Open Forum: August 9, 2014

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  1. Delta A

    I thought those were GM (genetically modified) seeds, calli. Either way, they are a scam, imo. Even the little seed packets that the backyard gardener buys have this ‘terminator’ effect, ie, they will not self propagate next season.

    There are several seed producers now who small quantities of non-nuked produce which will self sow year after year.

  2. JC

    You might despise farmers, but some of us can make our own decisions….

    Have you been sniffing glue today, Zulu? How could you possibly even come close to suggesting that I may despise farmers?

  3. tomix

    calli at 7.50pm
    ‘Terminator’ seeds and their effects on the third world’s ability to feed itself with seed saved from one year to the next. Something completely different to GM

    “Terminator” seeds are genetically engineered. 250,000 farmer suicides in India alleged at this site:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/genetically-engineered-terminator-seeds-death-and-destruction-of-agriculture/5319797

  4. JC

    and one other thing zulu, the way you explained the potential for a lawsuit is really fucked up.

    The shitfight is contained in the legalities – I choose not to grow genetically modified canola. My neighbor may wish to go down that path. His canola seeds blow over the fence, and contaminate my non – genetically modified canola. Under the terms of the contract he signed, he is legally obliged to sue me for breaching Monsanto’s patent. (Monsanto themselves don’t get involved – they don’t need the negative publicity.) The onus is on me to PROVE I am not infringing Monsanto’s patent – and lawyers don’t work for nothing.

    So you’re saying that the Monsanto contracted GM farmer is legally obliged to sue you for patent breach if stuff came into your property.

    Bullshit.

  5. Tom

    You know the propaganda swallowed whole by the Western media that 80% of deaths in Gaza were civilians? What a load of bullshit: 80% were Hamas fighters. From MK50′s link posted earlier*:

    Once again, the analysis indicates how even those numbers provided by the Gaza Health Ministry – which are clearly problematic and biased against Israel – do not support claims that Israel is targeting civilians or indiscriminately killing them, and do support IDF claims that we tried to pinpoint the terrorists.
    •The highest demographic category of those killed is young males of fighting age (18-28) – 28% (73% x 38%)
    •Over 37% of those killed have been males of age 18-38 (i.e including others who could very well be combatants)
    •When compared to the overall population of Gaza, a disproportionately high percentage of young to middle age males have been killed
    •Despite comprising approximately 50% of the population, the percentage of women killed is 20%.
    •Despite comprising approximately 50% of the population, the percentage of children under 14 killed is approximately 14%.

    From a statistical point of view, our reader notes there is less than a 1% chance of the IDF killing people at random.

    This result is unprecedented in modern warfare, considering Hamas’ use of civilians as human shields.

    RTWT

    *Other research, such as that by the Meir Center, which lags the fighting by 3-4 weeks, is still to be posted.

  6. Oh come on

    Surprised to discover a noisy anti-Monsanto grouping amongst the Cats. Less surprised that tomix is one of them.

  7. calli

    Thanks, Delta and tomix. Memory refreshed and rebooted.

  8. JC

    “Terminator” seeds are genetically engineered. 250,000 farmer suicides in India alleged at this site:

    any evidence other than a far-left AstroTurf site you provided as a link?

  9. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    How could you possibly even come close to suggesting that I may despise farmers?

    Your own words, JC – back on a previous thread about mouse control on your parents property. Some things stick in the mind…

  10. JC

    Surprised to discover a noisy anti-Monsanto grouping amongst the Cats. Less surprised that tomix is one of them.

    I shoulda known. Tomix was who linked to the far-left astroturf boghole.

  11. More on the Russian own goal. Not their brightest move.

    You may want to think about that some more.

  12. calli

    OCO, I’m not anti Monsanto…I’ve used Roundup for 20years in my business. Noisy? Only after a couple of glasses…

  13. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “What is your goal here. You are angry and hurt, yet you come here and say things … more anger and pain for you.”

    Oh spare me, spare me!

  14. JC

    Your own words, JC – back on a previous thread about mouse control on your parents property. Some things stick in the mind

    You really have been glue sniffing, Zulu. I may have said I don’t like going to the country, but From that you’re stretching it that I don’t like farmers. That’s a bigger stretch than John Holmes’ dick.

  15. stackja

    Tom
    #1411386, posted on August 10, 2014 at 8:07 pm

    Most people have already swallowed the MSM Hamas story. The revisions may one day get a footnote in histories.

  16. Infidel Tiger

    “Terminator” seeds are genetically engineered. 250,000 farmer suicides in India alleged at this site:

    Oh my God. That stretches the bounds of credulity further than the elastic on Clive Palmer’s y-fronts.

  17. Oh come on

    Anti-GM = anti-progress, anti-the poor, anti-humanity.

    So yeah, pretty much a textbook Green/Left gig.

  18. Gab

    250,000 farmer suicides in India

    WHO data collected for 2009 shows around 250,000 death by suicide for India. Amazing they all happen to be farmers.

  19. JC

    Oh my God. That stretches the bounds of credulity further than the elastic on Clive Palmer’s y-fronts.

    I think sinc needs to go on a massive culling spree at the Cat as there are far too many whackos.

  20. Infidel Tiger

    Stats by Lancet.

  21. JC

    Indian farmer suicides… the reality.

    T

    he National Crime Records Bureau of India reported in its 2012 annual report that 135,445 people committed suicide in India, of which 13,754 were farmers (11.2%).[6] Of these, 5 out of 29 states accounted for 10,486 farmers suicides (76%) – Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Madhya Pradesh and Kerala.[1]

    In 2011, a total of 135,585 people committed suicide, of which 14,207 were farmers.[7] In 2010, 15,963 farmers in India committed suicide, while total suicides were 134,599.[8]

    Patel et al., using a representative survey sample based statistical study from 2001 and 2003, extrapolated likely suicide patterns in 2010 for India. They claim suicide deaths in India among unemployed individuals and individuals in professions other than agricultural work were, collectively, about three times more frequent than they were in agricultural laborers and landowning cultivators.[16] Even across professions in rural areas, Patel et al. find suicide among agricultural workers (including farmers) in India is not more frequent than any other profession.[17

    Tomix, stick your head in a dirty toilet for 1 1’2 hours. You can use a snorkel.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    I think we’re all getting overexcited. Sterile hybrid seeds are no different from mules (ie the equine variety). Breeders have an incentive to produce both since they both offer better performance without causing competition. Simple capitalism.

    The name ‘terminator seeds’ is cool. Probably copyright though, so don’t get your hopes up.

  23. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Gabrielle at 8:15 pm:

    ” 250,000 farmer suicides in India

    WHO data collected for 2009 shows around 250,000 death by suicide for India. Amazing they all happen to be farmers.”

    What about the 213,500 Chinese who ultimately died, west of Chengdu, as a consequence of the contaminated product dumped by Monsanto’s partner, Wuhan Food Co? That went largely unreported back in 2011.

  24. Tel

    WHO data collected for 2009 shows around 250,000 death by suicide for India. Amazing they all happen to be farmers.

    India has a lot of farmers, and suicide amongst beggars is unremarkable. They also had a drought in 2009.

    http://www.economist.com/node/14401149

  25. JC

    In fact I actually went to the country last Monday to sort crap with the parents farm. Despised every minute of it. Hate the site of cattle, sheep and crops. However I stopped by a small airport where they sell King Island lobster and took one home. Wifey made lobster ravioli from the tail (not bad for an Irishwoman) and they were fucking delicious.Unreal.

  26. pete m

    The shitfight is contained in the legalities – I choose not to grow genetically modified canola. My neighbor may wish to go down that path. His canola seeds blow over the fence, and contaminate my non – genetically modified canola. Under the terms of the contract he signed, he is legally obliged to sue me for breaching Monsanto’s patent. (Monsanto themselves don’t get involved – they don’t need the negative publicity.) The onus is on me to PROVE I am not infringing Monsanto’s patent – and lawyers don’t work for nothing.

    A private contract between grower A and supplier cannot change the Court rules to inflict a burden of proof on grower B.

    Recent Court case in WA from memory showed unintentional cross seeding is no grounds for a lawsuit.

  27. jumpnmcar

    Zulu
    JC hates farms cos he’s got more allergies than Felix Ungar.
    He doesn’t hate farmers cos they have produce commodities to trade and skim off.

  28. JC

    What about the 213,500 Chinese who ultimately died, west of Chengdu, as a consequence of the contaminated product dumped by Monsanto’s partner, Wuhan Food Co? That went largely unreported back in 2011.

    When you hear those sorts of accusations, always follow the money, which in this case means Monsanto’s stock price. Did it collapse because of the incoming missiles from the trial lawyer fraternity and government fines? No? Then it’s bullshit.

  29. tomix

    From the link:
    It is frequently argued that the high debt incurred by Indian farmers and resultant farmer suicides (over 250,000 since 1997) have largely resulted from the need to purchase costly pesticides and expensive seeds each year because they contain a ‘terminator’ gene

  30. JC

    Here’s a hint on finding shit out.

    Whenever there’s a big accusation against a firm always check out any admissions made to the SEC, which a firm must make to the SEC for any suspected/potential material impacting events. If there isn’t one, then the accusation is most likely bullshit.

    If the firm is a large capper there’s no fucking way it would avoid reporting a material event as their balls would be put to the fire and left there. They only risk is that a small capper could try to avoid reporting, but if they do their name is shit forever.

    Don’t believe leftwing bullshit.

  31. hoppers

    More on the Russian own goal. Not their brightest move.

    Are you kidding me? The Russians have made alternative arrangements.-Well documented.
    The Russians are punishing Europe (and us) because of the stupidity of the Kenyan.
    This could be the end of the evil shitfest that is the EU, and that suits me just fine.

  32. JC

    Zulu
    JC hates farms cos he’s got more allergies than Felix Ungar.
    He doesn’t hate farmers cos they have produce commodities to trade and skim off.

    Half true. I generally rarely trade commodities. in fact the only shit I trade is gold and silver in the raw.

  33. calli

    Wifey made lobster ravioli from the tail

    Did she cook it in a…..[runs].

  34. JC

    Naaa it was freshly cooked in King Island that morning and flown over the same day, Cali. Absolutely delightful finger licking meal.

  35. Gab

    What about the 213,500 Chinese who ultimately died, west of Chengdu, as a consequence of the contaminated product dumped by Monsanto’s partner, Wuhan Food Co?

    What about them?

  36. jumpnmcar

    in fact the only shit I trade is gold and silver in the raw.

    Do you trade in entities that trade in other commodities ?

  37. stackja

    gm critic globalresearch.ca also supports Hamas.

  38. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Sunny Jim:

    Yep Numbers of course I don’t give a ratz what some of the po-faced cyber fantasists write. MK50 pretended to be an authority and when exposed tried to dissemble and threaten to cover up for his lack of detailed knowledge on the issue. And still can’t answer, coz he’s a clueless fantasist. Pissweak.

    Heh. Remember old THR?

    Remember how after he’d been beaten like a rug by anyone or for that matter everyone, he’d go silent until a page rollover or two, then reverse what had occurred and perform his Unilateral Commie Victory Dance, proudly proclaiming that he’d actually triumphed?

    Looks like we have a THR clone, only not as smart.

  39. calli

    the only shit I trade is gold and silver in the raw.

    I trust you do so with the computer camera in the “off” position… :D

    Sorry, couldn’t help myself…must be the “super moon” coming up tomorrow night.

  40. JC

    Do you trade in entities that trade in other commodities ?

    Like, have I bought mining stocks, and dabbled in shit like that? Sure, but not raw commodities. Like what the fuck would I know about cattle, coffee or soy beans? Absolutely nothing.

    The edge I think I have is that I reckon I understand macro better than other shysters. When I don’t I’ll start losing and end up in the street. Until then I’ll live it up.

  41. C.L.

    Deprived of the perspective afforded Banyo-trained priests in the petunia hub of Toowoomba, courageous shepherd, Vicar of Baghdad Canon Andrew White, calls for military intervention in Iraq.

    Vicar of Baghdad: We need military action NOW.

  42. JC

    I trust you do so with the computer camera in the “off” position… :D

    Sorry, couldn’t help myself…must be the “super moon” coming up tomorrow night.

    No, no I’ve traded without any clothes on when the kids aren’t around. It’s very…. real. There you are in your birthday suit trying to edge out someone from taking someone else’s money or your own.

  43. tomix

    stackja at 8.26pm

    Your link doesn’t debunk anything. It’s a…. a desperate attempt by Monsanto and its PR machinery to delink the epidemic of farmers’ suicides in India from the company’s growing control over cotton seed supply — 95 per cent of India’s cotton seed is now controlled by Monsanto. Link:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-seeds-of-suicide-how-monsanto-destroys-farming/5329947

  44. Infidel Tiger

    Vicar Of Baghdad – jeez that would be an easy job. Lots of sermons on global warming and income disparity I’ll bet.

  45. Gab

    Vicar of Baghdad: We need military action NOW

    Gosh, Bishop Numbers won’t be happy about that!

  46. calli

    At least you can’t have your pockets picked!

  47. C.L.

    By the way, Canon White baptised a baby boy called Andrew in Baghdad. Named after him.

    ISIS cut him in half in front of his parents.

    Christians do not merely pray about this.

    They protect the threatened by force of arms.

  48. David

    G’day All,

    A busy day – attended the rally in Melbourne and then a family dinner with the whole immediate tribe so late in coming to the Cat. I see there is six pages so not going to go back over them at this time.

    Don’t know what the other Cats who said they were going to attend look like so couldn’t say hello.

    Rally was well run and peaceful.

    Kol tuv

  49. stackja

    tomix
    #1411441, posted on August 10, 2014 at 8:48 pm

    You seem very gullible.

  50. JC

    Here’s a site which I think sends money to the Kurds to help displaced people.

    http://www.usaim.org/Kurdistan

  51. .

    The terminator gene would make weed control easier and less costly.

    Farmers are free to buy compatible herbicides from competitors…or to use the herbicide resistant free method of…cultivation.

  52. nilk

    Sounds like a damn fine day out – did Nilk go?

    I didn’t make it to the same pub, Carpe. :)

    Naptime didn’t speak, either. There were some nice words from him read out. Like last weekend’s rally for the Christians in Iraq, the crowd were lovely. They were polite, tidy and there was no fuss. I roamed around taking photos as I usually do. I just don’t seem to have the time to blog properly these days. Something to do with fulltime work, I suspect.

    I was particularly taken with a young man who had a board with the flag of Kurdistan on it. He would hold it up, with a little Israeli flag in his hand. I won’t say he was brave, because I’ve not seen any upset at demos not caused by leftards or jihadis, but it still would have taken a bit of nerve.

    He did talk to people (not me). The Kurds want their own country. The Jews have Israel, his people want a real, defined, Kurdistan. It seems a bit strange to me at times that people speak of a place the other side of the world as “their” country when they live here, but as they say in the classics, “Meh.”

    At the Gaza flotilla demo a couple of years back I listened to some girl with a nasal strine talking about how she was a refugee. Her parents left Palestine in the 70s, and eventually made it here. So she was born and raised her, but she’s a refugee.

    Takes some mental gymnastics to live with that inside your head, I guess.

    There were some kids there today, although not as many as last weekend, and I wouldn’t have had any issues bringing my own along, whereas there is no way on earth that I’d take my girl to a Pallyrally.

    Anyway, speaking of which, I need to put the offspring to bed.

    Was good meeting up with Anne, Eliza D, the good Doctor and others who lurk.

  53. C.L.

    Pope Francis, by the way, is protected by an army bearing the most sophisticated side-arms and automatic rifles in the world.

  54. Infidel Tiger

    Here’s a site which I think sends money to the Kurds to help displaced people.

    Is there any site that let’s us send them Apache Gunships, Warthogs and tooled up Marines ready to slaughter ISIS dogs until they beg for mercy?

  55. hoppers

    Not sure why this is being disputed today.
    I pulled up a chair last night and sat ringside for the MK50/oldsalt barney.
    MK50 by a knockout I thought.
    oldsalt went down under the pressure of well directed questioning.
    His only repost was a rather flaccid ad-hominem, at which point MK50 countered with a further barrage of questions.
    KO

  56. Gab

    At the Gaza flotilla demo a couple of years back I listened to some girl with a nasal strine talking about how she was a refugee. Her parents left Palestine in the 70s, and eventually made it here. So she was born and raised her, but she’s a refugee.

    YeH? I’m a refugee too! My parents left Hungary during the Russian occupation and made it here. So I was born here and raised here but I’m a refugee too!

    Where do I go to collect some welfare then?

  57. tomix

    Farmers are free to buy compatible herbicides from competitors

    Not if the farmer has signed with Monsanto. Read back 50 comments to the start of the discussion.

  58. Gab

    Is there any site that let’s us send them Apache Gunships, Warthogs and tooled up Marines ready to slaughter ISIS dogs until they beg for mercy?

    I would show those ISIS pigs the same level of ‘mercy’ they have shown their victims.

  59. stackja

    C.L.
    #1411457, posted on August 10, 2014 at 8:55 pm
    Pope Francis, by the way, is protected by an army bearing the most sophisticated side-arms and automatic rifles in the world.

    And another hand guards too:

    By John Paul II’s assessment, “It was a mother’s hand that guided the bullet’s path,” and permitted that “the dying Pope. stopped on the threshold of death.” The assassination attempt had taken place on the feast of Our Lady of Fatima, and the pope had no doubt that his survival was due to the intervention of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

  60. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From JC at 8:29 pm:

    ” “What about the 213,500 Chinese who ultimately died, west of Chengdu, as a consequence of the contaminated product dumped by Monsanto’s partner, Wuhan Food Co? That went largely unreported back in 2011.”

    When you hear those sorts of accusations, always follow the money, which in this case means Monsanto’s stock price. Did it collapse because of the incoming missiles from the trial lawyer fraternity and government fines? No? Then it’s bullshit.”

    I know it’s bullship JC ‘cos I made up – Google maps for the location name and choose a figure – to demonstrate just how easy it is to concoct lies such as “250,000 Indian farmers necking themselves” to create momentum for some narrative or other.

    A couple of days ago at home we discussed evidence of birth for a cousin who died last weekend in Mrs Mick’s home village. There is none because the official record, if one exists, gets swept away in the several times a year Brisbane size floods brought during the typhoon season.

    Mrs Mick’s entry to Australia was founded on evidence of birth provided after her next eldest sister filled out a form at the local post office stating she was her sister. Not long after she crafted another under an assumed name – it is that easy.

    India is not so different and one could not substantiate such a finding.

    Some desk jockey at WHO knocks up a spreadsheet and bingo! irrefutable facts of deaths caused by global hotness, coal mining, capitalism or too much curry.

  61. Gab

    ISIS at the White House.

    So the pigs are waving black flags of ISIS jihadi at the White House in the country some “escaped” to for safety?

    Did Obama wave back?

  62. tomix

    Gab at 8.58pm
    YeH? I’m a refugee too! My parents left Hungary during the Russian occupation and made it here. So I was born here and raised here but I’m a refugee too!

    Wasn’t the situation in Hungary after the 1956 revolution one where the borders were opened and anyone who wanted to leave could leave?

  63. .

    Who made PayPal completely unusable? I can’t renew my IPA Premier membership. Time is money.

  64. .

    tomix
    #1411461, posted on August 10, 2014 at 8:58 pm
    Farmers are free to buy compatible herbicides from competitors

    Not if the farmer has signed with Monsanto. Read back 50 comments to the start of the discussion.

    Monsanto cannot stop you buying diesel, which is a herbicide in itself (also a constituent of a cocktail) for willows and blackberries.

    Not anywhere.

    Stop believing whatever loons present their vapid theories to you.

  65. .

    So you’re saying that the Monsanto contracted GM farmer is legally obliged to sue you for patent breach if stuff came into your property.

    Bullshit.

    This is legally impossible.

  66. candy

    I think President Obama is doing a great job with the current crisis, and organising the air strikes.
    I admire him for the stand he’s taken on these dreadful savages ISIS.
    He is after all the American president and should show the way.

  67. Infidel Tiger

    I think President Obama is doing a great job with the current crisis, and organising the air strikes.
    I admire him for the stand he’s taken on these dreadful savages ISIS.
    He is after all the American president and should show the way.

    You’re a super positive lady, Candy.

    I have a slightly different take. He couldn’t have handled it worse if he tried. For all intents and purposes Obama is the spiritual leader of ISIS.

  68. Gertrude

    JC trades in the raw, literally.

    Well, probably a good thing he works from home.

    giggle
    I had the same thought, too.

  69. harrys on the boat

    Is the Kenyan, sunni or shia?

  70. stackja

    A colourful outback scene.

    Police officer hit on head with bottle – Bourke
    Sunday, 10 August 2014 06:37:28 PM
    A police officer has suffered serious head wounds after a bottle was thrown at him during an incident in Bourke this morning.
    About 4.30am (Sunday 10 August 2014), police received reports of a Ford Falcon driving around Bourke without its headlights on.
    Police patrolled the area and found the Falcon parked in the rear yard of a home on Hope Street.
    While the two officers were speaking with the female owner of the car, they were confronted by a group of approximately 10 men.
    The group were allegedly intoxicated and aggressive to the officers. Police were forced to use OC spray to avoid a physical confrontation.
    The group retreated to the home’s veranda, where they started throwing objects at the officers.
    A brown bottle struck a 33-year-old senior constable in the head and shattered. The impact caused three deep lacerations, which caused him to bleed heavily.
    The pair retreated and the injured officer was driven to Bourke Hospital. He required ten stitches to repair the wound.
    Police are in the process of identifying those involved in the confrontation, but at this stage have not made any arrests.

  71. Gertrude

    David
    They had the banner “Caliphate over my dead raped body”.

    You couldn’t miss them!

  72. Gab

    As you know, I’m the CEO of SpinDoctors’R'Us and I’d hire Candy in a nanosecond.

  73. calli

    giggle
    I had the same thought, too.

    Giggling Gertie…makes sense…

    Obama’s off on summer holidays today. Martha’s Vineyard.

  74. .

    tomix
    #1411461, posted on August 10, 2014 at 8:58 pm
    Farmers are free to buy compatible herbicides from competitors

    Not if the farmer has signed with Monsanto. Read back 50 comments to the start of the discussion.

    No, no, no, no, no.

    If I want to kill off my crop after harvest because I want to become a seed pasture grower from the next season onwards (and I need to harvest a homogenous crop of ryegrass seed for example), they can stop me killing it all off with Gramoxone?

    You are spouting utter nonsense, tomix.

    They simply cannot stop you from using other herbicides in the usual manner anyway.

    Unworkable, invalid and unconscionable contracts are not new. They have no legal effect.

    My first ever mobile phone from telstra had T&C inside the shrink wrapped box – “since you opened the box, you agreed to the following terms”…no idiot judge would ever enforce that. Not even the most pompous twit who got their on political appointment.

    AWB can tell farmers what they will accept to buy, and various strains of wheat etc become obsolete – Monsanto cannot do this unless they start grain trading in a massive way.

  75. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    So you’re saying that the Monsanto contracted GM farmer is legally obliged to sue you for patent breach if stuff came into your property.

    Bullshit.

    This is legally impossible.

    I’ve read the contract.

    I’ve been to Pro Genetically modified grain meetings.

    I’ve been to Anti Genetically modified meetings.

    I think I’m a bit closer to the subject then others.

  76. Gertrude

    Well, there’s useful idiots.

    Then there’s Obama.

  77. Infidel Tiger

    Is the Kenyan, sunni or shia?

    He swings both ways.

  78. hoppers

    As you know, I’m the CEO of SpinDoctors’R’Us and I’d hire Candy in a nanosecond.

    And I’m a satisfied client.

  79. C.L.

    I can’t renew my IPA Premier membership.

    Yeah, well I spoke to someone about your support for arresting bakers.

    No Premier package for you.

  80. C.L.

    Those were great days when George H. W. Bush mobilised 700,000 US troops to the Middle East.

    A third of that number – heck, a seventh – could destory those baby-killing ISIS fags in a week.

  81. Bruce of Newcastle

    I trust you do so with the computer camera in the “off” position…

    Sorry, couldn’t help myself…must be the “super moon” coming up tomorrow night.

    First thing I did when I got the new laptop was stick a bit of paper over the camera as well as turning it off. Truly :)

    Moon tonight is marvelous. I was outside an hour ago and there was a tawny frogmouth wandering around my yard from tree to tree. Totally silent while flying. Pretty tame too, it landed on a fence and I was able to get to about a metre away with some food. Sadly it wasn’t interested (ok, Coles mince is only for aficionados).

  82. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I was outside an hour ago and there was a tawny frogmouth wandering around my yard from tree to tree.

    I’m sitting on the front verandah, listening to new born lambs, with a crystal decanter of Tobermorey not too far away.

  83. .

    C.L.
    #1411491, posted on August 10, 2014 at 9:25 pm
    I can’t renew my IPA Premier membership.

    Yeah, well I spoke to someone about your support for arresting bakers.

    No Premier package for you.

    This is bullshit and you know it. It has been consistently pointed out that this is incorrect.

    Leave smear and being a grub to the ALP.

  84. Andreas

    Those were great days when George H. W. Bush mobilised 700,000 US troops to the Middle East.

    Yes and no. Canon White has said previously e.g. here from 2007 that things were better for Christians under Saddam than before the American invasion.

  85. .

    I think I’m a bit closer to the subject then others.

    The law doesn’t change. See the equivalent of the Contracts Review Act in your state, also part IV of the Competition and Consumer Act 2010.

  86. JC

    So you’re saying that the Monsanto contracted GM farmer is legally obliged to sue you for patent breach if stuff came into your property.

    Bullshit.

    This is legally impossible.

    I’ve read the contract.

    I’ve been to Pro Genetically modified grain meetings.

    I’ve been to Anti Genetically modified meetings.

    I think I’m a bit closer to the subject then others.

    You cannot sue with the story you posted. No judge would allow the suit.

  87. Andreas

    Whoops, I meant after, not before…

  88. JC

    Candy stop being an idiot please. It’s unwholesome and borders on degeneracy.

  89. Gab

    Are they now going to ban City2Surf? That’s how it usually rolls.

  90. calli

    No. They’ll expect a certificate of fitness signed off by two doctors before they allow you to run.

  91. candy

    It’s unwholesome and borders on degeneracy

    It’s my honest formed opinion of the situation, jc.

  92. Baldrick

    More people have died running the City to Surf than by gerbil wormening.

  93. JC

    LOl Candy. I’m kidding .. well sort of. The Kenyan sent a terrible signal in that the intervention is limited. This suggests only limited effect and so IS will adjust accordingly. He should have transmitted the strongest possible signal that the US was ready to react in whatever way possible to avoid this murderous rampage.

    You can’t go to war flaccidly. You go in to beat the living shit out the opponent until they are bleeding from every orifice.

    CL reckoned 70,000 troops would do the trick. I reckon 15,000 US troops and the backing of the Kurds and the regular Iraqi army (with US battle leadership) would kick IS’s arse from here to Friday prayers.

  94. Leigh Lowe

    Deprived of the perspective afforded Banyo-trained priests in the petunia hub of Toowoomba, courageous shepherd, Vicar of Baghdad Canon Andrew White, calls for military intervention in Iraq.

    Is it just me or did others get the feeling the the Kipfler Commando might just have fabricated this morning’s sermon from Toowoomba?

  95. oldsalt

    Mk50 still waiting for you to answer the questions, if you’re not a total fraud. Very basic ones. Quicksticks mister.

  96. MsDolittle

    tawny frogmouth surprisingly I see these frequently in my backyard and I’m less than 5km from CBD Melbourne. That’s progress for you.

  97. Leigh Lowe

    Have I stumbled onto a website for chronic delusionals?
    I was looking for Catallaxy Files.

  98. Gab

    Mk50 still waiting for you to answer the questions, if you’re not a total fraud. Very basic ones. Quicksticks mister.

    Pretty sure he’s waiting for you to answer questions he posed to you in the first instance.

  99. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Leigh Lowe at 10:06 pm:

    “Is it just me or did others get the feeling the the Kipfler Commando might just have fabricated this morning’s sermon from Toowoomba?”

    I see there is a certain sameness in Sad Sack’s hallucinations and the one just posted.

  100. MsDolittle

    Chop, chop MK. “Quick sticks” sounds like Mary Poppins.

  101. Tom

    It’s not true, as his critics like to say, that the president who went to Cairo to tell the world his election heralded great new things for the Middle East now has nothing to show for it.

    When the history books are written, they will credit Barack Obama for making Richard Nixon look like Moses.

    Forty years ago this evening, in a televised address to the nation, Nixon told the American people that, effective noon the next day, “I shall resign the presidency.”

    Since then the man’s failings have been exhaustively chronicled, and on this sorry anniversary they’ve once again been dragged out for a fresh round of condemnation.

    Far less appreciated, however, is a success that showed Nixon — and the American presidency — at their best.

    This was Nixon’s rescue of Israel in 1973.

    It came after Egyptian and Syrian forces, with Soviet backing, chose the holiest night on the Jewish calendar, Yom Kippur, to launch a surprise attack on Israeli positions on the Sinai Peninsula and the Golan Heights.

    The course set by our 37th president in that crisis has a resonance today, when Israeli troops have again been battling determined enemies.

    It speaks to how a president treats a friend, especially in wartime. And at least on Israel, it underscores the profound differences between Nixon then and Obama today — almost all to the former’s advantage.

    RTWT

  102. Gertrude

    Chop chop sounds like Iraq at the moment.

  103. Oh come on

    Mk50 still waiting for you to answer the questions, if you’re not a total fraud. Very basic ones. Quicksticks mister.

    Yeah nah no one’s buying this. Absolutely no one.

  104. MsDolittle

    Gerty – sad but true

  105. Gertrude

    I think I like the moniker Giggling Gerty. GG.

    Thanks to those here who attended the march in support of Israel today. Well done.

    I’ve seen the pix.

  106. Leigh Lowe

    I see there is a certain sameness in Sad Sack’s hallucinations and the one just posted.

    Which one?

  107. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Today’s Telegraph reveals the mutual attraction of bogans …

    “Todd Carney reveals how he met Schapelle Corby and sister Mercedes in a Bali bar”

    I luv Our Toddie, he’s sooo a fun fun-buddy, pithes into his own mouth and all you know.

  108. MsDolittle

    Getty, how did you see the pics? Linky?

  109. MsDolittle

    Sorry Kae I meant Gerty.

  110. Gertrude

    I’m friends with nilk.

  111. Gertrude

    Galaxy Quest.

    Stupid movie.

    I love it.

  112. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Leigh Lowe at 10:22 pm:

    ” I see there is a certain sameness in Sad Sack’s hallucinations and the one just posted.

    Which one?”

    My special forces oath of secrecy prevents … ooops … I’ve said too much already.

    I can reveal however that Minister Morrison is in the pay of Big Kopassus. That is all.

  113. Leigh Lowe

    I luv Our Toddie, he’s sooo a fun fun-buddy, pithes into his own mouth and all you know.

    I had no idea what you were talking about so Googled it.
    Wish I hadn’t.
    I was out of circulation when that little stunt surfaced.
    I didn’t think NRL could sink lower.
    I was wrong.

  114. Leigh Lowe

    My special forces oath of secrecy prevents … ooops … I’ve said too much already.

    Ah .. That one.
    I’ve been glossing over those.
    Read the first couple and decided they were gibberish.
    Not the occasional late Saturday night gibberish many of us have been guilty of but real, rolled gold “someone left the door of the special school bus open” gibberish.
    Come to think of it …. gibberish …. spud-peeler ….. could it be?

  115. .

    Wow.

    Someone did notice something was wrong in 2001.

    http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/feds/2001/200126/200126pap.pdf

    Basically they note that the implicit credit guarantee allowed GSEs to offer unnaturally low interest rates for mortgages.

    GSEs, Mortgage Rates, and the Long-Run Effects of Mortgage
    Securitization 1
    Wayne Passmore
    Board of Governors
    Federal Reserve System
    Roger Sparks
    Mills College
    Jamie Ingpen
    Board of Governors
    Federal Reserve System
    December, 2001

    Tried to copy the abstract but this was back in the day before people realised quoting their research wasn’t plagiarism per se, but simply good for their citations…

  116. .

    Leigh:

    Free Willy Bites Shark.

  117. MsDolittle

    It was very moving to be there today, first thing they did was national anthem, Australia’s! They honoured the Christians standing with Israel (several times). Josh Frydenberg wasn’t there. There was a rep from the LDP. Rep from Labor. And so it goes.

  118. Gab

    This seems like pollie talk.

    Obama is expert in speaking from both sides of his mouth.

  119. cynical1

    Lord help us.

    From the above article.

    “A day before leaving for a two-week vacation with his family on Martha’s Vineyard”.

    That is just so fucking Obama..

  120. Leigh Lowe

    Leigh:

    Free Willy Bites Shark.

    Thank you.
    That has now cemented a quite revolting image in my head.
    I’ll give NRL players this much … when it comes to depravity, they are downright ingenious.

  121. MsDolittle

    Leigh it’s never too early to hit the piss though, eh?

  122. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Gabrielle at 10:38 pm:

    ” This seems like pollie talk.

    Obama is expert in speaking from both sides of his mouth.”

    That was very good, outstanding! I like it.

  123. Leigh Lowe

    Leigh it’s never too early to hit the piss though, eh?

    Mrs Lowe has given me the all clear to give it a try.
    Same rules as always … just don’t get any drops on the floor tiles.

  124. cynical1

    More terrible news.

    Barry just bogied the second…

  125. C.L.

    Those were great days when George H. W. Bush mobilised 700,000 US troops to the Middle East.

    Yes and no. Canon White has said previously e.g. here from 2007 that things were better for Christians under Saddam than before the American invasion.

    Wrong invasion, Andreas.

  126. MsDolittle

    Leigh – you lie, Mrs Lowe would never allow that. You would still be living in a cave without her!

  127. JC

    The Kenyan and the Lying Slapper must have been separated at birth I reckon. The slapper allowed 1200 to drown because doing the right thing meant going back to Howard’s strategy of dealing with the boaties and her pathetic ego couldn’t take the climb down.

    The Kenyan is eggsactly the same boat (no not a ref boat). He spent his campaign criticizing Bush for being a warmonger. Doing the right thing will mean eating humble crow and going back into Iraq and we all know how much he likes eating crow.

  128. MsDolittle

    C.L. Andrew did correct himself subsequently, but I agree with your premise and he is a jerk anyway.

  129. Leigh Lowe

    I can report that drinking your own piss is over-rated.
    Although, chilled with a slice of lime and some mint leaves it might just work.

  130. Leigh Lowe

    Are you suggesting that Obama is really a red-head, JC?
    That is unkind.

  131. C.L.

    How exactly is Obama different to ISIS?

    Didn’t he vote three times to allow babies born alive to be thrown into garbage bins?

    Come to that, how is ISIS different to Planned Parenthood?

    ISIS chops up children; so does Planned Parenthood.

    ISIS is about the same morally as the Democrat Party.

  132. Pedro the Ignorant

    FMD. War, deadly diseases, famine and crazed barbarians murdering at will all around the world, and that bloody empty suit POTUS goes on holiday?

  133. Leigh Lowe

    FMD. War, deadly diseases, famine and crazed barbarians murdering at will all around the world, and that bloody empty suit POTUS goes on holiday?

    Be thankful.
    Whilst he is on the golf course there is a temporary lull in major fuck-ups.

  134. twostix

    I think President Obama is doing a great job with the current crisis, and organising the air strikes.
    I admire him for the stand he’s taken on these dreadful savages ISIS.

    I honestly can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.

  135. MsDolittle

    Pedro I couldn’t agree more. Has the world gone mad? I wake up and think “oh no what next” and sadly I’m never wrong, there is always something new and deeply disturbing to read/hear/see every bloody day. No wonder I drink so much.

  136. Gab

    FMD. War, deadly diseases, famine and crazed barbarians murdering at will all around the world, and that bloody empty suit POTUS goes on holiday?

    Clint Eastwood was spot on about the Empty Chair.

  137. JC

    Yea Indian farmers are suicide at the rate of 11 billion per day due to increasing crop yields as a result of better technology.

    Two decades ago, a bad monsoon could cut India’s annual economic growth rate in half. Today, however, new seeds and advances in drip irrigation and other agricultural technologies are helping to cushion farmers and the economy. [...]

    In Haryana, farmer Ishwar Dayal says this year he planted a hybrid basmati rice known as Pusa 1509 that grows faster and needs less water than other types. “Groundwater levels in our village have plunged and monsoon rains have become increasingly unpredictable,” Mr. Dayal said.

    The new rice, and an earlier drought-resistant variety, Pusa 1121, have drastically improved farmers’ yields and incomes, Mr. Dayal and his neighbors in this grain-bowl northern state say.

  138. twostix

    I’m most interested in the entire western media’s complete disinterest in where this well armed, well trained army sprung from. Despite now finally reluctantly covering them.

    Why, it’s surely a miracle. I mean they completely took the entire US’s intelligence apparatus by surprise. And a complete coincidence that up until a minute before they invaded Iraq and started chopping heads off we were being hectored and harassed into supporting Syria’s “rebels” by Obama and his lickspittle David Cameron.

    But look! Obama announced he’ll do nothing to oppose the people he was demanding we arm and fund just months ago. All hail Obama, the saviour of Iraq!

  139. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Leigh Lowe at 10:28 pm:

    ” I luv Our Toddie, he’s sooo a fun fun-buddy, pithes into his own mouth and all you know.

    I had no idea what you were talking about so Googled it.

    I didn’t think NRL could sink lower.
    I was wrong.”

    No, no – you have taken it way out of context Leigh Lowe.

    In the modern game his team mates would vote him Players’ Player for that performance.

    If he’d jobbed the club CEO who sacked him the League heavies would have struck a special Clive Churchill Medal for Outstanding Service to the game.

    As it was he had a years’ long record of bad behaviour before that depravity and he’d been rewarded with an annual salary of $650,000 – $12,500 per week.

    He’s well on his way to being named a Rugby League Immortal, following the Juiced Up Andrew Johns precedent.

  140. Andreas

    Wrong invasion, Andreas.

    And the wrong Bush!

    My point still stands though. I supported the invasion of Iraq at the time, but in retrospect it was a futile exercise and a terrible mistake as it disturbed the delicate balance in which the Christians in Iraq precariously existed. As in Egypt and Libya – don’t remove a dictator in the Middle East lightly, you don’t know what you are going to unleash…

    That Obama does nothing now is despicable though. Just leaves and abandons them to their fate.

  141. Infidel Tiger

    60 Minutes interviewing the pedo who arranged for the Thai surrogacy.

    He says he would have had the baby aborted if he had known soon enough that the baby had Down Syndrome.

    He seems a nice man.

  142. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Infidel Tiger is the new CandyFloss.

  143. MsDolittle

    JC, medical training article is very interesting, Doc (currently blowing ZZZ’s on the couch after a big day out at the Israel peace meeting today) teaches once every week (and is paid less than the cleaners) . He thoroughly enjoys teaching and acknowledges that his students have a good grasp of anatomy, etc, but oft laments their common dog’s f?.&$. Perhaps this would be better learnt at the coal face , of course with suitable supervision.

  144. MsDolittle

    He seems a nice man.

    Wish he was mine, I’d fix him up good and proper.

  145. JC

    Anyone seen Hamas 1988 charter. Here’s it is. It’s unchanged. Reads like the Nazi party charter.

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

  146. twostix

    The Kenyan is eggsactly the same boat (no not a ref boat). He spent his campaign criticizing Bush for being a warmonger. Doing the right thing will mean eating humble crow and going back into Iraq and we all know how much he likes eating crow.

    You watch. It’ll eventually out that Obama has been funding and training these fuckers for years. Benghazi was always speculated to have been an operation for getting arms to radical islamists. In fact the entire “Arab Spring” has been leading up to it – every US allied strong man gone and now a well funded, trained and freshly armed stateless muslim army is now running amok under Obama’s approving gaze.
    Ho hum.

    There will be 0 pop-culture or media interest in any of it.

    On the other hand how about that Haliburton and the imminent BusHitler fourth reich! Fifty thousand movies and docu-dramas to choose from there.

  147. MsDolittle

    I supported the invasion of Iraq at the time,

    Sorry Andreas I confused you with another. I too supported operation Iraqi Freedom. I don’t think it was wrong at the time. Listening Greg Sheridan maybe I have changed my opinion. But what now? What is going on in ME is diabolical.

  148. MartinG

    I hope Sinc starts an open thread for Monday tonight.
    Although the day shift isn’t over yet. Peace and quite usually sets in at about 2.am. I hope Michael McLaren is on 2G tonight. Brian Wilshire needs putting out to grass, his Ideas get sillier by the day. I’m still waiting for the entire northern hemisphere to be become radio active due to Fukushima. Apparently nobody knows about this impending disaster

  149. C.L.

    Why, it’s surely a miracle. I mean they completely took the entire US’s intelligence apparatus by surprise.

    Just like Pearl Harbour, the collapse of the USSR, 9/11 and the Boston Bombing.

    I know little old ladies having a punt from the Saturday race guide – based on the horses having nice names – who have a better record of predicting things than America’s massive ‘intelligence’ community.

  150. Infidel Tiger

    Why, it’s surely a miracle. I mean they completely took the entire US’s intelligence apparatus by surprise.

    If only they’d had the metadata.

  151. Sinclair Davidson

    Monday thread in 23 minutes or so.

  152. MsDolittle

    I know little old ladies having a punt from the Saturday race guide – based on the horses having nice names – who have a better record of predicting things than America’s massive ‘intelligence’ community.</em

    Indeed, but what is the alternative?

  153. MartinG

    I hope Sinc starts an open thread for Monday tonight.
    Although the day shift isn’t over yet. Peace and quite usually sets in at about 2.am. I hope Michael McLaren is on 2BG . Brian Wilshire needs putting out to grass, his Ideas get sillier by the day. I’m still waiting for the entire northern hemisphere to be become radio active due to Fukushima. Apparently nobody knows about this impending disaster because the authorities are covering it up.
    I wonder what happened at the pro Israeli protest by Helen.

  154. MsDolittle

    Nice avatar Sinc, you’ve never looked better. When is your next audition for Not so plain packaging?

  155. twostix

    Just like Pearl Harbour, the collapse of the USSR, 9/11 and the Boston Bombing.

    And ASIO brought them out here to lecture us that it was imperative that the Commonwealth government snoop on all of our online communications.

    Meanwhile Edward Snowden laughs in their face after stealing all of their communications.

    We’re in the best of hands.

  156. By the way, Canon White baptised a baby boy called Andrew in Baghdad. Named after him.

    ISIS cut him in half in front of his parents.

    This is unbearable.

  157. MsDolittle

    Mother of god, DB, what can be done? How can we make it stop?

  158. Notafan

    How about France or the UK helping the people of Iraq? The both have history with the region.
    The Canon of Bagdad is English. I did read the Brits were dropping supplies on Sinjar that that is a temporary measure. Those poor people have to escape and Erbil cannot spent itself on defending from IS.
    They need to be trounced or we will have millions in trouble.
    Farmers cannot farm people can’t work etc etc.
    By the way is someone, someone’g glove puppet? A reference to jelly beans intrigued me.

  159. JC

    By the way, Canon White baptised a baby boy called Andrew in Baghdad. Named after him.

    ISIS cut him in half in front of his parents.

    This is unbearable.

    Yep, sure is unbearable. But there’s something I don’t quite understand. The murdering scum have said they will won’t kill people if they convert immediately. If that’s true then why aren’t they “converting”. FFS convert then get the hell out when you’ve got a chance. I’d convert in a flash and take off when the coast is clear.

  160. JC

    I tend to think that kid was killed like that because the parents refused to convert. Well okay that’s great, keep the faith in the face of death and getting your kid cut in half by a crazed lunatic. That’s courageous and dreadfully silly. Convert over, people. No one will think less of you. Not even God.

  161. Oh come on

    JC: maybe because they’re aware of what more “moderate” Muslims are commanded to do and are willing to do to apostates? Perhaps they see it as a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation – they’re going to be killed anyway, so they may as well stay true to their faith.

  162. Infidel Tiger

    JC they are hacking heads off other muzzies they believe aren’t pious enough.

    There is no conversion option.

  163. C.L.

    Nec quicquam tamen proficit exquisitior quaeque crudelitas vestra: illecebra est magis sectae. Plures efficimur, quoties metimur a vobis: semen est sanguis Christianorum.

    Nor does your cruelty, however exquisite, avail you; it is rather a temptation to us. The oftener we are mown down by you, the more in number we grow; the blood of Christians is seed.

    - Tertullian (c. 160-c.220 AD)

  164. JC

    I don’t get what you’re saying OCO.

    I read somewhere that those who convert are being taught to pray and study the Koran. I don’t think it’s that hard to pretend, no? Just fucking pretend you’re turning muzzo.

    Now if you’re really sneaky, you would have read up on Muzzdom and pretended you’re a Allah abiding sunni by the time the thugs showed up.

  165. Notafan

    JC as I understand it if you convert you can’t convert back as the sentence in Islam for apostasy is death which is the case for that lady in Sudan. The koran normally allows a choice convert pay or die but it is at the whim of the person making the offer.
    Sometimes they kill kids to get people to say where their money is. The Canon said one lady lost her finger because she couldn’t get her ring off so the IS guy helped her out. I’m on give us all your money,this will encourage you.
    These guys are after money, cars, every bit of plunder they can lay their hands on.

  166. Oh come on

    But I have no idea. Perhaps the convert part of the “convert or die” ultimatum isn’t the obvious choice it would appear to be when put into practice. It’s an ultimatum delivered by people who are willing to cut babies in half, after all.

  167. I tend to think that kid was killed like that because the parents refused to convert. Well okay that’s great, keep the faith in the face of death and getting your kid cut in half by a crazed lunatic.

    The boy at the time was 5 years old. Reading the article it sounds as if he was simply cut in half without any threats made to the parents. And as IT says, the are even killing not only Shia, but Sunnis that they think are not pious enough.

  168. Nic

    He says he would have had the baby aborted if he had known soon enough that the baby had Down Syndrome

    Lucky he didn’t smirk at an off colour joke, then he’d really be in trouble

  169. JC

    JC they are hacking heads off other muzzies they believe aren’t pious enough.

    Well pretend more … what is it… piety. Shoot a dog in front of them or something ( or get Ari to kill one). Show up pretending you’re coming out of the hardline mosque, yelling death to infidels or some shit.

    There is no conversion option.

    Are you sure, as I thought there was a conversation option.

  170. Fisky

    Now if you’re really sneaky, you would have read up on Muzzdom and pretended you’re a Allah abiding sunni by the time the thugs showed up.

    I would convert and then announce myself the Mahdi. Everyone else is an infidel!

  171. Oh come on

    JC: the punishment for apostasy is death.

  172. Infidel Tiger

    These aren’t rational actors we are dealing with. There will be no negotiated peace. We either kill them until there are no more to kill or they kill us.

    It’s not that hard to understand, but this next hole is a tricky dog leg left with a bunker placed right in my 3 iron range. Damn it, Michelle is making me spend 2 weeks in Kennebunkport and Reggie is back in Washington…

  173. Gab

    He says he would have had the baby aborted if he had known soon enough that the baby had Down Syndrome

    Lucky he didn’t smirk at an off colour joke, then he’d really be in trouble

    Or look at his watch when a female shebat was yammering on.

  174. Infidel Tiger

    I would convert and then announce myself the Mahdi. Everyone else is an infidel!

    “I am the 12th Imam! Bacon, beer and bitches for everyone!”

  175. JC

    JC: the punishment for apostasy is death.

    And so it is for being Christian, devil worshiping or moderate muzzu. The choices aren’t good. It’s just a matter of trying to stay alive.

  176. Gab

    There is no conversion option.

    No only that, the capricious nature of those murderous isis pigs means there is no guarantee that if you covert under force they will be satisfied. There is no reasoning with them. And to think, some of these pigs will be returning to Australia.

  177. JC

    “I am the 12th Imam! Bacon, beer and bitches for everyone!”

    That would either get a laugh for being a sunni muzzo comedian or a beheading, IT.

  178. JC

    And to think, some of these pigs will be returning to Australia.

    Not with General Morrison waiting at the airport they won’t.

  179. Infidel Tiger

    I’m the 12th Imam. If I say bacon, beer and bitches are now legit, then they are legit.

    I’ve been stuck down a well for a millennia. Show me some freaking respect.

  180. Fisky

    Wait a minute, isn’t the 12th Imam a Shiite? I don’t think that’s going to help you with ISIS.

  181. Oh come on

    My point was that the Christians may have calculated that they’re either going to be killed now by these fanatics for not converting, or killed by less fanatical Muslims for being apostates at some point in the future when ISIS is defeated. Their conversion to Islam would not be any less legitimate in the eyes of many “mainstream” Muslims, regardless of the fact that it was won on pain of death.

  182. JC

    Hey I wonder if the Left will be screaming to free Achmed, or Mohamed the terrorist like they were for that fat idiot, David Hicks. if one of these fuckers are caught sneaking back here and gets thrown in jail.

    I’d wager that if they’re caught, they will be found at Centrelink arguing for back pay.

  183. Infidel Tiger

    Wait a minute, isn’t the 12th Imam a Shiite? I don’t think that’s going to help you with ISIS.

    To the untrained eye, but I’m pretty sure I have superpowers.

  184. JC

    Wait a minute, isn’t the 12th Imam a Shiite? I don’t think that’s going to help you with ISIS.

    Yea, I wouldn’t mention the 12 imam to those loons if you value your head sitting above your neck.

  185. JC

    Their conversion to Islam would not be any less legitimate in the eyes of many “mainstream” Muslims, regardless of the fact that it was won on pain of death.

    Yea I know what you mean, but I would be taking a rough guess that there wouldn’t be many Sunnis hanging around the Christian, Shia and the devil worshipers enclaves if this scum gets beaten to a pulp.

  186. Fisky

    You can see why the Shia came up with their “Taqqiya” doctrine given the nutcases that pop up every century in that region.

  187. Oh come on

    Yea I know what you mean, but I would be taking a rough guess that there wouldn’t be many Sunnis hanging around the Christian, Shia and the devil worshipers enclaves if this scum gets beaten to a pulp.

    That seems logical. I don’t live there, so I don’t know what would motivate Christians to die instead of convert. I guess a small number of them would be crazybrave idiots willing to sacrifice themselves and their children for their religion. However, I reckon most would have perfectly rational reasons for making the choice they did – reasons that wouldn’t be apparent to us viewing events from afar.

  188. devil worshipers

    That, of course, is the Mahometan calumniation of those generally peaceful people.

  189. Ros

    Re another of discussions on previous thread.

    The Economist, March 13 2014

    “There is only one trouble: there has been no spate of suicides. Ian Plewis, of the University of Manchester, in Britian, has looked at suicide rates in the cotton-growing areas of India, which are usually regarded as among the worst-hit. He finds that the suicide rate among male farmers in the nine main cotton-growing states was just under 30 per 100,000 in 2011. That is about the same as suicide rates among farmers in France and Scotland, so Indian farmers do not seem unusual. The rates are slightly lower than among men in those states who do not work on farms, so Indian cotton farmers are slightly less likely to commit suicide than their non-farming neighbours. Nor is there any sign that suicides rates changed significantly after 2002, when GM cotton began to be introduced. Overall, Indian suicide rates are not especially high. Officially, they are just over 10 per 100,000, slightly more than Germany and less than half China’s, though of course, the official figures might be underestimates.”

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