Politics post-Qld

These are the results I did today on a quiz designed to determine which side I am on so far as politics in the United States are concerned. My results were not that much of a surprise to me, although perhaps more extreme than I would have expected. Anyway, here they are:

Republicans                  98%
Conservatives               96%
Constitution Party        91%
Libertarian                      69%
Democrats                        5%
Socialists                          1%
Green Party                      1%

Feel free to try it yourself at I Side With . . . . But I mention it only as a preamble to my thoughts post-Queensland.

Tony Abbott is the rawest rookie ever to lead a major political party in Australia. There is something so off about his approach to the use of power to achieve political ends that it is positively maddening. Did he really enter politics so that he could choose the winner of Australian Literary Awards and bring knighthoods back. Prince Phillip is a disaster of such stupidity that I am astounded that it had even crossed his mind, never mind that he actually decided to surprise everyone, including his own party. He undoubtedly made the fatal difference in Queensland which endlessly depresses me. It is very possible that this was the fatal mistake and he will end up being assassinated in the rotunda, or however these things are now done amongst the Libs in Canberra. Yet what truly irritates me is that there is no one else I would prefer so far as policy goes. He may no longer be capable of winning the coming election, and if so he will therefore have to go. But no one amongst the leadership group represents the policy matrix I prefer.

I think the junking of his Paid Maternity Leave scheme means either he has seen the light, or more likely, he has had a midnight visit with baseball bats to encourage him “to consult” more closely with the rest. Rudd could never be brought round, but Tony might just make the adjustment, and he has a year or so to get there (or perhaps about three months). The thing about Rudd, however, was that while his colleagues hated him, the country found him quirky but OK. With Abbott, it’s something like the reverse.

The nature of this country is at a crossroads. A Shorten-Plibersek Government would add to the bile, and with the 47% now a universal and climbing, this could be the last Coalition Government for a very long time. And as it happens, today I was down on Acland Street and who should be sitting at the cafe next door but Bill Shorten himself along with his family. What was also quite striking, and why this is still the country it is, was that no one invaded his privacy by coming up to speak to him, nor did there seem to be any security presence anywhere around. And then, half an hour later, I came across him again, at the bookshop looking through a book. My wife thinks it was just a cynical meet-the-people exhibition. I just think he was out to have a quiet Sunday afternoon in just the same way I was having myself.

There is so much going for this country, I just don’t want to see it ruined.

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112 Responses to Politics post-Qld

  1. Davo of Thorneside

    Newman would have just stumbled over the line had the Feds not been so damn stupid on the election eve with the Prince P issue. Tony really has to go, he has jumped the shark, and there is no way back for him…I hope they pick someone that has some street smarts to fight fire with fire. Oh, and I hope for Turnbull to retire when they over look him for the new Captain and Vice.

  2. Blogstrop

    Which wife and family was that?

  3. john constantine

    Everthing must be okay on the family front, if he wanted to get rid of her, he would have taken her to the footy.

  4. Lem

    Look Steve, you are just going through the grieving stages. I did that about 12 months ago, after the initial euphoria of trouncing the socialists happened, and the clues to future Abbott real led lack of action became apparent. Go easy on yourself. You were lied to.

    So, what to do? I’ll tell you what I’m doing. I’m inserting a sky rocket up every useless LNP rear I can to make them take action and restart the agenda. That means Abbott must go, and any of his enablers in this piss weak fiasco that has become government.

    Turnbull can piss off IMO, he is more interested in going to the Oscars. Hockey should be liberated to the smoking lounge permanently. Brandis is a total liar who is denial, he thus, as an addict, will continue to lie and must be dispensed with. Bishop has done well and worked hard, she can stay. Morrison is a legend who has secured the borders and stopped thousands more people from drowning at sea, as well stopping the haemorrhaging of billions of dollars of taxpayers money, better spent on other things (or not expropriated in the first place…hey there’s an idea that’s a vote buyer! ). Andrew Robb has worked patiently on FTA’s etc. FFS there must be others doing their jobs who can make up a senior cabinet.

    It’s easy Steve, you have three choices. You lie down and let the Socialists cart your worn out body into the ditch at the side of the road just before you take your last breath, or…

    you get up and fight before they arrive. That means the socialist sympathisers in the ranks must be named and shamed. I start with Abbott, and I add Hockey AND Turnbull. Brandis being anti free speech goes without saying.

    Bishop can stay as FM.

    Morrison is the man for the job. He has guts and smarts and presentation. He is the last hope of the Libs.

    Or if you don’t like dying a miserable and impoverished death, or fighting, you could buy up big on gold, move somewhere else and hunker down for the next ten years. Your choice.

  5. jupes

    I think the junking of his Paid Maternity Leave scheme means either he has seen the light, or more likely, he has had a midnight visit with baseball bats to encourage him “to consult” more closely with the rest.

    I don’t think it is a coincidence that Sir Scott Morrison is now the minister in charge of welfare.

  6. Myrddin Seren

    Steve

    I share your pain, the more so as a former Liberal Party member who joined up to try and support good policy and good people, and now pretty much feels that the careerists are disgusted by conservatives and small-l liberals who formed the base ( pace – JC’s post-election conversation with Andrew Robb re the ABC ).

    But no one amongst the leadership group represents the policy matrix I prefer.

    I am now calling them The Greens-lite. We are in trouble – the green orcs and trolls are inside the gates.

    The thing about Rudd, however, was that while his colleagues hated him, the country found him quirky but OK. With Abbott, it’s something like the reverse.

    Well, yup, something. His colleagues and the country either hate him, that is rusted on Left, or just have contempt, the betrayed Base.

    The nature of this country is at a crossroads.

    No. The crossroads was at the 2013 Federal election. In spite of that vote, we are merrily marching forward to join the esteemed ranks of Greece, Argentina and the UK. It is too late.

    ….with the 47% now a universal and climbing, this could be the last Coalition Government for a very long time.

    Yup – based on the Victorian and Queensland results, we have crossed the Romney Threshold, whereby the moochers will continuously outvote the productive until they have drained everything they can. How well did Hollande’s 75% top tax rate go in plucking the rich ?

    ….and who should be sitting at the cafe next door but Bill Shorten himself along with his family

    Which one ?

    There is so much going for this country, I just don’t want to see it ruined.

    Apres Les Liberals-in-Name-Only, le deluge.

  7. jupes

    I agree with most of your post Lem.

    Sir Scott to lead, Bishop to stay as FM, Robb or Cormann as treasurer. Bernardi as Minister for Immigration. The rest is up for grabs.

  8. Rossini

    We as a country are stuffed……as long as there is hope that someone else will pick up the tab!

  9. Vicki

    Steve is so right about how lucky we are regarding the ease with which our political leaders move around in our communities.

    The PM not infrequently joins a running group on weekends (taking coffee at the local cafe) in his (and my) constituency. The minders are very discreet, and he has even been known to drive there in his own car.

    The Treasurer less frequently also shows up for a game of “touch” at the local oval & joins mates for coffee. While a few people throw a bit of banter, most people let both men just enjoy their down time.

  10. Vicki

    Incidentally, this is Abbott’s own electorate, and I can tell you he is very much “on the nose” around the traps.

  11. Craig Mc

    What was also quite striking, and why this is still the country it is, was that no one invaded his privacy by coming up to speak to him, nor did there seem to be any security presence anywhere around.

    I wonder if Abbott would get the same treatment. No, actually, I don’t wonder.

  12. Ross B

    Greece last week, and now Queensland…

    Whatever you think you know of the Prince Philip saga – and nobody really has a clue about his years of service and his courage as a junior officer in the Med – the reality is that the Left won these elections on a simple vote-for-the-easy-path platform. In Queensland, the madness of Prince Campbell and King Tony put the icing on the ALP’s victory cake – sure – but in the end the electorate voted against taking its due fiscal medicine – as it had in the more dramatic case of Greece the week prior.

    The challenge for the LNP – and conservatives in general – is to start articulating far more clearly the nature of the destructive end-game of compound fiscal profligacy. In this it’s actually the office of the Treasurer who can win the game – not the usual spinmeisters who’ve failed so miserably because they can’t sell hard medicine. It’s not Bishop and it can’t be Turnbull, who have no better thoughts of reigning in G than did Swan or Gillard. But can Big Joe sell anything these days? I totally doubt it.

    Here’s a few tips for the Libs;
    1. STOP using the done-to-death-a-gazillion-times-over expression “debt & deficit” – it’s annoying everyone.
    2. Use a new term (how about) SHORTFALL – to get the public’s mind back on the subject.
    3. Stop being lazy in not explaining that whenever the government has a SHORTFALL it adds to the existing stock of government debt.
    4. Start getting hard – truly hard about how much debt and interest is being piled onto existing debt.

    Just as Joe’s been told before – this is Labor’s debt – Labor’s deficits – but they are fast becoming owned by the LNP because nobody has had the stomach to take the subject down to the wire.

  13. Entropy

    Cormann is no good as treasurer either. As finance minister he pushed the deficit levy and created the fairness meme for the budget, gleefully taken up by Shorten.

  14. Vicki

    Morrison is the man for the job. He has guts and smarts and presentation. He is the last hope of the Libs.

    You won’t get many to dispute that. The problem is, I’m told, is that he currently lacks sufficient factional base to land the top job.

    My guess is that Bishop will prevail (god, she’s working hard enough to impress in the last 24 hours!), with Turnbull at her side as No2. – possibly as Treasurer.

    Both of them know they have to include Morrison in the troika. I suspect he will stay in the position Abbott gave him. That will be the headest gig going. I sure hope God is on his side – he’ll need supernatural support in a country that will sullenly cling to entitlements., as they have shown in the Qld elections.

  15. Tom

    Free Stuff™ brings down 200 years of democracy and 800 years of the Magna Carta and Common Law when the proletariat twigs that it can vote itself other people’s money. De Toqueville was right. Civil war is next.

  16. whyisitso

    Hi all you Shorten supporters (most commenters on this blog):

    I just love this from Leak.

  17. Tom

    Fix the frigging spaminator, Doomlord. It is now censoring free speech.

  18. Alfonso

    That’s the shocking State of the US Nation…..
    When a “98% Republican”….. ie, 98% crony corporate statist, ‘socialism for the masses’, Agenda 21, country clubber considers himself “more extreme than I would have expected.” ….. you’re in la-la land, son. You consider RINOs extreme?

  19. Tom

    And so 200 years of democracy and 800 years of common law via the Magna Carta ends when the proletariat twigs it can vote itself other people’s money, paid for with a credit card for which their children will be responsible. De Toqueville was right.

  20. I Am the Walras, Equilibrate, and Price Take

    Churchill:

    The loyalties which centre upon number one are enormous. If he trips, he must be sustained. If he makes mistakes, they must be covered. If he sleeps, he must not be wantonly disturbed. If he is no good, he must be pole-axed.

    What Abbott’s recent blunders reveal is that his judgement is no good, and for a Prime Minister, judgement is everything. What has aggravated an already alarming situation is that, to go by Miranda Devine’s article today, his chief advisor is a control freak who has shut out anyone who might be able to talk sense into him.

    I’m utterly dismayed. I had such high hopes in him, not to do everything I wanted – he clearly has always been a big government Tory – but to bring a sensible, measured and adult approach to government. He has proven himself incapable.

    What’s even more alarming is that no one on the treasury benches looks anywhere near being up to the job.

    We are entering a time of immense economic uncertainty and disruption. The arse has fallen out of the Chinese economy and left it exposed to the most humungous bubble of asset prices and bad debts the world has ever known, Japan and Europe are sinking under the weight of debts they will never be able to repay and are coming apart at the seams, and the once-mighty U.S. is now a ‘free stuff’ welfare state only a couple of decades behind Europe and Japan. The level of household debt in Australia is alarming and still growing, just as our productivity sinks and the anti-growth Trades Unionists are once again rampant. We’re exposed to the elements and our ship is rudderless and riding low in the water.

    The next few years are going to be interesting in ways that I don’t wish to see.

    I think they’ll give Abbott till Easter to demonstrate that he recognises the situation and can act appropriately. After that, or in the case of yet another brain fart … keep clear of the swinging pole-axe.

    (Lem – agreed. Myrddin – me too, I didn’t renew my membership this year).

  21. Entropy

    Something apropos I posted on an earlier thread

    “What are he signs of a sick culture?…..
    “I’ve been reading Gibbon and studying the French Revolution. Also Smith’s From the Yalu to the Precipice.”
    “A very doctrinaire treatment. Read also Penn’s The Last Days of the Sweet Land of Liberty.”
    “Yes, sir. I did start making tallies. It is a bad sign when the people of a country stop identifying themselves with the country and start identifying with a group. A racial group. Or a religion. Or a language. Anything, as long as it isn’t the whole population.”
    “A very bad sign. Particularism. It was once considered a Spanish vice but any country can fall sick with it.”
    “I don’t really know Spain. Dominance of males over females seems to be one of the symptoms. I suppose the reverse would be true but I haven’t run across it in any of the history I’ve listened. Why not, Boss?”
    “You tell me. Continue.”
    “So far as I have listened, before a revolution can take place, the population must lose faith in both the police and the courts.”
    “Elementary. Go on.”
    “Well … high taxation is important and so is inflation of the currency and the ratio of the productive to those on the public payroll. But that’s old hat; everybody knows that a country is on the skids when its income and outgo get out of balance and stay that way even though there are always endless attempts to wish it away by legislation. But I started looking for little signs, what some call silly-season symptoms…..”
    Excerpt From: Friday (1982). “Robert A. Heinlein.” iBooks.
    This material may be protected by copyright.

  22. Snoopy

    The thing about Rudd, however, was that while his colleagues hated him, the country found him quirky but OK. With Abbott, it’s something like the reverse.

    That’s because the MSM covered for Rudd.

  23. larrikin

    Steve, you are correct – this country has so much going for it. Too bad the socialists/progs are determined to destroy all its hard won advantages. And Shorten will do it for them and fuck this country over without a
    moments hesitation. That’s why Abbots indulgences are so unforgivable. We are fighting to save our country and he’s playing nice with our executioners

  24. Snoopy

    There is so much going for this country, I just don’t want to see it ruined.

    There’s only one step down from here, baby
    It’s called the land of permanent bliss

    Bob Dylan

  25. Anita

    I will not be petulant and cancel my membership (they still need money to fight the next fight). The Libs may come good under Julie Bishop or Scott Morrison as PM and Turnbull as treasurer. Turnbull is no good as PM as he will suck up to the Lefties but I believe he will make a good treasurer. He has communication skills unlike Joe who also stuffs up like Tony.
    I had great hopes for Tony since he was Minister for Workplace Relations. I was elated when he became PM. He pricked my balloon last week with his weird knighthood. He was booed last year when he introduced the knights and dames. He said he will consult after that event. Now he has stuffed up big time not only for the Feds but for Qld. I have not turned on the TV to watch the news today because all the Leftie media will be in celebration.
    I feel the country will go to the dogs if the treasury falls into Shorten’s hands.

  26. Alfonso

    “He pricked my balloon last week with his weird knighthood. He was booed last year when he introduced the knights and dames.”
    Bwaaa….trivial.
    S18c was your dead giveaway, sweets.

  27. I Am the Walras, Equilibrate, and Price Take

    S18c was your dead giveaway, sweets.

    The ‘deficit levy’ tax increases were the first bite of reality for me.

    The backdown on 18c was when reality hit home.

    You could see it all unravelling before your eyes.

  28. Dr Faustus

    There is so much going for this country, I just don’t want to see it ruined.

    It’s interesting that you note the general politeness/reserve with which most Australians treat political figures in their ‘down time’. I have seen the same – most recently with Rudd and his long-suffering family at a small cafe at Sunshine Beach.

    It’s significant that they get to enjoy that politeness/reserve without compulsion by legislation (or bodyguards). I wonder how the statists among them reconcile that as they try to design a better life for us.

  29. Lem

    . STOP using the done-to-death-a-gazillion-times-over expression “debt & deficit” – it’s annoying everyone.
    2. Use a new term (how about) SHORTFALL – to get the public’s mind back on the subject.

    You are absolutely right, because very fool in this country lives there lives according to “debt and deficit” and so, hey, can’t be that bad!

    Forget “shortfall”. Too bland. Better tell it like it is.

    Every time some lazy freakin’ rent seeker has their hand out, or some crazy thought bubble vote buying exercise is floated by the opposition, they should just say:

    Yes that all sounds great, but how are your kids going to pay for that?

    That right there, is the slogan that should be upfront of every Coalition meeting/ website/ whatever.

    Because that is the question that the socialists and rent seekers of today have to answer every time they start throwing money around.

  30. EB

    “this could be the last Coalition Government for a very long time.”

    As soon as I hear predictions of electoral wilderness for long periods, I know I’m listening to a fool.

    Last night will become more and more common. Massive swings and governments flying out after one term. Government is no longer there to be won, it is there to be lost. The quality has vanished and the public sees it. Both sides are full to the brim with nutters and buffoons. People who have never done fuck all in life, but have plenty of opinions about how others should live their lives.

    Until you have a cleansing fire to eradicate the maniacs – start with anyone involved in student politics and then work your way through the various nutcase groups – forget it.

    Massive instability is the future.

  31. Infidel Tiger

    There is so much going for this country, I just don’t want to see it ruined.

    Remind me again what those things are?

  32. TC

    How are your kids going to pay for it? They don’t care.

  33. Fisky

    Last night will become more and more common. Massive swings and governments flying out after one term. Government is no longer there to be won, it is there to be lost. The quality has vanished and the public sees it. Both sides are full to the brim with nutters and buffoons. People who have never done fuck all in life, but have plenty of opinions about how others should live their lives.

    I don’t think so. More likely it will be 2-3 terms of Leftist government followed by 1 term of LNP.

    The people love their Free Stuff and are determined to keep it.

  34. Memoryvault

    Last night will become more and more common. Massive swings and governments flying out after one term.

    All too true, EB. Like it or lump it, for better or worse, for at least the next decade – probably longer – Australia is going to be governed from the Senate.

  35. Leigh Lowe

    Massive instability is the future.

    Would that be a bad thing?
    We might see Pollies getting stuck into it from day one, knowing that they have three-four years to make their mark by which time they could be gone.
    It would be no bad thing if the “paradigm” of always getting a second term went down the drain.

  36. Lem

    How are your kids going to pay for it? They don’t care.

    Maybe not. Personally I think there are a lot of people who care. As for the others?

    Their kids will.

    In addition, the federal Liberal party should actually start educating people about the atrocious state of long term socialist governments, because they are windows to the future of Australia.

    If they want, I could write some bloody good ads for them, with some shocking images. Including people without jobs who can’t even get a decent latte.

  37. Leigh Lowe

    Here’s a few tips for the Libs;
    1. STOP using the done-to-death-a-gazillion-times-over expression “debt & deficit” – it’s annoying everyone.
    2. Use a new term (how about) SHORTFALL – to get the public’s mind back on the subject.
    3. Stop being lazy in not explaining that whenever the government has a SHORTFALL it adds to the existing stock of government debt.
    4. Start getting hard – truly hard about how much debt and interest is being piled onto existing debt.

    Use simple household analogies with fairly realistic scaled down numbers.
    Talk about in terms of “being behind on your payments” or “maxing out the credit cards” or “being in hock up to our eyeballs”.

  38. Lem

    Use simple household analogies with fairly realistic scaled down numbers.
    Talk about in terms of “being behind on your payments” or “maxing out the credit cards” or “being in hock up to our eyeballs”.

    Even better. Show some ads that show your company closing down, the debt collector coming to your door, or your house being repossessed.

    Time to get personal with the ugly truth.

  39. Snoopy

    It’s Jiu Jitsu.

    Don’t mention the deficit. Don’t cut spending. Just slash taxes, again and again. Make the fuckers blink first.

  40. Lem

    Here’s a cute idea.

    How about an ad that shows a little pre-literate kid getting a letter from the ALP telling them what there debt is.

    “what’s it say daddy?”
    “It’s a gift from the government sweetie, but the bad news is it’s going to be even bigger by the time you get to vote”

  41. Louis Hissink

    I scored 98% Libertarian, followed by Republican.

  42. Snoopy

    Don’t mention the deficit. Don’t cut spending. Just slash taxes, again and again. And mumble something about growth. Make the fuckers blink first.

  43. stackja

    There is so much going for this country, I just don’t want to see it ruined.

    Voters seemed determined to ruin this country. Why? I can only assume gullibility fed by a MSM.
    There seem to be a lot of dreamers wishing for a different political party to be elected into power.
    Keep dreaming. In Australia there is a choice. LNP or ALP.

  44. Ubique

    No one gave a rat’s arse when Bob Hawke awarded Prince Philip our top gong of AC. The knighthood is a non-issue used as a club to bash Tony Abbott.

  45. Ubique

    Scored 98 percent conservative; 97 percent republican and 73 percent libertarian. As an environmental consultant I’m proud to report a Green score of 0 percent.

  46. mizaris

    people without jobs who can’t even get a decent latte

    Not one person in that line looks like they have EVER missed a feed in their lives. Starving…..pish tosh!!! Just there for a freebie as usual.

  47. Memoryvault

    Keep dreaming. In Australia there is a choice. LNP or ALP.

    Then we’re fucked.

    Choice 1 –
    Vote ALP – go broke as a nation, but have a bit of money in your pocket on the way down.
    Choice 2 –
    Vote LNP – go broke slightly more slowly, but be taxed into poverty for the journey.

  48. Dr Faustus

    EB @ #1588191,

    100% correct.

    Politics has become a career for a group of people with no real skills, ideology, or ability. Being part of the elite is all that counts. They are richly rewarded from the public teat for their pitiful contributions to our economic and social welfare – and without any possible doubt, not even a polite fig leaf, our best interests are secondary to theirs.

    Until that changes we are following a lowest common denominator race to an uncomfortable economic position that will be out of our control. And 95% of Australia is clapping from the sidelines as though it is the State of Origin.

  49. Leo G

    Choice 1 – Vote ALP – go broke as a nation, but have a bit of money in your pocket on the way down.
    Choice 2 – Vote LNP – go broke slightly more slowly, but be taxed into poverty for the journey.

    You can’t be sure Choice 2 is a slower route to ruin. The choice is really just one of whose pockets are the last to be emptied.

  50. Lem

    Not one person in that line looks like they have EVER missed a feed in their lives. Starving…..pish tosh!!! Just there for a freebie as usual.

    Of course not, it’s a socialist state and they’ve been feeding off the fat their kids will never have.

    Troll.

  51. Memoryvault

    You can’t be sure Choice 2 is a slower route to ruin. The choice is really just one of whose pockets are the last to be emptied.

    True Leo. I was trying to denote a miniscule difference between the parties, when in truth there probably isn’t any.

  52. Amused

    Here’s a cute idea.

    How about an ad that shows a little pre-literate kid getting a letter from the ALP telling them what there debt is.

    “what’s it say daddy?”
    “It’s a gift from the government sweetie, but the bad news is it’s going to be even bigger by the time you get to vote”

    If the LNP won’t do it, the IPA need to run this advert daily in every state for the next 18 months.

  53. Lem

    The earthquake begins.

    Meanwhile, Abbott seems to think he was elected in a presidential election.

    Mr Abbott on Sunday reminded voters he had been elected Prime Minister and said leadership was not a popularity contest.

    The people of Australia elected me as Prime Minister … but in the end government is not a popularity contest it’s a competence contest,” he said.”

    What next? President for life?

    FFS someone in the Liberal party take this man away! Soon he’ll knight himself.

  54. Memoryvault

    If the LNP won’t do it, the IPA need to run this advert daily in every state for the next 18 months.

    Can we move into the 21st century folks?
    Daily adverts across Australia for 18 months would cost millions.
    AND be far less effective than a simple meme card continually circulated on Spacechook and Twatter, at a very small fraction of the cost of paid advertising.

  55. ToryHunter

    What do we got. We got the tories, asses kicked. We got the wing nuts blaming everything from the media to votes for women. We got a Pete Seeger song! Hah! I will tell you why, because you are losers and none of you have the soul to write a song that is good for anything that does´t advertise beer. Please don not let me interrupt you while you snipe at each other, fall to bits and stab your leader in the back. You cannot be on a side you blokes, you don not have a bloody side. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbddqXib814

  56. Lem

    Memoryvault we are in the 21st century and ads do include, nay, are only done on Facebook and social media.
    That’s what I mean by ads.

  57. 3d1k

    The unique aspect of Australian public life was very well put. Of course, it was Shorten, in Melbourne. I do hope reception would have been similar for Abbott?

    Those rooting for Morrison need to keep in mind the yoke of Border Proctection he carries, certainly within a chunk of the partisan media. They will crucify as badly as they did Abbott. That is, Morrison will not get a chance.

    Agreed with dropping the simplistic three word slogans. But even today Abbott persisted…

    Time.

    Ps. Did the quiz, Libertarian Green. Wtf???

  58. Memoryvault

    Memoryvault we are in the 21st century and ads do include, nay, are only done on Facebook and social media.

    Lem, I wasn’t commenting on, or denigrating, or even referring to your original post.
    I was referring to the contribution by “Amused” to your comment, at 11.30pm above.

  59. Amused

    Memoryvault we are in the 21st century and ads do include, nay, are only done on Facebook and social media.

    Lem, I wasn’t commenting on, or denigrating, or even referring to your original post.
    I was referring to the contribution by “Amused” to your comment, at 11.30pm above.

    It needs to be everywhere. At least some airplay on radio and television is necessary. Not everyone participates in the vacuous fuckwittery that is Facebook and Twitter.

    Nevertheless, social media needs to be embraced and used relentlessly. There needs to be an infographic to counter each and every one of the ALP lies.

  60. Amused

    Economic principles like the government crowding out private investment need to be demonstrated in an infographic so whenever some ALP support whines about not having NBN they are educated and reminded that 6 years of ensuring that private investors do nothing in an area like technology what the end result is.

  61. Lem

    Economic principles like the government crowding out private investment need to be demonstrated in an infographic

    Anyone with half a brain and Final Cut Pro could put together very punchy videos using real footage pulled from the internet of what is actually going on in Europe right now to show what the final effects of failed socialist policies are, it is not that hard. But our side of politics has no stomach for this, or is baulking at the cost of paying too much to fancy outfits. Or it is not accessing the supporters it has with these skills.

    But every time an MP is questioned about some hare brained policy that we cannot afford, it is very cheap for them to just say..”Yes, well Mr shorten’s idea sounds great, but since we have no money to afford this and would have to borrow it, I would ask him how are your kids going to pay for it?

    And that kind of thing is free on TV.

  62. Amused

    ”Yes, well Mr shorten’s idea sounds great, but since we have no money to afford this and would have to borrow it, I would ask him how are your kids going to pay for it?”

    And that kind of thing is free on TV.

    Would probably work here if the media didn’t edit it out every single time.

    They’re never going to let that go to air. NEVER.

  63. Lem

    They’re never going to let that go to air. NEVER.

    And that kind of attitude is what keeps those who profess to be anti-totalitarian hiding in their home offices.
    And if that’s the Liberal Party’s attitude, then it is all over.

  64. Yobbo

    85% Libertarian, 63% Republican

    Answering “Canada” for the Health care question (similar to our Medicare) probably lost me like 30%.

  65. incoherent rambler

    There is so much going for this country, I just don’t want to see it ruined.

    I think you are a little bit late.

  66. Amused

    And that kind of attitude is what keeps those who profess to be anti-totalitarian hiding in their home offices.
    And if that’s the Liberal Party’s attitude, then it is all over.

    They can say it until they’re blue in the face. It’s never going to be aired – the public will never hear it.

    It’s not an attitude, it’s a fact.

    I’d love for it to be aired, but it just is never going to happen.

  67. A Lurker

    Massive instability is the future.

    Yes. I agree – we’re in for a period of one term Governments; although after saying that, Labor, when they get in, will likely sneak in an extra term because their faults and f-up’s will be excused by their mates in the MSM.

  68. Tel

    Anyone with half a brain and Final Cut Pro could put together very punchy videos using real footage pulled from the internet of what is actually going on in Europe right now to show what the final effects of failed socialist policies are, it is not that hard.

    Didn’t you hear? Those problems are because of the undefinable “austerity” … sadly the socialists are one step ahead of you in the blame game.

  69. Stephen of Glasshouse

    Gawd..Abbott has just reached Gillard status in that we don’t want to hear him on TV etc.

  70. dianeh

    I also agree that we are in for a period of one term Governments. The future ALP govt’s will not be starting with a lot in the bank, simply because the LNP hasn’t done the hard yards to fix the problems from the last time ALP was in power.

    This means that ALP will not have the money to splash around like previous times. Bit hard to give out free stuff when you are broke. The good will they garner from the free stuff will be a lot less, and their incompetence will not be tolerated so long. IMO the ALP has to keep increasing the free stuff, they cant just keep the free stuff at the same level, it doesn’t keep the voter base.

    As for the children paying for the excesses of today. The dynasty building and inter twined links in the left of politics makes me believe that the ‘elites’ don’t think their children will pay. They think our children will pay it for them, just as we currently do for their parents.

  71. Spider

    amused – Nevertheless, social media needs to be embraced and used relentlessly. There needs to be an infographic to counter each and every one of the ALP lies.

    +1

    I swear the ALP Greens have armies of trolls in the basement ready and waiting to produce infographics at a moments notice. Combine that with a couple of thousand hate sites e.g. Tony Abbott is a lying Barstool and faux Facebook pages I’mTonyAbbottandIWoulntVoteForMe and you have a very effective tool.

    It’s like fighting Al Qaeda.

    I was going to say that, of course, this stuff doesn’t work on us but it does!!!!

    Witness our reaction to very bit of fluff and outrage which jumps to MSM.

  72. Spider

    Just saw Scott Morrison on ABC 24. Sorry he is everything Abbott is not when being interviewed.

    On message. Assured. Succinct. Calm. Measured. Gave it back as good as he got.

  73. Token

    Did he really enter politics so that he could choose the winner of Australian Literary Awards and bring knighthoods back. Prince Phillip is a disaster of such stupidity that I am astounded that it had even crossed his mind, never mind that he actually decided to surprise everyone, including his own party

    Abbott surrendered on 18C, surrendered in the face of real reform at the ABC (due to his unnecessary pre-election gaffe) whereas held his ground on the 2 items noted above & play the “misogyny” card against people in his own party.

    He has no political compass. We are lucky his only choice for leadership was to stand against the glowball warming malarky as he has shown he would never have acted about the gouging crony capitalism on principle.

  74. Token

    On message. Assured. Succinct. Calm. Measured. Gave it back as good as he got.

    You can bet the surrender monkeys in the Lib caucus like 1-term no-hoper Laundy will ensure he never becomes leader due to the characteristics you mention above.

  75. Don’t mention the deficit. Don’t cut spending. Just slash taxes, again and again. Make the fuckers blink first.

    A good start, Snoopy. But any recovery will have all the stamina of a 90 year old with emphysema until we unshackle him from the red and green tape. He needs to be able to breathe.

  76. Token

    What do we got. We got the tories, asses kicked.

    Why do the lefties hate that woman Tory so much? Why so many statements about how they would inflict violence upon her?

    She is a dreadful media commentator (no one would pretend she is a journalist) but really why do you threaten violence?

  77. Leo G

    He undoubtedly made the fatal difference in Queensland which endlessly depresses me.

    If there was a marginal effect on the Queensland election from the award of an additional OA to the Duke of Edinburgh, then surely it would only be on account of a small minority of voters who would otherwise vote LNP and who believed that, by contributing to the defeat of the Queensland government, they were contributing to the destabilisation of Tony Abbott as PM.
    Quite possibly such people would have been influenced by dog whistling urging from ABC broadcasters that the Queensland election was to be a referendum on the leadership of Tony Abbott. If so, then the knighthood was not really the “fatal difference” factor, but rather factors like the political bias of ABC that fostered irrational expectations among select Queensland voters.

  78. john constantine

    Backbenchers need to be trained to instinctively associate contact from the abc offering publicity with contact from Nigeria offering 100 million dollars.

    The abc target the low hanging fruit, why not make each backbencher watch a compilation tape of the abc’s greatest tory killing hits?.

    Tell each backbencher that they have to earn a minute of abc airtime by appearing on non-socialist media for 3 minutes first?.

    They will kill you, you stupid hicks.

  79. Token

    If there was a marginal effect on the Queensland election from the award of an additional OA to the Duke of Edinburgh

    It is the vibe.

    Abbott has been willing to destroy his position as PM for knighthoods, book awards for lefties & bloated welfare programs for women while surrending on 18C and refusing to tackle debt.

  80. Token

    Tell each backbencher that they have to earn a minute of abc airtime by appearing on non-socialist media for 3 minutes first?.

    John C, it appears the backbenchers have a craven need to be loved by the ABC. They will would rather lose their seats in an electoral landslide and be derided as 1 term losers rather than address their need to be loved by those who act in every way to destroy them.

  81. Leo G

    Abbott has been willing to destroy his position as PM for knighthoods, book awards for lefties & bloated welfare programs for women while surrending on 18C and refusing to tackle debt.

    You suggest a rationale for you or I to consider voting against the Coalition in a Federal election, but not for either of us to vote against a state Coalition government.

  82. john constantine

    “It is the abc”,

    The heart of the liberal politician leaps in joy, as the friendly, chatty voice of the socialist fanatic identifies itself as calling from the heart of evil.

    “they love me, because i am different” giggles the liberal politician, “i will show them my total devotion, and they will not belt me again, i will show them that i am totally theirs, and the beatings will stop”

    Fucking co-dependant enabling needy whining yellow bellies.
    The abc only have the power to hate you, damage you and kill you, because you give them the money and power to do it.

  83. Token

    You suggest a rationale for you or I to consider voting against the Coalition in a Federal election, but not for either of us to vote against a state Coalition government.

    Each state Liberal / National party seems to be working through the same issues. Finding ways to betray and demonise their supporters while sucking up to people that would only ever vote for them in an anti-Labor landslide (every 15-20 years).

  84. .

    John C – jupes tells me that Cori Bernardi is a rocked ribbed conservative with no socialist tendencies hyet he appears on Q&A.

    Inquiring minds wanna know if he’ll vote against the Abbott beast’s next disastrous budget.

  85. Makka

    This means that ALP will not have the money to splash around like previous times. ”

    It won’t matter. That won’t stop Labor spending and the Debt certainly doesn’t matter to most Australians. Ahead of us is a period of various Leftist Govt’s ranging from the filth hard left to LNP soft left. However I doubt we will see much of the LNP in Govt at all. People are to scared of a responsible Govt when it’s so easy to vote in a Govt handing out free stuff. The Left will get in and consolidate by taxing the bejesus out of anything productive or with wealth. We are well on the path to Sweden.

  86. Myrddin Seren

    We are well on the path to Sweden.

    Optimist !

  87. Token

    “This means that ALP will not have the money to splash around like previous times. ”

    It won’t matter. That won’t stop Labor spending and the Debt certainly doesn’t matter to most Australians.

    Have you been watching how the left in the US use gay marriage, cooked up race problems, war on wymmynses, etc to distract people while they spend to the point of turning a good economy into Greece?

    Watch for our society to be torn apart.

  88. Makka

    Obama leads the way;

    “Washington (CNN)The great infrastructure debate is about to begin, so the White House hopes.

    On Monday, President Barack Obama will use his budget plan to propose spending $478 billion on America’s roads, bridges and mass transit systems, with half of that steep bill financed by new taxes on U.S. corporate profits that are squirreled away overseas, White House officials said.”

  89. Viva

    Revolving door government … never thought we would see such instability in this country.

  90. dianeh

    “This means that ALP will not have the money to splash around like previous times. ”

    It won’t matter. That won’t stop Labor spending and the Debt certainly doesn’t matter to most Australians.

    No it wont stop Labor spending but if they don’t limit their spending then their staggering incompetence and vote buying becomes more apparent far more quickly. And I doubt they will limit their spending, hence why I agree that one term govts will probably be the norm.

    Token, I agree about the US and that the left will try it on here as well.

  91. Fred

    “I agree that one term govt’s will probably be the norm.” Ooh goody,just like Italy.And we already have our own poor mans Berlusconi ready to spread his seed amongst his adolescent camp followers.

  92. tomix

    It will take generations for Qlders to forget Campbell Newman, and just in case they do, Newscorp/ABC will be sure to remind them about LNP Gov’ts..

  93. Makka

    I don’t follow your logic dianeh. The filth will buy election after election, no concern for debt or increased spending. You think Australians won’t love that and vote for more? You see now how they squeal and cry when some sensible spending cuts are attempted.

    ” their staggering incompetence and vote buying becomes more apparent far more quickly.”

    Australians in general hate stingy responsible Govt’s. Parties know that so they will all spend just to get and remain in power. That it becomes apparent is largely irrelevant when stacked up against free stuff.

  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    When I looked up Scott Morrison on Google I mostly got a riot of left-wing anti-Morrison propaganda. The Libs are not on the page re social media. Morrison already carries a lot of opprobrium due to his excellent work stopping the boats. The Libs should be in there capitalizing on his success, stressing its humanitarian and financial benefits, rather than letting the left set the agenda re Morrison’s ‘awfulness’.

    Nor are they on the page anywhere else. Their political communication is seriously bad. Coupled with their flim-flam policy making and general air of incompetence, no-one in votersville trusts them. I think this can be turned around, but the turn-around must start soon. Very soon.

  95. .

    We are well on the path to Sweden.

    Or worse.

    The Scandis have cut back their welfare states. We are rapidly expanding ours to the benefit of the APS and unions.

  96. It will take generations for Qlders to forget Campbell Newman, and just in case they do, Newscorp/ABC will be sure to remind them about LNP Gov’ts..

    Oh well, that’s got Joh off the hook for a while anyway.

  97. outsider

    Lem’s first looks on the money. Kerry Packer once told Richo why he lost so much gambling: ‘to a gambler, when you lose it’s got to hurt.’ That hurt is what is needed from the LNP, who think maybe they can bullshit their way out of this with a crafted speech or two, then sneak back to their true natures as supine slackers, like drain water following the path of least resistance and favouring whomever complains the most, like the well-organised Muslim letter writers over 18C.

    Come to think of it, if society can tame radical Muslims in some way, get them to the point where they can do a facsimile of tolerance and respect, we could use their undoubted organisational abilities, drive and outreach skills in say, 2030 when they are 10-15% of us. Some would make fine politicians, vote me in or else. Or Chiefs of Staff, lol.

    For MPs, maybe length of ‘service’ is a guide, in reverse. Morrison has been an MP only for 8 years apparently, and presents as a quite normal human, not yet zombified or lobotomised. Funny, today at the Press Club Shit Happens Reilly got Abbott a good one with the old ‘we’ll be collegial and consultative’ – he had exact same quotes from TA from each year going back to 2009, lol. And I agree Labor will do to the budget what they always do, no more need be said.

  98. Snoopy

    On Monday, President Barack Obama will use his budget plan to propose spending $478 billion on America’s roads, bridges and mass transit systems, with half of that steep bill financed by new taxes on U.S. corporate profits that are squirreled away already taxed overseas,

    The birthers are wrong. Absolutely no one born in Kenya is that stupid.

  99. Brett

    Should able-bodied, mentally capable adults who receive welfare be required to work?
    2 things I can’t understand here …. Why are there two possible answers to this question? Who would ever vote No (excluding able-bodied, mentally capable adults who receive welfare)?

  100. Amused

    Pauline Hanson looks set to be the winner of the seat of Lockyer – On the back of ALP preferences!

    Putting the LNP last just blew up like a shit bomb in their faces.

  101. tomix

    Jeff Seeney gave a Press conference this morning, essentially said drafting Campbell Newman into the Premiership, with all his City Hall staff and advisers, was a mistake, they didn’t understand the culture, tried to crash through, and crashed.
    Announced a Party meeting for Tuesday at 10.30 am, since cancelled.

  102. Amused

    Labor left Ms Hanson off their how to vote card in Lockyer, and because local candidate Steve Leese polled a strong 24.93% it was thought that the majority of his preferences would go to the LNP.

    But one source told the QT that “it appears there are plenty of Labor voters who didn’t follow their how to vote cards”.

    “It appears that many voters have decided to preference Hanson ahead of Rickuss and do their own thing.”

    Number every box they said. Put the LNP last they said.

    Seems ALP voters can follow instructions and problem solve after all! 😀

  103. Aussiepundit

    2 things I can’t understand here …. Why are there two possible answers to this question? Who would ever vote No (excluding able-bodied, mentally capable adults who receive welfare)?

    I don’t believe in work for the dole.
    Either it’s useful work – in which case it competes with local businesses, or it’s useless work, in which case it’s just making people work out of some kind of misguided moralism.

    The bottom line is that it’s always going to be a busy-work scheme concocted by bureaucrats.

    The dole is a pretty simple concept, and work schemes over-complicate it. The trick is to make sure that it’s not rorted (which in Australia at the moment, it’s basically not).

  104. Jeff Seeney gave a Press conference this morning, essentially said drafting Campbell Newman into the Premiership, with all his City Hall staff and advisers, was a mistake, they didn’t understand the culture, tried to crash through, and crashed.

    So former council staffers thought they were still on a council and treated the public like shit.

    Colour me really surprised.

  105. tomix

    Seeney sounded relieved. There must have been madness happening. He also endorsed Tim Nicholls for leader and Springborg as deputy.
    Since tomorrows meeting has been cancelled, the backbenchers mustn’t be interested in that lineup.
    Asset sales as a policy go the way of the dodo..

  106. Aussiepundit

    Asset sales as a policy go the way of the dodo..

    How come when Labor were voted out, racking up debt as a policy didn’t go the way of the dodo.

  107. Since tomorrows meeting has been cancelled, the backbenchers mustn’t be interested in that lineup.

    I could be wrong Tomix, but I’ve a feeling the party meeting has been postponed until they know who is actually still in the party.

  108. Since tomorrows meeting has been cancelled, the backbenchers mustn’t be interested in that lineup.

    First they gotta establish who the backbenchers are.
    Should take no more than a week, possibly two!

    Campbell Newman could be caretaker Premier until Valentine’s Day. 😀

  109. tomix

    Asset sales are an LNP dodo. The ALP will probably give the assets away, like they did with the ports, and the papers will mention it on page 94.

  110. tomix

    Sounds right, Steve at the Pub. Still a few thousand postal votes to be counted, which should favour the LNP.

  111. That was actually Campbell Newman speaking Tomix. He apparently stopped the meeting on the basis that the parliamentary party cannot elect a leader with so many of them still “undecided” status.

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