Parents don’t have to consent

This morning the Australian newspaper is reporting:

Vulnerable teenagers as young as 14, including some who had ­suicidal thoughts, were secretly interviewed without parental knowledge about their gender and sexuality by a university ­research team with links to the Safe Schools program.

The Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and ­Society, run out of La Trobe Univer­sity, went to significant lengths to ensure its interviews with underage participants took place without parental consent when researching its report, From Blues to Rainbows.

The report funded by beyond blue can be accessed here.

Firstly, this report would not have been possible if it were not for beyondblue recognising the need for this research and providing the funding to undertake it.

Okay – but this part of the Australian report is wrong:

While the project was ­approved by La Trobe University’s ethics committee, the methodology appears to go against the National Health and Medical ­Research Council’s guidelines pertaining to the ethical conduct of research involving minors, which recommends that parental consent be obtained when dealing with “children and young people”.

No – the the National Health and Medical ­Research Council’s ethics rules state at pages 51 – 52:

A review body may also approve research to which only the young person consents if it is satisfied that:
(a) he or she is mature enough to understand the relevant information and to give consent, although vulnerable because of relative immaturity in other respects;
(b) the research involves no more than low risk (see paragraph 2.1.6);
(c) the research aims to benefit the category of children or young people to which this participant belongs; and
(d) either
(i) the young person is estranged or separated from parents or guardian, and provision is made to protect the young person’s safety, security and wellbeing in the conduct of the research (see paragraph 4.2.5). (In this case, although the child’s circumstances may mean he or she is at some risk, for example because of being homeless, the research itself must still be low risk); or
(ii) it would be contrary to the best interests of the young person to seek consent from the parents, and provision is made to protect the young person’s safety, security and wellbeing in the conduct of the research (see paragraph 4.2.5).

The fact is that anyone could drive a truck though that rule. Apparently they have:

In order to protect the young people from being outed to their family, the young people did not need to gain parental or guardian consent to participate in this research. Online interviews with young people aged younger than 18 years were conducted by an interviewer with a Victorian Working with Children Check.

So we have the rather fascinating situation where a university ethics committee believes that it is entirely appropriate for its researchers to go online and speak to minors – without their parents consent – about their sexuality? I’m just wondering how that is “low risk”? I’m especially interested in what they did with information that some minors may have had suicidal thoughts? Is doing research into teen suicide low risk?

Second last word to Jeff Kennett:

“Sadly the reality is a lot of young adolescents do not have the courage to talk to their parents about their sexuality — some who do are rejected by their parents and are treated very badly and therefore the issue of their sexuality compounds their mental issues,” beyondblue chairman Jeff Kennett said.

Indeed – that is sad. Yet I’m not convinced that speaking to strangers online about their sexuality is a substitute for speaking to family, friends, and medical practitioners.

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92 Responses to Parents don’t have to consent

  1. Infidel Tiger

    Maybe if there was more emphasis on learning rather than genitals and sexuality in the education system, kids were be less messed up. Having genitalia rammed down your throat from first period to leaving bell is going to confuse the hell out of everyone.

  2. feelthebern

    IT is Rex Mossip.

  3. stackja

    State rules! Stalin live!

  4. Gary in Erko

    The same researchers advise schools to remove website porn blockers. And the foundation of their arguments for lust marriage are that marriage is not related in any way to family or children.

  5. Ant

    Sounds like the typical statist application of a top down mentality to issues such as this which are individual and unique.

    On the whole, it is crazy for parents, who I would think are overwhelmingly responsible and receptive about serious issues their children are having, to be frozen out.

    Big nanny government rarely knows best and, although I’m sure there are cases where the parents are no bloody good, the mental health of children should not be an area for application of the ‘lowest common denominator’ approach by people who clock in at 9:00am, pretend to care, and then clock out at 4:57:30pm to go on their merry way.

  6. Stepnfetchit

    Beyond Blue. The same organisation that appointed Julia Gillard to their Board after her “dismissal”
    Jeff Kennett lost me then and this only supports my convictions.

  7. Quig

    Ant’s ultimate para says it all!

  8. C.L.

    There is a cluster of child sex-groomers in the Federal government.

  9. ar

    “cluster of child sex-groomers”

    Heaven forbid any gay child makes the terrible mistake of getting married, raising a family, before finally coming out at age 50. Nip that in the bud.

  10. Rabz

    Gee, if I wasn’t an utter moral vacuum, I’d equate this to child abuse.

  11. kae

    Can someone under 18 actually sign a contract or give consent for something like this?

    Ethics schmethics.

    There was a kerfuffle when cattle needed to be ear tagged for research and tracking. The research was nearly stopped in its tracks.

  12. Mique

    I’d be amazed if there is any such thing as a gay child. Children experiment and always have. As age 25 seems to be the point about where adult maturity seems to manifest itself in most people, I’d be very wary of any younger person’s assertion about their sexuality. Indeed, the opinion of any person younger than about age 25 is, in my experience, rarely likely to lend significant weight to any argument.

  13. JohnA

    This is yet another example of the low ethical/moral position we have reached. Now it’s research, hidden from parents, to disguise behaviour designed to support a program of “teaching” children about their sexuality (a program which robs them of their innocence) which is also hidden from their parents by being disguised as an anti-bullying program for schools. Why? – because parents who have the primary responsibility of care and are the closest to their children, would refuse access to these predators, and rightly so.

    As a result of excessive pushing of the libertarian envelope, apparently anything goes and all is permitted – oh, EXCEPT for Cardinal Pell and the Catholic Church. Yeah, right!

    As you may deduce, gentle readers, I am disgusted with this double standard.

    Either there are absolute standards of behaviour to which people may be called to account, judged (shock, horror!) and found guilty if the facts warrant, or there are no absolutes, all behaviours “are relative” (to what?) and nobody can judge anybody – including priests.

    Which means that if the enquiry into Institutional Abuse of Children (still heard described a few days ago in radio news as “an enquiry into child abuse within the Catholic church” is to mean anything, then this example of institutional abuse should also be investigated.

  14. Stimpson J. Cat

    F?ck this crazy sh?t.
    I’m starting a petition to have JC and I take over Beyond Blue.
    Who’s with me?
    Our slogan will be:
    “Real help for real crazy people from real crazy people.”

  15. Richard H

    Sinc, it’s a shame some vulnerable kids were exposed to serious risk of harm, but as the research was intended to promote the destruction of capitalism, it was worth the risk.

    As Robespierre is supposed to have said, you can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

  16. Bob in Castlemaine

    So where is the line drawn between “research” and grooming? This failed Marxist ideology, currently masquerading as the Safe Schools program, is as deeply flawed today as it was when first introduced by Lenin in post revolution Russia:

    ” “I want the masses of Russia to follow a Communistic pattern of thinking … There was too much individualism [and] communism does not tolerate individualistic tendencies. They are harmful. They interfere with our plans. We must abolish individualism”, Lenin declared.
    “So”, asked Pavlov,“you want me to standardize the population of Russia? Make them all behave the same way?”
    “Exactly!” replied Lenin. “Man can be corrected. Man can be made what we want him to be”.
    Consequently, as Geoffrey Hosking explains in A History of the Soviet Union (1985):
    “In the 1920s the regime tried to weaken the family as a ‘bourgeois institution’ [by passing new laws according to which] any stable cohabitation … could be considered a family … Abortion was available on demand [and] a partner to a marriage could obtain a divorce simply by requesting it”.
    The result was an astronomical increase in the number of broken homes and abortions (in 1934 in Moscow there were only 57,000 live births compared to 154,000 abortions), while large numbers of women died from botched procedures. Meanwhile, the number of orphans skyrocketed, and they roamed the streets, starving, dying of disease, and forming criminal gangs that attacked people and stormed apartment blocks. “

    Welcome to the brave new world of the progressive Left.

  17. Minderbinder of Qld

    Talking to young children on line about their sexuality, by adults without the knowledge of their parents, is an activity that has rightly resulted in custodial prison sentences for the perpetrators. Yet an ethics committee of a cardboard university has deemed this process to be ethical? Please tell me that this is a horror movie script not real life.

  18. Have a look at the requirements for parental consent and notification when a child 16 years or under is pregnant and wants an abortion. They may surprise you.

    Children aged 14 and upwards can also get a prescription for the Pill without parental consent and notification.

  19. Muddy

    Some people are still getting confused about education and schooling. Schooling is the moulding of young people to fit the needs and purposes of the dominant classes in society. It has nothing to do with the needs of the child/young person themselves. Education is something one attempts to enact on one’s own time and resources. The state is not interested in education. People can only be fitted into the holes designed for them by being schooled.

  20. Rabz

    Meanwhile, the number of orphans skyrocketed, and they roamed the streets, starving, dying of disease, and forming criminal gangs that attacked people and stormed apartment blocks

  21. Baldrick

    Online child sex grooming is permissible, as long as it’s government sponsored.
    Good to know.

  22. Muddy

    “Real help for real crazy people from real crazy people.”
    But what are you going to contribute, Stimpy?

  23. Turtle of WA

    I noticed that the gay lobby had infiltrated Beyond Blue last year. They started running ads about depression amongst the LGBTQWERTY crowd.

    As was said on the main thread, health is the cover story. Bullying, and mental health are now fronts for gayprop.

    I noticed on Q&A on Monday night that a link was being drawn between being LGBTQWERTY and mental health.

    We’ve come full circle. A few decades ago we stopped classifying homosexuality as a mental disease. The gay lobby now say there is a link between being gay and being mentally ill. So nothing’s changed. What has changed is that the blame was once placed on the individual gay. Now the blame is placed on heterosexuals.

    There is a parallel with the change in attitudes to race. Racism happened then – a minority was marginalised. Racism happens now, by marginalising the majority. Likewise with gays. We are moving from marginalising a minority to marginalising the majority.

    That Foucault idiot has a lot to answer for.

  24. ella

    I’d like to introduce myself:

    I am a heterosexual – a female. My sense of myself as a woman is linked to my experience of my body (biology) – all of my body which includes my brain.

    There is no clear-cut distinction between biology and gender. If the idiots claim there is such a distinction then they are claiming there are two distinct realities. Gender cannot have its own distinct reality; it cannot have its own separate existence.

    This is the biggest mess I’ve ever seen.

    To the Vice Chancellor of Latrobe University – ” YOU ARE FIRED!”

  25. Muddy

    A good observation there Turtle. That’s because our ideological enemies, the infiltrators and social/cultural insurgents, understand humans and human nature better than we do.

  26. Turtle of WA

    understand humans and human nature better than we do.

    Yes. They are intimately acquainted with sheep psychology. They secretly declare war on the majority, then convince the majority, using dodgy stats and misrepresentation, that the majority is on their side.

  27. Muddy

    An interesting thought, Ella. I must admit that I don’t quite understand it, but I will certainly ponder upon it.

  28. Muddy

    It has been working a treat for them so far Turtle, so how can we replicate that? Or are we not prepared to do so, overestimating the people’s initiative and motivation?

  29. Turtle of WA

    Or, Muddy, is it far too late? Is the only hope that that go too far too quickly and everyone turns against them?

  30. Turtle of WA

    Sorry,

    Or, Muddy, is it far too late? Is the only hope that they go too far too quickly and everyone turns against them?

  31. Muddy

    I’m a cynic Turtle: Will people even notice ‘too far,’ and if so, will they act? After all, they have been programmed so well up to this point.

  32. Turtle of WA

    I’m not optimistic either. The people who traditionally reacted to this stuff are too busy with tats and face-metal.

  33. Stimpson J. Cat

    But what are you going to contribute, Stimpy?

    I will write the policy and be active on the frontlines.
    I will also volunteer to be a research test subject for any new procedures and medications.
    Unlike these allegedly sane people who claim to speak for me and my mental brethren.

  34. Muddy

    Our first target must be the enablers, Turtle. For without them, the attention-seekers will wither. The anxiety-porn pimps (the media) are enemy number one as far as I am concerned. No-one or no thing is eternal or without weakness however. APPs must be played against each other. The public must be, and can be, convinced that these pretenders are against them.

    I have to head off. May the remainder of the day be kind to you and yours.

  35. Muddy

    You missed my gentle jibe at JC, Stimpy. I’ll have to try harder next time!

  36. Stan

    Both this and the “Safe Schools” anti-bullying “pretend to be gay” program are, in my view, effectively sex grooming of minors. And the people running them ought to be brought to appropriate account.

  37. ella

    To the Vice Chancellor of Latrobe University – ” YOU ARE FIRED!”

    “Most children are socialised into the gender that matches their biological sex.”

    Really?

    “Since you have already uncritically accepted the gender dogma that gender is a social -cultural construction, this statement is contradictory. “Matching” means nothing unless you grant that there is a natural link between sex and gender which is what you are trying to refute.”

    Muddy, we have a dangerous moron at the top of Latrobe University.

  38. MsDolittle

    I will write the policy and be active on the frontlines.

    Dibs on Nurse Ratchet. I’m fully across ECT after I left the window open next the hair dryer and it rained, fairly flew across the room.

  39. MsDolittle

    “Most children are socialised into the gender that matches their biological sex.”

    That hypothesis is shit.

  40. Pat Warnock

    Usual story – parents know nothing and can’t be trusted with bringing up children!

  41. Brian

    We are all aware of how the framing of questions will promote certain answers.
    I think this particular study is an extreme example but still suggests uncertainty over a lot of “academic” studies and their conclusions.
    So they are secretly one on one with suggestible kids. What weight then do we give to any reported statistics and analysis?
    In fact, if they are prepared to do this for the sake of an agenda, why would we trust the statistics that they report, let alone any conclusions?

  42. John A;

    This is yet another example of the low ethical/moral position we have reached. Now it’s research, hidden from parents, to disguise behaviour designed to support a program of “teaching” children about their sexuality (a program which robs them of their innocence) which is also hidden from their parents by being disguised as an anti-bullying program for schools. Why? – because parents who have the primary responsibility of care and are the closest to their children, would refuse access to these predators, and rightly so.

    It looks to me like someone is trawling for minors who they can talk into gender confusion, and getting names, addresses and web contacts all lined up.
    We need to be making a list for when the conter revolution arrives.

  43. C.L.

    “Sadly the reality is a lot of young adolescents do not have the courage to talk to their parents about their sexuality — some who do are rejected by their parents and are treated very badly and therefore the issue of their sexuality compounds their mental issues,” beyondblue chairman Jeff Kennett said.

    When exactly was it that mindless knucklehead Jeff Kennett became a widely cited expert on the human condition?

  44. ella

    While the project was ­approved by La Trobe University’s ethics committee, the methodology appears to go against the National Health and Medical ­Research Council’s guidelines pertaining to the ethical conduct of research involving minors, which recommends that parental consent be obtained when dealing with “children and young people”.”

    OMG, the research was approved by La Trobe’s ethics committee.

    The air in Melbourne is too thin.

  45. Fred Lenin

    Looks like the Regressive left are preparing the West for the u.n.communist one world government ,unelected of course that government will last a couple of years before tgecaliphate beheads them all and imposes worls sharia rule by despotic imans . Dont know who would be the worst ,the u.n. or the islamofascists ,at leadt the islamites wouldnt all be poofters .

  46. Ubique

    At least the Islamites wouldn’t all be poofters

    And our feminazis would all wear burkas; only ever venture out of the home in the company of a male relative; and never make a peep – all to demonstrate their continuing cultural sensitivity.

  47. Ellen of Tasmania

    From the ‘From Blues To Rainbows‘ report that Sinc has linked to:

    Demographics
    One hundred and eighty-nine young people participated in the online survey, and sixteen of the same young
    people attended real-time online interviews. They were aged between 14 and 25 years with an average age of
    19. Overall, 55% were either studying, or studying and working, and 16.5% were unemployed.

    Gender
    Over one in three young people identified with genders that do not conform to the binary notion of gender
    (man/woman). Half of the young people identified with genders under the ‘transgender’ umbrella and 11%
    were gender questioning. Almost a third of the participants “always knew” about their gender identity. Many of the young people understood their gender identities in personal and self-reflective ways.”
    …………
    Oh, and we’re expected to believe they won’t be demanding polygamous marriages once they get SSM?
    …………
    In the Glossary we have this little gem:

    Polyamory
    Is a term used to describe the practice of honest, open,
    ethical multiple relationships. For example multiple
    relationships where all parties are aware of and agree
    with the situation. (www.polyvic.org.au)”

    and this:

    Pansexual
    Refers to sexual or romantic attraction that is not based
    on a person’s gender identity or sex.”
    ………………
    That last one really concerns me because this is one of the problems with the whole QWERTY movement, most especially when it gets involved in young peoples lives. It confuses people about relationships that were once safe and non-sexual. We are all capable of having really strong, loving relationships with people of the same sex. These relationships are not sexual at all, but this whole effort to make children think about all relationships in a sexual light can make them confuse natural loving feelings for something sexual, or drive them away from close friendship or familial love for fear of it becoming sexual.

  48. old bloke

    Looks like the Regressive left are preparing the West for the u.n.communist one world government ,unelected of course that government will last a couple of years before tgecaliphate beheads them all and imposes worls sharia rule by despotic imans .

    Fred, I can set your mind at rest. According to the Bible, the One World / UN crowd, centred in a mystery nation called Daughter of Babylon, is destroyed suddenly and completely and in the power vacuum that results, another power comes to force, that is called the Beast (Shia Islam) kingdom. That lasts for only seven years, so keep a good stock of baked beans and toilet paper tucked away.

  49. Slayer of Memes

    Last time i heard about a study that involved adults talking to children about their sexuality online without parental knowledge or consent, it was widely publicised….

    One wonders if this study will receive the same publicity?

  50. Perth Trader

    Hmmm..I’m soooooo confused. I’m a male or thought I was , but if I like looking at womens breasts , legs and butts ,yet enjoy a beer with males am I normal or gender diverse?

  51. Stimpson J. Cat

    You missed my gentle jibe at JC, Stimpy. I’ll have to try harder next time!

    JC is the money.
    And hair.

  52. Stimpson J. Cat

    but if I like looking at womens breasts , legs and butts

    A fixation with women’s ashtrays is not uncommon.

  53. memoryvault

    but if I like looking at womens breasts , legs and butts ,
    yet enjoy a beer with males am I normal or gender diverse?

    Obviously you were born male but self-identify as a butch lesbian dyke.

  54. Perth Trader

    memoryvault

    #1965845, posted on March 4, 2016 at 5:00 pm

    HAHAHAHA… to bloody funny…..

  55. ella

    Sinclair,

    I’ve had an interest in science and public policy for a long time, all of it gained overseas.

    There is no academic in Australia who even comes close to you.

    It is time someone told you this was true.

  56. Roger

    Silly Sinclair.

    Don’t you know children belong to the state and not their parents?

  57. Pete of Perth

    Would you require consent if you happen to drop dead in Sweden? Via DavidThompson http://www.mrctv.org/blog/swedish-youth-party-wants-incest-and-necrophilia-legalized

  58. Gab

    http://www.mrctv.org/blog/swedish-youth-party-wants-incest-and-necrophilia-legalized

    Wow, Pete, the future certainly looks bright. Just think, some of these people will one day be leaders. Nothing is out of bounds – do whatever feels good seems to be the motto.

    Stick a fork in humanity, we’re done.

  59. Sydney Boy

    Double standards.

    Stimpy, I’ll vote for you to be head of Beyond Blue, if you give ethics approval for my project:

    Vulnerable teenagers as young as 14, including those who have ­suicidal thoughts, are to be secretly interviewed without parental knowledge, about their fundamental Islamic tendencies and proclivities for suicide bombings by a university ­research team with links to the ISIS program. I will go to significant lengths to ensure my interviews with underage participants take place without parental consent when researching my report.

    What do you reckon?

  60. Hydra

    Student: “I’m sad”

    School: “Are you gay? Please be gay. Or trans?!”

    I’d be sad too.

  61. .

    Schools want to give kids labels because labels mean funding.

    It is shithouse but it is the way these things roll.

  62. Robk

    The surveys, as described, certainly are creepy and questionable. I can’t see any scientific value in data collected in this manner. It is a very poor reflection on the individuals and institutions conducting these “interviews”, their obsession with sexuality borders on some kind of voyeurism. What is to be gained by this “research”.

  63. Roger

    What is to be gained by this “research”.

    The corruption of youth.

  64. Neenee

    What is to be gained by this “research”.

    Funding
    Expanded Curriculum vitae
    More funding
    Employment
    Longer tenure
    More funding
    Networking
    Happy endings

  65. Tel

    Schools have been disempowering parents for decades. The teaching industry was all cool about it until they discovered people started to hold them responsible for the kids’ behaviour suddenly they start with “where were the parents?”

    All pretense to care taken, but no responsibility.

    Funny how that works… age of seeming and all that.

  66. James Hargrave

    La Trobe University’s ethics committee!

    Like so many things in universities, set up a committee, spew forth policies, circulate asinine forms, employ a few more fancy-titled-clerks to process the stuff. All smoke and mirrors – reading the stuff from one place, some of my interviewing for a PhD (informal, food and drink partaken – long before ethics committees but in an era of personal ethics) would fail the test, but this sort of thing is OK. More arse-covering, policy-laden nonsense. More of the pretend world of the modern university – we’ll pretend to educate you and you can pretend to be educated, and here is a piece of paper to prove it… All poppycock.

  67. Tintarella di Luna

    Words fail

  68. Stimpson J. Cat

    What do you reckon?

    There are millions of Muslims and I am sure that a large number of those are nice friendly people with a fondness like me, of the color black..
    I know about twelve personally but what with the madness and everything I haven’t had time to meet the rest and check.

  69. candy

    All so wrong.

    If this troubling situation goes on, the first thing is to check that the researchers have Blue Cards and their criminal records checked.

    They simply must have that to talk to minors on line about sex. It’s dangerous indeed if the researchers are not checked out. The literally could be anyone.

  70. ianl8888

    > They literally could be anyone

    And now the “programme” has gone public, they will be … perfect opportunity

  71. Robk

    Candy,
    Even with a card I think it’s still wrong. The old saying about criminals: the good ones don’t get caught.
    Just ask: “All the Jimmy Saville wannabes in academia stand up please.”
    Kids that have genuine mental disorders need professional help. Kids sorting out their sexuality don’t.

  72. Nuclear family is so 60s, let the state manage the younglings so you may enjoy a more productive existence.

    A friendly message brought to you by your local government lifestyle office.

  73. Infidel Tiger

    Nuclear family has been replaced by the renewable family.

  74. dan

    We took a post-modern relativist view of ‘transgender’ and ‘gender diverse’ as discursively contested/constructed umbrella terms, associated with a range of debated identities. We accepted that the terms ‘transgender’ and ‘gender diverse’ have multiple meanings to multiple people who experience or research it according to their particular framework/s of reference,

    That’s from the report on the Beyond Blue website.

  75. dan

    Ten young people (around 5% of the sample) who
    filled out the survey nominated that they were intersex; however, upon exploring these young people’s open-
    ended responses to some of the other questions, it appeared that some (but not all) of the young people who
    chose this option had done so mistakenly.

    Riiight,

    And it turns out they did a grand total of 16 interviews??

  76. Stimpson J. Cat

    Let’s be honest.
    There is homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual and chopper squad.
    Anything apart from that is freaky deeky (not that there’s anything wrong with that 🙂 or they are AF (acronym fetishists).

  77. Richard H #1965583, posted on March 4, 2016 at 12:25 pm

    As Robespierre is supposed to have said, you can’t make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

    You can’t take your country back without cracking some heads.

  78. nilk

    When exactly was it that mindless knucklehead Jeff Kennett became a widely cited expert on the human condition?

    When he cracked the sads after losing the 1999 election and took his bat and ball home. He obviously had a bit of a downer and got some “treatment”* for it and decided that what the world needed was more help lines. He should be promoting JC’s Lefty Suicide Hotline.

    *”treatment” meaning that he wafted around feeling sorry for himself, talked to a few people about it, got a pat on the hand a a few tissues to mop up his sorrows, then felt better. If it worked for him, it should work for everyone.

  79. memoryvault

    You can’t take your country back without cracking some heads.

    If only it were that simple, Riccardo.

  80. Splatacrobat

    Child being interviewed: What’s that knocking sound coming from under the table?
    Adult interviewer: Nothing! Now tell me Joey, have you ever seen a grown man naked? Do you like gladiator movies?

  81. Token

    This is in the state where a multi millionaire media tart pointed a finger at a 13 yo in a crowd with the result the girl was taken away and brow beaten for 3 hour. As one expected she gave them the forced confession they demanded & the people responsible were neber punished.

    When news got out the scared & terrorised masses were convinced by a concerted lie campaign their civil liberties do not exist & terrorisimg children in such a manner is not only ok, it will be repeated.

    Victorias

  82. Diogenes

    Student: “I’m sad”

    School: “Are you gay? Please be gay. Or trans?!”

    I’d be sad too.

    One of my students tried to, and very nearly succeeded in committing suicide yesterday. She came out to her father last weekend, he did not take it well.

    So fuck off !

  83. Let’s be honest.
    There is homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual and chopper squad.

    Indeed, let’s be. There is only heterosexual, the offshoots are various forms of genetic errors and mental issues.

  84. Leo G

    Push polling sexual-angst-ridden adolescents, two thirds of whom claim harassment due to the expression of their sexuality, one-third to the point of considering suicide, without the permission of parents, without oversight by suitable independent psychologists or ethicists, even without the normal statistical design framework for such a survey, and conducted by pollsters with a concealed ideological agenda.
    What could be wrong with that?

  85. Stimpson J. Cat

    genetic errors

    Good luck telling your children they are a genetic error.
    Let me know how it goes.

  86. Gary in Erko

    If a trans female being altered to male wants to marry a trans male being altered to female, would that be covered by same sex marriage laws, or be classed as an ordinary heterosexual marriage? A similar question would be for an intersex indeterminate person marrying male, or a female, or a lesbian, or whatever – they’re not the same sex, so it’s not a same sex marriage, and not heterosexual although it could be partly, then what is it in order to determine what legislation covers it?

  87. stackja

    Gary in Erko
    #1966647, posted on March 5, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    The ‘elite’ will invent something.

  88. .

    Zippy The Younger
    #1966621, posted on March 5, 2016 at 12:16 pm
    Let’s be honest.
    There is homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual and chopper squad.

    Indeed, let’s be. There is only heterosexual, the offshoots are various forms of genetic errors and mental issues.

    Fuck me swinging. You think your views are mainstream – no they’re positively ISIS like, you Muslim obsessed nut.

  89. Mayan

    Having read the report, and it’s methodology section, it was an online survey that was advertised in places where it was likely to be found by the subject cohort. The participants chose to participate in the online survey, and interviews were conducted online, via an instant messaging system. The participants could have chosen to be anonymous, such is the nature of online surveys.

    So, it was anything but the researchers grabbing kids at school and barraging them with question that the more panicky commenters believe, or would have others believe.

    The objection seems to come from an inability to cope with the fact that queer people, to use a broad term, do exist, and have existed through human existence.

  90. Mayan

    s/it’s/its

    Thinking of multiple wordings for a sentence sometimes doesn’t work very well, at least not without an edit facility.

  91. DezC

    If our leaders are so convinced with SSM, why can’t they have held the gay Mardi Gra in the Main Street of Lakemba, to see if it is a popular idea!

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