Why the Victorian Liberals deserve to lose office

MYKI

I’m sure there are many reasons why they’re going to lose – but the MYKI stuff-up will be high on the list.

Before the comments thread fills up with with people telling me that MYKI was an initiative of the previous ALP government I know that. So what? You fix it, or you own it.

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71 Responses to Why the Victorian Liberals deserve to lose office

  1. Rabz

    Why the Victorian Liberals deserve to lose office

    FFS, don’t get me started – and I don’t even live in the god forsaken hell hole.

  2. mareeS

    I can’t buy a ticket on a tram either, because I reside in NSW. Buses or trains, if one is lucky enough to live near a line.

  3. .

    Why don’t they just outsource to Opal and put some vending facilities in machines?

  4. areff

    some of the things Napthine and Co., are funding with the arts dollar:

    Nathan Bird KENSINGTON $15,000
    To record and release an album contemporary Aboriginal Australian hip hop music

    Jen Breach MOONEE PONDS $12,000
    For the illustration of a graphic novel set in the year 2256, in a crumbling, post-apocalyptic Melbourne.

    Clunes Neighbourhood House on behalf of Rebecca Russell CLUNES $15,060
    For an outdoor performance incorporating dance, puppetry, projection, live music and a stage of native grasses that explores grasslands as a metaphor for fragile connection to place

    Kate Whitfield THORNBURY $10,000
    For the creative development of a historical fantasy novel for middle-grade readers (ages nine to thirteen), that explores the theme of reconciliation between First Australians and European Australians.

    The full list of the latest luvvie snouts to get a good greasing is here:

    http://www.arts.vic.gov.au/Arts_in_Victoria/News/2014/VicArts_Grants_-_latest_recipients_announced

    Oh, and did I mention Victorian taxpayers also chipped in $50,000 to support Jef Sparrow’s Overland magazine?

    What’s the point of having an allegedly conservative state government that is not in any way conservative and also supports its sworn enemies?

  5. jupes

    State governments rely on fines for their budget bottom line. IIRC 30% the NSW government’s budget comes from fines.

    In other words, they need citizens to break their stupid laws or they cannot operate.

    “Safety” cameras my arse.

  6. Craig Mc

    The previous mob blew $1B on Myki. Then there’s the water debacles. $6B for a white elephant desalt plant. North-South pipeline. They’re unrepentant and unreconstructed judging by the union filth still leading it.

    The coalition didn’t cancel the carpet-baggers’ projects like I wanted, but at least they’re not promising to make more boondoggles. So…

    Why the Victorian ALP deserves to stay out of office

    Lesser of two evils.

  7. mareeS

    areff,

    There’s a parasite in cats that mutes into the human brain, which is why cats let you live in their house, and why you open the door when they meow to be let in or out, and why you feed them when they meow, and why you scratch their chin or their neck when they meow, and why you say “meow” when they say “meow.”

    The left and Islam have somehow gotten the genetic code for cats.

  8. Steve

    Like the disastrous desal plant the Liberals were stuck with Myki. Both contracts not feasible to withdraw from financially. (Nicely played Labor- NOT!) All they could do was deal with the lousy set up. Withdrawal was out of the question.

  9. Sinclair Davidson

    Steve – that’s a poor excuse. If you can’t break the contract, you have a public inquiry into the awarding of the contract and the contract details. You create a stink and then hang it on the previous government.

  10. I still can’t see why we can’t bundle all of the trade union debt and flog it off on the global market, interest and principle payable when they get voted back in.

  11. Quantum

    Their response to the now-abandoned Section 18C changes must surely rank highly, also.

  12. DaveA

    I don’t take them much, but aren’t ticket machines on trams? I’m sure there are. This is bullshit.

  13. C.L.

    Before the comments thread fills up with with people telling me that MYKI was an initiative of the previous ALP government I know that.

    Dammit, I would have said that … if I knew what an MYKI is.

  14. C.L.

    On the broader thesis, the Victorian Liberal Party fully owns and supports jailing doctors who don’t refer women on for abortions too. They are despicable scum.

  15. Georgio

    I use Myki a lot,it is OK if you think ahead you can recharge at rail stations.post offices 7/11 stores,on buses and there are machines around if you look. I am no alp voter .I think they are useless but to be fair Myki is a complicated systen,and naturally you will get glitches in the early stages.

  16. Andrew

    If your MYKI becomes defective then you have to wait nearly two weeks for the money to be properly transferred on to your new card. The actual readers of the MYKI have made me miss two trains in the past week because they are that hopeless.

  17. Rohan

    They’re bloody hopeless alright. As they couldn’t even be bothered to field a candidate in last years Lyndhurst by election (when Tim Holding retired). There wasn’t any other candidates except for the usual ALP, Green, Sex Party and unknown independents, so I voted donkey for the first time in my life (yeah I could have voted Family First but didn’t).

    The frustrating thing is that the donkey vote was higher than the green vote. Had they actually gotten off their lazy rear ends and campaigned hard they could have picked up the seat and in Labor heartland. But they didn’t so they deserve their fate.

    Looks like that ain’t going to change with the upcoming state election, so my vote isn’t changing from Eeeyore either.

  18. Ant

    Sinc, MY MAN!!!

    You said it right there.

    Yes, the ALP under Bracks/Brumby were an unmitigated disaster; great at PR media management (a compliant media helps) but stunk in every other frickin crevice they stuck their stinking nose up.

    Then along come the Libs and what do we get? Almost 4 years of trying to be nice and not upset too many people – no matter the level of the Labor/union degeneracy they were simply terrified of bad press.

    The Desal Plant: A colossal 6 billion dollar union slush fund paid for by taxpayers and built on a monstrous lie at the height of a drought when the ALP ran their AGW horror stories to an idiotic public.

    The lease back deal shovels taxpayer cash into big union super funds to the tune of between $26 – $29 billion over nearly 30 years.

    I like to tell friends that my kids will be approaching my age and they’ll still be paying it off.

    Yet the Libs sit on their hands in the face of this catastophe. They should be in our faces day in and day out pounding our brains over who exactly is responsible for it and, when some DH on ABC radio asks “why won’t you fund this or fund that”, they should simply respond “hey, idiot, with the money we’re pissing away on the desal lease every year we could build a new major hospital – every year – for nearly 30 years!”

    The desal plant is a crime. The Libs have done NOTHING about it.

  19. dan

    I don’t take them much, but aren’t ticket machines on trams? I’m sure there are. This is bullshit.

    Uh, no there aren’t. And no way to get off a plane if you are a tourist and get on public transport immediately. You need to track down some sort of visitor pack.

  20. DaveA

    Yes I’m wrong, as of some date prior

    Coin-only ticket machines previously on board each tram have now been removed from the entire tram network, along with the validators. Seats were installed in place of the ticketing machines.

    So you validate at the stop now?

  21. bemused

    ‘Steve – that’s a poor excuse. If you can’t break the contract, you have a public inquiry into the awarding of the contract and the contract details. You create a stink and then hang it on the previous government.’

    What utter rubbish, with the Left media (and apparently Sinclair) defending Labor to the hilt, no amount of effort to air Labor’s dirty laundry will gain any foothold. Who listens to the economy destroying crap, debt and useless departments that Federal Labor left as an albatross around the LNP’s neck? All that people hear is what the MSM want them to hear, and none of that is the truth.

  22. .

    The lease back deal shovels taxpayer cash into big union super funds to the tune of between $26 – $29 billion over nearly 30 years.

    My god. This is appalling.

  23. The Hunted Mind

    There’s a parasite in cats that mutes into the human brain

    Toxoplasmosis. Kids get it from cat faeces, usually when playing in sand pits – I’m surprised nanny hasn’t banned them.

  24. .

    .
    #1423538, posted on August 20, 2014 at 11:51 am
    Why don’t they just outsource to Opal and put some vending facilities in machines?

    Seriously. It can’t be that hard, can it?

    Failing that, pay evaded fares within a couple of weeks to avoid a fare evasion fine. Make it available on Credit Card and BPay at the newsagent or AusPost or the bank.

  25. The Hunted Mind

    Oh, and did I mention Victorian taxpayers also chipped in $50,000 to support Jef Sparrow’s Overland magazine?

    Didn’t Labor, albeit federal, stop funding Quadrant magazine? Yet once in power a Liberal government doesn’t return the favour? They’re too soft. It’s hard to respect them.

  26. dianeh

    Toxoplasmosis

    Not quite. When you get Toxoplasmosis (cat scratch disease) you get that sick you don’t want to scratch the cat under the chin, you want to kill the bloody thing.

  27. JohnA

    . #1423538, posted on August 20, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Why don’t they just outsource to Opal and put some vending facilities in machines?

    Dot, that’s almost what the ALP government did.

    They bought the rights to modify Opal, then put over it the unique Victorian layer (time-based ticketing zones) THEN engaged contractors but they failed to supervise the contract terms.

    They got sub-standard design (network sucks) and sub-standard (read cheapest) equipment that has woeful response times.

    The JA household has a keen interest in trains and computers. We often debate this issue, and my two eldest sons (one a primary geek, the other a transport gunzel [look it up] and secondary geek) could re-design the system from outside knowledge only.

    IBM Project management principles:
    Qu: How does a project get to be 6 years late and $2Bn over budget?
    Ans: 1 day and $100 at a time.

  28. Fibro

    Berejiklian in NSW inherited the same issue, but has turned it around to be one of the (very few) achievements of the Liberal Government.

    I had a source who was involved with this and the first meeting between EDI and Gladys was about 3 sentences long: Here’s your date, here’s your budget, fix it or F Off.

  29. dianeh

    The lease back deal shovels taxpayer cash into big union super funds to the tune of between $26 – $29 billion over nearly 30 years.

    How has this not been raised at the RC into unions? Labor govt funnelling funds into union backed organisations. Needs looking at.

  30. On the broader thesis, the Victorian Liberal Party fully owns and supports jailing doctors who don’t refer women on for abortions too.

    That’s because they would get hell for it on QandA, and the audience of that show represents mainstream Australia.

  31. Ant

    I’m not saying that the Libs have to be thrown out.

    That would be nuts. But only because the other mob are so bad that to actively seek to reinstate them into power is akin to being criminally stupid.

    No, the Libs need a mighty rocket lit under their arse and they need to start doing their job, the way a parent needs to do their job just because they’re the parent and if they weren’t around the toddlers would burn the house down.

  32. .

    John A – that is a litany of a balls up.

    Project management by way of a blank cheque.

  33. Kids get it from cat faeces, usually when playing in sand pits – I’m surprised nanny hasn’t banned them.

    THM, kids, catshit or sand pits?
    Enquiring minds want to know….

  34. Craig Mc

    How has this not been raised at the RC into unions? Labor govt funnelling funds into union backed organisations. Needs looking at.

    It’s about to be, unless Thiess blocks the whistle-blower from testifying.

  35. Paul

    “some of the things Napthine and Co., are funding with the arts dollar:”

    areff you have reminded me of the infamous heavily subsidized Clown School for wimmin in the Latrobe Valley back in the bankrupt Cain/Kirner days.

  36. Ant

    Didn’t John and Joan also find cash to dole out to some lesbian surf riders association as well?

    Can’t quite remember but it was such a freakshow that nothing was out of bounds.

  37. Steve Shailer park

    So your solution is vote for Labor so they can do it all again. Cheap shots at a Liberal Gov that even on there worst day is ten times better than Labor. Remind me again which corrupt union the labor leader belongs too.

  38. Bh

    Myki! Don’t talk to me of myki. I put $30 on a card the other week, well over 24 hours before my planned trip, as per the myki website. When I rock up at the station, money still not on my card, so I had to pay again. It is still not on my card, 2 weeks and 2 trips later.

    Clever way to rip people off. I don’t expect to take another trip in the foreseeable. I’m so furious, I won’t forget that myki owes me. But many people will. Who cops those forgotten monies? Sounds very Union-like, if I may say so.

  39. chrisl

    First world problems ! But do carry on! How many were beheaded today?

  40. Leigh Lowe

    Sounds like Napthine needs to go because Sinc got booked on the tram.

  41. Greg James

    Yep, long suffering Victorian conservative voter here, and even I believe they deserve to lose.

    [Though, for the life of me, I cannot see how the state could possibly be any better off with the labor alternative on offer.]

  42. Rossinih

    The choice is either labor or liberal , who else would have the numbers to govern? So you are suggesting a return to the union lead other people’s money labor party!

  43. .

    chrisl
    #1424009, posted on August 20, 2014 at 5:44 pm
    First world problems ! But do carry on! How many were beheaded today?

    We don’t get to vote in the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. I’m not sure anyone does.

  44. Squirrel

    “Can’t buy ticket on tram – can pay fine instantly by credit card or EFTPOS” – if true (viewing this from a safe distance) that looks like a distasteful mixture of incompetence and out-of-control bureaucracy (much the same thing, I suppose) and worthy of a very big boot up the political bum……however, do Victorians really want/deserve another 4(!)-8(!!)-12(!!!) years of State Labor, so soon???

  45. ChrisPer

    The problem with Australian politics is that hung Parliaments involve too few lamp-posts.

  46. Tel

    Before the comments thread fills up with with people telling me that MYKI was an initiative of the previous ALP government I know that. So what? You fix it, or you own it.

    Or you unceremoniously trashcan it, promptly.

  47. Gavin R Putland

    Careful, Sinc: If you want a more user-friendly public transport system, you’ll have to vote for a Green or a Georgist.

  48. goatjam

    “Victorians really want/deserve another 4(!)-8(!!)-12(!!!) years of State Labor, so soon???”

    Just as Tasmania is the natural home of the Greens, The Peoples Republic of Victoria is the natural home of the Labor Party.

    Unfortunately, the Liberals no longer have a home.

  49. Tel

    Why don’t they just outsource to Opal and put some vending facilities in machines?

    Opal in NSW has its share of problems. Most importantly it was never justified in the first place, there never was a problem with the paper tickets, they worked well for years, the vending machines were in good order, the gates operated quickly, the tickets were simple and easy to use, the whole system just operated smoothly and cleanly.

    Opal is annoying in a bunch of ways. You can’t just turn up and buy an opal card at a train station. Actually you can’t buy one anywhere around a train station either, you have to order online, which is a pain in the bum for tourists and occasional travellers. Once upon a time, Sydney was enthusiastic about the tourist dollar, but not anymore.

    Then there’s the fact that Opal cards are slow, and users often have to scan multiple times, so at peak hour on busy stations there are huge crowds around the gates where before Opal there was no such thing. The gates are playing up a lot more with paper tickets now as well, so somehow the system is getting (always happens with a central transaction handling design).

    From looking at what other people are using, I’d say uptake is lagging because the customers are just not really interested, so now the government wants to force people to use it by taking away the old tickets, and that’s just dumb so now everyone will be pissed off with it.

    The one thing that just might be useful would be if you could order a corporate card (so travel expenses automatically get handled by the accounts department) but sadly the one feature that would be useful, they don’t support it.

  50. Tel

    Oh yeah, by the way, there ARE NO OPAL VENDING MACHINES, even at a time when they are attempting to phase out all alternatives, you cannot buy a card from a vending machine, and you cannot top up the balance at a vending machine either.

    There’s a saying, never give the customer less than he had before.

  51. .

    Tel – it is a public monopsony. Fuck ups are a feature, not a bug.

  52. Amused

    Steve – that’s a poor excuse. If you can’t break the contract, you have a public inquiry into the awarding of the contract and the contract details. You create a stink and then hang it on the previous government.

    That approach didn’t work at all in Queensland with the health payroll debacle.

    The media is more worried about the liberties of known fucking criminals.

  53. Pete of Perth

    No problem with smartrider cards in the state of excitement.

  54. Pete of Perth

    Ant, we could get some of that desal money “back” from the union funds by getting rid of the MRET – causing the collapse of the “renewables” – causing a devalaution of the union funds heavily invested in those schemes.

  55. Pete of Perth

    devaluation – gin n tonix kicking in.

  56. James Hargrave

    Quite beyond the competence of Victorian politicians of any party to buy something that works from elsewhere because Melbourne is so different (oh no it isn’t). But to take a dumb smart card and make it even dumber (no one-day options for the very occasional public transport user) requires the combined talents of a lazy estate agent and a chap who looks as though it was more than his arm that he has shoved up a cow’s arse. Very good news for taxi drivers though.

  57. red breast

    Here’s a thought outside of the box; the costs of automating, collection, policing, tracking, accounting, auditing plus administration and bank fees must come very close to the total amount of fares collected. It will never be cost recovery let alone profitable. Soooooo – why not give the public transport back to the public? Make it free! It’s subsidised now so only a few dollars more and no hassles. Even an election winner.

  58. Rich

    Berejiklian in NSW inherited the same issue, but has turned it around to be one of the (very few) achievements of the Liberal Government.

    I had a source who was involved with this and the first meeting between EDI and Gladys was about 3 sentences long: Here’s your date, here’s your budget, fix it or F Off.

    They got Opal working, and it’s fair to say it’s a lot better than Myki, but the problems with the readers, the gates, the multi-modal penalty and default fares all demonstrate a level of ineptitude considering places like London introduced this system over a decade ago – I never had to check my balance every day when I lived there

    Brownie points for doing it (let’s face it, Labor would never do it due to the unions) but they’ve basically given us shit Oyster

  59. Gavin R Putland

    Your Honour, I submit that because the State obviously doesn’t want us to buy tickets, it doesn’t have standing to prosecute us for not having them.

  60. The choice is either labor or liberal , who else would have the numbers to govern? So you are suggesting a return to the union lead other people’s money labor party!

    God, I get tired of Liberal spruikers deflecting all criticism with this.
    “We’re not as bad as Labor. ”
    Being ‘not as bad as Labor’ is not a winning strategy. How about being, you know, good?

  61. Rossini

    AP to answer my question who else but liberals?

  62. A H

    Agree, both Liberal and Labor are beyond horrible. PT should not be free, it should be free enterprise. Start by completely deregulating taxis and removing regulation from services like uber. Then allow the same deregulation for buses, so that anyone who can buy or lease a bus can run a bus route. Once that has rolled through, remove all subsidy from trams and trains and let the operators figure out how they can make it profitable.

    The East West link, while no where near the boondoggle of the desal plant and myki (and all the other crap), shouldn’t have government support either. Governments should really not be spending on any infrastructure.

  63. Rich

    Agree, both Liberal and Labor are beyond horrible. PT should not be free, it should be free enterprise. Start

    by completely deregulating taxis and removing regulation from services like uber. Then allow the same deregulation for buses, so that anyone who can buy or lease a bus can run a bus route. Once that has rolled through, remove all subsidy from trams and trains and let the operators figure out how they can make it profitable.

    They privatised trains in the UK

    They were shit when public, and are still shit now, only they cost more, and vary in their degree of shitness

  64. rickw

    I have public transport cards in my wallet from London, Dubai, Singapore, Bangkok.

    Myki is the biggest piece of SHIT I have ever had the displeasure of using. Even when it is working well, the read time is glacial causing massive queues at any entry or exit point.

  65. Docket62

    Increase rates. Tax unions. Add a small fee to every tourist who enters the country. Make public transport free.

    You’d get three terms in office for that, and no one would remember Myki or any other fuckup.

  66. Red Breast, I suggested that about a year ago – and about five years ago on another site – but yes, it bears repeating loudly.

  67. Andrew

    Berejiklian in NSW inherited the same issue, but has turned it around to be one of the (very few) achievements of the Liberal Government.

    I had a source who was involved with this and the first meeting between EDI and Gladys was about 3 sentences long: Here’s your date, here’s your budget, fix it or F Off.

    2 for Gladys – the Opal card AND the Millennium trains (“millennium” redefined as “2013″ by NSW ALP and the Macquarie Dictionary).

    Are we grateful? No – every day there is a new meme slagging off Gladys as the most incompetent, slashing, austerity-addicted out of touch bureaucrat in history because, um, there’s new uniforms and one rail guard once got bitch-slapped by a wino on Central station. Which wouldn’t have happened if Gladys spent $50m p.a. more on coppers.

    If NSW LNP lose the next state election, it will be BECAUSE of Gladys. That’s how powerful the leftist filth is. The unions own the country, supported by the ALP Twitterati brigade of hate-speech, and much of the MSM has VOLUNTARILY adopted a Stalinist model for the meeja. The sheeple baa for 4x more expensive power, and loathe govt for budget restraint and keeping promises.

    So I don’t give a fuck about difficulties operating a green card in a 1km radius of RMIT (my Myki actually worked properly last visit!) – the entire country is willingly adopting the Spanish model and cheering for our doom, while calling for terrorists to be released into society from Guantanamo. So now I have to find another country.

  68. .

    Gladys must be encouraged to privatise and get moochers off the payroll.

    She has to put in the EBA that all staff have a SMSF as well.

  69. Littledozer

    Yes the Vic libs are challenged by politics 101 as illustrated above. I noticed they erected a billboard (Heidelberg Rd) claiming to fix traffic congestion so you can get home from work earlier 400m from what was announced on Ch 9 later that week as Melbourne’s worst traffic congestion site the Chandler Hwy. They have no plans to build a second bridge to help the traffic flow (labor does) when down the road they are building East West. Can’t do both in the same project?

  70. mark

    You can buy a Myki at plenty of places. Train stations , on buses, newsagents etc etc.
    You can have them automatically topped up from your bank account. The people that complain about it are ones that are too lazy to do it themselves. Just need to swipe on then swipe off and you will be charged for the travel you have just used – not hard to fathom.
    BTW – you can purchase day passes if you don’t want to get the Myki card. It is a simple system but many seem to think that it doesn’t apply to them.

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