The neo-cons are back, baby.

Well according to the Wall Street Journal anyway.

So now liberals want the U.S. to bomb Iraq, and maybe Syria as well, to stop and defeat ISIS, the vilest terror group of all time. Where, one might ask, were these neo-neocons a couple of years ago, when stopping ISIS in its infancy might have spared us the current catastrophe?

Oh, right, they were dining at the table of establishment respectability, drinking from the fountain of opportunistic punditry, hissing at the sound of the names Wolfowitz, Cheney, Libby and Perle.

The bottom line we’re being told is this:

Which brings us back to the questions confronting the Bush administration on Sept. 12, 2001. Are we going to fight terrorists over there—or are we going to wait for them to come here? Do we choose to confront terrorism by means of war—or as a criminal justice issue? Can we assume the cancer in the Middle East won’t spread so we can “pivot” to Asia and do some more “nation-building at home”? Can we win with a light-footprint approach against a heavy-footprint enemy?

Say what you will about George W. Bush: He got every one of these questions right while Mr. Obama got every one of them wrong.

Well, maybe not. I’m not convinced that Bush got all those questions right. Especially the “light-footprint approach against a heavy-footprint enemy” part. Waging war is expensive and the US (initially) tried to fight on the cheap – that led to problems down the track.

As I heard over the weekend, the drums of war are beating in the US and some European capitals. So watch this space.

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96 Responses to The neo-cons are back, baby.

  1. Token

    The left are once again beating their drums of war like they did during the Clinton years, especially after the Rawanda genocide.

  2. Pyrmonter

    Bush Jnr was inept; his successor however is competing well in the stakes for pursuing the least successful US foreign policy of the post war period. Given the competition – Truman who lost China, Ford who presided (unwillingly) over the collapse of SE Asia (and, in the case of Cambodia, its descent into the hands of genocidal tyrants) and the loss to leftist activists of overseas Portugal with disastrous results; and Carter’s fiascoes in South America and central Asia, that takes some doing.

  3. Alfonso

    ISIS is a small armed group of about 30,000. The US can easily wage successful war by air on such a small group.
    The GBU has revolutionised air strikes. No IEDs, more losses from aircraft engine failure than enemy fire.
    ISIS is not the Taliban who can disappear by becoming farmers under pressure.

  4. philip j. fry

    Hah .. good try but when history is visited in the future, the left will ensure all the ME failures are laid at the feet of the Bush family

  5. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I wish that more was being done to fight this war at home. In Australia, recognize Muslim immigration as a problem, and adjust our intake so that other groups are preferenced on the basis of a stronger need (Christians severely at risk of forced conversion or death; you can’t get more needy than that). Stop pandering to Muslim super-sensitivities at home, especially concerning Sharia and FGM and polygamy, and require more acceptance of Australian ways: many religions, individual choices, but one Western-heritage National culture etc. Use existing laws (or tougher ones) to target extremism on the internet and in ‘bookshops’. Team Australia is not a bad concept to use as long as team membership is not optional. Abbott has had one go at the soft pedal with that, failing abysmally. The much harder pedal should now be applied. Yes, we do need to target elements of the Muslim population regarding terrorism. Those enjoying the fruits of our National culture should willingly assist us in this instead of complaining about it. Australia is in no mood for pussy-footing around (listen in the shopping centres and schools); more power to our security services, fewer leftist voices.

  6. Cold-Hands

    Given how the LNP has only one seat with a sizeable Muslim population, it is up to them to reset the immigration debate to promote policies that favour cultural groups that will assimilate into wider Australia without calling for the introduction of Sharia law. The ALP will never have the bottle to even discuss the issue- they’re hostage to the Western Sydney seats and are unable to place the national interest above self-interest.
    As for ISIS, if the Western nations intervene militarily, we can expect to see the RAAF and perhaps Australian Special Forces offered to contribute.

  7. C.L.

    Bush Jnr was inept

    No he wasn’t.

    He protected the US from a homeland attack and won the Iraq War.

    We haven’t seen anything like Obama since those traitors Roosevelt and Truman gave Europe to the Soviets – advised, as they were, by KGB agents; as we now know.

  8. C.L.

    As for ISIS, they don’t rate as a military force.

    Chopping the heads off little old ladies is no substitute for warfare prowess.

    The Americans would destroy all of them in about a month.

    If that.

  9. Pyrmonter

    CL – with Roosevelt, I incline to agree. I doubt though that Truman had much ability to reverse events in Europe. The more often overlooked disaster was the surrender of China to an evil fate.

    EB – it is surprising how short historical memory can be. It isn’t that long ago that a fratricidal war between calvinists, lutherans and romanists reduced the population of central Europe by a third. Something about casting the first stone comes to mind when we seek to condemn a billion people for their religious conviction.

  10. Ant

    US Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney on Fox was saying that the US should be at ‘DEFCON 1′ and says that ISIS terrorists have already infiltrated the US’s southern border with Mexico and may be awaiting for ‘go’ on a coordinated attack – possibly on 9/11.

    We’ll see I suppose.

    What’s painfully clear, however, is that Obama couldn’t care less about this issue given numerous examples of his bungling domestically or internationally.

    Take his behaviour with the disaster now occuring down south and 10s of thousands of illegal immigrants flooding across. He continues to encourage it through his lapdogs in his administration, the media and the DOJ. (The DC Republicans are almost as culpable as Obama in this respect.)

    What about Obama’s sweetheart deal with 5 mass murdering Islamonuts released in exchange for the deserter, Bergdahl? I wonder where those guys are now. Playing ping pong?

    What about his release of the Iraqi insurgency leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who parted ways with is American captors saying “See you in New York”?

    Obama is totally ill-equipped to handle it.

    Maybe if ISIS/ISIL/IS were prepared to settle it over 18 holes at The Pines they could work it all out.

    At some stage America is going to need a Curtis LeMay and not an inattentive and lazy pipsqueak.

  11. Chris M

    Never seen a definition of ‘neo-con’ or explanation of its origin. Some sort of sneering lefty term I take it?

    Mohammadans have always been fighting; in the west it is obvious this is an intentionally created situation as immigration of these violent kaffirs has ramped up massively in the past 15 years.

  12. Adrian

    a small armed group of about 30,000

    what’s large?

  13. incoherent rambler

    As for ISIS, they don’t rate as a military force.

    I am a little more reserved on this. IF the USA takes on IS in the ME, then you will find out the true numbers and capability of their forces in the ME, Europe and the US.

  14. C.L.

    I remember before combat began in Iraq there were all these stories and warnings about Saddam’s Revolutionary Guard – badass killers likely to inflict massive casualties, we were told.

    They were all dead inside a week.

  15. stackja

    In August of 1939, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression treaty. One week later, Germany invaded Poland and World War II began.
    linky Left supported Hitler and Stalin.

  16. C.L.

    IF the USA takes on IS in the ME, then you will find out the true numbers and capability of their forces in the ME, Europe and the US.

    How big is their air force? How many tanks and APCs do they have? How many JDAMS or MOABS? How many night goggles and drones? How many satellites?

    They’re a bunch of fags who’d be exterminated in very short order.

  17. stackja

    In August of 1939, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression treaty. One week later, Germany invaded Poland and World War II began.
    linky

    Left supported Hitler and Stalin.

  18. .

    This is hardly neoconservatism.

  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Something about casting the first stone comes to mind when we seek to condemn a billion people for their religious conviction.

    I’m not ‘condemning’ them for their convictions. I just don’t want these convictions, and the various schisms and upheavals these often still-7th Century convictions entail, visited upon my country. Christianity, thankfully, got over that a long time ago; I have read my history too. I’ve also made a particular study of the C5th to C7th as the Roman Empire decayed into collapse, the Pax Romana ideal disappeared and beheading and killing mayhem from still pagan Nordics and newly-Islamic tribes ran riot in various lands, while Christian fanatics did their best to destroy many good things of the recent civilisations until their excesses were somewhat reigned in by history and time. Don’t tell me history and tolerance; sort it out somewhere else, not here. If here, then join in the with tolerance that comes with modernity.

    Straw men, Dot. Not a good look.

  20. C.L.

    It’s very exactly neo-conservatism.

    The term was originally used to describe Democrats and liberals (as an epithet) who had shifted slightly to the right – especially on foreign policy.

  21. C.L.

    Something about casting the first stone comes to mind when we seek to condemn a billion people for their religious conviction.

    Nothing about that parable comes to mind.

    Except that Muslims are the only people on earth literally stoning women to death.

  22. thefrollickingmole

    Im still of the opinion I will live long enough to see Israel sold out to the Islamothugs and a new genocide.

    The ALP is showing what happens in politics if you use religion as a meter by which you make policy positions, if anything the EU is further down that path.

  23. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Sorry Dot. It was Pyrmonter. Blame my sniffling cold, or just my usual flighty focus.

  24. stackja

    One religion says:

    However, when they persisted with their question, He raised Himself up and said, Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.

    While another still wants to throw a stone at her.

  25. stackja

    thefrollickingmole
    #1430178, posted on August 26, 2014 at 1:11 pm
    Im still of the opinion I will live long enough to see Israel sold out to the Islamothugs and a new genocide.

    The ALP is showing what happens in politics if you use religion as a meter by which you make policy positions, if anything the EU is further down that path.

    Israel will go down fighting. And how much of the Mid East be left?

  26. cynical1

    The biggest problem is guerilla warfare in Europe.

    The “Caliphate” is not a problem.

    Find a large contingent of ISIS, drop a MOAB to show them just how weak they are militarily.

    Mumbai style stuff in London or LA.

    Now that is a problem…

  27. Toiling Mass

    Perhaps Obama has finally realised the truth his doing something is worse than his doing nothing – unprecedented clusterfuck that he is.

    Perhaps a little domestic crisis, such as discovering that the First Wookie has used his golf clubs to make kebabs with whole sides of sheep, would give him (and the rest of the world) an out. He could step down to spend time with those he loves most (woods and irons) – supposing chip-snatching bat-winged fury of a wife of his can be decoyed away by hiding chocolate cakes at various places around the city.

    I feel better now.

  28. Toiling Mass

    …supposing his chip-snatching…

  29. JC

    Really good piece by Brett Stephens in commentary.

    Destroys the Kenyan.

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/the-meltdown/

  30. stackja

    Liberty Quotes
    The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it.
    — Ayn Rand

  31. Token

    We haven’t seen anything like Obama since those traitors Roosevelt and Truman gave Europe to the Soviets…

    I’ve been reading about how the same naive Americans totally screwed up China after WW2 when they had the whip hand which would’ve seen the ChiComs smashed before they could even get their campaigns started. Marshall really does come out to appear like a vain fool.

  32. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Im still of the opinion I will live long enough to see Israel sold out to the Islamothugs and a new genocide.

    Da Hairy Irish Ape is very pro-Israel. Not Jewish, nor am I, but he was so impressed with Masada when he went there while on a Trade Mission, and he likes all that Israel stands for. So much so that he said late last night that we should go and live there and join in with the front line, because Israel must never fall. What! I exclaimed, horrified at the thought of going anywhere near the ME mess with our children – and at the mean little flat that a spare million dollars (in Shekels) would buy in Tel Aviv (he was onto it on da web). We wouldn’t sell up everything here, he assured me.

    You can’t be serious? I said flatly. No, he wasn’t. It was just a dream of action, rather like wanting to become a train driver when he retires from being a corporate warrior.

    It made me think though that there is not a ready-made constituency of fighters prepared to flock to Israel’s side in the way that there is with ISIS.

    I sincerely hope Israel can keep up its defenses, given that the left is demolishing support in the West.

  33. Token

    Really good piece by Brett Stephens in commentary.

    I thought the Brazil analogy was great, except for the fact the US actually has the firepower Brazil possessed.

  34. stackja

    cynical1
    #1430191, posted on August 26, 2014 at 1:25 pm
    The biggest problem is guerilla warfare in Europe.

    The “Caliphate” is not a problem.

    Find a large contingent of ISIS, drop a MOAB to show them just how weak they are militarily.

    Mumbai style stuff in London or LA.

    Now that is a problem…

    House to house fighting in London or LA will clear a lot of inner-city neighourhoods.

  35. stackja

    And there was Israel: “We thought it would be the United States that would lead the campaign against Iran,” Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon noted in March in a speech at Tel Aviv University. Instead, Obama was “showing weakness,” he added. “Therefore, on this matter, we have to behave as though we have nobody to look out for us but ourselves.”
    The Meltdown – 09.01.14 – 12:00 AM | Bret Stephens

  36. cynical1

    House to house fighting in London or LA will clear a lot of inner-city neighourhoods.

    Yeah, and a car bomb in Wall St will clear a lot of investment…

  37. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Marshall really does come out to appear like a vain fool.

    What title were you reading?

  38. Toiling Mass

    House to house fighting in London or LA will clear a lot of inner-city neighourhoods.

    If you parked a tank in these neighbourhoods it would find it up on blocks with the tracks missing, the turret stolen, and covered in graffiti.

  39. Dr Faustus

    Watch this space indeed.

    IS is not going to gradually settle down, become a legitimate state, worry about economic development and aspire to joining the UN. It’s going to go right on being violently militant.

    al-Baghdadi and his chums have 30,000 heavily armed nutters, billions of hard currency, piss-weak neighbours, an instruction book sanctioned by Allah and the fascinated attention of the world. How ever could they stop the jihad?

    The US and the free world is going to have to go to war with Islam in a way we have not seen since Saladin was a lad.

  40. David

    Im still of the opinion I will live long enough to see Israel sold out to the Islamothugs and a new genocide

    To paraphrase Golda Meir – “Our secret weapon is that the Jews have nowhere else to go”.

    Sadly I think that is true but if push comes to serious shove expect the Middle East to glow for centuries as Israel will not go down without one hell of a fight and there will be a long line in the “virgin collection queue. Lizzie the West needs more people like your HIA – as an aside can you 18C a spouse? If yes bear in mind what was done to a 13 year old at a football match and don’t upset him.

  41. David

    And in like style from Golda

    The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight

    The Arabs have a poor grasp of historical lessons and one thing they should have realised by now that while it may be small Israel packs a huge punch.

  42. Notafan

    Isis has a lot of friends in Syria and Iraq local Sunnis who were happy to jump on the bandwagon and pillage rape and kill their long time yadizi, Christian and other sundry neighbours.
    The collaborators must number quite a few.
    Though IShave implemented sharia in raqqa with lapidation executions, crucifixion, hand removals etc they haven’t gone full sharia in Mosul.
    I think a lot of Sunni who agree to full sharia in principle reel back from what it is reality. Removal of IS might be a shortterm period of gratitude before the victim of the wicked west starts again.
    If they bring it to the streets of Europe they will have to be ruthlessly squashed.
    I’d be gaoling and deporting all known sympathizers and their families and closing mosques where jihad is preached. Treat them like you would communists cells.
    As for El-bashar not saying that the guy is a saint but with the depth of Sunni shia hatred and their absolute willingess to shed each others blood who can stop them?

  43. karl

    My friend and work colleague in Arizona sent this link the other day re USA statism under Obama. Well worth the 7 minutes to watch
    http://safeshare.tv/w/EDBZOvVlia

  44. Notafan

    Forgot the slave market is back in raqqa.
    I wonder how Khaled Sharrouf’s aussie convert wife is enjoying raqqa or did she drink the kool aid?
    His daughters must be old enough to have be married under Sharia too.

  45. stackja

    cynical1
    #1430205, posted on August 26, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    House to house fighting in London or LA will clear a lot of inner-city neighourhoods.

    Yeah, and a car bomb in Wall St will clear a lot of investment…

    Upsetting Wall St is not recommended. Wall Street may fund a private army.

  46. Fisky

    Saudi foreign minister: we must denounce our hatred toward Israel and begin normalize ties with Jewish nation

    One of the unintended consequences of Obama’s useless presidency has been a realisation by most Arab states that there are worse things in the world than the Jews having their own state.

  47. karl

    CL-the US of A could defeat ISIS in a week as you suggest but not if they try and appease the media and win a war with one hand behind their back. Heading into a war where you are trying to not have any collateral fall out is impossible. Can you imagine WW11 being fought trying to not kill civilians?

    The USA tried to win a war while keeping people onside who were never going to be onside in the 1st place. I include most of the American media in that group.

  48. incoherent rambler

    Islamofascissm – resistance is futile, you will be assimilated.

  49. Gab

    IS wants SA real bad.

    They are welcome to Tasmania too.

  50. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I wonder how Khaled Sharrouf’s aussie convert wife is enjoying raqqa or did she drink the kool aid?

    Do these “aussie converts” really understand that deciding Islam is no longer cool, and walking away, isn’t really an option?

  51. cynical1

    Pathetic.

    FBI to guard airports.

    English ones!

    Churchill just did a 360 degree spin in his mausoleum…

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/08/fbi-counter-terror-agents-to-guard-uk-airports-against-islamic-jihadis

  52. cynical1

    Upsetting Wall St is not recommended. Wall Street may fund a private army.

    If they were going after ISIS full on, I’d kick in myself…

  53. Speedbox

    al-Baghdadi and his chums have 30,000 heavily armed nutters…..

    The US and the free world is going to have to go to war with Islam……

    Agree Dr. But it won’t be easy and it won’t be quick. Islamic doctrine demands that Muslims band together to face aggression, particularly when fighting against non-believers.

    What will start relatively slowly will gain momentum like a snowball down a mountain.

    As a footnote, I am in bewidered by those who seem to be apologists or otherwise disregard the realities of IS and fundamentalist Islam. Those people are likely to be the very ones who will be decapitated first in the event of a Islamic Australia.

  54. Clam Chowdah

    al-Baghdadi and his chums have 30,000 heavily armed nutters, billions of hard currency, piss-weak neighbours, an instruction book sanctioned by Allah and the fascinated attention of the world. How ever could they stop the jihad?

    “You come for the Kuwaiti gold, yes?”

    “We come for the Kuwaiti gold: yes.”

  55. squawkbox

    Pyrmonter, I like the comparison with the 30 Years War. While there can and should be endless disagreements on the specifics, the main point is that things will almost certainly get much worse and will go on for much longer than we think.

    As far as Western policy goes. I just hope we have contingency plans to seize the Saudi and Kuwaiti oilfields when the various Islamoloons turn their attention in their direction.

  56. rickw

    The West needs to realize that shitty, crappy and dangerous cultures exist in the world, and that they should be treated with the complete contempt that they deserve.

    We have been going through this ludicrous kumbaya idiocy that were all human and all the same. The Islamists continue to demonstrate graphically that this is not the case.

    Hopefully we can then conclude that some Total War is the solution:

    - Make a nice little box for IS to play in, and free other like minded souls to go and play with them.
    - Send them all to Allah as graphically and as publicly as possible.
    - Then have a chat with the Saudi’s about their toxic Wahhibist export program, complete with list of those deserving special attention.

  57. Notafan

    Sunni and Shia 1400 years of calling each other takfiri killing each other, undertaking wars of agression and blaming the Jews who apparently are backing which ever sect the particular anti semetic isn’t a member of.
    In between raping pillaging plundering Christians as far as they could reach or as uthman badar says fighting wars of jihad and liberating lands.
    They will keep fighting to infinity and beyond.

  58. cohenite

    ISIS isn’t the problem; nor any of the other violent forms of islam; they are symptoms which is not yet recognised amongst the political class in the West, as indicated by certain commentators here.

    The problem is islam itself; see video which outlines the future for the West.

  59. Paul

    Bush Jnr was inept

    No he wasn’t.

    He protected the US from a homeland attack and won the Iraq War.

    I assume you also think Alice in Wonderland was a documentary?

  60. thefrollickingmole

    Beardie weirdie writes a “comments are free” piece at the Gruinaid… Its not going well for him. Even the bolshies are a little sick of them.

    Uthman Badar, who was embroiled in controversy earlier this year over his Festival of Dangerous Ideas talk on “honour” killings, also fell prey to the twin forces of condemnation-toleration. He made the cardinal mistake of intending to speak while Muslim, albeit irresponsibly, and within a short few hours had been publicly crucified, as has become common practice. More telling though, and frightening, was the response from some Muslim leaders who obediently performed this ritual, publicly condemning the speaker, the group he belonged to, and in fact any and all “bad” Muslims.

  61. outsider

    Israel won’t go down in any foreseeable context – too much firepower and weaponry and determination. They know how to act alone as well, so if abandoned will do the business alone.

    There will be plenty of military in the US champing at the bit to get at the IS lot. Just say ‘yes’ and it will be over in a few weeks.

  62. thefrollickingmole

    Im not as confident about Israel, if enough useful idiots vote for their governments to effectively pull off the boycott/divest bit then they are in the shit.

    South Vietnam was holding out till the US was finally persuaded to stop supporting their armed forces with spares and training. And regardless of what you think of the old South African regime, they had far greater resources than Israel and still went under eventually.

    The “Samson option” will be voted away and Israel destroyed

  63. Notafan

    Uthman Badar the self appointed representive of an organisation banned as a terrorist organisation in several countries, who is supported how? By the Australian taxpayer presumably.
    The same uthman badar that praises islamic warmongering and jihad. The same uthman badar that encourages muslims to arise for the imminent caliphate? The same uthman badar who told us about the idyllic life of people enslaved by muslims, treated like a member of the family, everybody knows that!
    Why is he here?
    Asio don’t come knocking on your door simply because you are a muslim, we’ve seen the movie read the book we aren’t falling for your weasel words anyone..
    The trouble maker, the terrorist urger, the perennial victim.

  64. Ellen of Tasmania

    karl
    #1430236, posted on August 26, 2014 at 2:20 pm
    My friend and work colleague in Arizona sent this link the other day re USA statism under Obama. Well worth the 7 minutes to watch
    http://safeshare.tv/w/EDBZOvVlia

    Karl, it’s well produced, but do you really think the conservatives are conservative enough to be the answer to the statist problem? Look at our Liberal party here. So many statists, so little liberty.

  65. .

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    #1430172, posted on August 26, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Straw men, Dot. Not a good look.

    Indeed Lizzie, especially when I approve of military intervention, now get your head out of your arse.

  66. .

    C.L.,

    There is more than one strain of neoconservativism. There are some who came around as liberals on economic policy but realised a progressive approach to social policy was unsaleable.

    In any instance, there are several explanations or schools of thought with their own raison d’etre as to why the need to military intervene in Iraq.

    Globalism and the balance of power are two trite examples.

  67. David

    now get your head out of your arse

    Dot the talk here can be somewhat robust but that is no way to speak to a lady. Shows a definite lack of class.

    Kol tuv

  68. .

    I will not abide by any cheap tricks, by anyone.

  69. David

    You are well entitled to dispute what you consider to be cheap tricks.
    Your response still shows a lack of class/manners.

  70. Notafan

    More recent stories indicate women have been sold as sex slaves in Iraq (not to mention the girls taken by Boko Haram)
    Could uthman badar come along and extol the virtues of being an islamist’s
    sex slave again?

    July story on Syrian slave market

  71. .

    David
    #1430357, posted on August 26, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    Wrong.

  72. Sirocco

    #1430179, posted on August 26, 2014 at 1:13 pm
    Sorry Dot. It was Pyrmonter. Blame my sniffling cold, or just my usual flighty focus

    You can now apologise Dot.

  73. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Adrian
    #1430159, posted on August 26, 2014 at 12:50 pm
    a small armed group of about 30,000

    what’s large?

    The Wehrmacht.
    The Red Army.
    The Imperial Japanese Army.

  74. Steve Shailer park

    It’s quite plain to me that this is the time to strike and destroy and demoralise the Muslim terrorist’s . They have stuck there head up and now is the time to strike. They only respect power if you show them they are weak and cowardly they will go back and hide under the rock they came from. All we need is a strong leader Abbott? certainly not Obama who reminds me of Nero.

  75. rebel with cause

    I suppose you can’t put it past the left to support a war against ISIS while continuing to berate Israel for its actions against Hamas.

  76. slackster

    And who funded ISIS?

    Obama’s presidency

    Why do you think he is so upset at Egypt and UAE bombed Islamic terrorists in Libya?

  77. incoherent rambler

    They only respect power if you show them they are weak and cowardly …

    To screams of racist, I have always maintained that the islamic culture of the ME respects a bully.
    As it was first described to me – “they will run and stand behind the guy with the biggest (choose one of sword, gun, bomb, club)”.

  78. Notafan

    Was reading about how quickly the region mentioned in the slave market link fell to isis when they came back with captured iraqI weapons and yes it seems it is all about hiding behind the strong man.
    However when the options are cower or die, cowering can seem a reasonable option.

  79. tomix

    Never seen a definition of ‘neo-con’ or explanation of its origin. Some sort of sneering lefty term I take it?

    Did i read somewhere that they were all originally Marxists before coming over to the dark side?

    Australia might have a couple of those types, as well.

  80. Aristogeiton

    tomix
    #1430420, posted on August 26, 2014 at 7:35 pm

    As I understand, it is generally used in the pejorative sense to describe conservatives who have an interventionist foreign policy.

  81. tomix

    Gay North on the origins of the Neocons- http://archive.lewrockwell.com/north/north180.html

    ….. calls by neoconservatives to make the state non-messianic, but somehow without cutting its budget back to the level of Egyptian tyranny under Joseph: 20% of income (Genesis 41:34), and then back to the tyranny of Israel’s king: 10% (I Samuel 8:14, 17). In fact, we want to do even better than that.

  82. Aristogeiton

    Gary North is a nutter.

  83. tomix

    Conservatives don’t have an interventionist foreign policy.

    They prefer to mind their own business.

  84. tomix

    Gary North has accurately described who the Neocons are, where they came from, and how they came to power.

  85. .

    No Sirroco. I’ll tell you what I’ll do.

    I’ll accept Lizzie’s most gracious apology.

    There’s one sumbitch I call Sir here, and he is a bald, fascist gnome.

  86. .

    Gary North has his good moments. He is still worth reading. If 1/100 articles he writes may be dubious, just ignore it and take in some analysis, wisdom or something of interest from the 99 other articles.

  87. .

    Notafan
    #1430361, posted on August 26, 2014 at 5:41 pm
    More recent stories indicate women have been sold as sex slaves in Iraq (not to mention the girls taken by Boko Haram)
    Could uthman badar come along and extol the virtues of being an islamist’s
    sex slave again?

    July story on Syrian slave market

    This is why in part I don’t consider bombing ISIS etc to be “neoconservative”.

    This is part of ordinary police work that we expect civilised nations to cooperate on. This also justified the initial cause for war in Afghanistan. If civilian police cannot investigate a case or apprehend suspects due to armed resistance, then why is it wrong and slur worthy to take up arms?

  88. Roger

    stackja
    #1430180, posted on August 26, 2014 at 1:15 pm
    One religion says:
    However, when they persisted with their question, He raised Himself up and said, Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.
    While another still wants to throw a stone at her.

    Western Christianity exports medical missionaries like Dr Kent Brantley who exposed himself to Ebola whilst treating its sufferers in west Africa.
    Western Islam exports terrorists like Khaled Sharrouf and the rapper beheader.
    How long before our intelligentsia realise which religion is on the side of humanity & civilisation?

  89. Fisky

    How long before our intelligentsia realise which religion is on the side of humanity & civilisation?

    It’s not a matter of realisation. They don’t care, for instance, that Israel is one of the biggest producers of vital generic medicines in the world, and a leading innovator in surgical techniques, because they are not about competence and civilisation, but rather equality and levelling. That Israel is unequal with its neighbours (which is entirely the Arabs’ fault) is offensive to the intelligentsia, and destroying Israel is vital to achieving equality in their eyes.

  90. thefrollickingmole

    See this is the sort of reason Israel will be eliminated.

    The Palestinian government has urged foreign states with citizens serving in the Israeli military to investigate them for alleged war crimes committed during the current war in Gaza.

    Riad al-Malki, the Palestinian foreign minister, wrote to the governments of the UK, US, France, Australia, Canada, South Africa and five Latin American countries on Tuesday, reminding them that all states are obliged under international law to investigate alleged violations, including war crimes, committed by their nationals. Malki said that governments should warn their citizens that they could be liable for investigation and prosecution.

  91. Papachango

    There will be plenty of military in the US champing at the bit to get at the IS lot. Just say ‘yes’ and it will be over in a few weeks.
    How big is their air force? How many tanks and APCs do they have? How many JDAMS or MOABS? How many night goggles and drones? How many satellites?
    They’re a bunch of fags who’d be exterminated in very short order.

    Fuck no. Don’t underestimate these nutters. They’re very, very dangerous. yes of course the US would shit all over them in a conventional war, but these guys don’t fight conventional wars.
    Despite being completely barbaric nutjobs, they are a slick operation who are masters at recruitment, marketing and social media. They even publish annual reports and glossy jihadist magazines FFS.
    They actually want the US to attack, and they are nutty enough that they don’t give a fuck if tens of thousands of them are killed, because they know it will be their best recruiting tool, and they’ll get a million more to sign up.
    Anyway, in the west now we’ve completely lost the will to stand up to these pricks. The best we can probably do is protect ourselves in our own countries (though I don’t support taking away liberties for this). We can’t even manage this with all our politically correct crap about ‘Muslim inclusiveness’.

    Sorry to say, but I think we are fucked. ISIS or some other organization will take over and will rule us eventually, possibly in my lifetime. About the only satisfaction I’ll get is knowing that self righteous f-wits like say Lee Rhiannon, David Marr or the Queers for Palestine will be the first to be shot when Sharia law takes over.

  92. .

    ISIS or some other organization will take over and will rule us eventually, possibly in my lifetime.

    No.

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