Does anyone think this makes sense?

This is from an interview – Question Time with Chris Berg – posted at Quadrant Online.

Last week saw the launch of his book The Libertarian Alternative (MUP, 225pp, paperback $32.99 and ebook $14.99). He defines libertarianism as the political philosophy of liberty – the idea that people know better how to live their lives than governments. As he describes it, libertarians want small government dedicated [solely] to enforcing contracts, protecting our security, and otherwise getting out of the way. The book applies libertarian ideas on everything from trade and inequality, the environment, free speech, and the nanny state.

The book’s most contentious bit – especially now – is his urging for people to not only trade freely across borders but move their families across too, with legal immigration quotas to be seriously expanded.

It’s him who says “legal” so I get this expansion of family migration is either part of enforcing contracts or protecting security for those of us here already. Seems like an unambiguously bad idea to me but perhaps others can offer enlightenment.

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279 Responses to Does anyone think this makes sense?

  1. .

    That’s a little racist.

    If you believe in the nonsense that is substantive liberalism, yes it is.

    Remember that it is nonsense.

    With no hesitation you have a knee jerk reaction about OSB.

    Argue honestly and consistently please.

    Free OPM is terribly corrosive.

    Yes well.

  2. Snoopy

    With no hesitation you have a knee jerk reaction about OSB.

    Self awareness, much. LOL

  3. .

    No welfare is racist, but OSB isn’t. Um okay.

  4. John Constantine

    The European backpacker tax is seeing big claims of unharvested produce from horticultural areas.

    The plantation settlements of vote for welfare people imported end masse simply do not seem to have solved the unskilled labour shortage in the electorate of Indi.

    They are providing valuable diversity services to the community though.

    Without backpackers filling the unskilled labour gap it doesn’t matter how large the mass migration of the lefts client herds is, the work is not being done by them.

  5. Fisky

    It is vitally important that we keep the backpacker visa going, so that libertarians are given no excuses for supporting mass Muslim immigration.

  6. Harald

    Not going to Sydney this weekend probably was the right thing to do.
    😐

  7. memoryvault

    It is vitally important that we keep the backpacker visa going, so that libertarians are given no excuses for supporting mass Muslim immigration.

    Once again Fisky, your Pavlova’s Dog style pre-conditioning by the leftists means your manufactured need to blame everything on an entirely fictitious “libertarianism”, precludes you from being able to even recognise the actual problem, let alone contribute to a solution.

  8. Harald

    memoryvault,
    You seem to be a reasonable person.
    Why would you insist on calling yourself a Libertarian when that term has been so definitively and devastatingly hijacked by fruitcakes and loonies?

    I always had my doubts about the term itself, I must say. Maybe there is something to it in the US where the term “liberal” is corrupted, there is some sense to calling oneself libertarian.

    But in mainland Europe and also in Australia, the term Classic Liberal has more or less preserved its original meaning.

    Under those conditions where Classic Liberal will do perfectly, yet people choose to call themself “Libertarian”, I always compare it to this:

    Many times it has happened to me that I meet people from Iran. And they call themselves “Persian”. Ever happened to you?

    Well… I take that to mean they want to tell me something. (Since Persia has been removed from the map quite some time ago.) They want to send me a message. After several such instance, I have narrowed it down to: They are telling me they are from Iran, but they are not muslim.

    Similar in the case of libertarians: identifying as “libertarian” (do they have an Obama-legislated bathroom yet?), they also are sending me a message by not calling themselves Classic Liberals.

    Only this time the message is to do with: SSM, drugs, open borders, etc.. That they go with the ABC on those issues.

    Just generally being anti-Christian, irresponsible. Because freedom without responsibility and joining the jeering mob at the ABC is easier.

    So in that context I would ask you, why join in with that?

  9. .

    You’re an idiot Harald. You oppose medical marijuana and support Mike Baird’s stupid lockout laws and Crimes (Prevention Orders) Bills.

    Your definition of freedom is not seeing any hijabs on the train on the way to work.

    You shallow pretentious bloody idiot.

    Libertarianism is about the exercise of personal responsibility.

    You think that is “irresponsible” and “anti-Christian”.

    Moron.

  10. testpattern

    Waleed Aly is sure to do well

    Mighty White of you dave.

    Koreans and Taiwanese

    Hey fisky, dave wants to bring in more Asian stoop labour, you going to let him get away with it? Come on Fisk play the White man

  11. memoryvault

    Why would you insist on calling yourself a Libertarian when that term has been so definitively and devastatingly hijacked by fruitcakes and loonies?

    You answer your own question within your own question, Harald. If you allow the very language of your thoughts to be continually hijacked by your enemies, then you are well and truly fvcked. It is the single-most devastating weapon used against us. Go read ‘1984’ again.

  12. Fisky

    Oldsalt, I don’t think you quite understand where everyone is coming from here. You on the other hand are completely transparent. You don’t like Australia, possibly because of your family background, and you’d like to do something bad to it.

  13. testpattern

    Better a handful of dates and content with them than to own the gate of peacocks and be kicked in the eye by a broody camel

    http://www.greatdarkhorde.org/proverbs.html

    Hey Fisk the great dark hordes are coming for you, you going to let a broody camel kick you in the eye?

  14. Harald

    Go read ‘1984’ again.

    I remember it well.

    When in Dutch high school we had to read 15 English books and then come in for an interview as a major part of our graduation. I had scored near 100% on all test up to that point, for one purpose only: not to have to read the damn books.

    So I go in for the hour long interview, on the other side of the table 2 teachers, and they start: “Let’s talk about book A”. I say: I have not read book A. They look at each other… “Ok then let’s start with book B.” I say: “I have not read book B.”

    Somewhat uneasy they ask: “Ok.., what book do you want to talk about?”

    And we spent the hour talking about the only book I had read: 1984.

    I still remember that interview. It was funny. They scored me a 3 out of 10 or so, just for being able to answer in decent English.

    But back to the point:
    Yes, fight the enemy, and all. Sure. But you have lost. It’s gone.

    And denying that.. well.. Monty Python’s Black Knight images come to mind.
    Why?

  15. Fisky

    I think far more needs to be done to clamp down on indigenous child molestation, and it might require military intervention. What do you think?

  16. memoryvault

    Yes, fight the enemy, and all. Sure. But you have lost. It’s gone.
    And denying that.. well.. Monty Python’s Black Knight images come to mind.

    If that is what you believe, Harald, then I am unsure as to why you even bother commenting here, or, in fact, on any blogsite at all. For you, not only the battle, but the war is lost. Unless, of course, your aim is to discourage others from offering any form of resistance to overwhelming odds.

    In the meantime you can call me ‘BK’ if you so wish.

  17. memoryvault

    I think far more needs to be done to clamp down on indigenous child molestation,
    and it might require military intervention.

    How about we take a really novel approach, and start applying the existing laws through the courts?

  18. Harald

    memoryvault,
    Not to worry – I have my own reasons why I do what I do. And you have yours, no doubt.

    It is not about words to me, whether they fall your way, or the other. I was just wondering.

    The thing for me is that whenever I take aim here at libertarianism, I am not taking aim at what you hold that to be. In fact, we seem to agree, largely. That is to say: if the elections would bring what you want, I’ll be drinking champagne with the neighbours.

  19. memoryvault

    The thing for me is that whenever I take aim here at libertarianism,
    I am not taking aim at what you hold that to be.

    Of course not. Like Fisky, Snoopy and others, you are being a mere puppet on strings, which are, in turn being manipulated by the very people you all claim to oppose. The only excuse you can offer is that it is easier and more comfortable to be their marionette, rather than to resist. “Go with the flow”.

    I don’t know why I bother.
    I’m going to bed.

  20. Fisky

    Of course not. Like Fisky, Snoopy and others, you are being a mere puppet on strings, which are, in turn being manipulated by the very people you all claim to oppose.

    Mmmyesss! Well said, MemoryLoss

  21. Snoopy

    Memoryvault, I happily acknowledge that you alone follow the one true libertarian path.

    Respect.

  22. Harald

    Hm… that did not go over too well, I see.

    I am sorry you took it badly, MV. It was not intended that way.

  23. Combine Dave

    That’s a little racist.

    If you believe in the nonsense that is substantive liberalism, yes it is.

    Unless its targeted at rich Asians any campaign to end welfare for foreigners in Australia will be opposed by the media and all low info voters. Will probably result in welfare to refugees being tripled.

    Remember that it is nonsense.

    With no hesitation you have a knee jerk reaction about OSB.

    A lovely policy that must be maintained at all costs.

    To do otherwise is to be on the wrong side of history.

    All of our regional neighbors have similar policies although they usually prefer to open fire than detain.

  24. Combine Dave

    Old salt hates ‘whities’, Australia, Koreans and Taiwanese and proposes Australia will die a demographic death if we fail to allow an influx of Indonesian borne middle eastern migrants.

    I am guessing the nation he went native in is…. drum roll Indon?

  25. Yes, yes, Catholics were so very different from protestants y you could almost be forgiven for forgetting that they had spent the previous four centuries living side by side together in Europe, enjoyed many of the same customs, history, literature, music, politics, even, even, the same Christian doctrine, etc.

  26. wreckage

    What Dover said. Regardless of descendant branch, the rules of personal conduct and obedience to secular law remain the same in every scion of Christianity.

  27. Snoopy

    .
    #2028868, posted on May 13, 2016 at 9:22 pm

    Fisky
    #2028866, posted on May 13, 2016 at 9:18 pm
    All the economic studies I looked over for that piece, came to a similar conclusion that per capita benefits were marginal if even detectable.

    Tony, your findings are very much within the mainstream of economics literature. For controlled intakes of around 1% of population a year, there are usually very small positive effects for natives over a number of years. Nearly all the income gains however go to the migrants themselves. There is a caveat here in that low skilled migrants may be net recipients of welfare, and this could outweigh any (very small) gains to natives.

    However it must be noted that the libertarian movement do not support border controls – they support open borders – and no study to date has captured the calamitous impact of open borders.

    You are a dishonest crackpot and a charlatan.
    http://ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4264&context=commpapers

    Tian, G. G. & Shan, J. (1999). Do migrants rob jobs?: new evidence from Australia. Australian Economic History Review: an AsiaPacific Journal of economic, business and social history, 39 (2), 133-142.

    The evidence is that ” there is two way causality running between GDP and immigration. In other words, the economic growth in Australia during the post war was (partly) propelled by immigration expansion, along with a set of other domestic factors, while the economic growth further attracted more migration come to Australia. ”

    Nearly all the income gains however go to the migrants themselves.

    Well no shit. They are paid to work. You find this offensive.

  28. .

    Thanks for reposting my post…idiot.

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