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Those parts of education, it is to be observed, for the teaching of which there are no public institutions, are generally the best taught. When a young man goes to a fencing or a dancing school, he does not indeed always learn to fence or to dance very well; but he seldom fails of learning to fence or to dance.
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Paul Barry – the Press Gallery just follows things and report it.
He can’t possibly really believe that. Maybe he does? What an awful thought.
The press gallery is just the tip of the media advisor/propagandist iceberg.
What’s Royal Commissions got to do with the price of fish?
Poodle has the best recipe accent for all lefty c.unts, his accent gets right up their nose.
Murdoch conspiracy alert!!!!
Murdoch666….with bells on! A waiter’s perspective…
Now we’re getting Paul Barry’s intimate evesdropping when ‘I was a waiter’.
Gee – I was a waitress once. Put me on the show.
Actorvist (great new word) trying to be wise. Now admits he was a waiter.Probably has a B.A from MacQuarie.
A socialist utopia in Spain
Just what they need
Socialist utopia in Spain. FM.
The people in the Video Question never fail to crack me up, just before I run screaming to the kitchen for another drink.
Thurston wins again! Go Cowboys!
Now, that was odd…
Weird old Dr. Livingstone asking some jungle questions now. On Skype.
Rolf Harris has been exiled to a commune in Spain.
Jesus Mary and Joseph. An actual bearded communist.
Ok, the ABC can be closed now.
Yes let’s become Albania.
Swan now channeling Piketty! Oh dear…
“Capitalism isnt working well”.
Fuck me showing his colours now
Odd how The Rudd government looks worse the more it recedes.
Is wealth in Australia getting clustered at the top?
Wayne arguing against capitalism……what does he prefer…..
The goose back on about ‘the taxing problem’. Thank Christ he is not still at the helm.
Out and proud swany, communist prick
And that’s saying something.
Swanee hates capitalism. quelle suprise.
Oh yes and he is a complete tard
Wayne…you have really buried the ALP tonight…Billy Boy will be sending you a message STFU
Goose now wants to tax us till the pips squeak.
Dat’s a hairpiece, says Da Hairy Irish Ape as Goose yammers on. He’s got a hairpiece.
Stop taking my lines, I say to him. I am the hair expert in dull TV moments here.
Kate is very good value. But keeps getting interrupted by Snowcone. Misogynist.
Big bum…too much tax eating…
Shane Wand denounces capitalism.
I am going to be so drunk tonight…
Snowcone caning those who lawfully minimise their tax. No doubt he refuses to salary sacrifice a cent of his enormous taxpayer-funded salary for altruistic reasons.
Folks, if you don’t like the tax system, change it… what tax “should” we pay? But when asked if they are breaking the law, Swan says no? Well, how much?
Kate Carnell valiantly trying to insert a level of reality into the tax debate.
Goose – it’s legal but ‘not ethical’. He’s missed his métier as a parson.
Mining companies pay 15% tax
Que?
Throw across to Laura Tingle all you want, she’ll catch it with her man jands
That is worrying news Top Ender. Very close to the capital.
Looking forward to Wayne talking about the means of production.
Top Tweet;
“The public sent your socialist ideology packing on 7th Sept 2013 Wayne”
LOL!
I’m surprised enough by Kate Carnell to think I must have had her mixed up with somebody else.
Go Chris
Twitter fool saying ‘no-one ever talks about a Capitalist Utopia’.
Yes they do, you twit. You are benefiting from it right now, despite your efforts to destroy its reality.
Wayne, mate, I went and got one of my old textbooks from my uni days of studying psychology.
“When we learn that there’s a disparity between that reality and the perceptions that other people have of us it is always enlightening, rarely flattering and, more often than not, insulting.”
Find a mirror Wayne. Look into it. THERE’S the Labor Party problem. They’re idiots and they don’t know it.
Fat head actor cuts off Kate. Misogyny!
So the show heads to profit shifting.
There is a solution to this.
Actors are one legged capital
Remind Wayne that even Keynes was strongly committed to maintaining the liberal capitalist order to preserve democracy.
Youth unemployment – no crisis says Pine into the general clamour of dismay.
Apparently four out of five young people don’t have jobs.
Nobody mentions a)whether those young people are looking for jobs or b) if they are, what jobs are they prepared to actually take?
Teacher. I knew it. You can tell.
Pyne kicking arse.
Pyne slaps down dodgy questioner with the fact bat.
Pyne is belting this lefty questioner very well.
Oh, come on Nilk! They’re sensitive, educated people. They can’t do just anything.
I was told by Tony Jones that there would be questions on tax evasion
There have been questions on legitimate tax dodges but no evasion – is the ABC guilty of
A) False advertising
B) Bias towards left wing positions
C) Overpaying Tony Jones
Or
D) all of the above
Pyne completely demolishes lefty question – no applause, you could hear a pin drop.
Absolutely, Spider.
Pyne points out that it’s not the socio-economic status of the school, it’s the teacher that really counts. We’re pouring bucketloads of dosh into the schools, and we’re doing…. oops. SnowCone interrupts.
LOL Chris points out that he was interrupted.
More money does not equal teacher quality FFS.
Now public education question from a public sort of person. Female, talking ‘Gonski’, obviously runs a P and C somewhere and pretty sniffy obviously that Da Pardee didn’t win the election. The sort that keeps you away from the P and C.
The downturn on that mouth would do any pre-schooler proud.
There you go Social disadvantage. Give everyone $50000. Problem solved.
Go Kate, figures not right!
One of Wayne’s biggest problems is the way he views spending and revenue ” through the looking glass”.
Parents background and if they give a shit is all that matters, however a great techer can impact a kid for life, schools live or die on the performance of the Principal.
Swanee – we can compare with asia.
No you fucking can’t, asia has the whole work ethic and hard study market locked up you dumbass
5% of the population don’t understand it including Tingle.
Sorry Blondie- I know what Gonski is abt and its lefty claptrap growing the ranks of education public servants. Shut up you silly lefty goose.
I need another glass of wine.
Best comment of the night, in my humble opinion ….
Let’s not mention the elephant in the room. Those of us of a certain age were busting our gut to leave school so we could get a job. These days a large percentage of kids are busting their gut to leave school so they can head to Centrelink.
Who is the smug patronising woman of a certain age with her 5% BS?
….and Laura bangs on and on and on again…and gets clapped. Maybe they were glad she stopped?
Crisis!
How the education system works to produce jobs…huh?
Yes precisely Pine.
That’s it, I’m smashing my TV.
Which, according to Wayne, will boost my wealth considerably.
La Tingle reading a thesis on ‘social disadvantage and education’.
She’s wrong on much of what she said, says Pyne, and fights back.
Fuck I hate actors.
Carpe, first, welcome home.
Secondly, you should get a kick-back from the ABC for doubling the viewership of this awful program.
And that’s why teachers need 100k and principals need 200k plus – clearly we are underpaying them!
And the audience just proved it’s full of teachers this week
Blondie doesnt realise forward estimates are 4yr only fwd plans. Idiot.
Tingle. What happens after that. Labor unfunded after 4 years.
Doc sees young people “at failure to launch” frequently and tells them and their accompanying parents carefully. It’s not a fun gig.
What we really need is exponential growth in education rent-seeking.
Education = more money. That’s obviously all there is to it.
You will then have a revenue problem
What on earth is the actor on about???
Why does Tony interrupt Pyne, but not this add-zero-value-actor who is wasting all our time?
Sadly you’re correct
Questioner now making shit up and getting quite annoyed…lol
Oh wow that question was just…
Lizzie, as a hair expert can you explain why these middle aged women with bobs are so bloody earnest and unhappy?
She’s a teacher…of course she is. The condescension oozes…
Funding programs in a quivery voice, what programs?
There IS a crisis in public education – just not the one they are all talking about.
Oops, her again, says HIA. Why, why, why.
He’s brought out the Port. Yep, one for me too please.
Banging on about her ‘year twelve students’, and their HECs debts ruining their lives and opportunities.
Carnell talk about the ‘generous loan schemes’. Sniffy just sniffs some more.
Oh fuc,k, HECS debt is the cheapest debt you will ever get in you whole life, FMD
Oh, look, teacher whining more about money and how students change their electives because they don’t want to take on a HECS debt, or because they can’t afford the costs involved with their preferred electives.
Nilk says: welcome to the real world. Go get a paper round and pay for it yourself if you really want it.
Yes, because who else to teach ‘Gender Studies’ than someone who has a degree in ‘Gender Studies’…and on it goes.
That’s production right there.
Programs that she believes in, natch.
Sniffy sniffs some more and claps Goose.
Pyne says Goose is talking ‘complete bumkum’.
Call it the way it is, Christopher. We are cheering you on here.
Come on Chris – facts don’t make any difference here.
The best place to increase education expenditure is on bipolar ex-cons with attitude.
Swanny just said HECS debt will scare off students – why? It’s awesome debt you don’t have to repay
He also said a teacher won’t earn enough to pay off 40k at shit all interest – 7 year teachers earn 90k, bud
Pyne is awesome
Actor bloke is muttering about Gough Whitlam.
Doubtless has a T-shirt with him on it too.
Omg Gough
Barry burbling on praising Whitlam. Whit’s in a nursing home now Barry, why not head there yourself?
Pyne is killing it tonight
That actor’s bean is a fist magnet. Those smug ears need boxing…now! *
*nadt
Oh gawd playing the Whitlam card miff.
Amusingly enough, he made the point that currently the majority of teachers come straight from college, and yet they are responsible for providing the next generation with the tools needed to make their way in a corporate world.
I don’t think he quite understood what he was saying, espec as Chris agreed with him and said that the Libs want to make it easier for people with real world experience to move into teaching.
Oh noes! He’s a victim too!
Pyne is right free education made no difference to participation in higher education by people from poorer families
WTF… you lost your leg and we lost our compassion???
Dorothy Dixer to Barry about how bad Australians are on disability; seems we’ve lost compassion, says the Parson, and here we go, here comes the abacus again.
And he doesn’t like the abacus.
Politically incorrect.
Maintain the rave!
Come on, actor – these are minimum wage slaves that you’re dissing.
Bring back dip Ed for people with industry experience
Excellent
Actor talking shite
What is the actorvist (thanks Nilk) on about for crying out loud? Being fondled in public? What the??
The Actor revealing his vast superiority over other miserable Australians now.
Disability is a mind set and awwh my gawd does this guy milk it. FMD
Told youse he needed his ears boxing!
TV about people with disabilities nice but what if noone watches?
Oh, the actor is legless, like most Cats by the end of Q&A.
Sounds like when he lost his leg he lost his ability to be polite as well.
Go Kate
Kate Carnell is a goodie, and I like her jacket.
Or…boxed.
And now it’s over…
Shelley he’s bleating because he was apparently singled out for extra checking at the airport. That’s my reading of it.
And now we need a disabled quota in film and tv. Since we have quotas for damned near everything else (except white, straight, christian or jewish men and one of those is way too many), why not?
Mental health week next week
…Wayne swan again?
Rocky, eh?
Holy shit that was like pulling teeth
Maybe the ABC Fact Checker ought to give the questions on Q&A the once over?
Next Q&A is about mental health.
No change there then.
Mental Health next week…so Wayne is staying over for the next show
Broadcasting from Rocky next week.
Be difficult to get an audience. They are all usually in bed asleep by 830pm.
Bob Katter will be on – he is totally incomprehensible….
That’s all folks!
Katter to be asked about gays next week…oh great!
Bloody hell. Next week. Another actor. Gay. Bob Katter. Shit. Spare me.
Katter’s just the man for the Mental Health edition…..
I’ve not been drinking these last few weeks. I can’t do Q&A without alcohol. There ought to be a law against it.
Holy cow it’s just getting worse.
On a slightly more serious note, qanda will once again be diverging into a ‘special’ next week
There are more specials than regular political discussions now
Interruptions came in at 53
no winner, good luck next week
Seriously if you only had Q&A as a guide you’d have to say that there are no conservative teachers, nurses or actors in Australia. None.
No, he is wrong. Free University education discriminated against poorer families. Relatively few poorer families in the seventies could support university age children, even if they had scholarships. The brighter among that group relied on industry supported education, such as traineeships. That support largely disappeared with free tertiary education.
Hmmmmmmm I wonder if I can get in on the audience,
Ok, bar’s open folks.
Why are you guys watching Q&A when you could be disemboweling yourselves?
Crown for me thank Anne
Tks Carpe. Make sure the chaps are being aired
Speaking of that mental health week ABC are promoting – I heard a promotion for it on the radio, which differed to the promo on the TV in that the radio promotion ended with the voice over saying ‘…and dig deep’. So clearly some form of fundraising will form a major part of this special week.
I am not dissing mental health per se, but I do find it amazing that there are soooo many people who self identify as having a mental health disability.
Well I am off peeps.
Breakfast service starts at 6.30 to the rooms.
Sigh
Their oestrogen is leaking out of their follicles. Cut their hair and it’s reverse Delilah.
They need some HRT.
Uh oh. Da Hairy Ape is playing some madrigals. Tra la la la la la. Da Merry Springtime.
I think I shall have to ration his Q and A.
I demand Hockey takes another look at the budget, he must’ve missed something.
Think I missed one of the la’s there in that sequence: Tra la la la la la lah is the way it goes.
thankyou Leo I did remember there was no increase in university participation, and that was the only thing that the lefty uni snobs cared about
Seriously if you only had Q&A as a guide you’d have to say that there are no conservative teachers, nurses or actors in Australia. None.
My partner is a teacher, I regularly go to functions involving rooms full of teachers (and they often marry each other, so private sector people are few and far, and communicate with each other via furtive looks)
They are easily 90% left – a few are old left – ie trade union but dislike the muslims
No questions on climate change – even though at the start Snowcone said it was a preferred topic.
Kate Carnell is so dartingly birdlike!
Shelley, I promise to be of better quality if you pay me more. Or at least try. Or pretend. Just gimmee and quit yer bitchin’! 🙂
I’ve always admired you guys being able to watch and type comments at the same time. Like our first female Proime Minster famously said one time ‘I can walk gum and chew shoes at the same toime’.
Noted the comments on the makeup of the audience. I remarked here last year about the 40% libs, 30%labor etc. It’s still going on. They must think we are dimmies and just stick the same percentages up every time. Bet it will be the same next week.
Then I notice the comment Laura married to Ramsey, you mean old Alan Ramsey?? Well she would need big man hands to swat at him. Or is he to old to go the biff?? I lived in Canberra for many years, met a woman who was in a relationship with him. Questionable taste.
As for the education business, thought noone wanted to be school teachers.
Oh and why am I not surprised, Actor/activist, dressed in his best aboriginal flag tshirt, with whatever hanging around his neck. Wonder if he visits Whitlam often.
Cheers guys. Love your comments. Can’t wait for the mental issues next week. Bob Katter, well that will be worth waiting for. Will he talke about dementia?
God I despise Shane Wand. He just brings out the worst thoughts in me.
In my case I could not go to university because of the living costs in the city, there were three siblings still at home on the farm , and two of them were boys ( this was late 60’s after all).
Currently the same living cost pressures apply. Country students have to fund their food and rent and transport to go to even a local country University, it is a significant extra cost to many. And there are few student jobs. City kids stay at home with parents and get subsidised transport to campus, and are much more likely to be able to waitress or barista on the side.
Complete Mapp and Lucia will do me tonight, thanks Tinta And PM.
Turns out Q&A is a perfect accompaniment for watching the golf with the Cat turned on.
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#1464269, posted on September 30, 2014 at 12:07 am
No, he is wrong. Free University education discriminated against poorer families. Relatively few poorer families in the seventies could support university age children, even if they had scholarships. The brighter among that group relied on industry supported education, such as traineeships. That support largely disappeared with free tertiary education.
In my case I could not go to university because of the living costs in the city, there were three siblings still at home on the farm , and two of them were boys ( this was late 60?s after all).
In 50s. 60s, Commonwealth Scholarship, besides paying Uni Fess, and from memory Uni Book allowance, also paid a Living Away From Home Allowance, which you could use to go to Sydney Uni College, even though I lived in Sydney.
Worse than that – at my school (80+ teachers), there is 1 libertarian, 1 LDP (supposedly an ex political staffer) , and three slightly “right” of center.
Almost a 1-1 correlation with the 1+1+3 figures quoted 🙂
So true – much of year 11 have a “days left until I can escape this s****le” calendar and one of my enterprising year 9s actually created an app for them.
Pyne is plain wrong about SES – a collegue moved 4 schools south into a higher SES area – consequently he spends 90% teaching & 10% in classroom management rather than the 50%/50% at work. In consequence “his” HSC results improved in the year after the move (same program & resources) – from 0* band 6, 1 *band 5 , 3 *band 4, and 10* band 1&2 (6 the highest) he went to 5 *band 6, 4 *band 5, 3 *band 4 and no band 1 or 2 or 3.
Gonski was all assed backwards – it was asked to look at how much money the best performing schools got vs the worst & said lets fund the worst so they get the same as the best – instead of looking at – what are the best schools doing that the worst aren’t , and then come up with a way to fund the training, resources etc need for the worst to do what the best did.
Having come from private enterprise and having managed project teams that had larger budgets than the school’s, though with half the staff, I am still, after 3 years, suffering culture shock at how inefficiently schools are run & how much time is wasted reinventing the wheel and admin (despite my whole senior course being online, the attendance system being online, the students ticking off that they have completed work, I am still expected to maintain a paper folder withe copies of the syllabus, support documentation, scope & sequence (ie a project plan for how I intend to teach the course) and virtually everything that I have on my LMS & printed copies of rolls and attendance etc etc – I could easily back the whole up onto a usb stick (or SD card) & retain that for 7 years – but noooo it all has to be paper.
Mine too; maybe we’re related.