Q&A Forum: September 29, 2014

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  1. Rich

    As you probably know, a paradigm is a model or a pattern. It’s a shared
    set of assumptions that have to do with how we perceive the world.
    Paradigms are very helpful because they allow us to develop expectations
    about what will probably occur based on these assumptions. But when
    data falls outside our paradigm, we find it hard to see and accept. This is
    called the PARADIGM EFFECT. And when the paradigm effect is so strong
    that we are prevented from actually seeing what is under our very noses,
    we are said to be suffering from paradigm paralysis.

    There you have it

  2. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Paul Barry – the Press Gallery just follows things and report it.

    He can’t possibly really believe that. Maybe he does? What an awful thought.

  3. Leo G

    The press gallery is just the tip of the media advisor/propagandist iceberg.

  4. Jimmy the Boy

    What’s Royal Commissions got to do with the price of fish?

  5. MsDolittle

    Poodle has the best recipe accent for all lefty c.unts, his accent gets right up their nose.

  6. Andrew

    Murdoch conspiracy alert!!!!

  7. calli

    Murdoch666….with bells on! A waiter’s perspective…

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Now we’re getting Paul Barry’s intimate evesdropping when ‘I was a waiter’.
    Gee – I was a waitress once. Put me on the show.

  9. PeterF

    Actorvist (great new word) trying to be wise. Now admits he was a waiter.Probably has a B.A from MacQuarie.

  10. Rich

    A socialist utopia in Spain

    Just what they need

  11. Shelley

    Socialist utopia in Spain. FM.

  12. Tracey

    The people in the Video Question never fail to crack me up, just before I run screaming to the kitchen for another drink.

  13. Tony M

    Thurston wins again! Go Cowboys!

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Weird old Dr. Livingstone asking some jungle questions now. On Skype.

  15. Mr Rusty

    Rolf Harris has been exiled to a commune in Spain.

  16. Insert Name

    Jesus Mary and Joseph. An actual bearded communist.

    Ok, the ABC can be closed now.

  17. Spider

    Yes let’s become Albania.

  18. Andrew

    Swan now channeling Piketty! Oh dear…

  19. Northshore Redneck

    “Capitalism isnt working well”.

    Fuck me showing his colours now

  20. Leo G

    Odd how The Rudd government looks worse the more it recedes.

  21. Rich

    Is wealth in Australia getting clustered at the top?

  22. Jimmy the Boy

    Wayne arguing against capitalism……what does he prefer…..

  23. Shelley

    The goose back on about ‘the taxing problem’. Thank Christ he is not still at the helm.

  24. MsDolittle

    Out and proud swany, communist prick

  25. Insert Name

    Odd how The Rudd government looks worse the more it recedes.

    And that’s saying something.

  26. Swanee hates capitalism. quelle suprise.

    Oh yes and he is a complete tard

  27. Pecker

    Wayne…you have really buried the ALP tonight…Billy Boy will be sending you a message STFU

  28. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Goose now wants to tax us till the pips squeak.

    Dat’s a hairpiece, says Da Hairy Irish Ape as Goose yammers on. He’s got a hairpiece.
    Stop taking my lines, I say to him. I am the hair expert in dull TV moments here.

  29. Shelley

    Kate is very good value. But keeps getting interrupted by Snowcone. Misogynist.

  30. calli

    Odd how The Rudd government looks worse the more it recedes.

    Big bum…too much tax eating…

  31. Motelier

    Shane Wand denounces capitalism.

    I am going to be so drunk tonight…

  32. Tracey

    Snowcone caning those who lawfully minimise their tax. No doubt he refuses to salary sacrifice a cent of his enormous taxpayer-funded salary for altruistic reasons.

  33. Tony M

    Folks, if you don’t like the tax system, change it… what tax “should” we pay? But when asked if they are breaking the law, Swan says no? Well, how much?

  34. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Kate Carnell valiantly trying to insert a level of reality into the tax debate.

    Goose – it’s legal but ‘not ethical’. He’s missed his métier as a parson.

  35. Rich

    Mining companies pay 15% tax

    Que?

  36. MsDolittle

    Throw across to Laura Tingle all you want, she’ll catch it with her man jands

  37. Shelley

    That is worrying news Top Ender. Very close to the capital.

  38. Insert Name

    Looking forward to Wayne talking about the means of production.

  39. Mr Rusty

    Top Tweet;
    “The public sent your socialist ideology packing on 7th Sept 2013 Wayne”
    LOL!

  40. Tracey

    I’m surprised enough by Kate Carnell to think I must have had her mixed up with somebody else.

  41. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Twitter fool saying ‘no-one ever talks about a Capitalist Utopia’.
    Yes they do, you twit. You are benefiting from it right now, despite your efforts to destroy its reality.

  42. Top Ender

    Wayne, mate, I went and got one of my old textbooks from my uni days of studying psychology.

    “When we learn that there’s a disparity between that reality and the perceptions that other people have of us it is always enlightening, rarely flattering and, more often than not, insulting.”

    Find a mirror Wayne. Look into it. THERE’S the Labor Party problem. They’re idiots and they don’t know it.

  43. calli

    Fat head actor cuts off Kate. Misogyny!

  44. Motelier

    So the show heads to profit shifting.

    There is a solution to this.

  45. MsDolittle

    Actors are one legged capital

  46. Leo G

    Remind Wayne that even Keynes was strongly committed to maintaining the liberal capitalist order to preserve democracy.

  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Youth unemployment – no crisis says Pine into the general clamour of dismay.

  48. nilk, iron bogan

    Apparently four out of five young people don’t have jobs.

    Nobody mentions a)whether those young people are looking for jobs or b) if they are, what jobs are they prepared to actually take?

  49. Spider

    Teacher. I knew it. You can tell.

  50. calli

    Pyne slaps down dodgy questioner with the fact bat.

  51. Andrew

    Pyne is belting this lefty questioner very well.

  52. Tracey

    Oh, come on Nilk! They’re sensitive, educated people. They can’t do just anything.

  53. Rich

    I was told by Tony Jones that there would be questions on tax evasion

    There have been questions on legitimate tax dodges but no evasion – is the ABC guilty of

    A) False advertising
    B) Bias towards left wing positions
    C) Overpaying Tony Jones
    Or
    D) all of the above

  54. Tony M

    Pyne completely demolishes lefty question – no applause, you could hear a pin drop.

  55. nilk, iron bogan

    Absolutely, Spider.

    Pyne points out that it’s not the socio-economic status of the school, it’s the teacher that really counts. We’re pouring bucketloads of dosh into the schools, and we’re doing…. oops. SnowCone interrupts.

    LOL Chris points out that he was interrupted.

  56. Shelley

    More money does not equal teacher quality FFS.

  57. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Now public education question from a public sort of person. Female, talking ‘Gonski’, obviously runs a P and C somewhere and pretty sniffy obviously that Da Pardee didn’t win the election. The sort that keeps you away from the P and C.

    The downturn on that mouth would do any pre-schooler proud.

  58. Spider

    There you go Social disadvantage. Give everyone $50000. Problem solved.

  59. MsDolittle

    Go Kate, figures not right!

  60. Leo G

    Find a mirror Wayne”

    One of Wayne’s biggest problems is the way he views spending and revenue ” through the looking glass”.

  61. .

    Parents background and if they give a shit is all that matters, however a great techer can impact a kid for life, schools live or die on the performance of the Principal.

  62. Swanee – we can compare with asia.

    No you fucking can’t, asia has the whole work ethic and hard study market locked up you dumbass

  63. Spider

    5% of the population don’t understand it including Tingle.

  64. OzGrandPooba

    Sorry Blondie- I know what Gonski is abt and its lefty claptrap growing the ranks of education public servants. Shut up you silly lefty goose.

  65. Peter from SA

    I need another glass of wine.

    Best comment of the night, in my humble opinion ….

  66. Tracey

    Let’s not mention the elephant in the room. Those of us of a certain age were busting our gut to leave school so we could get a job. These days a large percentage of kids are busting their gut to leave school so they can head to Centrelink.

  67. Notafan

    Who is the smug patronising woman of a certain age with her 5% BS?

  68. Tony M

    ….and Laura bangs on and on and on again…and gets clapped. Maybe they were glad she stopped?

  69. calli

    How the education system works to produce jobs…huh?

  70. Insert Name

    That’s it, I’m smashing my TV.

    Which, according to Wayne, will boost my wealth considerably.

  71. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    La Tingle reading a thesis on ‘social disadvantage and education’.

    She’s wrong on much of what she said, says Pyne, and fights back.

  72. Anne

    Carpe, first, welcome home.

    Secondly, you should get a kick-back from the ABC for doubling the viewership of this awful program.

  73. Rich

    Parents background and if they give a shit is all that matters, however a great techer can impact a kid for life, schools live or die on the performance of the Principal.

    And that’s why teachers need 100k and principals need 200k plus – clearly we are underpaying them!

    And the audience just proved it’s full of teachers this week

  74. OzGrandPooba

    Blondie doesnt realise forward estimates are 4yr only fwd plans. Idiot.

  75. Spider

    Tingle. What happens after that. Labor unfunded after 4 years.

  76. MsDolittle

    Doc sees young people “at failure to launch” frequently and tells them and their accompanying parents carefully. It’s not a fun gig.

  77. Leo G

    What we really need is exponential growth in education rent-seeking.

  78. Tony M

    Education = more money. That’s obviously all there is to it.

  79. Rich

    That’s it, I’m smashing my TV.

    Which, according to Wayne, will boost my wealth considerably.

    You will then have a revenue problem

  80. Tony M

    What on earth is the actor on about???

  81. Northshore Redneck

    Why does Tony interrupt Pyne, but not this add-zero-value-actor who is wasting all our time?

  82. These days a large percentage of kids are busting their gut to leave school so they can head to Centrelink.

    Sadly you’re correct

  83. Andrew

    Questioner now making shit up and getting quite annoyed…lol

  84. Rich

    Oh wow that question was just…

  85. Tracey

    Lizzie, as a hair expert can you explain why these middle aged women with bobs are so bloody earnest and unhappy?

  86. calli

    She’s a teacher…of course she is. The condescension oozes…

  87. Notafan

    Funding programs in a quivery voice, what programs?

  88. Tony M

    There IS a crisis in public education – just not the one they are all talking about.

  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Oops, her again, says HIA. Why, why, why.

    He’s brought out the Port. Yep, one for me too please.

    Banging on about her ‘year twelve students’, and their HECs debts ruining their lives and opportunities.
    Carnell talk about the ‘generous loan schemes’. Sniffy just sniffs some more.

  90. MsDolittle

    Oh fuc,k, HECS debt is the cheapest debt you will ever get in you whole life, FMD

  91. nilk, iron bogan

    Oh, look, teacher whining more about money and how students change their electives because they don’t want to take on a HECS debt, or because they can’t afford the costs involved with their preferred electives.

    Nilk says: welcome to the real world. Go get a paper round and pay for it yourself if you really want it.

  92. Anne

    calli
    #1464118, posted on September 29, 2014 at 10:26 pm
    How the education system works to produce jobs…huh?

    Yes, because who else to teach ‘Gender Studies’ than someone who has a degree in ‘Gender Studies’…and on it goes.

    That’s production right there.

  93. calli

    Funding programs in a quivery voice, what programs?

    Programs that she believes in, natch.

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Sniffy sniffs some more and claps Goose.
    Pyne says Goose is talking ‘complete bumkum’.
    Call it the way it is, Christopher. We are cheering you on here.

  95. Tony M

    Come on Chris – facts don’t make any difference here.

  96. Leo G

    What on earth is the actor on about???

    The best place to increase education expenditure is on bipolar ex-cons with attitude.

  97. Rich

    Swanny just said HECS debt will scare off students – why? It’s awesome debt you don’t have to repay

    He also said a teacher won’t earn enough to pay off 40k at shit all interest – 7 year teachers earn 90k, bud

    Pyne is awesome

  98. Top Ender

    Actor bloke is muttering about Gough Whitlam.

    Doubtless has a T-shirt with him on it too.

  99. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Barry burbling on praising Whitlam. Whit’s in a nursing home now Barry, why not head there yourself?

  100. Andrew

    Pyne is killing it tonight

  101. calli

    That actor’s bean is a fist magnet. Those smug ears need boxing…now! *

    *nadt

  102. MsDolittle

    Oh gawd playing the Whitlam card miff.

  103. nilk, iron bogan

    What on earth is the actor on about???

    Amusingly enough, he made the point that currently the majority of teachers come straight from college, and yet they are responsible for providing the next generation with the tools needed to make their way in a corporate world.

    I don’t think he quite understood what he was saying, espec as Chris agreed with him and said that the Libs want to make it easier for people with real world experience to move into teaching.

  104. calli

    Oh noes! He’s a victim too!

  105. Notafan

    Pyne is right free education made no difference to participation in higher education by people from poorer families

  106. Pecker

    WTF… you lost your leg and we lost our compassion???

  107. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Dorothy Dixer to Barry about how bad Australians are on disability; seems we’ve lost compassion, says the Parson, and here we go, here comes the abacus again.

  108. nilk, iron bogan

    And he doesn’t like the abacus.

  109. Leo G

    Actor bloke is muttering about Gough Whitlam.

    Maintain the rave!

  110. Tony M

    Come on, actor – these are minimum wage slaves that you’re dissing.

  111. Notafan

    Bring back dip Ed for people with industry experience
    Excellent
    Actor talking shite

  112. Shelley

    What is the actorvist (thanks Nilk) on about for crying out loud? Being fondled in public? What the??

  113. Tracey

    The Actor revealing his vast superiority over other miserable Australians now.

  114. MsDolittle

    Disability is a mind set and awwh my gawd does this guy milk it. FMD

  115. calli

    Told youse he needed his ears boxing!

  116. Notafan

    TV about people with disabilities nice but what if noone watches?

  117. Mr Rusty

    Oh, the actor is legless, like most Cats by the end of Q&A.

  118. Top Ender

    Sounds like when he lost his leg he lost his ability to be polite as well.

  119. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Kate Carnell is a goodie, and I like her jacket.

  120. calli

    Or…boxed.

    And now it’s over…

  121. nilk, iron bogan

    Shelley he’s bleating because he was apparently singled out for extra checking at the airport. That’s my reading of it.

    And now we need a disabled quota in film and tv. Since we have quotas for damned near everything else (except white, straight, christian or jewish men and one of those is way too many), why not?

  122. Rich

    Mental health week next week

    …Wayne swan again?

  123. Tony M

    Maybe the ABC Fact Checker ought to give the questions on Q&A the once over?

  124. Mr Rusty

    Next Q&A is about mental health.
    No change there then.

  125. Pecker

    Mental Health next week…so Wayne is staying over for the next show

  126. Top Ender

    Broadcasting from Rocky next week.

    Be difficult to get an audience. They are all usually in bed asleep by 830pm.

    Bob Katter will be on – he is totally incomprehensible….

    That’s all folks!

  127. Andrew

    Katter to be asked about gays next week…oh great!

  128. Spider

    Bloody hell. Next week. Another actor. Gay. Bob Katter. Shit. Spare me.

  129. Tony M

    Katter’s just the man for the Mental Health edition…..

  130. nilk, iron bogan

    I’ve not been drinking these last few weeks. I can’t do Q&A without alcohol. There ought to be a law against it.

    Holy cow it’s just getting worse.

  131. Rich

    On a slightly more serious note, qanda will once again be diverging into a ‘special’ next week

    There are more specials than regular political discussions now

  132. Interruptions came in at 53

    no winner, good luck next week

  133. Spider

    Seriously if you only had Q&A as a guide you’d have to say that there are no conservative teachers, nurses or actors in Australia. None.

  134. Leo G

    Pyne is right free education made no difference to participation in higher education by people from poorer families

    No, he is wrong. Free University education discriminated against poorer families. Relatively few poorer families in the seventies could support university age children, even if they had scholarships. The brighter among that group relied on industry supported education, such as traineeships. That support largely disappeared with free tertiary education.

  135. Motelier

    Broadcasting from Rocky next week.

    Hmmmmmmm I wonder if I can get in on the audience,

  136. Mayan

    Why are you guys watching Q&A when you could be disemboweling yourselves?

  137. Motelier

    Crown for me thank Anne

  138. Talleyrand

    Tks Carpe. Make sure the chaps are being aired

  139. Shelley

    Speaking of that mental health week ABC are promoting – I heard a promotion for it on the radio, which differed to the promo on the TV in that the radio promotion ended with the voice over saying ‘…and dig deep’. So clearly some form of fundraising will form a major part of this special week.

    I am not dissing mental health per se, but I do find it amazing that there are soooo many people who self identify as having a mental health disability.

  140. Motelier

    Well I am off peeps.

    Breakfast service starts at 6.30 to the rooms.

    Sigh

  141. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Lizzie, as a hair expert can you explain why these middle aged women with bobs are so bloody earnest and unhappy?

    Their oestrogen is leaking out of their follicles. Cut their hair and it’s reverse Delilah.
    They need some HRT.

  142. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Uh oh. Da Hairy Ape is playing some madrigals. Tra la la la la la. Da Merry Springtime.

    I think I shall have to ration his Q and A.

  143. Percy

    48.5 for me carpe, in honour of the goose

    Interruptions came in at 53

    I demand Hockey takes another look at the budget, he must’ve missed something.

  144. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Think I missed one of the la’s there in that sequence: Tra la la la la la lah is the way it goes.

  145. Notafan

    thankyou Leo I did remember there was no increase in university participation, and that was the only thing that the lefty uni snobs cared about

  146. Rich

    Seriously if you only had Q&A as a guide you’d have to say that there are no conservative teachers, nurses or actors in Australia. None.

    My partner is a teacher, I regularly go to functions involving rooms full of teachers (and they often marry each other, so private sector people are few and far, and communicate with each other via furtive looks)

    They are easily 90% left – a few are old left – ie trade union but dislike the muslims

  147. Viva

    No questions on climate change – even though at the start Snowcone said it was a preferred topic.

    Kate Carnell is so dartingly birdlike!

  148. More money does not equal teacher quality FFS.

    Shelley, I promise to be of better quality if you pay me more. Or at least try. Or pretend. Just gimmee and quit yer bitchin’! 🙂

  149. delfino

    I’ve always admired you guys being able to watch and type comments at the same time. Like our first female Proime Minster famously said one time ‘I can walk gum and chew shoes at the same toime’.
    Noted the comments on the makeup of the audience. I remarked here last year about the 40% libs, 30%labor etc. It’s still going on. They must think we are dimmies and just stick the same percentages up every time. Bet it will be the same next week.
    Then I notice the comment Laura married to Ramsey, you mean old Alan Ramsey?? Well she would need big man hands to swat at him. Or is he to old to go the biff?? I lived in Canberra for many years, met a woman who was in a relationship with him. Questionable taste.
    As for the education business, thought noone wanted to be school teachers.
    Oh and why am I not surprised, Actor/activist, dressed in his best aboriginal flag tshirt, with whatever hanging around his neck. Wonder if he visits Whitlam often.
    Cheers guys. Love your comments. Can’t wait for the mental issues next week. Bob Katter, well that will be worth waiting for. Will he talke about dementia?

  150. JC

    God I despise Shane Wand. He just brings out the worst thoughts in me.

  151. hzhousewife

    No, he is wrong. Free University education discriminated against poorer families. Relatively few poorer families in the seventies could support university age children, even if they had scholarships. The brighter among that group relied on industry supported education, such as traineeships. That support largely disappeared with free tertiary education.

    In my case I could not go to university because of the living costs in the city, there were three siblings still at home on the farm , and two of them were boys ( this was late 60’s after all).

    Currently the same living cost pressures apply. Country students have to fund their food and rent and transport to go to even a local country University, it is a significant extra cost to many. And there are few student jobs. City kids stay at home with parents and get subsidised transport to campus, and are much more likely to be able to waitress or barista on the side.

  152. MsDolittle

    Complete Mapp and Lucia will do me tonight, thanks Tinta And PM.

  153. Tom

    Turns out Q&A is a perfect accompaniment for watching the golf with the Cat turned on.

  154. OldOzzie

    hzhousewife
    #1464269, posted on September 30, 2014 at 12:07 am
    No, he is wrong. Free University education discriminated against poorer families. Relatively few poorer families in the seventies could support university age children, even if they had scholarships. The brighter among that group relied on industry supported education, such as traineeships. That support largely disappeared with free tertiary education.

    In my case I could not go to university because of the living costs in the city, there were three siblings still at home on the farm , and two of them were boys ( this was late 60?s after all).

    In 50s. 60s, Commonwealth Scholarship, besides paying Uni Fess, and from memory Uni Book allowance, also paid a Living Away From Home Allowance, which you could use to go to Sydney Uni College, even though I lived in Sydney.

  155. Diogenes

    They are easily 90% left – a few are old left – ie trade union but dislike the muslims

    Worse than that – at my school (80+ teachers), there is 1 libertarian, 1 LDP (supposedly an ex political staffer) , and three slightly “right” of center.

    Amusingly enough, he made the point that currently the majority of teachers come straight from college, and yet they are responsible for providing the next generation with the tools needed to make their way in a corporate world.

    Almost a 1-1 correlation with the 1+1+3 figures quoted 🙂

    These days a large percentage of kids are busting their gut to leave school so they can head to Centrelink.

    So true – much of year 11 have a “days left until I can escape this s****le” calendar and one of my enterprising year 9s actually created an app for them.

    Pyne is plain wrong about SES – a collegue moved 4 schools south into a higher SES area – consequently he spends 90% teaching & 10% in classroom management rather than the 50%/50% at work. In consequence “his” HSC results improved in the year after the move (same program & resources) – from 0* band 6, 1 *band 5 , 3 *band 4, and 10* band 1&2 (6 the highest) he went to 5 *band 6, 4 *band 5, 3 *band 4 and no band 1 or 2 or 3.

    Gonski was all assed backwards – it was asked to look at how much money the best performing schools got vs the worst & said lets fund the worst so they get the same as the best – instead of looking at – what are the best schools doing that the worst aren’t , and then come up with a way to fund the training, resources etc need for the worst to do what the best did.

    Having come from private enterprise and having managed project teams that had larger budgets than the school’s, though with half the staff, I am still, after 3 years, suffering culture shock at how inefficiently schools are run & how much time is wasted reinventing the wheel and admin (despite my whole senior course being online, the attendance system being online, the students ticking off that they have completed work, I am still expected to maintain a paper folder withe copies of the syllabus, support documentation, scope & sequence (ie a project plan for how I intend to teach the course) and virtually everything that I have on my LMS & printed copies of rolls and attendance etc etc – I could easily back the whole up onto a usb stick (or SD card) & retain that for 7 years – but noooo it all has to be paper.

  156. cohenite

    My partner is a teacher, I regularly go to functions involving rooms full of teachers (and they often marry each other, so private sector people are few and far, and communicate with each other via furtive looks)

    Mine too; maybe we’re related.

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