Thursday Forum: August 28, 2014

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  1. Rabz

    The little things this government does and nobody knows about.

    Ease up, Squire, you’re starting to sound like “Team Australia” stackja.

    There’s probably a few tax increases they’ve also sneaked through recently that “nobody knows about”.

  2. twostix

    You dishonest little fuck. No. Freedom of expression for all. Freedom to contract, exclude, insult and aggravate.

    And a pony?

    I’m still waiting to hear if you’ll withhold support of the government expanding its power over marriage and the people unless all the discrimination laws, etc are repealed first.
    I, on the other hand don’t run into this dichotomy which seems to cause such pain for “Libertarians”. I support the state getting out of marriage and simply recognising contract law between adults, not further expanding and entrenching itself and arresting bakers.

    Easy as pie.

    libertarianism, you should try it.

  3. MartinG

    Aristogeiton
    #1433455, posted on August 29, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    MartinG
    #1433448, posted on August 29, 2014 at 9:55 pm

    FFS Will you all stop this shit about UKIP. They are independent of any party and what you are reading is left wing propaganda.

    Yes, but their economic policies are far to the left of the LDP. That’s the point. I don’t know what you think follows from their ‘independence’.

    They don’t have economic polices as such.They have mission statements and prime among these is to get out of the EU. It stands to reason this would allow the UK to trade with the rest of the world without the shackles of daft socialist restrictions. It by definition cannot adopt protectionist policies. The protectionist policies of the EU is one of the reasons UKIP want to leave the EU.

    The UK would effectively be a free trade zone right on the edge of the fascist EU. Now can you see why they are hated by the left wing press and the cesspit of Marxist inspired bureaucrats that inhabit the EU.

  4. Aristogeiton

    twostix
    #1433550, posted on August 29, 2014 at 11:14 pm
    [...]
    I, on the other hand don’t run into this dichotomy which seems to cause such pain for “Libertarians”. I support the state getting out of marriage and simply recognising contract law between adults, not further expanding and entrenching itself and arresting bakers.

    Lol. You rick-ribbed libertarian, you. If you knew a little about the common law and the Constitution, you’d realise that stripping the Federal Parliament of the marriage power would just devolve it to the States. Like the situation obtaining before the mid-1950′s. So I suppose you want to ban marriage, legislatively or Constitutionally? Who’s living in the real world again, champ?

  5. Rabz

    MartinG – you are a miniscule, cowardly nonentity who made some unacceptable, unsubstantiated comments attempting to deny my (soon to be proven) correct observations on the those unmentionable goat camel bleepers in the nation that is soon to be known as saudi arabia.

    Care to try and substantiate your baseless claims?

    No, I thought not.

    You are almost as unworthy of any kind of civility (let alone recognition) as that loathsome li’l dhimmi (redacted).

  6. Aristogeiton

    Rabz
    #1433556, posted on August 29, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    It might be time to retire, mate. I think you’ve had a skin-full.

  7. Fisky

    Here’s an analogy you may not like:

    The best (status quo) minds of the west are incapable of winning wars against insurgents because they are wedded to the (status quo) doctrine of counter insurgency i.e. winning hearts and minds. They still stick to this doctrine despite its proven record of failure. But hey, no one wants to upset anyone do they Fisk?

    On the other hand the Sri Lankans decided that the best way to defeat the insurgents wasn’t to win the hearts and minds of the Tamils. Far more effective to kill the Tamil Tigers. Every last one of the fuckers. And funnily enough they did just that and achieved something the west is incapable of. They won a war.

    I suspect the Sri Lankans are glad you were not in a postition of authority when hard decisions had to be made.

    It’s an incredibly daft analogy. You are talking about a civil war between a Marxist terrorist group and a central government. We are discussing how to draft immigration criteria so as to maximise our gains and minimise our social problems.

  8. Rabz

    soon to be formerly known as saudi arabia

    arragghh!

  9. Combine Dave

    Can someone do me a favour and run this through the fact-check machine?

    Claim: Scott Morrison is the greatest immigration minister since federation.

    Status: ?

    True. (esp if he is also responisble for tightening the parental migration schemes).

  10. Rabz

    I think you’ve had a skin-full.

    Yet more marxist lies, I tells ya!

  11. twostix

    Lol. You rick-ribbed libertarian, you. If you knew a little about the common law and the Constitution, you’d realise that stripping the Federal Parliament of the marriage power would just devolve it to the States. Like the situation obtaining before the mid-1950′s. So I suppose you want to ban marriage, legislatively or Constitutionally? Who’s living in the real world again, champ?

    So you hate federalism and devolving power to the local level too now?

    We’ll add to the list of your statist inclinations:
    Wants to arrest bakers? Check.
    Links to the communist New Statesman? Check.
    Hates the devolution of power and federalism? Check.

    Some “Libertarian”.

    Oh that’s right most Australian “Libertarians” are of the UK “Civil” Libertarian toffy mouthed statist Geoffry Robertson type rather than the US guns and states rights type.

  12. Rabz

    Oh that’s right, most Australian “Libertarians” are of the UK “Civil” Libertarian toffy mouthed statist Geoffrey Robertson type rather than the US guns and states rights type.

    stix, FFS, they’re only interested in the state redefining marriage (and persecuting all those who disagree with the redefinition) and that’s it, they promise! Nothing more at all after that, we know it to be true.

  13. Aristogeiton

    twostix
    #1433563, posted on August 29, 2014 at 11:33 pm
    [...]
    So you hate federalism and devolving power to the local level too now?

    No you miserable, lying fuck. You’re the one who wants to ban marriage, not I. I’m telling you that removing the Federal Parliament’s legislative power will not achieve that. I’m happy to devolve the power to the states.

  14. Rabz

    No you miserable, lying fuck.

    Who dropped the aphrodisiacs into the water supply, FFS?

  15. MartinG

    Aristogeiton
    #1433473, posted on August 29, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    You’re a fucking idiot. The quote is from MartinG and I despise Dawkins.

    Yes I’m afraid I did. I sent it in anger and regret I didn’t show a little self control. Please except my apology.

  16. Aristogeiton

    Rabz
    #1433570, posted on August 29, 2014 at 11:44 pm
    No you miserable, lying fuck.

    Who dropped the aphrodisiacs into the water supply, FFS?

    Go to bed you incomprehensible drunk.

  17. twostix

    True. (esp if he is also responisble for tightening the parental migration schemes).

    Not just parental, apparently all or most “other” family visas too. I.e any visas that allowed extended family to be brought over.

    According to that blog.

    Someone should probably check if it’s true.

    Wait, I just did, and it is and glory of glories here’s Labor having a whinge:

    TONY ABBOTT’S BUDGET LETS DOWN ETHNIC COMMUNITIES

    In his Budget, Mr Abbott abolished the Non-contributory Parent visa category and Other Family visa Category

    (including Aged Dependent Relative, Remaining Relative and Carer).

    This decision will mean low and middle-income families will have no way of bringing their parents to Australia, unless they can reportedly pay up to $125,000.

    In a mean and sneaky move the Abbott Government snuck this through by Legislative Instrument with absolutely no notice to the community.

    Or in other words, no bringing over extended family and no bringing over 65 year old parents who are immediately going to hop on the pension, medicare, and aged care joy ride. Yes to bringing over parents if you can financially support them or they can support themselves.

    A win for everyone.

    I love mean and sneaky.

  18. Rabz

    You’re a fucking idiot. The quote is from MartinG and I despise Dawkins.

    That’s good, because he evidently despises (almost) everybody else.

    And, we have scientistic evidence to prove it, I tells ya!

  19. twostix

    No you miserable, lying fuck. You’re the one who wants to ban marriage, not I. I’m telling you that removing the Federal Parliament’s legislative power will not achieve that. I’m happy to devolve the power to the states.

    Nah.

    The state can never ban people from getting married. Marriage is a matter between adults, anyone can stand under a tree in front of their friends and family and god and vow to be together forever and sign a contract to that end. The state can’t ban that.

    It can however, under your desired regime, arrest bakers for not baking them a cake.

  20. C.L.

    Oh dear. Ari just linked to the communist New Statesman.

    Good Lord.

  21. MartinG

    Rabz
    #1433482, posted on August 29, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    Marty – house of saud, thanks!

    NOW!

    The House of Saud is the ruling royal family of Saudi Arabia. Any destabilization of Saudi Arabia would be a god send for ISIS.

  22. incoherent rambler

    http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/08/29/britain-s-terror-threat-level-up-to-severe.html

    Hmm. Might be those nice moderate muslims wearing bomb vests.

    Now for wahlly dot to explain how open borders and SSM would make it all go away.

  23. C.L.

    Oh that’s right most Australian “Libertarians” are of the UK “Civil” Libertarian toffy mouthed statist Geoffry Robertson type rather than the US guns and states rights type.

    They live in deep fear of one thing above all others.

    Not getting an invite to Mark Bahnisch’s dinner parties.

  24. Aristogeiton

    twostix
    #1433576, posted on August 29, 2014 at 11:56 pm
    [...]
    Nah.

    The state can never ban people from getting married. Marriage is a matter between adults, anyone can stand under a tree in front of their friends and family and god and vow to be together forever and sign a contract to that end. The state can’t ban that.

    I’m glad we agree you lying cockhead. So what constitutional or legislative change do you propose to support your ‘contract’ policy?

  25. nilk

    I heard a whisper that the World Congress of Families Melbourne confab has been cancelled. As in the whole thing shut down.

    I’ve not seen anything formally, just a comment from someone who would know. I had been planning to check it out from the outside to see the feral supporters of freedom in action, and three venues that I knew of had pulled out due to threats of violence, with a fourth likely to cancel.

    I was told earlier this evening of keynote speakers cancelling their appearances, and there is plenty on the web about Kevin Andrews cancelling his talk.

    Of course, according to the last crusader for freedom in everything, the Grauniad, nobody could possibly be afraid to speak their minds for fear of being called racist.

    We know the authorities could and should have intervened, but failed to do so. Why? We see social workers were overstretched. Others apparently saw the whole thing as the nihilism of the underclass and thus not deserving of the time that might have been afforded had these atrocities occurred in the uplands of Surrey. We know forces perennially fall down when it comes to believing children who claim abuse, and struggle to deal with sexual offences across the board. We know that some of the abused characterised the link to their abusers as a “relationship” and that we struggle to tackle domestic offences. So we know of much that probably led to the multiple failure that was Rotherham, and probably contributed to the parallel cases in Rochdale, Oxford and Oldham.

    But can it really be true – as the tabloids and the right robustly claim – that a significant contributor truly was political correctness; the fear of officials that by intervening appropriately in cases where the suspects were Pakistani Muslims, they themselves would be castigated as racist? If it is, it is outrageous. It is also ludicrous.

    Political correctness – if we are to persist with that hackneyed term – required members of a diverse society to accord to others the level of dignity they would want for themselves. The right conflated its meaning so as to describe any prescription on its behaviour that it didn’t like. Everything, from the description of coffee to adoption policy, became “political correctness gone mad”. Perhaps the idea was to discredit the concept by hoisting it into the realm of absurdity. But even then, the concept never, ever required anyone to turn a blind eye to the mass abuse of the vulnerable by criminals. And anyway, to do so on grounds of political correctness would never have made sense.

    No, no, political correctness is nothing to be afraid of.

    Except when it is something to be afraid of, whether you are a christian in Melbourne, 2014 who disagrees with abortion and “same sex marriage” or you are a young girl from a (likely) disadvantaged situation being preyed upon be “Asian” men.

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    A choice on the Cat – Rabz Vs Aristogeiton. Mutual exchanges of respect and esteem

    No you miserable, lying fuck.

    Go to bed you incomprehensible drunk.

    Gentlemen exchanging a reasonable point of view with gentlemen.

    Here, in the Wild West, there has been more secret women’s business over text messages on the subject of mowing in together. I have done what any normal male does, retreated into my man cave and shut the door. The Tobermorey decanter is in close proximity. I am watching the radar regarding the prospects of rain, because things is crook… a few hundred hectares of oats, hoping that we would get hay for sheep feed just isn’t going to happen – a forty thousand dollar bill for hay in the offing – and the main crop is also looking in bad shape. Some four hundred thousand dollars also disappears down the drain. For myself, this is my last year, and for the first time, retirement is not so bad a prospect. It’s a young man’s game.

    Closing down now, out.

  27. Rabz

    the House of Saud is the ruling royal family of Saudi Arabia. Any destabilization of Saudi Arabia would be a god send for ISIS.

    Good – let’s see them tear themselves apart. Then the west steps in and grabs the wells. For keeps.

  28. incoherent rambler

    re: the pending RET decision.
    $1 says that Mr. Rabbit aka Sackless aka FLC aka Tony Credlin aka Tony Nospine expands the scope of the RET.

  29. Rabz

    No you miserable, lying fuck.

    Go to bed you incomprehensible drunk.

    ZK2A – both of those were petulant abusive outbursts from the li’l “libertarian” man, aristocretin.

    You’ve managed to insult both parties with that comment.

    Needless to say, you need to be a hell of a lot more concerned about insulting me than you do about insulting him.

    I have the memory of an elephant.

    The cretin has the memory of a goldfish, as I’ve already proved on numerous occasions this evening.

  30. Leigh Lowe

    My late aunt was an executive in a national Melbourne-based company back in the late 1970s who turned down Chipp’s daughter (if I remember rightly, or perhaps a niece) for a job. He used every contact he had to make her life a misery thereafter.

    Roger that, Roger.
    I worked with one of the Chipp clan around that time.
    In a 35 year career I doubt I have encountered a more egotistical beast.
    “I am entitled because …. do you know who I am”
    And lazy …. iron lung fucking lazy.

  31. incoherent rambler

    Rabz – why waste the words chatting to a garden slug?
    Ignore and they will wander off into the foliage.

  32. Demosthenes

    Abattoirs in Queensland are having to fork out up to $27,000 per month for Halal certification, money which is allegedly being used to fund Islamic schools and mosques.

    Amazing how journalists choose to phrase their first sentences. Just three paragraphs down, the story changes tone substantially:

    One Queensland processor stated that it had been quoted $27,000 per month in Halal certification fees through a MUI-endorsed certifier – almost four times the amount that the Brisbane-based Australian Halal Food Services (AHFS) organisation charges. The AHFS had its accreditation authority suspended by MUI for allegedly engaging in “unfair competition” that could potentially ‘weaken’ the Halal certification movement.

    Sounds like a shady cartel, with the added twist of religion as a tool of control. Wouldn’t catch me paying them money, but no-one is forcing companies to do so either. The suggestion is absurd. What threat could be brought to bear on an entity like Aldi? No, as I and others have patiently explained, but you’re too paranoid to hear, this is just the market at work.

    would have to be the worst attempt at equivalence in regard to islam I have yet seen but that’s what I’d expect from an alarmist.

    Jesus titty fucking Christ, you’re the alarmist here! And the equivalence was paying for certification, not ‘Islam’.

  33. twostix

    Narrative and optics fail.

    According to the SMH the “Council of Single Mothers and their Children” are going to protest the “World Congress of Families”.

    48% of child abuse cases in NSW are of children of single mothers.

  34. Makka

    “Good – let’s see them tear themselves apart. Then the west steps in and grabs the wells. For keeps.”

    No Rabz. That stepping in process would be contested – by Iran. As loathsome as the Al-Saud’s are they are infinitely more acceptable than the Iranian mullahs. Best they stay put. There have been enough Arab Spring success stories already.

  35. Aristogeiton

    Rabz
    #1433596, posted on August 30, 2014 at 12:08 am
    [...]
    ZK2A – both of those were petulant abusive outbursts from the li’l “libertarian” man, aristocretin.

    Poor, misunderstood Rabz:

    Rabz
    #1433371, posted on August 29, 2014 at 9:11 pm
    aristocretin, like syphilis spudpeeler, your presence on this blog is an inexcusable disgrace. Everyone here thinks you are a pompous, pig ignorant, bloviating wanker.

    &c.

  36. C.L.

    I heard a whisper that the World Congress of Families Melbourne confab has been cancelled. As in the whole thing shut down.

    Maybe it was agreed at the annual Federal Police/Imams dinner that Christian assemblies like that ought to be shut down.

  37. MartinG

    Rabz
    #1433556, posted on August 29, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    MartinG – you are a miniscule, cowardly nonentity who made some unacceptable, unsubstantiated comments attempting to deny my (soon to be proven) correct observations on the those unmentionable goat camel bleepers in the nation that is soon to be known as saudi arabi

    Have you been sniffing glue again?

  38. C.L.

    Open borders latest breaking at DRUDGE:

    UK RAISES TERROR THREAT TO ‘SEVERE’

  39. Aristogeiton

    Martin, Rabz suffers from delusions of grandeur brought on, it seems, by alcohol abuse. He becomes raving, nonsensical, and prone to fantasy. Don’t worry. He’ll be back to normal when he sobers up.

  40. MartinG

    Rabz
    #1433591, posted on August 30, 2014 at 12:03 am

    the House of Saud is the ruling royal family of Saudi Arabia. Any destabilization of Saudi Arabia would be a god send for ISIS.

    Good – let’s see them tear themselves apart. Then the west steps in and grabs the wells. For keeps.

    You really are clueless schmuck.

  41. Rabz

    That stepping in process would be contested – by Iran.

    WTF? Iran is now some sort of match for the might of the West?

    How low we have fallen if that preposterous scenario becomes reality. FFS.

  42. [Mexican President] Peña Nieto called for amnesty legislation and more open borders

    For the US, of course—not for Mexico.

    Exactly right, Deadman. Mexico deports Central American illegals with alacrity, when it’s not facilitating their passage across the Rio Grande.

  43. MartinG

    Aristogeiton
    #1433616, posted on August 30, 2014 at 12:28 am

    Martin, Rabz suffers from delusions of grandeur brought on, it seems, by alcohol abuse. He becomes raving, nonsensical, and prone to fantasy. Don’t worry. He’ll be back to normal when he sobers up

    Yea, I hope the cantankerous git wakes up with a throbbing headache.

  44. Rabz

    You z-grade tossers – if you’re so fucking courageous and intelligent, then get yourselves over to the new thread – stop hiding here squealing from the sidelines, like the sad, petulant five year old girls you are.

  45. I heard a whisper that the World Congress of Families Melbourne confab has been cancelled. As in the whole thing shut down.

    It sickens me that while this shit is happening right now we have to defend our position on this website.

  46. Rabz

    Yea, I hope the cantankerous git wakes up with a throbbing headache.

    Ha ha – no such luck, cockgobbler – however, it’s obvious you get the head throbbers, otherwise you wouldn’t have mentioned them – well done. I now even more about you than you know about me. :)

  47. MartinG

    Yea gods, if live aint bad enough they’ve replaced Michael McLaren with Susie Elelman on 2GB.

  48. oldsalt

    Stopping Muslim immigration? Nobody’s trying, neither party, least of all Morrison. Instead of taking refugees on boats from Indonesia we’re flying the same refugees here, from Indonesia. Here are some of the refugees we’re flying in, link to the Rohingya refugee community in Indonesia. Siti Aisyah has collected $1 mill and is asking for more. They’ll all be Aussies soon enough anyway so you may wish to sling her 50 bucks. Scroll down, click around her friends and likes, you’ll find plenty of stirring songs supporting the struggle in Gaza and heaps of great advice from the Quran. The Rohingyas have been suffering genocidal pogroms in Burma. But don’t worry, they’re moderates. Some of them anyway. I think. And Morrison’s bringing them here. Just not on boats.

    Face it. So long as the Islamic world is in turmoil, so long as Muslims are forced to flee their oppressors be they Muslim Christian or Buddhist, we’re going to be taking them in.

  49. Aristogeiton

    Give it up oldsalt. Enough with the Bolshevism.

  50. MartinG

    Rabz
    #1433638, posted on August 30, 2014 at 12:55 am

    Yea, I hope the cantankerous git wakes up with a throbbing headache.

    Ha ha – no such luck, cockgobbler – however, it’s obvious you get the head throbbers, otherwise you wouldn’t have mentioned them – well done. I now even more about you than you know about me. :)

    Rabz, my old fruit cake. I don’t drink alcohol. If I’m in the mood to get shit faced, I take 2mg of Rivotril and 150mg of Lyrica. Now you do know about me and I know you’re permanently drunk. ;-)

  51. srr

    and there is the little fucker himself, a bloke was harmlessly flicking through channels, and there it is, reading off a teleprompter on the apac channel.

    oh fuck–shorten telling putin that the russians are up to their eyeballs in unnacceptability.

    shorten will support anybody taking actions against putin.

    shorten has the gravest reservations about putin coming to australia for the g20.

    anybody talking about accepting a shorten/green government needs to watch this little shit strutting his focus group supplied taglines.

    big bill ludwig is so far up shorten that the head of the ludwig penis must be bruising the shorten liver, [must be why the beady little eyes cross over in the peanut head so often.]

    yep, saw that to and wondered how many people would notice that there’s a mess of a herd of savagely socialist and madly Marxist cats hissing and spitting from the exact same sin book.

    Then I get back here to see all the fur flying, and happily await the next stage of the awakening.

  52. Combine Dave

    “Good – let’s see them tear themselves apart. Then the west steps in and grabs the wells. For keeps.”

    No Rabz. That stepping in process would be contested – by Iran. As loathsome as the Al-Saud’s are they are infinitely more acceptable than the Iranian mullahs. Best they stay put. There have been enough Arab Spring success stories already.

    Am I reading this correctly? Makka is proposing the Saudis be a suitable partner for the West in the ME? Dont those fuckers provide signficant material support to terrorists? Why not just smash the IS, Iran and the Saudis and anyone else who attacks the West.. As Carpe pointed out early total war wrks, if we have the will to use it.

    That’s like Bush going into Iraq but only if he had the support of the Iranian Mullahs.

  53. Combine Dave

    instead of taking refugees on boats from Indonesia we’re flying the same refugees here, from Indonesia.

    Been reading the green left weeky again? Some links with numbers to back this up please.

    Here are some of the refugees we’re flying in, link to the Rohingya refugee community in Indonesia.

    That fb link indicates those economic refugees from Burma are quite safe in indonesia, even having official support and protection of the Indonesian Government. ~ so seems rather unlikely that they will be sent to Australia (while safe from danger), unless the Indon foreign minister descides to help out his alp pals in Australia by engaging in some more unofficial people smuggling.

    Face it. So long as the Islamic world is in turmoil, so long as Muslims are forced to flee their oppressors be they Muslim Christian or Buddhist, we’re going to be taking them in

    True, but it’s also true that their current intake has been greatly reduced with the stopping of the boats, the slashing of parental/relative visa types and the fact that so very few muzzos (whether from SEA or ME) can qualify for our skiled immigration intake (esp when compared to their competitors from India & China). ~ as an aside when do you expect the ME to not be in turmoil? (your answer if it involves western imperialism will be most telling).

  54. That’s like Bush going into Iraq but only if he had the support of the Iranian Mullahs.

    And that worked a treat, didn’t it?

  55. john constantine

    weekend crutching time again. By agreement, the boys knocked off at midday friday for ‘secret shearers business’, and are coming back to clean ‘em up on the weekend.

    –willing seller meets willing buyer in a free market–.

    fly season coming in early, so better safe than sorry, and better the boys do ‘em than me.

    Cumulative degree days of warmth are the actual trigger for paddock action stages, not calendar dates, so the silage contractor is coming for a dispasionate assesment of some paddocks on sunday.

    Draper cutting fronts allow hay cuts that place 90 feet of vegetative growth into one windrow, so that has transformed salvage operations from borderline into positive cashflow opportunities.

    Things still packed with potential, no panic cutting yet, but good to start running some numbers just in case. Pastures that have been winter cleaned have low bulk, but high quality, so better than the muck grass running up to early grass seed set stuff.

    Meatworks buyer in idle chat informed me that he had just been offered 30 b-doubles of underdone merino wether lambs out of the riverina, only bag trade for export quality, and he left them -more profit in genuine spring suckers.race to get the suckers up to sale weight before they lose sappiness.

  56. oldsalt

    Combine D, sorry for late reply. Thanks for your continuing interest in this issue. I think I posted the stats you’re seeking last week. To recap, there are some 10100 asylum seekers in RI registered with UNHCR. Some 1600 new Afghan registrations in the last 6 months period, compared to 1680 during the previous 6 months period. Our policies deterred 80 Afghans entering RI to seek asylum here. During the same period some UNHCR in RI processed some 430 people and resettled them here and NZ. Plainly, with new registrations outnumbering resettlements, the problem is deteriorating. So long as we pay IOM and the GOI to provide welfare for asylum seekers, and accept them for resettlement, the smugglers have a product to sell.

    You are correct that Rohingyas have some sympathy in RI, though that doesn’t extend to preferential treatment. They go to RI to come here. AB Basyir from his cell has written to the Burma and Thai Govts threatening them with retaliation if they continue to mistreat Rogingyas. In response, militant Islamists in RI have attacked local Thai and Buddhist targets.

    You are also correct to suspect the GOI could manipulate the situation. Yes, they still have this leverage. However, you should be watching the incoming Vice Pres J.Kalla not the FM. Kalla, an Islamist incrementalist, is close to and sympathetic to Rohingya lobbyists and has called for us to resettle more. He was Vice Pres during SBY’s first term when the problem worsened. He comes from S.Sulawesi where the smuggling syndicates hail from and could stop them with a single phone call, if he wanted to.

    Re Western Imperialism in the ME, I’ll duck that one if you don’t mind. It’s not my region of specialty and there’s probably nothing useful I could offer that can’t be pulled off the Net.

    Closer to home, the Brit importation of mass cheap Muslim plantation labour from India to Burma is a factor in the Rohingyas’ current ethnic difficulties in Rakhine. The genocidal policies of the Spanish and Americans [Pershing was an infamous butcher] towards the Moros of Minda has driven the war there. This is not even controversial in the US, it’s an accepted fact.

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