go further if the PM’s staffer was so irate that he refused the outcome of conciliation and took the matter to the Federal Court. On behalf of some abstract Muslim. I don’t know if he would be considered to have standing in the FC to even do this. The HRC doesn’t run the court case for them. See where this is going? It’s absurd.

    As for doing it the other way around, making facetious complaints, the HRC would ignore them, but if not, you would be wasting your time in hearings and conciliation meetings, and then you would need to take Federal Court action at your own expense.

    I don’t think there is any good solution but the least worst option is probably to flood Liberal Party branches with new members and try to preselect someone with a functioning cerebral cortex. I’m in a Lib seat and will probably join for this purpose.

  109. Robert O.

    I realise that the PM”s hands are tied by the Senate, but it is sheer weakness to capitulate without any apparent effort. He should put the amended legislation forward and if it knocked back then he can say he tried to keep his promise but was thwarted. Personally I feel without a change to the voting system to first past the post we are doomed to minority interest groups wagging the dog, but when John Howard controlled both chambers of parliament he didn’t have the foresight to do this as there is Buckley’s chance now. I could not imagine the Greens supporting this; neither Labor because an ex PM needed their preferences to get in as did a lot of his colleagues. Generally the Liberals don’t contest National seats so it would not affect them as much as Labor. I am opposed to a preference system of voting as it gives some electors a double vote. If Mr. Smith tops the poll what is the logic of electing Mr. Jones because those who voted for Mr. Brown prefer Mr. Jones instead of Mr. Smith. You could substitute these names for Dr. Glasson and Mr. Rudd as one example.

  110. MartinG

    Chris M
    #1409135, posted on August 8, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    First I need your full name to make the complaint.

    Chris, you need to read through RACIAL DISCRIMINATION ACT 1975 – SECT 18C carefully before becoming so emboldened as to think you have grounds for a compliant against me. Let’s take a look at the potentially offending statement.

    Now fuck off you nondescript little turd.

    Obviously this is not a racial slur and therefore 18C cannot be invoked, even if it offended, insulted, humiliated or intimidated you, because it is not offensive behaviour based on race, colour or national ethnic origin.

    None the less we need to be careful here. Had I have said

    “You nondescript people are always trying to be smart arses when you know you are all just little turds and should all fuck off”

    I could find my self in deep trouble here since “the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people”

    In my example we can see I have characterised nondescript people as having certain traits that they may find “offensive, insulting, humiliating or intimidating”, so 18C could well be invoked.

    Since neither of us know our each others true identity it’s unlikely that you could say you were personally offended because here we only have pseudo identities and there is the risk that once you reveal your true identity to Human Rights Commission they may make a finding that you are indeed a little turd.

  111. Matthew

    I have no problem with a multi-ethnic Australia. I have strenuous objections to a multicultural one.

    The two things can’t be separated. Most migrants come with the kind of cultural baggage that we can neither understand nor suppress. We had best limit the damage and consider what has already happened a sunk cost. Time to limit migration. Five thousand a year seems good to me, with no family reunion.

  112. Yohan

    Abbott is hopeless at negotiation. He goes out guns blazing on issues without stitching anything up behind closed doors, then is forced into humiliating backdowns. He makes unprincipled concessions to his opponents without being able to enforce quid-pro-quo and is then exposed as a weakling.

    Abbott is a kind of anti-Francis Urquhart. He violates every rule in the Urquhart (really, the Macchiavelli) playbook, and his authority evaporates accordingly.

    Oh Fisky I wish this were not true, but it so is.

    I still think the problem is Abbott is too nice a guy and wanted to be a consensus, non-divisive leader for all Australians, and all that nonsense he was hinting at before the election. This is why he is the anti-Francis Urquhart.

  113. Arnost

    The two things can’t be separated. Most migrants come with the kind of cultural baggage that we can neither understand nor suppress.

    Crap. Absolute crap. Suggests we should all be conformist sheep identical to each other – the perfect socialist dream…

  114. Nato

    Love the suggestion, but was waiting for someone like deadman to make that comment @ #1409284 first.

    How many ‘middle aged white men’ who hate 18C would actually chip in?

  115. cohenite

    The two things can’t be separated. Most migrants come with the kind of cultural baggage that we can neither understand nor suppress.

    Crap. Absolute crap. Suggests we should all be conformist sheep identical to each other – the perfect socialist dream…

    This confuses values and structure. The structure is paramount; the structure is a secular democracy with separation of powers, political enfranchisement and other individual rights. Groups and individuals can have whatever values they want within that context but if they want to replace the structure as islam does then what do you do then: make impotent gestures about 18C forms and applications I guess.

  116. Crap. Absolute crap. Suggests we should all be conformist sheep identical to each other – the perfect socialist dream…

    No, just suggests that there were distinct advantages to the situation we had not that long ago when people with different race and culture lived in different countries.

    It didn’t make people conformist sheep, but it did ensure they had a common basis that they argued from.

  117. Groups and individuals can have whatever values they want within that context

    No, there are limits to the variation in value and culture possible internally, if retaining the structure is a goal.

  118. cohenite

    No, there are limits to the variation in value and culture possible internally, if retaining the structure is a goal.

    That’s true but it is true at the limits; for instance paedophilia, beheading folks, blowing up things, mass executions, marrying 9 year olds and the usual stuff we see happening every day in the name of islam would be examples of necessary limits to values by groups within the structure because they contravene both the values of other groups and individuals and also basic human values and rights.

    But anyway its all bullshit because this is all about islam; the West is at war with islam but only islam knows that at this time.

  119. Demosthenes

    I still think the problem is Abbott is too nice a guy and wanted to be a consensus, non-divisive leader for all Australians

    Missing the /sarc tag?

  120. M Ryutin

    Mater Aug 8, 2014 at 9:50 pm
    I apologise for not looking for this, but I was all looked-out last night.
    I don’t know what Abbott is doing. I have just about written them off, but putting the best spin on it (hope rather than knowledge of course) Abbott was going to push a huge increase in the temperature of anti-terrorism actions and was trying to get the Muslim community to go along to at least try and isolate a moderate element of it on his side (and there is no question that the Muslim community has tipped off authorities to various terrorist threats in the past). Going by what they say, that has failed, seeing they are stampeding into claiming that they like that less than 18C. In any case, getting “popular” is the only thing that will save him and dropping certain unpopular moves is a way to reduce the areas of dispute if misguided but reasonable people have the wrong idea about 18C (and the reasons for its repeal were NEVER properly sold).

    In my original mention quoting the Media section of the Oz that 18C complaints had been made, there was a specific mention that the official Jewish community spokespersons had not made a decision as to what to do at that time. This led me to think that 18C complaints might have been made by members of the Jewish community rather than, say, the Jewish Board of Deputies.

    No matter, with major action against Carlton and the SMH suitably chastened by the experience it makes you wonder whether the official Jewish bodies would add to the 18C queue when all it would do is stir up a heap of its enemies against Jews AND the use of 18C. Its preservation is vital for them, as they have made out and perhaps the last thing they would want is to tip the huge anti-Israel mob against it.

  121. wreckage

    So, attempt to “win” by having every member of our side hand the government “evidence” that we are all bigots? This idea from Quadrant is beyond stupid.

  122. Paul

    It wasn’t Muslims that were all over Bolt with abuse and anger when he made clear his advocacy for the 18C repeal. Remember his “after all I’ve done for you” shock?

    Of course you don’t.

  123. Sinclair Davidson

    That’s worth undermining the current government to repeal this section is it?

    Yes – at least Howard knew to keep his “core” promises. Abbott has none. Bad government doesn’t get any better simply because it is a Liberal bad government.

  124. Roger

    Bad government doesn’t get any better simply because it is a Liberal bad government.
    But it may still be infinitely preferable to the prospect of a bad Labor government…and it may improve.

    there are limits to the variation in value and culture possible internally, if retaining the structure is a goal.
    The political scientist Robert Putnam has done a very rigorous study (2007) publishing his findings that the more diversity there is in a community the less social cohesiveness there is and the more mutual distrust, as a result of which social capital declines and the community effectively dissolves. Writ large, we could conclude that there must come a point when a nation can no longer inspire common action or loyalty because it is too culturally fragmented. As someone said up thread, the problem is not so much multi-ethnicity, but multi-culturalism; without a unifying core of values a society loses cohesiveness or, in Driftforge’s terms, it can no longer maintain its structure. The pressures which multi-culturalism and pluralism place upon the education system in a areas of the UK is a good concrete examples of how structures crumble.

  125. mmamster

    The repeal of 18C was promised to energise one aspect of the base including Andrew Bolt and his followers. It is not even close to a core promise or even a very important issue. If you think Howard would have pursued this issue in the current circumstances you are dreaming. He did nothing about it when he was in government.

  126. Sinclair Davidson

    The repeal of 18C was promised to energise one aspect of the base including Andrew Bolt and his followers.

    Emphasis added – thank you. As long as you acknowledge that a promise was made, and broken, that is all I care about.

    Add to that the broken promise on taxation and I’m more than willing to do whatever it takes to ensure that his prime ministership is “nasty, brutish, and short”.

  127. Mater

    M Ryutin,
    Thanks, good analysis.
    I agree that the greatest allies of 18C is lethargy and ignorance of the general public. Anyone wishing to retain it (18C), would be well advised to leave it in the Quiver, if possible. Of course, the opposite is true, also.

  128. MemoryVault

    Bad government doesn’t get any better simply because it is a Liberal bad government.
    But it may still be infinitely preferable to the prospect of a bad Labor government

    Why?
    Can one of you Liberal Luvvie apologists please explain to me how the current Liberal government is in any meaningful way materially different to or better than the previous Labor government?

    Electorate lied to – check.
    Election promises broken – check.
    The ABC still totally out of control – check.
    Increased government expenditure – check.
    Increased personal and company taxes – check.
    Businesses still drowning in red and green tape – check.
    Household electricity and gas costs still skyrocketing – check.
    Non-existent “global warming” policies still being supported – check.
    Education and academia still firmly controlled by socialist ideologues – check.
    Government pursuing multi-billion dollar pie-in-the-sky policies to buy votes – check.
    Government pandering to every two-bit minority at the expense of their support base – check.

    After a year about all you can offer is “they turned back the boats”, which wasn’t all that difficult once the sugar was taken off the table. Besides, after a year it’s getting a bit hackneyed. And lonely.

  129. Roger

    Add to that the broken promise on taxation and I’m more than willing to do whatever it takes to ensure that his prime ministership is “nasty, brutish, and short”.

    Since you’re quoting from a work of political philosophy, Sinclair, I respectfully suggest you be more philosophical in your approach. What is the point of bringing down Tony Abbott, if indeed you can accomplish that goal, only to have him most likely replaced by someone worse? Either reform the Liberal Party from within or, if you deem it irreformable, develop an alternative which might garner electoral support from like-minded voters and apply pressure to the LNP from without. The LDP is not, in my view, the answer, but they have shown what is possible.

  130. MemoryVault

    What is the point of bringing down Tony Abbott, if indeed you can accomplish that goal, only to have him most likely replaced by someone worse?

    Someone worse? How, Roger?
    Refer my list above. We’ve had seven years of this crap, and the only thing that has materially changed for most Cats in the last twelve months is that they are now paying even more tax than they were under the previous government.

    How does it get worse?

  131. Sinclair Davidson

    I respectfully suggest you be more philosophical in your approach.

    I am being very philosophical.

  132. stackja

    Sinclair Davidson
    #1409916, posted on August 9, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    You want the ALP back in power?

  133. Sinclair Davidson

    You want the ALP back in power?

    I am indifferent. See MemoryVaults list.

  134. incoherent rambler

    Some insecurity will hopefully make our pollies more responsive to the majority of voters.
    If politicians twig that the electorate don’t like being lied to, then that is a good thing.

  135. stackja

    Sinclair Davidson
    #1409977, posted on August 9, 2014 at 5:46 pm
    You want the ALP back in power?
    I am indifferent. See MemoryVaults list.

    Indifference towards to ALP. You trusting soul.

  136. MemoryVault

    You want the ALP back in power?

    Why not?
    Stackja, the political parties no longer even aspire to actually running the country, the bureaucrats and academics do that. Australian politics is now nothing more than a spectator sport where the masses get to root for two teams competing over who gets to sit on the Treasury benches in Parliament, and enjoy the perks that go with the job.

    Labor are quite happy with the current arrangement, and the Liberals have clearly indicated they don’t have the gonads to do anything about it, assuming they even want to.

    So again I ask, what difference does it make?

  137. Beertruk

    Ummm, you got the wrong Beer handle, Mk50. :

    The Beer Whisperer
    #1408912, posted on August 8, 2014 at 5:52 pm
    I like the frivolous complaints (in our opinion) strategy much better.

    Oh, goody! The HRC makes it so eeeeasy!

    Any techies on here know how to make a random complaints generator?

  138. Beertruk

    Ummm, you got the wrong Beer handle, Mk50. :

    The Beer Whisperer
    #1408912, posted on August 8, 2014 at 5:52 pm
    I like the frivolous complaints (in our opinion) strategy much better.

    Oh, goody! The HRC makes it so eeeeasy!

    Any techies on here know how to make a random complaints generator?

  139. Beertruk

    Bloody Nora…I’ve managed to post it twice…grrr.

  140. MemoryVault

    Some insecurity will hopefully make our pollies more responsive to the majority of voters. If politicians twig that the electorate don’t like being lied to, then that is a good thing.

    Hammer. Nail. Head, Rambler.

    Unfortunately the only thing that makes Australian politicians feel insecure is the prospect of losing their seat at the trough in Parliament, such is the level of hubris on both sides. This will be the saving grace for Australia, though regrettably, not until we have been through a decade or more of pain.

    Apart from the rusted-on faithful at both ends of the spectrum, it is patently obvious that the majority of Australians have had a gutful of the their politicians and the current party-orientated political system. Voting patterns for the senate in the last federal election clearly demonstrate this.

    It is easy to predict what is coming. Ten years or more of minority, one-term governments that rarely even get to survive their three years. Federal elections every other year, as the Australian electorate hires, and then fires politicians who lie and refuse to actually represent them.

    Eventually we will end with much the same two teams, one representing the concepts of “social justice”, (left), and one representing more conservative values (right). However, the difference will be that the people on those two teams will actually believe in what they say they represent – they will aspire to principles, not pragmatism – and voters, regardless of who they vote for, will do so in the reasonable expectation that they are going to get what they voted for.

  141. Alfonso

    The LibLab Establishment’s greatest, incredible trick has been to convince the punters there is actually a paradigm difference, beyond peripheral marketing twitches, when you vote.
    Teach your children well, there is not.

  142. As someone said up thread, the problem is not so much multi-ethnicity, but multi-culturalism; without a unifying core of values a society loses cohesiveness or, in Driftforge’s terms, it can no longer maintain its structure.

    Eventually you have civil war. Historically this occurs once more than ~30% of the population is not of the core culture. Anywhere above 10% and tensions become difficult to manage.

    Point is, the options once you have passed about 10% get very limited, and none of the options are particularly nice. Possibly the least problematic is that a portion of land is hived off as a separate nation or an autonomously ruled region.

    The other options are visible in various places around the world.

  143. Prime Minister: By giving in so easily [slight edit. Sinc] you have lost quite a few of your traditional basis, me among them. I already was disappointed in your meekly letting the ABC/SBS do their anti-Australian propaganda but this was the clincher: The muslim vote is obviously more valuable to you than mine (a conservative until now) but this will not get you brownie points from the ABC/SBS/Fairfax and it will cost you a big chunk of your traditional voter base.

  144. Roccosmum

    Adam D
    #1408902, posted on August 8, 2014 at 5:40 pm
    I like the frivolous complaints (in our opinion) strategy much better. I don’t have The time or resources to follow these up though but would be willing to make a contribution to anyone who can. Thankfully the left are horribly racist in most parts do it shouldn’t be too hard to make a nice list of targets, mike Carlton comes to mind. Perhaps we should focus our attention on potential 18c targets of the left…
    Ditto. I would write mad mail 50 different letters if complaint to the HRC but don’t have the legal grounding to ensure they accurately reflect the legislation. Could someone provide a list and a form letter to adapt in each case?

  145. Roccosmum

    Sorry. Read “I would write mad mail” as “and mail”.

  146. karabar

    Memory Vault
    Where have you been. We haven’t seen you around for quite some time. I was becoming concerned about your health and welfare. How is Thumper? We have missed you at Jo Nova and Liberty Gibbert. Please tell us all is well. Your mind is surely still as sharp as a tack.

  147. MaxwellSmart

    Sorry to drop a squib in it but 18C does NOT cover religion…. so you can rail against Muslims as long as you like and no one will get a guernsey . If you do it to Arabs (but then you start hitting all those Christians who are also Arabs) you trip over the definitions in 18C. Quadrant needs to do a simple fact check exercise before everyone gets so overwhelmingly agitated and excited.

  148. Mrs Beardsley

    I think under the RDA it has to be a public comment, not a letter to the PM. I am bitterly disappointed, and can only suggest that you vote for someone who WILL protect our basic human rights, via free speech. I hope Tim Wilson makes mincemeat out of Abbott. He effing deserves it. Please excuse me. It will be most interesting to watch this idiot Coalition vote AGAINST its own legislation if Bob Day puts it up in the Senate. Ha ha ha. Every bit of political pain much deserved.

  149. CameronH

    I made an official complaint to the Human Rights Commission about being vilified as an old white man by Christine Milne a while back. I was informed by the commission that the descriptor “white” is not a protected attribute with respect to colour so they could not do anything. Sorry but these laws are for you blokes so you can just get to the back o the bus.

  150. MemoryVault

    karabar
    #1410772, posted on August 10, 2014 at 11:22 am

    I’m alive and well thanks Karabar, although reduced to a mobility scooter to get around these days.
    The cardiologist and the other voodoo practioners say maybe another twelve months or so, but hell, they were saying that two years ago, and I’m still here, so I take it as it comes.
    Thumper is still thumping, but she doesn’t comment anymore.

    Thumper and I both tried to stay strictly neutral in the meltdown at Liberty Gibbert, but all that got us was opprobrium from both sides, because we wouldn’t take sides. So we gave it a miss.

    Jo (actually one of her mods) “disappeared” one of my comments.
    Not [snipped], not moderated, but totally disappeared. Just like they do at Septic Science.
    So I don’t comment there anymore, either.

    Jo knows the full story, but chooses not to share it with others who have queried what happened.
    Still, her website, her rules.
    By contrast, here I’ve even been called labelled a fuckwit by the Doomlord hisself.
    But never even moderated, let alone disappeared.

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