Monday Forum: September 1, 2014

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  1. Andrew

    One wonders if there’s any journalism course worth recommending.

    Yeah, coz I really want my kids to enter a “profession” (sic) retrenching the majority of its members with the hope of becoming unpaid interns on a commie billionaire’s blog.

  2. Token

    The woman who has done more than any other to destroy the credibility of Australian journalism,

    That is a big call.

    It is not hard to see how the culture which covered up the way the Communists were rife in the Labor Party during the critical years and the time since, created such “giants” as Jabba, Riley, BungJourno, LaTingle and the putrid swamp that is the ABC.

  3. feelthebern

    According to the Greens and their pals, sit back, debate and then demonise our defence force personnel.

    According to the Greens all our defense force can do is burn the hands of boaties.
    As the great theologian Ralph Wiggum once said “Now I have two ows”.

  4. Grigory M

    pyramid of skulls

    You ever been to an Ossuary, Token? It’s a place where skeletons are kept – the remains of people who have been buried for a while are dug up and their bones are then placed in the Ossuary. They have them in Germany. You can see Ossuary photos on the internet with lots skulls displayed on a bench – but no “pyramid of skulls”.

  5. hammy

    Caught Red-Handed

    In defence of a reporter

    JUDITH Sloan makes some false assertions about how one of my reporters does her job (“Paper’s slant against self-managed super is just so wrong”. 2/9). Sloan suggests she’s “pretty sure” the journalist did not ferret through the Australian Taxation Office website to get figures about self-managed super funds and that she was “probably fed them” by industry super funds.

    After speaking to the reporter, and backed by my knowledge of how she works, I am more than pretty sure that Sloan is wrong. My reporter got the numbers from the ATO. She was not fed them by interested parties.

    It is one thing to vigorously contest issues. It is another to make false claims about the professionalism of a journalist because you disagree with the angle of a story — all without checking your assertions.

    Michael Stutchbury, editor-in-chief, The Australian Financial Review, Sydney, NSW

  6. Token

    You can see Ossuary photos on the internet with lots skulls displayed on a bench – but no “pyramid of skulls”.

    Why does it not surprise me that the way human remains appear when piled together is an area of expertise for you?

  7. blogstrop

    Thanks for fixing the link MartinG – doing links on the ipad is fraught with danger!

  8. C.L.

    I am … pretty sure that Sloan is wrong

    LOL.

  9. Notafan

    The greens seem to want to show the world that they approve of the wholesale slaughter of Christians, not much was said about iraq until the Yazidi started being slaughtered as well. As for the Christian of Syria….

    I remember one Bolt wally saying what about the atheists of Syria?
    What about them?
    Are atheists being sought out byreavers, their men and boys murdered, their women and girls raped and enslaved?
    Sarah Hanson Young going ape over the murder of one, just one, rapist on Manus could not care less about the murder of thousands and the suffering of millions even when they have live coverage of the atrocities.
    Every single green will stand and watch this monstrous crime without a qualm, these poor people will only become real if they get on a boat and make it to Christmas Island, then the greens will care about the poor refugees.

  10. Des Deskperson

    What Tasmanian sewer did this grub crawl out from?

    According to his bio, he’s an ADFA graduate and served in the Royal Australian Army from 1986 to 1989.

    Interesting because he was born in 1968, so unless he entered ADFA at an extraordinary early age, his three years in the Army would seem to be mostly ADFA attendance.

    One suspects that there is some baggage here, Whish-Wilson may have ‘issues’ with the ADF and the military.

  11. Arnost

    What can we do to stop this slaughter ?

    According to the Greens and their pals, sit back, debate and then demonise our defence force personnel.

    Hitler wanted the Sudetenland for “peace” – hmmm what could Islamic State want?

    Thinking thinking thinking…

  12. Tom

    It is shocking and unacceptable that the nation’s senior law officer should be accusing two of its main media organisations of conducting a systematic campaign against religious freedom, and that one of its most respected former High Court judges should be hurling around phrases such as “the racism of the intellectuals”, both without offering a skerrick of evidence or justification.

    Gentlemen, I challenge you to put up, or back down.

    You see what the old dissembler did there, CL? An attack on a religion is not literally an attack on religious freedom.

    The Third Reich called and want their propaganda back, Holmes. You really are a waste of food.

  13. Grigory M

    Hobbs

    Token – is that the kitchen appliance guy? Russell?

    Why does it not surprise me that the way human remains appear when piled together is an area of expertise for you?

    Here’s a link for you, Token – Ossuary.

    It’s not “an area of expertise” for me – just something I know a little about. I don’t know why it does not surprise you that I do – perhaps you could help me out there.

  14. Baldrick

    With no teleprompter and another American slaughtered by Islamic jihadists, the Magic Negro walks past shouting reporters onto Marine One, enroute to 3 day European talks.
    What a disgrace.

  15. Slayer of Memes

    My reporter claims she got the numbers from the ATO. She says she was not fed them by interested parties. I have no actual proof of this, but she says she’s clean so I believe her.

    FTFY Hammy (and Michael Stuchbury)

  16. C.L.

    With no teleprompter and another American slaughtered by Islamic jihadists, the Magic Negro walks past shouting reporters onto Marine One, enroute to 3 day European talks.
    What a disgrace.

    The two journalists killed were both white.

    Do you honestly think he’d be golfing and running if they were black?

  17. Token

    google
    wendy bacon and comrades lay into sharri markson ontwitter

    The left really are startling in the way they bully & abuse women.

    We are endlessly lectured about the dangers of bullying across the interwebs and see the same Frightbats laying into Sharri Markson using the exact same techniques.

    Lucky for all Markson is made of stern stuff and won’t be distracted by children.

    It is not surprising to know that the CFMEU have been abusing women on the Barangaroo site using language which would give former Cat contributer SoB the vapours if had been targeted to his Dear Leader.

  18. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    According to his bio, he’s an ADFA graduate and served in the Royal Australian Army from 1986 to 1989.

    Royal Australian Army? Since when? We have a Royal Australian Navy, a Royal Australian Air Force, Royal Australian Regiment, Royal Australian Electrical and Mechanical Engineers, Etc., etc., but since when has there been a “Royal Australian Army”?

  19. MartinG

    We’re Doomed … Kittens and Puppies Too

    If you have a bill of climate goods to peddle, as Naomi Oreskes always does, what better foil than ardent warmist and Science Show compere Robyn Williams? When flogging a book, it is handy to have a radio pal who has never encountered an alleged peril too silly to inspire a raised eyebrow — not even the mass extinction of household pets

    Tony Thomas at Quadrant online reviews Naomi Oreskes new book ‘The Collapse of Western Civilisation’

    Here

  20. Baldrick

    C.L.
    #1437479, posted on September 3, 2014 at 9:11 am
    Do you honestly think he’d be golfing and running if they were black?

    True. I guess it’s hard for Obambi to say, “If I had s son, he’d look like Foley or Sotloff”

  21. Oh come on

    wendy bacon and comrades lay into sharri markson ontwitter

    I’ve seen Markson on the teev and it’s pretty clear why. They’re all jealous as sin, the nasty old tarts.

  22. Des Deskperson

    ZK2A, yeah, ‘Royal Australian Army’ sounded odd to me and I checked his bio again – the one on the APH site – before I posted earlier, to make sure, and that’s what it says!

    As I said, there is something very odd here about his military, err, career.

  23. Myrddin Seren

    Sharri Markson comes across as a very impressive and dynamic young woman.

    A tad of Googling tells us her dad is in fact promoter Max Markson – so we can see she was blessed with energy and get-up-and-go genes ( I am envious because my gene energy seems derived from our proto-sloth ancestors ).

    This site tells us she began work at 16 (!) as a copykid ( gopher ) at the Sunday Tele, and worked her way along from there.

    The word ‘university’ is not obvious to me. Seeing her on BoltA, I have struggled to see how she could have come through Wendy Bacon’s Alinskyite factory at UTS or Margaret Simons similar ‘Lenin Institute’ at the UoM ?

    Given she is not demanding preference for her gender AND she is of You-Know-Who heritage AND works for Murdoch666 – her success as a self-made person is of course zero interest to the frightbats.

    Listening to her speak on BoltA is also interesting in watching the rapid evolution of spoken Australian English, as pronunciation seems to be changing materially.

    And is she a political partisan ? From the link above – her proudest journalistic moment at the time of the linked interview ?

    I found out the state government had decided to ban regular unleaded petrol in a deal that would see massive profits go to the state’s sole ethanol supplier, Manildra, and petrol prices ultimately rise.

    I worked on the story for three months and eventually managed to get confidential Cabinet documents that confirmed the whole deal. It was embarrassing for the Premier, Barry O’Farrell and he back flipped, changing the law a week later.

  24. Mater

    According to his bio, he’s an ADFA graduate and served in the Royal Australian Army from 1986 to 1989.

    Des,
    Graduated ADFA 1988. Add to that the subsequent 12 months at RMC and you have four years in training establishments only. So he never really served anybody except himself.

  25. Rudiau

    Halal Mondelez.

    The inclusion of the AFIC Halal symbol is not intended to offend any member of the public of any cultural or religious belief.

    In response, the AFIC provided us with verbal and written assurances that it is not engaged in unlawful activities. As such, we have confidence in AFIC as a reputable organisation. We pay a blanket administration fee that covers the certification of a number of our products. This cost is not a tax and is not attributed to a particular product or brand, therefore consumers don’t pay more for a Halal certified product versus a non-certified product.

    Well, that’s all good then, thanks Sarah.
    PS. As a member of the Public, I am offended. As a Catholic, I am offended.

  26. feelthebern

    And is she a political partisan ? From the link above – her proudest journalistic moment at the time of the linked interview ?

    That’s probably because the story won a Walkley.
    It’s like a Oscar to journo’s.

  27. Baldrick

    Clive Palmer loses cool over ice bucket challenge, storms off from The Project

    Last night on the lawns of Parliament House, the Palmer United Party leader was preparing to pour a bucket of ice water over his colleague Senator Jacqui Lambie on Channel Ten’s The Project.
    But Mr Palmer became angry when he spotted a second bucket of ice that he assumed was meant for him.
    “Look, that’s the last time I’m on The Project. Goodbye,” he said.
    He tipped the bucket out, slightly wetting a producer, then uttered a few words unsuitable for broadcast and stormed off.

    No video yet unfortunately.

  28. Myrddin Seren

    And speaking of my local state MP and ICAC forget-me-not Barry O’Farrell, the comment from Sharri Markson above deserves to be repeated:

    I found out the state government had decided to ban regular unleaded petrol in a deal that would see massive profits go to the state’s sole ethanol supplier, Manildra, and petrol prices ultimately rise.

    BOF didn’t resign because he purportedly forgot about a bottle of wine that everyone in legal circles and, apparently the Tele, knew ICAC was coming after him for.

    He embraced the bottle of wine to stand aside for a memory lapse before he was hung for the rancid corruption and sheer unutterable stupidity of his State colleagues, as now revealed in more recent ICAC hearings. And it sounds like this ethanol scam should get a going over by ICAC too, if they have any spare time ?

    And so what is Barry doing these days ? Announcing he will not contest the seat at the election six months away ? Allow a breath of fresh air ??

    Nope – according to this, trawling his cloak to be parachuted in to Canberra

    Former NSW premier Barry O’Farrell not ruling out move to Canberra

    and his Twitter feed tells us:

    ABC News Intern @ABCnewsIntern · 16h

    Why the chatter about cadetships? Well, the 2015 ABC News Journalist Cadetships are now open!

    Great – opportunities for more taxpayer-funded activists with bylines who will never vote for the Liberal Party.

    The sheer banal embodiment of the Political Class.

  29. harrys on the boat

    Not on twitter, so what are the frightbats screeching at Markson for?

  30. Rudiau

    And it sounds like this ethanol scam should get a going over by ICAC too, if they have any spare time ?

    Hmmm
    Manildra mentioned again. Does Alan Jones own shares? Would explain a lot. Follow the money.

  31. Ivan Denisovich

    Jonathan Holmes: No evidence of media prejudice against Catholicism.

    LOL.

    What one cricket commentator does is one thing. But it’s much more about what his employers – the ABC and Fairfax – knew and when and what they did to stop any wrongdoing of which they were aware or ought to have been aware.

    Sounds like a tough standard, right?

    It’s the same standard they apply to the Catholic Church, to the former Governor-General Hollingworth, to a Melbourne yeshivah (that we once donated money to), and so on.

    Try Googling ABC and Catholic church and you’ll see what I mean.

    BEAST FILE: CATHOLIC CHURCH SEX SCANDAL

    That rather nasty video is representative of the kind of material put out about the Church. Unforgiving and obsessed with sex is probably the kindest characterisation of its coverage. They lash the Church as hard as their Peter Roebuck beat the buttocks of the young African men he paid to stay in his house.

    Try searching The Age website for Catholic Church. While it’s not perfect, it’s a billion strong Church that does a tremendous amount of good, whether you’re a believer or otherwise, but that’s simply not the perspective you get from The Age, it’s all about how the organisation needs to take responsibility for the wrongdoing of a tiny proportion of its staff:

    http://www.vexnews.com/2011/11/judge-them-as-they-would-judge-others-peter-roebuck-ties-up-fairfaxabc-spinners-in-knots/

    Gerard Henderson analyses three consecutive days of uniformly hostile coverage of the Catholic Church by the ABC’s 7.30. Tuesday was probably the worst and most unprofessional:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/andrewbolt/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/the_smearing_of_cardinal_pell/

    Here are just some excerpts from just one episode of one ABC current affairs show yesterday.

    Get Cardinal Pell for not bowing to the collective:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_great_anti_catholic_witch_hunt/

  32. Mater

    Des,
    Here is a link to his first speech on Veterans’ Affairs. A load of ‘me too’ tosh but it does answer some questions.
    He refers to it as ‘The Royal Australian Army’, in the speech to the Senate (at 06:17). He is obviously all over his portfolio.

  33. Not on twitter, so what are the frightbats screeching at Markson for?

    Not on twitter either. Like you I imagine it is the same reason they were stuck into Sarah Palin, Pauline Hanson & others;

    Being successful and female.

  34. MartinG

    Token
    #1437480, posted on September 3, 2014 at 9:12 am

    google
    wendy bacon and comrades lay into sharri markson ontwitter

    The left really are startling in the way they bully & abuse women.

    We are endlessly lectured about the dangers of bullying across the interwebs and see the same Frightbats laying into Sharri Markson using the exact same techniques.

    Lucky for all Markson is made of stern stuff and won’t be distracted by children.

    It is not surprising to know that the CFMEU have been abusing women on the Barangaroo site using language which would give former Cat contributer SoB the vapours if had been targeted to his Dear Leader.

    google
    union officials abused intimidated building inspectors inquiry hears ;-)

  35. Gab

    This cost is not a tax and is not attributed to a particular product or brand, therefore consumers don’t pay more for a Halal certified product versus a non-certified product.

    lol Gosh, they’re hilarious and also think the consumer is stupid. No, no, of course they don’t spread the certification costs all the brands they sell, halal-branded or not. Oh nooo.

  36. srr

    Some people promote the desire to actively embrace blinding ignorance, by constantly reminding everyone of how badly others are treated for, “knowing things”.

    G.K. Chesterton, again, writing on -

    “A DEFENCE OF SKELETONS”

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/12245/12245-h/12245-h.htm#A_DEFENCE_OF_SKELETONS

    Go on Token, explain to us why we should all ignore the writing’s of that saintly wise man, Gilbert Keith Chesterton, because you can twist bits of things he’s written, to ‘prove’ he ‘must’ be an ‘evil Putinist’.

  37. Gab

    Markson is young, intelligent, attractive, conservative female. Of course the ugly old frightbats are going to go vicious on her. It’s their nature to do so.

  38. C.L.

    Seen as a moderate or “light” green, [Whish-Wilson] has experience in establishing a successful Tamar Valley winery, and, before moving to Tasmania, in equity capital markets, having worked for Merrill Lynch and Deutsche Bank.

    The Oz.

  39. C.L.

    Audio of Clive Palmer’s blow-up.

    Apparently he was being set up for a drenching himself and chucked a sooky.

  40. C.L.

    What did Markson do to startle the bats?

  41. Markson is young, intelligent, attractive, conservative female. Of course the ugly old frightbats are going to go vicious on her. It’s their nature to do so.

    She’s outpacing them.
    People always know when they’re being shown up. Usually react quite badly too.

  42. C.L.

    British police to Cliff Richard: ‘Yeah, sorry ‘n stuff.’

    Good luck in court, fellas.

  43. Infidel Tiger

    Seen as a moderate or “light” green, [Whish-Wilson] has experience in establishing a successful Tamar Valley winery, and, before moving to Tasmania, in equity capital markets, having worked for Merrill Lynch and Deutsche Bank.

    Moderate Green, moderate Muslim, Bunyip.

  44. David

    Apparently he was being set up for a drenching himself and chucked a sooky

    CL the appropriate response to a set up like that is not “a sooky” but a solid kick in the slats – tends to concentrate the bucket bearer’s mind on other issues.

    :-)

  45. MartinG

    Rudiau
    #1437500, posted on September 3, 2014 at 9:51 am

    Hmmm
    Manildra mentioned again. Does Alan Jones own shares? Would explain a lot. Follow the money.

    I don’t think Alan Jones needs any financial inducement to be an ignorant prick.

  46. DrBeauGan

    Notafan, you put up a long and thoughtful post charging me with missing the big picture on islamic immigration. I don’t think I do. I agree that we have a problem and I’ve mentioned some aspects of it.

    Some years ago the woman muslim neighbour took her son for a walk in a nearby park and returned very upset. A man had come up to her, asked if she was muslim, not a difficult guess because she wears a headscarf and a long dress, and when she said yes had spent ten minutes on spittle-flecked abuse. Perhaps it was twosticks, although I think his conviction that all muslims are evil may be more recent. She fought back but still it upset her.

    I explained that the great majority of Australians were kind and decent, and if she treated us decently we would reciprocate. This was consistent with her experience up to date, so she believed me. Still, I explained, we did have the odd whacko bigot, all countries do. And ours are a whole lot better controlled than most muslim whacko bigots. Ours merely shouted abuse, theirs rioted and murdered. She admitted the truth of this. I think it strengthened her resolve to be a good Aussie.

    The big picture is made out of a lot of small pictures. Spreading anti-muslim hatred as some on this site do is going to make things worse rather than better. We need to make it clear that muslims who want to be Australians are welcome here. And conversely, muslims whose loyalty is to other nations and states are not.

    One of the factors encouraging young muslim males to join Islamic State or marginally less repulsive groups is the horrible moral flabbiness of the West, exemplified by the Rotherham council and social workers- including that ghastly woman we’ve just recruited to stop bullying in schools, but who did bugger all to stop child-rape. And the creeps who appointed her here. Everybody on the cat thought that moral flabbiness was disgusting. My point is that muslim males will be as disgusted and contemptuous as we are. They look around Australia and what do they see? A preoccupation with same sex marriage, a hideously feminised education system, and a widespread culture of self-loathing. In their shoes, what looks the nobler calling, what is the more manly, joining Islamic State and fighting for a religious purity, or joining the ADF where the top people are bending over backwards to placate militant feminists. And one wears dresses and those in the ranks get their sex change ops paid for.

    Given the moral squish of much of the West and its feminisation, plenty of alpha males will opt out, not just muslims. IT has made his distaste plain enough. I’m with him on this. The place is a toilet, and we shouldn’t be surprised if young male muslims notice it too.

  47. H B Bear

    Looks like the rest of society isn’t as concerned about the “cancer cluster” at the old ALPBC site in Brisbane Futuristic towers planned for old ABC studio site at Toowong

    Must be nice to work at a real staff co-op. White fella Hindmarsh Island is alive and well.

  48. C.L.

    Father’s Day gift slide-show …

    Ahoy, Davidsons:

    For the serious whisky enthusiast: Ardbeg 1974 Double Barrel Scotch Whisky 700ml $20,000. Sound a bit expensive? Included in the price for these two bottles of vintage Ardbeg Single Malt are eight solid silver drinking cups, a hand-stitched leather sampling register, a fountain pen, and a bookchronicling Ardbeg’s history and… a five-day trip to Scotland, where you will visit Glenmorangie and Ardbeg, go clay-pigeon shooting and stay at five-star accommodation.

  49. C.L.

    Alternatively:

    For the hipster: Fiik Shortii electric skateboard, from $799. He might not be bombing bowls any more, but he can still carve the odd pavement on the way to work on this compact, battery-powered fun board. Includes LED head and tail lights, rapid acceleration motor (up to 32km/h), high-density rubber wheels, pistol-grip controller and ABS braking.

  50. Leo G

    “It is one thing to vigorously contest issues. It is another to make false claims about the professionalism of a journalist because you disagree with the angle of a story — all without checking your assertions.” – Michael Stutchbury, editor-in-chief, The Australian Financial Review, Sydney, NSW

    Stutchbury is the one making false claims. Even if Sloan is wrong in her belief, that does not imply that she knew her belief to be false when she stated it. Stutchbury is accusing Sloan of acting in bad faith when stating an opinion about the professionalism of a journalist.
    Where is his supporting evidence?

  51. British police to Cliff Richard: ‘Yeah, sorry ‘n stuff.’

    The BBC filmed … after police informed them in advance… The police denied they sought to generate publicity for their investigation… police chief constable David Crompton told a parliamentary committee “I’m confident that we made the right decision…”

  52. Mike of Marion

    OK, OK, I like the music composed by Ennio Morricone.

    IMHO, one particular piece, “Ecstasy of Gold” from the Western, “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” is brilliantly arranged.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubVc2MQwMkg

    The above version is tied to the particular segment in the film.

    In 2002, Yo-Yo Ma (Cellist) worked with Morricone to produce this version of the music.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBelSZAx4ro

    Mike

  53. Roger

    British police to Cliff Richard: ‘Yeah, sorry ‘n stuff.’

    South Yorkshire police strike again. Rotherham, a televised raid of Cliff Richard’s property, what’s next? You couldn’t invent such incompetence for, say, a novel or a TV script, and get away with it.

  54. srr

    Oops, Geoff Shaw has hung the Victorian Parliament on It’s Own Petard, and Napthine knew it before he heard himself use that tired old term referring to Shaw.

    No sane man has been able to respect any of our state Parliaments since, well for a very long time, and most certainly since those bloody abortionists of EMILY’S List have been crushing balls and calling the shots.

    Interesting Times….

  55. hammy

    Looks like I’m banned. I guess it was only ever a matter of time.

  56. hammy

    That one got up after three previous failed attempts.

  57. feelthebern

    New device Hammy?
    Until I did my first icloud backup, my posts all ended up in moderation.
    Post first back up, it was all sweet.

  58. DrBeauGan

    We don’t want to ban you Hammy. You’re far too entertaining.

  59. Looks like I’m banned. I guess it was only ever a matter of time.

    The site wouldn’t be the same without you, Hammy.

  60. Zippy The Younger

    Spreading anti-muslim hatred as some on this site do is going to make things worse rather than better. We need to make it clear that muslims who want to be Australians are welcome here. And conversely, muslims whose loyalty is to other nations and states are not.

    There is a difference between anti-muslim and anti-islam. No doubt plenty of germans were really nice people under nazis and continued to be once the nazis were eradicated.

    Muslims are prohibited from loyalty to the kuffar. Your friend is either ignorant or practicing taqiyya.

  61. H B Bear

    If Mark Scott was genuinely concerned for the OH&S standards at the ALPBC staff co-op, surely Paul Barry would be involuntarily committed for his Murdoch mania? The raving loony is making Jonathon Holmes, Mincing Marr and pompous git Littlemore look positively balanced by comparison.

    At least Scott could give him a tin-foil hat until the blokes in white coats get there.

  62. srr

    “Don’t call it a State. It’s a Death Cult.” Abbott

    “I refuse to use the term ‘State’ it is not a legitimate ‘State’ it is clearly a death cult”, said Tony Abbott in genuine anger. An apparently reasonable assessment that will naturally be ignored by media but is the title “Islamic State” so offensive to Abbott because of the word “State” or because of the word “Islamic”? Hmmm.

    In Parliament yesterday Abbott was able to describe in detail Australia’s involvement in confronting the atrocities of the Islamic menace without the word “Islam” passing his lips, and that took some deft articulation. His advisers are not fools, but they obviously believe we are.

    It will be interesting this morning to see if Abbott can report the latest beheading without uttering the word “Islam”.

    What drives a human being to decapitate a 4-year-old girl and display her limp torso as a trophy? What drives him to proudly decapitate innocent journalists? Islam drove him and Islam in its most basic form drives everything else that is dangerous and rotten to the core with this movement.

    Abbott might like to reconfigure the titles “Nazi” and “KKK” while he’s at it but we all know what they are about, don’t we; the hatred of blacks and Jews aren’t they Tony? So what’s the problem with defining what pure Islam (Sharia) is about?

    If we don’t wish our “moderate” Muslim friends to be offended, then let them dissociate themselves from pure (Sharia) Islam. But they don’t. And if they don’t, why the hell should we be concerned for their feelings?

    The “Islamic State” itself certainly isn’t reticent in defining Islam as its driving force so it’s difficult to understand why we should be reticent?

    The beheading of innocents and the slaughter of women and children will continue as long as we try to avoid naming exactly who and what we are dealing with.

    Abbott needs to stop playing ostrich and Obama needs to stop playing golf and face the fact that we are at war with Islam and we will stay at war with Islam until we eradicate it.

    White House press secretary Josh Earnest said this morning “Our thoughts and prayers first and foremost are with Mr Sotloff and his family, we are not in a position to confirm the authenticity of the latest video.

    “Any new video”, he said, “would be analysed very carefully by the U.S. Government and its intelligence officials to determine its authenticity.” Yawn.

    Islam declared war on the West years ago but the West is still reluctant to even declare who and what the enemy is! Now there’s a good way to conduct a declared war.

    How much more of this Islamic decadence must we and others suffer before we act to obliterate it? Refusing to get troops on the ground immediately plays into Islamic hands. They believe they have the blessing of Allah and cannot be defeated so, until they are shown they can be defeated and easily, the atrocities will continue and worsen.

    The Islamic State calls us cowards…well, at least they got something right.

    Larry Pickering

  63. DrBeauGan

    No, my friend is a good human being who was brought up as a muslim.

  64. MartinG

    hammy
    #1437531, posted on September 3, 2014 at 10:34 am

    Looks like I’m banned. I guess it was only ever a matter of time.

    You probably forgot to click on the ‘Post Comment’ button.

  65. H B Bear

    Having conceded that Labor can’t win the next election, Dumble amuses himself by returning to one of his favourite subjects How (un)popular is Abbott?. As usual Comments closed today.

    If Howard showed anything, it was that the PM net satisfaction ratings are irrelevant to winning elections and governing.

  66. hammy

    No I think the link to an article on the John Menadue blog must have issues.

  67. hammy

    Can one of the techos here tell me why?

  68. .

    hammy
    #1437531, posted on September 3, 2014 at 10:34 am
    Looks like I’m banned. I guess it was only ever a matter of time.

    I guess a rendition of “I’m Going Home” and then “Don’t Dream It, Be It” is out the question?

  69. Gab

    Oh well if Hammy’s taking requests, how about “Let it snow”…

  70. .

    Zippy The Younger
    #1437429, posted on September 3, 2014 at 7:34 am
    Sort of like what happened to Dot.

    Is it just me or is dot have some sort of cognitive dissonance attack over the religion of peace?

    No, too many people here think all Muslims are Jihadis or that Halal is a plot to oppress them.

    I full well say that most Muslims around the world have backward views.

    I’m simply barely functioning above a garden slug just enough to realise that Ismalis or Sufis are not Salafists, Muslims can dissent, be lapsed or moderate (though they are few globally) and that the Q Society spews forth nonsense, poorly researched propaganda. If their arguments were worth anything decent they could sum them up quickly, as Sinclair does here with economics issues – and not expect people to sit through a 40 minute lecture.

    Somehow, my view that one person shouldn’t have autocratic power to start a war, yet we should bomb the shit out of ISIS instead of our continuing pathetic contribution to our alliance with America, makes me “an appeaser” or some other fantastical horse/unicorn shit.

  71. incoherent rambler

    Pickering –

    The “Islamic State” itself certainly isn’t reticent in defining Islam as its driving force so it’s difficult to understand why we should be reticent?

    The beheading of innocents and the slaughter of women and children will continue as long as we try to avoid naming exactly who and what we are dealing with.

    Hard to argue with that.

  72. .

    Here you go hamster.

    “That delicate, satin draped fraaaaaame”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9gYbrarYY

    Bye.

  73. C.L.

    Charles Krauthammer: Obama a man on the verge of delusion. Video.

    I’m not so sure. I think he actually backs the Islamic world’s war on Western civilisation.

  74. stackja

    Fellow Australians. It is my melancholy duty to inform you officially that in consequence of a persistence by Germany in her invasion of Poland, Great Britain has declared war upon her and that, as a result, Australia is also at war.

  75. DrBeauGan

    I don’t think anyone here is opposed to killing everyone in Islamic State. They are indisputably the bad guys and I favour pulling out the others then nuking the place to radioactive slag. But I want to destroy ONLY the bad guys. Killing indiscriminately makes us no better than they are.

  76. srr

    Is Geoff Shaw The Last Man Standing in Victoria’s Parliament who hasn’t been castrated by Emily’s List?

    The motion to find Mr Shaw in contempt and expelled will be debated on Thursday.

    “If Parliament votes in favour of this motion tomorrow, and I urge it to do so, then the member for Frankston will be the author of his own demise,” Dr Napthine said.

    Mr Shaw will be able to vote on his own expulsion, and because he holds the balance of power, the motion would only be successful if Labor supports it.

    It appears unlikely the Labor Party would support the motion, with Labor MPs saying the Government had its chance to expel Mr Shaw in June.

    If Mr Shaw is expelled it will not trigger a by-election in Frankston because it is too close to the November election.

    He will still be able to contest the seat if he is expelled.

    Mr Shaw was present in the house when the Premier put the motion forward.

  77. Vicki

    Somehow, my view that one person shouldn’t have autocratic power to start a war, yet we should bomb the shit out of ISIS instead of our continuing pathetic contribution to our alliance with America, makes me “an appeaser” or some other fantastical horse/unicorn shit.

    Not at all. I would welcome anyone that understands enough about the track record of Islamists to realise we currently have a problem of immense proportion. I suspect that in the next few years the opposition to IS will make for astonishing bedfellows!

    It is also obvious that there is diversity of some doctrinal matters in the Islamic world – although the lack of a tolerant tradition of critiquing somewhat cramps the style of “apostates”, doesn’t it????

    But the central issue confronting the West at the moment is in recognition of the potential threat. There is much denial, and that will be costly in the long run.

    For this reason, I am sorry, but I have little patience for those who trivialise the issue. I encourage everyone I discuss this issue with to read all they can on Islam, its history, and particularly its eschatological tradition. This last aspect, I believe, is of critical importance because the West has become so secular in its world view, and finds it well nigh impossible to see through the eyes of fundamentalist religious ideologues.

  78. Zippy The Younger

    No, too many people here think all Muslims are Jihadis

    They snuffed out the democratic arab spring quick smart.

    They are not allowed to leave the cult under penalty of nasty consequences.

    They are allowed to lie about their views to wage jihad.

    They are all supposed to engage in jihad, clearly the vast majority don’t.

    They are driven to enforce the inseparable unity of state and “religion”.

    They are encouraged to breed into majorities.

    Women are second class citizens and unbelievers are considered lower than goats and donkeys.

    I can see this ending nicely. not!

    Let’s just continue to pass the problem down to our grandchildren?

  79. DrBeauGan

    One of the muslim mantras is to talk of ‘Allah the compassionate, Allah the merciful’. Some muslims take that very seriously. And others do not. We kill the second lot. Quickly, becaue we are compassionate and merciful.

  80. Caro claimed on QandA that married women were prostitutes. I think we can safely say that radical feminism is now mainstream. Here is Marjorie Millet, Kate Millet’s sister, recounting a meeting in 1969 which her sister and other radical feminists:

    It was 1969. Kate invited me to join her for a gathering at the home of her friend, Lila Karp. They called the assemblage a “consciousness-raising-group,” a typical communist exercise, something practiced in Maoist China. We gathered at a large table as the chairperson opened the meeting with a back-and-forth recitation, like a Litany, a type of prayer done in Catholic Church. But now it was Marxism, the Church of the Left, mimicking religious practice:

    “Why are we here today?” she asked.
    “To make revolution,” they answered.
    “What kind of revolution?” she replied.
    “The Cultural Revolution,” they chanted.
    “And how do we make Cultural Revolution?” she demanded.
    “By destroying the American family!” they answered.
    “How do we destroy the family?” she came back.
    “By destroying the American Patriarch,” they cried exuberantly.
    “And how do we destroy the American Patriarch?” she replied.
    “By taking away his power!”
    “How do we do that?”
    “By destroying monogamy!” they shouted.
    “How can we destroy monogamy?”

    Their answer left me dumbstruck, breathless, disbelieving my ears. Was I on planet earth? Who were these people?

    “By promoting promiscuity, eroticism, prostitution and homosexuality!” they resounded.

    They proceeded with a long discussion on how to advance these goals by establishing The National Organization of Women. It was clear they desired nothing less than the utter deconstruction of Western society. The upshot was that the only way to do this was “to invade every American institution. Every one must be permeated with ‘The Revolution’”: The media, the educational system, universities, high schools, K-12, school boards, etc.; then, the judiciary, the legislatures, the executive branches and even the library system.

    RTWT.

    h/t: The Other McCain

  81. stackja

    History shows wars are started by someone wanting some else territory.
    Weakness by some towards others only creates more trouble.
    Western democracies for all their faults are compassionate and merciful.
    Civilian deaths in wars are a consequence of the actions of the war starters.

  82. Des Deskperson

    Mater, I’ve now read a number of Whish Wilson’s speeches, thanks. What an egotistical, morally conceited, immature, spoilt little pratt!!!

  83. twostix

    One of the muslim mantras is to talk of ‘Allah the compassionate, Allah the merciful’. Some muslims take that very seriously. And others do not. We kill the second lot. Quickly, becaue we are compassionate and merciful.

    Tell us.

    Which ones are they again so we can ban the others from coming to our countries and setting up sex-slave markets for infidel girls with the full knowledge of their moderate “communities”?

  84. C.L.

    Killing indiscriminately makes us no better than they are.

    *cough* Churchill *cough*

  85. NY state gubernatorial elections are coming up and guess what Democrat Governor Andrew Cuomo is running hard on? The reproductive rights of women to kill their unborn child at any stage of her pregnancy. However, the rights of Mary Jo Kopechne remain at the bottom of a tidal channel on Chappaquiddick Island.

  86. stackja

    Charles Edwin Woodrow Bean (1879-1968), historian and journalist, was born on 18 November 1879 at Bathurst, New South Wales

    In 1898 Bean won a scholarship to Hertford College, Oxford (B.A., 1902; B.C.L., 1904; M.A., 1905), where he read classics (preferring history to philosophy) and simplified his prose style, having ‘determined never, if possible, to write a sentence which could not be understood by, say, a housemaid of average intelligence’.

    While waiting for clients he was an assistant master at Sydney Grammar School, and wrote some articles for the Evening News, edited by Banjo Paterson. As associate to Sir William Owen and two colleagues he saw much of New South Wales on circuit in 1905-07. He wrote a book, illustrated by his own drawings, about Australia as seen by a returned native. ‘The impressions of a new chum’ could not find a publisher, but the Sydney Morning Herald printed eight articles out of it from 1 June to 20 July 1907, under the general title ‘Australia’, by ‘C.W.’. He saw Australians as the best of Britons, and celebrated the bushman rather as Kipling sang of other outriders of Empire.

    Bean resolved to live by writing rather than teaching or the law, and on Paterson’s advice went to the Sydney Morning Herald, which took him on as a junior reporter in January 1908 after he had spent eight hours a day for four months learning shorthand.

  87. hammy

    Why can’t that Menadue link be accepted as a whole?

  88. Mater

    Des,
    I apologise for forgetting the link in my previous post. Only just noticed.

  89. rebel with cause

    A solar panel made Whish-Wilson it’s bitch.

  90. C.L.

    The funny thing about Jane Caro and Gillard’s old socialist/feminist uni friends re “prostitution” is that all of them have made a living from selling their ownership of vulvas.

    Nothing else.

  91. Rudiau

    Why can’t that Menadue link be accepted as a whole?

    Doesn’t work for me either, Hammy.

  92. Tintarella di Luna

    What an egotistical, morally conceited, immature, spoilt little pratt!!!

    Loverly turn of phrase there Deskie, and accurate as a bonus.

  93. stackja

    Gavin Merrick Long (1901-1968), journalist and historian, was born on 31 May 1901 at Foster, Victoria

    Long’s interest in journalism had been stimulated by the publication of his casual contributions to newspapers and journals. Following a stint with the Daily Guardian in Sydney, he was employed (1926-31) as a junior on the Melbourne Argus. Even in that tough field his talent for accurate and objective reporting shone out, as did his enterprise and broadening versatility. His earnings from spare-time journalism for the Argus and the Australasian were considerable, amounting to about two-thirds of his salary. From June 1927 he wrote a weekly column on films for the Australasian. In November 1928 the Argus promoted him to general reporter. Little more than a year later he rose to senior reporter, only to be reduced to his former status because of the Depression. Accepting an offer of appointment as a senior with the Sydney Morning Herald, he began work as a sub-editor in July 1931.

  94. Infidel Tiger

    I just caught the tail end of some high brow conversation on the wireless. The ABC were interviewing a panel of Frightbat authors. One had written a short story about a game show prize where the winner got to fly to the moon and have anal sex with some sheila.

    She then babbled on about misogyny and the patriarchy. I quickly switched over to Racing Radio.

  95. Grigory M

    Mike of Marion – nice rendition by Yo-Yo Ma of Morricone’s “Ecstacy of Gold” from “The Good, The Bad & The Ugly“. Thanks for the link.

  96. hammy

    Sorry for all the experimentation, guys. But this tech issue puzzles me.

  97. Tintarella di Luna

    The funny thing about Jane Caro and Gillard’s old socialist/feminist uni friends re “prostitution” is that all of them have made a living from selling their ownership of vulvas.

    Of course Caro is academically gifted managing an Arts degree from the start-up shack at Macquarie Uni in semi-rural North Ryde in 1997. Apparently she manages regular work at the luvvie establishments which mostly run on the smell of green scum and of course taxpayer dollars.

  98. Infidel Tiger

    Sorry for all the experimentation, guys. But this tech issue puzzles me.

    No wukkas, hammy.

    You are a valued contributor and can do as you please.

  99. Aaron

    Apparently Plibersek referred to Africa as a country this morning. Obviously she didn’t learn much from Quentin Bryce’s multi-million dollar safari a few years ago. Will ABC Insiders devote as much time to this gaffe as they do to others made by Conservative politicians?

  100. Tintarella di Luna

    The funny thing about Jane Caro and Gillard’s old socialist/feminist uni friends re “prostitution” is that all of them have made a living from selling their ownership of vulvas.

    Pity you didn’t hang around IT you might have been able to impart the technical details of how that could be done by two shills, unless of course we’re talking alphabetically

  101. thefrollickingmole

    Hammy, have you tried chucking it in the “link” function up above?

  102. Tintarella di Luna

    Apparently Plibersek referred to Africa as a country this morning. Obviously she didn’t learn much from Quentin Bryce’s multi-million dollar safari a few years ago. Will ABC Insiders devote as much time to this gaffe as they do to others made by Conservative politicians?

    Aaron you have to understand geography was not the Solvenian Hag’s strong suit, but communication-wise because that’s her specialty, was the message clear and easily understood, that she’s a weak-witted poor low-grade bint?

  103. DrBeauGan

    Well twosticks, its a matter of whether they accept and follow our laws. First, bring back the death penalty for murder, treason and aggravated rape. When we catch them doing any of the above, we hang them. That could arguably warrant hanging the entire Rotherham city council and the ghastly woman we have hired to stop bullying in schools. I am not sure. It might require a careful definition of treason. Treason to western civilisation needs to be formulated as a capital offence. Tricky, but I’m sure we have some lawyers who are up to the job.

  104. MartinG

    hammy
    #1437586, posted on September 3, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Why can’t that Menadue link be accepted as a whole?

    Geez, hammy you’re not giving us much to go on. What’s the name of the article?

    Something like this ‘John Menadue. Mission creep in Iraq again’

  105. notafan

    DrBD, thankyou

    My point is that muslim males will be as disgusted and contemptuous as we are.

    And thus my point re radicalisation and rape gangs
    There are many other ethnic communities (and ordinary people )in Australia and the UK, for example, who equally despise the decadence of the west who do not indulge themselves in slaughtering innocents and raping little girls with the overt or tacit approval of ‘their’ community.
    That probably means we have to be honest and say it is something about Muslim culture and theology that drives this behaviour and not blame it on western decadence.
    It’s not as if islamic military agression slave taking etc are new phenomena, in fact, the most cursory glance at history sees 1400 years of violence right up til the end of the Ottoman in terms of attacks on the west and never ceasing violence against minorities in muslim dominated countries to date.
    I read a report where a non-muslim girl in Canada wore a hijab for 18 days and found people were more polite and respectful to her.
    Well that is not suprising as she is telling the world she is modest and religious.
    Of course some bigots will abuse women wearing the hijab just as some bigots abuse Christians wearing religious dress.
    As for ‘moderate’ muslims I am going to differentiate between ‘moderate’ devout muslims and secularised muslims and say for those who claim to be moderate and devout I am most dubious about their claims as I believe they would be the slow jihadists (or mere apologists) rather than the violent fast jihadists we know and don’t love.
    I get an overwhelming sense that muslims play the victim to get an advantage over the kafir while actually thinking that a muslim life is of greater value than other human life and that those views are bound up in their religion and culture . Australia should be careful in dealing with muslim demands for preferential treatment and not hesitate to treat muslims under the law in the same way as they do other Australians.
    After all how can someone get a lighter sentence for attempted child abduction because of religions reasons (the child abuser in Geelong)? It’s absurd.

  106. Rudiau

    Here you go Hammy.
    Cavan Hogue. Stick versus Carrot in Ukraine?
    A major problem with the situation in Ukraine is that you can’t believe anything anyone says because they all have their political agendas to push and don’t hesitate to lie.

    Crimea, Odessa and the Donbas region of Eastern Ukraine have Russian majorities who would produce a majority for being part of Russia in any free and fair plebiscite. So the issue is one of self-determination versus territorial integrity. There is also the question of Russian minorities elsewhere but only where they occupy a definable territorial area.

    Russia wants friendly states around it and Putin has pushed a highly nationalistic line domestically which has been popular. He says he will protect Russians wherever they may be. Domestic perceptions are vital to his continued success at home.. He is now in a position where he either bows publicly to Western pressure which will do him great harm domestically or continues to stand up to the wicked West which will be popular domestically..There is nothing unusual about Russians telling porkies about what they are doing. This is typical Russian behaviour and not unknown in the West.

    It is increasingly clear that Russia has gone from arming and supporting the separatists (cf the US in Nicaragua and Chile) to the insertion of “volunteers” to actually fight (cf US and Australian advisers in Vietnam). It is highly unlikely that Russia would go beyond the Russian speaking areas because that would be a whole new ball game where the Russians would find themselves amidst a hostile population. However, they are unlikely to stop supporting the separatists and presumably the ultimate aim is separate Russian states well disposed towards Russia.

    Putin’s reminder that Russia is a major nuclear power should be seen as simply tweaking the American nose because he knows that neither the US or the Europeans will commit troops. Kiev’s talk about full scale war is an obvious plea for stronger Western support which goes beyond threats of sanctions.

    The problem for the West is that sanctions will only strengthen Putin’s resolve and any solution must involve some kind of face saving formula which the Ukrainians will not be interested in finding. The Europeans are also vulnerable to counter sanctions from Russia in a way the Americans are not. Ukrainian membership of NATO would probably be seen by Russia like the US saw Soviet missiles in Cuba and, in any case, the Europeans would not be interested in this. Pushing NATO right up to the border with Russia was not a smart move.

    Australia’s hairy chested approach has lost our farmers export markets and achieved nothing else. We are not a serious player but are vulnerable if Russia wants to punish the monkey as a way of getting at the American organ grinder. Our approach has served to show our neighbours that, for all our talk about Asia, Europe is still our focus otherwise why would we be so strident about what is essentially a European problem? The Government’s aim is probably to appear tough domestically and to get our tummy tickled by Washington.
    So, in summary, Putin shows no sign of backing down and the West shows no sign of going beyond ineffective sanctions. The only solution would seem to be some kind of autonomy for the Russian speaking area of Ukraine achieved through a negotiated political solution. Russia has been backed into a corner where bowing to sanctions would be an enormous loss of face and the strident rhetoric by the West makes it hard to back down without loss of face.Perhaps less stick all round and a bit more carrot?

    Cavan Hogue was former Australian Ambassador to USSR and Russia.

  107. stackja

    After alleged iCloud breach, here’s how to secure your personal cloud

    Since the photos showed up immediately after an Apple “Find My iPhone” exploit was revealed, many are pointing their fingers at Apple’s own security situation.

    The security exploit in question “ibrute” was published on GitHub on Saturday. It used a security hole in the Find My iPhone service application programming interface (API). The hole allowed hackers to keep trying one password after another until they found one that worked. Once a password was found, it could then be used to access a user’s iCloud account.

    While this was an awful security hole, the exploit relies on ordinary account owners using bad passwords. The automated exploit uses a list of just 500 common passwords.

  108. Driftforge

    I just caught the tail end of some high brow conversation on the wireless. The ABC were interviewing a panel of Frightbat authors. One had written a short story about a game show prize where the winner got to fly to the moon and have anal sex with some sheila.

    Should have seen the fuss over the last couple months when a few right wing Mil-SF were nominated for the Hugo awards. They didn’t win, but the fuss it caused that they had simply been successfully nominated was immense.

    The winning entries, suffice to say, went along the lines you mentioned above.

    Submissions for best short story, as per Vox Day:

    “If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love” by Rachel Swirsky. Not just bad, but laughably, risibly, embarrassingly terrible. When the history of Pink SF/F is written, this Nebula Award winner should stand as Exhibit A. The fact that it was written and published is indicative of a problem in science fiction and fantasy. The fact that it won an award, any award, is a veritable indictment.

    “The Ink Readers of Doi Saket” by Thomas Olde Heuvelt. Reasonably well-written, seemingly well-researched story set in Thailand. Extremely boring and I’d have to read it again to identify the point. Not interested enough to bother. Neither science fiction nor fantasy.

    “Selkie Stories Are for Losers” by Sofia Samatar. The structure is piecemeal, the story is tedious, pointless, amateurish, and narcissistic. On the plus side, it is, unlike the others, identifiable as fantasy. Bad fantasy, to be sure, but fantasy.

    “The Water That Falls on You from Nowhere” by John Chu. Homosexual angst story about a Chinese man afraid to come out about his white boyfriend to his family, written by a homosexual Chinese man. It would appear someone took the advice to “write what you know” a little too literally. The writing isn’t bad and it would be the best story of the lot (which isn’t saying anything at all) if it had anything to do with science fiction or fantasy. Which it doesn’t.

    .

  109. DrBeauGan

    Dover B’s feminists would certainly go for the long drop.

  110. Dr Faustus

    Perhaps less stick all round and a bit more carrot?

    Which, in the face of evil intent, takes us to moral and political beige.

  111. MartinG

    hammy
    #1437598, posted on September 3, 2014 at 12:01 pm

    http://johnmenadue(dot)com

    Separator

    /blog/?p=2290

    It’s no wonder you’re link isn’t working it’s coming on the location bar as ‘http://www.johnmenadue%28dot%29com.com/’

  112. hammy

    Thanks Rudiau. It did occur to me to copy and paste it, but it just puzzles me why the link couldn’t be accepted on this blog, either as a straight link or as a hyperlink.

    Can the techos come up with an answer? Jacques?

  113. C.L.

    The crash happened during a military event to honour the pilot of another war plane that had crashed last week in the eastern city of Bayda.

    Libyan hot-dogger crashes fighter jet:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-03/three-dead-as-libyan-war-plane-crash-caught-on-camera/5715734

  114. C.L.

    12 commercial airliners missing from Tripoli airport; siezed by Muslim terrorists.

    They seem to be short of competent pilots, though. So that’s a plus.

  115. I full well say that most Muslims around the world have backward views.

    Why backward but not incorrect or erroneous views? I mean, yesterday you were referring to the Founding Fathers; isn’t this backward viewing? We will never beat progressives by adopting their words and phrases.

  116. notafan

    If you look at chapter seven of the linked report it is clear that Hindu and Sihk girls were also targetted by the rape gangs, how is ‘western decadence’ responsible for that?

    Easy Meat: Multiculturalism, Islam and Child Sex-Slavery

  117. hammy

    MartinG, what the site doesn’t like is JohnM’s name with no space, a dot, then com. Why?

  118. Infidel Tiger

    12 commercial airliners missing from Tripoli airport; siezed by Muslim terrorists.

    They seem to be short of competent pilots, though. So that’s a plus.

    As Mohammad Atta showed, they only need to know how to takeoff. The landing lessons won’t be necessary.

  119. C.L.

    I was reading a story yesterday on a poll showing two-thirds of Paki men (in Pakistan) don’t believe raping boys is even a crime. Apparently, they’re like, ‘what the hell?’

  120. DrBeauGan

    I largely agree, notafan. But to some extent it depends on the sect in which they are devout. I don’t think we’d have problems with devout Sufi any more than with devout orthodox Jews. Whereas a semi-devout Wahabist would make me nervous. Ultimately it comes down to whether they accept our law. And no special consideration whatever, for any race or religion.

  121. Zippy The Younger

    hammy #1437602,

    Sorry for all the experimentation, guys. But this tech issue puzzles me.

    So it’s not just politics and economics then?

  122. C.L.

    Tonight on SBS: Living With the Enemy.

    This series is set to confront prejudices and the fault lines in contemporary Australian society. Each episode explores a different subject currently dividing Australian opinion by asking people to live 24/7 with others whose lifestyles and beliefs directly contradict their own. Each pairing has never met each other before they spend 10 days together – five days in one world, then five days in the other. Gregory and Michael are passionate gay activists and atheists who are engaged to be married. David is a conservative Anglican minister and father of three who believes gay people should not be married. They’ll spend a roller-coaster 10 days immersed in each other’s worlds, knocking heads and challenging each other’s beliefs.

    What, no imams available?

  123. C.L.

    Sinclair, can you give Hammy a dedicated link battle thread?

  124. Infidel Tiger

    I was reading a story yesterday on a poll showing two-thirds of Paki men (in Pakistan) don’t believe raping boys is even a crime.

    Islam and homosexuality are joined at the sphincter.

    Two death cults united in their fear of vaginas.

  125. Bruce of Newcastle

    Should have seen the fuss over the last couple months when a few right wing Mil-SF were nominated for the Hugo awards.

    I read a lefty Mil SF not too long ago. It was rather good, but the politics were an odd fit.

  126. Rudiau

    Bret Stephens: Obama’s curious rage
    Calm when it comes to Putin, ISIS and Hamas, but furious with Israel.

    ….
    If Hamas had honored any of these cease-fires it could have saved Palestinian lives. It didn’t. Mr. Obama is enraged—but not with Hamas.

    As for Israel’s supposed ill-treatment of Mr. Kerry, the president should read Ben Birnbaum’s and Amir Tibon’s account of his secretary’s Mideast misadventures in the July 20 issue of the New Republic. It’s a portrait of a diplomat with the skills and style, but not the success, of Inspector Clouseau. Mr. Obama might also read Haaretz columnist Ari Shavit’s assessment of Mr. Kerry’s diplomacy: “The Obama administration,” he wrote in July, “proved once again that it is the best friend of its enemies, and the biggest enemy of its friends.”

    Both Haaretz and the New Republic are left-wing publications, sympathetic to Mr. Obama’s intentions, if not his methods.

    Still, the president is enraged. At Israel. What a guy.

  127. Token

    Sinclair, can you give Hammy a dedicated link battle thread?

    I can’t wait for Hammy’s next post wailing about the many other contributors who have helped him today.

  128. DrBeauGan

    Oh, and notafan, I didn’t suggest that western decadence was a reason for the rapes but that it encouraged recruitment to IS. Mind you, it may well have let them think they could get away with it. And for a long time, they were perfectly correct.

  129. Token

    Bret Stephens: Obama’s curious rage
    Calm when it comes to Putin, ISIS and Hamas, but furious with Israel.

    It has long been said about the left in general that they are feckless to their true friends and toothless toward their enemies. Obama is following the tradition of FDR in this:

    But Roosevelt’s pre-war leadership was a disaster. Terrified of losing domestic support for his “New Deal,” he ignored the rising threat of international fascism. He gladly signed the neutrality acts of the 1930s, making it illegal for the United States to offer assistance to any combatant in a European war—no matter what the circumstances. Perfectly in step with the nation’s isolationist mood, he denounced the idea that America would side with the democracies in a European war as “100 percent wrong.”

    It is often forgotten that FDR approved the infamous 1938 Munich Agreement—the diplomatic betrayal that delivered Czechoslovakia into Nazi hands and set the stage for the Second World War. While Winston Churchill denounced the pact as an “unmitigated defeat” for the cause of peace, Roosevelt asked Hitler for a guarantee that Germany would not attack other nations of Europe. (Hitler mocked the request during a Nazi party rally.)

  130. Blogstrop

    Humans don’t make very good shields.
    Most weapons go right through them.

  131. Tom

    Many thanks, Dover Beach, for your 11.42am link to the Mallory Millett article. Rivetting reading. And quite a few bombshells, including the paragraphs you extracted:

    “By promoting promiscuity, eroticism, prostitution and homosexuality!” they resounded.

    They proceeded with a long discussion on how to advance these goals by establishing The National Organization of Women. It was clear they desired nothing less than the utter deconstruction of Western society. The upshot was that the only way to do this was “to invade every American institution.

    Of course, having corrupted all our major institutions, the left now also uses its control of them to hide the truth about the murderous evil of the left. Marjorie Millett’s thesis about communism’s manipulation of American feminists to destroy the American family has been censored from her sister Kate Millett’s Wikipedia page:

    In a 2014 essay, Millett’s younger sister (and collaborator on the film Three Lives) Mallory Millett wrote that Kate Millett had “had serious mental health issues” throughout her entire life, and called her “a brutal sadist” and “a violent bully” with a “genius for chaos”. She also blamed her sister in part for the deinstitutionalization movement of the 1970s in the United States, which she wrote “culminated in the depositing on the streets of NYC thousands of confused, terrified and seriously disturbed persons left to fend for themselves”.

    Just to recap: while preening itself about its moral superiority, the 21st century left systematically locates the evil in every major social, political and moral issue, then embraces it and defends it to the death. Check it for yourself.

  132. Tom

    Marjorie Mallory Millett. D’oh!

  133. Leigh Lowe

    Stutchbury is the one making false claims. Even if Sloan is wrong in her belief, that does not imply that she knew her belief to be false when she stated it. Stutchbury is accusing Sloan of acting in bad faith when stating an opinion about the professionalism of a journalist.
    Where is his supporting evidence?

    Correct.
    And Judith Sloan’s article was published in the “Opinion” section of the paper.
    There’s a hint there … that it might be her opinion.( Although there is ample evidence that Fewfacts journos/editors and their readers don’t distinguish between “General News” and “Opinion”).
    In any case, the real point here should not be lost. That is, that the AFR published a series of articles attacking SMSF’s and listed three main gripes:-
    (1) Dividend Imputation;
    (2) Tax free status for funds in the retirement phase and tax free withdrawals over 60 years of age; and
    (3) The ability to make after-tax contributions up to $150k per annum
    The point is that these provisions are available to members of all funds, not just SMSFs. If you want to attack those conditions, feel free, but to imply that they are somehow a privileged benefit available to only a few is disingenuous … no, it is lying.
    The contentious part of the article was some statistic showing a small number of SMSF members with a balance of $5m or more. The real question is not where this data came from, but why it was published. What was the relevance of SMSF balances alone? Why not publish the number of members of Industry or Retail funds with high balances?
    Unless, of course, you want to fuel class warfare against “da rich”.

  134. Grigory M

    From 9.07am:

    Why does it not surprise me that the way human remains appear when piled together is an area of expertise for you?

    Here’s a link for you, Token – Ossuary.

    It’s not “an area of expertise” for me – just something I know a little about. I don’t know why it does not surprise you that I do – perhaps you could help me out there

    So, Token – as I asked this morning – why does it not surprise you?

  135. Leigh Lowe

    Why can’t that Menadue link be accepted as a whole?

    I dunno.
    Maybe Jacques has got a new shit-filter installed.

  136. stackja

    Token
    #1437678, posted on September 3, 2014 at 12:47 pm

    Of course FDR was advised by Stalin.

    How “Uncle Joe” Bugged FDR
    Diplomacy is often compared to poker, even when conducted between professed friends. And in poker, who has the better chance of winning—the one who holds his cards close to his vest or the one who holds them up in front of a mirror, believing that by so doing he is making a show of good faith? FDR, like his gullible emissaries Hopkins and Davies, insisted on showing his cards, hoping to win over the man who liked to torture and destroy his friends, just as he liked to torment and humiliate his foreign allies before accepting their gifts of land and humanity. The stakes were not friendship and world harmony, as FDR fondly hoped, but the boundaries for the coming Cold War.

  137. Leigh Lowe

    That one got up after three previous failed attempts.

    This is not the place to recount your first sexual encounter, Hammy.

  138. notafan

    it may well have let them think they could get away with it.

    I agree, I’m not sure that beheading American journalists was how they thought they would get Obama to stop bombing them.
    I imagine that Al-Bagdadi and his cronies have very interesting meetings, inshallah what do they do if they loss, realise that is God’s will?

  139. Token

    Of course FDR was advised by Stalin.

    Been reading about China during & after WWII where Stalin played the power politics backing both the Nationalists and the Communists as suited his agenda while FDR was played by all sides.

    I’ve got to dig up some books about the Lend Lease program and how cronies within and without the US looted it.

  140. Zippy The Younger

    DrBeauGan
    #1437645, posted on September 3, 2014 at 12:30 pm
    I largely agree, notafan. But to some extent it depends on the sect in which they are devout. I don’t think we’d have problems with devout Sufi any more than with devout orthodox Jews. Whereas a semi-devout Wahabist would make me nervous

    Sufis are no less inclined to action the tenants of islam then any other strand.
    original page

    http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2013/05/20/the-savage-history-of-jihad-in-india/

    from a cat post http://catallaxyfiles.com/2013/05/22/wednesday-forum-may-22-2013/comment-page-3/#comment-853625

    Projecting one beliefs about religion on islam leads one to grave errors of understanding.

    If you look at the assassinations sanctioned by the prophet you will note a distinct lack of tolerance for satiric poets, or these days satiric cartoons.

  141. Token

    It’s not “an area of expertise” for me – just something I know a little about. I don’t know why it does not surprise you that I do – perhaps you could help me out there

    So, Token – as I asked this morning – why does it not surprise you?

    Strange you of all people care about the opinions of others.

  142. MartinG

    hammy
    #1437638, posted on September 3, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    MartinG, what the site doesn’t like is JohnM’s name with no space, a dot, then com. Why?

    I’m beginning to think it’s the site that’s blocked and not you. I ran some tests on it and Catallaxyfiles won’t accept that address either directly or at the blog.

  143. incoherent rambler

    Projecting one beliefs about religion on islam leads one to grave errors of understanding.

    +1

  144. thefrollickingmole

    C.L.

    Sounds like a rip-off of “wife swap” from the US.

  145. Marjorie Mallory Millett. D’oh!

    Tom, no worries. BTW, that was my mistake. I’m going to see if I can actually meet her. I know the church Rev. George Butler serves in NYC; Holy Innocents on 34th Street.

  146. notafan

    I’m back Obama and I’m back because of your arrogant foreign policy towards the Islamic state, because of your insistence in continuing your bombings in Amelie, Amerli and the Mosul Dam despite our serious warnings. You Obama have yet again, through your actions, killed yet another American Citizen, so just as your missiles continue to strike our people, our Knife will continue to strike the necks of your people

    The message from the Islamic State reaver as he murders Steve Sotloff.

    How dare the US defend the people of Amerli and prevent Islamic State from slaughtering them!

  147. thefrollickingmole

    Dover Beach
    Tom

    Good little read that one, and echos my own idea (not original) that the Soviet Union had a deliberate policy of white anting what made the “west” work, only problem was their own system was too shit to outlast Regan.

    Imagine in President Bambi was in charge during the cold war, when serious men were making serious decisions.. I just couldnt imagine him being elected with out the intervening 25 years of moral relativism and educational corruption weve been through.

    And it has been going on for a very long time, I can remember singing along happily to “little boxes” and other lefty tunes during class (without knowing what they were about). Somehow the ABC and education department thought those songs were good for 7 year olds? Then there was the constant evil “Ronnie Ray-Gun” where it was that bad Mr Regan who would push the button and kill us all.

    Im sure older people than me may have escaped this subtle but never ending drumbeat through their schooling, but I gather its impossible now.

  148. johanna

    She then babbled on about misogyny and the patriarchy. I quickly switched over to Racing Radio.

    I find that switching from ABC TV to Seven Mate has the same effect. Nothing like the History of Le Mans, or watching a bunch of rednecks who are not good at book learnin’ (as one of them said recently) strip, rebuild and customise a car or truck to perfectionist standards, to bring back some sense of reality.

  149. Fisky

    It is increasingly clear that Russia has gone from arming and supporting the separatists (cf the US in Nicaragua and Chile) to the insertion of “volunteers” to actually fight (cf US and Australian advisers in Vietnam).

    Cavan Hogue sounds like the kind of pro-Communist propagandist that was common in Australia’s diplomatic corps in the 70s and 80s, and the legacy of which can often be found in Fairfax broadsheets (also see, Broinowski, A). The US played no role at all in the Pinochet coup, the General was competent enough to smash Allende on his own. And there was no territorial separatism in Nicaragua at all.

  150. Ellen of Tasmania

    Why backward but not incorrect or erroneous views? I mean, yesterday you were referring to the Founding Fathers; isn’t this backward viewing? We will never beat progressives by adopting their words and phrases.

    Ummm …. Dover??

    (Thanks for the Millett link, BTW. I’d be offended by their accusation of ‘prostitute-to-one-man’ if it wasn’t so terribly sad and stupid. No wonder people think they can have SSM now. They have no idea what marriage is anymore.)

  151. Alexis

    I agree, I’m not sure that beheading American journalists was how they thought they would get Obama to stop bombing them.
    I imagine that Al-Bagdadi and his cronies have very interesting meetings, inshallah what do they do if they loss, realise that is God’s will?

    They want to drag the US INTO the war not out of it

  152. Token

    Imagine in President Bambi was in charge during the cold war, when serious men were making serious decisions.

    We got an idea what would happen due to a guy named Carter. As a result of his bungles Vietnam was surrendered, Iran was turned over the mullahs and he finally woke up to the Soviets when they invaded Afghanistan.

  153. hammy

    Cavan Hogue sounds like the kind of pro-Communist propagandist

    Typical right-wing slur. The fact is that Cavan Hogue is a very talented diplomat whom developed a strong understanding of the Russians during his stay at the embassy. We need people like him who demonstrate an understanding of Russians, who have suffered greatly because of Reagan’s illegal destruction of the USSR a quarter-century ago.

  154. Andrew

    Mater, I’ve now read a number of Whish Wilson’s speeches, thanks. What an egotistical, morally conceited, immature, spoilt little pratt!!!

    So more balanced and likable than Grublam, then?

  155. Tom

    Reagan’s illegal destruction of the USSR a quarter-century ago.

    Absolute GOLD on so many levels, Hamster.

  156. Ellen of Tasmania

    “As Newark deteriorated around them, the monks took on the job of educating teenage boys growing up in a chaotic urban environment. Many students were products of a collapsing public school system that would one day be seized from the city by state officials.

    Decades later, St. Benedict’s is still there, and its recent history is a remarkable story of educational success under extraordinarily challenging circumstances. …

    In one scene, St. Benedict’s headmaster and guiding spirit, Father Edwin Leahy, counsels a young man on the verge of failing out; the boy’s mother explains his chaotic behavior outside of school, including shuttling among various relatives, as his way of having “fun.” In an exchange that I doubt you’d hear in any contemporary guidance counselor’s office, Father Edwin asks the kid, “Who told you you’re supposed to have fun? Everybody else has to work their behinds off so you can have fun?” …

    The film’s subtitle asks, “Want Inner City Schools to Finally Succeed?” If only it were as easy as merely wanting it. New Jersey, often with prodding from its courts, has spent staggering sums trying to fix Newark’s schools. Currently, the district’s graduation rate languishes at just 22 percent, despite spending about $25,000 per pupil. Much of that money has been wasted. Institutional inertia, slavish adherence to fashionable pedagogies that have never proved effective, and the power of special-interest groups, like teachers’ unions, have all blocked meaningful change. The kind of radical transformation that St. Benedict’s represents, with its 1,500-year-old guidepost, is hard to imagine except in the most extraordinary circumstances. …”

    http://www.city-journal.org/2014/bc0902sm.html

  157. Grigory M

    Strange you of all people care about the opinions of others.

    Why so, Token? I am a caring person – that is self-evident. You may have noted that on the topic of our on-going dialogue today, I have put forward my opinion (being what I think are likely scenarios for events in the Ukraine) and at no time have I disputed your opinion on the same subject. You, on the other hand, have not extended the same courtesy to me – rather, you have sought to denigrate my opinion and inferred there is something unsavoury about my knowing what an Ossuary is ( knowledge that is quite widespread among the various religions of the world). What I seek to know from you is – why?

  158. DrBeauGan

    Zippy, IR, getting your information about the tenets (not tenants) of islamic sects from anti-muslim hate sites may not be the safest and most reliable guide either. I’m not projecting my religious ideas on anyone. I regard all religions as comprising two parts, the ethical component and the mumbo-jumbo. More muslims take both components sseriously than most christians in the west.

    I’m a neo-buddhist. :)

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