I would never (again) vote for a Coalition led by Tony Abbott

Okay – so to shake things up a bit.

18C – Abbott broke a profound and fundamental promise to repeal this provision of the RDA.

Increased taxes – I’m paying more tax now than I did when Labor was in power.

Xenophobia – this business about foreigners having to pay more for houses is just a big new tax. It is a disgraceful outbreak of racism. No doubt there will be a dob-in-a-foreigner hotline and people will be harassed at auctions across the country. I’m also disliking all this talk of ‘dual citizens’ being a problem.

He is a Keynesian – the budget and the failure to contain spending and the repeal of the debt ceiling.

Useless as a Prime Minister – rash promises, broken promises, tin ear, this confected outrage over the AHRC, race-based privilege in the Constitution …

He Cannot be Trusted – Abbott once told us that we shouldn’t accept anything he says that isn’t written down. Well we now know we should not accept anything he says full stop.

I will not be voting for the Coalition at the next election if Tony Abbott is still Prime Minister.

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344 Responses to I would never (again) vote for a Coalition led by Tony Abbott

  1. .

    Alfonso
    #1616177, posted on February 27, 2015 at 8:14 pm
    Sinc and Judith are Malcolm groupies.
    Therefore the forever ETS is on the Libert wish list.
    I’m shocked.

    What a disgusting, nauseating bullshit artist.

  2. John of Mel

    I’m not sure I’d vote for a Family First candidate on the strength of Bob Day

    LDP is in a similar position. Apart from David Leyonhjelm all their candidates are pretty much unknown to the general public.

    Family First has a very big advantage over LDP in my view – they understand that cultural fabric of a society matters. It’s not all about the economy. If Bob Day can set their economic thinking in the right direction for the future, then for me Family First is a clear choice.

  3. Rabz

    Hewson’s performance in business since politics hasn’t been great, …

    Tunrbull’s performance in politics since leaving business hasn’t been great …

    Napoleon’s performance since the retreat from Moscow hasn’t been great …

    And on and on and on …

  4. Infidel Tiger

    Ah, memowies – dwiving awound in a wed fewwawi wiv Carryoline.

    Then dumping her and the kids on Christmas Eve…

  5. Andrew

    Sinc and Judith are Malcolm groupies.
    Therefore the forever ETS is on the Libert wish list.
    I’m shocked.

    If anyone is going to support policies as stupid as the Enormous Trading Scam and oppose the wildly successful OSB, we already have a party for that.

  6. .

    What a disgusting, nauseating bullshit artist.

    Indeed.

  7. Alfonso

    Libert Judith loves a bit of discussion about the “best” carbon tax. Sinc won’t vote for Abbott, the alternative there being Mal, Bill or informal. The only one that doesn’t give you an ETS is informal.
    Bwaaa…..

  8. Tel

    The problem with this is that preventing Chinese from buying houses here hurts Australians more than it hurts Chinese.

    Prove it.

    It might hurt an Australian trying to sell a house, but it helps an Australian trying to buy a house. Hurts Australians in general? Just a wild rumour, based on nothing. Anyhow, the foreigner will probably pay the tax and buy anyway.

  9. Tel

    I hadn’t thought of the people-stupid-enough-to-vote-PUP demographic. Yeah, people that stupid might actually find Turnbull a thinner, more appealing Skywhale.

    Votes for PUP are protest votes, and there’s nothing stupid about it… both mainstream parties suck, while they keep telling me to join the far queue on issues like censorship, and metadata, I’ll keep saying “Far Chem” and I’ll put them at the bottom of my list. If a cat gets into their cozy little pigeon coop, I know they would do the same for me. They learn or they crash.

    Turnbull will never attract protest votes, he is the sort of thing people are protesting about.

  10. .

    Alfonso
    #1616204, posted on February 27, 2015 at 8:39 pm
    Libert Judith loves a bit of discussion about the “best” carbon tax. Sinc won’t vote for Abbott, the alternative there being Mal, Bill or informal. The only one that doesn’t give you an ETS is informal.
    Bwaaa…..

    You’re a liar and bloody imbecile. You spout this crap yet there isn’t a tax or spending programme you don’t complain about being axed.

  11. Alfonso

    Yet still…that’s 100% correct, eh Liberts.

  12. Gab

    I wonder if a Turnbull-led Liberal Party would have won the election in 2013?

  13. .

    Alfonso our dear pet retard,

    You’re a liar and you’re prepared to drag Judith through the mud to make some stupid point scoring post, because you’re a dishonest loser who hates freedom.

    She’s on the record saying that she’s prefer direct action to an ETS, and an ETS to a tax, and that she wants the RET scrapped.

    This article should make it obvious that she does not and never wanted a carbon tax or any kind of carbon price:

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/carbon-scheme-fails-on-three-key-levels/story-e6frg9if-1226091034850

    She also notes unless there is global implementation, any environmental tax would never work as intended. Which would mean enlightened readers could understand that without a treaty, there is no point going alone.

    Perhaps your perfidious lies about libertarians will cease. In the least you won’t besmirch the site owners anymore.

  14. Rabz

    I wonder if a Turnbull-led Liberal Party would have won the election in 2013?

    Gab – see #savingthefurniture or consult that noted oracle, the Fisk.

  15. Diogenes

    Hmmm local councils are funded by rates, which work off the price of the land..
    An increase in the availability of land with the subsequent reduction in rates would hurt them
    Local councils are often the source of blocking new development..

    A common misconception – at least in NSW.

    The total amount of of rates a council can collect is set by IPART as a $ amount as a function of approving a rates rise. The VG valuation of all the rateable land is totaled. The rate per dollar is calculated by dividing 1 by the other, then the rate per dollar is multiplied by the VG valuation for the block giving an individual their rates . This is very simplifies as there are adjustments for different land zonings(ie rural/residential/environmental/commercial) + things like pensioner discounts – council can play with overall proportions.

    To give an example with simple numbers – assume a council has only 1 kind of zoning , and does not offer pensioner discounts. Let us further assume IPART allows the LGA a rise that sees it collect $10,000,000 in total. Let us now assume the VG has valued all the land in the LGA @ $100,000,000. The rate per $ is thus calculated to be $0.10c. Therefore if your property is valued at $100 , you will be charged $10. Now to keep this simple, assume IPART does not allow a rise next year so the total council may raise is still$10,000,000 , the VG revalues the LGA , and now the total is $200,000,000 – so council can only collect $0.05 per $ of land value, and then depending on how your revaluation is set against the average rise, your rates will rise or fall.

    Thus it does not matter how many properties a council services or how much the land in the LGA is valued at – EXCEPT that the numbers of properties can be used to justify to IPART a rate rise.

    This also explains why councils can & do impose other charges & levies to raise funds over & above rates – such as the $500 fee to let trucks cross the nature strip for a new build, Councils prefer these as they are not obliged to provide a pensioner discount either.

    None of this is transparent (IPART, VG, councils setting the “mix”(having lived in a rural shire I have seen the mix change with each incoming cohort of councilors – they have rural interests rural contribute 30%, town 70%, if they have commercial interests in town interests then 50%/50%) – which is why I favour a poll tax type arrangement where councils charge per property or # of residents or a variant of the Californian System, where the rate is a fixed (in CA 1%) based on the amount of the last sale (CA allows for inheritance so some people are paying property tax based on the sale price of the original subdivision in 1927 – I would get rid of the inheritance provision – the VG values as if a sale had taken palce)

  16. Token

    Gab – see #savingthefurniture or consult that noted oracle, the Fisk.

    He eas not the only one who panicked when faced with the pasty white nerd.

  17. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Sinc, I just do not see how The Accused Rapist, The Junkies Wife, That Wong Chap and the rest of that collection of gargoyles, freaks, squandermonkeys, spivs, charlatans, frauds, union hacks, thieves, peddoes and whoremongers are preferable.

    Because that’s the choice.

    Blithering incompetence and rampant criminality in all areas of governance, or partial competence in most.

    Bad or worse – I can’t pick worse.

    My country deserves better.

  18. goatjam

    It kind of depends on your point of view MK50. There is a credible argument to be made that things won’t improve until they get worse. A lot worse. So if you subscribe to that viewpoint then voting in Mr Magoo and his team of faeces flinging baboons is merely prolonging the inevitable and dragging the whole process out.

  19. outsider

    Gillard and Rudd lost in 2013 rather than anyone winning it. It was the first mistake of the ruling triumvirate of the Loughnanes/Abbott – congratulating themselves as worthy victors rather than lucky non-losers, and settling in for their entitlement – the long haul of six years plus. In their minds there was no rush, so xmas came and went and so did they; on holidays.

    Their whole schtick is to progress slowly and deliberately and uncontroversially, this was very clear in Loughnane’s rather patrician post-election address to the NPC, and that is how they ‘do government’ as well. They talk up issues then either quietly walk away when put under a little pressure or move along at snail’s pace – the perfect political metaphor for the country as a whole. They are almost entirely exclusionary and dismissive of others, and it won’t end well. It never does.

    Poor leaders lose elections but now also lose the leadership even in government. It looks like progress once you realise most of them are refined dross best discarded, so you might need to try on a few before getting one that makes sense, and even then it is touch and go as so much can go wrong. Scott Morrison, cometh the man hopefully.

    It seems to work out in the end, the good ones get 10 years or so, but in the interregnum it looks chaotic. Nelson and Turnbull simply made a mediocrity like Abbott look good in comparison.

  20. Mk50 of Brisbane, Henchman to the VRWC

    Goatjam, there’s a reasonable theoretical argument there until you do two things:

    1. Look at the fate or Argentina 1900-2000 and compare it to Australia (do we REALLY think instututionalised socialist invcompetence leads to anything but Orwell’s ‘a boot stamping on a human face forever’?)

    2. Talk to people who lived through the 30-40% living standards collapse and massive unemployment of the Depression.

    it’s fine to talk about ‘The Samson Option’.

    Living through it is an entirely different bucket of crabs.

    I have just lived through retrenchment and taking a job paying 70% of what I had previously becuase it was the only thing going, QLD being a basket-case.

    Trust me on this.

    It. Is. Zero. Fun.

    And the Depression was orders of magnitude worse. As my grand-dad said ‘keeping your debts and family responsibilities, now, drop your income by 75%. That’s what happened to me, and I was one of the lucky ones, I still had 3 days work a fortnight.’ (and a cow, ducks, chooks and a big veggie patch, and fruit trees, and a WWI diggers gift for survival).

    Anyhoo, I am off, See you in in a week or so. Someone’s back in uniform.

  21. outsider

    If Labor luck into office – as they may – under them the economy will delaminate so badly Labor will consign themselves to the fringes for the medium term at least. Qld is the beta test for this exact scenario.

    It might also have to happen federally as well, for Australians to understand why a strong government has to be encouraged and permitted to carry out the appropriate corrective agenda, NZ style. We are not there yet, are we?

  22. egg_

    I wonder if a Turnbull-led Liberal Party would have won the election in 2013?

    Nope, but apples and oranges – could Abbott have beaten Rudd in ’07 – not a prayer.

  23. egg_

    Nelson and Turnbull simply made a mediocrity like Abbott look good in comparison.

    Whilst in Opposition, yes.
    And all Abbott had to do was be the smallest target possible against KRudd – Bishop saved his hide from Gillard’s misogyny campaign.
    Short memories.

  24. H B Bear

    I wonder if a Turnbull-led Liberal Party would have won the election in 2013?

    Of course they would. KRudd was dropped in it after Gillard sunk the ALP primary vote into the 20s.

    A more interesting question is whether Costello with 18 months as PM would have defeated KRudd in 2007? Anyone who has watched Costello in parliament would have to say he would have bent KRudd over like a new boy in cell block D.

  25. Giffy

    Outsider at 10.10pm
    tells it exactly as it was .. and as it is now.

  26. stackja

    So ALP and Bill Shorten are suddenly wonderful? LDP will disappear. Then what?

  27. Rabz

    My country deserves better.

    Does it?

    The decline of this country that I’ve witnessed in my lifetime has been both unrelenting as well as utterly infuriating.

    How on earth were we seduced by socialism’s siren call?

    Simple – once (most of) the great monsters of the 20th Century were vanquished, we assumed we were on easy street.

    One of the few people who spoke with any authority on how short sighted, stupid and wrong such an outlook was, was my father, bless his soul.

    He had islam pegged before 1979, but he was unrepentant in stating this during the most notorious events of those times:

    “The mohammedans, son, they want to destroy the West”.

    Truer words have never been spoken. We are dealing with the reality now.

  28. egg_

    Simple – once (most of) the great monsters of the 20th Century were vanquished, we assumed we were on easy street.

    Hence, the rise of the Greenfilth and Global taxation.

  29. twostix

    The problem with this is that preventing Chinese from buying houses here hurts Australians more than it hurts Chinese.

    Yes. Before Kevin Rudd gloriously repealed the laws in 2009 after Chinese nationals donated tens of thousands to the ALP the Australian’s were living hand to mouth because instead of houses shitty three bedroom houses being “worth” $550,000 they were “only” worth $450,000.

  30. twostix

    So if I’m understanding correctly Australian “Libertarians” think that the Rudd ALP government opening up Australia’s locked-up -by-state-governments residential housing market to Chinese Communist Party officials who donated them bagfuls of cash so that they might smuggle their ill-gotten gains out of China is an epic win for Freedom?

    Woohoo! CCP apparatchiks outbidding young Australian families so they can have a house for the children in China’s Crimea. Go Go Freedom! You who oppose CCP functionaries from pricing young Australian’s out of the Australian residential housing market are freedom hating swine!

    Mind that these are the same people who were all agog over Kevin Rudd’s ETS. The one which Malcolm Turnbull ordered the Liberal Party to support.

  31. Rabz

    Hence, the rise of the Greenfilth and Global taxation.

    Courtesy of the most eebil debil debil of dem all (cue spooky music) …

    Gerbil Worming! 😡

  32. twostix

    18C – Abbott broke a profound and fundamental promise to repeal this provision of the RDA.

    That’s an interesting thought: What’s Malcolm Turnbull’s take on repealing the RDA, attacking Triggs and taking on the leftist fortress of Human Rights in general?

    Oh. right.

    We all know.

  33. twostix

    this confected outrage over the AHRC

    lol

    That’s right. The OP, like most Turnbullians was for the Rudd / Gillard ALP immigration back door (aka Open Borders V 1.0 trial). It’s dreadfully embarrassing, all of this racist Nativist bigotry wrapped up in the vulgar “Stop the Boats” campaign.

    If the Turnbullians win this little stoush all of the whinging conservatives who are complaining about Abbott not being conservative enough so he simply must go Right Now, and are prepared to let that happen, are going to be in for a sad little surprise when they get their wish.

  34. Yohan

    Gillard and Rudd lost in 2013 rather than anyone winning it. It was the first mistake of the ruling triumvirate of the Loughnanes/Abbott – congratulating themselves as worthy victors rather than lucky non-losers, and settling in for their entitlement – the long haul of six years plus. In their minds there was no rush, so xmas came and went and so did they; on holidays.

    Bingo.

  35. twostix

    Gillard and Rudd lost in 2013 rather than anyone winning it. It was the first mistake of the ruling triumvirate of the Loughnanes/Abbott – congratulating themselves as worthy victors rather than lucky non-losers, and settling in for their entitlement – the long haul of six years plus. In their minds there was no rush, so xmas came and went and so did they; on holidays.

    Lol.

    So we’ve come full circle and now have “conservatives” literally quoting, word for word, the left’s 2013 talking points.

    Extraordinary.

  36. Rob

    Who gives a rat’s how you will vote.
    We’ll end up with the shambles the voters give us anyway so we’ll certainly be getting a government we deserve.
    The huge swings in Victoria and Queensland (twice repeated) are the clearest indication that a majority of voters are completely ignorant and have no idea what they are doing.
    Whose fault is that?

  37. twostix

    There’s 86.7 million CCP members in China.

    If only they could all buy a spare home for the kids in Australia. Why, what else is the purpose of a western nation if not to allow 80 million foreign communists looking to get the loot they plundered out of their country by offering them our meagre supply of housing?

    Yes, yes, it’s our own fault. The Federal Government should order Australia to quickly build 80 million new houses so prices don’t go up in response to Kevin Rudd abolishing laws in response to his foreign donors.

  38. twostix

    Meanwhile even the property market, building boom, wheeling and dealing US applies a tax of 10% to foreign property investors:

    Buyers of U.S. real property interests are required to withhold 10% of the full sales price on ANY purchase of a USRPI,

    We should definitely not do anything like that. Instead we should keep our tiny little property market fully open to 6 billion people because Racism.

  39. DB

    I actually think Tony Abbott has a lot to offer, despite an unimaginably terrible start to his Prime Ministership.

    However, the public has either stopped listening to him or is laughing at him. That’s the death zone.

    Abbott has to make way for someone else to salvage things and prevent a Shorten-Plibersek-Milne socialist government from well and truly wrecking the joint.

    My hope is for Scott Morrison.

  40. Harald

    Abbott is a dogmatic Capital C Conservative dud. Between now and the election Abbott will do nothing to further individual liberty. There is nothing in it for me to support him.
    .
    Moreover, I vote in the federal seat of Kooyong – Josh Frydenberg’s seat.
    .
    Josh has taken his electorate for granted, defending unpopular and perhaps even toxic Abbott policies, to further his career. He’s done quite well for himself, embarrassing his voters. Josh probably figured he could lose a few votes, since he had a decent margin.
    .
    If Abbott is still PM, I will not vote Liberal in the next election. My lower house vote will probably have to be informal, since I cannot vote Labor or Greens. Where it comes to the senate, however, informal won’t be necessary – other than Libs, there I have some options.

  41. Hasbeen

    From where I sit, I see Rudd & Turnbull as being blood brothers.

    Nothing on earth could ever get me, & most of my friends, all long term conservative voters, to vote for a party with Turnbull as leader. I had some trouble voting LNP last time because he was still in the party. Perhaps I just don’t like slime.

  42. Yohan

    So we’ve come full circle and now have “conservatives” literally quoting, word for word, the left’s 2013 talking points.

    Sometimes a talking point is true. Brendan Nelson could have won against RGR.

    In 2013 I cannot tell you how many ‘Howard battlers’ I knew who said yes, they wanted Labor gone, but they did not like Tony Abbott. This explains why the Liberals primary vote did increase like it should have, and why so many votes leaked to Pup.

  43. mitch

    I really hope all the social conservatives threatening to quit the Liberal Party, should Turnbull become leader, keep their promise. Maybe then the party can actually represent the Australian public.

  44. Combine Dave

    There’s 86.7 million CCP members in China.

    If only they could all buy a spare home for the kids in Australia. Why, what else is the purpose of a western nation if not to allow 80 million foreign communists looking to get the loot they plundered out of their country by offering them our meagre supply of housing?

    So if we don’t slap a few thousands (tens of thousands) of extra taxes on foreigner buyers 80 million (6 billion in your later post) Chinese are going to flood in forcing a few Australian families out of their life of luxury in the leafy suburbs and into a squalid evil appartment complex.

    yeah. nah that doesn’t pass the smell test.

    Why you so racist?

  45. PeterCGoing

    Simple answer, Sinclair, I will not read another word you write until you correct every error you have ever made. Makes it difficult to run a dialogue but you have decided that your opinion trumps others so try living with the crap journals put on people. I have yet to meet a modern journo that is not hankering to be a star and not one has exhibited leadership, Abbott has reluctantly taken the Islamic bull by the horns and the most important fight is brewing. All other pollies have yet to grasp that great evil and economy or not that one we must win. You’re a perfectionist who hates it when anything goes against your view. It’s a kind of totalitarian view.

  46. Jeremy Steyr

    The LNP is being ripped apart. Mostly by left wing people like Sinc who were born rich or with the unfortunate ability to count, thus excluding them from the ALP.

    Perhaps they could all fuck off and join the Sex Party?

    One can only hope.

  47. whyisitso

    I’ve been saying for some time, Davidson is just another ABC-Fauxfax lefty.

    I will never vote for any party led by Turnbull.

  48. Paul

    The Libs are going through an identify crisis at the moment just like the Republicans in the US. When the Libs finally work out that they are getting nowhere trying to be Labor and start to demonstrate conservative values they will start to win back the voters.

  49. Leo G

    Abbott has to make way for someone else to salvage things and prevent a Shorten-Plibersek-Milne socialist government from well and truly wrecking the joint.
    My hope is for Scott Morrison.

    The suitability of Scott Morrison for the position of PM is as irrelevant as the views of Coalition voters.
    Malcolm Turnbull is demonstrating that he has sufficicient support from elements of the media to undermine anyone other than himself as leader of the the parliamentary Liberal Party.
    He deceitfully implies that he can in the same way also lead majority Coalition voter opinion back to the glory days when he becomes leader- presumably by undermining public support of any Labor leader.
    The voters understand that, for the most part, and either support Turnbull for partisan or pragmatic reasons, or they support the present incumbent regardless of the futility.
    The PM loyalists in Parliament have Hobson’s choice.
    Short-term pragmatism will win, Turnbull will shortly be PM, conservative Coalition voters of the centre-right and centre-left will feel disenfranchised, many of the disenfranchised will permanent shift their ballot box support to minor parties such as the LDP, Family First, etc, and the Coalition will not only lose the next election, but any hope of reelection for a generation.

  50. Andrew

    18C – Abbott broke a profound and fundamental promise to repeal this provision of the RDA.

    Abbott at least believes s18c should be removed but just caved into both internal and external political pressure.

    Increased taxes – I’m paying more tax now than I did when Labor was in power.

    No disagreement there.

    Xenophobia – this business about foreigners having to pay more for houses is just a big new tax. It is a disgraceful outbreak of racism. No doubt there will be a dob-in-a-foreigner hotline and people will be harassed at auctions across the country. I’m also disliking all this talk of ‘dual citizens’ being a problem.

    He is in a Coalition with the Nationals so that does pose a problem with this but still I do agree with you here

    He is a Keynesian – the budget and the failure to contain spending and the repeal of the debt ceiling.

    Agreed, but Malcolm would be no different here.

    Useless as a Prime Minister – rash promises, broken promises, tin ear, this confected outrage over the AHRC, race-based privilege in the Constitution …

    He does have a tin ear and has been quite rash but I don’t think the partisan attack by the AHRC is ‘confected outrage’ but an acknowledgment that the organisation is biased and super partisan.

    He Cannot be Trusted – Abbott once told us that we shouldn’t accept anything he says that isn’t written down. Well we now know we should not accept anything he says full stop.

    Which politician hasn’t done this? I gather you have voted Coalition in the past.

  51. Combine Dave

    The LNP is being ripped apart. Mostly by left wing people like Sinc who were born rich or with the unfortunate ability to count, thus excluding them from the ALP.

    On economic issues I think you’ll find the LNP is very much to the left of Sinc.

    I will never vote for any party led by Turnbull.

    He’s the best leader the ALP never had. It’s a pity he joined the wrong party.

  52. Leo G

    The LNP is being ripped apart. Mostly by left wing people like Sinc who were born rich or with the unfortunate ability to count, thus excluding them from the ALP.
    Perhaps they could all fuck off and join the Sex Party?

    The Sex Party has what counts, eh?

  53. egg_

    conservative Coalition voters of the centre-right and centre-left will feel disenfranchised, many of the disenfranchised will permanent shift their ballot box support to minor parties such as the LDP, Family First, etc, and the Coalition will not only lose the next election, but any hope of reelection for a generation.

    Will whinge, but accept the status quo, especially if the polls change for the better?
    Is not the choice: Shorten or Shorten-lite?
    Surely, Abbott has been Rudd-lite?

  54. .

    I’ve been saying for some time, Davidson is just another ABC-Fauxfax lefty.

    So is Tony Abbott.

  55. candy

    The LNP is being ripped apart by ambitions of Turnbull, Bishop and probably Morrison (bit difficult to tell what he’s doing). If all the Cabinet supported the leader, this would not happen. They seem to be quietly waiting for someone to nominate them so they don’t have “blood on their hands”. The coward’s way, the free ride to the Lodge.

    I guess that’s politicians for you. This greed for power overcomes them when they should be showing solidarity. I’m really ticked off at them. No different to Labor. Damaged the party for a long long time.

  56. .

    twostix
    #1616390, posted on February 27, 2015 at 11:33 pm
    So if I’m understanding correctly Australian “Libertarians” think that the Rudd ALP government opening up Australia’s locked-up -by-state-governments residential housing market to Chinese Communist Party officials who donated them bagfuls of cash so that they might smuggle their ill-gotten gains out of China is an epic win for Freedom?

    They also have their fingers in each Chinese corporation you trade with, are you going to make a moral stand or put up with it because the trade makes all Chinese (and yourself) better off.

    Funny how you support Putin but refer to use as “Chinese Crimera”. Retarded even.

  57. outsider

    The Oz is running the line that A666 ‘needs time to mend his ways’ – kinda like a naughty child, a Muslim cleric who killed and burnt his wife, or some heroin dealers in the region perhaps.

    So time for him to hasten more slowly or do less with greater rapidity, or concentrate on doing almost nothing with greater urgency. All these are his special talent, of course.

    The Oz needs a reminder of something Jack Lang offered the young Paul Keating:

    “People will tell you that you have plenty of time, but the truth is you haven’t got a second to waste.”

  58. Leo G

    conservative Coalition voters of the centre-right and centre-left will … whinge, but accept the status quo, especially if the polls change for the better?

    Those of the party faithful will just whinge and move on, but many others, particularly the median-income centre-left, only regard the Coalition as preferable when it acts consistently with its stated principles and when it can show that it will not discriminate against their demographic.
    The group is very hostile to Turnbull, but has been alienated from Abbott by recent tax increases. They are a group which can be enticed away from the Coalition by targeted policies, Labor policies, particularly if there appears no sound ideological basis to continue support for the Coalition.

    Is not the choice: Shorten or Shorten-lite?
    Surely, Abbott has been Rudd-lite?

    Coalition voters haven’t been offered their choice.
    Rudd claimed to be a fiscal conservative, but clearly was never so.
    Abbott didn’t make any such ideological commitment, but made specific detailed policy commitments, which he has for the most part honoured, but he has introduced policies that are inconsistent with Coalition voters expectations of their leader.

  59. truth

    This is the most facile explanation of a voting intention I’ve seen in a long time.

    It completely denies that politics is the art of the possible , and gives shallow knee jerk reasons for your opposition on every issue.

    18C: There’s an imperative to get the metadata retention legislation through—which you no doubt—being a libertarian— are against , but which all of the people we have to rely on to keep us safe say is vital.
    I want my kids safe—but if I’m right and you are against the legislation then you appear to value more highly absolute purity in your Libertarianism.

    Some measure of cooperation was needed from the Muslim community and the Jewish community which was vociferously against the repeal.

    That the Muslim community is acting up now doesn’t mean that they won’t accept the data retention in practice—but 18C would still be the focus of enormous angst if it had been repealed and would have been said to be the reason for the data retention legislation.

    It wasn’t possible.

    Xenophobia: mad to call this racist.

    If it’s racist to expect foreign buyers to pay what’s a tiny amount for them to help allow Australian buyers to have even a slight chance of a look-in in buying real estate in our country —then we may as well just hand it all over and become mendicants in our own country.

    Abbott a Keynesian—because he didn’t commit hari kari in an attempt to do the impossible—in a climate of a slow-burning Lab/MSM coup that began on Day 1 of his government ?

    You think he wouldn’t have been already politically executed before the end of 2014 on the charge of AUSTERITY had he followed your prescription??

    It wasn’t possible.

    Useless as PM? Broken promises?…no! They were changes that have to be made when a government expects a disastrous legacy of deficit and unfunded liabilities—-but beyond that finds a $30b black hole —-anyone who thinks it’s BAU after that isn’t being real or in any way responsible.

    HRC & Triggs?- When Triggs saw that TA was elected and the LNP would stop the ppl-smugglers trade and release the detained, she knew that success would scuttle her agenda for Labor— the agenda to blame Abbott for the children in detention and incite community outrage against him—just another part of Labor’s ‘stop Abbott from governing’ strategy and another iteration of her Australia Day Scam to incite with a lie an Aboriginal crowd so they would set upon Tony Abbott for the gratification of Labor’s MSM Abbott-haters.

    Triggs had to move fast before the Abbott government had success and fixed the problem caused by Labor- couldn’t let the Australian people see the true nature of Abbott and his government—that they were not only infinitely more competent—but were also more compassionate than Labor.

    Abbott would have been stupid and not real if he had succumbed to this stitch-up—what would you have him do—pretend she was right—was not manipulating the Australian people for political purposes—was not lying as it looks like she might have egregiously done?

    Would you like Abbott to fall on his sword to protect a political opponent in her lie and propaganda against the Australian people ie to compound the lie by pretending it’s not a lie??

    He’s not to be trusted?…….And you cite the stupid MSM hate-filled GOTCHA!! Unbelievable!!

    Then you say Turnbull’s your man because..….[ ‘Abbott isn’t going to be able to repair the budget deficit, nor drive any of the reforms necessary to get the economy going. I think Malcolm Turnbull can. ]

    Where is your evidence that Abbott can’t? And what is your evidence that Turnbull can??

    No analysis from you of the Senate obstruction by Labor let alone the arrogant delusional ferals including the resident Libertarian.

    Tell us how you think Malcolm Turnbull—who’s never handled anything well in politics—would suddenly have the Senate zoo eating out of his hands.

    If Labor suddenly started passing things that would just reflect the fact that they’re happy to have dispatched Abbott who, they know, would if given the chance—- repair their massive damage to Australia—and reveal the extent of the Labor treachery and rancid incompetence.

    Is it because MT is the Goldman Sachs candidate for PM of Australia that you think he can fix the budget that a maniacal Senate —-run by cravenly Keynesian Labor and a bunch of mercurial power-drunk misfits —is determined to scuttle?

    Shorten already foreshadows massive NEW spending if he wins in 2016 —which this sabotage of the Abbott government will ensure.

    MT aligns himself with the high-spending Democrats in the US-hates Republicans using all th far Left lingo of the OCCUPY ferals.

    He wants a mining tax and a price on carbon and an ETS—claimed ‘ failure to support Rudd’s ETS would destroy the Coalition’- this when the CSIRO had kneecapped and elbowed out Clive Spash because his research showed Rudd’s ETS wouln’t work and Roger Pielke Jr of Colorado State had comprehensively researched it and concluded …..[ ‘that it was impossible for the Rudd government to meet its targets without …
    ‘ deployment of dozens of nuclear power plants or thousands of new solar thermal plants within the next decade’ or ‘creative accounting’ ]

    I can hardly believe the shallow ‘reasoning’ and blind irrational animosity in this—only to be explained possibly by the fact that TA isn’t toeing the Libertarian line.

    All I can say is thank God Australia isn’t a Libertarian country !!

  60. .

    “truth”‘s rant is the most facile political analysis we’ve ever seen on this blog.

    I want my kids safe—but if I’m right and you are against the legislation then you appear to value more highly absolute purity in your Libertarianism.

    What a joke. People who oppose metadata want your kids harmed?

    They are more likely to be harmed by their own government, vis a vis a IRS/Obama like scandal.

    If it’s racist to expect foreign buyers to pay what’s a tiny amount for them to help allow Australian buyers to have even a slight chance of a look-in in buying real estate in our country —then we may as well just hand it all over and become mendicants in our own country.

    This is just nonsense. You want to tax people more to buy into this country, with the proceeds to government, or we become mendicants because the private sector…?

    Abbott a Keynesian—because he didn’t commit hari kari in an attempt to do the impossible—in a climate of a slow-burning Lab/MSM coup that began on Day 1 of his government ?

    Absolutely. He’s weak as piss.

    You think he wouldn’t have been already politically executed before the end of 2014 on the charge of AUSTERITY had he followed your prescription??

    His job is to fix the country, not be a long serving PM with a golden handshake.

    Useless as PM? Broken promises?…no!

    Yes.

    They were changes that have to be made when a government expects a disastrous legacy of deficit and unfunded liabilities—-but beyond that finds a $30b black hole —-anyone who thinks it’s BAU after that isn’t being real or in any way responsible.

    Wrong champion. Hockey devised a budget which was within 99% of the ALP forecast.

    HRC & Triggs?- When Triggs saw that TA was elected and the LNP would stop the ppl-smugglers trade and release the detained, she knew that success would scuttle her agenda for Labor— the agenda to blame Abbott for the children in detention and incite community outrage against him—just another part of Labor’s ‘stop Abbott from governing’ strategy and another iteration of her Australia Day Scam to incite with a lie an Aboriginal crowd so they would set upon Tony Abbott for the gratification of Labor’s MSM Abbott-haters.

    So why hasn’t Mr Weak As Piss tried to pass a bill to sack her, or even get the AFP to investigate Gillard, and sack anyone who refuses to do their duty?

    He’s not to be trusted?

    He lied.

    Then you say Turnbull’s your man because

    Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m not a Liberal, the party nearly had a spill.

    Is it because MT is the Goldman Sachs candidate for PM of Australia that you think he can fix the budget that a maniacal Senate —-run by cravenly Keynesian Labor and a bunch of mercurial power-drunk misfits —is determined to scuttle?

    Wash your mouth out. Do you even know who Bob Day and David Leyonhjelm are?

    Shorten already foreshadows massive NEW spending if he wins in 2016 —which this sabotage of the Abbott government will ensure.

    So what? Hockey will for two years in a row, raise the level of Commonwealth spending.

    All I can say is thank God Australia isn’t a Libertarian country !!

    Of course – you’ve made it clear that you and Tony Abbott’s Liberal Party, Hockey and Turnbull included, love socialism.

  61. Aussiepundit

    I wonder if a Turnbull-led Liberal Party would have won the election in 2013?

    Yes.
    It was a drover’s dog election.
    Turnbull would have won; Hockey would have won; Morrison would have won; Bishop would have won.

    The praise that is heaped on on Abbott for his ‘brilliant’ campaign is unwarranted. You might as well heap praise on Shorten under similar circumstances.
    The praise given to Credlin and Loughnane for “masterminding” the election victory is even more ridiculous and borders on the delusional.

  62. Aussiepundit

    Here we have a thread on why Tony ABbott is unfit to be prime minister and all the usual suspects are obsessing over…. Turnbull.

    The reason is that the premise of the article is right: Abbott’s unfit to be prime minister.
    Turnbull, for all his faults, would be better.
    There is nobody on this site or elsewhere who has mounted something even resembling a refutation of this.
    People attack Turnbull, incessantly around here, in isolation. Never is the comparison made directly, would he be better or worse than Abbott, because Abbott comes out worse. Instead it’s just a bunch of inchoate moaning about light bulbs.

  63. Aussiepundit

    By the way, the next election, under Abbott, will be a ‘drover’s dog’ election.
    Think about that, cats, next time you’re bitching about light bulbs.

  64. candy

    When is MT going to put up a leadership challenge, Aussiepundit? what is he waiting for. Tony Abbott won’t resign.

  65. Aussiepundit

    When is MT going to put up a leadership challenge, Aussiepundit? what is he waiting for. Tony Abbott won’t resign.

    Soon, I hope.
    Unfortunately the timing’s not good right now because Abbott hasn’t made any grievous, horrendous mistakes in a couple of weeks.

  66. KaaBee

    Nor could I vote I for one led by Turnbull so I guess our opposing views simply represent the savage split that believe will occur and possibly destroy the Liberal party if this madness continues and a challenge is mounted

  67. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Aussiepundit at 3:06 pm :

    “Turnbull, Turnbull, Turnbull, Turnbull, …”

    You’re tiresome.

    The smirking carpet stroller has sat on his flabby clacker in Parliament, at my expense, for a decade and done nothing of value. He makes no contribution to the Liberal government simply because he doesn’t like the leader.

    He’s too much of a traitorous snake to announce a challenge so he has the sycophants scurrying about for him with pearlers such as “Turnbull, for all his faults, would be better.” Eh? He was woeful – appalling and embarrassing – as Opposition Leader.

    Shouldn’t you be spending more time preparing to join the coolies who President Me-Me-Me will have building his shiny limestone pyramid, rising above Edgecliff to celebrate his very presence amongst us?

  68. Gab

    When is MT going to put up a leadership challenge

    He’s not. He doesn’t even have the guts to resign first. He did nothing for years except leak to the opposition (the leftarded media) to undermine the Liberal Party and Abbott. At least Abbott and some others had the decency to resign first before bringing on a challenge. Turnbull is a gutless sham. A third rate show pony who hates the we little people. And he’s an arrogant prick to boot. Turnbull makes Kim Jong Un look like a decent human being.

  69. Aussiepundit

    From Aussiepundit at 3:06 pm :

    “Turnbull, Turnbull, Turnbull, Turnbull, …”

    You’re tiresome.

    I’m not the one who raised Turnbull. His name has been used nearly 50 times just on this second page of comments alone.
    If you actually read my comment, I was being critical of people obsessing over Turnbull rather than addressing the actual fucking issue, which is Abbott himself.

    “Turnbull, for all his faults, would be better.” Eh? He was woeful – appalling and embarrassing – as Opposition Leader.

    “Eh?” that’s all you’ve got? I guess you agree that Abbott is no better than Turnbull.
    Nobody can argue that Abbott is better than Turnbull. Nobody. Because Abbott has destroyed himself politically with broken promises.

    The electorate will never forgive Abbott. They will never re-elect a party with him as leader.

  70. Aussiepundit

    Nor could I vote I for one led by Turnbull

    Yet you could vote for Abbott? IF that’s the case then you have no principles.

    Anyone on this site who says “I would never vote for Turnbull” but would vote for Abbott is unprincipled.

  71. .

    Because Abbott has destroyed himself politically with broken promises.

    …and a tenure of a PM which mostly pursued the agenda of his ostensible opponents after being given a clear mandate to destroy their agenda.

  72. jupes

    this confected outrage over the AHRC

    Confected? Abbott’s problem is that he hasn’t shown any near enough genuine outrage.

    * Triggs waited until the Coalition was in government before holding her enquiry.

    * She colluded with two Labor immigration ministers about the timing of the enquiry.

    * She lied about that to Senate estimates.

    * She lied in her own enquiry about seeing armed guards in detention centres.

    * She lied in her own enquiry about kiddies not receiving medical attention in detention centres.

    * She lied at a press conference about female attempted suicides in detention centres.

    * Not only did she recommend that an unreformed foreign murderer be released into the Australian community, but also that we should give him about one year’s worth of her overinflated salary.

    FMD Sinc, what does she have to do before Abbott is allowed to show a degree of disappointment in the cloth-eared bint?

  73. egg_

    When is MT going to put up a leadership challenge, Aussiepundit? what is he waiting for. Tony Abbott won’t resign.

    Sure about that?

  74. egg_

    Abbott’s worst enemy is Abbott.

  75. Infidel Tiger

    A vote for Turnbull will depend entirely on what policies he presents.

    If it’s same sex emissions trading and carbon marriage, I’m out.

  76. steve

    Sinc you don’t like Abbott you, didn’t like Newman, you didn’t like the Liberals in Victoria I never hear you criticise Shorten maybe you vote has always been Labor.

  77. 1234

    “I would never (again) vote for a Coalition led by Tony Abbott”

    Ha ha ha, poor fool you for voting for him in the first place. Buyers regret given you were praising him to the heavens in the lead up to the 2013 election. Anybody with any sense and an understanding of what a poor minister he was under Howard would never have supported Abbott in the first place. Never anything but a blatherer and bully boy completely incapable of growing in the job as PM. Him and his “team” are nothing but the B side from the arse end of the Howard years. But keep him there, he needs to be done slowly.

  78. .

    steve
    #1617165, posted on February 28, 2015 at 6:32 pm
    Sinc you don’t like Abbott you, didn’t like Newman, you didn’t like the Liberals in Victoria I never hear you criticise Shorten maybe you vote has always been Labor.

    PAL the Liberals are just that freaking bad. We expect better of them. Voting for Shorten? Too far man. The Doomlord has feelings.

  79. .

    1234
    #1617179, posted on February 28, 2015 at 6:42 pm
    “I would never (again) vote for a Coalition led by Tony Abbott”

    Ha ha ha, poor fool you for voting for him in the first place. Buyers regret given you were praising him to the heavens in the lead up to the 2013 election. Anybody with any sense and an understanding of what a poor minister he was under Howard would never have supported Abbott in the first place. Never anything but a blatherer and bully boy completely incapable of growing in the job as PM. Him and his “team” are nothing but the B side from the arse end of the Howard years. But keep him there, he needs to be done slowly.

    …and Rudd and Gillard were worse. and Shorten will be more of the same.

    Have you heard this hysterical idiot speak in Parliament? Shorten is an A grade loon.

  80. Greg

    Don’t know if you are trolling your own site to get s backlash after a long lunch. It seems everything is unimportant aexcept a laissez free market with no checks on capital accumulation. The member for Goldman Sachs tickles your fancy. Malcolm has obviously done a lot of networking in the right places. I will never vote for him. Malcolm has contempt for the coalition base and we loathe him. Rudd was used by the unions to gain power and then discarded asap. Apparently TA was used by the purist ‘tomato’ libertarian right to gain power but is to be discarded. I think TA has been an effective PM. His unforced errors on trivial things (knighthood) are massively beaten up. TA’s biggest promise was to fix the budget mess. My criticism of the budget was that it wasn’t tough enough. I think everyone underestimated the reluctance of any group to accept cuts including the purist right. Of course the ALP is despicable and Palmer shows how money can buy influence. The Goverment biggest problem is that it can’t get significant reforms through the Senate. Maybe the best we can hope for is an ALP Hawke like consensus government. Apparently the office of PM is unimportant and is the gift of the whims of political spinners and leakers like Sinodinos.

  81. candy

    Greg
    I agree with just about everything you say there.
    I hope and pray things works out well and the Libs get over this and Malcolm Turnbull moves on somewhere else.

  82. Pyrmonter

    For those who keep chiming in with the refrain that “it’s all about the base”, what part of the “base” supports:

    – higher marginal income taxes
    – barely constrained growth in government expenditure
    – the incorporation into the constitution of (further) racial identity politics
    – interference with the right of native born Australians to buy and sell, borrow and invest from/with/to foreigners in friendly countries
    – leaving industrial relations unreformed for fear of another “Work Choices” scare campaign?

  83. truth

    Malcolm Turnbull is a very bad fit with the Liberal Party and the LNP.

    His views are Malcolm Fraser’s –MT says he’s flattered to be likened to Fraser.

    So eventually Fraser’s views would become the prevailing ones.

    He thinks Fraser has been badly treated by the Liberal Party—and admires Keating and Garnaut.

    MT is Fraser’s anointed one—–designated to get rid of every vestige of policy that the reviled John Howard employed to save Australia from the chaos and carnage of Australia’s previous dalliances with Labor.

    MT’s heroes are Labor…

    Of Wran—‘the best of men’—he says ‘the tragedy is that he never came to Canberra’ [ presumably as Labor PM]…’Neville was family. He was such a great man and I miss him terribly.’

    Of Whitlam…’it was mismanagement on an appropriately magnificent Whitlamesque scale’.
    Many of the rest of us see it as a disaster for Australia with ongoing irreversible repercussions.

    He’s passionately committed to CAGW of course —says it’s a moral issue— and is very impressed with China’s action on climate change—the beat-up version the Left uses to belt TA with that is.

    And he has all the LW Democrat warmist talking points—the Koch brothers—likens sceptics to tobacco denialists—‘

    …‘there’s been a very successful war against science ‘ he says, ’led by people with vested interests’.
    Obviously doesn’t know about the vested interests of Gore , Deben, Leggett, all of the Big Green foundations—the heads of the so-called inquiries into Climategate etc etc—and of course his own Goldman Sachs.

    He crossed the floor on Direct Action—but since confines his stance to ‘opposition by stealth and implication’.

    He says, ’ Will the world take action? I think it will. My concern is that it will be too late to avert much of the damage. But having said that, there’s a lot we don’t know … If we’re still burning as much coal as we are today we will be leaving a very dangerous planet for our children.’

    He says no ‘credible leader of a major party” would be able to get away with saying that “the IPCC is rubbish, climate science is all wrong”.

    So can’t you just see MT as PM up there on SKY and his ABC plugging Direct Action and putting the case against an ETS?

    So the Goldman Sachs and Big Green end of town candidate has been dispatched by the uber-warmist billionaires and FF divestment enthusiasts of the Sierra Club and their urban and EU counterparts —-to rectify the ‘mistake’ they believe the Australian people made when they elected climate realist Tony Abbott.

    That is it’s a climate coup—an atrocity against the Australian people justified because it’s for ‘the planet’—no worries!

    That’s why the obscene and sudden haste—to have the Goldman Sachs candidate installed by the time of the Paris Conference—which will be attended by 2000 or more private jets with their precious loads of mega-rich planet-savers.

    He wants a mining tax—LNP policy is against that.

    Can’t you just see him arguing for LNP policy—in an election leaders’ debate?

    He labels conservatives in the Liberal Party, like Tony Abbott, Kevin Andrews and Eric Abetz as ‘the DLP’—so many of us would be similarly despised.

    He supports traitors Assange and Snowden on civil liberty grounds and thinks Julia Gillard should have thrown her support behind Assange.

    Is that why you Libertarians want him?

    So presumably he’ll welcome and endorse the next outrage from Wikileaks or Snowdon, even if it damages Australia.

    ‘On a string of current social freedom or civil liberties issues he has been well to the left of Labor premiers and prime ministers’, says Robert Manne.

    He’s incredibly passionate about multiculturalism in the fullest sense of the word-many separate [ with emphasis on separate] cultures—the Malcom Fraser vision. He sneers at the views of John Howard and Blainey that Australia could end up a ‘nation of tribes’—calls it a ‘fantasy and a straw man’ without any explanation of why that I know of.

    ‘There can hardly be a member of the federal parliament who is a greater enthusiast for multiculturalism’ says Manne.

    Providing the same justification for terrorism that so many ‘moderate’ Muslims do, he claims that since September 11, the actions of America and its allies have played into the hands of the enemy by alienating young Muslims living in Islamic lands or in Western countries.

    He recalls a conversation with John Howard, where he pointed out that one of the London bombing terrorists was, like Howard, a cricket lover, but with a ‘ Pommy accent’.

    That was supposed to say ‘they were just like us and now look what we’ve done to them’. All our fault!

    He seems to be unaware that those terrorists had had the benefit of UK education, health care etc had been living it up with Anglo friends not that long before—that radicalisation occurs no matter how much they’ve been embraced by the host country.

    He now knows that the ISIS beheader-in-chief had the benefits of absolutely everything Britain had to offer and still turned to medieval terrorism because the rest of us are non-believers.

    Having provided all the justification the death cult needs, how could MT say a word if the Muslim community here steps up their already widespread statements of justification?

    Turnbull endorses the view that it’s in Australia’s interests to weaken the power of the US in order to grow the power of China—to have the two powers ‘balanced’.

    How does that view that seems to give no thought at all to the fact that China is a Communist dictatorship with a history of mass murder of its own people—innocents—on an unprecedented scale in human history—-fit with that of the party he’s trying to grab in a coup??

    Would he express that view that’s anathema to us —- to our American allies—and how would they ever trust Australia here on in? Why would they not suspect every nuance of every policy?

    His MSM brokers and facilitators think this malevolent and sinister coup is justified because they say MT has a ‘withering wit’—is a great communicator etc.

    The opposite is the truth—he stumbles and bumbles —much less clarity of message than TA , so that by the end of a sentence the sense of it is lost—his QT performances are nowhere near as real ,clear, focused and well-delivered as those of Tony Abbott—-on the contrary they’re pompous, forced, over-cooked and over-planned — attempts at humor labored and too ‘try hard’ and obvious—-embarrassing.

    There’s no way MT will ever be accepted or even able to lead the LNP. A great many of us would rather not vote at all and pay the fine — than vote for the government with him as PM.

  84. wreckage

    Yeah, TA botched it after he got elected, MT botched it long before. Let’s face it, you’re not going to improve the PM by replacing him with a guy who couldn’t even manage to be Opposition Leader credibly.

  85. wreckage

    Him and his “team” are nothing but the B side from the arse end of the Howard years.

    So true. And yet, so much better than the very cream of the ALP.

    The LNP wipes its arse with policies Labor can’t even aspire to.

    The LNP once had an intern shit on a piece of A4; the product was actually 75% clearer and 30% less pungent than the entire corpus of Labor tax policy.

    One time, Tony Abbott took a power nap and unseated a Labor PM in his sleep. I can’t remember which one it was; they’re all much of a muchness.

    Abbott made a gaff and the Queen’s hubby got knighted. Ruddard made a gaff and shut down the entire live beef export industry, resulting in hundreds of animals starving to death.

    Abbott’s immigration policy puts kids in detention. Rudd’s put them in unmarked graves at the bottom of the fucking ocean.

  86. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Morro scares the crap out of the Left. You can see the wee running down their legs every time he gets up to speak.

    He has the most important talent required to cower the filth- Intimidation.

    Perhaps too he could/can put some spine into Liberal media countering of the general zeitgeist of the left, so prevalent in everyday thought these days.

    I listened on the car radio to some adverts from the nurse’s union and other public sector orgs, all of them blasting Abbott for wanting to privatise and ‘take away’ all the medical and welfare systems currently in place. Why, I wondered, don’t the Libs counter this somehow? How about ads and statements that ask the punters when was the last time you waited too long, were fobbed off, or received no joy from a government service? Then promise ‘better and more efficient services at no extra cost’ via a more efficient and effective way of doing things. Tell the people; they are on the receiving end of hopeless government paperwork and inefficient delivery where ‘Abbott’ and ‘lack of resources and funding’ is constantly said to be the problem. There is a clear need to redefine this; the problem is how things are done. Most people have come across government waste and obstruction – especially in health and welfare, but also in planning and development, in business and employment.

    For goodness sake, get out there and tell them this. The Libs have a MASSIVE failure in communication; where the only bright light is being held up by Morro.

  87. .

    It seems everything is unimportant aexcept a laissez free market with no checks on capital accumulation.

    True. It’s called freedom, we fought wars to preserve it and you could learn a lot from this kindly, old eminent man:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6S1LjU92Y

    Milton Friedman – Is Capitalism Humane? (Q&A)

  88. .

    Is that why you Libertarians want him?

    We don’t, we formed the LDP and to me only Morrison and Johnston are acceptable Prime Minesterial candidates. The rest of the LNP are unacceptable. Wyatt Roy is good but he’s too young.

    Providing the same justification for terrorism that so many ‘moderate’ Muslims do, he claims that since September 11, the actions of America and its allies have played into the hands of the enemy by alienating young Muslims living in Islamic lands or in Western countries.

    That’s partly true.

    He seems to be unaware that those terrorists had had the benefit of UK education, health care etc had been living it up with Anglo friends not that long before—that radicalisation occurs no matter how much they’ve been embraced by the host country.

    Which is why the LDP opposes welfare for immigrants and wants a 10 year period or permament residency before you can get citizenship.

  89. Brendan

    IPSOS poll – stunning Abbott recovery to just 49 to 51 against

  90. BorisG

    Hi guys,

    All these flaws of Abbott don’t matter. The problem is that his continued PMship is just prolonging the agony. He is finished. LNP under Abbott have zero chance in the next election. This seems to leave only JB or MT. JB will screw up even worse then Abbott. She is as shallow as she was when dumped as Shadow Treasurer. I say this with some regret as I a WA patriot. That leaves only MT. He may be flawed in many ways but he is much better than Shorten. And he is there with a chance at the next election.

    I will vote Liberals (in the house) no matter who is in charge. And yes I would have preferred Stephen Harper but we don’t have one so I will live with David Cameron 0r John Key. Better than Shorten and co.

  91. Fisky

    Boris – what about Morrison?

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