Nikki Savva and journalistic ethics

I still recall my amazement when Peter Costello chose Nikki Savva as his media advisor. She was the ideological twin sister of Michelle Grattan, Michelle at The Age, and Nikki at the Herald Sun. Media advisor was, I suppose, different from actual policy but nonetheless, she was every inch a know-nothing leftist. It is why I have never paid attention to a single thing she writes and am always surprised to see her as a supposed spokesperson for the right side of the political divide. Everything she has written about Abbott might as well have been written by the ALP media team. And now she has written a book about Abbott’s years as PM and the role that Peta Credlin played, without bothering to talk to either! This is how Credlin has replied to Nikki this morning: Niki Savva’s Road to Ruin: politics is now unsourced gossip.

I always thought a dignified ­silence was the best way to deal with Niki Savva’s attacks. They were personal, invariably founded on unsourced gossip and rarely made any attempt at balance.

I have always just got on with the job. I felt my 16 years of service to four Howard cabinet ministers and time in opposition, including as deputy chief of staff to Malcolm Turnbull, said more about my ­record than any bile from Savva but she was never interested in the facts.

Then, like now, she hasn’t ever wanted to speak with me — including in preparation for her book. Her colleagues in the Canberra press gallery would often ask me what I had done to warrant her attacks. People were often taken aback when I responded that I barely knew her.

It is one of the golden rules of journalistic ethics to provide a right of reply to anyone you’re going to criticise. In the end, journalists are supposed to weigh up the contributions and seek their own truth, but to not want to hear the other side of the story is extraordinary.

It is extraordinary. It also makes her book worthless as an objective account of what went on.

FROM THE COMMENTS: This is a direct quote from Nikki Savva picked up by Aaron:

“As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too.”

Not even occasionally but “often“. How weird it is to confess to this in print. The story is by Laurie Oakes as well, definitely not someone out to get her.

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377 Responses to Nikki Savva and journalistic ethics

  1. Stackja

    Ellis book about Abbott was pulped. Savva’s book should be too.

  2. Jim

    It is extraordinary. It also makes her book worthless as an objective account of what went on.

    Agreed. Don’t give it any more oxygen by whinging about it….

  3. Nic

    Gossip is the new evidence, but only against some.

  4. Aaron

    In 2010, Niki described her approach to writing as:

    “As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too. Journalists can and do get away with lying; politicians and staff can’t. Nor should they.”

    She also added that,

    “I learned to slice and dice anyone who deliberately fed out misleading information, or who spoke to others and not me…”

    She is a bitter and nasty old crone who the ABC loves to promote as a former Coalition staffer in a pathetic attempt at ‘balance’. Her hatred for Credlin probably stems from the fact that Credlin refused to genuflect to Savva’s supposed seniority.

  5. Cannibal

    journalistic ethics

    .

    I smell an oxymoron. I wonder if she gets any more invites on Bolt’s show, and will she accept?

  6. I Am the Walras, Equilibrate and Price Take

    Savva’s book tells us more about Savva than about Credlin and Abbott.

    What an own goal.

  7. Bear Necessities

    Savva is the Wiley Coyote of Press Gallery Journalism.

  8. Ant

    Nikki Savva is the David Brooks of Australian politics.

  9. TC

    The book will be a good reference for historians , it will be the perfect example of the hate filled , illogical , fact free , bile of the media during the Abbott years.

  10. H B Bear

    Savva, John Hewson and Amanda Vanstone should form their own speakers bureau.

    The Memphis Shuffle perhaps?

  11. .

    I saw another book today, some “Two Years of Captain Abbott” or some other shit.

    Okay, he might have been shit. Did they write about Gillard’s insufferable three years?

    Not a chance in hell, champion.

  12. Ant

    Or the Bill O’Reilly of Australian journalism.

    She should have title the book Killing Abaddon (AKA Abbott666).

  13. tgs

    Agreed.

    Her logic for not giving Abbott/Credlin a right of reply was nonsensical as well. Surprised the Australian has been supporting it/her though they at least had the decency to give Credlin a right of reply. Suppose you can’t pass up that much copy when it falls into your lap.

  14. Tintarella di Luna

    Not even the the coined word beginning with s and ending in -unt adequately describes this purveyor of filth and putridity.

  15. Toiling Mass

    Ellis book about Abbott was pulped. Savva’s book should be too.

    Just the books?

  16. Stackja

    Toiling Mass – Lynch justice?

  17. Rayvic

    Nikki Savva has always come across as a hater of Tony Abbott and Peta Credlin.

    So, there is no point in reading her diatribe.

  18. elhombre

    Tintarella di Luna : Sunt??

  19. Robbo

    Savva is a self confessed liar but that doesn’t automatically mean that her book contains nothing but lies. What it does mean, however, is that everything she writes needs to be examined in detail to ensure that she has not skewed the truth to make the story fit any preconceived bias. On that test Savva fails, and fails badly. She admits that she did not attempt to contact Abbott or Credlin for their response to allegations she has written. That is unprofessional, and cowardly. She fails to reveal anywhere in her book that her husband works for Turnbull. Covering up that fact means that she full knows that if revealed that fact would destroy any credibility her book might have because it could be seen that she is doing the bidding of Turnbull and his miserable group of craven arse lickers.
    So the evidence is there to clearly show that Savva is a liar, is totally unprofessional and a coward. She is also someone who seems to have done the bidding of Turnbull and his lot to prop up the employment of her husband and also to destroy the reputation of Abbott and a woman she hardly knows. What a rotten bitch.

  20. Rabz

    We should let the market function as intended here. Souvlaki Savva’s book includes a prominent ringing endorsement (on the front cover, no less) from none other than that paragon of journalistic integrity and doyen of the National Peanut Gallery, Jabba Oakes.

    In about two weeks bookstores will be emptying Savva’s tome out of the remainder bins and paying people to take copies away.

  21. Talleyrand

    Tintarella di Luna : Sunt??

    Sunt lacrimae rerum …

  22. Speedbox

    The book will be a good reference for historians , it will be the perfect example of the hate filled , illogical , fact free , bile of the media during the Abbott years.

    Agreed but I can’t help but wonder why anyone would really care about Nikki Savva’s book (other than the lunatic left).

    She has long been known a a sympathiser of the left; would regularly target Abbott (and Credlin) for inconsequential reasons,; her husband works for Turnbull and, by her own admission, she didn’t do any fact checking with either Abbott or Credlin. Now I read that she is a self confessed liar. “As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too. Journalists can and do get away with lying; politicians and staff can’t. Nor should they.”

    And this person is supposedly a doyen of the Canberra Press gallery. Really? This country is f*cked.

  23. JMH

    I’m surprised this tome of scuttlebutt was not endorsed by the Turncoat himself. I’m sure it’s release at this time was to ‘persuade’ Abbott to think twice about running again in his own electorate. Turnbull wants to off him and this revolting little book serves a purpose.

  24. Tom

    Now that Savva has admitted violating the most basic provisions of journalism’s Code of Ethics, I can’t see how either the ABC or The Australian can continue to defend using her as a contributor. If you’re the ABC, the fact that you have dispensed with ethics in order to brazenly peddle far left political causes is not a defence. Savva has already seriously damaged The Australian’s reputation; The Oz has very savvy readers, who are already lampooning the paper’s continuing use of her work.

  25. Barking Toad

    Tintarella is referring to the famous TV show starring Lloyd Bridges called Sea Hunt.

    The Savva would be known as a Lloyd in my company.

  26. candy

    Perhaps in part the book is a fasvour to MT for employing her her husband who I think is nearly 80. Much more sensible to give a 30 year old the job to learn the ropes. This elderly gent would surely be napping half the day.

  27. Old School Conservative

    Savva has had a career of distinction, but has now dragged her reputation into a morass of slime with this anti-Abbott smear.
    She is too old to have enough time to salvage her credentials.
    Damm shame! (sarc off)

  28. Aussiepundit

    Savva hasn’t broken the code of ethics, she’s just broken the “Code.” That is to say, she’s broken the unwritten code which says that the Press Gallery collectively decides what information is, and is not, for public consumption.

  29. Viva

    IMO it is perfectly legit for Savva to cite Fierrenti Wells’ warning to Abbott and Credlin that the perception was out there among colleagues that they were having an affair. This forms part of the context of the eventual removal of both.

    PS I’ve worked with a couple of women similar to Credlin. Sorry – not much sympathy here.

  30. Armadillo

    for employing her her husband who I think is nearly 80

    According to Bolt last night, he’s employed as a “spotter”. Goes out to venues to make sure he’s not standing under a “Exit Sign” or that an ambush is afoot.

  31. Gab

    FROM THE COMMENTS: This is a direct quote from Nikki Savva picked up by Aaron:

    “As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too.”

    That’s all I need to know about this turnbull-adoring trashy gossip columnist.

    Savva credibility: zero.

  32. Aussiepundit

    The big mystery about Abbott was why he changed from a hard core, street fighting conservative to a lazy, foggy-headed leader who tried (and spectacularly failed) to re-badge himself as a progressive centrist.

    This would explain it.

    Ockham’s Razor, folks.

  33. JC

    This would explain it.

    Ockham’s Razor, folks.

    Huh? How does that explain it.

    To his everlasting credit and for which he should always be remembered, he stopped the troughing of the car industry raping the taxpayer.

  34. JC

    Savva hasn’t broken the code of ethics, she’s just broken the “Code.” That is to say, she’s broken the unwritten code which says that the Press Gallery collectively decides what information is, and is not, for public consumption.

    Like really?

    From Tom’s link:

    Honesty
    Fairness
    Independence
    Respect for the rights of others

    Journalists will educate themselves about ethics and apply the following standards:

    1. Report and interpret honestly, striving for accuracy, fairness and disclosure of all essential facts. Do not suppress relevant available facts, or give distorting emphasis. Do your utmost to give a fair opportunity for reply.

    2. Do not place unnecessary emphasis on personal characteristics, including race, ethnicity, nationality, gender, age, sexual orientation, family relationships, religious belief, or physical or intellectual disability.

    3. Aim to attribute information to its source. Where a source seeks anonymity, do not agree without first considering the source’s motives and any alternative attributable source. Where confidences are accepted, respect them in all circumstances.

    4. Do not allow personal interest, or any belief, commitment, payment, gift or benefit, to undermine your accuracy, fairness or independence.

    5. Disclose conflicts of interest that affect, or could be seen to affect, the accuracy, fairness or independence of your journalism. Do not improperly use a journalistic position for personal gain.

    6. Do not allow advertising or other commercial considerations to undermine accuracy, fairness or independence.

    7. Do your utmost to ensure disclosure of any direct or indirect payment made for interviews, pictures, information or stories.

    8. Use fair, responsible and honest means to obtain material. Identify yourself and your employer before obtaining any interview for publication or broadcast. Never exploit a person’s vulnerability or ignorance of media practice.

    9. Present pictures and sound which are true and accurate. Any manipulation likely to mislead should be disclosed.

    10. Do not plagiarise.

    11. Respect private grief and personal privacy. Journalists have the right to resist compulsion to intrude.

    12. Do your utmost to achieve fair correction of errors.

  35. Sinclair Davidson

    Looks like you lot are shooting the messenger.

  36. JC

    Sinc

    I actually believe that the stuff about how the office was run would have some credibility, but Savva goes knee deep into strongly suggesting there was bonking going on.

  37. Sinclair Davidson

    Does she suggest bonking was going on, or that people asked whether bonking was going on?

  38. Gab

    She said the rumours were rife that bonking was going on and then proceeds to build the case by saying things like Abbott ate off Credlin’s plate, Credlin rested her head on his shoulders etc etc

  39. Gab

    Savva’s full quote:

    “As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too. Journalists can and do get away with lying; politicians and staff can’t. Nor should they.”

  40. Pickles

    Vlad the Impaler had steel spikes driven through the heads of the messengers of the enemy. Shooting them is fair dibs in modern times. It does after all, send a message firstly to messengers, then to the wombat wot sent the message. I yearn for simpler times.

  41. Ms Smith

    Nikki Savva’s husband Vince Woolcock works in logistics as part of the Malcolm Turnbull prime ministerial team. Bingo! We might have a motive for her book. Her role as a journalist is despicable, dishonourable, and her book deserves to be withdrawn from the bookshelves. Shoot the messenger, not the unsubstantiated message she presents in this book.
    BTW, a Nikki Savva quote – “Another confession: “As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too. Journalists can and do get away with lying; politicians and staff can’t. Nor should they.”

  42. Leigh Lowe

    Does she suggest bonking was going on, or that people asked whether bonking was going on?

    Mmmyes, nice hair-split.
    Did she canvass the possibility (as an objective observer should) that a malicious whispering campaign was started by :-
    (1) incompetent ministers who were being held to account for shit performance;
    (2) restless backbench nobodies who suddenly realise that their fortuitous political careers which were built on the back of Abbott’s demolition of Gillard in 2010, but their destiny was to be “political capital” casualties of any tough policy decisions;
    (3) a vicious tactic by a ‘stop-at-nothing’ Waffleworth in his quest for the top job.
    All plausible, even likely, scenarios not addressed by the Sav.
    No.
    She’s a third rate gossip columnist and a bitter old slag.
    In other words, she is to politics what the Caroline Wilson is to football.

  43. Sinclair Davidson

    She said the rumours were rife that bonking was going on and then proceeds to build the case by saying things like Abbott ate off Credlin’s plate, Credlin rested her head on his shoulders etc etc

    Indeed rumours were rife, and that’s why the rumours were rife.

  44. Leigh Lowe

    Looks like you lot are shooting the defaming slag messenger.

    FIFY.

  45. Leigh Lowe

    Indeed rumours were rife, and that’s why the rumours were rife.

    So that’s fact is it?
    Any actual proof?

  46. egg_

    Is it in the “Specials’ bin yet?

  47. I am the Walras, Equilibrate, and Price-Take

    Sinclair Davidson
    #1970035, posted on March 8, 2016 at 6:24 pm
    Looks like you lot are shooting the messenger.

    Would she report rumours that Turnwit was riding the hobby horse with Woolcock?

  48. Anonandon

    Tintarella di Luna : Sprunt – a feminine hygiene spray (hat tip: George Carlin)

  49. Leigh Lowe

    Would she report rumours that Turnwit was riding the hobby horse with Woolcock?

    No.
    Because pwivacy.

  50. Leigh Lowe

    Is it in the “Specials’ bin yet?

    Dunno.
    The ones I ‘edited’ at Dymocks might be.

  51. Gab

    Never forget that Savva was a rampant leftard before her foray onto the conservative side over the last 6 or 7 years. Rumour has it, she was bonking a conservative on the side and they recently broke up and hence her reversion to leftardedness.. Just a rumor I was told.

  52. OldOzzie

    Sinclair,

    the Woman describes herself in that Laurie Oakes Article as

    So Greek: Confessions of a Conservative Leftie

    Then describes herself perfectly

    She writes: “When it comes to scheming and lying, plain old hypocrisy, and dishonesty, journalists – apart from a few honourable exceptions – win hands down. If you can call it winning.”

    She agrees with Ronald Reagan’s former speechwriter Peggy Noonan that “modern political journalism is a protection racket” where politicians are either sources or targets.

    According to Savva: “It’s like that here. Charmers and bullies. Bribers and blackmailers. Blabbers and users. First, a journalist will ask nicely; then, if that doesn’t work, intimidation might.”

    The comments will provoke resentment in the Press Gallery, but Savva is not being holier than thou. She is brutally honest about the way she herself operated as a political journalist.

    “I learned to slice and dice anyone who deliberately fed out misleading information, or who spoke to others and not me,” she says.

    If a backbencher refused to leak information to her about party meetings, she never mentioned that MP’s name in a story again – “unless they had done something wrong, of course”.

    Another confession: “As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too. Journalists can and do get away with lying; politicians and staff can’t. Nor should they.”

    When she became Costello’s press secretary, a major concern was: “Could I really bear to put up with people like me?”

    Savva reveals that various journalists went into a “losers’ file” that she kept as Costello’s press secretary.

    But cuttings on some Liberal MPs went in there too – including Tony Abbott.

    What an Embittered, Sad, Old Woman whose Husband like to pat females on the backside

    HE DROVE Malcolm Fraser’s getaway car, a white Ford Fairlane, from Government House on the day of Gough Whitlam’s dismissal, and once patted Margaret Thatcher’s bottom.

    Vincent Woolcock, 75 next January, is one of the familiar old faces in Malcolm Turnbull’s office,

    Married to political columnist Niki Savva, a critic of the Abbott administration whom Peta Credlin campaigned to have sacked from The Australian newspaper, Mr Woolcock famously patted Mrs Thatcher’s bottom in 1977.

    After finding himself in the Prime Minister’s suite at the Savoy Hotel he had a jocular exchange with Mrs Thatcher, then opposition leader, before patting her on the bottom.

  53. JC

    Look, I’m one of those people totally fed up with Abbott. I believed all the stories about his office being dysfunctional because it went on for a long time. If Savva had kept to this storyline without talking to Abbott or Credlin it would have been fine with me. But she didn’t. She went on to report the bonking rumors without a shred of evidence. I think that’s disgraceful.

    She was interviewed on 7.30 Report. No disclosure her squeeze works for Turnbull. None!

  54. Rabz

    Rumour has it, she was bonking a conservative on the side

    So, there was a “perception” she was bonking a conservative on the side, eh?

    Interesting. I didn’t think there were men on this planet with so little taste. On the other hand, he may have been blind (or vision impaired) or an alcoholic.

  55. Gab

    I believed all the stories about his office being dysfunctional because it went on for a long time.

    Dysfunctional in what way? In the way trunbull described it? Really? I’m pretty sure Abbott’s staff turnover has been very low over the past 12 years.

  56. egg_

    Not even the the coined word beginning with s and ending in -unt adequately describes this purveyor of filth and putridity.

    ‘A silly bunt’ c/- Monty Python?

  57. Gab

    I never said it was a male, Rabz.

  58. Sinclair Davidson

    As I said – shooting the messenger. Now the fact is I don’t think that he was, but, as Savva indicates, the question was asked.

  59. JC

    Gab

    I believe she ran the office without any adult supervision by Abbott. He appeared to me to be too distant. One of the major reasons given in the first attempt to unseat him was exactly that.

  60. Gab

    JC I’m talking about his staff not the bedwetting sookyla-las in the Abbott ministry.

  61. Crossie

    Never forget that Savva was a rampant leftard before her foray onto the conservative side over the last 6 or 7 years. Rumour has it, she was bonking a conservative on the side and they recently broke up and hence her reversion to leftardedness.. Just a rumor I was told.

    Vile people believe the worst of others because they use their own actions as benchmarks.

  62. candy

    Aussiepundit

    Can I ask

    If Ms Savva said there was a definite perception of p***ophilia or wife bashing going on by TA, would you still say that was quite a fair thing to put in a book for the public to read without troubling to ask the people concerned?

  63. min

    Credlin has worked at high levels for Liberal ministers for 16 years. Do you really think that someone as Savva describes would have been promoted ? As to the remarks about Abbott could not have done his job without her, tell me one CE O that does not have an office manager who runs the place, protects the boss etc. who were the Libs that complained? As for gooey looks have a look at Bishop’s eyes on Malcolm, She positively drools.

  64. Leigh Lowe

    As I said – shooting the messenger. Now the fact is I don’t think that he was, but, as Savva indicates, the question was asked.

    I’ve heard Savva has been fudging her expenses at the Oz.
    Runs into thousands every year.

  65. H B Bear

    Savva still out flogging this dead octopus on ALPBC radio Perth this afternoon.

    The ALPBC must be pleased to be able to report this unsourced hearsay thus freeing up their own Barbequed Refugee Specialists and Nauru Child Rape Correspondents to work on their own fictions.

  66. egg_

    The ones I ‘edited’ at Dymocks might be.

    ‘Autographed’ copies?

  67. BarBar

    Aw, settle down – Niki’s a tough bitch without principles but at least she doesn’t pretend to have any. This is where ya should be looking:

    Ms Concetta Fierravanti-Wells- the February nomination for Political Snakette In The Grass of the Year, is who traded the affair story to Savva for future glowing endorsements of Ms Concetta’s abilities to the Prime Minister of Waffle, Bullshit and No Decisions.
    The conduit likely being from the spousal bedmate of Ms Savva who just happens to be one of the PM’s key advisors.

    March nomination for the title is Senator Ms Michaelia Cash, coming from behind just pipping Senator Ms Marise Payne by publicly declaring that the public slimy trashing of Credlin is not an issue of gender.

    Informed observers say the real reason for Ms Cash’s success in unexpectedly winning the March nomination is the belief that Ms Payne, the most unqualified and possibly incompetent Defence Minister in Australia’s history, will have infinite possibilities for Ms Payne to gain nominations during April May, June, July – the rest of this government’s term. Whereas Ms Cash was such a nonentity and blatant prime ministerial suck a March nomination was her last chance.

    Informed observers are still evaluating the likelihood of the unprecedented February 2015 to- September 2015 monthly nominations for Foreign Minister Ms Judas Bishop for Snakette in Grass will result in judges recommending a Snakette in Perpetuity Award.

  68. Leigh Lowe

    The ones I ‘edited’ at Dymocks might be.

    ‘Autographed’ copies?

    Some offending passages have been rendered illegible.

  69. Roger

    Savva’s book tells us more about Savva than about Credlin and Abbott.

    What an own goal.

    Difficult to believe PM Maladroit didn’t know about this book in advance.

    If so, why didn’t he advise her against it?

    Goes to judgment. Which journalist will ask him?

  70. Leigh Lowe

    Has anyone else heard that Nikki Savva has been taking kick-backs from NSW ICAC subjects to keep their names out of the Oz?

  71. Leigh Lowe

    Difficult to believe PM Maladroit didn’t know about this book in advance.
    If so, why didn’t he advise her against it?
    Goes to judgment. Which journalist will ask him?

    Indeed it is difficult to believe.
    Has anyone else heard that the source of the rumour was Maocolm himself?

  72. Rabz

    If Ms Savva said there was a definite perception of p***ophilia or wife bashing going on by TA, would you still say that was quite a fair thing to put in a book for the public to read without troubling to ask the people concerned?

    LOL, Candy. That’s how you do the ol’ “iron fist in a velvet glove” trick, people.

  73. Kool Aid Kid

    Sinclair makes quite fair observations. Seems to me that the bitter result is that the conservative side of politics has blown a very clear opportunity to hold government for a long period. On the evidence – including the evidence of the Credlin prominence – is that Abbott was not up to the job. His failure has put the ALP back in the game even though they remain a pure breed of daleks.
    Abbott is angry and he should not be. His behaviour is gifting seats to Labor. He should take any of the soft options he apparently is offered.

  74. Leigh Lowe

    I’ve heard a rumour that Savva snorts coke at work off the chests of male strippers.
    Can anyone confirm?

  75. Combine Dave

    She said the rumours were rife that bonking was going on and then proceeds to build the case by saying things like Abbott ate off Credlin’s plate, Credlin rested her head on his shoulders etc etc

    Are we such prudish Puritans that such behaviour is now socially inappropriate and requires a white anting insect stabbing you in the back a firing?

    I know this is the internet; and men & women on the internet are often socially inept weirdos, but surely some on here have friends (including close friends) of the opposite gender that they aren’t bonking?

  76. Leigh Lowe

    … would you still say that was quite a fair thing to put in a book for the public to read without troubling to ask the people concerned?

    That’s the crux of it.
    The slapper didn’t bother to ask.

  77. Gab

    I’ve heard a rumour that Savva snorts coke at work off the chests of male strippers.
    Can anyone confirm?

    No but one of the OZ’s ex-employees told me she had to arrange strippers for Savva one time, after hours.

    So … just put 2 and 2 together.

  78. Combine Dave

    I’ve heard a rumour that Savva snorts coke at work off the chests of male strippers.
    Can anyone confirm?

    Wrong.

    She snorts coke off of the hairy backs of heavily overweight retired union bosses.

    Just repeating a rumour I heard.

    May not be true.

  79. Leo G

    Looks like you lot are shooting the messenger.

    You’re suggesting that Savva was only a messenger of news about Tony Abbott and Peta Credlin, and presented no arguments of her own in that message.
    Sorry Sinclair, but I can’t agree if that is what you imply. Savva has private ends to serve, but wants the public to regard her as an independent observer.

  80. a happy little debunker

    Sinc is right – we are shooting the messenger.

    But whose message is she delivering?

    This uncorroborated sliming and smearing ( by a self admitted liar) appears to fit the Turnbull narrative ALL to easily (especially in light of the verballed rebukes already issued – by Team Turnbull).
    Is Malcolm really so petulant as to set this attack dog?

    I suspect he is far more concerned with remaining a PM – than being a PM.

  81. Gab

    There was a rumour a while back that tunrbull was shagging one of the ABC “journalists”.

    Someone ought to write a book about it.

  82. JMH

    You surprise me, Doomlord.

    Savva is nothing short of gangrenous and thankfully, the affliction has attached itself to Turnbull. A most worthy host.

  83. Ross B

    Journalistic ethics. What a laugh.
    I couldn’t care less if he had an affair.
    So what if his office was uncompromising with the muppets that try to pass themselves off as Liberal parliamentarians. All those bookbinder props under arms looking for self-import as they shuffle in to the chamber to fuck things up more than the last lot. Strike me, what a lame lot we have…
    Savva couldn’t help herself. We should be surprised?
    Really…

  84. candy

    There was a rumour a while back that tunrbull was shagging one of the ABC “journalists”.

    Indeed, there is a “perception” that Mr Turnbull is having an affair with Leigh Sales and thinks she is the most beautiful woman on TV.

  85. Tintarella di Luna

    Difficult to believe PM Maladroit didn’t know about this book in advance.
    If so, why didn’t he advise her against it?
    Goes to judgment. Which journalist will ask him?

    Indeed it is difficult to believe.


    Has anyone else heard that the source of the rumour was Maocolm himself?

    I would put it in the implausible category

  86. Leigh Lowe

    Wrong.
    She snorts coke off of the hairy backs of heavily overweight retired union bosses.
    Just repeating a rumour I heard.
    May not be true.

    Wow!
    That’s the second time I’ve heard that today!
    Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
    Of course, it could explain the “expense fraud” rumours … I mean, coke and strippers cost money.

  87. Tom

    Has anyone else heard that Nikki Savva has been taking kick-backs from NSW ICAC subjects to keep their names out of the Oz?

    No. That was the rumour she spread to deflect attention from the fact that she did the legwork — ringing editors, etc — to keep Albo’s gargantuan appetite for Thai happy endings out of the papers.

    Don’t tell anyone I told you. It’s just a rumour.

  88. Tintarella di Luna

    She snorts coke off of the hairy backs of heavily overweight retired union bosses.
    Just repeating a rumour I heard.
    May not be true.

    Duzzen madda — perception is all

  89. Tintarella di Luna

    Not even the the coined word beginning with s and ending in -unt adequately describes this purveyor of filth and putridity.

    Didn’t get back to clear this up – elhombre, Tyalleyrand, Barking Toad and Anonandon –the word is slunt which was coined to describe the real Julia Gillard but doesn’t quite do justice to the vileness of Ms Perveyor of Putrid herself.

  90. Gab

    Nicholas Reece:

    Most pernicious attempt at character assassination that Australian Politics has ever seen

  91. Stimpson J. Cat

    Salem Savva is proof that witchcraft is still alive and well in Canberra.
    Sadly Tony is no Witchfinder General.

  92. Ross B

    Here’s where 99.9% of journalists are taking us…
    Abbott, with just a bit of an understanding of the dynamics and complexities of the Collins replacement program – including the commercial dynamics with ASC in the frame – happens to comment on a leak that shows Payne and Turnbull have swallowed whole the white-flag draped advice of Defence. In doing so he’s signalling they have no idea how to run the procurement program to the advantage of the country, no way of keeping South Australian voters happy unless the screw the country royally, and no thought to making the replacement program happen in strategic and economically desirable outcomes. By the time Turnbull has retorted – and the media gulped his rhetoric – all we’re left with is “Abbott the wrecker”.
    This would all be fine if we had great stacks of federal dollars to p*ss away on relentless make-work charades.
    Turnbull is bad enough. Turnbull feted by the media is a complete disaster…

  93. DB

    I stopped reading the inconsequential Niki Savva soon after she started her blatant and biased campaign against Tony Abbott and Peta Credlin. I’m surprised that The Australian continued to publish her frequent servings of bile and are now spruikung her book (already at a discount of 35%!).

  94. Stimpson J. Cat

    Looks like you lot are shooting the messenger.

    Not everything is about Essendon man.

  95. Gab

    Rumour has it a certain married professor and media star at RMIT is having an affair with a student. It just a rumour, I’ll put it in a book for all to read and then I’ll make some tenuous observations to back up the rumour. Hey, don’t shoot the messenger.

  96. Anne

    Savva’s Twitter Bio begins:

    Respected Canberra a Press Gallery Journalist.

    Hahaha… Gotta admire the chutzpah.

  97. egg_

    men & women on the internet are often socially inept weirdos

    Is this a Qld thing?

  98. Leigh Lowe

    No. That was the rumour she spread to deflect attention from the fact that she did the legwork — ringing editors, etc — to keep Albo’s gargantuan appetite for Thai happy endings out of the papers.

    Don’t tell anyone I told you. It’s just a rumour.

    I did hear that too.
    Again, if you hear something twice in one day … well I ask you … how could it not be true?

  99. Leigh Lowe

    Savva’s Twitter Bio begins:

    Respected Canberra Press Gallery Journalist Member.

    Hahaha… Gotta admire the chutzpah.

  100. Sinclair Davidson

    Rumour has it a certain married professor and media star at RMIT is having an affair with a student.

    That’s an old rumour dear – that professor married the student.

  101. Gab

    As I said, a “married” professor, not an unmarried one. Just recently too.

    Hey, don’t shoot the messenger!

  102. Sinclair Davidson

    Now guys, I see we’re all working ourselves into a frenzy. The thing is this: you can’t just make up a rumour and then have people deny it. Bob Ellis tried that and got sued. Savva is reporting a rumour and reporting that people confronted Abbott and asked him about it. The people who did confront him have owned to asking him. That makes the rumour “news” as opposed to idle speculation.

  103. Anne

    Errant ‘a’ in there. Stupid iPhone making up stuff. ?

    Still, I oughtn’t shoot the messenger.

  104. Sinclair Davidson

    Just recently too.

    I’ll have to congratulate him when I next see him. Mazeltov I say.

  105. Gab

    You clearly didn’t watch Paul Murray’s take on it, Sinclair.

    So I can hear about a rumour from someone and then not go to the source but ask others if they’ve heard the rumour is true and have them tell me ‘yes, yes it’s true and I even confronted the rumouree about it” and that passes as truth and “news”? That’s pretty fucking sad.

  106. stackja

    Bolt on Price ‘this is starting to stink’

  107. Tom

    The thing is this: you can’t just make up a rumour and then have people deny it.

    Pffft. Your heart’s in the right place, Snic, but you’re so last century. Because hey!, modern journalism.

  108. cynical1

    I remember a rather common perception around these parts that Shorten raped a lady at an ALP
    conference.

    It didn’t get to court, but well, you know what they say about smoke and fire.

    Say, anyone remember that common rumour about Keating and “Rent boys”?

    Nikki? Laurie? Anyone…

  109. Turtle of WA

    Messenger or player?

  110. Glynn

    This messenger should be shot because she is a disgrace as a journalist and has proved from her own words that she has no moral standing or integrity.

  111. a happy little debunker

    Sinc,
    When Sattler asked a PM a personal question based on rumours – he got lambasted and sacked.
    When Piers called it out as a stupidity of a rumour (but repeated the rumour in all its stupidity) – he got lambasted and sacked.

    Nikki Savva has repeated rumours (without corroboration or substance) that have been derided by the former PM’s staff in what appears to be a calculated personal attack, yet faces no repercussions & you suggest that we are working ourselves into a frenzy.

    Obviously someone has – but it aint us!

  112. Sinclair Davidson

    Gab – I’ve just watched the Paul Murray thing and I’m calling “bullshit”. There is too much covering up in Canberra. Many years ago Oakes outed Cheryl Kernot and Biggles as having had an affair and that caused all sorts of consternation – revealing private lives and all that crap. The thing is their private lives had public consequences. So too the rumour of an affair between Abbott and Credlin. As he says, nobody believes it – I don’t – but the relationship between the two lead to collapse of his government and that make it public business.

  113. Anne

    [Anne – please. You are accusing an individual of a crime. Sinc]

  114. Gab
    #1970177, posted on March 8, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    Excellent editorial comment by Paul Murray.

    From your link – “this was just about getting someone you didn’t like”

    A pretty good takedown.

  115. Turtle of WA

    Sinc, do you agree that the ABC shot the messenger when they sacked Piers Ackerman from Onesiders?

  116. Sinclair Davidson

    When Sattler asked a PM a personal question based on rumours – he got lambasted and sacked.
    When Piers called it out as a stupidity of a rumour (but repeated the rumour in all its stupidity) – he got lambasted and sacked.

    Indeed – reflects very poorly on Gillard and the ABC.

  117. mr skeletor

    Look, I’m one of those people totally fed up with Abbott. I believed all the stories about his office being dysfunctional because it went on for a long time.

    How do you explain the current governments dysfunction then?

  118. Anne

    Lawyers!

    Can the injured, insulted and offended parties sue?

  119. but the relationship between the two lead to collapse of his government and that make it public business.

    I disagree – it was the business relationship that was problematic.

  120. mr skeletor

    Sinc you honestly don’t think Savva should have asked Tony and Credlin for comment before publishing?

    I’d expect higher standards of fact-finding from a professor.

  121. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinc, do you agree that the ABC shot the messenger when they sacked Piers Ackerman from Onesiders?

    Yes – at the time we were so critical of the ABC that one of their eunuchs emailed me to complain.

  122. stackja

    Price and Bolt mentioned Glenn Milne sacked.

  123. Sinclair Davidson

    Sinc you honestly don’t think Savva should have asked Tony and Credlin for comment before publishing?

    Maybe, maybe not. For what purpose?

    I’d expect higher standards of fact-finding from a professor.

    I’m unware that Savva is a professor.

  124. Anne

    Sarcasm is illegal now, Sinc?

    I’m always too blunt. For the curious: I addressed Cynical’s rumour, saying I’d heard it too so by Nikki Savva standards it must be [put in a book]

  125. Gab

    but the relationship between the two lead to collapse of his government and that make it public business.

    Based on what evidence?

  126. Sinclair Davidson

    For a start Abbott is no longer PM.

  127. Sinclair Davidson

    Sarcasm is illegal now, Sinc?

    When alleging criminal behaviour? Yes.

  128. Tintarella di Luna

    Respected Decrepit Canberra a Press Gallery Journalist.
    In the interest of accuracy

  129. memoryvault

    For a start Abbott is no longer PM.

    On that score he didn’t need any help.
    He was a self-made failure.

  130. Gab

    For a start Abbott is no longer PM.

    That’s the result of turnbull.

    Still no evidence to support your “but the relationship between the two lead to collapse of his government and that make it public business” comment.

  131. Sinclair Davidson

    I see my typing is worse than usual in the comments above. Sorry about that.

  132. Sinclair Davidson

    Still no evidence to support your “but the relationship between the two lead to collapse of his government and that make it public business” comment.

    Short memory Gab? All of a sudden.

  133. Tom

    Thank you for hosting this discussion, Sinc. It is truly a topic justified by the public interest, yet it would have been shut down by any other media outlet. Be careful, Cats.

  134. Gab

    A few whingeing ministers about their hurty feelings does not evidence make, Sinclair.

  135. Gab

    Be careful, Cats.

    Fair enough. I’ll say no more on the matter.

  136. Tintarella di Luna

    Tony Abbott’s government was destroyed by a dysfunctional Senate and King Cobra Turnbull, Bitchop and a knot of 52 craven, talentless snakes.

  137. Turtle of WA

    “As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too.”

    Not even occasionally but “often“. How weird it is to confess to this in print. The story is by Laurie Oakes as well, definitely not someone out to get her.

    It’s hilarious really. It’s the old logical paradox, and she means it seriously.

    If someone tell you they are a liar, can you believe them?

  138. Arky

    The same people who savaged Abbott for not having enough females in the ministry have shown how they are willing to treat a female in public life, as a means to attack an ideological enemy.
    The last six months have been both astonishing and sickening.
    There are journos and pollies in this country who are much worse than some of us had hitherto realised.

  139. candy

    Sinclair,
    Any senator/former colleague with a grudge could have made up anything, and Niki Savva put it in her book.

    Like I said, someone with a grudge could have said “there’s perception of wife beater” meant he could not do his job properly and Niki Savva puts it in her book.

    Ms Savva is morally corrupt because she doesn’t think she needs to check her information or run it by anyone. Just herself.

  140. Sinclair Davidson

    A few whingeing ministers about their hurty feelings does not evidence make, Sinclair.

    If you say so Gab. I’m just thinking those “whingeing ministers” got to vote on the leadership, along with Tinta’s “52 craven, talentless snakes”.

    I recall the number being 54 – but let’s not quibble. Let me go out on a limb, before I get back to crunching tobacco statistics, that had Abbott followed John Howard’s advice in January 2015 that he’d still be PM today.

  141. Sinclair Davidson

    Now Candy. You know I love you dearly, but really?

  142. Paridell

    Now, now, it was Nikki Savva who came up with “spaghetti and meatballs” to ridicule Barry Jones’s “mind map” diagram for Kim Beazley’s Knowledge Nation policy in 2001. It was largely that phrase that put paid to Beazley’s campaign to be PM. I quote from Jones’ memoirs, A Thinking Reed:

    At the St Albans launch on July 2, after I spoke, Beazley endorsed our document and, as the ABC reported, “staked his political future on a plan for the so-called Knowledge Nation”… The Government used the techniques of spin to ridicule the taskforce’s report and they succeeded brilliantly… The attack was initiated by Treasurer Peter Costello, who dismissed our report as “noodle nation”, and his description of the diagram as spaghetti and meatballs had some wit. Noodle Nation was coined by Brian Loughnane, now the Liberals’ federal director, while spaghetti and meatballs came from Costello’s media adviser, Nikki Savva. Both scored a direct hit and were enthusiastically taken up by David Kemp, then education minister…

    The Australian obviously thought the diagram was hilarious and published six cartoons by Peter Nicholson based on it. The Australian’s Matt Price described the complexity diagram as “crazy, incomprehensible and infamous”. I thought that infamous was rather strong.

    Based on that one never-to-be-forgotten phrase, I think Costello was fully justified in employing Savva!

  143. Tom

    Ms Savva is morally corrupt

    Morals have little to do with it, Candy.

    In a just world, she would be unemployable because she’s a loose cannon who has no professional ethics and has allowed personal hatreds to write her latest book.

  144. I see my typing is worse than usual in the comments above. Sorry about that.

    I know, i miss perview it was my fiend.

  145. candy

    Really, Sinclair.

    Perhaps kind of walk in someone else’s shoes?

    If there was a rumour, an allegation, description of impropriety on your part put in a book distributed around Australia, and it’s totally false and distresses your family are you going to say, “oh, never mind, it’s all good because it’s just a perception by the author of the book. I’m happy she’s writing that”.

  146. C.L.

    Meta-wise, I blame the gutlessness of the Liberal Party (again).
    Gab’s link to Paul Murray explains why. He points out that Sattler and Akerman were sacked for discussing a rumor pertaining to the private affairs of Julia Gillard and Tim Mathieson. Savva, on the other hand, is feted, indulged, respectfully consulted and promoted. We all know the reason for the different outcome: it’s because 98 percent of journalists are left-wingers and extremist left-wingers and they control the media. That being the case, the Liberals should play all hard ball, all the time. But they never do; they’re always hoping to be loved by the media for being Nice To Their Enemies. So next time a Labor leader is accused of rape, don’t keep mum to win a magnanimity prize. Hammer it. When a Labor frontbencher accuses Jews of poisoning water wells, don’t take the high road. Run over the fucker in a truck on the low road. There should be – but there isn’t – Mutual, Assured Destruction in politics when it comes to these sorts of rumors. MAD would make both sides tread carefully. We don’t have it anymore because the media is avowedly out to get Liberals and conservatives. So then, the field has to be leveled. This, by the way, is why conservatives are flocking to Trump.

  147. Viva

    Savva sets out to document how the Abbott-Credlin partnership contributed to the downfall of the Abbott Government. I repeat – how ministers and others perceived that relationship, as confirmed by Fierravanti Wells, is germane to her argument.

    Of course, if Abbott had been approached for a comment he would have denied it.

    And so gentle reader what would you likely think then?

    “Well, he would say that wouldn’t he”.

  148. Sinclair Davidson

    Candy – it is not just a perception by the author of the book. Savva is reporting a perception that Liberal MPs had and confronted Abbott about. Savva did not make up the rumour.

  149. Robber Baron

    Sinclair Davidson
    #1970192, posted on March 8, 2016 at 8:09 pm
    Rumour has it a certain married professor and media star at RMIT is having an affair with a student.

    That’s an old rumour dear – that professor married the student.

    Well, more fact than rumor, right Sinc.

  150. Eddystone

    The same people who savaged Abbott for not having enough females in the ministry have shown how they are willing to treat a female in public life, as a means to attack an ideological enemy.
    The last six months have been both astonishing and sickening.
    There are journos and pollies in this country who are much worse than some of us had hitherto realised.

    Good comment.

    Abbot was done in by a poisonous media that relentlessly attacked him and covered for his enemies.

  151. candy

    Savva did not make up the rumour.

    The thing is anyone can make up a rumour, tell it to the author, and she sticks it in a book without checking with anyone.

    it’s morally corrupt.

  152. Robber Baron

    Viva
    #1970283, posted on March 8, 2016 at 9:05 pm
    Savva sets out to document how the Abbott-Credlin partnership contributed to the downfall of the Abbott Government.

    And all this negative media based on her ‘book’ will contribute to the downfall of the Turnbull Government, no doubt.

    Hawke said it best. “If you can’t govern yourselves, you can’t govern the country.” Turnbull is the real wrecker. Not Abbott.

  153. stackja

    Viva
    #1970283, posted on March 8, 2016 at 9:05 pm
    Of course, if Abbott had been approached for a comment he would have denied it.
    And so gentle reader what would you likely think then?
    “Well, he would say that wouldn’t he”.

    And if the denial was printed in the book it would have given some balance.
    But that is not what was wanted.
    The book is a one-sided hatchet job.

  154. Michael

    “It is why I have never paid attention to a single thing she writes” says Steve Kates.

    More rubbish from Kates. For someone who has never paid attention, you sure write a lot about her. (This took one minute in a google search, I’m sure there are others, but you get the picture.)

    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/05/14/59028/
    http://catallaxyfiles.com/2015/02/12/truth-or-consequences/

  155. stackja

    From the OT

    Geriatric Mayfly
    #1970282, posted on March 8, 2016 at 9:04 pm
    Prescribed book and compulsory reading at the Simons, Bacon & Kingston Academy of Journalism. Road To Ruin. Savva N. (Mills & Boone 2016.) Students are advised, that a fully footnoted edition is still awaiting publication.

  156. old bloke

    If “perceptions” were a problem, imagine the perception if Abbott sacked Credlin. You would be deafened by the howls and screams of MYSOGINIST.

  157. Muddy

    It baffles me that people still refer to ‘journalism’ and ‘journalists.’ Neither now exist. The correct terms are ‘anxiety-porn’ and ‘anxiety-porn pimps.’

    And if I can repost something I added to the mix on the Queer & Atrophied forum last night (and which no-one commented on, bastards): “Having just watched Mel Gibson’s documentary on the Australian Federal Liberal Party, Apocalypto

  158. Viva

    The thing is anyone can make up a rumour, tell it to the author, and she sticks it in a book without checking with anyone.

    This is not a concocted rumour but a perception genuinely held by ministers and confirmed by a specific individual who has gone on the record about what she did.

    Ministers were not muck raking – they were utterly perplexed about the seeming unshakeable hold this woman had over the prime minister.

  159. candy

    Ministers were not muck raking – they were utterly perplexed about the seeming unshakeable hold this woman had over the prime minister.

    You should write for Mills and Boon too, Viva. lol. You are making it up as you go.

  160. Tom

    More rubbish from Kates.

    I’m full of genuine admiration, Steve K. You have an uncanny ability to attract unhinged trolls, which usually means you’re dropping ordnance directly over the target. Excellent work.

  161. gabrianga

    Amazingly SKY’s David Speers (President of the Canberra Press Gallery)had a discussion session about the “damage” the Savva “book” might create for the the Liberals .

    Joining the discussion were

    1. Devout Abbott hater and former President of the Press Gallery Malcolm Farr ,nodding wisely,who reckoned the “book” could wreak havoc within the Liberal Party

    2. Fellow Abbott hater the slightly disheveled and disturbed Kerry Anne Walsh famous for her book on how the media brought down Julia Gillard, titled “The Stalking of Gillard”

    Not one word querying the authenticity of the Savva accusations. Not one mention of perhaps checking in with Abbott or Credlin before rushing to print .

    What a cesspool our National Press Gallery has become and so it continues with yet another famous global warmer guest speaker who is a well known “science advocate” Alan Alda

  162. Leigh Lowe

    Candy – it is not just a perception by the author of the book. Savva is reporting a perception that Liberal MPs had and confronted Abbott about.

    MPs plural?
    The only one I have heard of is Conceita Feverenti-Wells.
    Any others?
    Oh, and she didn’t have the guts to throw that one out there before it all happened.
    I’ve heard a rumour that Feverenti-Wells just invented the story after the event because Maocolm and Water-boy Sinodinos threatened her spot on the Senate ticket.

  163. Savva’s book tells us more about Savva than about Credlin and Abbott.

    What an own goal.

    Of course. I always tell my children that anything bad said about them reflects badly on those who said it, not on you. But it’s a lesson kids don’t learn easily. Or many adults, obviously.

  164. Caveman

    Savas book is a great example of innovation. Never have I been more excitied to be an Australian.

    .Journalists suck.

  165. min

    She had a seeming unshakeable hold over him fact or opinion? That is the trouble make up stories to fit your assumptions . Jumping to conclusions often leads to falling flat on your face.

  166. Ministers were not muck raking – they were utterly perplexed about the seeming unshakeable hold this woman had over the prime minister.

    Viva, you are now, officially, a useful idiot of the left. What are you, twelve?

  167. Muddy

    Journalists anxiety-porn pimps suck

    No need to thank me. I’m looking our for your intellectual wellbeing.

  168. Tintarella di Luna

    “52 craven, talentless snakes”.

    Well if you add in the King Cobra and the Bitchop + 52 = 54

  169. Arky

    What a cesspool our National Press Gallery has become and so it continues with yet another famous global warmer guest speaker who is a well known “science advocate” Alan Alda

    Alan Alda?
    Famous for stinking up 1970’s TV as the most unfunny, sanctimonious anus it would be possible to imagine?
    That Alan Alda?

  170. Muddy

    Stuffed it up. Bollocks. *Sigh*

  171. calli

    She had a seeming unshakeable hold over him fact or opinion?

    Seems like a fact. It’s truthy.

  172. Roger

    Joining the discussion were [d]evout Abbott hater and former President of the Press Gallery Malcolm Farr who reckoned the “book” could wreak havoc within the Liberal Party…[and] [f]ellow Abbott hater…Kerry Anne Walsh

    Looks like SKY is copying their ABC’s tactic of featuring commentators who are in furious agreement with each other.

    How pathetic of David Speers. Are they that afarid of contrary views?

    Seems as though “ethical journalism” really is a fanciful notion…with a few notable exceptions whose salience proves the rule.

  173. calli

    She lured him into serfdom with cakes. It happens.

  174. Roger

    “afraid”.

    Btw, Steve: it’s “Niki” Savva.

  175. C.L.

    Alan Alda is still alive?

  176. Tintarella di Luna

    Abbot was done in by a poisonous media that relentlessly attacked him and covered for his enemies.

    Most assuredly

  177. egg_

    The same people who savaged Abbott for not having enough females in the ministry have shown how they are willing to treat a female in public life, as a means to attack an ideological enemy.

    The Leftoids of a vacuous career Politicians’ party.

  178. Leigh Lowe

    Sinclair Davidson
    #1970267, posted on March 8, 2016 at 8:55 pm
    Now Candy. You know I love you dearly, but really?

    Oi!
    What’s going on here then?
    Does Mrs D know?
    Is this grounds for a rumour to start?

  179. Tintarella di Luna

    Alan Alda is still alive?

    My thought exactly

  180. Lem

    Late to thread. But seriously.

    Who cares if they were bonking, unless it was part of a criminal enterprise, as some have suggested with Gillard and Wilson?

    I feel sorry for Margie and the kids. Just plain embarrassing, for those who didn’t ask to be involved.

    The whole Savva piece playing up the “perceived” sexual element is irrelevant to what Abbott’s problem was as PM.

  181. candy

    Does Mrs D know?
    Is this grounds for a rumour to start?

    I lured Prof D into serfdom with cakes. It happens.

  182. C.L.

    .. I love you …

    So that’s why things have been going down hill around here lately.
    The Sinclair/Candy relationship.

  183. egg_

    What a cesspool our National Press Gallery has become and so it continues with yet another famous global warmer guest speaker who is a well known “science advocate” Alan Alda

    ’cause he’s a Nat Geo presenter qualifies him as much as any ‘climatologist’ to comment on how we’re rooning teh planet?

  184. Savva is being Agile! And Innovative!

    It’s a disruptive technology in wiping your arse.

  185. calli

    It’s not just a rumour…it’s a perception.

  186. Beef

    So rumour had it that hetrosexual married Abbott was porking Credlin. I’m trying to get my head around his also rumoured obvious mysogyny.

  187. Combine Dave

    If you say so Gab. I’m just thinking those “whingeing ministers” got to vote on the leadership, along with Tinta’s “52 craven, talentless snakes”.

    I recall the number being 54 – but let’s not quibble.

    It will be interesting to see what happens when those who dont matter get a chance to vote.

    I’m not looking forward to PM Shorten, but if he does nothing more than oppose Turnbull’s tax hikes then he’ll be a better choice.

  188. Muddy

    The Sinclair/Candy relationship.

    SinCandy? CanSin?

  189. Combine Dave

    .. I love you …

    So that’s why things have been going down hill around here lately.
    The Sinclair/Candy relationship.

    It’s a perception that’s ruining this blog and responsible for its low hit counter results. /kidding

  190. Muddy

    The 54 (who deserve to be) Ronin.

  191. Leigh Lowe

    Alan Alda is still alive?

    And, if so, what is being done about it?

  192. Tintarella di Luna

    Tinta, check your email

    Done now check yours

  193. Tintarella di Luna

    I lured Prof D into serfdom with cakes.

    a chocolate cake no less to be sure

  194. Habib

    It’s a “When did you stop beating your wife” episode, based on hearsay. If nothing else, it illustrates just what a third rate hack and utterly compromised bag of shit Savvaloy is, and always has been. Says more about the gerbils who put her on staff, published her scurrilous and innacurate tort magnets, gave her airtime, or take her partisan perrenium paste seriously.

    She entirely deserves to look like a well chewed mintie.

  195. Leigh Lowe

    She entirely deserves to look like a well chewed mintie.

    A head like a dropped souvlaki (not a rumour – a fact).
    Incidentally, Bolt is reporting that Credlin had a short list of “do not leak to” journos.
    Savvaloy topped the list.
    Payback anyone?

  196. Sinclair Davidson

    a chocolate cake no less to be sure

    Nobody is going to believe I was plied with chocolate cake. Sorry. 🙂 Now condensed milk sandwiches …

  197. egg_

    Payback anyone?

    Savva with the poison pen in the Library?

  198. candy

    Payback anyone?

    It is payback. Something happened where Ms Savva or her husband were disadvantaged or felt neglected by a Liberal government, the Liberal prime minister, or a minister or someone, or most probably a job did not eventuate when they thought it would. It has rankled to this day.

  199. MsDolittle

    Nikki? Laurie? Anyone…
    Jabba the Hutt and the princess.

  200. rafiki

    I can’t see any problem with Senator Fierravanti-Wells telling Abbott that his leadership issues stemmed in part from a perception held by some in the Coalition that he was having an affair with Credlin. On the face of it, that was friendly advice, designed to assist him to remove at least once source of his problems. She may have been urged by others to talk to Abbott, and she may have told others what she did. If all this was kept close to Abbott supporters, well and good. The person(s) who gossiped and/or leaked this transaction outside this circle and in particular to the media are the first of the real bastards. They must have known that a story that some perceived an affair would be taken by others to be evidence that there was or had been an affair. That kind of fallacious reasoning is now all too common. And Savva must know that her publishing the story would have that effect. She – and all the media that have published her account – are the second of the real bastards.

    I admired Sinclair’s insistence that Catallaxy should not be used as a means to report allegations made against Shorten. The fact that an allegation is made is proof only that it was made. In some circumstances, it may be some evidence (but well short of proof) that it is true, but only rarely.

  201. Tintarella di Luna

    Now condensed milk sandwiches

    Stop it, don’t give me any ideas, I have a tin in the cupboard, and me just joined the gym today. Thanks Sinc

  202. Tintarella di Luna

    She – and all the media that have published her account – are the second of the real bastards.

    No they are the top drawer real bastards because that you call the first real bastards only thought it — the others published it, the action speaks to the intent.

  203. Grigory M

    The perception is – she forked him.

  204. candy

    I admired Sinclair’s insistence that Catallaxy should not be used as a means to report allegations made against Shorten. The fact that an allegation is made is proof only that it was made. on.

    Fair enough, but Prof D. is happy to have allegations made against Tony Abbott in the book unchallenged, ie. he believes it with no evidence.

    You know, there has to be a consistency here. If you accep0t allegations, insinuations and perceptions you accept Ms Savva being able to put in a book.

    Therefore, you don’t hide the allegations against Mr Shorten. You put that in a web site. Logic tells one so.

  205. Sinclair Davidson

    Tinta – of course, true condensed milk aficionados suck it straight from the can and don’t worry about the sandwich.

  206. Michelle

    I’ve said in the past Savva is a fluffer for Turnbull. Never before has it been more obvious. Sad The Aussie saw fit to give the ol’ dyed mare the free publicity for her crud instead of ship her to the glue factory. Or is it a paid ad demonstrating innovation for team Turnbull paid for by taxpayers?

  207. Grigory M

    true condensed milk aficionados suck it straight from the can and don’t worry about the sandwich

    Correct – put a hole in either side of the lid and enjoy.

  208. Sinclair Davidson

    Candy – I think you’re over-reacting. The fact is I had also heard such rumours and you’ll find no record of me ever repeating them. Basically because I don’t believe them – but I have no skin in the game. It is entirely reasonable for his party members to ask if the rumours are true and to suggest that even if they are not true that he distance himself from Credlin.

  209. Tintarella di Luna

    Tinta – of course, true condensed milk aficionados suck it is straight from the can and don’t worry about the sandwich.

    or they whip it with 500mls of double cream, some cocoa and chucks of Baci chocolates and make gelato

  210. Sinclair Davidson

    Correct – put a hole in either side of the lid and enjoy.

    In the old country they started manufacturing condensed milk cans with ring tabs so you didn’t need make a hole.

  211. Habib

    Head like a smashed crab. A rivetter’s glove. A dropped pie. A bulldog licking piss off a nettle. None of these are unsubstantiated rumours, unlike claims Savvaloy is a journalist.

    Besides which, what sort of drooling hydrocephalus gives a shit if Abbott was playing hide the sausage with Credlin? Could it be the jealous fantasy of a dessicated old boot for whom the entire planets supply of viagra couldn’t get any action from a deaf and dumb priapretic?

  212. Sinclair Davidson

    me just joined the gym today

    Look on the bright side. A 22.5kg sandbag across the shoulders and walking on the treadmill elevated to 15 degrees at 5.5km/h will burn over 100 calories in 5 minutes. About 20 minutes should take care of the condensed milk can.

    Just being helpful. 🙂

  213. Tintarella di Luna

    Just being helpful. 🙂

    It’s part of your enduring charm Sinc, that’s why I visit so often – I’ll have to ease myself into it my bone density is a little sub-optimal

  214. Tim Neilson

    Habib
    #1970374, posted on March 8, 2016 at 10:07 pm
    scurrilous and innacurate tort magnets
    Apposite in this case. The defence of truth and fair comment is not available to anxiety-porn pimps just because it’s true that “there’s a rumour that…”. Even if they’re totally innocent Abbott and Credlin almost certainly won’t sue, but if they did, then Savva and her publisher could be in a lot of trouble.

  215. candy

    It is entirely reasonable for his party members to ask if the rumours are true and to suggest that even if they are not true that he distance himself from Credlin.

    It’s why Bill Shorten and Labor are being quiet. Anyone can drag up a rumour or perception in the press now, with no evidence. Ms Savva has made that possible.

    In no way will Bill Shorten talk about an affair between Ms Credlin and Tony Abbott. He will become fair game and some of his party (ie, Tony Burke).

  216. Aussiepundit

    Who cares if they were bonking,

    It would explain why he gave her position such unprecedented power;
    why he refused to fire her when senior cabinet ministers insisted that he do so;
    why he sided with her when she had a falling out with the nation’s foreign minister;
    why he attacked and slandered his own party colleagues as sexists because they dared criticise her;
    why he could not see that she had become the story and therefore had to go.

  217. Talleyrand

    I see that Nikki Savva has had a new hair style

  218. Aussiepundit

    It’s why Bill Shorten and Labor are being quiet. Anyone can drag up a rumour or perception in the press now, with no evidence. Ms Savva has made that possible.

    Oh, you dill.
    Abbott deserved to be thrown out of the leadership position with extreme prejudice. Now you know why.
    And Savva was, and is, the only one with the courage to say it publicly.

  219. Habib

    Jeebus Old Mate, have you got a bonk-on for the meeja mummy as well as Lord Lewak? One sick fuck.

  220. slow&easy

    Aussiepundit

    I can sense that you have something against M T Abbott.

    On a different note, not that I’m interested in gossip mongering of any kind, according to some here, one only has to have a source who may or may not have had asked the party/parties involved about the veracity of the rumor then pass it on and bingo, it’s all legit now to spread it.

    I find that strange.

  221. rafiki

    Aussie – I am with you about tossing out Abbott, and Savva could not be criticised for detailing all the reasons why. The point made against her is that there was no good reason – and plenty pointing the other way – for her to make public the story that Abbott was warned about what some perceived to be his improper behaviour. Apart from its scandalous nature, it just adds nothing to the scales weighing in favour of switching to Turnbull.

  222. Combine Dave

    Even if they’re totally innocent Abbott and Credlin almost certainly won’t sue, but if they did, then Savva and her publisher could be in a lot of trouble

    He should.

    Leaving these lies rumours unchallenged is tantamount to admitting they are true.

  223. slow&easy

    Combine Dave

    Leaving these lies rumours unchallenged is tantamount to admitting they are true.

    CD
    Haven’t finished the book yet but in one respect she or her lawyer was clever enough to close that door.
    As far as I can tell from my reading she only repeats gossip without actually stating it for true fact.
    A real nasty piece of writing.

  224. rafiki

    slow&easy – I don’t think that you can avoid liability for defamation by saying ‘all I am doing is saying what other people are saying’. You are still publishing the defamatory matter, and saying that you don’t know whether it’s true of false makes it worse.

  225. ella

    Turtle of WA
    #1970256, posted on March 8, 2016 at 8:49 pm
    “As a journalist I lied often, usually about my sources, but about other things, too.”

    “Not even occasionally but “often“. How weird it is to confess to this in print. The story is by Laurie Oakes as well, definitely not someone out to get her.

    It’s hilarious really. It’s the old logical paradox, and she means it seriously.

    If someone tell you they are a liar, can you believe them?

    Yes, if they tell you about what they are lying.

    The liar’s paradox: ” I am lying”. ( The statement) is simultaneously true and false. Is it ” a statement?”
    Here we are using lying to refer to itself. It is meaningless, devoid of meaning – in German, sinnlos (Ludwig Wittgenstein). “I am lying” must be expressed as a properly constructed logical formula. You have to say about what you lying – assign the statement a truth value.

    I’m stopping at this point. It’s a long explanation.

    Hope this helps.

  226. Noodles Romanoff

    Even if the “messenger’s” relayed rumour was true how does this make Abbott’s Government a “mess”? If porking the secretary was a sackable offence the world would probably have avoided the industrial revolution.

  227. C.L.

    I admired Sinclair’s insistence that Catallaxy should not be used as a means to report allegations made against Shorten. The fact that an allegation is made is proof only that it was made. In some circumstances, it may be some evidence (but well short of proof) that it is true, but only rarely.

    See, for example, Cardinal Pell.
    Can you spot the contradiction in our media culture?
    We ‘admire’ ourselves for doing the right thing and do nothing when that favour is not returned.

  228. Leigh Lowe

    The Sav most be thinking about retiring.
    I mean, who in their right mind would return a call from her after this?

  229. Notafan

    So ‘the affair ‘ is the only reason Abbott had to go?

    Wow.

    What happened to the laundry list from last September?

  230. JohnA

    rafiki #1970391, posted on March 8, 2016 at 10:24 pm

    I can’t see any problem with Senator Fierravanti-Wells telling Abbott that his leadership issues stemmed in part from a perception held by some in the Coalition that he was having an affair with Credlin. On the face of it, that was friendly advice, designed to assist him to remove at least once source of his problems.

    Why wasn’t there any attempt to establish whether Mr Abbott dealt with the perception? Otherwise the logic of her argument fails.

    The claim is that there was something between Mr Abbott and Peta Credlin which affected his perspective on the job of PM, and the running of his office. If so, then it might be legitimate to report the rumours about the perception, and the “confrontation”, but then it would also be necessary to establish that Mr Abbott did not deal with the perception, thereby contributing to the government’s failures, and ultimately his replacement as Party leader and PM.

    In the absence of such “journalistic endeavour”, I would disagree with our Doomlord that there is nothing wrong with publishing and, therefore, to ask Cats to lay off the heavy attacks.

    Sorry – the hypothesis fails for lack of
    a) moral integrity
    and
    b) verified content or, to put it another way, there was no falsifiability testing.

  231. Gab

    It’s not just a rumour…it’s a perception.

    Ah it must be true then.

    No evidence needed.

  232. Aussiepundit

    I can sense that you have something against M T Abbott.

    Yeah. This.;

    So ‘the affair ‘ is the only reason Abbott had to go?

    No, he had to go for all the reasons I outlined last year. But this is the reason, as I said above, to throw him out with extreme prejudice.

    Parties go to a lot of fucking effort to install someone into the seat of power, and those people should therefore treat the seat of power with respect and treat those who put them there with respect. nYet Abbott put Credlin before everyone else.

  233. Aussiepundit

    Anyway, I included Credlin as part of the case against Abbott last year:

    He gave his chief of staff unprecedented executive power and then mocked people who said that this was out of order.

    and

    He attacked and denigrated his own parliamentary colleagues, in public, in the media, because they insisted that he fire his chief of staff. Removing him immediately became a matter of personal integrity for other members of cabinet. What politician of any character is going to support a leader who is out in public, calling them weak and sexist? Because of this particular error, removing Abbott was not only strategically right, but moral and just.

  234. Aussiepundit

    Why wasn’t there any attempt to establish whether Mr Abbott dealt with the perception?

    He went on television and pretty much told them to fuck off.

  235. feelthebern

    There hasn’t been as much scrutiny of Senator Connie as there should have been.
    After backing Mr Diaz to the hilt in his failed bid for Greenway in successive elections (& making veiled threats to any challengers) she believed she was demoted when she didn’t get a ministerial gig post the 2013 election.
    She’s had shit on the liver ever since.
    As much as she should be applauded for being one of the only pollies speaking out about the atrocities being committed against Coptic Christians in Egypt, she now joins the illustrious club of Pyne, Brough, Bishop (x2) of disloyal, dishonest Judases.

  236. TC

    If the people telling you to sack your chief of staff are the same people leaking against you , a public fuck off would be justified .

  237. calli

    Tinta – of course, true condensed milk aficionados suck it straight from the can and don’t worry about the sandwich.

    People of taste and refinement use a teaspoon. It is a scientific fact that fewer calories can fit on a teaspoon, regardless of how many times it goes to the condensed milk fountain. Also double dipping means the can of goodness is yours and yours alone.

    Bone density is no problem for me. Hip density is another story. Can’t imagine why.

  238. Aussiepundit

    No evidence needed.

    Not sure what you’re waiting for, Gab.

    There’s no instagram selfie of them in flagrante on the Prime Minister’s desk.

  239. herodotus

    Are there still any “the media doesn’t make any difference” people out there?

  240. Combine Dave

    Wow… totally unrepentant.

    Anyway, it’s pretty obvious that all this constant Abbott bashing – narrative creation is for when they bomb out at the next election.

    The reality is it won’t be Abbotts’ fault they lose, but that of a failed opposition leader turned failed PM.

  241. Leigh Lowe

    What is the latest on the animal cruelty story about Turnbull?

  242. egg_

    I don’t think that you can avoid liability for defamation by saying ‘all I am doing is saying what other people are saying’. You are still publishing the defamatory matter, and saying that you don’t know whether it’s true of false makes it worse.

    Isn’t malicious intent the issue and resultant Damages to ones reputation (plus legal costs)?

  243. BarBar

    rafiki
    I can’t see any problem with Senator Fierravanti-Wells telling Abbott that his leadership issues stemmed in part from a perception held by some in the Coalition that he was having an affair with Credlin.

    The problem is not with Fierravanti-Wells telling Abbott of this perception.

    The problem is Fierravanti-Wells running off to Savva with the story, thereby giving Savva the cover to publish the rumour.

    The further problem is that Fierravanti-Wells was promoted to shadow ministry as shadow Minister for Mental Health and Ageing but after the election Abbott demoted her to parliamentary secretary.
    Earlier this year Turnbull made her a minister again.
    This appointment now can be seen as (1) Turnbull’s reward to Fierravanti-Wells for her favour in enabling Savva to put the affair rumour into the public domain, and (2) FVW utter treachery to the then prime minister and his COS.

    And the further problem, the big, big, big problem, is that the treachery of Liberal figures like FVW who went on the record to Savva will ignite white hot rage in the Liberal base.

    White hot. And will get hotter the longer the silence of Turnbull and ministers at the sliming of the previous chief of staff goes on.

    You just all watch and marvel how clever little Bill and comrades exploit this.

  244. Kool Aid Kid

    Candy et al: I think you miss the point Sinclair is making. Clearly MPs were bewildered at the behaviour and status of Abbotts COS. Not least that she was so prominent and such a constant presence even in Cabinet, where she did not belong. She made that discomfort worse when she expressly asserted that the election victory was her own.
    The fact CFW not only confronted them both but now confirms publicly that she did so says a lot about the party’s discomfort. Note that her request was not that Abbott end a personal relationship but that he sack his COS. Sadly he could not and that is the story of the Liberal Party today. Just as they promoted a successor to Howard that they could not in the end support they promoted Abbott over Turnbull out of desperation rather than conviction.
    End result: Shorten the winner. It is a miserable time and I fear that a reason is that our side is pre selecting daleks in catch up race with the ALP. (I seriously pray that the next senator from Victoria is not one of those yet his CV bears unmistakable characteritics.)

  245. Aaron

    If the people telling you to sack your chief of staff are the same people leaking against you , a public fuck off would be justified.

    This is correct. The leaking, background and undermining against Credlin and to some extent Hockey was not done with the intention of assisting or improving the government. They were simply attempts to chip away and wear down Abbott to clear the way for Turnbull to seize what he has always believed to be his birthright. It is preposterous to think that had Abbott sacked Credlin that Turnbull, Bishop and Pyne would have been satisfied and put their shoulder to the wheel to support the Prime Minister. They knew that to destroy Abbott they would have to take Credlin out.

  246. feelthebern

    Spot on BarBar.
    Are you new around these parts?

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