If the Scots vote “Yes”

What would happen to the the Union Jack?

Next month, the voters of Scotland will go to the polls to decide whether or not they want to declare their independence from the United Kingdom.

This affects Australia because it has sparked a discussion about the UK flag — the Union Jack — and whether it needs to be changed if Scotland votes to secede.

I thought I would investigate the consequences if the Scot did vote “Yes” – what would happen to the Australian flag?

Scot-Aus flag

Given that the English have made no contribution to human civilisation we’d have to do with those who had. I’m not convinced, however, that it would catch on.

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119 Responses to If the Scots vote “Yes”

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    It’d be fun having a flag which contains another flag for a nation which no longer existed.

    Perhaps we can plagiarise the Gadsden flag in green and yellow, so our sporting uniforms finally match the flag. Motto “Don’t tread on Oz”

  2. Clam Chowdah

    Get your hand off your cock, Sinc.

  3. Louis Hissink

    The Wikipedia entry neglects the role of James Hutton, Scottish ‘geologist’. This could ‘jack’ me off a bit.

    (adopts a Neddy Seagoon-like huuuuuhmm Ahem).

  4. Token

    What a way to tell the world that this country aspires to model itself after that mendacious republic of welfare dependents.

    We may as well change the constitution to limit the positions in cabinet to Taswegians & South Jerrymanderers.

  5. Clam Chowdah

    Has there ever been a bigger group of jingoistic ingrates and nationalist bores than the Scots? Mouthey bastards who all emigrated to the commercial and intellectual magnet that is London because they could never amount to anything in their homeland.

    Of course, I don’t mean to include you in this mendacious assessment, Sinc, since your only “connection” to Scotland is a tenuously Scottish surname. Go on; give us a round of that Scottish burr you’re famous for, laddie.

  6. Clam Chowdah

    Besides, Davidson is actually an English name. Who are we kidding here?

  7. Goanna

    Modern England is full of surrender (and it’s apparently contagious.)
    It would be easy to substitute a white flag for the Union Jack.

  8. Badjack

    If they were serious about independence they would already have an official National Anthem ready to rock’n’roll, which they don’t. Apparently the Flower of Scotland is not the National Anthem.

  9. entropy

    Does anyone know of the economic consequences for both Scotland and the rest of the UK?
    Yes, the Scots are mainly dolists these days, but what about North Sea oil? Who gets the royalties for that?

    Or is it the kind of independence you get when daddy still provides you with a cost of living payment?

  10. I am the Walrus, Koo Koo K'choo

    1. Find the patron saints of welfare dependency, trades union thuggery, minority-group victim culture and extortionate taxation.

    2. Combine their crosses into one pattern, as per the Union Jack. Call it the ‘Trades Union I’m All Right Jack’.

    3. Adopt this as our national ‘Team Australia’ flag.

    Alternatively just adopt the ISIS flag and change the Arabic script to ‘In the name of Australia, the most mendicant, the most self-hating’.

  11. faust

    Given that the English common law and Westminster-style system of Government is what gives Australia the legal and political institutions we have today, maybe we should only have the St George flag on our flag.

  12. Cato the Elder

    Or is it the kind of independence you get when daddy still provides you with a cost of living payment?

    But of course! Along with the reparations and North Sea royalties, naturally.

  13. blogstrop

    The new flag might celebrate the contribution made to civilisation by the industrial revolution. And coal.
    Put a steam locomotive in that space!

  14. jock

    Note that the “Union Jack” doesnt have the Welsh flag. And if memory serves, most of Ireland left the Union in 1921. I dont think Northern Ireland really counts as “Ireland”. But again the flag remains the same.

    Frankly I dont think the Scots care. The Saltire dates back over 10 centuries and remains the only flag of the Scots.

  15. Alfonso

    There is only one question for the “independent” Scots. Who pays for the welfare state when the oil runs out?
    They’ll come down on the side of bludging off the UK taxpayer, business as usual.
    Never get between a mendicant and money, the referendum has a snowballs in hell.

  16. Everyone talks about the effect on the flag.

    If the Scots vote yes, there is absolutely no need to change the Union Jack or any other flag.

    The flag has historical reasons for being the way it is, but they are under no obligation to update it. If they leave it as is what are the Scots going to do?

  17. Petros

    A more pressing issue is what are the Hawaians going to do with their state flag?

  18. Token

    Has there ever been a bigger group of jingoistic ingrates and nationalist bores than the Scots? Mouthey bastards who all emigrated to the commercial and intellectual magnet that is London because they could never amount to anything in their homeland.

    What an example, is mendacious republic of Wellfare(Scot)land really the example anyone would want to tell the world you want to copy?

    I spoke to several members of the cast, liberal-minded folk who were surprised that Gaza should be such a potent issue in Scottish politics. In Scotland the Israel-Palestine dispute is currency used by two left-wing parties that are vying for supremacy: the ruling Scottish National party (SNP) and the Labour Party. They try to outdo each other in their radicalism on the issue in order to appeal to middle-class liberals and a growing number of Muslim voters, most hailing from Pakistan.

    But according to Scotland’s Jewish leadership, “the disproportionate obsession with Israel in Scottish public life . . . has itself made many Jewish people very uncomfortable, whatever their views on the current conflict.” The Scottish Council of Jewish Communities (SCoJeC) issued a statement on August 10 claiming that it was adversely affecting everyday community relations. Scotland historically has frowned upon anti-Semitism, but the new situation reflects the mounting insecurity felt by European Jews from Manchester to Berlin.

    If I had scottish backgroung I would be emphasising the gaelic and de-emphasing any links to the malignant place.

  19. Chistery

    Aussie Pundit,

    Totally agree. Same argument applies if Australia votes to become a republic. There is no need to change the flag.

  20. Sinclair Davidson

    Besides, Davidson is actually an English name.

    Hab SoSlI’ Quch!

  21. Matt

    Given that the English have made no contribution to human civilisation…

    Obvious Hammy-level trolling.

    Notable Scottish contributions to civilisation include offal, ruining a walk, universal skag addiction, inappropriate deep frying, failed banks, eternal wellfareism, thistles, and Gordon Brown.

  22. The Scots invented penicillin and the steam engine, two of the greatest contributions to modern civilisation of all time. The steam engine is arguably the most transformative invention in history.

  23. Alfonso

    ‘The Scots invented penicillin.’

    No, a Scott accidentally discovered penicillin. The real work of ‘invention’ was bringing it to clinical use….See Howard Florey.

  24. Infidel Tiger

    Has there ever been a bigger group of jingoistic ingrates and nationalist bores than the Scots?

    The Irish?

  25. No, a Scott accidentally discovered penicillin. The real work of ‘invention’ was bringing it to clinical use….See Howard Florey.

    The Scots have a storied history of notable scientists, engineers and inventors.

  26. Alfonso

    Yep, but that wasn’t what you posted.

  27. Yep, but that wasn’t what you posted.

    It was the implication, since I was writing in response to the Matt’s denigration of Scottish contributions to civilisation. Sorry if you missed the point.
    I gave two examples of contributions to civilisation. You quibbled with one; but the point still stands.

  28. C.L.

    The new version is actually quite nice.

  29. Alfonso

    Sorry if you missed the English….”accidentally discovered” doesn’t equal “invented”. Sorry.
    You need another example of Scots invention to get your two.

  30. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    The Scots invented penicillin and the steam engine, two of the greatest contributions to modern civilisation of all time. The steam engine is arguably the most transformative invention in history.

    Scottish squatters, along the Riverina, in the 1850′s introduced Scotch whisky into Australia. It has long been my contention that these gentlemen did not achieve the recognition they so rightly deserve.

  31. Splatacrobat

    Perhaps the Queen’s royal standard could replace the Jack. It would be so Australian to have a pair of tits too salute in the morning.

  32. Baldrick

    The Romans had the right idea many centuries ago … build a wall and let ‘em have it.

  33. Toiling Mass

    I have heard people say our flag should reflect the contribution of our indigenous population.

    I estimate that would be a 10cm strand of cotton to acknowledge all the street and suburb names which do so very much confuse tourists.

  34. Des Deskperson

    I had a Scottish colleague once who claimed that the Scots invented and pioneered economics, modern medicine, the Enlightenment, modern engineering, television, anthropology, the theory of evolution and sociology. And that was just for starters!

  35. Gab

    I had a Scottish colleague once who claimed that the Scots invented and pioneered economics, modern medicine, the Enlightenment, modern engineering, television, anthropology, the theory of evolution and sociology.

    Funnily enough, a Greek friend’s dad says the same of the Greeks. As did my Italian father-in-law regarding Italians.

  36. Token

    I had a Scottish colleague once who claimed that the Scots invented and pioneered economics, modern medicine, the Enlightenment, modern engineering, television, anthropology, the theory of evolution and sociology.

    Funnily enough, a Greek friend’s dad says the same of the Greeks. As did my Italian father-in-law regarding Italians.

    Pity the current generation of all 3 cultures are pathetic shadows of the people who did the cultural heavy lifting.

  37. MacHaggis

    There are, or were, Scots who claimed that their forebears were a lost tribe of Israel. Maybe that has to do with their weird political beliefs.

  38. harrys on the boat

    The Scots had great people once, I’ll think of one in a minute, but unfortunately in the 21st Century they all resemble Rab C Nesbitt, including the women.

  39. Peter

    Naah….

    The Scots are only the descendants of mongrel Irishmen.

    The Irish claim the invention of Whiskey (actually, God gave it to them to prevent them from ruling the world) and the Bagpipes (which they have to the Scots for a joke, and the Scots haven’t got the joke yet.)

  40. harrys on the boat

    Also, growing up in Cornwall, you know that the great Cornishman and mining engineer Trevithick invented the steam engine and put it to use.

  41. Pyrmonter

    HOTB – you’re confusing a Cornishman with a Devonian. It was Newcomen: about as far from scotch as can be though.

  42. The Hunted Mind

    Also, growing up in Cornwall, you know that the great Cornishman and mining engineer Trevithick invented the steam engine and put it to use.

    I worked a summer in Camborne, which is the town in Cornwall where he was from. The locals are still very proud of him. Frankly, I think clotted cream and pasties were better inventions.

  43. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Born in Scotland, mother Welsh, father English (Huguenot originally), maternal grandfather Viking Scots Borders, and that’s just for a start.

    Annoyed I can’t vote in the Scottish referendum because I don’t live there. Not very democratic.

    I seem to have sent two posts into the wilderness web; lost ‘em somewhere. Never mind.

  44. squawkbox

    Newcomen invented the steam pump, then James Watt invented the first steam engine, then Trevithick invented the high pressure steam engine and the steam locomotive.

  45. harrys on the boat

    I’m Plymouth born and bred so a Janner and Devonian and I’m ashamed to say I haven’t come across Newcomen before!

  46. Roger

    Has there ever been a bigger group of jingoistic ingrates and nationalist bores than the Scots?

    Well, that would obviously be the Americans.

    But you’re all getting ahead of yourselves; the polls indicate a majority prefer the union and have done so for years. Scottish independence will remain a quixotic quest for the foreseeable future.

  47. johanna

    I get the impression that most of the Scots with any get up and go got up and went. Politically, it’s a toilet – Gordon Brown, Tony Blair and Wee Eck (Salmond) are among its infamous products.

    Ian Rankin is a pretty good writer. But, he’s a leftie as well. Sigh. And, they’ve produced some good bands, like Sumple Minds, Bug Country, Mogwai and Primal Scream. After that, I’m running out of good things to say about the joint since Robbie Burns kicked the bucket.

  48. squawkbox

    Yes, there’s no theoretical reason why Scotland couldn’t make a go of independence, but in practise the toxic Scottish political culture would in ten years turn Scotland into Venezuela with whisky. And I wouldn’t put it past Salmond to create a whisky shortage as well.

  49. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Scots, English, Irish, Welsh – all the same peoples originally – and even then a genetic mix from up the Atlantic coast and over from Northern Europe. Some input from Gaul (the Belgae). There was probably not much of an Anglo-Saxon ‘invasion’ and genetic take-over – that theory now pretty discredited – so the majority of Brits are still ‘Celts’ – except that term hasn’t got a lot of meaning any more either. The Norman invasion did actually insert a genetic trail (of sorts) but Normans were essentially all originally Scandinavians so it’s hard to pick from the earlier Northern European inputs. The Scots are Irish or Scandinavian-Brythonic and the Irish are a mix of Scandinavian from the Vikings and also earlier contacts down the Western Isles (possibly the mythical Irish Tuatha de Danan) as well as the Mesolithic and Neolithic arrivals up the Atlantic Coast, who also hit on Wales. The Welsh (Brythonic Britons) were also in Scotland. The Romans, in Britain for 400 years, and other traders and adventurers, also had some input, although it was limited – a lot of Roman soldiers, by the way, were Germanic, although Marcus Aurelius sent 5000 Samartian men from the Euro-Asian steppes over to Britain.

    So – where do you come from?

    You can get a genetic tracing done which will give you a bit of a hint, but only a hint, because obviously all of your ancestry is not traced, just your direct matriline (mitochondrial DNA) and your patriline (y chromosomes, less stable over time than mitochondrial DNA though so time depth sequence is less secure).

    Cultures now – well that’s a bit different to your genetic heritage, but to think that any culture in the British isles was ‘discrete’ unto itself – well, the identities are forged on some histories and a lot of earlier fabrications. Somehow though, we all like to identify in some way with a past history/struggle/place.

  50. Des Deskperson

    ‘Funnily enough, a Greek friend’s dad says the same of the Greeks. As did my Italian father-in-law regarding Italians’

    Lord Monboddo was the eccentric Scots nobleman who has at least some claim as an intellectual precursor to the theory of evolution. IIRC, he included climate and geography as factors influencing evolutionary development and concluded that, because of their need to manage in a particularly harsh environment, the Scots represented the ultimate evolutionary stage.

  51. incoherent rambler

    The Scots may opt for this flag .

    Lizzie, me too from Huguenot. I get the impression there was a lot of fleeing to Britain and Denmark.

  52. JakartaJaap

    John Napier, the logarithm and calculus man. Being a fierce opponent of Rome is also to his credit. From another Huguenot.

  53. johanna

    Lizzie, there is also (or at least, used to be) a strong cultural and genetic distinction between Highlanders and Lowlanders. The Highlanders were regarded as “thrawn” people – stubborn, disrespectful of all authority except their own, conservative, and tending to fair or red hair. The Lowlanders were regarded by the Highlanders as mongrels with no principles.

    There is a wonderful book called “My Friends The Miss Boyds” by Jane Duncan (1959, and Pan 1968) about growing up in a Highland farming family in the early C20th which highlights a lot of this. It gets five stars from me – well worth a read if you can find it.

  54. notafan

    My Huguenot ancestors went to Jersey, but from what part of France I do not know.
    Scotland has been the poor cousin of England for forever it seems. They must know now much they are subsidised via tax revenue. I Scotland going to have her own defence force, immigration and customs, hand money over to the UN and the EU?
    What are they hoping to achieve ?

  55. Aristogeiton

    Nice trolling with Arthur Herman’s pap, Sinc.

  56. Clam Chowdah

    Hab SoSlI’ Quch!

    Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn!

  57. DMS

    OK Abu,
    Your mother has a smooth forehead is responded to with….. what exactly?

  58. Des Deskperson

    ‘Your mother has a smooth forehead is responded to with….. what exactly?’

    In his house at R’lyeh, dead Cthulhu waits dreaming

  59. David

    Thank you for the translation Des. As Google Translate told me it was Welsh and to piss off I was going to respond with
    כי הוא עקוב מדם לא מובן
    which would have been equally unintelligible to most.
    Kol tuv

  60. Derp

    George Galloway more than makes up for some of that

  61. Walter Plinge

    Scottish squatters, along the Riverina, in the 1850′s introduced Scotch whisky into Australia. It has long been my contention that these gentlemen did not achieve the recognition they so rightly deserve.

    Corio Scotch whiskey achieved the recognition it so rightly reserved. Matured on the truck between Geelong and Melbourne.

  62. Clam Chowdah

    I’m not much for Klingon poetry. How does this one sound in Klingon, Sinc?

    In the land of a thousand arseholes
    By the sign of the swinging tit
    Lived a one eyed Chinese prostitute
    by the name of Hu Flung Shit

    It goes on and gets worse…

  63. Clam Chowdah

    George Galloway more than makes up for some of that

    As do the many Scottish union arseholes who emigrated to Victoria and enriched our industrial landscape in the 20th century and up until now.

  64. Michel Lasouris

    “Given that the English have made no contribution to human civilisation”
    Yer what?
    Let it be understood that the English have done considerably more than the Welsh ever did.

  65. Token

    As do the many Scottish union arseholes who emigrated to Victoria and enriched our industrial landscape in the 20th century and up until now.

    Och, aye. We still have Doogie Cam’run grunting & drooling as he bangs endlessly with the same class warfare crap which brought Scotland down.

  66. The Scots are voting in effect on undoing the 1707 union of parliaments, not the 1603 union of crowns. There need be no change to the flags of rUK or Scotland. So maybe no change here.

  67. Viva

    Just another example of the roll-on effects of our derivative national status with a foreign monarch as our head of state and another country’s flag taking a dominant place in our own.

  68. gabrianga

    Salmond makes Jo look like an amateur in the art of gerrymandering in his efforts to be “heid boy”

    Giving votes to 16 year olds and then denying a vote to born and bred Scots who live and work outside the Scottish border makes this “Scottish Referendum” a farce.

    Even an Irishman “resident” in Scotland gets a vote but not the estimated 1,000,000 Scots born living
    overseas(including England)

    Salmond’s rules on voting:

    The list of those who are eligible to vote in the referendum is almost the same as for elections to the Scottish Parliament and local authorities, but with the addition of 16 and 17 year olds. \

    The following groups of people can register to vote in the referendum:

    British citizens resident in Scotland.

    •Qualifying Commonwealth citizens resident in Scotland. This means Commonwealth citizens who either have leave to remain in the UK or do not require such leave, and are resident in Scotland.

    Citizens of the Republic of Ireland and other EU countries resident in Scotland.

    •Members of the House of Lords resident in Scotland.

    •Service/Crown personnel serving in the UK or overseas in the Armed Forces or with Her Majesty’s Government who are registered to vote in Scotland.

  69. 1735099

    Check my avatar to view the only flag which should replace the Union flag in the corner of the existing rag.
    Or better still – apply it immediately by itself as the only authentic symbolic of our national aspirations fit to fly for Australians.

  70. Infidel Tiger

    Never picked you as an anti-tax, small government type, Numbers.

    Welcome aboard.

  71. Sorry if you missed the English….”accidentally discovered” doesn’t equal “invented”. Sorry.
    You need another example of Scots invention to get your two.

    Geez, are you actually ignorant or just pretending to be?
    List of scottish inventions includes

    The telephone
    The steam engine
    universal standard time
    logarithms
    the incandescent light bulb

    ….. and much more.

  72. Infidel Tiger

    Thomas Lipton also revolutionised the supermarket.

  73. johanna

    gabrianga, despite Wee Eck’s best efforts, it’s going to fail.
    Bottom line is: England subsidises Scottish welfare payments (billions of quid per year).
    It’s a great distraction from the failings of Wee Eck’s government. It won’t change a thing, though.

  74. Squirrel

    I’m reminded of Jerry Seinfeld’s observation that the Australian flag is “Britain at night” – but let’s just stick with the current striking colour scheme.

  75. Alfonso

    “Geez, are you actually ignorant or just pretending to be?”

    There you go son, and not claiming peni as a Scottish invention…..making excellent progress this term.

  76. Alfonso

    “Check my avatar to view the only flag which should replace…”

    Could have , alas the Builders Labourers Federation nee CFMEU own the symbol these days.
    And you don’t want me burning flags.

  77. There you go son, and not claiming peni as a Scottish invention…..making excellent progress this term.

    In your opinion it doesn’t count because it was a ‘discovery’ not an ‘invention.’
    What ridiculous pedantry.
    Anyway, your bold challenge for me to name one more example of a Scottish invention has been well and truly met.

  78. Alfonso

    You got your English wrong and are clinging to it….ok.

    You said: The Scots have a storied history of notable scientists, engineers and inventors.
    I said : Yep, but that wasn’t what you posted.

    No-one’s disagreeing with Scottish achievement, just with twerps who fuck up and want to run with it as if they didn’t.

  79. Oh come on

    Scottish independence is about the only hope for the Sceptred Isle…if England can go its own way with Labour permanently relegated to opposition, the place will take off like a rocket. Next step will be dumping the EU like a used franger. It’ll be a remarkable changw of fortunes. Please, Scotland, vote yes!

  80. Roger

    Next step will be dumping the EU like a used franger.

    Only because the Tories will need UKIP to form a government, oco.

    Please, Scotland, vote yes!

    Unlikely; the polls have favoured the Union for years.

  81. WhaleHunt Fun

    Even the bit about it being non-fiction is fictiom.
    Without capital from the south or the continent they were always without influence..

  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I had a Scottish colleague once who claimed that the Scots invented and pioneered economics, modern medicine, the Enlightenment, modern engineering, television, anthropology, the theory of evolution and sociology.

    Funnily enough, a Greek friend’s dad says the same of the Greeks. As did my Italian father-in-law regarding Italians.

    At Uppsala University in Sweden I came across a book by an 18th Century Swedish polymath and recognized crazy, who traced the origins of civilization to the Swedes and their meanderings following the Great Flooding of Atlantis, somewhere up round that way.

    Everyone, it seems, wants a bit of brag about how their nationals were originals in creating good things.

  83. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The Scots are dour, the Irish are funny, the English are boring, the Welsh are, well, since Julia Gillard we’ll just forget about the Welsh. IMHO they got a terribly bad rap late in the fifth or sixth century (no-one can agree on dates) by a Jeremiah Religious called Gildas, whose Jeremiad against the Welsh was inserted word-for-word into Bede’s great history a few centuries later. The Welsh have suffered for this ever since. My sharp and supersmart Welsh nana was a domestic hurricane as well as a charlady, and a true Welshwoman.

    Then they got Gillard. Poor old Cymry.

  84. old bloke

    There are, or were, Scots who claimed that their forebears were a lost tribe of Israel. Maybe that has to do with their weird political beliefs.

    The Tribe of Asher according to a Jewish scholar who has studied the migrations of the northern Israelites.

  85. Eyrie

    Numbers, I agree. “No flag of old Europe is more beautiful than the banner flown by the Ballarat miners”. Free men and women fought and died under that flag.

  86. You said: The Scots have a storied history of notable scientists, engineers and inventors.
    I said : Yep, but that wasn’t what you posted.

    You dill.

    Someone posted the following: “Notable Scottish contributions to civilisation include offal, ruining a walk, universal skag addiction, inappropriate deep frying, failed banks, eternal wellfareism, thistles, and Gordon Brown.”

    In response, I posted two notable Scottish achievements. you pipe up and then insist that penicillin was a ‘discovery’ not an ‘invention.’ Whatever. My point – in response to Matt- was clear to anyone with a functioning brain that there were notable Scottish achievements beyond offal and failed banks.

    Your pedantry can only be interpreted as meaning either you didn’t understand the flow of discussion or didn’t read it. Then you challenged me to name one more Scottish invention! The lulz.

  87. Des Deskperson

    ‘Free men and women fought and died under that flag.’

    All of then anti-Chinese racists!

  88. Clam Chowdah

    Geez, are you actually ignorant or just pretending to be?
    List of scottish inventions includes

    The telephone
    The steam engine
    universal standard time
    logarithms
    the incandescent light bulb

    ….. and much more.

    Only the fucking pongoes would create and curate a wiki page about Scottish inventors.

    What a bunch of try hard boorish twats.

  89. Leigh Lowe

    Numbers, I agree. “No flag of old Europe is more beautiful than the banner flown by the Ballarat miners”. Free men and women fought and died under that flag.

    Unfortunately it has been forever sullied by its association with corrupt construction unions.

  90. old bloke

    Then they got Gillard. Poor old Cymry.

    Don’t blame Wales for Gillard, that’s a family name of Norman origins.

  91. Fisky

    The Scots are dour, the Irish are funny, the English are boring

    The Scots are unbearable. Can’t take a joke and can’t cop criticism.

  92. Oh come on

    The Scots aren’t what they once were. If anyone ever needed living proof of the corrosive nature of welfarism, they’d just need referring to modern Scotland.

    The yes vote is catching up with the nays. It’s also a more unpredictable outcome than the polls suggest. The majority of Scots want independence but are thinking with their hip pockets. However, they also know this is a once-in-a-lifetime vote – it isn’t as though they’ll be able to have another vote in 3 years time. I suspect a substantial number of the people who have decided to vote no might have a last minute change of heart when in the polling booth.

  93. mareeS

    Whichever way it goes, the result will be in the courts for generations to come. Every single word in the referendum will be parsed to the last drop of ink.

  94. Alfonso

    “just with twerps who fuck up and want to run with it as if they didn’t.”

    Enough.

  95. The Hunted Mind

    Why are the English even bothering giving the Scottish a vote on Independence? They should give the English a vote on jettisoning the Scottish and thereby make sure it happens.

  96. MickfromVic

    Badjack,

    Wouldn’t the new Scot National Anthem be this?

  97. The Pugilist

    Funnily enough, a Greek friend’s dad says the same of the Greeks. As did my Italian father-in-law regarding Italians.

    We all know the Greeks invented sex, but it took the Romans to introduce it to women…

  98. Oh come on

    Why are the English even bothering giving the Scottish a vote on Independence? They should give the English a vote on jettisoning the Scottish and thereby make sure it happens.

    Right. I wonder what the legality is regarding the English having their own vote to leave the Union? They’re crazy to stay in it, really.

  99. gabrianga

    The Scots are unbearable. Can’t take a joke and can’t cop criticism

    Only when the criticism comes from the “Twat’s Club”, Fisky. We do take a joke really well but react to the keich you and others want to toss around.

    We never quite caught on to the “humorous” IRA led by McGuinness ,nor the Omagh incident nor Tony and Cherie not to mention the 2007/13 circus running Australia. but I suppose that shows our lack of humour.

    Like Clam Chowder you tend to speak from the anus about the Scots, but then we have the ability to laugh at this blinding ignorance being displayed about the “Scottish Revolution”

  100. Oh come on

    nor Tony and Cherie

    which is why you so enthusiastically elected him at every opportunity…?

    not to mention the 2007/13 circus running Australia.

    which you also would have overwhelmingly voted for, if you had the chance.

    Come on. Most Scots are card carrying Labourites. No point pretending otherwise.

  101. Clam Chowdah

    Nailed it, Fisky. Humourless attention seeking twats.

  102. Fisky

    “Like Clam Chowder you tend to speak from the anus about the Scots.”

    About half my ancestors were Scots and most of them left 150 years ago. Nothing good has happened there since. It’s a great disappointment of a country and I truly hope they vote Yes because then there will be no excuses or blaming the English anymore. It will be a generation of grinding poverty followed hopefully by some common sense.

    “Only when the criticism comes from the “Twat’s Club”, Fisky. We do take a joke really well but react to the keich you and others want to toss around.”

    Sometimes they can. And mostly they take shit personally to a ridiculous extent when anyone with a smidgeon of self-esteem would blow it off or fire back in good humour as the Southern English do.

  103. Clam Chowdah

    I’ve got some Scots heritage. So what? I also have a lot of UK Scottish friends and colleagues. I find it’s usually the ones with English surnames who are most boorish about Scotland. The rest couldn’t give a fuck about the supposed glory of Scottish intellectual output and think the Yes movement are morons.

    The Scots who crap on about their intellectual heritage are as dumb as people in the Middle East who crap on about Averroes, Avicenna and whoever wrote some shit about algebra that one time.

  104. A word to the Scots:

    Was du ererbt von deinen Vätern hast,
    erwirb es, um es zu besitzen!

    What from your fathers you received as heir,
    Acquire if you would possess it.
    (Goethe’s Faust, Part I, Night, lines 684-685, tr. W. Kaufmann)

  105. MartinG

    Regardless of what Scotland decides to do, there is no need to change the Australian canton. Australia was settled by people of the British Isles, albeit that it was already inhabited by Aboriginal tribes.

    The national flag is a symbol of people of differing lineage coming together for the common good. The canton should not to be taken literally as a land dominated by the United Kingdom.

    The removal of any component of the Union Flag would indicate the fracturing of the Australian philosophy of people from diverse backgrounds working together for the common good.

  106. Des Deskperson

    ‘Unfortunately it has been forever sullied by its association with corrupt construction unions’

    Somewhat ironically, given its origin amongst anti-Chinese gold miners, the southern cross flag was also used by the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist), the breakaway Maoist faction that supported the old Builders Laborers Federation, predecessor of the CMFEU that still flies that flag.

    So it’s also tainted by tyrant-worship. Apart from lauding Maoe Tse Tung, the CPA(ML) continued to support Pol Pot long after even every other ‘progressive; faction in Australia had been sickened by the mass murderer.

  107. J.H.

    How the Scots invented the modern world….. Is this why we all speak Scottish?

  108. I wonder what flag would fly from the Scottish Navy’s nuclear subs after the Royal Navy is divvied up?

  109. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    The last time Scotland held any interest for me was when they were winning more than they lost and the excellent John Jeffery was playing on the side of their scrums, or No 8. He retired in 1991.

  110. Oh come on

    I wonder what flag would fly from the Scottish Navy’s nuclear subs after the Royal Navy is divvied up?

    There won’t be funding enough to man a 9 foot skiff – they’ve already said all their money’s going to be spent on skoolznhospitalz! The Scots are nothing if not good little statists.

  111. Draft bill to be passed under urgency:
    (1)On and after 20 September 2014 (in this Act referred to as ” the appointed day “) Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom shall have no responsibility for the government of Scotland.
    (2)No Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom passed on or after the appointed day shall extend, or be deemed to extend, to Scotland.

    (3)On and after the appointed day the British Nationality Acts shall have effect as if in section 1(3) of the British Nationality Act 1948 (Commonwealth countries having separate citizenship) there were added at the end the words
    “and Scotland”.

    (4)Except as provided by section 3 of this Act, any person who immediately before the appointed day is a citizen of the United Kingdom shall on that day cease to be such a citizen if he becomes on that day a citizen of Scotland.

  112. Clam Chowdah

    Why would the UK feel compelled to divvie up anything?

    I doubt any of the boats at Faslane will stay with the Pongoes.

    I can’t see many of the NCOs at Hereford racing off to set up the SSAS, either.

  113. Oh come on

    The Scots will be able to free-ride off of the UK security umbrella, anyway. There’s no way the RN would allow, say, Russia to establish a beachhead on Scottish Great Britain. This would preface a major regional war. Independent Scotland will become to the UK as western Europe is to the USA. Lucky Scotland. They get to posture as pacifists in the full knowledge that their chestnuts will be hauled out of the fire by their neighbours.

    If it ever came to that, England would be perfectly entitled to seize whatever Scottish-controlled North Sea Oil-producing assets so as to pay for the defence of Scotland.

  114. kelly liddle

    Arguably the Scots are the biggest influence of a Western state on Asia. Think Johnnie Walker and golf.

  115. Free Scotland

    All Scots, and the English who live there, should vote YES for Independence on September 18th!!!

  116. one old bruce

    T’will be back to reaving, aye.

    An’ those Geordies and Brummies south of the Border will have to make up their minds which side they’re on, damn quick.

    You know what happens when the Clan’s menfolk all get killed in battle? Why the womenfolk all have miraculous pregnancies and replenish the Clan so the war can go on!

  117. Clam Chowdah

    Blah de blah de blah de fucking blah.

    Boring bastards.

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