Monday Forum: July 27, 2015

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  1. C.L.

    Very sad: Whitney Houston’s daughter dies in a bathtub – like her mother.

  2. Snoopy

    From CL’s 7:47 pm link:

    The same-sex marriage debate entered a new phase of intolerance with Labor voting to expel parliamentarians who advocate man-woman only marriage. In two Parliaments time , Labor MPs and Senators who vote against redefining marriage will be expelled from the party.

    I predict Ed Husic is in for a bout of ill health.

  3. Geriatric Mayfly

    Looks like Martin Ferguson will be having company in the Labor Gulag.

  4. Bruce of Newcastle

    ALP unpersons list:

    Martin Ferguson
    Cis-marriage people
    Climate sceptics
    Jews
    News Corp
    Christians
    IPA members
    Pro-lifers
    Rupert Murdoch
    People afraid of muzzos

    Have I missed anyone?

  5. slackster

    Eight years of Hillary Clinton might actually finish off the US after all.

    I give it 3 1/2

  6. Gab

    Furriners, Bruce, especially the Chinese.

  7. The Beer Whisperer

    This can’t end well. Any young gay leftie is playing with fire. When the pendulum swings back, they better pray its not through the likes of ISIS. Fools one and all.

  8. Leigh Lowe

    Have I missed anyone?

    Anyone who talks down the efforts of the CFMEU to defend the wukkers.

  9. Eddystone

    Can I once again ask any like minded Cats who disagree with Tony Abbotts decision to ban imports of the Adler lever action shotgun to express their displeasure to the man himself.

    https://www.pm.gov.au/contact-your-pm

    I am thoroughly disillusioned with this government, and I now have a single minded objective to see them thrown out of office.

  10. cohenite

    Eddystone

    #1748892, posted on July 27, 2015 at 8:31 pm

    Has it been banned? I thought it had been delayed.

  11. Eddystone

    Importation has been “suspended”

    We all know where this is going.

  12. Zippy The Younger

    Cameron’s Clarity on Violent Islam

    David Cameron delivered an important speech in Birmingham this week promising new measures to counter violent Islam. Note the Prime Minister’s use of the “I” word.

    Speaking in a city where 20% of residents are Muslim, Mr. Cameron was blunt. The root cause of Islamist radicalization, he argued, is neither economic deprivation nor the West’s alleged misdeeds in the Middle East. It’s a worldview that begins with “hearing about the so-called Jewish conspiracy and then develops into hostility to the West and fundamental liberal values, before finally becoming a cultish attachment to death.”

    As for responses, he insisted that it wasn’t enough for Muslim communal leaders in the West to denounce suicide bombings in London if they didn’t also denounce “suicide bombs in Israel.” He also took aim at the excuse-making and moral self-flagellation that seems to go with every terrorist attack. “How can it be,” he asked, “that after the tragic events at Charlie Hebdo in Paris, weeks were spent discussing the limits of free speech and satire, rather than whether terrorists should be executing people full stop?”
    Mr. Cameron promised to roll out specific policy proposals in the coming months, and we’ll have to see how serious they are. Among the ideas: deploying ex-Islamists to help “de-radicalize” Islamic State recruits, empowering liberal and reformist Muslims, and dealing with the ghettoization of immigrant Muslim communities in public housing.

    Mr. Cameron isn’t infallible when it comes to speaking about Islamism. He recently called on the BBC to stop using the term “Islamic State” to refer to the group violently constructing a new caliphate across the Middle East, on the theory that using the group’s own name for itself creates the impression it’s a legitimate Islamic entity. But playing these name games evades the very problem Mr. Cameron is trying to address.

  13. Zippy The Younger

    This is how you do taqqiya

    Sheikul Islam condemns Saiburi/Pattani bomb attack
    In a statement, the Sheikul Islam deplored the bomb explosion in Tambon Taluban in Saiburi district and condemned it was a brutal and inhumane act to incur on innocent people.
    It called on all Islam religious and community leaders across the country to adhere to the Islam teaching and cooperate with friends of other religions in their communities to help protect lives and properties of people in their communities, and also to provide assistance to victims of violence in all religions.

  14. Leigh Lowe

    Thanks Zippy.
    Cameron has had his stumbles, but he is as good as we’ve got outside Israel when it comes to calling the Islamic spade a spade.

  15. pete m

    just out of interest, what does one use a lever action shotgun for?

  16. Cold-Hands

    David Cameron delivered an important speech in Birmingham this week promising new measures to counter violent Islam. Note the Prime Minister’s use of the “I” word.

    It’s amazing what a conservative politician can say if he no longer has to pander to the cross benches/wet coalition partner. I would predict a similar conversion by Mr Abbott if he ever got control of the Senate.

  17. Gab

    Why has Sinclair placed Ronald on the banner? Is it to commemorate the Tax Reduction Legislation introduced in July 1981 by Ronald?

  18. Leigh Lowe

    Why has Sinclair placed Ronald on the banner? Is it to commemorate the Tax Reduction Legislation introduced in July 1981 by Ronald?

    Ronnie would have been 100 today.

  19. Leigh Lowe

    … or 105 next February.
    I don’t really know what Ronnie is doing here.

  20. Ms Dolittle

    Telstra and Virgin Australia have already agreed to offer an extra two weeks leave to domestic violence victims.

    Doc shut my fingers in the till today… don’t like my chances.

  21. Ms Dolittle

    Have I missed anyone?

    Those with a definite plan to turn back boats.

  22. Bruce of Newcastle

    Mrs D – You need to be quicker.

  23. H B Bear

    It’s amazing what a conservative politician can say if he no longer has to pander to the cross benches/wet coalition partner. I would predict a similar conversion by Mr Abbott if he ever got control of the Senate.

    Nope.

  24. Cameron has had his stumbles, but he is as good as we’ve got outside Israel when it comes to calling the Islamic spade a spade.

    LL, I welcome his words, but have the feeling he has just cobbled them together from the latest focus group discussing the rise of UKIP.
    When he acts, I will review my scepticism. I do not trust this weasel – no one has a change of behaviour as he has, without there being some evidence of it beforehand.

  25. just out of interest, what does one use a lever action shotgun for?

    Pretty much the same stuff one uses any other shotgun for.
    Shooting pigs, shooting cockatoos, shooting pigs, shooting clay pigeons, shooting pigs, shooting at jam tins on the fence, shooting pigs, shooting at the water in dams to watch all the spout of water from the shotgun blast, shooting pigs.

  26. Cold-Hands

    WTF Even the IDF is kow-towing to political correctness.

    IDF ?@IDFSpokesperson 17 minutes ago
    Going vegan is a choice – respecting that choice is our obligation. #MeatlessMonday

  27. slackster

    Not sure if the Cat is up to speed on this farce:

    My prediction of 3 1/2 years is spot on

    http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/christie-blatchford-ruling-in-twitter-harassment-trial-could-have-enormous-fallout-for-free-speech

    “Ruling in Twitter harassment trial could have enormous fallout for free speech
    What’s believed to be the first case in Canada of alleged criminal harassment-via-Twitter is just a judge’s decision away from being over.

    After hearing closing submissions Tuesday from Chris Murphy, who represents 54-year-old Gregory Alan Elliott, Ontario Court Judge Brent Knazan is expected to rule on Oct. 6.

    In the balance rides enormous potential fallout for free speech online.”

  28. Huck

    Tom, earlier you stated that ATC were responsible for the Tenerife accident.
    Did you read your own link?
    From the wiki you provided:

    As the accident occurred in Spanish territory, Spain was responsible for investigating the accident. Investigators from the Netherlands and the United States also participated. The investigation revealed that the primary cause of the accident was the captain of the KLM flight taking off without clearance from Air Traffic Control (ATC).[4] The investigation specified that the captain did not intentionally take off without clearance; rather he fully believed he had clearance to take off due to misunderstandings between his flight crew and ATC.[4] Dutch investigators placed a greater emphasis on this than their American and Spanish counterparts,[5] but ultimately KLM admitted their crew was responsible for the accident, and the airline financially compensated the victims’ relatives.[6]

    We actually studied this incident as part of our Human Factors module at Airservices Academy and without doubt the arrogant Dutch captain was to blame. In fact, his arrogance is one of the driving reasons behind the current practice of CRM where all members of the flight crew have input into operational decisions.

  29. Leigh Lowe

    Telstra and Virgin Australia have already agreed to offer an extra two weeks leave to domestic violence victims.

    Doc shut my fingers in the till today… don’t like my chances.

    Hmm.
    A doctor with a cash till.
    Dr Howlong I presume?

  30. Tom

    I grovel with modification, Huck. However, I don’t think it follows that KLM has historically poor CRM. Great to hear from you again. Don’t be a stranger here.

  31. Pedro the Ignorant

    just out of interest, what does one use a lever action shotgun for?

    pete m 8.48.

    One uses it for whatever one damn well pleases. Thank you for your enquiry.

    Obviously the concept of doing something without a government apparatchik’s approval is foreign to you.

  32. Leigh Lowe

    Huck, from memory, the Tenerife accident had a number of factors which contributed, including:-
    – the myopic desire of the KLM captain to get airborne, I think to avoid busting crew shift limits;
    – the timidity of the other crew members in not challenging him;
    – the intensity of radio traffic which meant ATC messages were being truncated as various crews pushed their Comms buttons;
    – poor visibility
    I certainly don’t recall ATC being a cause.

  33. Huck

    Tom, where would we be without stereotypes? FWIW, most stereotypes are generally based on truisms.
    Also, thanks for the kind words. I’m here most of the time, but with the new job it’s hard to keep up to date, particularly with the speed that these OT’s rack up comments and as a consequence I’m always chasing my tail and rarely get the opportunity to post.
    I did, however, manage to claim the prized arseless chaps on the Q&A thread a month or two back.

  34. cohenite

    pete m

    #1748904, posted on July 27, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    just out of interest, what does one use a lever action shotgun for?

    Fun.

  35. Huck

    You’re spot on with your précis Leigh.

  36. Infidel Tiger

    IDF [email protected] 17 minutes ago
    Going vegan is a choice – respecting that choice is our obligation. #MeatlessMonday

    Perhaps the Muzzies are right to want to eliminate them.

    Vegans are evil.

  37. .

    Mitch
    #1748819, posted on July 27, 2015 at 6:28 pm
    I know this is off topic, but why is Ronald Reagan at the top?

    [Because Ronald Reagan is awesome. Sinc]

    Testify.

  38. Infidel Tiger

    Leaving aside the internal coalition political implications for a second: what is the Cat view? (Dot, Fisky, IT, Rabz …)

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-27/turnbull-says-coalitions-ret-policy-could-be-considered-a-tax/6651714

    My tentative view is he’s right; and that the RET is a bigger problem than the Carbon Tax Abbott inherited.

    Turnbull is right. I’ve always said the RET was far worse than the carbon tax.

    It’s possibly the single most dangerous thing ever foisted on Australia. It has destroyed one of our most important natural advantages – cheap energy.

  39. Leigh Lowe

    Huck, I went back and had a look at some of the KLM references.
    I might be wrong, but I think ATC were giving departure instructions for what KLM should do after take-off.
    Due very high traffic on the radio, some of that message was scrambled but the phrase “take-off” was heard, maybe because he desperately wanted to hear it.
    ATC did nothing wrong, but Comms protocols were changed as a result of this prang so that I think now a pilot would be given instructions for after departure, and the phrase “take-off” is only used when giving clearance to start the roll.

  40. Ms Dolittle

    Hmm.
    A doctor with a cash till.
    Dr Howlong I presume?

    OK, OK it was the draw with the petty cash. No till, I’m just attention seeking.

  41. .

    Evil:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy

    To an extent it works, then the cupboard goes bare. People don’t want communism at that point. Remember no one has voluntarily voted in a communist government: Pinochet was on the way out but tried to protect himself behind legal chicanery and illegality. All others have been foisted on the populace by lunatic revolutionaries.

  42. Ms Dolittle

    A doctor with a cash till.

    Why do so many people pay with cash and cheques? They think they are doing you an enormous favour. “There you go little lady.” I keep telling them, just like Naomi Campbell, I don’t get out bed for a job under $20,000, nor do I enjoy banking. Perhaps they are inspired by the knowledge I probably won’t bank their cheque before their Medicare rebate comes in, so they’ll be in front for a bit. People are funny though…. we work in the inner city area on a couple of days a week and patients always ask me how vicious the parking inspectors are. I park in the carpark, so how would I know? Given this particular cohort are prone to anxiety, why wouldn’t they take the stress out of the visit and park in the carpark. Because they are tight – that’s why. Old men and their money…. no pockets in a shroud. Doc’s really lucky to have me front of house though… the face of near enough is good enough neurology… Some old biddy told me I “wouldn’t last 5 mins in customer service”… just as well I’m in freaking admin then. /rant off

  43. Ms Dolittle

    San Francisco combats the stench of urine with pee-repellant paint

    Lick o’ paint for the Cat?

  44. Infidel Tiger

    San Francisco combats the stench of urine with pee-repellant paint

    Presumably semen and faeces will be next.

  45. Huck

    Leigh, all correct.
    There have been a number of incidents over the years where confusion with phraseology has played a part. I was never a tower controller, so I’m not entirely sure of what the correct taxi, takeoff and departure phraseologies are. Read backs of certain instructions should go some way to reducing confusion as well.
    In this instance the “gethomeitis” that the captain was suffering probably caused the confirmation bias error that in effect allowed him to hear what he wanted to hear, and as such was probably the biggest contributor.

  46. jupes

    As for responses, he insisted that it wasn’t enough for Muslim communal leaders in the West to denounce suicide bombings in London if they didn’t also denounce “suicide bombs in Israel.”

    Well said that man.

    Of course there’s Buckley’s chance of any Muslim complying, so what will be Cameron’s response to that? The smart money is crickets, however just pointing out the bleeding obvious for a change is refreshing.

  47. Arky

    Why do so many people pay with cash and cheques? They think they are doing you an enormous favour. “There you go little lady.” I keep telling them, just like Naomi Campbell, I don’t get out bed for a job under $20,000, nor do I enjoy banking. Perhaps they are inspired by the knowledge I probably won’t bank their cheque before their Medicare rebate comes in, so they’ll be in front for a bit.

    ..
    People paying on time for your services. How dare they. I can see how aggravating that could be.

  48. Leigh Lowe

    People are funny though…. we work in the inner city area on a couple of days a week and patients always ask me how vicious the parking inspectors are.

    .
    I know how to take their mind off parking.
    Just say “I’ve read the pathology, darling, and let me just say that parking fines are the least of your worries.”

    They’ll piss themselves when they find out it was a wind-up.

  49. C.L.

    David Cameron delivered an important speech in Birmingham this week promising new measures to counter violent Islam.

    Sorry, no. Still wrong. There is no other Islam but “violent Islam.” That’s the norm.

  50. When lefties and feminists come out for polygamy, I’ll change my mind.

    Oh dot, I’ve demonstrated countless times this is already the case. Here is another article with a number of examples.

    Now change your mind.

  51. .

    Someone is lying:

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/diver-killed-by-shark-off-tasmania-20150725-gikb27.html

    According to Taronga Zoo’s Australian Shark Attack file, there has been one fatal unprovoked shark attack in Tasmania in the last 100 years.

    There are at least two others.

  52. “Labor decision to expel supporters of man-woman only marriage”

    Wow. Just think about that.

    Wow indeed. This completely undermines any pressure for the Liberals to have a conscience vote and demonstrates the inherent Stalinism of the ALP.

  53. .

    Feminists. Not male, latino supreme court justices.

  54. .

    I’ve demonstrated countless times

    No you haven’t.

  55. Infidel Tiger

    Those CFMEU ads about the Yellow Peril are freaking hilarious.

  56. Ms Dolittle

    People paying on time for your services. How dare they. I can see how aggravating that could be.

    Pay on the day. I’m sorry, is there any another way? Can you still pay for groceries by cheque?

  57. .

    I shudder to link to the FXJ lady pages, but this is just hysterical:

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/dl-people/dl-entertainment/amanda-seyfried-reveals-she-was-paid-10-percent-of-her-male-costar-in-major-movie-20150715-gicn4v.touch.html

    Amanda Seyfried reveals she was paid 10 percent of her male co-star in major movie

    That’s because you’re still an up and comer compared to Mark Wahlberg.

    The Sony hack in 2014 revealed Lawrence’s wage for American Hustle was much lower than her male co-stars.

    That’s because you weren’t the leading actress either love. Did you even read the script?

    On Tuesday, British prime Minister David Cameron announced plans to force UK companies to reveal the earning disparities between their male and female employees.

    He should just join the UK Greens.

  58. .

    I usually pay people by cheque to piss them off.

  59. Ms Dolittle

    other, sorry

    But that’s all I’m sorry for.

  60. Ms Dolittle

    I usually pay people by cheque to piss them off.

    [email protected] you very much. Have a great day.

  61. Arky

    Oh, I don’t know Doolittle. What terms do some trades operate on? Thirty days?
    Or run a retail outlet and watch a percentage of the merchandise walk out the door.
    Or work on a salary and get paid once a month in arears.
    But good on you for being in a business where you always get paid on time.
    Then whinging about it.

  62. .

    Um, I only do it to piss them off…as in I do it very rarely.

  63. Arky

    Or get deployed to a war zone in Army and wait a year to get the dosh, only to find out your girlfriend has rooted everyone in a thirty mile radius, cleaned your bank account out and pissed off overseas.

  64. .

    To the schleps from the Q&A thread, this is the worst song of all time:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0

    Gotta have my bowl gotta have cereal.

  65. C.L.

    Amanda Seyfried reveals she was paid 10 percent of her male co-star …

    Never heard of her.

  66. Feminists. Not male, latino supreme court justices

    Are Judith Stacey and Elizabeth Brake not feminists? You’re beclowning yourself, dot.

  67. DrBeauGan

    I can see why you think everything is shit, Arky. But it could have been worse, you might have married her.

  68. Arky

    Not me.
    But it is a standard warning given to troops about to deploy.

  69. Infidel Tiger

    “A few years ago, on one of my big-budget films, I found I was being paid 10 per cent of what my male co-star was getting, and we were pretty even in status,” she said in The Sunday Times.

    If she is talking about her and Wahlberg being even in status then she needs therapy. He’s an actual star.

    She couldn’t open a school play, let alone a Hollywood blockbuster.

  70. .

    Wow two feminist academics, therefore the entire feminism movement thinks the same?

    Utterly unconvincing Dover.

    Polygamy has nothing to do with gay marriage.

    (Ridiculous, third-wave) feminism will never embrace polygamy because it is irreconcilable with unfair divorce laws that screw men to the point of poverty and suicide.

  71. Oh come on

    Just watched the 4 Corners hatchet job on Twiggy Forrest. I have a great deal more respect for the guy having done so.

  72. Infidel Tiger

    Shut up, Dot. Did you think Hitler was going to stop at Poland?

  73. Ms Dolittle

    What terms do some trades operate on? Thirty days?
    Or run a retail outlet and watch a percentage of the merchandise walk out the door.
    Or work on a salary and get paid once a month in arears.

    So what? That’s their problem, not mine.

    But good on you for being in a business where you always get paid on time.
    Then whinging about it.

    Yes, yes good on me for being in a business that demands payment up front. In point of fact (and in addition to my laziness re: banking), personal cheques do not get everybody paid on time, 5 business days to clear.. oh come on, in this day and age? Gee whizz, some cheques even bounce – boo hoo! Nevertheless I understand some people like to use them – and me not being a total bitch, I accept them. That doesn’t mean I have to like it and of course I can have a really good old whinge about old farts using cheques if I want because… it’s a free country and a private practice.

  74. Huh, cheques? That is all I use.
    I pay everything by cheque.
    Is there another way? (that is viable?)

  75. .

    Infidel Tiger
    #1749277, posted on July 27, 2015 at 11:25 pm
    Shut up, Dot. Did you think Hitler was going to stop at Poland?

    (Third wave) feminists thinking that polygamy helps their (wicked and misandrist) cause are as silly as Hitler when he thought that standing his ground at Stalingrad was a good idea.

    If a man has three wives, and one wants to divorce him, what will the other two women do or say? Or their shrill feminist solicitors and barristers?

  76. Oh come on

    Through clenched teeth, the ABC journo couldn’t avoid the indisputable: Twiggy gets things done.

    They even dug up some obscure slavery “expert” living in Bangkok who pooh-poohed Forrest’s antislavery movement , and said she might take his efforts seriously if he lobbied governments to basically adopt the methods of Hugo Chavez.

    What a joke.

  77. Arky

    Sorry, Doolittle. I got the emphasis wrong in that last post.
    Whatever.
    Fixed.

  78. Ms Dolittle

    girlfriend has rooted everyone in a thirty mile radius, cleaned your bank account out and pissed off overseas

    If your ex ever darkens my doorstep I can assure you I will not accept a cheque. We good now Arky?

  79. .

    Oh Come On:

    That sounded like a pathetic hit job by a lunatic left wing sheltered workshop.

    Twiggy has done more for Aborigines than any other human being.

  80. Wow two feminist academics, therefore the entire feminism movement thinks the same?

    Utterly unconvincing Dover.

    oh dot, I never imagined you a liar. There are a large number of feminists for polyamory, not only two, and I never asserted nor did you require the view of the entire feminist movement. I would have thought that the steadily increasing drumbeat of articles promoting polyamory at Newsweek, Time, Salon, Huff Post, The New Republic, NYT, etc, you know, almost every liberal news and opinion organ that matters, would give you pause, but no, your memory yielded.

    Polygamy has nothing to do with gay marriage.

    There can be no principled objections to the former given the premises of the latter, but now we know why your pride about gmarriage yields to the memory of polygamy/ polyamory.

    (Ridiculous, third-wave) feminism will never embrace polygamy because it is irreconcilable with unfair divorce laws that screw men to the point of poverty and suicide.

    No, no, they will indeed support polyamory because it will further undermine what they believe are the patriarchal elements of traditional marriage.

  81. Ms Dolittle

    Huh, cheques? That is all I use.

    Can I get a beer with a cheque?

  82. Cold-Hands

    Bet this doesn’t get the coverage of Rolf Harris/Bill Cosby/Robert Hughes

    AN Australian TV legend who has starred in Prisoner, Hey Dad! and Home and Away has been charged with child sex offences.

    Maggie Kirkpatrick, best known for playing “The Freak” on acclaimed small-screen soapie Prisoner, says she will fight to clear her name when she faces court in August.

  83. .

    Sorry I don’t read Salon.

    There can be no principled objections to the former given the premises of the latter, but now we know why your pride about gmarriage yields to the memory of polygamy/ polyamory.

    Why is that?

    Americans have continued polygamy regardless of gay marriage. The idea that they are necessarily related is nonsense.

    No, no, they will indeed support polyamory because it will further undermine what they believe are the patriarchal elements of traditional marriage.

    Third wave feminists aren’t interested in patriarchy, only your bank account.

    You keep on mentioning polyamory, I am referring to polygamy.

    Polyamory happens anyway. Most people don’t want it. It is less popular than polygamy and doesn’t require the government to approve or disapprove of it.

    Feminists can’t win, a monogamous marriage can already get pre nuptial agreements, otherwise polygamy ensures a court has to protect those who stay in the marriage, and the more wives, the stronger the effect.

    You’re scared shitless of your political enemies DB. They’ve lost a lot in the past fifty years. Don’t let what you perceive as my underestimation of them into some reason to include me as one of them generally.

  84. Oh come on

    I like Twiggy. He comes across as a Hank Reardon type figure.

    Ooooh it’s noisy, whines the ABC journo whilst standing atop of a colossal ore processing plant.

    It’s fantastic, isn’t it, counters Twiggy; it’s the sound of wealth creation and employment.

    Fuck yeah.

  85. Can I get a beer with a cheque?

    ??????????
    You make it sound as if buying beer with a cheque is not normal or something.

  86. .

    Yeah sure Salvo. I’ll write out a cheque for $4.50 for a schooner of VB or XXXX.

  87. Just watched the 4 Corners hatchet job on Twiggy Forrest. I have a great deal more respect for the guy having done so.

    +1
    Likewise for me.

  88. Yeah sure Salvo. I’ll write out a cheque for $4.50 for a schooner of VB or XXXX.

    Couple of things mate.
    “Schooners” are some sort of southern measurement. You’re in man’s country here, drink beer in man sized containers.
    (& if you’re drinking over the bar, it is customary to write the cheque out for one or two hundred & take the change in cash – dickhead).

  89. Arky

    If your ex ever darkens my doorstep I can assure you I will not accept a cheque. We good now Arky?

    ..
    Wasn’t my situation.
    You are alright Doolittle. Try to relax a bit though.
    Eventually we will live in a cashless society, and when the authorities don’t like your opinions you will be in a financial gulag until you repent. They will not need actual camps. You will then pine for cheques and cash.
    I still remember my first pay packets as an apprentice. An envelope full of real cash. They came around the factory floor with a trolley of envelops.

  90. .

    If I wanted to get drunk, I’d drink rot gut.

    A seven glass of Hahn Light for me, will a cheque for $1.97 do?

  91. Fisky

    We’re talking about two different things here. Polygamy has nothing culturally in common with gay marriage, and indeed the only countries that allow polygamy are the most virulently antigay. There is little threat of a campaign for polygamy succeeding on its own. However, polyamory is different. The constituency for it significantly overlaps with that of gay marriage and has some appeal to elite liberals who decide everything in the US.

    The flipside is that polyamorists can hardly claim to have ever been “oppressed” like gay people so they will face some difficulty in making a civil rights case for recognising their lifestyle choice. However if liberals are able to get polyamory recognised, then this will require the recognition of polygamy through the back door. And polygamists will be eligible for child benefits, so you may well have the state subsidising dozens of children in a single household.

    It will be an utter disaster demographically.

  92. Hahn light? I don’t run a gay bar, “Bouncer, over here, please remove the metrosexual, use extreme prejudice”

  93. Oh come on

    You’re in man’s country here, drink beer in man sized containers.

    Bluddy Queenslanders and their love of warm beer.

  94. Stimpson J. Cat

    Hahn Light?
    Oh I’m going to bed. 🙂

  95. JC

    Oh Lord, He’s back to pubbling again.

  96. Oh come on

    JC did you watch the 4 Corners piece on Andrew Forrest?

  97. Bluddy Queenslanders and their love of warm beer.

    Er… we dun use skewnaz.
    My coldrooms are -1.5 deg C & beer comes outta the taps at about that temp. Consider that warm if you wish, but most light beer will freeze at that.

  98. .

    No Salvo it is a prick of a thing to pour when hardly anyone drinks it and pouring it into a small glass is a laugh.

  99. Oh come on

    WA logic is as follows: in a hot climate, large glasses = additional time required to consume contents, meaning contents become unacceptably warm due to exposure to hot climate during that additional time.

    Hence…the glorious middy.

  100. JC

    OCO

    I can’t stand Forrest. I’m sure the show did a hatchet job on him from the left. I just can’t stand the fucker as I don’t think he’s a stand up guy.

    His entire senior executive bench are broke from what I’ve heard. He made them all buy yards of stock and they are now in serious hock to the lenders and could lose their homes and net worth. Of course, he’s okay though. I’ve heard not very good stuff about him and he looks to me to be a complete phoney.

    I love Gina though.

  101. No Salvo it is a prick of a thing to pour when hardly anyone drinks it and pouring it into a small glass is a laugh.

    ?????? Are you seriously suggesting I’ve got light beer on tap?
    FMD.

  102. Oh come on

    But JC you have to admit the guy has runs on the board. He has built something of substance.

  103. Infidel Tiger

    WA logic is as follows: in a hot climate, large glasses = additional time required to consume contents, meaning contents become unacceptably warm due to exposure to hot climate during that additional time.

    Hence…the glorious middy.

    Sounds logical, but a physicist assured me I was wrong due to the surface to volume ratio. If you want your beer cold, drink it in larger vessels. Or just chug it.

  104. .

    …but you drink it quicker. As you suggest!

  105. Why is that?

    Americans have continued polygamy regardless of gay marriage. The idea that they are necessarily related is nonsense.

    I said there can be no principled objection given the premises of gmarriage. You are arm-waving by talking about ‘necessary relations’.

    You keep on mentioning polyamory, I am referring to polygamy.

    Polyamory happens anyway. Most people don’t want it. It is less popular than polygamy and doesn’t require the government to approve or disapprove of it.

    Well, yes, the same was true of same-sex relationships, but gmarriage and polyamory do require government recognition in order to harness the privileges that are associated with marriage. That is why recognition will be sought along with the approval that is desired.

    Feminists can’t win, a monogamous marriage can already get pre nuptial agreements, otherwise polygamy ensures a court has to protect those who stay in the marriage, and the more wives, the stronger the effect.

    Umm, no, given that courts now hardly protect those that do not initiate divorce in marriage proper, I don’t see why they will seek to protect those that remain married in polgymous or polyamorous ‘marriages’.

    You’re scared shitless of your political enemies DB.

    No, I take them at their word.

    Don’t let what you perceive as my underestimation of them into some reason to include me as one of them generally.

    You don’t underestimate them so much as over-estimate yourself. I’m sure in 10 or so years time, when polyamory is before SCOTUS or the Australian parliament, you will be saying that I never saw this coming, that you were sure you could triangulate the feminists, etc. into political oblivion even as you were helping them argumentatively over those same 10 or so years.

  106. Fisky

    Dot, Dover, we seem to be talking about different things here.

    Polygamy and gay marriage have nothing in common especially as those societies that enshrine polygamy are also the most anti-gay. There is no significant constituency for polygamy, and those that might benefit from it have no connection with the liberal elite that actually decide cultural matters.

    However, polyamory is different. There is a potential constituency for it among elite liberals, and although they can’t play the same civil rights card that the gay community could, logic or precedent are not really important to the liberal elite. Their reasoning is “I like X, so X should be legal. I don’t like Y, so Y should be banned.”

    The danger with polyamory is that if the liberal elite do decide it needs to be recognised as marriage, this will also lead to the recognition of polygamy through the back door. And given that polygamists are the only ones likely to be interested in raising children (polyamorists mostly aren’t interested in children, although some might be), you’ll soon have the government subsidising polygamist welfare families from places like Somalia with one or two dozen children under the same roof.

    Which is a demographic catastrophe.

  107. Oh come on

    Look I can see he’s systematically trying to create a Twiggy mystique. Fine. But at the end of the day, he’ll be judged by his actions and up until now he’s delivered.

  108. C.L.

    Polygamy has nothing to do with gay marriage.

    Certainly it does.

    No supporter of phony gay “marriage” can logically oppose polygamy.

    It’s not possible.

  109. JC

    But JC you have to admit the guy has runs on the board. He has built something of substance.

    Sure, but I don’t think it’s going to last because I reckon it will go bust. So he never built something lasting.

    Gina has.

    Gina inherited 70 million and turned that into 30 billion at the height. She will go on. Twiggy won’t

  110. Oh come on

    Sounds logical, but

    I did say WA logic.

  111. Fisky

    So, I’m not especially fussed about polyamory as of and in itself. But it’s pretty difficult to see how it could be legalised without legalising polygamy at the same time. And polygamy is always and everywhere a demographic catastrophe that ruins every society it’s been tried. So there needs to be a strategy to bash the liberal elite over the head with polygamy as soon as they start piping up about “multiple partners’ rights”.

  112. Fisky

    Certainly it does.

    No supporter of phony gay “marriage” can logically oppose polygamy.

    It’s not possible.

    It’s actually pretty easy to do so on utilitarian grounds. Gay marriage is not harmful, whereas polygamy is.

  113. JC

    OCO

    I don’t think the firm has made a profit. Iron ore prices are going lower and he’s fucked. I like my billionaires to stay out of the papers and stop grandstanding. In fact I like billionaires I’ve never heard of 🙂

  114. C.L.

    If you boo Adam Goodes you’re a racist, says Swans boss Andrew Pridham.

    “If you’re booing Adam Goodes I’ve got bad news for you,” Pridham told Fairfax Media. “You’re a racist. It’s not acceptable when the only conclusion you can come to is that there is racism involved in the way the crowds are treating Adam…

    With West Coast leaders Matt Priddis, Adam Simpson and CEO Trevor Nisbett strongly backing the Swans stand over Goodes, Pridham likened the Goodes booing scenario to “people running down the street smashing shop windows. If you duck in afterwards and take something out of that shop and say you’re not a thief well then I’ve got bad news for you. You are a thief.”

    Seriously, what an ape.

  115. Fisky

    No supporter of phony gay “marriage” can logically oppose polygamy.

    It’s not possible.

    Of course it’s possible. Gay marriage causes no harm to society whereas polygamy invariably does. On the harm principle and on utilitarian grounds, it’s very easy to support one and not the other.

  116. Fisky

    No supporter of phony gay “marriage” can logically oppose polygamy.

    Sure they can. On the harm principle and utilitarian grounds it’s very easy to support one and oppose the other.

  117. JC

    But it’s pretty difficult to see how it could be legalised without legalising polygamy at the same time.

    SCROTUS has already done that. The judges went out of their way to highlight “the love between TWO people” … I’m paraphrasing. There’s no way polygamy will ever be recognized as a form of marriage in the west as western females are against it.

    SCROTUS will never go for polygamy.

  118. … the only conclusion you can come to is that there is racism involved in the way the crowds are treating Adam…

    The “only” conclusion eh?
    A more realistic conclusion is that crowds are treating “Adam” that way because he’s a wanker.

  119. .

    Umm, no, given that courts now hardly protect those that do not initiate divorce in marriage proper, I don’t see why they will seek to protect those that remain married in polgymous or polyamorous ‘marriages’.

    You don’t see?

    I just showed you how it can be done:

    1. Pre nuptial agreements.
    2. A woman leaving a polygamous marriage will have to compete with her sister wives who remain married to their husband.

  120. Oh come on

    Sure, but I don’t think it’s going to last because I reckon it will go bust. So he never built something lasting.

    You’re speaking in hindsight even though what you speak of hasn’t happened.

    Using this logic, it could be argued that Gina has never built something lasting, either.

  121. Fisky

    SCROTUS has already done that. The judges went out of their way to highlight “the love between TWO people” … I’m paraphrasing. There’s no way polygamy will ever be recognized as a form of marriage in the west as western females are against it.

    SCROTUS will never go for polygamy.

    Let’s see how far the polyamory movement goes. If that builds steam among the liberal elite then polygamy could definitely be legalised through the back door.

  122. Fisky

    There’s no way polygamy will ever be recognized as a form of marriage in the west as western females are against it.

    Some western females will support it, those who weigh over 90kg and don’t bother with exercise.

  123. C.L.

    Peter Hartcher says Labor now has a sales pitch for the next election: sodomy and windmills:

    It is positioning itself as the party of the future. It now has an expansive renewable energy plan, and supports speedy movement towards allowing same sex marriage. It’s even put its absurdly anachronistic “socialist objective” up for review.

    It is framing Abbott, by contrast, as a man captured by the past.

    This is what the ALP has been reduced to: crying lesbians and opposition to electricity.

  124. Arky

    Let’s see how far the polyamory movement goes. If that builds steam among the liberal elite then polygamy could definitely be legalised through the back door.

    ..
    Backdoor polygamy.
    So wrong.

  125. JC

    OCO

    It hasn’t happened, but it will. his firm is going bust. And no, Gina’s won’t go bust because she can withstand further falls in the price of ore.

    All high cost producers of iron ore are going to go to the wall. There’s no way around it.

    Twiggy’s company is a high cost producer with a decent wad of debt. He’s gone.

    Don’t forget that the self severing prick wanted the government to create a Twiggy support scheme to prevent low cost producers from producing more ore.

  126. .

    JC
    #1749338, posted on July 28, 2015 at 12:19 am
    OCO

    I don’t think the firm has made a profit. Iron ore prices are going lower and he’s fucked. I like my billionaires to stay out of the papers and stop grandstanding. In fact I like billionaires I’ve never heard of 🙂

    I think you’re being too harsh.

    Their costs of production are under $20 a tonne and they have a 4.6% dividend yield last year and a current PE of only 12.

    They’re probably still expensive but they have had good cashflow and cost reductions in the last 3-4 years. Their EBIT has been good since 2009, as has their operating margin (which has increased recently).

    As usual, their debt to equity ratio is a worry.

  127. Oh come on

    Note that I’m coming at this with the assumption that if you’re a successful businessman with unimpugned business operations and 4 Corners is still going at you, you’re probably doing something right.

  128. C.L.

    Sure they can. On the harm principle and utilitarian grounds it’s very easy to support one and oppose the other.

    Total nonsense.
    Gay “marriage” will harm more children than any other form of cohabitation.
    I’m not sure what the utilitarian raison d’être of gay “marriage” might be.

  129. .

    Hmm I was overly optimistic. Their costs are still low. I was referring to projected cost savings, and these will increase as the commodity price falls (vis a vis derived demand).

    http://www.miningaustralia.com.au/News/FMG-cuts-production-costs-posts-record-shipping-ra

    Fortescue Metals Group slashed its iron ore production costs by 11 per cent in the December quarter while shipping 47 per cent more of the commodity.

    Figures released by the Pilbara miner today show a strong performance, with 41.1 million tonnes of iron ore shipped, a 47 per cent increase on the prior comparable period.

    During the quarter, Fortescue mined 43.6mt of ore, two per cent higher than the previous quarter and 36 per cent higher than the prior comparable period.

    Impressively, FMG has managed to slash its operating costs to rival that of the major producers, booking an 11 per cent saving to US$28.48 per wet metric tonne (wmt).

    During the quarter, the average price received for its ore slid to $US63 per dry metric tonne.

    The figures come on the same week the iron ore price fell to fresh five-year lows of $US62.70 a tonne, leading to a sell-off of FMG shares.

    As always, I still think they’re too expensive. I’m looking for a $1 share that pays $2 dividends half yearly and 400% capital appreciation by next week.

  130. Polygamy and gay marriage have nothing in common especially as those societies that enshrine polygamy are also the most anti-gay. There is no significant constituency for polygamy, and those that might benefit from it have no connection with the liberal elite that actually decide cultural matters.

    However, polyamory is different. There is a potential constituency for it among elite liberals, and although they can’t play the same civil rights card that the gay community could, logic or precedent are not really important to the liberal elite. Their reasoning is “I like X, so X should be legal. I don’t like Y, so Y should be banned.”

    The danger with polyamory is that if the liberal elite do decide it needs to be recognised as marriage, this will also lead to the recognition of polygamy through the back door.

    You’ve just undermined your own argument, Fisky, except it’s not the backdoor so much as the same door; and that is the same door that gmarriage entered into the marriage pavilion. And this talk of constituencies is a distraction, the liberal elite will utter the same words that you have, they will say,

    I’m not especially fussed about poly[gamy] as of and in itself,

    because the arguments they would have employed in support of gmarriage and polyamory will undermine any attempt to quarantine polygamy, and then they will move along.

  131. JC

    Dot

    My understanding is that their breakeven is in the 40s and they have trouble servicing their debt pile here.

    Iron ore is going lower. There’s too much supply and by the way, the thing that really fucks them is that they continue to produce even below the marginal cost of production in order to gain cash flow…. or meager cash flow.

    I think he’s gone. His senior execs certainly are.

  132. C.L.

    The important thing we must always come back to is that Dot supports the state using its police powers to abolish an institution on the say-so of leftists and 1 percent of the population.

    No number of Mark Bahnisch’s delicious gluten-free sausages and no helping of Kim’s to-die-for potato salad is worth that sort of abject surrender to statism and big government.

    An absolute disgrace.

  133. JC

    As always, I still think they’re too expensive. I’m looking for a $1 share that pays $2 dividends half yearly and 400% capital appreciation by next week.

    You won’t get the divs, but you’ll certainly get the appreciation. Go to biotech, young man and get seriously rich that way. 5% of the earth’s crust is iron ore. There’s plenty of that shit around. However a cure for Parkinson’s is pretty rare and will be immensely profitable…. if you know what I mean.

    If you really love the earth, go farming as it offers great prospects.

  134. Oh come on

    I like the idea of “gay” marriage. My wife and myself, her husband, are happily married. I would like to come out of the closet. We are a gay couple. Please don’t force your outdated definitions of “gay” onto our love.

  135. JC

    Note that I’m coming at this with the assumption that if you’re a successful businessman with unimpugned business operations and 4 Corners is still going at you, you’re probably doing something right.

    Who cares what the fuck a couple of communists on a state run program designed to push communist propaganda think about anything.

  136. Cold-Hands

    No supporter of phony gay “marriage” can logically oppose polygamy.

    Be interesting if Cory Bernardi asks Penny Wong to justify her views on Polyamory in their upcoming debate.

  137. Sure they can. On the harm principle and utilitarian grounds it’s very easy to support one and oppose the other.

    Nope, neither are strictly, logical or principled objections. And utilitarian grounds can’t trump what are putatively fundamental rights.

  138. Fisky

    Total nonsense.
    Gay “marriage” will harm more children than any other form of cohabitation.
    I’m not sure what the utilitarian raison d’être of gay “marriage” might be.

    Gay marriage will have virtually zero effect on gay family formation. I would be surprised if there is any marginal increase in numbers. Gay people can and do already form families. The only thing that getting married changes for them is more security over family property, superannuation, and the ability to write pre-nups. So that’s a positive, but a very small one because the numbers involved are tiny (for genetic reasons).

    It’s difficult to see how getting married will make gay people WORSE parents than they already are, so there’s no utilitarian reason to oppose it.

  139. Fisky

    Total nonsense.
    Gay “marriage” will harm more children than any other form of cohabitation.
    I’m not sure what the utilitarian raison d’être of gay “marriage” might be.

    Gay marriage will have virtually zero effect on gay family formation. I would be surprised if there is any marginal increase in numbers. Gay people can and do already form families. The only thing that getting married changes for them is more security over family property, superannuation, and the ability to write pre-nups. So that’s a positive, but a very small one because the numbers involved are tiny (for genetic reasons).

    It’s difficult to see how getting married will make gay people WORSE parents than they already are, so there’s no utilitarian reason to oppose.

  140. .

    C.L.
    #1749359, posted on July 28, 2015 at 12:39 am
    The important thing we must always come back to is that Dot supports the state using its police powers to abolish an institution on the say-so of leftists and 1 percent of the population.

    No number of Mark Bahnisch’s delicious gluten-free sausages and no helping of Kim’s to-die-for potato salad is worth that sort of abject surrender to statism and big government.

    An absolute disgrace.

    Hmm yes I would like an Act of Parliament abolishing the Marriage Act.

    Yet Dover Beach would refuse to have state control of such an institution ended.

    You’re conflicted Lad.

  141. Fisky

    Total nonsense.
    Gay “marriage” will harm more children than any other form of cohabitation.
    I’m not sure what the utilitarian raison d’être of gay “marriage” might be.

    Gay marriage will have virtually zero effect on gay family formation. I would be surprised if there is any marginal increase in numbers. Gay people can and do already form families. The only thing that getting married changes for them is more security over family property, superannuation, and the ability to write pre-nups. So that’s a positive, but a very small one because the numbers involved are tiny (for genetic reasons).

    It’s difficult to see how getting married will make gay people WORSE parents than they already are, so there’s no utilitarian reason to oppose SSM.

  142. JC

    The figures come on the same week the iron ore price fell to fresh five-year lows of $US62.70 a tonne, leading to a sell-off of FMG shares.

    That price was around a couple of weeks ago… an eternity. It’s around 50 bucks a ton today I think.

  143. .

    If you really love the earth, go farming as it offers great prospects.

    I’m already in the process of starting a side business with regards to this.

  144. You don’t see?

    I just showed you how it can be done:

    1. Pre nuptial agreements.
    2. A woman leaving a polygamous marriage will have to compete with her sister wives who remain married to their husband.

    No, she will be apportioned some of the assets and income under some formula and permitted to leave. It is just wishful thinking to believe that courts will protect the remaining ‘marriage’ against the interests of the departing individual. This goes against the raison d’etre of the regime of no-fault divorce.

    Please, please, stop pretending that you can triangulate the Left on this issue. You will not only utterly fail but aid them into the bargain.

  145. Fisky

    You’ve just undermined your own argument, Fisky, except it’s not the backdoor so much as the same door; and that is the same door that gmarriage entered into the marriage pavilion. And this talk of constituencies is a distraction

    Actually, philosophy is the real distraction. And most of the time you realise that yourself, when you’re banging your head up against a wall of public opposition to your positions (banning abortion after fertilisation, re-banning SSM) and gaining no traction. It can’t be said too often that constituencies are EVERYTHING. Especially elite liberal white women. Whatever they want, they get. And what they don’t want, usually ends up getting banned.

  146. Fisky

    Unbelievable. What a useless comments section. Every single comment eaten.

  147. Cold-Hands

    How much did Fairfax Media have to pay Warren Mundine to settle his defamation case? Has Fairfax had any wins in their courtroom adventures?

  148. C.L.

    Every single comment eaten.

    Christine Nixon is moderating tonight.

  149. Fisky

    You’ve just undermined your own argument, Fisky, except it’s not the backdoor so much as the same door; and that is the same door that gmarriage entered into the marriage pavilion. And this talk of constituencies is a distraction

    EVERYTHING important is decided by constituencies. Interestingly, you recognise that yourself whenever you’re banging your head up against the wall asking “Why, WHY don’t people want to ban abortion immediately after contraception? It doesn’t make sense!” or trying to figure out why no one is listening to “reason” on gay marriage. This is because most people don’t give a shit about logic. All they care about is their own interests and the interests of the people around them.

    So upper-middle class liberals know and like gay people. Therefore, gay people should be married. That’s the full extent of their reasoning, leaving aside a few journalists and commentators.

  150. Hmm yes I would like an Act of Parliament abolishing the Marriage Act.

    Yet Dover Beach would refuse to have state control of such an institution ended.

    dot, your figleaf about “abolishing the Marriage Act” isn’t fooling anyone while you’re in here promoting gmarriage. You cannot at once promote the former while defending the latter; that is defend the state redefining marriage, the clearest example of state control there is, with the claim that you really, really, want the state ignoring marriage.

    And no, I have never supported “state control” of marriage. I do, however, see no problem with the state simply recognizing marriage. Again, I can see why you want to conflate the two positions.

  151. Old School Conservative

    A Muslim extremist preaches at Epping Boys High School. Additionally, counter-terrorism police begin a formal investigation into allegations a 17-year-old student was preaching Islamic State ideology in the same playground. So Premier Mike Baird launches a state-wide audit of prayer groups of ALL religions.
    Let’s not upset the religion of peace!

  152. JC

    Boswell is a fat imbecile. He can’t make a reasonable case for his own side.

    Catholic Archbishop of Brisbane Mark Coleridge said there was an issue of credibility, but a much larger issue of “moral failure” on both sides of politics amounting to an “international disgrace”.

    “It puzzles me that systematically cruel policies are devised and implemented by men and women in politics who are not themselves cruel,” he said.

    He then went on to compare the situation to that in Italy – this was quickly rejected by Mr Boswell.

    “You certainly wouldn’t want Australia to become like Italy which is taking every immigrant that can get on a boat,” Mr Boswell said.

    Mr Bishop agreed. “I’m not arguing that we should be like Italy, but all I’m saying is the numbers coming here are minuscule by comparison with elsewhere,” he said.

    The least Australia could do was “process them onshore” and “get the children out of detention”, he said, as the audience again burst with applause.

    Fatty should have told the leftwing Bishop doing the Father Bob routine that Italy is not taking in these refs. Italy is acting like Indonesia and fucking over the rest of the EU. They are in fact transiting through Italy to get to northern Europe.

  153. JC

    Mr Boswell said that Australia “can’t open the door to everyone” and suggested the nation took “more refugees than, I think, any other country”.

    The ex-senator was promptly corrected that this was not in fact the case, but maintained his stance, reasoning that Australia was “very generous”.

    The fat idiot. Australia has perhaps the highest intake per capita of refs, not in terms of outright numbers. He fucked everything up.

  154. Oh come on

    Who cares what the fuck a couple of communists on a state run program designed to push communist propaganda think about anything.

    Well, yes. All I saw was an ABC journo, through gritted teeth, conceding Twiggy had racked up some impressive achievements. I saw their hand picked hostile Twiggy biographer conceding the same, through similarly gritted teeth. I saw the journo, in their desperation, travel to Bangkok to interview some far-left, swivel-eyed loon because she’d provide the anti-Twiggy narrative they wanted to present. Considering the above, I drew my own conclusions.

  155. JC

    OCO

    My point is that there’s nothing you could have expected from that communist program to be any different. You’d expect them to criticize twiggy and you would expect them to go to the ends of the earth to find another fellow communist to criticize Twiggy.

  156. Cold-Hands

    The fat idiot. Australia has perhaps the highest intake per capita of refs, not in terms of outright numbers. He fucked everything up.

    Where we are world leaders is in the resettlement of refs relative to our population, where we are second or thereabouts. Intake of refugees include the countries that take and warehouse refugees without giving them residency, like Pakistan and Jordan.

  157. JC

    Hands

    But we had Fatty Boswell on the program offering up all sorts of wisdom.

    I’m really fucking tired of seeing second rate wimps speaking up for the right. If you’re not up it in terms of camera smarts then fuck off.

  158. Oh come on

    My point is that there’s nothing you could have expected from that communist program to be any different. You’d expect them to criticize twiggy and you would expect them to go to the ends of the earth to find another fellow communist to criticize Twiggy

    My point is that even his most uncharitable critics couldn’t spin his achievements into something negative, no matter how hard they tried. That’s instructive, in my opinion. And I’m coming at this as a Twiggy agnostic, incidentally.

  159. C.L.

    So Premier Mike Baird launches a state-wide audit of prayer groups of ALL religions.

    Make sure you pay special attention to all Year 12 rosary groups, Mikey.
    Baird really is a loathsome coward.

  160. JC

    It’s not Gerbil warming by the way.

    Imagine that there is a new scientific theory that warns of an impending crisis, and points to a way out.

    This theory quickly draws support from leading scientists, politicians and celebrities around the world. Research is funded by distinguished philanthropies, and carried out at prestigious universities. The crisis is reported frequently in the media. The science is taught in college and high school classrooms.

    I don’t mean global warming. I’m talking about another theory, which rose to prominence a century ago.

    Its supporters included Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and Winston Churchill. It was approved by Supreme Court justices Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis, who ruled in its favor. The famous names who supported it included Alexander Graham Bell, inventor of the telephone; activist Margaret Sanger; botanist Luther Burbank; Leland Stanford, founder of Stanford University; the novelist H. G. Wells; the playwright George Bernard Shaw; and hundreds of others. Nobel Prize winners gave support. Research was backed by the Carnegie and Rockefeller Foundations. The Cold Springs Harbor Institute was built to carry out this research, but important work was also done at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and Johns Hopkins. Legislation to address the crisis was passed in states from New York to California.

    These efforts had the support of the National Academy of Sciences, the American Medical Association, and the National Research Council. It was said that if Jesus were alive, he would have supported this effort.

    All in all, the research, legislation and molding of public opinion surrounding the theory went on for almost half a century. Those who opposed the theory were shouted down and called reactionary, blind to reality, or just plain ignorant. But in hindsight, what is surprising is that so few people objected.

    Today, we know that this famous theory that gained so much support was actually pseudoscience. The crisis it claimed was nonexistent. And the actions taken in the name of theory were morally and criminally wrong. Ultimately, they led to the deaths of millions of people.

    The theory was eugenics, and its history is so dreadful — and, to those who were caught up in it, so embarrassing — that it is now rarely discussed. But it is a story that should be well know to every citizen, so that its horrors are not repeated.

    http://www.michaelcrichton.com/why-politicized-science-is-dangerous/

  161. Oh come on

    5 years down the track his empire might well be a smouldering pile of ash. You might be totally right, and you’ll be able to point at the market fundamentals to credibly justify your prediction. His detractors tonight would sneer their I-told-you-sos, but they would be right in the broken clock sense. Their indirect armchair psychoanalyst observations are worthless.

  162. C.L.

    Catholic Archbishop of Brisbane Mark Coleridge said there was an issue of credibility, but a much larger issue of “moral failure” on both sides of politics amounting to an “international disgrace”.

    This is a lie.
    There is no moral failure and there is no international disgrace.
    A total lie.

  163. srr

    Bolt –

    A lecture from the CFMEU on abusing women?

    Good on Cut & Paste for outing the sanctimonious hypocrites:

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/a_lecture_from_the_cfmeu_on_abusing_women/

  164. Gab

    No supporter of phony gay “marriage” can logically oppose polygamy.

    True because “marriage equality”!!11!!

  165. srr

    Stop smoking, court tells parents
    Court orders parents to stop smoking

    TESSA AKERMAN
    A ruling by Family Court judge Jenny Hogan has raised questions about the role of the courts in households.

    paywalled at The Oz.

  166. dweezy2176

    “So Premier Mike Baird launches a state-wide audit of prayer groups of ALL religions”.

    He isn’t nicknamed, “Rama” for nuttin’ …… Lakemba speaks and Baird obeys ….
    The “religion of pieces” will be exonerated but the Presbyterians………… Dooooooh!

  167. calli

    I have a radical theory about Adam Goodes and the booing. Could it be because he’s wearing a Swans jersey and the booers are there to watch the other team win?

    It’s a bit far fetched, but there we are.

  168. calli

    Lord Sewell should change his name to Hermione and then the press will champion his “bravery”.

  169. dweezy2176

    “Greste planned hunger strike on the last day of imprisonment”.

    Which means he’s actually, stupider than he appeared on TV! …….. a hunger strike in a Gypo gaol!
    That would have really had the prison hierarchy in a tizz …..
    I think the bloke’s been watching too many “24” breakfast show episodes!

  170. Makka

    ALPBC on Goodes;

    “The AFL Players Association and our members are extremely disappointed with the ongoing and unjustified treatment directed towards Adam Goodes,” the association said in a statement.

    “Adam is a champion of our game, but above and beyond that he is a champion human being and the ongoing vilification directed towards him is taking its toll.

    “The AFL industry prides itself on its inclusivity and diversity for both players and fans.

    “As such we call on all AFL fans to show Adam the respect he has earned from his contribution on and off the field.”

    The next likely flashpoint is when Geelong hosts Sydney on August 8.

    “I would say there’s definitely a racist element to it,” Buckley told Fox Footy.

    “I wouldn’t say it necessarily started that way, but I definitely see that.

    Adam is a champion of our game, but above and beyond that he is a champion human being and the ongoing vilification directed towards him is taking its toll.

    I reckon we are at a position in the game and in society that if you booed him the next time at Simonds Stadium in a couple of weeks, I reckon you get a clip across the ear from a few people.

    “And I’d like to see that.”

    Buckley later clarified his comment, saying he meant “howled down” rather than “a clip across the ear”.

    Boo the bloody big sook. Boo loud and often. Because ,Buckley, Goodes is a big sook who uses his race (such as it is ) to monster young girls and can’t handle it when he is given it back in his face. Just as he shoves his race in our face. Jetta should just stay out of it, it’s not his beef unless he makes it so.

  171. Spider

    Hate preachers at Epping High. More reason if any were needed that organised religion should not be proselytizing in state schools.

  172. Spider

    Thanks Christopher Pyne. The ABC now has this weeks talking point with very helpful graphs showing Labor versus Liberal representation.

    Maybe it was a setup but what an own goal. Well done.

  173. Bruce of Newcastle

    In the UK Telegraph today Snorting Lord Sewel gets a run (and a Matt cartoon):

    Lord Sewel’s Dolphin Square home raided by police: swoop follows cocaine and prostitutes footage
    Think Lord Sewel is bad? The seven deadliest sinners of the House of Lords
    Former chancellor Ken Clarke: Groping claim is preposterous
    Porn sites accessed 20k times a month on parliament computers

    Great to see pollies working themselves so hard.

    ***
    Speaking of pollies, the Corbyn coronation continues:

    Mary Beard joins Jeremy Corbyn’s celebrity backers
    If loony Left take over, survivors might merge with Lib Dems
    The only way Labour can win the next election is to elect Corbyn now

    That’s some nice trolling by Dan Hodges in the last one.

    ***
    China faceplanted overnight:
    Chinese stocks suffer biggest one-day drop in eight years
    Why have Chinese stocks plunged again?
    China losing control as stocks crash despite emergency measures
    China confident of steadying turbulent stock market, says vice finance minister
    UK investors see 2015 gains wiped out as markets fall

    Time for the banana guy to go back to his bananas.

    ***
    More stories:

    Iran’s hardliners tell US: you got a really good nuclear deal
    Low mileage, only one owner, and with go-faster stripes!

    Barack Obama threatens economic sanctions if South Sudan civil war deal not reached
    If you guys don’t stop it I’ll be forced to give you $100 billion.

    North Korea marks Korean War anniversary with threat to ‘leave no Americans alive’
    Well it worked for the Iranians.

    Australia ‘should cut ludicrous ties to the Queen within five years’
    The bandanna keeps his head from swelling too obviously.

    New plant species ‘discovered on Facebook’
    Oops, it shouldn’t’ve posted that selfie.

  174. srr

    Yeah, as I made clear, my post that mentioned Goodes, wasn’t doing to death what even has it’s own thread, by was about the persecution of Christians even making it’s way into AFL Football.

    At least the Guardian is acknowledging the seriousness –

    Dying for Christianity: millions at risk amid rise in persecution across the globe
    Increase in murder, as well as rape, torture and discrimination, has led the pope to warn of a ‘form of genocide’

    Christians are facing growing persecution around the world, fuelled mainly by Islamic extremism and repressive governments, leading the pope to warn of “a form of genocide” and for campaigners to speak of “religio-ethnic cleansing”.

    Christians under pressure: from bigotry at school to imprisonment and murder
    Read more

    The scale of attacks on Christians in the Middle East, sub-Saharan Africa, Asia and Latin America has alarmed organisations that monitor religious persecution, with most reporting a significant deterioration in recent years.

    On his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Francis said he was dismayed “to see how in the Middle East and elsewhere in the world many of our brothers and sisters are persecuted, tortured and killed for their faith in Jesus”. He went on: “In this third world war, waged piecemeal, which we are now experiencing, a form of genocide is taking place, and it must end.”

    At Easter, the archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, the leader of the Anglican church, spoke of Christian “martyrs”. Christians were living under persecution in almost half of the 38 Anglican provinces worldwide, he said this month. “They fear for their lives every day.”

    Where in the world is the worst place to be a Christian?
    Read more

    The Prince of Wales has described threats to Christians in the Middle East as “an indescribable tragedy”.

    RTWT
    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/27/dying-for-christianity-millions-at-risk-amid-rise-in-persecution-across-the-globe

  175. srr

    To help better understand why Obama is flooding America with Mexicans – NO it’s not about the Dems importing voters. Voters don’t matter when you’re as corrupt as the Dems. It’s about escalating the war against Christians –

    And there are some unexpected pockets of persecution. In 2014, five Catholic priests were killed in Mexico, prompting the Vatican to say it was the most dangerous country in Latin America for its followers. Powerful criminal groups see the church as a target for extortion and money laundering, and view some priests as standing in the way of their own influence. Attacks on priests in Mexico increased by 80% between 2012 and 2014, local organisations reported.

  176. Tel

    http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/07/17/423895962/episode-639-where-to-hide-50-000-and-other-stories-from-greece

    This is pretty good. If you are interested in Greece… which is basically what’s going to happen in Australia.

  177. Tel

    The fat idiot. Australia has perhaps the highest intake per capita of refs, not in terms of outright numbers. He fucked everything up.

    There’s a link here showing we aren’t that high on the list either in absolute or per-capita terms. However, look closely at who we are being compared with.

    http://www.factsfightback.org.au/does-australia-take-the-most-refugees-check-the-facts/

    So high up on the list is the Syrian Arab Republic, which is the good old Al-Assad family… They had plenty of Palestinian refugees living in Yamouk (part of Damascus) until a bit of a wink and a nod deal allowed ISIS troops in there to start chopping heads. Sure Syria takes more refugees than we do, but does it really compare?

    Also high on the list is Germany, a very strong economy, not crippled by unions and union-friendly industrial policy, and not subject to uncertain resource price ups and downs. By all means, Australia could be more like Germany, first step would be allow business to grow and respect property rights.

    Look at some of the others… I think it makes a lot of sense that Shiites running away from ISIS head choppers might run to Iran which at least has a stable and organized government, and a culture they are familiar with, and is right next door. They might even be intending to return someday.

  178. Gab

    Lol “facts” from the Australia Institute.

  179. Tel

    Also Turkey took a lot of Christian refugees, but the conditions they resettled into were very basic camps. I think that’s fair enough under the circumstances, but most of the refugees coming into Australia get:
    * Subsidized housing, to a high quality standard
    * Generous pension to support them
    * Bunch of government workers helping them out
    * Ultimately full Australian citizenship

    That’s all pretty expensive on the taxpayer. We aren’t able to run the same type of temporary camps in Australia because the refugee advocates wouldn’t stand for it. We once did have camps like that, after World War II, my father was in one, but this sort of thing won’t happen ever again in Australia.

    In modern Australia it is politically unacceptable to ever give the slightest suggestion that someone might live other than a mainstream middle class lifestyle.

  180. srr

    You can’t read what the boastfully secular MSM write about the persecution of Christians, without seeing that their intended ultimate message is that Christianity has ‘lost‘ and is on the brink of death.
    But of course, like their spiritual father, the liars love to lie.


    Trapped in cramped cells without company or books, Xu says he whiled away the hours composing religious texts in his head and praying. “Please give me the strength to hang on,” he would say. “Please let the policemen confess their crimes and repent their sins.”

    Xu became a Christian in February 1989 after chancing upon one of Beijing’s then few churches. Months later he watched as troops killed hundreds of student protesters during the 4 June Tiananmen massacre.

    It was a watershed moment for the church, he says. Repulsed by the Communist party’s brutality, many of his peers joined him in embracing Christianity.

    “It’s like you finally realise that your old lover is evil and vicious, and then you meet a nice and kind new girl. How can you not love her?”

    Despite a period of severe repression in the 1990s, Christianity has blossomed in China.

    There were only about a million Christians in China when the communists took power in 1949. Today, the country’s state-controlled Protestant and Catholic churches claim at least 23 million members, according to conservative official statistics.

  181. Tel

    So Premier Mike Baird launches a state-wide audit of prayer groups of ALL religions

    If only our liberal democratic society had something to offer that was more attractive than radicalism. We could offer, oh I dunno, freedom or something, instead of what we do offer now which is a life spent wading knee deep in bureaucracy and political correct bullshit.

  182. feelthebern

    Every single comment eaten.

    Christine Nixon is moderating tonight.

    Best comment from the overnight thread.

  183. .

    And no, I have never supported “state control” of marriage. I do, however, see no problem with the state simply recognizing marriage. Again, I can see why you want to conflate the two positions.

    Wrong. You oppose abolition of the act. Or removing it as a head of power. And you’ve dodged Fisk on social issues.

  184. .

    …and you’re accusing me of being dishonest.

    I support the LDP’s SSM policy in lieu of abolition. Just because you don’t like my reasoning doesn’t mean that isn’t what I genuinely believe in.

  185. .

    So Premier Mike Baird launches a state-wide audit of prayer groups of ALL religions

    I see how investigating a Novena group praying against euthanasia is going to stop Islamic terrorism.

    Well done Mike, along with the GST increase, the ALP will never have to win an election again.

  186. Roger

    You can’t read what the boastfully secular MSM write about the persecution of Christians, without seeing that their intended ultimate message is that Christianity has ‘lost‘ and is on the brink of death.

    Indeed, srr, the Western MSM’s secular bias is skewing its reportage of one of the most significant trends of our time. Far from being on the brink of death, Christianity has experienced more numerical growth in the last 100 years than it did in the previous 1900 years put together. China is but the latest country to witness this phenomenal growth, which has the potential to change the country profoundly. Believers will see divine providence in this occurring just as China emerges into what is predicted to be “the Chinese century”.

  187. Nic

    Ironically, when sexual assault occurred in Catholic administered institutions, there wasn’t a call to investigate ALL faiths (all but one perhaps).

  188. Nic

    FMD, a football fan evicted from the ground after a women sends a text to a ‘tip off line’ for saying ‘get back to the zoo’.

  189. .

    I can’t really see what Lord Sewel really did wrong (apart from using a 5 pound note, note a 100 pound note and having 200 pound hookers, not 2000 ppound a night hookers).*

    What about the behaviour of the person who illegally obtained the recording?

    The other MPs are pissed because is just cutting loose and slagging them off. His privacy was invaded. What about the English principle “a man’s home is his castle”!?

    *Trust me. If he was a rockstar and did so, he’d be slyly praised and there are evolutionary psychology and economics reasons why.

  190. Wrong. You oppose abolition of the act. Or removing it as a head of power. And you’ve dodged Fisk on social issues.

    Not at all. The Act adopted the millennia-old settled definition of marriage. It is not ‘state control’ to do such a thing. As for removing the head of power, that simply limits marriage to the federal government. Removing it would open it up to the States.

    As for dodging Fisky on ‘social issues’, I haven’t at all.

    I support the LDP’s SSM policy in lieu of abolition.

    Which is an absurd position. It proposes that the state should not recognize marriage, but short of achieving this, it proposes, through its gmarriage policy, that the next best position is to employ the apparatus of the state to redefine it! Now that is chutzpah.

  191. .

    I disagree, DB. That’s as far as we’re going to get.

  192. Leigh Lowe

    FMD, a football fan evicted from the ground after a women sends a text to a ‘tip off line’ for saying ‘get back to the zoo’.

    This could get interesting.
    What if the next evictee films the goons on a mobile and insists they explain why they are being chucked out?
    Is it sufficient to simply say “we got a complaint via SMS”?

  193. .

    The truth hurts:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3175569/At-s-got-support-Lord-Sewel-pictured-wearing-orange-bra-latest-revelations-peer-attacking-David-Cameron-leading-politicians.html

    Verdicts: Sewel said David Cameron is ‘the most facile, superficial Prime Minister there’s ever been’ and Boris Johnson is ‘a joke’ and a ‘public school upper class twit’

    Critical: Sewel then went on to call former First Minister Alex Salmond as a ‘silly, pompous prat’

    Damning: Sewel, who helped Tony Blair with Scotland’s devolution, said the candidates for the Labour leadership election ‘an absolutely hopeless set of choices’

    Lord Sewel told prostitutes that there was a ‘real problem’ with MPs sleeping with ‘boys’.
    One of the sex workers is heard asking whether he is the only politicians meeting with sex workers in his spare time.
    He said: ‘I think there’s all sorts of things going on. Not in a great way — not with women. I think the real problem is with you know, erm, boys’.

    He shouldn’t have hurt his wife. But that is a private mater.

  194. .

    What if the next evictee films the goons on a mobile and insists they explain why they are being chucked out?
    Is it sufficient to simply say “we got a complaint via SMS”?

    Block wardens and serenity now!

  195. Rabz

    Verdicts: Sewel said David Cameron is ‘the most facile, superficial Prime Minister there’s ever been’ and Boris Johnson is ‘a joke’ and a ‘public school upper class twit’

    Critical: Sewel then went on to call former First Minister Alex Salmond as a ‘silly, pompous prat’

    Well, he has a gift for stating for stating the bleeding obvious, I’ll grant him that.

  196. Rabz

    FMD, a football fan evicted from the ground after a women sends a text to a ‘tip off line’ for saying ‘get back to the zoo’.

    Sickening. Reminiscent of the Stasi and its network of snitches.

    Was this at an ALPFL match?

  197. goatjam

    Christianity has ‘lost‘ and is on the brink of death.

    It is an arguable hypothesis, at least where western nations are concerned. The Uniting Church and others are unrecognisable as Christian institutions and the current Catholic Pope is doing his best to catch up with the rest.

    When churches become organisations that are more interested in teaching feminism and socialism then good men turn elsewhere.

  198. C.L.

    “I reckon we are at a position in the game and in society that if you booed him the next time at Simonds Stadium in a couple of weeks, I reckon you get a clip across the ear from a few people.”

    So the players’ association is calling for more children to be assaulted at the football.

    They also want women boo-ers to be bashed at the football.

    Is that right?

  199. srr

    the Western MSM’s secular bias is skewing its reportage of one of the most significant trends of our time. Far from being on the brink of death, Christianity has experienced more numerical growth in the last 100 years than it did in the previous 1900 years put together. China is but the latest country to witness this phenomenal growth, which has the potential to change the country profoundly. Believers will see divine providence in this occurring just as China emerges into what is predicted to be “the Chinese century”.

    I also can’t help but notice that the (now boastfully ‘secular’), West, has been happily doing business with Communist China for a long time, and happily crediting doing business with China for things like the development of Africa and even saving Australia from the GFC, but just as Christianity is being widely noticed by the West to be blossoming in China, The West’s propaganda machine has started preaching, fear & loathing of, and even possibility of war with, China.

    Even more than Christians, Communists hate with a purple passion, EX-Communists who turn or return to Christianity.

  200. Rabz

    Message for Mr Rusty – apologies for the delay, but I finally purchased a pair of “Shut Down the ABC” t-shirts.

    It hasn’t exactly been t-shirt weather down here of late.

  201. Ellen of Tasmania

    This is because most people don’t give a shit about logic. All they care about is their own interests and the interests of the people around them.

    I think your summary of current thinking is pretty accurate, Fisky. Most people don’t care if they are illogical or irrational.

    They do care about cool-shaming and peer group pressure. They care about being seen to be ‘on the right side of history’ – even if it’s the wrong side. They care about looking caring – even if such caring has dire consequences. They care about their current comfort and security; they care about not having to go against the flow; they care about caring with the least possible disruption to their daily lives.

    In such a foaming, fuzzy fog of feeling, it’s hard to see clearly.

  202. Baldrick

    The slippery slope just got slimey:

    Boy Scouts end ban on openly gay leaders
    Boy Scouts of America (BSA) on Monday voted 45-12 to formally end its longstanding blanket ban on openly gay adult leaders.
    The move comes two years after the 105-year-old youth organization approved a policy welcoming gay kids – though still excluding gay adults – and just one month after the nation’s highest court handed down a landmark ruling that found same-sex couples have a constitutional right to wed.

  203. H B Bear

    Angus Taylor gives Mike Baird a good whack about raising taxes in The Oz.

    The Liberals love talking about not raising taxes.

  204. Roger

    It is an arguable hypothesis, at least where western nations are concerned.

    Where Western culture is concerned, I’m afraid, it’s no longer a hypothesis but a reality, apart from a few significant pockets holding out against the drift into neo-paganism (interestingly, France still reports 15% regular church attendance, which is about twice the rate in Australia). But throughout history the faith has always waned in one region while waxing in another, and it has always had to contend with heretics and apostates in the course of that process. The interesting thing today is how globalisation might change that geographical and cultural pattern. For example, in our great cities – and even in regional centres – it is possible to find thriving congregations filled with with Asian or African or South American immigrants/temporary workers. Some of this Christianity may, I grant, be “a mile wide and an inch deep”, but it is evidence of life, not death.

  205. Tom

    What really happened at The Alamo. Simon Benson:

    Any victories Shorten can claim to have achieved over the weekend — such as narrowly fending off a binding gay marriage bill and securing boat turn backs on asylum seekers — were pyrrhic victories at best.
    His senior left-wing shadow ministers have sent a clear message to him: “We have the numbers, and you know it.”
    Shorten now leads a party furiously divided over key election issues, and one that has shown a willingness to abandon longevity and substance for short-term expediency.
    Not since former NSW premier Morris Iemma was rolled at a state conference on power privatisation, and perhaps Calwell and Whitlam in the 1960s on US foreign policy, has an ALP conference been so hostile to a leader.
    But it shouldn’t surprise. The structural problems that began in NSW in 2007 have manifested in the Left ¬finally flexing its new-found muscle at a national ALP conference.
    Shorten may have secured the numbers to allow him the luxury of adopting turnbacks, but it came with a very expensive price tag.
    His own faction was rolled on the Israel/Palestine issue, he lost the numbers for a conscience vote on gay marriage, and he has been forced to adopt a renewable energy target that would elevate Australians’ electricity bills to among the highest in the world.
    To top it off, the conference voted to censure Martin Ferguson, one of the party’s last remaining voices of sanity.
    The optics for Shorten are now clear. The Left is in control of the Labor Party, and if he doesn’t dance to the beat of their drum, he is gone.
    It doesn’t get much uglier than this.

  206. Fisky

    Now this is interesting –

    Seven News reported Monday that Mr Abbott was canvassing as a delaying tactic holding a plebiscite after the next election. His office could not confirm or deny this. The Australian Christian Lobby belives a plebiscite poses the best chance of killing of gay marriage.

    Also interesting –

    Peter Brent [email protected] 16h16 hours ago
    Peter Brent retweeted Mark Riley
    Mark Riley @Riley7News
    EXCLUSIVE: Tony Abbott sounds out senior colleagues on option of a plebiscite on same sex marriage after the next election. #7News

    Helen Dale [email protected]_HelenDale 16h16 hours ago
    @mumbletwits @Riley7News I seriously hope this isn’t true.

    So the LDP’s position is to oppose SSM being put to the voters??? They would prefer a stitch-up between Tanya Plibersek and Malcolm Turnbull.

  207. Infidel Tiger

    It’s been a few months but I’m just tuning into Bold & The Beautiful.

    Wow the story lines are even slower than I remember. Rick Forester has only just found out that his black girlfriend was actually born a man.

    This transsexual stuff is so hot right now. The only reason I turned it on was because I almost threw up watching Kanye West talking about how brave Bruce Jenner was on the Today Show. That’s too much tranny for this time of day.

  208. Andrew

    The Liberals love talking about not raising taxes.

    To be fair, he actually did talk about lower taxes, lower spending and shifting responsibility onto the private sector.

  209. H B Bear

    Brave handbag-whirring warriors kd wrong and Plibbers get a bit of a touch up in Teh Australian letters page for hiding behind proxies rather than sully themselves voting against Peanut Head’s attempts to try and salvage something from the ALP boat wreck.

  210. Infidel Tiger

    Way to go Tone.

    Melbourne man arrested for trying to join Kurdish forces to fight against ISIS. See, they can stop “extremists” at the airport.

    What a country.

  211. H B Bear

    Andrew – it’s the talking.

  212. srr

    Redefining Virtue in the Bizarro World Order
    Jack Cashill

    The world has been spinning in Bizarro’s direction from about the time he was introduced. Since the election of Barack Obama in 2008, that spin has been dizzying.

    More
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/redefining_virtue_in_the_bizarro_world_order.html

  213. Ellen of Tasmania

    I disagree, DB. That’s as far as we’re going to get.

    Dot, I listen to and read a lot of libertarian material so I understand your position perhaps better than some do here. But I don’t believe the current LDP policy re: ssmirage is libertarian at all and I really am honestly surprised that you are okay to go along with it.

    The libertarians I listen to emphasise the principle of non-aggression as their underlying position and given the current political climate you know that the ssmirage advocates are going to use the power of the state – aggression – to force others to endorse and celebrate their position. I can’t see how that can be a step towards freedom. I don’t understand the LDP taking this position, but even less do I understand you doing so.

  214. srr

    Statue of Satan Revealed… in Detroit
    The Devil finally gets his due

    7.27.2015

    Of all the things Detroit, Michigan can boast about, it can now brag about being the city that hosted the unveiling of an 8-foot-tall bronze statue of a 14th-century pagan figure known as Baphomet, in what was billed as the “largest public satanic ceremony in history.”

    This is the same statue that has been in the works over the last year and the one that was originally lobbied to to be erected next to the Ten Commandments monument at the Oklahoma State Capitol, in the name of religious equality. It features Satan flanked by two children gazing up toward his bearded goat head. There is even space on his lap intended for children to sit with Lucifer for the purposes of “inspiration and contemplation.”

    The New York City chapter of the Satanic Temple is responsible for the design of the statue and raised the money through a crowdfunding campaign. They were said to have chosen Detroit as host because the city’s chapter of the Temple has a “strong congregation” of about 200 members, according to CBS Detroit.

    “The Unveiling” happened Saturday night, just before midnight. The location was withheld from ticket holders until just prior to the event. An e-mail went out to the nearly 700 attendees, directing them to an industrial warehouse building near the Detroit River to catch a first-glimpse of the 1-ton statue. The guests were treated to “a night of chaos, noise, and debauchery.” Those that paid $75 were allowed to climb atop the statue for a photo.

    The Temple’s Facebook page shared pictures from the event. Here is a sampling:

    http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/statue-satan-revealed-detroit

    There is politics also at play with the unveiling of this statue. According to the Satanic Temple, it represents “a call-to-arms from which we’ll kick off our largest fight to date in the name of individual rights …

    And now that the Oklahoma Supreme Court voted for the removal of the privately-funded monument of the Ten Commandments on statehouse grounds, the New York Satanic Temple, along with its statue, is turning its attention towards the Arkansas Statehouse and its plan on erecting a monument to the Old Testament law. The Satanic Temple will again ban together with the ACLU in an attempt to lobby for this statue to sit next to Arkansas’ Ten Commandments monument if it is ultimately approved.

    Ah but it’s all good for the economy.
    Selling satan, Mohammed and every other evil, employs an awful lot of PR Firms, their armies of social media manipulating experts, low level trolls, celebrity talking heads, et al.

  215. Rabz

    Rick Forester has only just found out that his black girlfriend was actually born a man.

  216. Nelson Kidd-Players

    The Jeep hacking issue has resulted in a recall in the USA.

    Chrysler said it was issuing a voluntary recall to update the software in affected vehicles.

    The company added that hacking its vehicles was a “criminal action”.

    Not sure if it would apply to Australia, although the website indicates the UConnect is available here on some models. No sign of a reacall notice in Australia at this stage, perhaps they’re too busy with the others?

  217. Andreas

    Rick Forester has only just found out that his black girlfriend was actually born a man.

    The IT Crowd has sensitively dealt with this issue before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2KsZHRrFpU

  218. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    So the players’ association is calling for more children to be assaulted at the football.

    They also want women boo-ers to be bashed at the football.

    Is that right?

    Yep. They want to encourage violence in the stands as part of their non-violence momentum.
    Women and children are easy pickings, so go for them first. Their men will rise to protect them.
    Then it will on for young and old.
    A few good old barneys between fans will pep things up a bit.

    Or it can be like the Taliban’s game. Fans can shout ‘God Goodes is Great’ at every goal scored by any side and otherwise they can stfu and be good little submissives for Allah’ for Adam.

  219. Tom

    Fauxfacts petty functionary and gotcha mechanic Mark Kenny:

    Shorten’s argument was as sound as it was courageous. He concluded that stopping deaths at sea by stopping maritime attempts in unseaworthy boats via people smuggling, is the right policy setting.

    The same craven Liars arselicker in 2013:

    Australian voters will eventually wake up to the fact that they were sold a pup.
    If it were merely a case of sending boats back, it would have been tried years ago.

    Kenny is the Comical Ali of Australian “journalism”.

  220. TREASON OF THE CLERISY:

    The turmoil at Our Saviour’s is neatly summarized by an open letter circulating by a prominent layman and philanthropist. It reads in part:

    Father Rutler turned a bankrupt and virtually empty church into a world-famous spiritual center, paid off the mortgage and long-standing debts, virtually rebuilt the infrastructure and exterior walls and roof, installed a magnificent new organ and many other improvements (and left well over 2 million dollars in the bank) and did much of the interior painting, gold leafing and decorating himself (he never takes a vacation) and produced a record number of candidates for the priesthood.

    The author does not mention that the cost of the icons and their installation was met by two major private donations. These were gifts, not a drain on parish funds. The letter continues:

    Father Robbins is on vacation in his villa in the opulent Hamptons. In less than two years, Rutler’s successor, Father Robbins, has dismantled much of the interior of the church, alienated most of the parishioners, and nearly bankrupted the parish, spending vast sums on virtually reconstructing the plain but comfortable rectory (where Father Rutler happily hosted as guest Cardinals and other prelates and distinguished laypeople) – but which Father Robbins told people was a “slum” – so that the rectory is now a luxurious home for Father Robbins and his organist who also resides there.

    Note the excess of two million dollars depleted in less than two years by Fr. Rutler’s successor. That kind of money does not go unnoticed by the chancery. Yet in a meeting with Archbishop Dolan earlier this week, artist Ken Woo was told that this was new news—a totally unexpected revelation—at the chancery. Woo was instructed to say nothing more about the discussion.

  221. Nic

    Rabz, yes. at the Weagles/Swans game.

  222. Nic

    lol, the shorter AFL:

    Domestic violence is abhorrent
    They will get a clip over the ear if they try it at the next game.

  223. Ellen of Tasmania

    Interestingly, the current effort to re-order our society and culture has much in common with the French revolutionaries. The irony lies in the fact that the revolutionaries back then worshipped the enlightenment and the ‘cult of reason’ and here we have the end product of just that thinking and today they are turning their backs on logic and reason. Go figure.

    http://tomwoods.com/podcast/ep-453-the-reign-of-terror-and-the-french-revolution/

  224. .

    That Forrest thing is a hoot.

    “Forrest hates blacks because he doesn’t like shit stirrers, land councils, big men and sit down money, he prefers profit sharing and rewarding individual effort”

  225. goatjam

    Melbourne man arrested for trying to join Kurdish forces to fight against ISIS. See, they can stop “extremists” at the airport.

    That is exactly what DL warned of in his much maligned and misrepresented opposition to Abbotts “foreign terrorist” law.

  226. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Wonderful to see the civilised morning greetings here between two economists no less.
    Said it the other nite, my Sainted Mother told me politeness costs nothing.
    Examplars here on the Cat. 😀

  227. goatjam

    The Jeep hacking issue has resulted in a recall in the USA.

    Serves them right for putting Microsoft software in their cars.

    QNX is a efficient and secure. Chrysler switched from QNX to MS in 2013 because it was cheaper (It had nothing to do with MS providing Chrysler execs with a better class of hookers I’m sure)

  228. Leigh Lowe

    Serves them right for putting Microsoft software in their cars.

    The Windows(tm) keep going down for no reason?

  229. Mike of Marion

    An video example of efficient coal transportation. Powder River Coal from Wyoming being transported up the eastern slope of a Montana mountain range to Mullans Pass. It’s a near 40 KM lift and Montana Rail’s mid train helpers (4 off EMD SD70ACe locomotives) go to “Run 8” to start on approx 2% incline. The engines are cut in and out of these 100 car coal trains going to the West Coast of the USA. You can hear the intense output of the 17000 HP.

    Enjoy Scott Hiddleston’s short video

  230. goatjam

    Jeep are lucky they don’t have a HUD yet. Getting a BSOD on your windscreen would be an exciting event.

  231. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Well, I just have to let you all know about my disappointment with the Series 5 of Downton Abbey.
    Why, the show is just a soap, all froth and bubble. It all comes out in the wash, which is on the Super Quick cycle. Hardly time to catch breath between takes. I put up with it, well, just because I am right in there with them all. But last night we put on the Christmas Special – a visit to the moorlands for some shooting and then a truly repulsive piece of schmaltz for the Chrissie itself.

    You still watchin’ dis rubbish? asks Da Hairy Ape in disbelief as he wanders through, having given it five minutes before he went off to fold his undies (he likes to keep them neat).
    Barely, I reply. I took it to the bitter end, and I’ll even watch the next and final series.
    But the joy has gone out of it for me. I shall amuse myself by re-writing it in my dreams.

    Still enjoying the re-run of the early seasons though, on free-to-air.
    You know where I am still on Wednesday nites. Definitely not here till later. 🙂

  232. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    No, just remembered. It’s on Foxtel, not free to air.
    I know you’d hate to miss it. 🙂

  233. Nelson Kidd-Players

    The Windows(tm) keep going down for no reason?

    If it stalls, you have to close all the windows before restarting.

  234. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Goaty, the Grand Cherokee has a screen embedded in the instrument cluster. Plenty of opportunity for a blue screen there. Perhaps the hackers could have done that before killing the journo’s engine power in the path of the semi.

  235. C.L.

    Boy Scouts end ban on openly gay leaders

    Get your sons out now while the getting’s good.

  236. srr

    Fed Officer on at TURC now

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