Cross Post: Graham Young – There is a correlation between CO2 and world security

Prince Charles and Bernie Sanders are on to something. There does appear to be a correlation between carbon dioxide emissions and world security. It’s just that they are holding one graph the wrong way around.

This is a graph of CO2 emissions over the last 100 or so years.

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And this is a graph of world battle deaths since 1947.World_Security

It is the 1940s when the IPCC says that CO2 first started to have an effect on world temperature, so 1947 is a pretty good year to start a comparison at, and you can see how CO2 emissions start powering away at that point.

Looking at the two graphs it is clear that there is some sort of correlation, and it is negative, rather than positive, because 1950 is a peak in battle deaths. It drops away to almost nothing today.

I’m not naive enough to confuse correlation and causation. To move from correlation to causation you have to have a mechanism, and in this case I think there is an obvious one.

That mechanism is that when people are more physically and mentally comfortable they are likely to fight less. A richer world is likely to be a more peaceful world.

CO2 makes the world richer because it is an output of generating almost all of the energy we consume, and it is enslaving the electron that has allowed us to be richer than our ancestors dreamed was possible, even for kings and queens.

Here is a graph of global per capita GDP. In this case there is a positive correlation between CO2 emissions and GDP. Now there’s a hockey stick you can love, and no sign of a Medieval Warming either.

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So, it may be counter-intuitive to those meeting in Paris, but it would seem that the solution to world peace, and world poverty, would appear to be more CO2, not less.

Perhaps others might like to add to the correlations by unearthing some graphs for me on some other indicators of progress, such as global life expectancy. I think Prince Charles and Bernie might be accidentally onto something here. Happy to add to their knowledge with further graphs on this site.

Originally posted here.

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18 Responses to Cross Post: Graham Young – There is a correlation between CO2 and world security

  1. Gary in Erko

    There’s a correlation between the increase in use of graphs to make a point and the increase in CO2.

  2. So where’s the increase in CO2 emissions in 1940 – 1945, when the world was digging up and burning all the coal it could produce? What about the oil that was burned in the hundreds of millions of tons? When we were literally burning down hundreds of cities in Japan, England, Germany, and Russia?
    Instead as the world appears to have become quite adept at producing CO2 via explosive means, there is actually a dip.

  3. Snoopy

    What I want to know is how did the oceans ever recover from the all the oil released when hundreds and hundreds of ships, including oil tankers, were sunk in WW2? The reefs off the Solomon Islands must still be an ecological waste land, right?

  4. Token

    CO2 makes the world richer because it is an output of generating almost all of the energy we consume, and it is enslaving the electron that has allowed us to be richer than our ancestors dreamed was possible, even for kings and queens.

    Democratizing cheap power and world peace under the stewardship of the US provided the world with unknown peace and wealth.

  5. Combine Dave

    Finally some real science one can get behind 😀

  6. Herodotus

    It’s notable that Prince Charles, whose main use to the media has been as a figure of fun and a reason why we need a republic now, before he becomes king, is suddenly thrust before the public as if he was a celeb the left approve of – all in the game of pushing green alarmism.

  7. Myrddin Seren

    Graham

    CO2 makes the world richer because it is an output of generating almost all of the energy we consume, and it is enslaving the electron that has allowed us to be richer than our ancestors dreamed was possible, even for kings and queens.

    True dat !

    I would dare to suggest though that the roll off in conventional battle deaths from the peak of the Korean War is also likely correlated with the increase in the numbers of nuclear weapons in existence that pretty much rendered unwinnable a full-scale conventional war between the NATO powers and the Warsaw Pact and, in a separate hemisphere, Communist China.

    The big dogs have been circling each other and growling since the Berlin blockade but have either let proxy wars roll, or it has simply been the chaos of the third world Poostans tearing each other apart, like Sudan.

  8. Diogenes

    Don’t forget Pirates

    May you all be touched by His Noodly Appendage

  9. Arky

    Looking at that war deaths chart, the Korean war must have been an absolute blood bath.
    It dwarfs everything else.

  10. Andrew

    CO2 brings plant growth. People are no longer, at the median or even well below it, hungry. The median person in the world is actually doing pretty OK for the first time ever, and despite population up about 50% in my lifetime there’s more than enough food produced (even after burning it in lieu of petrol and other waste).

    With that burden lifted, people can get on with education and other advancement. Now grotesque poverty is the exception rather than the norm.

  11. jupes

    The reefs off the Solomon Islands must still be an ecological waste land, right?

    This is true. For example, no one dives on the wrecks at Truk Island. No one at all.

  12. Myrddin Seren

    Looking at that war deaths chart, the Korean war must have been an absolute blood bath.

    The Chinese ‘volunteers’ committed by Mao to the fight as the UN forces pushed up to the Norther Korean/Chinese border frequently resorted brutal human wave attacks.

    Marine veterans describe their desperate resistance at the Chosin Reservoir as the Chinese flooded over the border and drove in to their lines.

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