The “I will resign as soon as elected” party

If it is still possible, someone must run in Wentworth as part of the “I will resign as soon as elected” party which will have only a single policy: if elected I will resign the moment the Liberal Party chooses a new leader. Is it too late? This is from Andrew Bolt:

Turnbull Government ministers and influential backbenchers at first did not believe me when I reported that Malcolm Turnbull had quietly had a Greens candidate, Lin Hatfield Dodds, made one of the deputy secretaries of his Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, in charge of his social policy.

Incredible, but true.

Here is how Hatfield Dodd’s job was first advertised, suggesting the power this Greens candidate will now have with Turnbull, whose slogans shape the job description.

Go to the link and read it all. Perhaps Labor really is the lesser of two evils.

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91 Responses to The “I will resign as soon as elected” party

  1. Louis Hissink

    Meh, if it is a PS appointment, and the ALP win, she will probably be retained in the PM’s department, so it’s Twiddle-Dumb and Twiddle-Dee that we are faced with.

    A spoiler vote is prescribed, if that is possible. I’m in Eden-Monaro so it’s going to be interesting as well.

  2. incoherent rambler

    You edit and repost this without the word “Perhaps”.

  3. Fisky

    One of her briefs will be immigration. It’s incredible.

  4. Fisky

    Any libertarian Turnbull supporters want to justify this?

  5. allan

    Even if you agree with her position on Gillard’s carbon tax and her assessment of Swan’s last budget which I do not, you would have to be gobsmacked with the job description. The position’s purpose is no less than to spy on line departments to ensure they toe Turnbull’s line. How can we have ministerial accountability when PM&C has a licence to intervene in education, health etc programs and policies?

    This is worse than a presidential system of government such as the US’s where there is genuine separation of powers. Turnbull is concentrating all executive power in his own department. This amounts to dictatorship of the bureaucracy.

  6. thefrollickingmole

    Maocolms mendicants meandering moonchingly towards your super fund.

    Because only the government knows how to spend wisely citizen.

    I dislike Lord Waffle more than the Beaconfield Aardvark, which is setting some real new lows.

  7. Nicholas (Excentrality!) Gray

    Palmer is looking better and better! We should trump both parties!

  8. Harald

    A candidate can run in that seat, but I doubt that it would make a difference. The trouble may very well be that electorates like Wentworth support this stuff.

    Turnbull needs a 35% 2PP swing against to lose his seat. And the Greens are about as large as Labor in that seat.

    It is not like those people had no idea what Turnbull represented. They knew what they voted for.

    One cannot blast Turnbull out of that seat. Isolating him is the best we can do:
    Kick out as any as possible of those who voted for him during the spill.

  9. teddy bear

    The best outcome we could possilby get this election is an ALP win with the senate controlled by no one. So long as Labour and the greens don’t control the senate, the ALP will probably blow themseleves up inside three years anyway as I seriously doubt Shorten will last long as PM before coping a knife in the back.

    Whatever happens I think we are bound to see some impressive fireworks from both parties in the next few years. It truly is an exciting time to be alive.

  10. Judith Sloan

    She is chair of the Australia Institute – say no more. She doesn’t have a proper job so this is seriously remunerative promotion.

  11. A Lurker

    I favour Decimation.

    In the age of the Roman legions, army units that mutinied, fled in the face of the enemy or under-performed in combat could be singled out for group punishment in the form of decimation.

    Under such a sentence, a body of troops would be divided into sections of 10 men. One soldier from each group would be chosen at random, usually through a lottery. The unlucky infantryman would then to be beaten to death by his comrades. The sentences were carried out immediately regardless of the victim’s rank, reputation or even involvement in the transgression in question. The fatal blows were typically with clubs — a practice the Romans called fustuarium.

    Mind you punishment of 10% is insufficient – there needs to be wholesale electoral slaughter, followed by such a shaming that the name ‘Liberal Party’ is officially removed from history, just as references to Legions XVII, XVIII and XIX were removed from the Roman Army’s order of battle after their humiliating defeat in the Battle of Teutoburg Forest.

  12. stackja

    Perhaps Labor really is the lesser of two evils.

    No! I assume sham marriage is not on MT agenda.

  13. old bloke

    Australia is stuffed regardless of whether Turnbull or Shorten win the election, it’s either socialist party 1 or socialist party 2. I’ll be voting WDM is the HoR and conservative (ALA) in the Senate. We can only hope that neither of the two major parties ends up with control of the Senate.

  14. egg_

    Perhaps Labor really is the lesser of two evils.

    At least, a vote for Labor means you know what you’re getting (yourself into).

  15. PeterF

    Don’t forget Maocolm has the little problem of the Nats to deal with if he goes all out green. They play hardball and he had to sign an agreement before they would support him as PM. He cannot hope to govern if they don’t join a coalition. As I wrote elsewhere, he may become the shortest re-elected PM in history.

  16. Des Deskperson

    Some interesting things about the process.

    According to the job ad, it’s a brand new position. Applications closed on 14 April and the engagement was, well, let slip, on 4 May, so the SES selection process – normally involving shortlisting, interviews, referee follow-ups and approval by the Australian Public Service Commissioner – took a little less than three weeks. This is surely a record for a Dep Sec engagement.

    So basically, the job was made for her and the outcome was decided long before the selection, err, process. I can’t see any salary info in the ad – and SES remuneration is usually expressed in therms of a ‘range’ but the median ‘total remuneration package’ – base salary, employer super, car, car parking, and other perks – for an SES Band 3 is about $400,000. That’s median! Hers is likely to be rather further toward the top of the range: $450,000 pa?

  17. Ant

    Labor is too ‘conservative’ for Maol.

    He’s more comfortable with his Green slippers on.

  18. Harald

    This person will now be paid to be an activist for the other side. A rat in the ranks.

    This one will be to Turnbull what Mundine was to Abbott:
    You elevate the rat into a position of influence.
    You go hard on whatever lefty-greeny obsession you share with them (Abbott’s case: Aboriginal recognition in the constitution, Turnbull’s case: Climate change).
    You go against your base, divide your party room and membership and all manner of strife and instability ensues.
    As thankyou, they’ll stab you in the back.

    Let’s do it again. It worked so well the last time.

  19. Luke

    I got to admit I never trusted Malcom Turnbull, just as I’ve never trusted any of Goldman’s men. But between the failure to address Australia’s housing bubble, the Super tax that lets off DB members, the failure (yet again) to reduce government funded leftist institutions and this appointment of a Green to PMC – I will be voting Labor this year.

    The Liberal party is in a dire need to learn the lesson that BS artists are not want people want. It needs to be punished for it’s delusion that Kevin Rudd 2.0 should be promoted instead of booted out and that sucking up to the ABC and leftist media (or a leader that promises votes by doing so) is damaging rather than helpful.

  20. Luke

    Keeping in mind that I wish to punish Liberals, I am open to other suggestions of how I should vote this election instead of Labor.

  21. Leo G

    What’s Niki’s spin
    on Linda/Lin?

  22. Tim Neilson

    Luke
    #2024384, posted on May 9, 2016 at 12:31 pm
    Whatever you do, put minor conservative and libertarian candidates ahead of Labor. If you just vote Labor, the Coalition will certainly conclude that they need to go harder left. (I think they’re stupid or treacherous enough to go harder left on the basis of a 2pp Labor victory even if minor conservatives and libertarians get a massive first preference vote, so I’ll be voting informal with lots of anti-Termite obscenities on the ballot paper, but others on this site are more optimistic about a formal conservative/libertarian first, Liberal last ballot.)

  23. memoryvault

    Keeping in mind that I wish to punish Liberals, I am open to other suggestions of how I should vote this election instead of Labor.

    If you just vote Labor, it will be interpreted by the Liberals that they haven’t gone far enough left.
    If you record an informal vote with “WDM” on your voting slip, you tell them they lost a vote because they went too far left. Numerically the effect on the result is the same.

    An added bonus is that if Bernardi and the renegades are indeed planning a conservative split from the Liberals immediately after the election, it gives them a quantifiable indication of electoral support.

  24. Harald

    Luke,
    I am in a safe Liberal seat, so I will vote Labor outright for the Lower house.
    (Had I been in a marginal seat, I might have given that a little more thought.)

    For the senate vote, I will vote under the line for ALA, Family first and perhaps LDP if I have to to round out the 12.

    The reasoning is simple:
    Punish Liberals if you can in the lower house.
    Regardless of whether we have a Shorten or Turnbull government, crucial is that we have a hostile senate with the right kind of independents. Because we have two bad lower house options on the table, senate gridlock is the best outcome this cycle.

  25. Entropy

    Just don’t put the one bs first on you HoR ticket. They lose the public funding for your vote. A message in itself, without the discomfort of actually knowing you elected the disaster which is the unreformed ALP. As someone noted earlier, at least the Libs have the Nats to control their more stupid social and environmental policy thought bubbles. Pity about the Nats and economic policy though.

  26. Des Deskperson

    ‘Meh, if it is a PS appointment, and the ALP win, she will probably be retained in the PM’s department, so it’s Twiddle-Dumb and Twiddle-Dee that we are faced with.

    A spoiler vote is prescribed, if that is possible. I’m in Eden-Monaro so it’s going to be interesting as well.’

    There would be plenty of Labor apparatchiks both within or outside the APS who would love that job, depends on how much a Labor government needs Greens support. I can’t find any information about when she actually begins in the job, except that it is July. Turnbull clearly wanted it all sown up before the caretaker period, like a great deal other stuff, from what people are telling me .

    Mr Hissink, Eden Monaro should be interesting because, as discussed in another thread, ex Canberra tree-changers and the redrawn boundaries – loosing Batemans Bay – Moruya and picking up areas further inland – would seem to mean it is now rather more likely to go to Labor whatever the overall outcome. Interesting, Eden-Monaro’s most ‘progressive’ polling area – Central Tilba, nearly 70% Labor on a two party preferred basis in 2013 – is also full of the worst sort of arty, self-consciously ‘alternative’ lumpen bourgeoise.

  27. memoryvault

    Please note the above comment applies to the HoR only. In the Senate, vote below the line for conservatives – there are plenty to choose from.

  28. Entropy

    Why would you vote for someone promising that? If they won you would end up in a by election in short order. I hate voting for the bastards as it is, and you want to make me do it twice?

  29. Mayan

    Why choose the lesser evil?

    Or maybe, as Mae West once said, “Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.”

  30. Bruce of Newcastle

    Let us also recall that Turnbull appointed chief carbon tax honcho Martin Parkinson head of the department that he has just appointed ex-Green Lin Hatfield-Dodds deputy of.

    I think that pretty much tells us in advance what he is planning to do after the election.

  31. Baldrick

    Turnbull Government ministers and influential backbenchers at first did not believe me when I reported that Malcolm Turnbull had quietly had a Greens candidate, Lin Hatfield Dodds

    … and they call me a Del-con. Ha!

  32. Leo G

    “Between two evils, I always pick the one I never tried before.”

    The slogan still needs something. How about adding “Turnbull fell short, don’t sell short Shorten”?

  33. Entropy

    I wonder if Hatfield-Dodds is from SA?

  34. Beef

    8 weeks of Turnbull on the ABC, they won’t enquire as to any reasoning.

  35. Mayan

    8 weeks of Turnbull on the ABC, they won’t enquire as to any reasoning.

    ” we are presented with the ridiculous spectacle of one (as the ancients said) “milking the he-goat, and the other holding a sieve.”

  36. Mr Skeletor

    Perhaps Labor really is the lesser of two evils.

    Every defense that Sinc, Devine, Sava and the rest of Waffles’ Wankers come up with is based on Liberal’s history, not on the current team. There is no doubt in my mind Liberals are in no way, shape or form better than Labor. Waffels’ fiscal brilliance has been proven to be an utter crock. On every public issue he is to the left of Shorten. So why vote for them short of you support the libs like you would a footy team?

    Anyone who is preferencing Libs over Labor is an utter dickhead.

  37. sabena

    My local member(Paul Fletcher) has 5 strikes to his name:-
    1.He voted for Turnbull.
    2.He announced green subsidies for councils from the Clean Energy Finance Corporation.
    3.He announced the extension of benefits for Norfolk Island residents which will turn them into mendicants like many Tasmanians.
    4.He announced restrictions on the flight paths for Sydney West airport.
    5.As part of the government,he agreed to the changes to superannuation.
    So he won’t be getting my vote.

  38. srr

    Gotta ‘luv’ those still playing stupid on who’s doing what, why and for which mob –


    https://www.facebook.com/AusTeaParty/videos/893321430703081/

    The Australian Tea Party
    Lord Monckton explains how Tony Abbott’s stance against the global warming scam could lead to him being removed before the United Nations Climate Change Conference on December 11, 2015: Tony Abbott was deposed tonight.

    “First of all, you all need to guard tony Abbott’s back. Because the Turnbull faction, in conjunction with the UN, will be doing their absolute level best to remove your elected prime minister from office before the end of his term, and in particular before December 11 2015. So they can get a 100% wall to wall Marxist agreement, they do not want any standouts. And the most likely standout at the moment is Australia, god bless it.”

    A longer explanation AFTER Abbott was removed –

    Why the Left overthrew Tony Abbott as PM ~ Sept 2015

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt6I1R1l6bc

    18 Sep 2015
    This video is a follow up to the original speech from Christopher Monckton where the question was asked “Could Aussie Prime Minister Tony Abbott be truly the last man standing between the radical left and their plan to have every country in agreement to bring about a new global ruling body? The end-game behind “climate change” (previously “global warming”) is revealed” Well here we are in September 2015 and thats exactly what has happened.

  39. Econocrat

    This is nuts. Turnbull has to be stopped.

  40. Econocrat

    Judith Sloan

    #2024335, posted on May 9, 2016 at 11:42 am

    She is chair of the Australia Institute – say no more. She doesn’t have a proper job so this is seriously remunerative promotion.

    Judith, did you know the Australia Institute is a registered charity: http://www.acnc.gov.au/RN52B75Q?ID=0FB38D1B-C7DD-44E4-B068-A74B353FDBC7&noleft=1
    The long march through the institutions continues.

  41. Cannibal

    The corpulent Hatfield-Dodds was outed previously when it was revealed that she drove a V8 4WD (landcruiser, I think) during one of her many previous attempts to board the political gravy train. If I remember correctly, she was trying to install herself as a Green member of the ACT ‘government’ at the time.
    She famously retorted that she neededthe 4WD so that she “could enjoy picnics in the bush on weekends”. Among her interests she included bush-walking. I think the only bush walking she’s ever done was behind the wheel of her land raper (as the greenies called them once upon a time).
    Yes that ample snout has been aimed at the trough for some considerable time, and now she has succeeded, through the assistance of a “conservative” PM.

  42. Art Vandelay

    Let us also recall that Turnbull appointed chief carbon tax honcho Martin Parkinson head of the department that he has just appointed ex-Green Lin Hatfield-Dodds deputy of.

    I think that pretty much tells us in advance what he is planning to do after the election.

    Indeed:


    Report suggesting new carbon tax for Australia hidden until after election

    While Turnbull and the Liberals are attacking Labor for wanting a “massive new carbon tax on electricity,” it turns out that the Climate Change Authority is going to recommend the Liberals do exactly that but not ‘til after the election. Allegedly Greg Hunt’s office are “very happy” that the report will be delayed. It would muddy up that scare campaign about Labor’s carbon tax if the punters knew the Libs planned to bring one in too. Labor and the Greens are crying foul, saying the report should be released now.

    Kudos to any journo who can put Turnbull and Hunt on the spot and get them to rule it in or out. It’d be great to see them forced to proclaim “there won’t be a carbon tax under the government I lead” or risk backlash.

  43. jupes

    I’ll be voting WDM is the HoR and conservative (ALA) in the Senate.

    Me too.

  44. jupes

    Let us also recall that Turnbull appointed chief carbon tax honcho Martin Parkinson head of the department that he has just appointed ex-Green Lin Hatfield-Dodds deputy of.

    I think that pretty much tells us in advance what he is planning to do after the election.

    Indeed Bruce.

    No doubt he won’t grant an interview to anyone who would be likely to ask him about it in the next eight weeks.

  45. Speedbox

    I’ll be voting WDM is the HoR

    What is WDM?

  46. Roger

    if Bernardi and the renegades are indeed planning a conservative split from the Liberals immediately after the election, it gives them a quantifiable indication of electoral support.

    As does donating to his re-election campaign:

    Cory Bernardi Campaign Fund
    PO Box 202
    Walkerville SA 5081

  47. Roger

    What is WDM?

    I believe it stands for “We Do Matter”, Speedy. A friendly message to Mark Textor.

  48. HRT

    A Lurker
    #2024337, posted on May 9, 2016 at 11:43 am
    I favour Decimation.

    “…. in this country [the UK], it is good to kill an admiral from time to time, in order to encourage the others”. From the novel Candide by Voltaire. The comment referenced Admiral Byng who was found not to have tried hard enough.

    Readers are invited to delete admiral and substitute the occupation of their choice.

  49. Anne

    Vote TRUMP in the House.

    ALA in the Senate.

  50. memoryvault

    As does donating to his re-election campaign:

    I just got an email from Bernardi, soliciting election donations.
    The request is personal, rather than on behalf of the Liberals.
    He states: “A strong and principled voice for Australian Conservatives is more important than ever. I want to be that voice for you”.
    There is no mention of Turdbull, or the Liberals, and no Liberal Party logo.

  51. Speedbox

    Roger
    #2024502, posted on May 9, 2016 at 3:36 pm

    Thanks Roger. For a moment I had a panic attack that there was a Conservative political party I hadn’t heard of.

    I am committed to sending my message to Textor and the Libs. I have posted my intentions on the Cat numerous times but basically it revolves around the ALA and FF.

    In fact, today I re-checked my enrollment to vote. There is no reason why it would have changed – I just wanted to be sure.

    In fact, I think the forthcoming election is arguably the most important election in a generation. After the destruction of RGR and the lurch to the Left (not to mention treachery) of Turnbull, every Conservative vote is important.

    If we don’t stand and be counted at this election, it is all over. Textor’s comments will be proven correct and we Conservatives will be truly swept aside as a minority interest group with little or no political clout.

  52. Tim Neilson

    memoryvault
    #2024511, posted on May 9, 2016 at 3:52 pm
    Cory is having a tough gig at present. His weekly emails are trying hard to encourage people to vote for the Coalition but he obviously can’t bring himself to pretend that Malcolm Termite is worth voting for. No wonder he doesn’t mention any party affiliation.

  53. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Speedbox, start here. 😺

    Hey, we even get a cat smiley.

  54. Nelson Kidd-Players

    memoryvault #2024511, posted on May 9, 2016 at 3:52 pm

    I just got an email from Bernardi, soliciting election donations.

    Do you think he’s worked out who you are, MV?

  55. Dr Faustus

    Ritual abuse to one side, it seems that Turnbull really is deliberately working against the interests of a substantial part of the Liberals’ base. Presumably the cunning plan is to transform the appearance of the Coalition into a Social Democratic organisation that attracts enough ALP -leaning and non-Marxist Green voters to offset the disaffected Liberal/LNP vote.

    In less than 8 weeks; during a pork-and-fear-and-loathing election campaign!

    As PeterF points out above, the Nationals are emerging as the safety net for conservative Australia (FFS) if Turnbull is somehow returned. I guess the extent to which that happens will depend on the amount of redistribution that heads out to regional centres and the bush.

    I hope that the ‘non-54’ parliamentary Liberals are paying close attention.

  56. memoryvault

    Do you think he’s worked out who you are, MV?

    I doubt that he would actually care, Nelson.
    Old, broken down has-beens are a dime a dozen.

  57. Harald

    Hm, Bernardi is one of the good guys, yes. But he’s a Liberal first.

    My impression is that he’s putting together a voting block in the party room, intending to put pressure on Turnbull (or whoever is the leftwing whimp of the day) with the threat of a split.

    But I do not see him splitting off from the Libs. That would not work. He would take those votes with him, leaving a romp of lefties in the Lib partyroom who will vote themselves a leader like Turnbull every time.

    The situations do not compare perfectly, but there is a parallel to what happened in the Netherlands with Wilders in 2004. wilders was in the same situation as Bernardi, same type of issues. Deeply dismayed by multicultural policies and Turkey’s pending membership to the EU, Wilders split off from the VVD (historically the Dutch Liberal Party).

    He took with him all the voters interested in those issues, leaving the Liberal Party bereft of a conservative element. Since that time the Dutch Liberal Party has lost that voter block, and that voter block was locked in to Wilders. So the only option the Dutch Lib party had left was to move further liberal on the social issues – further left in other words. And that is what happened.

    I do not think Bernardi will split off.
    He will threaten to do that to apply pressure. That is the point.
    But he will not follow through, because if he does the Libs will drift further to the left as a result. That drift is irreversible since the every Lib party leader from that moment on will be a lefty and will not invite them back in as the Bernardi’s are a hostile faction.

  58. Speedbox

    From the Tim Blair site.

    Quoting from the article:

    They say that where the rise of Hansonism was fuelled by a backlash to Paul Keating’s progressive social policies, few traditional Liberal voters are likely to be drawn to the anti-Islam of the ALA and today’s One Nation. “People in the marginal seats are not interested in this stuff,’’ Mr Economou said. “They just want government to be functional, they want government to deliver services and they don’t want to pay more tax.’’
    Liberal Party strategist Mark Textor agrees. He says that, even if he is wrong, the loss of disgruntled conservatives will be outweighed by the appeal of a more moderate party to swinging voters. “The qualitative evidence is they don’t matter,’’ Mr Textor said. “The sum of a more centrist approach outweighs any alleged marginal loss of so-called base voters.’’

    Also found this comment from one of Tim’s readers:

    When Fraser was PM, he was ‘far right’ and not a ‘true conservative’ like Menzies. When Howard was PM, he was ‘far right’ and not a ‘true conservative’ like Fraser. When Abbott was PM, he was ‘far right’ and not a ‘true conservative’ like Howard.

    Malcolm Turnbull appears to be the first reigning Liberal Party prime minister hailed by the left as a true conservative. That tells you just how left-wing he really is.

    Wow. In which case I repeat my comments from above: I think the forthcoming election is arguably the most important election in a generation. After the destruction of RGR and the lurch to the Left (not to mention treachery) of Turnbull, every Conservative vote is important.

  59. egg_

    she neededthe 4WD so that she “could enjoy picnics in the bush on weekends”.

    Can we all have $100k V8 Landcruisers so that we can “enjoy picnics in the bush on weekends”?

  60. egg_

    After the destruction of RGR and the lurch to the Left (not to mention treachery) of Turnbull, every Conservative vote is important.

    Hence, the Libs will be smashed at the ballot box.

  61. incoherent rambler

    Does anyone know the conservative status of

    James Paterson, Mitch Fifield and Scott Ryan

    ?

  62. memoryvault

    I do not think Bernardi will split off. He will threaten to do that to apply pressure. That is the point. But he will not follow through, because if he does the Libs will drift further to the left as a result.

    I doubt that saving the Liberals from their own idiocy is high on Bernardi’s list of priorities, Harald. Yes, I believe he is a “Liberal” first. However I think he has finally realised there just aren’t that many of them left in the “Liberal” Party. Yes, I think his original aim was try and create a splinter-pressure group within the Liberals. But I believe that all changed with the Liberals’ public support of SSM, and the ransacking of his offices. That’s when the Liberal Party logo fell off his emails.

  63. memoryvault

    Does anyone know the conservative status of

    In his acceptance speech, James Paterson spoke of his support for SSM. Also note Tim Wilson spoke at length of his support fro the SSC program.

  64. Des Deskperson

    “Presumably the cunning plan is to transform the appearance of the Coalition into a Social Democratic organisation that attracts enough ALP -leaning and non-Marxist Green voters to offset the disaffected Liberal/LNP vote.”

    And yet there has been almost no publicity about LHD’s engagement, there is nothing on the PM&C media hub, it hasn’t been reported in the MSM; according to Smith and Bolt, it sorta slipped out when evidence was being given to a Parliamentary Committee.

    If Turnbull has done it to attract ‘progressive’ voters, then you would thing he would have made, as they say, a song and dance about it. And he’d be moving her into the job immediately rather than waiting until some time in July, when anything might happen.

    If he’s cut some sort of behind the scenes deal with the Greens over the engagement, why not wait until after the election to announce it and put it into effect, rather than pissing off his party members and other conservatives now.

    Was the release of the information inadvertent? Is Turnbull actually a dill? Is he shagging LHD??

  65. BarBar

    Perhaps Labor really is the lesser of two evils

    Indeed concerned Liberals should be asking themselves that very question on reading this later development.
    All the positive ads the Liberals have been running have been geared to developing the cult of Malcolm. Ditto the tone of his public appearances so far. Ditto the babe blue touch me, caress me cashmere artfully thrown around the manly-but-caring shoulders in the Mothers Day picture op.

    Re-elected, its my belief Malcolm will set about transforming the Liberal Party into his image. It will be his long awaited and planned revenge for the events of December 2009.

  66. Robber Baron

    incoherent rambler
    #2024539, posted on May 9, 2016 at 4:40 pm
    Does anyone know the conservative status of

    James Paterson, Mitch Fifield and Scott Ryan

    James Paterson: Too early to tell.

    Mitch Fifield: Progressive.

    Scott Ryan: Progressive.

  67. incoherent rambler

    In his acceptance speech, James Paterson spoke of his support for SSM

    So Paterson won’t make it to my list of 12.
    I will have to wait until nominations close, but it is a tough job to find 12 victoristan senate candidates worth voting for.

  68. incoherent rambler

    Was the release of the information inadvertent? Is Turnbull actually a dill? Is he shagging LHD??

    Have you considered the possibility that the answer to all of those questions is probably yes?

  69. A Lurker

    Re-elected, its my belief Malcolm will set about transforming the Liberal Party into his image. It will be his long awaited and planned revenge for the events of December 2009.

    Yes – it seems clear that he’ll try to subvert the Prime Minister’s position into a Presidential role.
    El Presidente Termite of the Soviet Socialist State of Australistan.

  70. Beachside

    incoherent rambler
    #2024539, posted on May 9, 2016 at 4:40 pm

    Does anyone know the conservative status of

    James Paterson, Mitch Fifield and Scott Ryan

    ?

    Mitch Fifield and Scott Ryan both went with Turnbull in the coup.

    James Paterson worked as an advisor in Fifield’s office prior to taking up other positions with
    VECCI and the IPA.

  71. incoherent rambler

    Thanks beachside and others.

  72. JimD

    They say that where the rise of Hansonism was fuelled by a backlash to Paul Keating’s progressive social policies,
    Bullshit.
    The rise of “Hansomism” was fuelled by anti Howardism and anti lily livered Nats that let Howard and Hill walk all over them c/f sticking to the principle of representing their electorates.

  73. JohnA

    incoherent rambler #2024555, posted on May 9, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    Was the release of the information inadvertent? Is Turnbull actually a dill? Is he shagging LHD??

    Have you considered the possibility that the answer to all of those questions is probably yes?

    I’d say the answers are: Probably. Definitely. Irrelevant Scuttlebutt.

  74. Beachside

    If elected, Turnbull will most likely abandon the Abbott plan to hold a plebiscite on same sex marriage.
    If the Waffler goes there, a tight budget and ‘the true cost’ of a plebiscite will be the reason that he’ll put up to allow a vote for SSM in the parliament to proceed, thus dealing those out in voterland who woould oppose it. Machiavelli himself, would be put in the shade by Turnbull.

  75. PeterF

    I know I am just a country hick,but could someone explain what is meant by “progressive”. Gillard introduced us to a carbon tax,and that was called a “progressive” policy.I would have thought that anything that makes us poorer is regressive.

  76. Tel

    Perhaps Labor really is the lesser of two evils.

    They certainly are the devil you know. Something highly predictable that you can make plans around.

    I liked Turnbull’s support for internships though, small blessing I don’t like much else about the man.

    As for the Global Warming scam, to be honest I think it’s on it’s last legs. Less than 50% of the public still take it seriously and each year the predictions get more outrageous while the observations get more boring and mundane. You can only fool people for so long. I know our resident evil genius (a.k.a. Dr Lightbulb) will do his best to leverage the scam but these days every nation is busy head faking every other nation. There will never be a global agreement.

  77. cohenite

    Our Pauline has a scientist as her running mate in QLD.

  78. Beachside

    Des Deskperson
    #2024546, posted on May 9, 2016 at 4:52 pm

    Was the release of the information inadvertent? Is Turnbull actually a dill? Is he shagging LHD??

    Nope, don’t think so. Unless he’s a masochist. S&M?

    However, it could be because of this: Climate Change Authority report recommending ‘a mandatory carbon price’ held back until after election

  79. a happy little debunker

    PeterF #2024645, posted on May 9, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    Progressive policy is the making up solutions to problems that either do not exist or really aren’t all that important.

    Gonski, a Carbon Tax & the MRRT are just some solutions to imagined problems.

  80. Ross B

    And after that brief word from our sponsor an election up-date, live from the critical bellwether seat of Eden-Monaro…

    Home on a break and staying with the in-laws way way down the South Coast, I can confirm that; a) Textor’s “they don’t matter” comment was the three dumbest word line ever uttered by someone paid for their political savvy, b) Mike Kelly is well regarded and considered a good bloke among locals in the south not the electorate, and c) incumbent Hendy is known for having hosted the Long Knives party in Queanbeyan last September…

    Interesting that among people who tend to get their news from either CH9, Seven, or the Daily Tele, there’s a strong local awareness of Hendy’s involvement in plotting against Abbott. Nobody here speaks of Shorten. Everyone thinks Turnbull is “up himself…”

    My highly scientific measures are so unscientific I won’t bother to post them. Nonetheless, I had a good time taking the political pulse up at the top pub and the local newsagency. Hendy is gone. Turnbull will struggle…

  81. Muddy

    I posted the following on the tail end of another post after it had breathed its last:
    I can drag the carcass of my horse behind a tractor and hope nostalgically that the bumps and hollows will reanimate the poor beast. When the sun goes down and I end my day, I’ll still technically have a horse carcass at the end of the rope, but a far more damaged one than when my efforts to subvert the laws of God and nature began. I remain emotionally attached to that horse, but it and I are no longer capable of the same interactions we once enjoyed. It’s time to let go before the flies bring disease. The carcass offers nothing to anyone now.

    It’s WDM for me in the lower, and not sure about the upper house yet.

  82. Neenee

    Let us also recall that Turnbull appointed chief carbon tax honcho Martin Parkinson head of the department that he has just appointed ex-Green Lin Hatfield-Dodds deputy of.

    I think that pretty much tells us in advance what he is planning to do after the election.

    Parkinson was Secretary of the Department of Climate Change (and Energy Efficiency) from 2007-2011.

    Lin Hatfield Dodds’s partner Stephen Hatfield Dodds has an extensive CV in environment and climate issues. He moved from the CSIRO to Parkinson’s Department of Climate Change in 2008 where he was a member of the senior leadership team. His responsibilities included support for the national emissions target. After the abolition of the department in 2013 he reappeared at the CSIRO where he leads the National Outlook project.

    No doubt Turnbull, Parkinson and Stephen Hatfield Dodds have previously collaborated on climate issues and intend to do so in the future. Lin Hatfield Dodds is therefore a natural appointment to coordinate that collaboration in the Turnbull Government, if elected.

    As Turncoat says, we need to look at the big picture. (sarc)

  83. Harald

    memoryvault
    #2024542, posted on May 9, 2016 at 4:46 pm,
    Interesting. So you think Bernardi is actually ready to walk away? It is not an easy time to do so. It is crowded on that wing. Bob Day would be a natural fit, but since they are running in the same state, they’d just be in each other’s way.

    The IPA guys I know both, and both are more libertarian leaning. Sound on the economic issues and dependably so. But the socially conservative issues have been a problem at the IPA in general the last 2 years, or so. They seem to have dropped them nearly completely.

    I suspect that is part of a longer term strategy. I recall I had a lunch with some of the IPA brass in Aug 2014. The occasion was a visit by Julian Morris – an editor of Reason.com.

    During the lunch we had a presentation of a report on Millennials. I think James was there as well. The shortest summary of the report: using various stats the point was made that the millennial generation was, or could become, libertarian. Potential Rand Paul supporters.

    Also during the beginning of US Presidential primaries I noticed the IPA guys and gals had unrealistic expectations of Rand Paul. They actually thought the guy could win. These two things may very well have been connected.

    They actually believed the report, I think. And the IPA have changed medium, perhaps long, term strategy to align with this perceived trend toward libertarianism. Around the same time Alan Moran left the IPA. (I am nut sure whether he jumped or was pushed, but I suspect it was the latter – he no longer fit in.)

    I listened during the lunch meeting presentation of that millennials-report. And thinking about it afterwards, I came to the conclusion: No, they are wrong because these millennials don’t want to pay for anything. Yes, they want government out of their lives, but they want everything for free at the same time – from government.

    I did not have a good description at the time, but I did know these weren’t Rand Paul voters.

    Now that the US presidential elections have progressed, I know what these people in the stats were:
    Bernie Sanders supporters.

    Meanwhile I suspect the IPA has misaligned their strategy towards libertarianism, chasing misunderstood Bernie Sanders supporters. Since that time I have dialed back my involvement with them. Maybe they’ll turn at some point – for example when the donations dry up.

  84. Tim Neilson

    Harald
    #2024810, posted on May 9, 2016 at 9:20 pm
    OK Harald, but if the IPA’s shortcomings were anywhere near a shortlist of Australia’s worst problems we’d be a near Utopia. We need to get behind organisations that are at least trying to steer things in the right direction rather than waiting idly for the perfect institution to materialise from the ether, and just being negative.
    (Except for the 2016 Federal election where the only thing that matters is scuppering Malcolm Termite – anything more useful is a less urgent and less important priority.)

  85. Leo G

    It’s WDM for me in the lower, and not sure about the upper house yet.

    A pity we have full preferential voting for HoR candidates.
    I vote in the NSW division of Bennelong. The sitting member is celeb candidate John Alexander, one of Turnbull’s 54. The independent candidate is highly unlikely to be the final challenger, so I expect either to mark the Liberal #2 or to make an informal vote.
    The NSW senate candidates for reelection are Liberals’ Fierravanti-Wells, Payne and Sinodinos and Nationals’ Fiona Nash. I might preference one of the four.
    Otherwise, I am uncommitted.

  86. J.H.

    Luke
    #2024384, posted on May 9, 2016 at 12:31 pm
    Keeping in mind that I wish to punish Liberals, I am open to other suggestions of how I should vote this election instead of Labor.
    —————————————————————————————-
    It depends what electorate you are in. If you are in an electorate of one of the 54 Turnbull Quislings…. You vote Labor in the Lower house. It is the only way to remove them. Vote any other way and the preference flow will come back to the Libs in that electorate and the Quisling will win if he gets enough…. You can still vote Lib/Nat in the Senate, indeed the senate will become utterly important for a Coalition opposition party to control if it wants to stop Shorten passing legislation.

    If you are in one of Abbott’s 44, vote Liberal. If you are in any National Party seat, vote National. If you are in a safe Labor seat with no chance of it changing… Vote Lib/Nat because a first preference vote will give the party $2.62.

    As long as Turnbull is the leader of the Liberal party…. you don’t want to reward him with an electoral win…. Because it isn’t a liberalist party with that kind of leadership.

    Turnbull wants to make Green ideology the “new” liberalism. He wants to lead that kind of party and he wants to create a Republic. Turnbull wants to go down in history as… “The Father of the Australian Republic.”

    His ego demands it.

  87. Nelson Kidd-Players

    I’m still inclined to disagree, J.H. Preferencing Labor over the Liberals will only send a signal to the Liberals that they need to go further left.

    An informal vote (so that the overall Liberal vote bleeds directly to the ‘informal’ column, rather then the ALP) along with a big, bold #WeDoMatter message down the side for the scrutineers is the only way I see them getting the message, unless you have one of the Abbott 44 in your seat.

    Preference Liberal above Labor, and you prove You Don’t Matter,as per Mark Textor’s proposition.

    Preference Labor above Liberal and, like I said, it would only encourage them to do further left anyway.

    In the past X elections I have given my first preference to Family First or some similar party and then referenced the Liberals ahead of Labor for the two-party-preferred count. I don’t feel I can do that this time for the reasons above, even if it means my favoured minor party misses out on a vote.

    In the senate, optional preferential voting now means only those whom I consider to deserve my vote shall receive my vote, and if it exhausts, then so be it.

  88. Harald

    Tim,

    We need to get behind organisations that are at least trying to steer things in the right direction rather than waiting idly for the perfect institution to materialise from the ether, and just being negative.

    And I have been. Still am a member. Just a far less active one. In years past we did projects together, which resulted in new ways the IPA could get the word out. I think that was helpful. (I even got a mention by John at the 70th anniversary. 🙂 )

    But none of that has happened much lately.

    The last email I proposed a new idea plus offered to send in the first 1k to fund it, I did not even get a reply. Not sure what’s going on over there, but it does not look or feel like the same organisation of 3 years ago.

  89. Communists should be shot not voted for.

  90. Harald

    That last email was about 2 weeks ago, by the way – just checked.

    And I agree, yes, much less important as compared to all the other stuff – sure, sure. But the IPA can be loud and helpful. And my impression is that they have sidelined themselves from the main debates.

  91. Rob MW

    “She is chair of the Australia Institute – say no more. She doesn’t have a proper job so this is seriously remunerative promotion.”

    Good catch Judith. It just goes to show……birds of a feather and all that…….Mal is the chairman of the ‘Institution of Australia Inc’. Avoiding cross purpose ideologies is top of Mal’s list of election winning activities, apart from further pissing-off the entrenched and bullshit detecting delcon fuck-off brigade that are gaining long overdue and purposeful traction. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees!!

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