Plenty of places to go

It turns out the government knew that its Super policy announced in the budget would be unpopular:

A spokesman confirmed the government knew when it put the budget together there would be a backlash over the measures, especially from its core conservative constituency.

“We knew that our base was going to jump up and down about it,” he said. “We knew and we were planning for all of that.”

Despite uproar among the conservative base, led by such groups as the economically dry think-tank the Institute of Public Affairs, which believes the $1.6 million cap and and the $500,000 lifetime limit to be retrospective, the government is holding its ground.

One senior source said despite the unhappiness, the Coalition did not anticipate losing many votes given those affected were hardly likely to vote Green or Labor.

Indeed – there is no reason to vote either Greens or Labor. But there are plenty of reasons to vote for serious Senators who can be trusted not to sell out on economic principles and values. So think about voting for the Liberal Democratic Party and Family First.

The Liberal Democratic Party will launch a campaign within days to convince disaffected Liberals to reject the “tax grab”, while Family First will make the issue a key part of its message to voters in marginal seats across the country.

Remember it’s your money and your vote.

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61 Responses to Plenty of places to go

  1. Tim Neilson

    In the HoR, your preferences would still end up with Peanut Head or the Termite. If you can’t stand preferencing ALP, vote informal, with maximum anti-Termite slogans on the ballot paper.
    In the Senate, use the new below the line rule to let your vote fizzle out before any preference reaches a Termite supporter (or ALP or Greens of course).

  2. Baldrick

    One senior source said despite the unhappiness, the Coalition did not anticipate losing many votes given those affected were hardly likely to vote Green or Labor.

    Which is exactly why I’m not voting Liberal in the Senate, but Family First.

  3. Rabz

    “We knew that our base was going to jump up and down about it,” he said. “We knew and we were planning for all of that.”

    Because, all together now:

    “They Don’t Matter!”

    😡

  4. HRT

    Nothing will change until our federal politicians are made to understand they are our representatives and not our rulers.

    The first step is to trash their superannuation scheme. As presently constructed, it does not matter what decisions they make – they are insulated from any adverse effects.

    Politicians need to be on the same scheme as are most Australians.

    I will vote for any party which adopts this as a policy.

    Until then, I conclude they are lining up at the same trough as the rest, and will eventually support vote buying legislation which will secure a term in parliament sufficient to guarantee a pension.

  5. Some History

    Will I vote for the [UN] Labor Party…… [head scratch]… or the [UN] Liberal Party…… or [face turns pale and early stages of nausea] the [UN (“on steroids” version)] Greens Party?

    Mmmmmmmmm

    We’re spoiled for choice. We can vote for parties whose names begin with “L” or “G”. “L” or “G”?

    The goal is to in no way reward any of the main-party bona fide twonks. There are lesser-twonk options, although still “twonkdom” nevertheless, rather than a highly tempting informal vote loaded with suggestive stick figures and other assorted graphics. The alternatives suggested by others here have merit.

  6. herodotus

    This time we all got the Senate we did not deserve. Next time the Libs might get the Senate they so richly deserve, with a goodly dash of FF and ALA, one hopes.

    Having said that, the Senate is anachronistic, dysfunctional, and like the ABC might as well be disbanded.

  7. jupes

    WDM in the reps.

    ALA in the senate.

    You know it makes sense.

  8. Harald

    Really clever election strategy.

    First you stab your base in the back. Then walk around to the front and spit them in the face by saying: “Yep, I spent quite a bit of time planing that….”

  9. mundi

    LOL at wasting your time voting.

  10. May 19th, LNP Spokesman: “We knew that our base was going to jump up and down about it…”

    July 3rd, Unemployed LNP Spokesperson: “We knew that our base was going to jump up and down about it,” he said. “We knew it. We just didn’t think they actually meant it when they said they were going to desert the party en-masse…”

    We really do need to hit ground zero. Shorten is probably the regrettable answer…

  11. Rob MW

    “One senior source said despite the unhappiness, the Coalition did not anticipate losing many votes given those affected were hardly likely to vote Green or Labor.”

    Lol…….that’s a National Party strategy that works well as long as it is funded by a slush fund and enforced by brainless good old boys with balls the size of peas. Problem for Turnbull is he has no slush fund and no balls at all.

  12. Habib

    John Humphries is running in Brisbane for the LDP, it’s there for rhe taking. Both majors have put up very ordinary candidates, and the previous member was not only utterly useless, then proved treacherous as well. I may even do the first electioneering I’ve done in 30 years.

  13. Megan

    Well, my vote is not likely to count in the HOR given that La Macklin is unlikely to get dislodged by yet another Banyule councillor who hears the siren call of the federal politician’s superannuation scheme.

    But Fifield, Ryan and Ronaldson will not be getting my vote in the Senate. I have other options and I will use them. Treachery is not something I can reward. And let’s hope enough of the disgruntled deny them their $2.60 odd per vote and they have a collective heart attack when they see the new reality of their diminished war chest.

  14. Motelier

    So for us up here in LNP (Hinkler notionally Nats) a large number of retired people have been seen heading off to ALA meetings with a few grey hairs seen getting afternoon exercise dropping pamphlets into letterboxes.

    The WDM crowd looks like it is going to count.

    I am now actually hoping for a really hung parliment and senate with the minors having a real say in both. This should give both the majors a bit of time to navel gaze and see where they went so wrong.

    Bugger. I just woke up.

  15. Simon

    And to think the boofheads cheered Turnbull and crew as they shived Abbott, just the first in a series of “Fuck you”s to the base.

    Well Fuck them. Lower and Upper house. Vote one Daffy Duck.

  16. Paul

    So Turnbull knew he “would be unpopular”.
    So it beggars belief that he would call an election when he is sliding in the polls.
    Why not call an election when he was popular, like a month after deposing Abbott?
    Why wait until he is behind labor in the polls?
    What is his motivation for a mea culpa and drag the liberal party down with him?

  17. phil

    “We knew and we were planning for all of that.”

    I love it. What did they plan exactly? Nothing, obviously. I’m still voting Lib as my local member is solid but FF in the upper house.

  18. .

    Habib
    #2034468, posted on May 19, 2016 at 9:04 pm
    John Humphries is running in Brisbane for the LDP, it’s there for rhe taking. Both majors have put up very ordinary candidates, and the previous member was not only utterly useless, then proved treacherous as well. I may even do the first electioneering I’ve done in 30 years.

    John won preselection in 2013. He was going to run as the LNP candidate against Rudd!

    The LNP didn’t like someone with principle so they boned him in favour of a useless uni student who was just phoning it in.

    WDM back then.

  19. Di

    The thing that really really pisses me off about this little episode, is that we are the ones that have done the right thing, and we are being punished because they can’t upset the labor base and don’t have the balls to tell it like it is!

  20. Snoopy

    Habib, I desperately would like to see a meaningful cut in government spending, too, but I didn’t pick you for an open borders, SSM bozo. What’s the point of a good budget if the fundamentals of the country are shit?

  21. 2dogs

    And in NSW, don’t forget this as a reason to vote for replacing the Liberals in that state as the main right wing party.

    The preferential voting system means that each side can replace the party that represents their side of argument, if the organisation behind that party goes awry. It’s time to use that.

  22. Mat

    I’m in the electorate of Curtin in WA. The WDM crowd must be having an effect, because previously I’ve never had any contact from a politician other than the usual junk mail. This time however, I’ve had 3 contacts from the LNP over the last 10 days.

    The first was a phone call from someone on behalf of David Johnston. She copped a broadside – bordering on apoplexy – when she mentioned that Senator Johnston was very supportive of Mr Simpkins. Johnston and Simpkins both supported the Termite. I suppose telling her that “they can both go and fuck themselves” may have been a trifle harsh …

    Next, I missed the opportunity to give Simpkins a spray in person, as I was at work when he came door knocking. I deeply regret that lost opportunity. I’ll have to be satisfied with the email I sent him when the election was called.

    Finally, I received a robo-call from the Termite himself last night. I couldn’t hang up quickly enough. The only thing that I want to hear from that oleaginous turd is his concession speech when he gets kicked to the kerb on election night.

    I’ve never previously had any political parties, let alone candidates, contact me during an election cycle – state or federal. Three from the LNP in a little over a week would suggest that they’re getting twitchy.

  23. wreckage

    LDP or FF, really I feel a little spoiled for choice. I am much more LDP philosophically, but FF aren’t as doctrinaire. I think I will go LDP in the senate regardless, then FF, maybe ALA if they’re available, then Nats (because it’s a rural seat). HoR I am not sure, unlikely to get many choices (did I mention it’s a rural seat?), but given the option, I’d prefer LDP, FF, ALA (cause why not?) and then of course the Nats and think of England.

    Normally I stick a nominally Christian party into the Senate preferences, but they’ve gone completely silly recently, so stuff ’em. Anyone who thinks a smoker is better off dead of lung cancer than vaping can’t call themselves Christian with a straight face IMO.

  24. .

    The Australian Christians?

    Really? How bizarre. Why would they ramble on about vaping?!

  25. wreckage

    Not sure if they did or didn’t, Dot.

  26. tbh

    No way the Libs are getting my vote in the lower house. It won’t matter though, as our local Lib member increased his 2PP vote by about 4 points at the last election. It would take a catastrophic collapse in his vote to unseat him.

    The Senate is another matter entirely and I’ll be putting the economically dry parties ahead of everyone else. The Greens of course will be last, of course, because they are economic vandals and enemies of a free society. The ALP aren’t much better but they aren’t quite as bad and will go just above the Greens. Everyone else can pretty much go fuck themselves.

  27. Habib

    Snoopy, I’m no fan of open borders, except for trade. That said, get rid of all forms of welfare and see how many wastrels will line up to shift here. As for marriage, get government out of it and again get rid of any benefits associated with it, and I’m all out of fucks to give. As long as it doesn’t cost me money or rights, I don’t care if some weirdo wants to marry a wildebeest. Of all the parties about ATM the LDP’s the closest to reflect my values, you don’t have to agree on everything. Personally I’m taken with the Swiss canton model, which is more akin to national service than politics. Politics as a vocation is an anathema, anyone who eanestly seeks public office should not be allowed within cooee of it.

  28. Rayvic

    The Coalition guessed wrongly, as they will lose votes in the Senate.

  29. struth

    Why no ALA in your suggestion Mr Davidson, do they not fit in with your mu…slum invasion policy?

  30. MareeS

    Having been in some good winning campaigns, I am smacked that two mediocre sides are racing to the bottom. Fortunately, Labor is winning by a neck.

  31. I am the Walras, Equilibrate, and Price-Take

    Not voting Liberal.

    Frack ’em.

    I do matter.

  32. Makka

    One senior source said despite the unhappiness, the Coalition did not anticipate losing many votes given those affected were hardly likely to vote Green or Labor.

    Fk you Libs. I’ll not be voting for you that’s for certain.

  33. MareeS

    “Winning by a neck” erck, should have clarified that labor was winning the race to the bottom, especially now that the AFP has entered the sphere.

  34. A Lurker

    One senior source said despite the unhappiness, the Coalition did not anticipate losing many votes given those affected were hardly likely to vote Green or Labor.

    I will give the Liberals only one piece of advice.
    This is it…

    “When you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, don’t then hire a backhoe and keep digging.”

    Greens and Labor voters will not vote for you, they say they will, but they won’t. They are tribal and will support their side no matter what. Here’s a bit of news for you. You’re not their side. You will never be their side.
    Now you’ve lost your own base. That is some mean feat. It is probably too late to toss out Turnbull and return to reasonable, rational, pro-Australian policies – so expect to die a political death. Hopefully something better will come out of the ashes.

    Expect no vote from me either in the HoR or the Senate.

  35. Diogenes

    As i live in a nice safe alp seat, i can afford to do the “wdm” for the house of reps. It will give me great pleasure to put the top 2 lnp picks after the greens, with conchetta 2 fathers stone motherless last, even lower than the greenfilth and other lefty parties, and senate paper suitably defaced with a wdm as well

  36. classical_hero

    Mat, don’t you mean Cowan if the traitor Luke Simpkins is your federal member? If you meant Curtin then Julie Bishop is your member. Either way both are not worth voting for, but in the case of Cowan there is no way I’m letting my vote go towards Labor considering their candidate. My vote has always gone to the Australian Christians.

  37. Tel

    I’ll be voting for Andrew Driessen – Online Direct Democracy Party – Parramatta

    He’s a games developer so obviously he has my interests at heart. He won’t win of course.

    I’ll probably put Greens third last (why vote for the lesser evil?)
    Then Liberals second last
    Then Labor last because they are incumbent and it’s time for some hope and change.

    Hope it’s very marginal and puts the wind right up em.

    http://www.onlinedirectdemocracy.org/candidates/#parramatta

  38. Tel

    So think about voting for the Liberal Democratic Party and Family First.

    Yup, they will both be high on the list, as will the ALA and anyone else who might block spending.

  39. memoryvault

    Okay folks, one more time, just for fun. In the HoR you can:

    1) – Vote Liberal and prove the bastards right – you don’t matter.
    2) – Vote for some minor conservative and second or third preference Liberal, and kid yourself that you didn’t vote Liberal – again, you don’t matter**.
    3) – Vote for Labor or Greens, or preference them above Liberal – and send the Liberals a message that they haven’t strayed far enough left.
    4) – Vote informal with a picture of a penis or [insert choice] – and tell the Liberals you are a stupid bogan Labor voter probably protesting against Shorten.
    5) – Vote informal with a big “WDM” (we DO matter) on your ballot paper, and send the Liberals a clear, quantifiable message – this is a vote you missed out on.

    In the Senate you have plenty of choices. Just number 12 boxes 1 to 12 below the line, and don’t include any Liberal, Labor, or Greens candidates.

    ** – Stop kidding yourselves that depriving the Libs of $2.60 is any sort of meaningful protest. Like the other major parties, they are a business. All your “protest” means is that their overdraft will be $2.60 more, after the election. Time to worry about that when the dust has settled.

    .
    If you want to help spread the word, copy and paste the above, or a link to it, or your own version of it, far and wide. Other blogs, Spacechook, Twitter, anywhere and everywhere.

    Don’t expect Somebod E Else to do it for you, or on your behalf. Somebod E Else has taken a well-earned break. This time it is your turn to be Somebod E Else.

  40. M Ryutin

    I am very surprised that the Liberal Party movers and shakers still seem to openly go on about their voters having nowhere to go. Perhaps they believe their own media releases or those of the media hacks dependent on The Drip from the usual suspects on both sides that nobody else has a chance.

    They should recognise that not only is there the ALA (which I suspect has a chance of getting more votes than the LDP anyway – bit I leave that open); no, there is even the Family First, which since Bob Day arrived on the scene would, I suspect, have people looking at its candidates far more carefully.

    I speak of others and not myself. I am not worried about “tactical voting”. I have nothing to do now except wait for July 2 where I, in a safe ALP seat in Sydney wont care for Reps and will exhaust my Senate vote after giving 12 below-the-line votes to ALA and other non-Lab/Lib candidates of my choice. (I might give the Nats of NSW a vote though).

  41. brennan

    Tel
    #2034728, posted on May 20, 2016 at 7:08 am

    I’ll be voting for Andrew Driessen – Online Direct Democracy Party – Parramatta

    Tel,

    I’m doing so investigating for some friends who aren’t as politically active as me as to how to cast their vote, as they normally vote Liberal, but can’t stand the idea of it this time. In doing so I noticed Parramatta is on a margin of 1.32% as per the AEC. I’m in McMahon at 4.63% so we have less chance of unseating that twat Bowen. Pity.

  42. Mat

    Yep, Classical Hero – my bad. I do indeed mean Curtin – my parents are in Cowan. I blame the ‘flu meds …

  43. Tim Neilson

    memoryvault
    #2034767, posted on May 20, 2016 at 8:22 am
    Great summary.
    I’d make only one minor qualification.
    In the Senate you have plenty of choices. Just number 12 boxes 1 to 12 below the line, and don’t include any Liberal who supported the Termite, Labor, or Greens candidates.
    People may well wish to vote for, e.g., Cory Bernardi, since he’s only very nominally part of Team Termite.
    Mat
    #2034556, posted on May 19, 2016 at 10:27 pm
    The only thing that I want to hear from that oleaginous turd is his concession speech when he gets kicked to the kerb on election night.
    It’s great to read such articulate expressions of my innermost thoughts.

  44. Ellen of Tasmania

    People may well wish to vote for, e.g., Cory Bernardi, since he’s only very nominally part of Team Termite.

    Yes, in Tas. we have senators who supported Abbott and didn’t want a trip (further) left. (Abetz, Bushby). But I’ll be asking these ‘conservatives’ if there is anything the Liberal Party could do in office that would make them leave the party. (eg. open up borders, ‘safe’ schools, ssmirage etc.)

    Cory and his Australian Conservatives need to be ready to roll with all the disenfranchised Libs that I suspect Mr. Turnbull and his cohorts will create, if he were to win. If they value the party more than their constituents, then they’ll get nothing from me and mine.

  45. TMG

    I live in an inner city seat so I get to choose between Libs, Greens, assorted commies, and whatever wet Lib they flop onto the ballot paper. Sigh.

  46. memoryvault

    Tim and Ellen,

    I understand where you’re coming from, but don’t agree that simply voting for Abbott proves very much, apart from perhaps a misjudged sense of self-preservation. It is quite obvious that Bernardi is working towards creating a breakaway or splinter group under the umbrella of the “Australian Conservatives”, after the election, and dependent on how the Liberals fare in it.

    Cory must have some idea now of who is likely to jump ship with him, if and when the time comes. As far as I am concerned for a Lib Senator to be worth voting for and saving, they would have to be on both lists – Abbott voters and Bernardi supporters.

    What I am hoping against hope for, is those Senators self-identify, or are in some other way identified, after nominations of candidates close on June 9. The above how-to-vote instructions can then be modified accordingly. In the meantime the idea is to spread the word of WDM as far and wide as possible, employing the KISS principle.

  47. .

    Don’t let Mal and Bill get their grubby paws on your Super.

    Those who are responsible and save for their retirement – reducing the burden on the rest of us – should be thanked, not robbed blind to cover the major parties’ reckless spending.

    Vote for the Liberal Democrats in the Senate and we will protect your hard earned retirement savings.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZIkQP0vAlM

    Those who are responsible and save for their retirement – reducing the burden on the rest of us – should be thanked, not robbed blind to cover the major parties’ reckless spending.

    Vote for the Liberal Democrats in the Senate and we will protect your hard earned retirement savings: http://www.ldp.org.au/super

  48. jupes

    Vote for the Liberal Democrats in the Senate and we will protect your hard earned retirement savings …

    … while importing more Muslims Qataris.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  49. mem

    My guess is that the bean counters underestimated the number of voters severely pissed off by the super cap. In particular, those in the 50-65 age group who have invested in property and have a smaller super balance and had planned to sell the property and roll the proceeds into super. This would not show up in their statistics unless you went looking for it. We will see, but I think the law of unintended consequences so often attributed to Labor will bite the Libs on the proverbial. And I think they will find that at voting on 2 July a lot more people will matter than expected!

  50. jupes

    From Bolta:

    check the news from just this week:
    – terror raids in Melbourne
    – terror arrest in Sydney
    – men refusing to stand for a magistrate in a Melbourne court on the grounds that Allah forbids them to submit
    – debate over the huge cost of importing illiterate refugees
    – and an Egyptian plane crashes, almost certainly the target of a terrorist attack:

    But hey, let’s vote LDP and open the borders to more Muslims.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  51. I urge you if you are considering letting your vote go to informal, please use it for Shooters, Farmers and Fishers in the Senate. That is a message directly against the priorities of the Liberals, and Shooters were the first and most serious betrayal of the base.

  52. Ellen of Tasmania

    As far as I am concerned for a Lib Senator to be worth voting for and saving, they would have to be on both lists – Abbott voters and Bernardi supporters.

    Memory,

    I thought that’s what my questions would ascertain. They won’t be getting my first prefs anyway, but I want to know what issues are more important to them than their Liberal membership. I have no doubt that if Mr. Turnbull wins, he will be marching left. He’s a regressive through and through. (IMHO, of course.)

  53. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Chris #2034984, posted on May 20, 2016 at 11:42 am…

    There’s no need for an informal vote in the senate now that optional preferential is the go. Only those worthy of election need get a number. I think that would be clear to all Cat commenters and lurkers. Beyone that, MV’s call to spread the message far and wide applies.

    In the House of Reps, where almost all seats come down to LNP versus ALP, a #WeDoMatter informal vote may be the only way to get a message through. I plan to apply it in my reasonably safe ALP seat of Bruce.

  54. Tel

    In doing so I noticed Parramatta is on a margin of 1.32% as per the AEC.

    Yeah, gunna be close. I’d like to see the incumbent unseated, not that I have any particular grudge against her but she’s pretty well useless and she always just campaigns on more spending… apparently that’s the only purpose of government to spend more of other people’s money. I know, I know… the others will also spend… very little to choose between them.

    Even if the Libs win in Parramatta I don’t want the Evil Dr Termite to go home feeling comfortable.

  55. Rabz

    MV – I publicised the WDM campaign in a comment at Bolt’s yesterday.

  56. Robber Baron

    I thought that’s what my questions would ascertain. They won’t be getting my first prefs anyway, but I want to know what issues are more important to them than their Liberal membership. I have no doubt that if Mr. Turnbull wins, he will be marching left. He’s a regressive through and through. (IMHO, of course.)

    In fact, Turnbull is the worst kind of regressive. He will give away taxpayer money but not his own. I’d respect him if he gave away all his money for the causes he believes in.

    He is a scumbag of the highest order. Australia will pay dearly if they elect him.

  57. Tel

    please use it for Shooters, Farmers and Fishers in the Senate.

    Thanks, I had forgotten… yes they will be early in my Senate list as well. The major parties will all be last. Would be great to see the negotiations if Shooters have balance of power. Every Senate should be as hostile and obstructive as possible.

    Essential part of our Constitutional Democracy is a house of Far Queue.

  58. Tim Neilson

    Tel
    #2035300, posted on May 20, 2016 at 5:28 pm
    You don’t have to have them on your list at all. With the new below the line rule, if there are 12 non-vomitous candidates from minor parties, you can allow your vote to expire with no danger of besmirching yourself by letting your preferences drift to any of ALP, Greens or Termite supporters.

  59. Hammer. Nail. Head, Tim.
    It’s interesting. I know the new Senate voting rules were designed to eliminate the small-party cross-benchers, but I think the major parties are in for a rather unpleasant surprise. Maybe not this election where, being a DD, people have to number 12 squares, but in a more normal half-Senate election where they will only have to number six squares below the line, I see the distinct possibility of both Liberal and Labor being decimated in the Upper House.

  60. Eyrie

    mv, 12 beats the heck out of 73 or so to number in order. My vote sure isn’t going to either Lib, Lab or Greens. Just make sure your vote doesn’t go to any greenie/bleeding heart/luvvy party pretending not to be the Greens.

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