More dodginess on plain packaging

Last week Ashton de Silva and I published a working paper on SSRN critiquing the Tobacco Control papers on plain packaging.

On Friday the Victorian Cancer Council responded. Ashton and I will closely examining their press release – but in the meantime I want to point out this irregularity:

Contrary to the statement by Davidson and de Silva (page 15), this analysis [the Post-Implementation Review] did control for several major tax increases that occurred in Australia prior to the implementation of the tobacco plain packaging policy and during one and two years afterwards …

Two very small problems:

  1. Our paper isn’t about the PIR at all – we don’t mention it or discuss it.
  2. Our page 15 says nothing of the sort.

Our page 15 contains the overflow from a table on page 14.

page 15

Makes you wonder what paper they are reading? Who are they quoting? What document do they have? What quality control measures do they have in place?

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18 Responses to More dodginess on plain packaging

  1. Ragu

    These guys are unreal. Do they get anything right? Maybe somebody should head around there and check to see if they are wiping their arses

  2. Baldrick

    On Friday the Victorian Cancer Council responded.

    Well there’s ya problem, right there. Another cabal of tax mooching, non-independent, nanny-state, big government do-gooders.

  3. Entropy

    They don’t have to be factually right. They are the Angels, and you are the baddie. It’s the vibe.

  4. rich

    No you work for big tobacco doomlord! You are muddying the waters with studies designed to slow down the decline of smoking!!!

    … isn’t it fun when they project their inadequacies on you? They’re the ones who can’t even quote a study right.

    I had a debate the other day with a woman who was concerned that the gorilla shot for minding its own business was getting more press than illegal immigrants dying in the crossing of the Mediterranean. I kept asking her polite but pointed questions and she kept obstuficating the answer.
    It’s about the vibe you see. Being emotional and feeling right gives you license to do whatever it takes to win the crusade… in the Cancer Council’s case no facts can stop their march against the scourge of smoking. That’s because we all know smoking is bad, and we have to save poor smokers from their own choices, because obviously they’re not adult enough to stop smoking themselves… or could it be that the govt is too addicted to the tax revenue to ban it outright??

  5. Two very small problems:

    Our paper isn’t about the PIR at all – we don’t mention it or discuss it.
    Our page 15 says nothing of the sort.

    Doomlord;
    Your two points are irrelevant. What has happened is that they have successfully (in their opinion) rebutted your entire argument and can point to it in their defence. The fact that they haven’t actually done that is irrelevant. The Victorian Cancer Council has deliberately misrepresented your rebuttal, knowing that 99% of researchers won’t dig any deeper.
    Something the Left is good at – lying.

  6. johno

    They are of the Left, so it doesn’t matter what they say, no journalist will hold them to account.

  7. Some History

    Our page 15 says nothing of the sort.

    The Cancer Council knows what should be on p.15. It’s you, Sinc, that have failed to put the relevant information on p.15.

    Makes you wonder what paper they are reading? Who are they quoting? What document do they have? What quality control measures do they have in place?

    These moralizing, incompetent, lying twonks heading a “charity” are on pretty sizeable salaries. The lowest salary is Admin Assistant at $80,000. There’s 1 x $160,000-169,999; 1 x $190,000-199,999; 1 x $240,000-249,999; 1 x $250,000-259,999; 1x $270,000-279,999 (p.39). And that was for 2014.
    http://www.cancervic.org.au/downloads/annual_reviews/financial/financial-report-2014.pdf

  8. Some History

    Puddlecote has a useful piece on the Tobacco Control liars re “plain packaging”:
    http://dickpuddlecote.blogspot.com.au/2016/06/calm-down-old-chappers.html

  9. Fred Lenin

    Its good to see Some leftoids working for a pittance to help the victims of this dreadfull disease .The spirit of Altruism lives on amongst the Narxists , Yeah right comrades !

  10. Some History

    Here’s a good example of the obnoxious, neurotic, hysterical (eyes bulging, too) bigots produced by Public Health antismoking:

    http://www.thehealthsite.com/videos/diseases-conditions/do-this-when-you-see-someone-smoke-t0516/#disqus_thread

    Watch the video:

  11. Some History

    Here’s a good example of the obnoxious, neurotic, hysterical (eyes bulging, too) bigots produced by Public Health antismoking:

    http://www.thehealthsite.com/videos/diseases-conditions/do-this-when-you-see-someone-smoke-t0516/

    Watch the short video:

  12. Some History

    Here’s a good example of the obnoxious, neurotic, hysterical (eyes bulging, too) bigots produced by Public Health antismoking:

    “Do this when you see someone smoke”

  13. Some History

    Here’s a good example of the obnoxious, neurotic, hysterical (eyes bulging, too) bigots produced by Public Health antismoking:

    http://www.thehealthsite.com/videos/diseases-conditions/do-this-when-you-see-someone-smoke-t0516/

    Watch the short video in the link.

  14. Some History

    ERBIL – Extremists of the Islamic State (ISIS) on Wednesday
    executed six men in the city of Mosul in Iraq’s northwestern
    Nineveh province for selling cigarettes, activists and
    eyewitnesses reported
    .
    Smoking or selling cigarettes has been for years banned under
    the rule of the ISIS self-declared Caliphate in areas under the
    group’s control in Iraq and Syria. Those who violate ISIS
    regulations are exposed to brutal punishment, mostly public
    execution.
    “The ISIS-led Islamic Police of Hisba arrested six men in Mosul
    on charges of selling cigarettes. They were then referred to the
    Sharia Court which ordered their immediate execution on
    Wednesday on charges of violating the rules imposed by their alleged
    Caliphate,” media activist Abdullah al-Malla told ARANews in Mosul.
    The six men were publicly executed by firing squad in the Bursa
    square in central Mosul, eyewitnesses told ARA News.
    “Hundreds of people witnessed the brutal execution. The
    victim’s corpses were then moved to the al-Tib al-Adli hospital
    in Mosul,” the source reported.

    http://aranews.net/2016/06/isis-executes-cigarette-sellers-iraqs-mosul/

  15. Rabz

    What has happened is that they have successfully (in their opinion) rebutted your entire argument and can point to it in their defence. The fact that they haven’t actually done that is irrelevant.

    You are 100% correct Winston. I appreciate Sinc’s efforts, but this is what he’s up against. Unrepentant, cloth eared pillocks.

  16. Some History

    ISIS executes cigarette sellers in Iraq’s Mosul

    While it despises all else about the West, the bloodthirsty murderers of ISIS have adopted the West’s antismoking, something more with which to bludgeon their captives, instituting a complete (everywhere) ban on smoking with brutal fervor ….. for the “good” (at gunpoint) of their captives, of course…. for a “healthy” society:

    Antismoking is “anti”; it’s an extreme, prohibitionist view. It’s always a symptom of a dictatorial mindset. The only issue then is the magnitude of coercive measures to conformity. With ISIS, a brutal, savage bunch, people are ordered not to smoke under threat of having fingers and ears lopped off, if not worse such as execution. In the less brutal West, for example, the punitive measures are more “civilized”, consisting of inflammatory propaganda concerning the “risks” of smoking and secondary smoke to nonsmokers, pitting a majority against a minority, ostracizing/de-normalizing smoking/smokers from normal, mainstream society, smoking bans galore – indoors and out, the depiction of smokers as a “leper” class that contaminate the “clean” and are a “burden” to society, and fleecing smokers through baseless, ever-increasing extortionate taxes. Maybe the West’s Public Health wants us to be thankful that it hasn’t [yet] ordered smokers be shot on sight.

    Just some scrutiny of prohibitionism reveals contradictions galore. But in the case of ISIS the absurdities are eye watering. The antismoking meme used by ISIS is that smoking is “slow suicide”. Engage in the “slow suicide” (involving old age) and ISIS will mutilate or kill young adults in the here and now. This is coming from butchers of men that are themselves suicidal in an accurate sense of the term through their abominable “world conquest” conduct. They could get blown up at any time in their physical prime by opposing military forces. Then there’s a subset of these nut cases that do actual suicide by blowing themselves up with bomb vests and belts, taking as many with them as possible.

  17. Some History

    We know that the Public Health wankers are, at least, science illiterate, history illiterate, economics illiterate, and human nature illiterate. They are well paid (usually at taxpayer expense) propagandists (professional liars) for the prohibition “cause”. And don’t these narcissistic tossers just love awards. These award nights are usually 5-star events. The moralizing plonkers fawn over each other and tongue-kiss each others’ ears [yuck] with great helpings of “you’re great”, “no, you’re great”, “no, you’re great”. It’s sickening.

    It’s that time of year again. Twonk headquarters – the World Health Organization – has given its “No Tobacco Day” awards.

    Every year, WHO recognizes individuals or organizations in each of the six WHO Regions for their accomplishments in the area of tobacco control. This recognition takes the form of WHO Director-General Special Recognition Awards, World No Tobacco Day Awards, and in 2016, two WHO Director-General’s Special Recognition Certificates.

    http://www.who.int/tobacco/wntd/awards-2016/en/

    There’s excitement in the land down under. Straya’s own Mike Drab (a self-proclaimed “superhero”) and Melanie Fakefield were awarded “WHO Director-General’s Special Recognition certificates” for their services to pathological lying and nitwittery.
    Tobacco Control, Straya, get the tongues ready. There’s an awards gala coming.

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