Open Forum: August 23, 2014

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  1. Kae

    I wouldn’t eat tiger balm, no matter how it’s cooked.

  2. hammy

    1000th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  3. hammy

    One thousand and one nights!

  4. I also love plain apples, Candy, so there’s hope for us yet.

    Soooo – exchanging apple preferences with other women behind my back, eh?

    Now the truth comes out.

  5. David

    1000th

    Appropriately placed Hammy. Still compared to Numbers you are all class.

  6. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Death Row Records founder Suge Knight is undergoing surgery after being shot twice – once in the arm and stomach – during a nightclub party in West Hollywood.

    I’ve been to quite a few parties, in my time, that got completely out of hand – some led to the intervention of the civil or the military coppers, but shooting someone twice is a little excessive?

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    Hammy has been waiting all night for his chance. This will go into your trophy case Hammy. Your descendants will inherit this honour.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Corned beef and cabbage and white sauce. Now I’ll really get nostalgic; reminds me that my childhood food didn’t entirely consist of sausages, boiled minced meat, and tinned tomato soup.

    I make a terrible white sauce; full of lumps. I try, I really do try, but always end up straining it.*

    *not an invitation to more cooking hints, as this is an economics site. Previous hints about casseroles have, you should know however, been worth Sinc’s donation of the electrons, as casseroles in our house are now frequent, and improved.

  9. David

    shot twice – once in the arm and stomach
    Obviously in need of firearms training. A poor grouping for a double tap.

  10. hammy

    you are all class.

    I’m well aware of that, David. But thanks for noticing all the same.

  11. Tom

    A 5 min video without any horrors we have been subject to lately.
    A little girl making beautiful music.

    Celestial, heavenly and made virtually unavailable by the scum who erroneously think they now own our culture. Many thanks, Beef.

  12. I have heaps of sympathy for anyone accused of a serious crime; and I am sure it is a relief to Shorten that the media ran silent. It is also a relief to the rest of parliament because they hope that if they get embroiled in some kind of investigation they might get treated the same.

    But the public are now finding out that the entire press gallery sat on an explosive, sensational story for months. The public expect that, come what may, the media will tell them what they know, if it’s interesting enough. Therefore some people are annoyed that secrets were kept from them.

    So there’s a trust-in-media angle on this.

  13. MsDolittle

    I shared a house with a submariner chef, we didn’t agree on much but corned beef. It should be called corned dog. He also had a fit if I put knives into the washing up water… “If nobody knows they’re in there they could cut themselves”. Able sea man Dolittle keel hauled.

  14. Armadillo

    If juries consist only of those too stupid not to find a way out then the system is truly screwed.

    My point exactly – Professional Juries. The current system is screwed. How they are appointed and for how long is a matter for debate. The shorter time period the better (say 3 to 36 months). It’s a community service for those interested, and the pay should be commensurate with that. The current system must cost the taxpayers an absolute fortune when you consider how operates.

  15. MsDolittle

    Lizzie get a stick mixer for your lumps.

  16. David

    Able sea man

    Sexually confused or a typo?

  17. hammy

    Hammy has been waiting all night for his chance.

    No, but I did have to keep an eye out for about half an hour. The last five minutes were a bit suspenseful, however.

  18. Leigh Lowe

    OK peoples – I have to front up at the ACT Supreme Court at 9:00am tomorrow morning for jury duty.

    Just say in a stage whisper to another potential juror …
    “You know, I am really conflicted on the subject of capital punishment.
    I used to think the electric chair was quite efficient, but I do worry about the Carbon Footprint.
    Some days I am a hanging kind of guy but, being something of a Francophile I do have a bit of a leaning towards the guillotine. What do you think?”

  19. David

    The current system must cost the taxpayers an absolute fortune when you consider how operates

    Actually it doesn’t Armadillo but I shall have to find some files not referred to for a long time.

  20. Armadillo

    Lizzie, get some white vinegar for your cabbage.

  21. JohnA

    Lizzie B.

    “I make a terrible white sauce; full of lumps. I try, I really do try, but always end up straining it.*

    *not an invitation to more cooking hints, as this is an economics site.”

    No, but an invitation to a reference to a Goon Show: “One lump or two?” :-)

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Lizzie get a stick mixer for your lumps.

    A killer app! I’ve got one, but I never thought of doing that. Thengya very much. Will try it.

  23. Roger

    C.L.
    #1428055, posted on August 24, 2014 at 8:37 pm
    … in 2010, 62,593 blacks were the victims of white violence …
    I’d like to know how they came up with that bullshit figure.
    London to a brick they counted Latinos as whites.

    In official US government parlance Hispanic and Latino are ethnicities, not racial identities.
    The race of Hispanics and Latinos is White, as they are deemed to be of European ancestry.
    Why the US is so obsessed with race escapes me, but there it is.

  24. Tintrella di Luna

    I make a terrible white sauce; full of lumps. I try, I really do try, but always end up straining it.*

    Lizzie, I have a solution but it means the HIA will need to part with a fair bit of the folding stuff but your white sauce will be perfect forever more as will your brioche, or risotto, or ragu, or creme anglaise, or any number of ticklish kitchen fixings… but

  25. hoppers

    Lizzie – For sauces without lumps, low heat.

  26. Beef

    That was a great documentary, and my arrogance made me miss out on a piece of Armadillo pie.

    Lizzie, hope the Irish coffee does the trick, and thank you for your wonderful prose while you went about your travels. I read most of it and wished for anything to be there and not laid up in a bed.

    The latest copy of the “Biblical Archaeological Review” (BAR) has lobbed on the Ipad. Tonights reading about Jerusalem following the Bar-Kokhba revolt in the second century when Constantine proclaimed Christianity a lawful religion in 325, and the diverseness of the people living there at the time.

    For those who like me that are fascinated with the Bible and Archaeology I recommend the site and the bi-monthly review from the Biblical Archaeological Society.

    Tom, you are very welcome, glad to return a link, for all your great ones. Cheers

  27. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Lizzie, get some white vinegar for your cabbage.

    And some brown paper? What do I do with it? Sprinkle, rub, mix, drown, boil, fry or mince?

  28. Roger

    I make a terrible white sauce; full of lumps. I try, I really do try, but always end up straining it

    Whisk the flour in little by little…be patient.

  29. Tom

    not an invitation to more cooking hints, as this is an economics site.

    So cute, young lady. I mean intellectually cute. Just reminding you that repeated attempts to turn the Cat into a sterile Austrian economic cookery have been unsuccessful.

    Which is to say that you may attempt whatever takes your fancy.

  30. calli

    Tinta, it’s not a balloon whisk, is it? :)

  31. Roger

    For those who like me that are fascinated with the Bible and Archaeology I recommend the site and the bi-monthly review from the Biblical Archaeological Society.

    +1.

  32. Leigh Lowe

    Lizzie – For sauces without lumps, low heat.

    For lump free sauces the answer is – I almost dare not speak it’s name – Thermomix.

  33. .

    Suge Knight gettting his comeuppance?

    Anyway:

    “I’m not an alcoholic, I’m Australian”.

  34. Tom

    Lizzie, I have a solution …

    Yeah, sure.

    How ’bout fessing up about your commission, hmmm?

    Bloody subversives everywhere at this site.

  35. Tintrella di Luna

    Tinta, it’s not a balloon whisk, is it?

    No but I want one of those as well as the Kitchen Aid Artisan (and a treadmill) looks like I’m gonna have to die wiv mi boots on to pay for it all… but hey I’ll use anything as a ladder when the pit seems deeper

  36. candy

    I make a terrible white sauce; full of lumps. I try, I really do try, but always end up straining i

    Some things you just have to stay at the stove and stir like a roux for a white sauce. There’s no going away do something else.

  37. .

    In official US government parlance Hispanic and Latino are ethnicities, not racial identities. The race of Hispanics and Latinos is White, as they are deemed to be of European ancestry.
    Why the US is so obsessed with race escapes me, but there it is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S72nI4Ex_E0

  38. Armadillo

    Actually it doesn’t Armadillo but I shall have to find some files not referred to for a long time.

    No worries David. But from the 4 times I’ve been called up, it seems to me to be a huge waste of a lot of people’s time. You get a letter. You have to phone a number and get told if you are required or not. You may have to phone several times. If you are required, you have to make arrangements to be there (work, kids, whatever). Some try to circumvent that beforehand. If you can’t, you have to attend. You register your attendance. You watch a video. You might get picked. You might not. If you do get picked, you can go and plead to the judge why you shouldn’t be there. If you do get picked, the lawyers argue why you shouldn’t be there. That’s just the start of the process, before you actually get in a jury room.

    If they can’t make that simpler, cheaper and fairer through some sort of system of ‘Professional Juries”, then they ain’t trying. Why would they? It’s only taxpayers money and inconvenience. The judges and Sheriffs are getting paid.

  39. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Beef, it amuses me to write little things about life and travel, and if anyone enjoys my occasional flourishes, or if they help the sick to pass the time, then that is all to the good. I hope I earn my keep here as well with some other comments more in line with the site’s intentions.

    I must be careful. Tinta has not mentioned the actual name yet of the Dreaded Appliance, but I can sense it hovering there, waiting to land and rip into Da Hairy Irish Ape’s back pocket ….

    I have had my mixer stick for three years, and I only ever whip cream with it. A Ther … oooops. No.

  40. Tintrella di Luna

    For lump free sauces the answer is – I almost dare not speak it’s name – Thermomix.

    Uh huh, oh yeah — and

    Tom

    How ’bout fessing up about your commission, hmmm?

    Honest injun I have been asked to sell that things such has been my enthusiasm over the last 10 years or so but I can’t sell things to anyone – -they have to go and buy them —

    Bloody subversives everywhere at this site.

    I’m more of an immersive — I love spa baths and long hot showers – don’t get time for ‘em but I love ‘em

  41. twostix

    A picture of the High Court of Australia reminds me of why this country is rapidly turning into a Soviet cesspit.

    There’s not en0ugh connection and comment on the connection between architecture and politics these days.

    On the other hand a beautiful courthouse in a tiny little country town from when the nation cared about liberty, and beautiful buildings, even in crappy little country towns.

    There’s a connection there.

  42. Tintrella di Luna

    those… things

  43. .

    Neo brutalism – err, maybe one of the 20th centuries many failings.

    At least the stepped waterfall looks okay.

  44. Tintrella di Luna

    On the other hand a beautiful courthouse in a tiny little country town

    Where is that twostix?

  45. Leigh Lowe

    Some things you just have to stay at the stove and stir like a roux for a white sauce. There’s no going away do something else.

    That is boring.
    I just get the maid to do it.

  46. MsDolittle

    Some things you just have to stay at the stove and stir like a roux for a white sauce. There’s no going away do something else. That’s right Candy, don’t know what Roger is on about with his patient sprinkling of flour – maybe he uses GRAVOX eek!

  47. Beef

    I gotta get me one of these Thermo thingys, they appear to do everything! As the old ‘Inventors’ lady on the ABC used to say, when talking about tow hitches and ploughs “Does it come in different colours”?

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    And just lookit that. Leigh Lowe, without a minute’s hesitation, already mentions The Name That Must Never Be Spoken. In a Grail legend the earth would open with a roar and swallow him whole.

  49. Roger

    .
    #1428163, posted on August 24, 2014 at 10:22 pm

    Thanks dot, but it strikes me that it’s deeper than slavery – what was behind slavery?
    Ethnic hubris and pseudo-scientific theories.
    Why the US government perpetuates this with it absurd ethnic/racial categories is what I don’t get.

  50. Tintrella di Luna

    I gotta get me one of these Thermo thingys, they appear to do everything! As the old ‘Inventors’ lady on the ABC used to say, when talking about tow hitches and ploughs “Does it come in different colours”?

    sorry Beef, not different colours — the Germans make them — they are a little dour on the decor side –comes in white and stainless steel – but what it lacks in the colour range it more than makes up for in utility and convenience.

  51. twostix

    Honestly.

    Who looked at that design for the High Court of Australia and went “yeah, that’s it, that’s what the nation should look like”. A bunch of Soviet inspired 1970′s marxist traitors, that’s who.

    Howard should have demolished it. It’s these things which really matter.

  52. Armadillo

    And some brown paper? What do I do with it? Sprinkle, rub, mix, drown, boil, fry or mince?

    Oh dear. Brown sugar, white vinegar and cabbage. Boil in pot (just for fun, pour in a bit of water). Strain and throw it on a plate.

    It should disguise the taste of the lumpy white sauce and soggy corn beef. It’s a start.

    Better still, throw the hairy one a bottle of scotch and tell him to skull it. Throw one to the kids and tell them to share. Whatever is left is yours. You have had a hard night in the kitchen. You deserve it. Don’t feel guilty.

  53. Tintrella di Luna

    In a Grail legend the earth would open with a roar and swallow him whole.

    and Leigh has survived to carry on with the tale

    Some things you just have to stay at the stove and stir like a roux for a white sauce. There’s no going away do something else.

    That is boring.
    I just get the maid to do it.

    And the maid made a lumpless litre in 12 minutes

  54. Leigh Lowe

    Stop that.
    Stop it ….. will you stop that.
    Now look, no one is to stone anyone until I blow this whistle. Even – and I want to make this absolutely clear – even if they do say Therm ……..”

  55. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    On the other hand a beautiful courthouse in a tiny little country town

    Where is that twostix?

    Hartley, just over the Blue Mountains, in the foothills there.
    Richmond, a little farming community 20 minutes out of Hobart.

    Both are from Colonial times, both manage to convey a sense of the Law in a once-remote place, both are architecturally interesting, and both exist within a setting not compromised by other ages.

  56. Roger

    Who looked at that design for the High Court of Australia and went “yeah, that’s it, that’s what the nation should look like”. A bunch of Soviet inspired 1970′s marxist traitors, that’s who.

    It’s a pillbox with aspirations.

  57. .

    Lizzie

    The said Cooma but I know some court houses had a common design/design principles.

    Look at Wagga and Bourke for example.

  58. Tintrella di Luna

    Who looked at that design for the High Court of Australia and went “yeah, that’s it, that’s what the nation should look like”. A bunch of Soviet inspired 1970′s marxist traitors, that’s who.

    Mmmm yes a fine example of this style

    So many of the buildings on the Uni of NSW campus looked like that in the 1970s – hideous

  59. twostix

    Where is that twostix?

    It’s in Cooma, Tinta, one hour south of Canberra. Though there’s lots of them around NSW.
    Maitland’s court house was just as pretty.

    Remember that these courthouses were built brick by brick by tiny little communities 100-150 years ago.

    On the other hand we with modern technology, materials and building practices get to bask in the beauty of this.

  60. Leigh Lowe

    not an invitation to more cooking hints, as this is an economics site.

    I would have thought “apply medium- low heat and stir continuously” describes this site perfectly.

  61. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    You have had a hard night in the kitchen. You deserve it. Don’t feel guilty.

    You been tarkin’ to Da Hairy Irish Ape by any chance? ;)

  62. Tintrella di Luna

    It’s a pillbox with aspirations.

    as distict from inspirations

  63. Leigh Lowe

    It’s a pillbox with aspirations delusions of adequacy.

  64. Oh come on
    It doesn’t seem especially relevant, unless he was in fact complicit in enemy action by calmly and willingly participating in his own death in the manner he did.

    It’s not relevant that he was there cheering Islamist lunatics and then got killed by them?

    I’d say it’s very fucking relevant.

    Some quarters have reported he was anti-American and anti-Assad. That doesn’t make him pro-ISIS. He may well have been a left wing dupe who had a most unfortunate collision with the immutable law of cause and effect, sure. But if that’s all he was, that doesn’t mitigate the crime his murderers committed. So no, it’s not relevant.

    It’s only relevant if he was complicit in his murder, ie. he knowingly went to his death spouting anti-American and pro-ISIS propaganda willingly and in order to aid his captors and damage his country. There is no evidence that this was the case. Very, very few people in this world are willing to encounter their deaths in such a calm, calculated and premeditated manner.

  65. .

    Also note the near uniform bank buildings owned by ANZ or its predecessors across country NSW.

  66. Des Deskperson

    If we are talking totalitarian architecture, check this out:

    http://indochinaimages.photoshelter.com/image/I0000ThYxrDSeISM

    Bank of Vietnam office in Saigon. It looks scarier in real life

  67. I am the Walrus, Koo Koo K'choo

    As I understand it, Eastman joined the APS through the elite Administrative Trainee Scheme, now defunct, a scheme that, while supposedly merit based, always seemed to full of mandarins’ kids. He was earmarked as a potential high flyer, but his career went f**ko bazoo sometime in the seventies and he became a chronic vexationist.

    He was dux of his year at Canberra Grammar.

    He used to get aggro about economic policy while he worked at Treasury. The current account deficit was guaranteed to set him off. Occasionally he would put pen to paper and write angry letters to John Stone which would end with ‘I FUCKING RESIGN’. Stone would rush to get these to be Public Service Board before Eastman changed his mind.

    All the department stores in Canberra would alert staff to his presence if he wandered in.

    After he had been arrested for the murder, I think while he was on bail, he approached an acquaintance of mine and asked if he could do some volunteer work for her. Being somewhat wary (understandably), she asked a federal policeman she knew if he would be any trouble. The copper reassured her that he wouldn’t be any trouble – and he wasn’t. But I always thought this was odd, given the cops had nabbed him for murdering their boss.

  68. Roger

    On the other hand we with modern technology, materials and building practices get to bask in the beauty of this.

    The same school of architecture afflicted us in Brisbane with the state library, art gallery and museum on the South Bank. “Doctors may bury their mistakes, but architects can only advise their clients to plant vines” – Frank Lloyd Wright.

  69. Kae

    Open thread

    Food is important, if you don’t eat, you don’t shit.
    If you don’t shit you die.

    I’m sure these hints and insights on cooking are appreciated by some.

    And I didn’t say thermominx, industrial meat slicer, cushions or any almost-banned words.

    So nyah.

  70. For appropriately balanced courthouses in the US see Architecture of Democracy, by Allan Greenberg—fairly cheap right now at bookdepository, and reviewed here—which has some very nice pictures.

  71. Leigh Lowe

    Don’t talk apple pies.
    Mrs Lowe went mad last week and tried to cook an apple pie arse up in a fry-pan.
    She forgot to put any pastry in, then throws a bit on top as an afterthought.
    Then, after all that, she remembers that pies go in the oven, so turns it up the right way and finishes it in the oven.
    “That’s not a pie” I say. “It’s got no lid”
    “It’s a Tar-Tar-Tin” she says.
    Tasted alright but I am none the wiser as to why she would do that to an apple pie.

  72. Kae

    I’m in Sydney

    Fork, it’s cold!*

    *compared to SE Qld.

  73. twostix

    At least the stepped waterfall looks okay.

    Yes that’s the best of it and as you say it’s “okay”.

    Unfortunately 300 years ago they had glorious water features too.

    I fear that there’s only two choices here: Either 1970′s era Australian architects were copy-cat, derivative, unimaginative boors, or were Soviet inspired marxist traitors determined to uglify our public spaces and wage war on our public consciousness.

  74. Kae

    Nor did I mention stick mixer.

  75. Kae

    It will belt the lumps out of white sauce!

  76. Roger

    For appropriately balanced courthouses in the US see Architecture of Democracy, by Allan Greenberg—fairly cheap right now at bookdepository, and reviewed here—which has some very nice pictures.

    Courthouses in US county seats up until c. 1940 are almost invariably well designed and impressive, for what they are.

  77. Tintrella di Luna

    It’s in Cooma, Tinta, one hour south of Canberra. Though there’s lots of them around NSW.
    Maitland’s court house was just as pretty.

    I love country towns, Mudgee is particularly pretty, there’s a church in the main street with a stunning spire and the clock tower, I think it’s the Catholic Church built by people when churches meant something to them. I remember the church I was married in — airless, carpeted dugout when on the little hill beside this monstrosity stood the beautiful old church — which is the backdrop of our wedding photos– now it’s gone completely they dismantled it brick by brick. Bloody vandals.

  78. Fisky

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/malaysia-airlines-plane-bound-for-tokyo-forced-to-turn-back-and-return-to-kuala-lumpur-international-airport/story-fnizu68q-1227035022351

    Another devastating blow to Bumi Airlines. It will be all over soon. The pilots and cabin crew will stop showing up for work, so demoralising it must be to work for a doomed airline as well as a doomed nation that has never been viable.

  79. Leigh Lowe

    After he had been arrested for the murder, I think while he was on bail, he approached an acquaintance of mine and asked if he could do some volunteer work for her. Being somewhat wary (understandably), she asked a federal policeman she knew if he would be any trouble. The copper reassured her that he wouldn’t be any trouble – and he wasn’t. But I always thought this was odd, given the cops had nabbed him for murdering their boss.

    The copper was probably wary about making any pre-trial commentary about Eastman which could be used to support his persecution complex story.

  80. Kae

    Whisk flour in to make white sauce?

    That’s not how you make a roux!

  81. Tintrella di Luna

    Tasted alright but I am none the wiser as to why she would do that to an apple pie.

    Leigh it’s the spice of life that Mrs Lowe is giving you

  82. Oh come on

    mmm corned beef, I’ve come to appreciate it after not being able to stand it as a child. Great in sandwiches, too.

    Another winter winner – pot roast. A big chunk of topside or whatever’s cheap, simmer on low low low in a big pot for 5 hours in red wine, a bottle of Italian sugo, cumin, paprika, chilli, salt, pepper, a few other bibs and bobs that you think might work flavour-wise, chuck your potatoes in 45 mins before serving, then carrots, onions and cauliflower 10-20 mins later….awesome. One pot wonder, and set-and-forget for the most part.

  83. Fisky

    I fear that there’s only two choices here: Either 1970′s era Australian architects were copy-cat, derivative, unimaginative boors, or were Soviet inspired marxist traitors determined to uglify our public spaces and wage war on our public consciousness.

    There is no doubt it was the latter. Marxists are always very conscious of the need to brainwash the population through the entire spectrum of culture, economics, politics, etc. Also, every Marxist country I’ve visited has similar kinds of public building – deliberately ugly, and designed to demoralise the public.

  84. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Sweet Hairy Ape made a beautiful curry for us both tonight. He bought it frozen in the local Up-Market Bottle Shop when we got home. The kids were happy with oven fries. He added vegetables to both feasts.

    Somehow, we muddle along. And the Cat plus two Codral have worked some magic. I’m feeling better.
    HIA is filling me a hot water bottle (my comfort when sick) and is going to put me to bed soon. He has taken care of everything else around here, and tomorrow will once more take on the world.

    My Sainted Mother would have said I should bottle him. I suppose that’s a reference to preserving.
    Boiling and vinegar comes into that, doesn’t it? Maybe I’ll pass on bottling; kiss him instead.

    He won’t kiss me. Doesn’t want to catch this. We make do with little hugs.

  85. Roger

    I love country towns, Mudgee is particularly pretty, there’s a church in the main street with a stunning spire and the clock tower,

    The clock tower is a typical piece of civic architecture, Tinta, but the church is a well proportioned example of 19th C. Gothic Revival the like of which we could barely build today in a similar context. They call it progress, I believe.

  86. Talleyrand

    A picture of the High Court of Australia reminds me of why this country is rapidly turning into a Soviet cesspit.
    That type of architecture is called Brutalism for good reasons.
    Oh England my Lionheart.

  87. twostix

    I’ve posted before about pre-federation country town Maitland’s‘s water pumping station which I think is literally more beautiful and awe inspiring than Australia‘s High Court building.

    Which, I suppose, does require some talent. Building an expensive no-expense spared building to represent an entire nations law and order that is more ugly and less appealing than a rural water works built 150 years ago is no simple task.

    Note that Walka Waterworks was designed by an engineer, not an “architect”.

  88. Fisky

    mmm corned beef, I’ve come to appreciate it after not being able to stand it as a child. Great in sandwiches, too.

    Sandwiches are disgusting. Absolutely devastating to your cholesterol.

    Another winter winner – pot roast. A big chunk of topside or whatever’s cheap, simmer on low low low in a big pot for 5 hours in red wine, a bottle of Italian sugo, cumin, paprika, chilli, salt, pepper, a few other bibs and bobs that you think might work flavour-wise, chuck your potatoes in 45 mins before serving, then carrots, onions and cauliflower 10-20 mins later….awesome. One pot wonder, and set-and-forget for the most part.

    Sounds like heart attack stew.

    On the other hand, a few days ago I had a quadruple Whopper with cheese and bacon (I combined two double Whoppers). I felt terribly guilty about the negative health effects of the bun only, but it was a necessity given the need to hold everything together.

    But everything else was very nutritious and good for the heart, albeit a little pricey for what you get.

  89. Roger

    Oh come on
    #1428222, posted on August 24, 2014 at 10:57 pm

    Re.: Corned beef and pot roast

    +1.

    For extra tenderness and flavour try doing both in a pressure cooker.

  90. Tintrella di Luna

    The same school of architecture afflicted us in Brisbane with the state library, art gallery and museum on the South Bank.

    I know Clover Less in Sydney has visted some crazy sh1t on the good burghers of Sydney but at lease we don’t have Federation Square

    Gratitude of small mercies but apparently the collared-one is going to spend poofteen million on an upside-down crate and some effing cloud arch – ratepayers weep.

  91. Oh come on

    So I was searching for an image of an extremely sinister-looking building I saw in Ulaan Baatar, Mongolia (if you ever played Command and Conquer, it looked like a Nod HQ). However, I couldn’t find an image of it. Although I did find this picture, and it made me happy. Civilisation is not in retreat everywhere.

  92. Oh come on

    Sandwiches are disgusting. Absolutely devastating to your cholesterol.

    Oh dear god you’ve gender-transitioned!

  93. twostix

    Also, every Marxist country I’ve visited has similar kinds of public building – deliberately ugly, and designed to demoralise the public

    I’ve read that brutalism is mean to humiliate and cow the people who enter the building’s presence.

    What a nice attitude for a person designing a building or public space to have: “our foremost thought when designing this block of concrete was how to most humiliate the pathetic ants that enter its glorious dark, cube shaped, concrete shadow”.

  94. Roger

    Note that Walka Waterworks was designed by an engineer, not an “architect”.

    An Italianate waterworks: well done that man, whatever his qualification!

  95. Oh come on

    A close relative of mine did the foundations on the High Court building. *ducks*

  96. Tintrella di Luna

    Note that Walka Waterworks was designed by an engineer, not an “architect”.

    I love engineers but I wonder if they are still the interface between science and technology — especially when the settled science is so … settled.

  97. .

    Federation Square is how gaia/god etc stops Melbournian arrogance from reaching dangerous levels.

  98. Roger

    A close relative of mine did the foundations on the High Court building. *ducks*

    Forgiven. He was just trying to earn a living, he didn’t design it.
    Are you Italian, oco? All the concreters I have met have been Italian.

  99. Oh come on

    No, he designed them. An engineer.

  100. Roger

    I know Clover Less in Sydney has visted some crazy sh1t on the good burghers of Sydney but at lease we don’t have Federation Square

    I’d prefer concrete brutalism – at least you can cover it up with vines.

  101. Fisky

    Oh dear god you’ve gender-transitioned!

    No, no. Over 20kg down I am more chiseled than a Caesar statue.

    Sandwiches are a homosexual abomination.

  102. Roger

    No, he designed them. An engineer.

    I’m sure he did a good job…unfortunately.

  103. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Kae, we’ve been saying how warm it is back here in Sydney, compared to down the South Coast, where the cold grabbed me till I sneezed and couldn’t stop. Urban Heat Island effect, says HIA.

  104. Oh come on

    I’d like to claim he’s *doing* the foundations in the same way that Guy Fawkes planned to do the foundations of the Houses of Parliament, but no such luck. He just designed ‘em :)

  105. Roger

    Sandwiches salads are a homosexual abomination.
    FIFW, Fisky.

  106. Oh come on

    No, no. Over 20kg down I am more chiseled than a Caesar statue.

    I think you mean an Athenian statue, you big queer. I bet your privates are similarly microscopic, too.

  107. Tintrella di Luna

    I’d prefer concrete brutalism – at least you can cover it up with vines.

    The sublime wisdome of Nature

  108. Fisky

    I think you mean an Athenian statue, you big queer. I bet your privates are similarly microscopic, too.

    You big Mary. Your culinary tastes should be banned.

  109. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I felt terribly guilty about the negative health effects of the bun only, but it was a necessity given the need to hold everything together.

    We always take the top off the bun, discard that, and eat it like an open sandwich. Can get a bit messy, but a handful of paper serviettes fixes that. It is the cakey bread that makes you feel bad after a Makka’s; cutting it in half really helps.

  110. Roger

    The sublime wisdome of Nature covers a multitude of architectural sins.
    And with that, good night!

  111. Fisky

    We always take the top off the bun, discard that, and eat it like an open sandwich.

    Very very hard to do with four layers of beef and two layers of bacon/cheese.

    I could always use a knife and fork I guess.

  112. Gab

    I love sausage and egg McMuffins. It’s the only thing Maccas does decently. And I can eat them no worries, as long as I dump the muffins.

  113. Kae

    Lizzie

    Colder here than home, and I’m noticing it, especially with the crummy weather.

    I remembered that I didn’t water my phael. orchids before I left. They’re budding madly and I don’t want to lose them!

  114. Gab

    My daffodils are in glorious bloom at the moment, Kae but orchids are finnicky and takes real skill to grow them, imo. I’ve killed one or two in my time.

  115. Beef

    Urban Heat Island effect, says HIA.

    Are you sure the temperatures haven’t been adjusted up by the BOM.

  116. twostix

    Howard not demolishing or abandoning the Australian High Court is the same as Abbott letting the commie Brendan Nelson vandalise the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier with that runt Paul Keatings meanderings.

    Who gives as shit about whatever 0.1 cent tax filberrtyjibbit bullshit they’re trying to “win” right now. It’s things like the above which actually win or lose the future of the country for one side or the other.

    Another example: the flash new Caroline Chisholm Centre (Centrelink NSO)(Centrelink National Support Office), dumped like a big load of shit in peaceful suburban , Liberal voting, Tuggeranong, Canberra.

  117. Fisky

    I love sausage and egg McMuffins. It’s the only thing Maccas does decently. And I can eat them no worries, as long as I dump the muffins.

    Exactly! Always get two of them to make up for ditching the buns.

  118. Gab

    Oh I do, Fisky but never eat them in public (messy) and only have them as a treat when I can’t be bothered to cook the usual bacon, eggs, sausages and mudrooms.

  119. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I remembered that I didn’t water my phael. orchids before I left. They’re budding madly and I don’t want to lose them!

    Fone-a-friend?

    Atishoooooooo and goodnight.

  120. Kae

    There was a bad prang on Silverwater Rd at the icy bound on ramp this evening.

    Closer to home it looks like someone took a roundabout too fast and has collected the back end of a car on the way out of the roundabout, Cooper Rd Yagoona.

    Not sure that the owner even knew it had been smashed into.

  121. Kae

    An Aussie won the Belgian Grand Prix!

  122. Beef

    bacon, eggs, sausages and mudrooms

    Nothing like a good mud bath after breakfast

  123. Gab

    lol …well I do have a cold, Beef.

  124. twostix

    Global Warming continues its relentless, unstoppable, advance:

    Darwin’s coolest August morning in 72 years
    Alice Springs shivers through unusual late-winter cold
    South Australian grain growers are looking at losing some of their crops to frost damage.
    Severe frost damage to canola and lupins in Condobolin, New South Wales

    http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/

  125. Kae

    Han

    The orchids were outside under the carport which is the same roof as the house until about six weeks ago when I noticed flower stems growing and moved them into the family room, on top of the chest freezer in the only window which gets morning sun in winter.

    I should get home in time to see the first flowers this year.

    Also, my frangipanis are coming back to life, the sap is flowing and they are clawing, I hope I may see flowers on a couple of seedlings this summer!

  126. Beef

    C’mon twostix, get with the program, it’s weather when it’s cold, climate when it’s hot.
    You will be targeted and sent to a re-education camp at one of our universities if you keep up this propaganda.

  127. twostix

    Interesting.

    The ABC who hates farmers unless they’re protesting against CSG or coal miners gives a very sympathetic airing to a farmer and his not-exactly-condemning views about the shooting of the greenie public servant at Moree:

    Cam Rowntree says the recent tragic shooting at Croppa Creek near Moree is exactly that, a terrible tragedy.

    But he says this event should not have come as a huge surprise, that the nearly two decade long fight over native vegetation legislation has caused farmers untold stress and mental anguish and the recent events bear this out.

    A farmer near Walgett in the north west of NSW, Cam Rowntree says the current drought conditions are creating huge problems for landholders in his region but the impacts of native legislation restrictions cannot be ignored.

    No ABC luvvie editorialising or spin around what is a most sympathetic opinion to the shooting. What’s the deal with that?
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-21/fighting-drought-and-native-veg-legislation/5686768

  128. Kae

    Oh, I checked out friends’ garden on the tablelands on the way to Sydney and the daffs and jonquils are already flowering – and it was freezing there at 6c at 9pm. Brrr!

    My jasmine at home is flowering.

  129. talleyrand

    I make a terrible white sauce; full of lumps. I try, I really do try, but always end up straining it

    Make sure you are using full cream milk that is cold from the fridge (Julia Childs says warm, but you need enough time for the roux to disperse thru the milk.

    If you use low fat milk it is likely to curdle, same with custard, and other milk sauces, the more fat the less likely milk will curdle, even though you have heaps from the butter of the roux it still seems to make a difference.

    Or try olive oil bechamel for a change to the warmth of Provence .

    See Link

  130. Scruton is very good on the role that architecture and planning play in our culture.

  131. twostix

    C’mon twostix, get with the program, it’s weather when it’s cold, climate when it’s hot.
    You will be targeted and sent to a re-education camp at one of our universities if you keep up this propaganda.

    Remember when the leading scientists at the CSIRO and universities said it would never rain again? And so building dams was futile and we needed to spend billions on building desalination plants? Which Labor duly did.

    Barry O’Farrell on the other hand resigned over a bottle of wine.

    The Liberals aren’t very interested in this whole “politics” thing, I don’t think.

  132. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Kae at 11:35 pm:

    “There was a bad prang on Silverwater Rd at the icy bound on ramp this evening.

    Closer to home it looks like someone took a roundabout too fast and has collected the back end of a car on the way out of the roundabout, Cooper Rd Yagoona.”

    kae – they opened the first McDonalds in Australia at Yagoona, in 1971 – up the hill west of the station I think.

  133. twostix

    Theory: The green left are going to give up resisting changes and repeals of the various vegetation acts. Anti-CSG and mining is where it’s at now and they need farmers support for that.

  134. Armadillo

    A close relative of mine did the foundations on the High Court building

    Mrs A’s grandfather built this (the bridge, not the clock tower).

    http://www.worldofstock.com/slides/TAG1170.jpg

  135. Beef

    From your link twostix’s

    The NSW Minister for Natural Resources, Land and Water Kevin Humphries told a general assembly at the recent NSW Farmers annual conference the (sic) changing the law is going to be very complex and fraught with difficulty.

    What shithouse grammar by the ABC dolt Sally Bryant. No editors obviously.
    Who is, Land and Water Kevin Humphries? And why the fraught with difficulty, is he afraid of beheading by crazy greenies.

  136. Armadillo

    That’s pretty cool stuff Dover.

  137. Kae

    Correct, Muck.

    It’s gone now, a solicitor’s office now it think – or a workshop.

    One of my besties used to live near the Yagoona bowls club (site of my wedding reception), her house is gone and a huge block of units has replaced it. The bowls club was sold by the Sports Club (we always said it was unviable after Dad fell off the bar, er, perch), and it’s been torn down too.

    There’s now an Aldi at Bass Hill, near Twin Stcks pub.

  138. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Beef at 12:04 am:

    “From your link twostix’s

    The NSW Minister for Natural Resources, Land and Water Kevin Humphries told a general assembly at the recent NSW Farmers annual conference the (sic) changing the law is going to be very complex and fraught with difficulty.”

    The link reports:

    “Cam Rowntree was in the audience at that gathering.

    “Yes, I heard what Kevin said at the conference, and I’ve discussed the matter with him privately as well.

    “I don’t care how hard it is, I just want it fixed.”
    “We can’t run our farms effectively when our hands are tied by legislation.”

    This sounds like the Minister has been Stockholm syndromed by the lawyers.

    A minister worth his chubby wage would summons the department’s chief legal officer, the State solicitor and the parliamentary draftsman and command them to un-difficultise the legislation pronto, which wouldn’t be that hard because they wrote it in the first place which was not so long ago. The drought cannot be averted but fixing the man made stuff to suit is a cinch.

    Here is yet another example of government serving itself before serving the people who employ it.

  139. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Kae at 12:20 am:

    “Correct, Muck.

    It’s gone now …

    One of my besties used to live near the Yagoona bowls club (site of my wedding reception), her house is gone and a huge block of units has replaced it. The bowls club was sold by the Sports Club (we always said it was unviable after Dad fell off the bar, er, perch), and it’s been torn down too.

    There’s now an Aldi at Bass Hill, near Twin Stcks pub.”

    Only went to the Twin Willows a couple of times because it was outside our “territory”, where we were tribal princes. I think it was there that they had a Formula One type racing car suspended from the ceiling in the main bar. I don’t recall what occupied the Aldi site.

    There was a motor registry up near there where I was tested for my first licence on Christmas Eve in another century.

  140. Armadillo

    which wouldn’t be that hard because they wrote it in the first place which was not so long ago.

    Hammer hits nail. The Government is elected by the people to run the country.The public servants are just mostly tax eaters employed by the previous government to stop them. Who’s in charge here?

  141. Kae

    Muck

    The shopping centre was built on vacant land next to twin sticks (on my bloody iPhone so no caps), might be where the drive in was? Is it still there?

    There was a lot of vacant land there when I was living here 30 years ago.

    Mum’s at ‘unter’s ‘ill. Crikey, those lanes on the road on the north side are narrow!

  142. Kae

    Chullora motor registry, opposite the rail yards where my Nanna used to work.

    Down the road from the huge print works for the papers.

    I think they may have closed too.

    All that land occupied by the Chullora railyard has been built on.

  143. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Kae at 1:19 am:

    “Chullora motor registry, opposite the rail yards … All that land occupied by the Chullora railyard has been built on.”

    This is like a Leyland Brothers documentary – kae mentions a familiar place name and I, imitating Jason Bourne’s handlers back in New York City, belt it out on the keyboard and zoom in with Maps and Images to have a Captain Cook and say “Wow! Oh, wait, that’s where Jacko lived.”

    Trezz amusing.

  144. westie woman

    The Twin Willows?

    Oh dear, a very bad memory…

    Fainted in the ladies loo, in a cubicle, while hugely pregnant (due one week earlier) and some poor bloke had to unscrew the door of the cubicle to get me out…I was stuck hard

    At a wedding reception on a hot summer night and definitely not drunk!

    While we’re travelogging – Bass Hill Shopping Centre has a great deli – lovely people serving and a wonderful range of everything you could want

  145. Ros

    Possibly a stretch, but did Obama actually cause James Foley’s death.

    Breitbart highlights report in Sunday Times. The attempted rescue was based on human intelligence, not satellite photos or intercepted communications. Which, it is reasonable to assume, made the planned operation, or that the US was looking to do something for the hostages, more vulnerable to detection by the bad guys.

    Foley was moved just days before raid took place. The US forces were ready to go for 30 days, and asking to go, before Obama agreed to them going. Then they killed him, after 2? years, and as far as we know, just after the only attempt to rescue. They said because of US bombing raids.

    Breitbart even unkindly suggested that he delayed in part because his rescue would have made a good 4th July announcement, less valuable than an announcement in early June.

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