Two essays on Trump

Two op-eds on Trump have caught my eye in the past few days: Joe Epstein in the WSJ and Nick Cater in Quadrant Online.

They both make similar arguments and similar points.
Epstein:

Something deeper, I believe, is rumbling behind the astounding support for Mr. Trump, a man who, apart from his large but less than pure business success, appears otherwise entirely without qualification for the presidency. I had a hint of what might be behind the support for him a few weeks ago when, on one of the major network news shows, I watched a reporter ask a woman at a Trump rally why she was supporting him. A thoroughly respectable-seeming middle-class woman, she replied without hesitation: “I want my country back.”

Cater:

The uncomfortable truth for the political class is that in so far as Trump exploits hatred, the principal object of that hatred is not Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals. The hate is aimed squarely at the political class itself. The anger welling up around their ankles is the product of exasperation towards politically correct, morally arrogant, know-it-all, condescending urban sophisticates—people in other words just like themselves.

Yes – I understand the points being made. Many people don’t think that many social and technological changes that have occurred in the past few decades are for the better. Yet I’m hard pressed to nominate changes that are unambiguously bad. To be sure at many margins the progressive left have over-reached. Yet there is push-back; perhaps not as quick or as comprehensive as some would like, but push-back nonetheless.

The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians. They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us. In this sense they are little different from many on the progressive left (including nanny staters) who simply have a different delusion they wish to impose.

As satisfying as it is, hatred cannot be the basis of a political philosophy consistent with liberal democracy and the enlightenment.

So while I don’t disagree with Cater and Epstein’s overall prescriptions I do think they are over-analysing the problem. People may think that “They want their country back” and that this isn’t really about “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”. But it is. For all the talk about insiders and outsiders and elites and what-have-you (that I think is more or less correct) the fact is Trump himself has focused his hate messages on “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”.

One important difference between insider-politicians and outsiders is that insiders don’t always mean what they say. I have no doubt the Trump does mean what he says.

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223 Responses to Two essays on Trump

  1. Diesal

    Easy the misanthropic approach of the greens and their fellow travellers. Turnbull and incandescent lightbulb for starters.

  2. Diesal

    I sure want my country back, I pay for t.

  3. Snoopy

    Why mention technological change at all, Sinc? Who else did?

  4. Old School Conservative

    An anti-anything stance does not automatically mean hate.
    Being against Muslim immigration can be a sensible position based on logic, not hate of people who believe in Islam.
    Wanting to restrict illegal immigration from Mexico can be justified on economic and social grounds, not a reaction based on hatred of Mexicans.
    I’m not aware of any hateful messages from Trump against women and homosexuals.
    It seems that anyone who is losing an argument resorts to calling their opponent hateful, because subjective feelings are harder to prove than factual evidence.

  5. Andreas

    a man who, apart from his large but less than pure business success, appears otherwise entirely without qualification for the presidency

    That’s rather like saying “Clive Palmer – apart from his humungous gut – cuts a svelte figure”. So he has heaps of relevant experience – leadership, managing people and picking the right ones for the job, working within budgets, marketing and salesmanship, etc., etc.

    A thoroughly respectable-seeming middle-class woman, she replied without hesitation: “I want my country back.”

    What’s not respectable about that statement?

    As satisfying as it is, hatred cannot be the basis of a political philosophy consistent with liberal democracy and the enlightenment.

    Do the Japanese hate us because they meticulously police their borders? I certainly don’t think they do. It’s not hatred to control your country’s borders. Merely common sense.

  6. Andrew M.

    Oh! Those were the dayyyys my friend,
    we thought they’d neeever end…
    http://i.imgur.com/jDtMoU2.jpg

  7. stackja

    HRC will continue BO agenda. The post World War II era may not survive. Whether this is good or bad depends on from when you count. The 1950s were mostly good. The Left has the chance now to finish off Western society as we have come to know it.

  8. teddy bear

    You complain that Trump and his supporters and the “delcons” here wish to use those institutions you supposedly hold dear to impose their view on their countries but that is wrong, what people want is to stop people using our institutions as vehicles for their idiological changes or to enrich themselves through cronyism and corruption, but as is typical of people such as yourself you are always ever keen to put words into our mouths.

  9. Mique

    In the “hateful” category, Trump is clearly out-classed (yes, even I would not stoop to that pun) by the genuinely despicable Clinton. That said, that either Clinton or Trump could possibly win a Primary and even the Presidency says all that needs to be said about the state of America today. Ditto for Australia with Turnbull and Shorten. Poor buggers us.

  10. Brett

    Democracy was supposed to be the ultimate expression of the will of people, and to serve the people by implementing the outcomes for which the majority voted. That is simply no longer so; as professional politicians and their parties have turned the system to their advantage, been captured by and then served the interests of groups who fund their activities at the expense of the voters, manipulated the electorate and media to achieve re-election and then returned to their business of professional politics. When people say they want their country back I suspect what they really mean is that they want the political system returned to the control and service of the people, not professional politicians and their backers. The attraction of Trump lies in his outsider status and his capacity to break open a political system that is not any longer government by the people for the people. The people who support Trump probably care less about what he might actually do than his role as a disrupter of the increasingly broken and hijacked political system.

  11. shady

    Gee funny how you left out Epstein’s analyst:
    Who, one needs to ask, took it away? Short answer: the cultural warriors…the struggle for tradition, liberty and private business endeavor has been substantially stalled. Multiculturalism, identity politics, political correctness, victimhood—the progressivist program generally…What the woman who said she wants her country back really meant was that she couldn’t any longer bear to watch the United States on the descent, hostage to progressivist ideas that bring neither contentment nor satisfaction but instead foster a state of perpetual protest and agitation, anger and tumult.
    So great is the frustration of Americans who do not believe in these progressivist ideas, who see them as ultimately tearing the country apart, that they are ready to turn, in their near hopelessness, to a man of Donald Trump’s patently low quality. In doing so they fail to realize that Mr. Trump has succeeded in this political season precisely because of the successful spread of these pernicious ideas. Or, to put it in the 1960s terms from which the current progressivism ultimately derives: Donald Trump, who in his vagueness and vapidity is unlikely to provide any solution, is himself part of the problem.

  12. Bad Samaritan

    Trump is 100% correct on his two major “hate” themes. Curtailing Muslim immigration and building the border wall.

    Apart from Islam is there any organization in any western country which has demos calling for the mass-murder of non-believers? Think 500+ Muslims in central Sydney demanding the beheading of anyone not accepting Mohhomed’s decrees and then tell us who the haters deserving of rejection are. Think 1000 rapists in a German city on the rampage. Think the endless preaching in Mosques calling for murder. Think a bunch of dickheads murdering 3000+ people in New York City and thousands of US Muslims dancing and cheering at the news. Think that, of all places for the procurement of a murder weapon to take place, the Parramatta killer knew a Mosque was it.

    Meanwhile, what Mexico has to say about anyone going there illegally…..

    • Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
    “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)
    – Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
    – Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)
    • Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
    – A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
    • Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:

    And so on….Mexico’s Govt is not run by f*ckwits. There is no Magic Negro down there.

  13. Big_Nambas

    Well said, TEDDY BEAR.

  14. Snoopy

    Shorter Sinc: Illegal immigration is beaut, Trump is a beast. Because iPhone.

  15. Anonymous

    Way off the mark!
    Epstein has been writing uninsightful Democrat drivel about Trump for months.
    Trumps negative views on the “Mexican-American”, positively discriminated, La Raza supporting Democrat judge are entirely justified.
    Why would anyone in an institution like you be worried if they weren’t of a Marcusian bent?
    You’re sounding awfully like an elitist!

  16. davo of thorneside

    Agree with Cat Sinc on most things, but re Trump….Get yer hand off it maate.

  17. The Hunted Mind

    It’s Little Green Footballs all over again.
    Hand the blog over to someone else, Sinc, before it’s too late.

  18. mem

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians. They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us.

    Would you care to define barbarian? I’ve not seen anything that justifies such a description. He is a sharp businessman, a clever communicator and appears to have a great love of his country. Bold and brazen perhaps. But a barbarian? As for him “imposing his views” please also give evidence. The guy is out there airing his views and it seems that a lot of voters like what he says and have therefore pledged support. Surely what you expect in a democracy?

  19. Rayzor

    Trump is outclassed by persons such as yourself professor. Your hatred for his capturing the hearts of genuine lovers of a good nation is exemplified in your use of labels. Labels are the tools in trade of those who are lost!!!
    Professor you need very much to study the very issues that use use to stimulate hatred against Trump (not the underlying principles) to find your way in understanding the meaning of democracy. You have in your darkness allowed yourself to come under the spell of the cultural marxists.

  20. Peter

    For the first time in 50 years a presidential candidate unapologetically takes on the left and calls them out on their BS and so called conservatives start pissing their pants. It’s like they’re uncomfortable with the idea of winning. They are even using the left’s smear terms: “hate” “racism” etc.

    The left has been expressing open hate for: men, the family, Christians, heterosexuals and whites for decades now so spare me the disingenuous mewling and bleating about “hate”.

    I’m starting to think these anti-trump conservatives were really undercover liberals all along.

  21. HRT

    From an American blog:

    I have my doubts about Trump.
    I have no doubts about Hillary.
    Vote for Trump.

    If there is an error there, I cannot see it.

  22. Fisky

    Libertarians support Hillary in this election because they believe she will bring in more Muslim immigrants, and Muslim immigration is always the highest priority in libertarianism, with property rights and welfare spending being much lower order concerns.

  23. Ragu

    Wanting to restrict illegal immigration from Mexico can be justified on economic and social grounds, not a reaction based on hatred of Mexicans.

    People are pissed off because they are getting done for having a car rego two days out of date while the political class provide sanctuary to a slime ball that shot Kate Steinle.

  24. cynical1

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians.

    And what are Labor/Union thugs, perverts demanding equality and welfare refugees?

    Barbarians?

    You wouldn’t know one if he robbed you…

  25. lordazrael

    Institutions like the hrc, universities, the public service etc all dominated by leftists thought?
    Burn them all.

  26. A Lurker

    It seems that anyone who is losing an argument resorts to calling their opponent hateful, because subjective feelings are harder to prove than factual evidence.

    Absolutely spot on. Labelling someone as speaking or writing hate speech what Regressive Socialists do.

    As for myself, I don’t hate the other side of politics – I do think however that they are hypocrital, illogical, unwise, irrational, naive, easily led, follow their emotions and feelings to the detriment of common sense, and I do believe quite a few are terminally stupid, and some are downright evil.

    In many ways what I feel for them is pity and a deep sadness that they have been brainwashed and corrupted so utterly by the ones who I suspect possess dark hearts and souls.

    What Trump is, is a natural correction. He may not be America’s political messiah, but he certainly has rocked the Establishment boat, and hopefully, hopefully he will sink it entirely.

  27. C.L.

    Something deeper, I believe, is rumbling behind the astounding support for Mr. Trump, a man who, apart from his large but less than pure business success

    I seem to recall a post here defending the so-called “Robber Barons.”
    Now ‘libertarians’ fiddle with their bow-ties and denounce impure business.
    They are no different to Clive Hamilton.

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians …

    No, proponents of gay ‘marriage’, sex grooming in schools, open borders and multiculturalism are the barbarians.

    … the fact is Trump himself has focused his hate messages on “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”.

    I can’t recall Trump ever commenting on homosexuality.
    (Hardly anybody actually is homosexual, by the way, according to the CDC).

    … hatred cannot be the basis of a political philosophy consistent with liberal democracy and the enlightenment.

    Nonsense. Lovers of liberty hate the enemies of liberty.
    Does anyone seriously deny the multicultural, homosexual, feminist and Muslim lobbies are enemies of liberty? Anyone? Put your hand up. Don’t be shy.

  28. So he has heaps of relevant experience – leadership, managing people and picking the right ones for the job, working within budgets, marketing and salesmanship, etc., etc.

    Yeah, underpaying contractors, hiring illegals, sending family businesses to the wall by not paying his debts, going bankrupt, losing money running casinos, going bankrupt again, defrauding regular people with Trump U, going bankrupt yet again, being a subject of over 3,500 lawsuits including 169 federal suits… yep, lots of relevant experience to being leader of the free world.

  29. Mayan

    Government grows and grows, taking more resources, weaving an enormous web of laws, and then someone realises this gollem could be used to beat up their enemies, and anyone who has hurt them in the past. Then those people fight for control of the gollem, so they can inflict some payback.

    And very few people question why we’ve built the gollem in the first place, and whether it was a good idea.

  30. Ragu

    Your right mOnty, the US needs to hang onto that former coke addict and golf aficionado to do more community organisation

  31. Fisky

    yep, lots of relevant experience to being leader of the free world.

    Of course it’s relevant. Only Trump knows how to stiff your creditors without your business going down the drain, and he’s set to apply these skills to managing America’s $21 trillion debt. Also, you can’t con Trump, it’s not possible, so any high stakes poker between Trump and Putin will be to America’s advantage.

  32. Faye

    “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”. The Left nag endlessly about them. The country’s safety, economic security and the ability to “have a go” never get mentioned.
    The Conservatives say:
    “Hispanics” – let’s control our borders by controlling the quality and numbers AND welcome those who make it.
    “Muslims” – how about the reasonable Muslim folk object loudly to the obvious shortcomings of a section of their community and bring about change. There is a lot to be admired starting with their exceptionally beautiful designs, buildings, artwork, etc, however, it’s the abhorrent acts that we object to. Also the world is not for their taking. Okay!
    “Women” – aren’t they lovely? But the feminism thing is over the top now. Being a woman, please don’t demean me with a quota, how belittling! The merit system is the way to go.
    “Homosexuals” – being in the television industry, some of our best mates were hilariously out there. We loved them. Unlike our mates, today’s range of sexual preferences shove it in our faces. Please enjoy your private lives, privately.

    Politically Correct – has gone bananas. The academics who sit on their bums all day and contemplate their navels have got to stop.
    Truth, Logic & Commonsense – these have disappeared. They’re not even taught. Perceptions and seemings reign. Heaven help us!

    Trump will use “truth, logic and commonsense” instead of the politically correct crap. A new beginning for the Western world. Just as Brexit is the first domino to fall in the EU, so will Trump be the catalyst to chop up the old way of doing business. This has upset the carpetbaggers no end.

  33. Ragu

    Trump will sell more Sara Lee to the Russians that Ronnie Raygun would have ever dreamed.

  34. Your right mOnty, the US needs to hang onto that former coke addict and golf aficionado to do more community organisation

    You mean Dubbya? Nah, even the Republicans can’t argue with the fact that he was the worst president in living memory.

  35. A Lurker

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians.

    Barbarians?
    These people, Professor Sinclair, are the barbarians.
    But of course it is hate speech to label them as such, even though they are easily recognisable as barbarians to anyone with sufficient grey matter in their skull.

  36. Fisky

    People write as if Trump being a con man is a bad thing. Since when! We need a con man in the White House who is wise to all the tricks that foreign leaders are always pulling. Also, the donors and lobbyists will make no headway with Trump, because he doesn’t need their money.

    So there is no downside at all.

  37. Of course it’s relevant. Only Trump knows how to stiff your creditors without your business going down the drain, and he’s set to apply these skills to managing America’s $21 trillion debt. Also, you can’t con Trump, it’s not possible, so any high stakes poker between Trump and Putin will be to America’s advantage.

    Hahaha Fisky, your jokes are so on point!

  38. Fisky

    It’s just not acceptable to say, “Trump is a con man” and pretend that is an argument against him being President. So I always ask in response, “WHY is it bad to have a con man as President?” but they never give a reasoned response. Sorry, not good enough.

    The choice in this election is between a seasoned rip-off artist who has built some swanky hotels by stiffing his creditors, and a totally bought-and-paid-for hack who is controlled by foreign government donors. No contest.

  39. Art Vandelay

    For the first time in 50 years a presidential candidate unapologetically takes on the left and calls them out on their BS and so called conservatives start pissing their pants.

    Spot on. Politicians on the supposedly Conservative side across the Western world have capitulated to the screeching howler monkeys on the Left on pretty much every issue, for example: political correctness, the size of government, higher taxes, the nanny state, over-regulation, global warming.

    Not only are they cowards, they liars. After every terrorist attack from some nutball shouting “Allahu Akbar”, Conservative politicians line up to sagely intone that this “had nothing to do with Islam” when any reasonable observer would conclude that it clearly did.

    Moreover, they lie to their own supporters. Who can forget our ‘libertarian’ Prime Minister?

    This will be a thoroughly liberal government. It will be a thoroughly liberal government committed to freedom, the individual and the market.

    If someone like Trump came along and promised to tar and feather the elites, incompetents, nanny staters and shysters who make up our political class (particularly those in the Liberal party), I’d vote for him too.

  40. It’s just not acceptable to say, “Trump is a con man” and pretend that is an argument against him being President. So I always ask in response, “WHY is it bad to have a con man as President?” but they never give a reasoned response. Sorry, not good enough.

    You’re the mark, chuckles.

  41. Vicki

    One of the most disappointing aspects of the anti-Enlightenment thinking amongst the “elites” & otherwise “educated” sections of western communities is that it is most entrenched in academic institutions.

    It is therefore common to see essentially democratic sentiments labelled as “populist”, while any criticism of favoured minority issues is variously labelled as “racist”, misogynist etc.

    Sadly, Sinc. appears to fit into this syndrome in relation to the popular response to Trump. But it is equally encouraging to see that so many Cats perceive the historical and economic forces underlying the Trump phenomenon.

  42. Boambee John

    If the only thing Trump does is to destroy the so called “progressive” malignance of “political correctness”, it will be 1000 times any achievement that Turnbull has recorded.

  43. Rudiau

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians.

    Barbarians?
    These people, Professor Sinclair, are the barbarians.
    But of course it is hate speech to label them as such, even though they are easily recognisable as barbarians to anyone with sufficient grey matter in their skull.
    Pinched A Lurker.

    It disgusts me have to share the planet with these despicables.

  44. Oh come on

    I said many times that Abbott was definitely a problem, but Turnbull was most certainly not the solution.

    It’s the same with Trump, but I think I’ll use a medical metaphor. Many clearly see Trump as something of a disease. Trouble is that Hillary is the only cure to that disease on offer now, and it seems pretty obvious to me that the cure is far more toxic than the disease.

  45. Mayan

    There seems to be a link between controlling, thuggish governments and the cult of personality.

  46. Ragu

    It’s the same with Trump, but I think I’ll use a medical metaphor. Many clearly see Trump as something of a disease. Trouble is that Hillary is the only cure to that disease on offer now, and it seems pretty obvious to me that the cure is far more toxic than the disease.

    You need to hit the peyote and rethink all that guff

  47. Oh come on

    This might be an appropriate moment to rewatch Bill Whittle’s take on Trump.

    Obviously, events have intervened since it was made, making short parts of it dated (or in the case of Biden, perhaps prophetic), but his basic argument is still spot-on as far as I’m concerned.

  48. A Lurker

    In the eyes of our Regressive academic elite, this person is considered a barbarian.
    Rational people, however, know that these are the real barbarians in Australia.

  49. Oh come on

    Wow, that’s two Cats who’d prefer Hillary over Trump? Go and stand over into corner next to m0nty, ragu. You never know; he might let you borrow his dunce’s hat for a while.

  50. Fisky

    The Clinton Global Initiative is basically a hedge fund for Central Asian dictators who park their ill-gotten gains with the Clintons in return for lots of goodies once she gets elected. One-sided trade deals, credit write-downs, weapons system giveaways, phony aid packages…all will be on the table if their campaign contributions get her over the line.

    Much safer to go with Trump.

  51. Sinc,

    with all the respect due to you, our host and moderator of this site…

    Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

  52. herodotus

    Trump not qualified? If only he’d been a dusky community organiser and friend of former terrorists, not to mention a long-term pew warmer at the Church of God Damn Amerika! If only he’d been a senator who managed to vote “Present” but contribute little of any value to the nation. We know how qualified a lot of our Senators are even for the job they have in the Senate.

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians. They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us.

    You mean like sooling the IRS onto political opponents or anyone with the bad luck to be noticed saying something negative about the Obamanaut?

  53. Andreas

    underpaying contractors

    Yeah it would be just horrible to have a government that underpaid contractors instead of massively overpaying them with taxpayers’ money like all those ‘experienced’ politicians do.

    And yes sometimes you have to be mean to be successful in business, I’m sure the US could use someone like that in charge for a change instead of a meek pansy. I mean if he has experience screwing over creditors as you attest then that seems highly relevant to a country $17 trillion in the hole.

    The US President isn’t there to be nice.

  54. CR

    Oh so Trump is like the Libertarians who despise the institution of marriage, parenthood and want the most illiberal ideology -namely the ontological absurdity of gay marriage – shoved down our throats with the full weight of the state? Yep, I’m sticking with Brendan O’Neill and camille Paglia. When even a radical Marxist and radical bisexual feminist get how illiberal the libertarians are and what child abuse they promote, you know the libertarians are total ass clownd.

  55. Ragu

    Get a big black dog up ya

    I’m on the Trump train.

    I’ll make easier for you to understand

    Your analogy is retarded.

  56. Tel

    Joseph Epstein needs to use the word “Trumpkins” because nothing dignifies a piece of literary work like name calling. Sure, I’m aware that perhaps the editor pasted that title not the author, but that’s a contractual arrangement, and there’s only one name on the article. Personal responsibility and all that.

    Don’t want your article dismissed out of hand? No problem, just refrain from name calling and put forward a real argument.

    Many people don’t think that many social and technological changes that have occurred in the past few decades are for the better. Yet I’m hard pressed to nominate changes that are unambiguously bad.

    People can recognize what has been bad for them, mostly the loss of employment opportunities. However, in many cases the “Progressives” have been outright proud that their policies have been bad for what they see as the evil white Christian middle-America that they despise. The media hacks like Epstein are a tiny bit more circumspect but now and then it comes across pretty clearly that they do despise the people who say “I want my country back,” as if to say, “How dare you feel pride and ownership in a nation!”

    Yet there is push-back; perhaps not as quick or as comprehensive as some would like, but push-back nonetheless.

    Trump is the push-back… and I think he’s just the start of the push-back.

    For all the talk about insiders and outsiders and elites and what-have-you (that I think is more or less correct) the fact is Trump himself has focused his hate messages on “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”.

    You want to follow that up with some evidence or something?

    What I’m saying here, is that it was “Progressives” who pelted a woman with eggs, that doesn’t exactly show respect for women now does it? It was “Progressives” who beat up a homosexual guy who turned up to see Trump speak. People who do that sort of thing also void their warranty when it comes to accusing others of hatred. When we have a “social contract” it really does mean “contract” so parties are bound by that agreement. Doesn’t mean some people get to do whatever they want.

  57. Tel

    Trump not qualified? If only he’d been a dusky community organiser and friend of former terrorists, not to mention a long-term pew warmer at the Church of God Damn Amerika! If only he’d been a senator who managed to vote “Present” but contribute little of any value to the nation. We know how qualified a lot of our Senators are even for the job they have in the Senate.

    Now, now herodotus, you are ignoring some excellent speeches that Senator Obama put forward regarding the Constitutional constraints on executive power.

  58. Makka

    One thing Trump is accomplishing and that is forcing Libertarians out into the open exposing their leftist Green mindsets.

    First Trump was a racist, now he’s a barbarian , eh Sinc? The desperation is starting to panic the academics. Could be their exalted position as the soothsayers of all things moral and PC is coming under threat.

    Trumps is showing everyone that not only does the Emperor have no clothes. It appears he is a dickless wonder as well.

  59. Mayan

    they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us.

    This is where it eventually ends up. When the government grows large and powerful, it becomes a weapon, and instead of asking whether allowing it to become a weapon was a good idea, most people will want to control the weapon and do harm to their enemies and take revenge on those who they believe have hurt them.

    It’s an equal opportunity offence, committed with glee by all parties, who then forget their use of the weapon and turn to claiming victimhood when it is seized by another party.

  60. Ragu

    Don’t pile on Sinclair too hard, he is just giving us our daily bucket of Trump thread.

    Is Ant ok, yet?

  61. I mean if he has experience screwing over creditors as you attest then that seems highly relevant to a country $17 trillion in the hole.

    I keep seeing this argument from idiots who don’t understand what the US defaulting on its debt would mean, or don’t care. You remember the end of Fight Club? Something like that. That would be bad.

  62. Makka

    You know you are on to a Leftscum winner when rake detectors like m0nty are wetting their pants while running all over the thread backing you up. Libertarians and the left are natural allies.

  63. CR

    Tel you jest, surely. Constitutional constraints? Obama? You do know how many fascist executive orders the Kenyan has signed don’t you? Obama is 100% chicago thug politician.

  64. ella

    “Would you care to define barbarian? I’ve not seen anything that justifies such a description.”

    Mem – Consider the following description of a barbarian:

    “What Finkielkraut calls “the undoing of thought” flows from the widespread disintegration of a faith. At the center of that faith is the assumption that the life of thought is “the higher life” and that culture—what the Germans call Bildung—is its end or goal. The process of disintegration has lately become an explicit attack on culture. This is not simply to say that there are many anti-intellectual elements in society: that has always been the case. “Non-thought,” in Finkielkraut’s phrase, has always co-existed with the life of the mind. The innovation of contemporary culture is to have obliterated the distinction between the two. “It is,” he writes, “the first time in European history that non-thought has donned the same label and enjoyed the same status as thought itself, and the first time that those who, in the name of ‘high culture,’ dare to call this non-thought by its name, are dismissed as racists and reactionaries.” The attack is perpetrated not from outside, by uncomprehending barbarians, but chiefly from inside, by a new class of barbarians, the self-made barbarians of the intelligentsia. This is the undoing of thought. This is the new “treason of the intellectuals.”

    https://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cfm/The-treason-of-the-intellectuals—-ldquo-The-Undoing-of-Thought-rdquo–4648

  65. Andreas

    I keep seeing this argument from idiots who don’t understand what the US defaulting on its debt would mean, or don’t care. You remember the end of Fight Club? Something like that. That would be bad.

    LOL then why are you on the left – you know, the side that wants to keep the US, the UK, Europe, Australia, etc. spending and borrowing ever more money. Where the hell do think that’s going to end?

    Monty the fiscal conservative suddenly emerges. So credible.

  66. Tel

    I keep seeing this argument from idiots who don’t understand what the US defaulting on its debt would mean, or don’t care.

    There’s still a handful of idiots around the place who think the US is mathematically capable of paying it’s debt. Sure they could always print money (which Trump has spoken of) but that’s merely default by an alternative means. Then remaining questions are when, and how much.

  67. Stimpson J. Cat

    the fact is Trump himself has focused his hate messages on “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”.

    I’m curious.
    What constitutes a hate message?
    How do you define a hate message?
    Someone specifically saying “I hate insert here”?
    If you can point out exactly where Trump has said this in regards to Hispanics, Muslims, women, and homosexuals I will agree that this is fact.
    Otherwise I think it’s projection.

  68. Andrew

    So we’ve established that Trump is a poor candidate – possibly the worst ever put up by the GOP.

    Now justify your incessant campaigning for Shrillary. You might have been able to hide behind the tiny fig leaf that you were in fact campaigning for Ted Scruz, or that other bloke who I’ve already forgotten. But there are only 3 people mathematically still in the race (at least according to themselves):
    – Trump
    – A worn out old commie,
    – and Bernie Sanders.

    Now assuming you haven’t shifted to the left far enough to actually be barracking for Bernie’s Brownshirts, that means you are trying to ensure a victory for Shrillary. Is this the case?

  69. CR

    Sinc is projecting Simpson because he wants to be Prime Minister. No chance we’ll ever vote for you Sinc, you suck up our tax dollars as it is. Maybe if you had a real job like libertarians are so fond of telling us.

  70. Makka

    “Many people don’t think that many social and technological changes that have occurred in the past few decades are for the better. Yet I’m hard pressed to nominate changes that are unambiguously bad.”

    This is a straw man come squirrel argument. What Trump has focused people’s attention on is “the establishment”. The political elites, the media, Wall Street, the Presidency, the SJW’s running US institutions for their own twisted ends – the establishment. And the fraud they are perpetrating.

    Trump is telling his base that “the establishment” has done them no favours, in fact the establishment has feathered their own nest at the expense of theirs. The establishment do not deserve to be respected and should be kicked out of the house. People are responding because they know it’s true. They have seen millions of jobs offshored, bankers rolling in big bonuses, the media exposed for lies and deceit, affirmative action putting incompetents in charge, their borders reduced to a thoroughfare and their faith subverted by a moslem loving POTUS.

    You bet they are pissed off. Good on them. They have a right to challenge their self appointed masters and it’s great to see the scum squirming as the spotlight is put on them.

  71. Ragu

    If you like vaginas, you have to vote for Hillary. Society has brow beaten you into that mode of thinking.

    Smash the bacon sandwich ceiling.

  72. Woolfe

    They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us.

    You mean like the ABC?

  73. val majkus

    Democracy was supposed to be the ultimate expression of the will of people, and to serve the people by implementing the outcomes for which the majority voted

    great comment Brett!

  74. Combine Dave

    Trump himself has focused his hate messages on “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”.

    I have no doubt the Trump does mean what he says.

    Citation needed: When did he say that he hates muzzos, hispanics or women?

    On the other hand, strengthing border controls would be a very rational response for a faltering super power with massive debt, welfare state issues (including illegal migrants accessing public services), which has attracted the ire of countless Islamist extremist groups from outside the USA’s borders

  75. Oh come on

    Get a big black dog up ya

    Er, not to my taste but thanks for the recommendation.

    I’m on the Trump train.

    Ok, fine. I stand corrected on that point. You may move away from m0nty’s corner. There isn’t any space for anyone else there anyway.

    Your analogy is retarded.

    Not if you aren’t on the Trump train. There are lots of people out there who recoil at the prospect of a Trump Presidency, yet seem to have given little thought to the consequences of a Hillary Presidency. They may well liken the Trump phenomenon to a disease. My point, which is perfectly valid given the audience I was addressing, is that the cure (ie. a Hillary victory) is far worse than the disease.

    Glad we cleared that up.

  76. Makka

    “This is a straw man come squirrel argument. What Trump has focused people’s attention on is “the establishment”. The political elites, the media, Wall Street, the Presidency, the SJW’s running US institutions for their own twisted ends – the establishment. And the fraud they are perpetrating.”

    Oh, I left out academia and the judiciary. The establishment is a broad sanctimonious church.

  77. Jumpnmcar

    The US people will have the Leader they are allowed to deserve.
    As will we.

  78. Oh come on

    Can we please cease the cavalier use of the term ‘libertarian’? It’s getting silly.

  79. Tel

    Tel you jest, surely. Constitutional constraints? Obama? You do know how many fascist executive orders the Kenyan has signed don’t you? Obama is 100% chicago thug politician.

    Possibly amusing in a twisted sarcastic kind of way, but this is no joke. Here is the quote from Obama in 2008:

    I taught constitutional law for ten years. I take the Constitution very seriously. The biggest problems that were facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all, and that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m President of the United States of America.

    And this was Obama in 2007 (regarding the Bush regime refusing to provide documents):

    There’s been a tendency, on the part of this administration, to try to hide behind executive privilege every time there’s something a little shaky that’s taking place.

    I think the administration would be best served by coming clean on this. There doesn’t seem to be any national security issues involved.

  80. Jock

    I disagree with Sinc. The anti establishment trend in the pro trump crowds is notable. People on both sides feel the elites have ignored them on immigration, political correctness, transgender, selling bits of babies and most notably spending way too much of OPM.

    You can see the same thing playing out in the EU, where an arrogant and insufferable EU Parliament with the Commissions and their bureacracies have attempted to kill off the sovereignty of member nations. They have gone beyond what Brits thought they were signing up for which was basically a free trade zone.

    If I was an American and was called racist for prefering not to have to assimilate millions of Hispanics then I probably would not care much. I sense many Americam voters are over the name calling and just want more control of their country.

  81. A thoroughly respectable-seeming middle-class woman, she replied without hesitation: “I want my country back.” Joe Epstein

  82. classical_hero

    Does that mean that Sinclair has learnt the error of his ways with regards to Tony Abbott?

  83. Combine Dave

    Does that mean that Sinclair has learnt the error of his ways with regards to Tony Abbott?

    Yes, but at least he hasn’t raised taxes…haha

  84. Robber Baron

    Ragu
    #2055294, posted on June 12, 2016 at 3:11 pm
    Don’t pile on Sinclair too hard, he is just giving us our daily bucket of Trump thread.

    Is Ant ok, yet?

    Sinclair works at RMIT and this blog is certainly monitored and Sinclair’s views (as expressed here) are reported back to the ‘powers.’ So we may not really know what he truly thinks, but we know what he publicly thinks. As a former RMIT lecturer myself, my free-market capitalist views were scorned and I was regularly branded a ‘red-neck’ until I was hounded out (non-renewal of contract). The left is mighty at RMIT. Sinclair must be politically correct at all times…it’s in his contract.

  85. CR

    Tel, obama said all sorts of shit. And his constitutional law cred was questioned. Judge him by what he does not what he says. Part of the rise of Trump is due to Obama’s utter impunity in defying the will of the people and even congress. No. 1 executive thug.

  86. DrBeauGan

    Sinc, is your post just click-bait or are you serious?

  87. Snoopy

    the fact is Trump himself has focused his hate messages on “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”.

    The US sorely needs an 18c. One of Australia’s pre-eminent Libertarians has declared it so.

  88. Stimpson J. Cat

    Sinc, is your post just click-bait or are you serious?

    Of course it’s clickbait.
    He’s had his eye on a new MAGA makini for some time now.

  89. Mayan

    pre-eminent Libertarians

    Realised recently that this blog’s tag line changed from “Australia’s leading libertarian & centre-right blog” to “Diverse & Independent”.

    The most pernicious aspect of 18c is that it requires speakers to guess what the reaction might be to what they say, and this uncertainty is damaging to discourse.

    That said, sometimes the classy thing to do is hold one’s tongue, or choose one’s words carefully. When passions are high, the usual targets can be easily painted as a synecdoche for all that is wrong.

  90. curious george

    The most pernicious aspect of 18c is that it requires speakers to guess what the reaction might be to what they say, and this uncertainty is damaging to discourse.

    Not according to a learned judge.
    To wit. “I could read between the lines”
    or for us lesser mortals, he knew what you really meant even though you didn’t say it.

  91. jupes

    Yet I’m hard pressed to nominate changes that are unambiguously bad.

    So you are cool with the following:

    Spending billions of dollars combating the non-existent problem of climate change,
    Inviting barbarians to live among us,
    Allowing perverts into our schools,
    A political class who believe our money is theirs,
    A military more focused on social engineering than capability thus rendering it incapable of winning wars,
    Various investigative bodies that spend years and hundreds of millions of dollars ruining the lives of innocent people but achieving no convictions.

    Non of that is unambiguously bad Sinc? Wow.

  92. The first time that I ever heard ‘Sinc’ speak on TV, I think it was on The Bolt Report, to me he came across as a yellow/green blooded Leftist. These posts aren’t in jest, they reflect the true character of the man.

  93. Snoopy

    Various investigative bodies that spend years and hundreds of millions of dollars ruining the lives of innocent people but achieving no convictions.

    Would you be happier if same innocent people were convicted? 🙂

  94. ella

    val majkus
    #2055316, posted on June 12, 2016 at 3:36 pm
    “Democracy was supposed to be the ultimate expression of the will of people, and to serve the people by implementing the outcomes for which the majority voted”

    Memo to the Cats: Bullshit coming in from Majkus, again!

  95. calli

    Sinclair is a stirrer. He wants to lure us from the OT into serious discussion.

    “Hate messages” gives it away.

    It’s so…undergraduate.

    And – what Stimps said about the mankini.

  96. Marcus Classis

    Sinclair:

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians.

    This is a remarkable statement which requires remarkable proof. This proof is absent to date, so I cannot agree that it is a fact.

    A barbarian is a wrecker, a nihilist and a scavenger who destroys a civilisation and then despoils the wreckage. There is no evidence that this is true of Trump, rather the opposite, he seems to be a builder, at least of sorts.

    I do not argue that he’s a populist, nor that he is much more likely to be a poor president.

    I also think it unarguable that the Hildebeast and her revolting clan are anything but barbarians who wash: the Clintons define political and personal corruption, amorality and the destruction of institutions, criminality and anti-civilisational activity generally. On top of that, the Hildebeast has a proven track record of incompetence, corruption, criminal conduct, venality and use of public office for personal enrichment. While Trump will IMHO be a poor president, it is demonstrable that the Hildebeast will be a corrupt, dishonest, venal and incompetent one. Worse, much worse, is that she’s stupid. The whole personal server issue proves that.

    In any choice of bad and worse, choose bad.

    Sinclair:

    They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us.

    Here I believe the above also holds true. The Hildebeast and her swarming incompetent criminal collection of corruptionists are known to be a worse option that whatever Trump and his ilk will be, and there is a chance that Trump etc will not actually be bad at all. A small chance I grant you, but there is zero chance of the Clintons being anything but what they are, corrupt criminals focussed entirely on personal gain.

    My view is that it does not matter much either way. Their system has failed, we are seeing the public awakening to this fact and starting to strike back against the Dem-Rep power elite.

    This is the start of another constitutional reset, something the cross-pond cousins have to do every 80-90 years or so. It’s their fourth. Let us hope it’s peaceful like the one in the 1930s, and not bloody like the 1776-1783 and 1860-1865 resets. We can hope.

    But that’s not the way to bet.

  97. Mayan

    And – what Stimps said about the mankini.

    That was almost enough to make me reconsider my opinion against trigger warnings.

  98. jupes

    Would you be happier if same innocent people were convicted?

    Well picked up.

    … but achieving no convictions of the guilty.

    Is what I meant to say.

  99. incoherent rambler

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians.
    his Australian equivalents?

    Guess you mean Lord Mal. *

    *(Mal Uber Alles!)

  100. incoherent rambler

    Stimp, good thing my waste paper bin is plastic.

  101. Rudiau

    Appreciate your take on the lovely Hilderbeast and the Ebil Trump, thanks MK5o.

  102. Myrddin Seren

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians.

    his Australian equivalents?

    It’s got me beat who Snic is alluding to ?

    None of the relatively small groups on the conservative side contesting the Fe’ral Election have the traction or profile of Trump ( no disrespect to our highly honoured Tinta and custard putting themselves and their families into this meatgrinder ).

    We have three, maybe four large parties: The Turnbull United Party, ALP, The Greens and possibly the Xylophonians. All are of the Left, to varying degrees. There are zero mainstream conservative parties – none.

    Who the heck is a Trump-a-like here ?

  103. Can we please cease the cavalier use of the term ‘libertarian’? It’s getting silly.

    I’m afraid that horse has well and truly bolted, OCO, sad to say.
    We can only wonder at what Fisky and the others call political philosophy as espoused by Bastiat.
    One thing’s for sure – poor old Frederic would never pass muster as a candidate for the LDP.

  104. calli #2055386, posted on June 12, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    Sinclair is a stirrer. He wants to lure us from the OT into serious discussion.

    You have a good heart calli

  105. jupes

    the Clintons define political and personal corruption, amorality and the destruction of institutions, criminality and anti-civilisational activity generally.

    So true. And blindingly obvious.

    Trump is the White Knight who’s come to slay the evil political class so perfectly represented by Hillary.

  106. calli

    Riccardo, it’s what gifted teachers do. Throw out ideas and stand back.

  107. Snoopy

    Brexit, Trump, champagne.

  108. Old School Conservative

    #2055380, posted on June 12, 2016 at 5:26 pm
    The first time that I ever heard ‘Sinc’ speak on TV, I think it was on The Bolt Report, to me he came across as a yellow/green blooded Leftist. These posts aren’t in jest, they reflect the true character of the man.

    His true character is that he openly expresses his theories and gives us a forum to debate and disagree.

  109. srr

    Maybe Sinc’s RMIT Overlords would like to have a go at this, before Sinc is forced to call his guests far more unfitting and insulting names than, “barbarians” –

    Three Candidates, One Graph: People On Presidential Campaign Payrolls…
    Posted on June 12, 2016 by sundance

    Listed below is a comparative graph, (from FEC records), showing the number of people on the campaign payrolls of: Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump over the past thirteen months:

    [image: graph of payrolls]

    Obviously there are a few interpretations possible for what this data signifies. However, two of the more obvious points would be:

    * Two of the three candidates represented have never held executive management responsibility in the private sector where they needed to worry about labor efficiency.

    * Two of the three candidates have never needed to make a payroll, or be personally accountable for the financial viability of their endeavors. Their only budget familiarity is spending other peoples money.

    It is not too challenging to identify which two candidates would be unfamiliar with labor costs, budgeting and efficiency. In addition which candidate do you think would be more apt to focus on the elimination of bloated bureaucratic government, and waste?

    Continue reading ?
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/12/three-candidates-one-graph-people-on-presidential-campaign-payrolls/#more-117362

    Of course, all that (other peoples/working peoples), money Hillary and Bernie have spent (so far), didn’t just vanish, but gets “redistributed” in all sorts of ways, especially keeping ‘Talking Heads’/Owned and Trained Media Lying Dogs, simply swimming in frequent flyer points and luxurious resorts …

  110. Barbarian noun
    1. a person in a savage, primitive state;
    2. uncivilized person.

    PS Malcolm must be getting desperate if he’s sicked the Boerboel onto the conservatives cats.
    I wasn’t going to vote for the ALA but now, perhaps I will – Thanks, Sinc

  111. Myrddin Seren

    Marcus C

    Let us hope it’s peaceful like the one in the 1930s, and not bloody like the 1776-1783 and 1860-1865 resets.

    I would not bet on it. Go to Gateway Pundit today.

    The hard Left is moving from blatant, city-level sanctioned unarmed violence against Trump supporters and starting to arm up. Stupidly – on Spacechook – but arming.

    My two cents worth. IF Trump survives AND wins the election, inauguration is in January 2017. Pretty cold time of the year and tends to keep folks indoors.

    Come the spring thaw and warmer weather, I would expect the Democrat-controlled cities to burn. 2017 could be a wild year in the US. Under Hillary – not so much – the Clinton crime family will progressively sell off anything anyone will bid for, and the US goes quietly down the gurgler.

  112. calli #2055423, posted on June 12, 2016 at 6:09 pm

    Riccardo, it’s what gifted teachers do. Throw out ideas and stand back.

    While he knows much that I do not, and he is a patient moderator on this extraordinary site, he is certainly not my teacher.

  113. Viva

    You’re sounding awfully like an elitist!

    I second that!

  114. RobK

    “Yeah, underpaying contractors, hiring illegals, sending family businesses to the wall by not paying his debts, going bankrupt, losing money running casinos, going bankrupt again, defrauding regular people with Trump U, going bankrupt yet again, being a subject of over 3,500 lawsuits including 169 federal suits… yep, lots of relevant experience to being leader of the free world.”
    The positive to take from that is ; he has learnt from his own mistakes at his personal (and others’) expense, not the nation’s.
    Shown he can handle that kind of pressure with his own skin in the game and bounce back from adversity to come out on top.
    It’s not much but what have the other contenders got to offer?

  115. WhaleHunt Fun

    Am yet to hear Trump utter a word that worries me. The left need to be biblically destroyed, i.e. utterly, so that no memory of even their existence survives. Hopefully Trump is only the first step towards a full pogrom of extinctions, erasures and rewritings of history so thorough that no person, even in their private thoughts, would be aware that leftists were missing. Roll on 1984, I welcome you.

  116. jupes

    Who the heck is a Trump-a-like here ?

    I think he is referring to the ALA.

    Considering that the ALA was formed to oppose real barbarians, it’s very sad to see George Orwell’s prophesy has come to pass on this site.

  117. Makka

    “Am yet to hear Trump utter a word that worries me. The left need to be biblically destroyed, i.e. utterly, so that no memory of even their existence survives. Hopefully Trump is only the first step towards a full pogrom of extinctions, erasures and rewritings of history so thorough that no person, even in their private thoughts, would be aware that leftists were missing. “

    Quite correct.

    Trump is a master at flushing out the filth and their apologist compadres. They are coming out of the woodwork.

  118. Fisky

    Am yet to hear Trump utter a word that worries me. The left need to be biblically destroyed, i.e. utterly, so that no memory of even their existence survives.

    Anti-discrimination laws need to be amended to make it impossible not only to express Leftist views publicly, but to even conceive of the possibility of a Leftist society existing. The entire education system needs to be overhauled along to strike Leftism from all parts of the curriculum and delivery of education, parliamentary proceedings should forbid the the discussion of Leftist policies and bills, and no media outlet should receive a licence unless it agrees to blanket censorship of Leftism.

  119. Jo Smyth

    In a nutshell I agree with everyone who supports Trump and disagree with everyone who regularly vilifies, denegrates and derides him.

  120. Mayan

    Anti-discrimination laws need to be amended to make it impossible not only to express Leftist views

    I see what you did there. Nice 🙂

  121. It is not too challenging to identify which two candidates would be unfamiliar with labor costs, budgeting and efficiency. In addition which candidate do you think would be more apt to focus on the elimination of bloated bureaucratic government, and waste?

    Baaahahaha! Oh yes USSR, the fact that Trump’s campaign is so understaffed and under-resourced that you could drown the lot in a bathtub means he’s the new hero of Grover Norquist. I haven’t seen this poorly resourced an effort since Dubbya sent troops into Iraq.

    Nice try at making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear, but presidential campaigns are not a competition to see who can run the leanest operation. Trump is conducting a live experiment: can you run a presidential campaign with no GOTV, no ground game, almost no ad buys, no institutional support… just a Twitter account and free media? I suspect the result will be… poor.

  122. Fisky

    Trump is conducting a live experiment: can you run a presidential campaign with no GOTV, no ground game, almost no ad buys, no institutional support… just a Twitter account and free media?

    He doesn’t need all that stuff. Waste of money. His Alt-Right Twitter trolls are enough for GOTV and the Instagram ads get massive circulation.

    Have you seen Hillary’s ads? The worst ever! And if she taps Pocahontas Warren everyone will assume they are lesbian lovers. Trump by 15 points.

  123. srr

    I still wonder at those who accept he must beat Hillary, but don’t believe he’ll make a good President.

    He has been Presidential for most of his life.

    He is The Blue Collar Billionaire who’s worked at building a vast, strong, network of top class people, at all levels of society; tried, tested and found fit and trustworthy (via his business and connections), to get to work, securing, and building America back up again.

    He isn’t some brash, puffed up, monomaniacal businessman, who decided to get into politics, but a genuine patriot and natural leader who had the patience and foresight to build up what it takes to beat the corrupt political machine, that he saw betraying and destroying his beloved Country and Her people.

    That most of the enemy didn’t see him coming, then didn’t take him seriously, and that those who did, tried and failed to push him to run too early, is just another testament to how truly Presidential he is, and what a very good President he will be.

  124. Leo G

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians.

    Barbarian when used loosely just means “foreigner”, when in the perjorative alleges banality warranting disdain. If we’re being factual, then all you are saying is that Trump has Australian counterparts who are foreign to you.

  125. C.L.

    Yeah, underpaying contractors, hiring illegals, sending family businesses to the wall by not paying his debts, going bankrupt, losing money running casinos, going bankrupt again, defrauding regular people with Trump U, going bankrupt yet again, being a subject of over 3,500 lawsuits including 169 federal suits… yep, lots of relevant experience to being leader of the free world.

    Mmyes. Relevant experience for leading the free world, to Democrats, means raping women, getting ambassadors killed in the street and sleeping through the rise of Osama bin Laden.

  126. Boambee John

    So, Whalehunt, you think a Cathaginian peace is the way to go then?

  127. Rasputin

    Ferchrissakes! The reason Trump soars like an eagle is that he is surrounded by political turkeys
    The reason she wants her country back is that successive generations of turkeys have gotten into power by aggregating votes by buying off any minority with cash from the majority, of which this ‘seemingly’ ( I find this a bit churlish actually) respectable woman is a member. Trump is going to get there with the goodwill of the white Anglo Saxon straight Christian majority, people who had given up hope, and had given up voting.
    He will put people in place to make the country run for everyone’s benefit and he will be seen in the future as a Reagan or Howard who all had to bear ridicule and opposition in their time. Sinc, you will just have to live with politics as they should be, not as you prefer because we have all accustomed ourselves to these charlatans who lust for power for its own sake. Of the people, by the people, for the people, and it can’t come soon enough for me!

  128. The underlying assumptions that free trade is universally good have been tested and found wanting. All the examples of comparative advantage assume two reasonably behaved societies, but what happens when one society steals every bit of IP that comes its way then goes back to compete against the owner and undercutting them. We are not talking about a few problems here and there we are talking large scale systematic theft of every bit of IP and every single secret and knowledge that comes the way of the Chinese.

    Any manufactured goods you can buy in the west you can go to one of the Chinese trade portals and buy it a fraction of the price. We are not just talking about ripping off some luxury brands, everything is fair game to the Chinese.

    That’s not free trade, that is a socio-economic disaster in the making. You can’t just hollow out the entire manufacturing base of a country and expect all these workers to switch to services without some consequences.

    Further the idea that competing against Chinese $2/day labor will have no downward pressure on wages in 1st world countries is pie in the sky thinking of ivory tower academics. Even if the comparative advantage is there, the stagnation of wages in a central bank targeted inflation of 2% becomes very noticeable after a while.

    As is the idea that we can let a communist government manipulate its exchange rates under the rubric of it will hurt them in the long run.

    Well guess what, if they were a real market economy that may be the case, however China is a Communist totalitarian shithole. Economic consequences are centrally controlled, if the central committee says that banks will not slash rates or that banks will not call in bad loans or any other normal activity of free society then that is what will happen. There will be no crash in China, because the real private sector is small and the state owned businesses and bank do as they are told. There is no economic consequence of manipulating its exchange rate, other then crushing any competition.

    China does not have property bubbles explode because the government simply forbids the sale of property. Even after the GFC I said there would be no crash in China, simply because it is not a free market, the communists pull the strings on everything. Guess what, there was no crash in China.

    Economists were busy looking through their free market lenses at a centrally controlled fake capitalist society.

    Listening to economists has been a disaster, and the latest disaster unfolding is the impeding demographic collapse of GDP in europe. Importing hostile barbarians to plug a GDP gap is asking for civil war.

  129. Indolent

    I’m starting to think these anti-trump conservatives were really undercover liberals all along.

    Yes.

  130. Fisky

    Listening to economists has been a disaster, and the latest disaster unfolding is the impeding demographic collapse of GDP in europe. Importing hostile barbarians to plug a GDP gap is asking for civil war.

    There is literally not a single macro issue that economists are right about. They are wrong about every essential issue and nearly every particular. The only policies they get right are chump change issues like rent control.

  131. twostix

    They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us

    Like the desire to use the state to abolish national borders and annihilate settled nations with millions of third world peasants?

    Or using the state to redefine the eons old peoples institution and universal definition of the world “marriage”?

    Typical stupidity in this lightweight fairfaxian nonsense. But it does get one thing right: Trump isn’t going to spend 8 years and all of his political clout working to reduce the state by 0.9%, no, he’s going happily use the new mega state and all of these “institutions” (lol) to smash his enemies, a task they are now fully designed to do.

  132. twostix

    Oh and without open borders there would be no Trump. You made him! You dunderheaded Idiots!

  133. Mayan

    There is literally not a single macro issue that economists are right about.

    True, but think of how many goats and other animals have been saved since they made reading entrails obsolete.

  134. twostix

    See here’s how they thought this was going to play.

    They thought they were going to open the borders, invite millions of mexicans, syrians, somalians, etc into western countres and then turn our “institutions” which they have recently fully corrupted and weaponised to force us to shut the fuck up about the abolishment of our own nations.

    This is literally how dumb they are: The are fully surprised about the possibility that a Trump, Austrian Freedom Party or National Front is then elected, takes over their now super-charged, fully politicised and ginned up for show-trials “institutions” and uses them against them.

    Seriously. They didn’t see this coming.

    These people modestly think they’re approximately the smartest people in the universe.

  135. A Lurker

    Typical stupidity in this lightweight fairfaxian nonsense. But it does get one thing right: Trump isn’t going to spend 8 years and all of his political clout working to reduce the state by 0.9%, no, he’s going happily use the new mega state and all of these “institutions” (lol) to smash his enemies, a task they are now fully designed to do.

    I think we’re all in for an ‘interesting’ decade.

  136. CR

    Trump reminds me of someone else all the chattering class used to deride as unelectable. Not because they have similar policies or approach to Trump. But because the chattering class are still so up their sphincta they can’t see daylight.

  137. Fisky

    This is literally how dumb they are: The are fully surprised about the possibility that a Trump, Austrian Freedom Party or National Front is then elected, takes over their now super-charged, fully politicised and ginned up for show-trials “institutions” and uses them against them.

    This is because much of the liberal establishment are situationally autistic. They are often able to function in their regular jobs, but they suffer from a debilitating cognitive impairment regarding politics and their EQ drops to zero on fairly basic cause-and-effect issues like immigration.

    It’s not unheard of to see social workers, psychologists, educators etc, promoting hyper self-awareness, social empathy, and so on in their own fields, while being completely oblivious as to how the majority of citizens would react to the news that 1 million Muslim immigrants would be entering their country every year.

    The autism epidemic is a big problem among our youth, but it’s far more serious among politicians, policy makers and the like.

  138. Christian

    Typical cuck article.

  139. entropy

    twostix
    #2055539, posted on June 12, 2016 at 8:54 pm

    They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us

    Like the desire to use the state to abolish national borders and annihilate settled nations with millions of third world peasants?

    Or using the state to redefine the eons old peoples institution and universal definition of the world “marriage”?

    Typical stupidity in this lightweight fairfaxian nonsense. But it does get one thing right: Trump isn’t going to spend 8 years and all of his political clout working to reduce the state by 0.9%, no, he’s going happily use the new mega state and all of these “institutions” (lol) to smash his enemies, a task they are now fully designed to do.

    Yes Twostix when I read sinc’s little statement there I just laughed. Most of the trump supporters aren’t thinking that way, they probably believe Trump will smash the state apparatus they perceive their enemies (thats the political class, including academics, even Sinc) are vigorously already using against them. Sinc is just doing what the left always does: accuse their enemies of doing what they are already doing.

    Now it is quite possible trump and some of his closest advisers actually intend to do what Sinc says, but do his supporters? No. They just want the State reduced, decimated, defunded, defanged. So it stays off their lawn.

    You know, what libertarians are supposed to want.

  140. A Lurker

    he political class, including academics, even Sinc) are vigorously already using against them. Sinc is just doing what the left always does: accuse their enemies of doing what they are already doing.

    That happens all the time.
    Can someone please remind me of that political Law which states something to the effect of – whatever party/institution etc that isn’t specifically stated to be of the Right, will over time drift Left.

  141. srr

    There’s still the question – if Donald is a David, who is his Jonathan?

    I’m not suggesting it needs to be answered, just that maybe some of his biggest fans should try to remember that those nearest often aren’t the dearest, and the closest can seem a world apart, to the worldly.

  142. Mayan

    If only there were a way of starving the rabid beast that government has become, say a means of exchange that is entirely private, and hence invisible to the government.

  143. srr

    BREAKING Overnight – Terrorist Shooting In Orlando Florida Gay Nightclub – FBI Affirms Terrorist Motive – FBI Affirms Probable Islamist Intent – Lone Attacker With Explosive Device…

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/12/breaking-overnight-mass-casualty-shooting-in-orlando-florida-gay-nightclub/

  144. mem

    “Would you care to define barbarian? I’ve not seen anything that justifies such a description.”

    Mem – Consider the following description of a barbarian:

    “What Finkielkraut calls “the undoing of thought” flows from the widespread disintegration of a faith.
    Ella, Thoroughly enjoyed reading the reference you posted. I’ve also pulled out the introduction to Robert Conquest’s, “The Abomination of Moab”. Seems to me that the Barbarian’s have jumped the gate and are now well and truly ensconced in some of our best institutions.

  145. Dozer

    Like customers, the barbarians are always right when 50.01% vote in a particular way.

    As satisfying as it is, hatred cannot be the basis of a political philosophy consistent with liberal democracy and the enlightenment. – tell that to our forebears who spilt more than blood to forge liberty and freedom from the ruling class tyrants and insufferable overbearing elites. ‘Hatred’ is the lessor yet in many ways the beginning of the 3 steps, next follows ‘Anarchy’ followed by ‘Revolution’. It is in fact the ruling class and intellectual elites who are misreading and misconstrued the mood of the people, it’s up to them to change or be ousted, one way or the other, from their over-privileged tax payer (people) funded positions.

  146. mem

    I think of Trump in the context of the Gordian Knot.
    The Gordian Knot is a legend of Phrygian Gordium associated with Alexander the Great. It is often used as a metaphor for an intractable problem (disentangling an “impossible” knot) solved easily by loophole or “thinking outside the box” (“cutting the Gordian knot”):
    “Turn him to any cause of policy,
    The Gordian Knot of it he will unloose,

  147. Makka

    “As satisfying as it is, hatred cannot be the basis of a political philosophy consistent with liberal democracy and the enlightenment.”

    The filth have elevate hatred to an art form. Very successfully. So this statement is quite wrong if you object to being ruled over by the totalitarian cretins. Hatred of the left provides the enduring will to eradicate them which is exactly what is needed (NADT).

  148. cohenite

    I don’t understand this post; Clinton had people killed at Benghazi. Who has trump had killed?

  149. Marcus Classis

    Lurker; I think we’re all in for an ‘interesting’ decade.

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

    Those who understand history know what we are watching, and are appalled and enraged at the sheer hubris and folly of it all, as our civilisation slides once again into the abyss.

  150. Makka

    Good point cohenite. People reading this really have to ask themselves why is it that so much effort is being expended by Libertarians to get Hilary over the line ? I’m convinced that it’s because the left and Libertarians share many common social and demographic views as well as an abiding interest in preserving the establishment/elite status quo.

  151. Fisky

    Great timing to have an open borders thread hey?

  152. Siltstone

    Makka : The establishment is a broad sanctimonious church.

    Sinc is a member of that taxpayer-subsidised establishment church, taking out more from the treasury than is put in. Outside that insulated world live “barbarians” and heathens. Neverthless, good on him for running this blog and exposing plain packaging rubbish (how the other parishioners must tut-tut at him).

  153. Makka

    “CBS News: Orlando shooter is named Omar and his parents are from Afghanistan.”

    Trump was right. Yet again. Open borders and moslem immigration is a recipe for national suicide. Why are Libertarians so anti-Trump?

  154. Makka

    “Neverthless, good on him for running this blog and exposing plain packaging rubbish ”

    A non-issue compared to sovereignty Siltstone however yes, full credit to Sinc for running this blog.

  155. Fisky

    *Shakes head*

    Ahmed Shihab-EldinVerified account
    [email protected]
    Text from a Muslim friend: “SHIT. So sad. Now even gays will turn against us & they were only ones who saw past Trump xenophobia” #Orlando

  156. Fisky

    Trump was right. Yet again. Open borders and moslem immigration is a recipe for national suicide. Why are Libertarians so anti-Trump?

    Because they believe bringing in 2 million Muslims a year will somehow undermine the welfare state. I’m not kidding, that’s what many of them believe.

  157. Fisky

    Terrible crime wave in Germany, thanks to open borders.

    A massive migrant crime wave is surging across Germany, according to figures buried in a new report released by the country’s interior ministry. The data reveals that without migrants considered, crime rates in Germany would have remained roughly static since 2014. But, in fact, the country recorded an extra 402,741 crimes committed by migrants.

    While much of this criminality concerned illegal border crossings, German authorities instead talked up a “record surge” in crimes by “right wing radicals.”

    Concerning statistics from the 135-page report reveal that 70 percent of pickpocketing, one of the crime types on the rise, was committed by non-Germans. Of this figure, 34 percent was committed by recent asylum seekers, with the rest committed by “non-Germans.”

    Foreign nationals are thought to account for around 11 or 12 percent of the total population of Germany, but were over-represented in every area of crime. Illegal immigrants and asylum seekers account for around 2.5 percent of Germany’s population, but were also massively overrepresented.

    Amongst total offences, non-Germans accounted for 27.6 percent, while illegal immigrants and asylum seekers accounted for 5.7 percent. For homicides the figures are 29.3/8.2 percent, and for sexual assaults the figures are 20.5/4.8 percent.

    http://www.meforum.org/6031/migrants-high-crime-germany#.V11k6V6fdKg.twitter

  158. Makka

    “Ahmed Shihab-EldinVerified account
    [email protected]
    Text from a Muslim friend: “SHIT. So sad. Now even gays will turn against us & they were only ones who saw past Trump xenophobia” #Orlando”

    Not even a spare thought or any sympathy for the slaughtered and maimed, their distraught families and the people of Orlando, Ahmed?

  159. Harald

    Just “social and technological changes”, right Sinc?

    And regarding immigration you are “hard pressed to nominate changes that are unambiguously bad”?

    50 dead.

    Oh, and of course it is Trump who send “hate messages” to “homosexuals”, according to Sinc.

    And Trump is the “racist” and the “barbarian”, right?

  160. Yohan

    For the first time in 50 years a presidential candidate unapologetically takes on the left and calls them out on their BS and so called conservatives start pissing their pants. It’s like they’re uncomfortable with the idea of winning. They are even using the left’s smear terms: “hate” “racism” etc.

    The left has been expressing open hate for: men, the family, Christians, heterosexuals and whites for decades now so spare me the disingenuous mewling and bleating about “hate”.

    I’m starting to think these anti-trump conservatives were really undercover liberals all along

    +1000

  161. Yohan

    You can understand why the left-libertartians hate Trump, after all they are market anarchists who want open borders. But the most insane hatred of Trump (on the right) is from establishment conservatism.

    Welcome to the Bill Buckly, NRO, beltway neo-conservatives. The only thing they really care about is wars for muh Israel and pointless culture battles like keeping Terri Schiavo’s life support machine turned on.

    This was a distraction for the rubes as the western world moved towards Cultural Marxism. But along came Trump, who said everything the common man thinks, with no filter.

    I don’t agree with a lot of Trump’s policies, but it’s great to see him burn it all down.

  162. DoomLord;
    With all due respect, this is one of the more bizarre interpretations of the Trump Phenomenom I’ve heard you utter.

    So while I don’t disagree with Cater and Epstein’s overall prescriptions I do think they are over-analysing the problem. People may think that “They want their country back” and that this isn’t really about “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”. But it is. For all the talk about insiders and outsiders and elites and what-have-you (that I think is more or less correct) the fact is Trump himself has focused his hate messages on “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals”.

    People want their country back from the political classes. “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals” are just one of the tools that the Social Elites are using to steal the country.

  163. Harald

    Horrific incident in Orlando, Florida. Praying for all the victims & their families. When will this stop? When will we get tough, smart & vigilant?

    That is the “hate message” Trump is sending to “homosexuals” you are talking about, Sinc? Is that what you mean where you wrote: “the fact is Trump himself has focused his hate messages on “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals””

    .. fact….

    Right.

  164. Two Stix;

    This is literally how dumb they are: The are fully surprised about the possibility that a Trump, Austrian Freedom Party or National Front is then elected, takes over their now super-charged, fully politicised and ginned up for show-trials “institutions” and uses them against them.
    Seriously. They didn’t see this coming.
    These people modestly think they’re approximately the smartest people in the universe.

    Close. They always assume they are going to be the ones shining the bright lights in the prisoners eyes, and demanding that their questions are answered.
    …and you cannot convince them otherwise.

  165. A Lurker

    50 dead in Florida.
    52 wounded in Florida.
    Mass murderer is a Muslim American, born to Afghan parents.

    So who are the barbarians now, Sinc?

  166. srr

    These are The Acts of Hate Filled Barbarians within, in power and Murderously Enforcing Their Will Against The People LOVINGLY Voting For Trump To Serve America and Her People –

    Florida Officials Bring Muslim Imam To Press Conference –
    Promptly Blames Guns…

    Oddly, the Florida State and Federal DOJ/FBI officials in Orlando did not bring a Christian, Jewish or Mormon faith leader to the press conference for an update on the terrorist attack. Nor did they explain why they only requested attendance by a Florida Imam. Hmmmm….

    (Via Gateway Pundit) Orlando officials invited Imam Muhammad Musri, the president and senior imam of the Islamic Society of Central Florida, to speak to reporters. This was the first press conference held by Orlando officials after the massacre. No Christian or Jewish leaders were invited to speak to reporters.

    Of course the pathetic Imam says “do not sensationalize” and “more gun controls are needed”:

    Full Press Conference Below:

    Continue reading ?
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/12/florida-officials-bring-muslim-imam-to-press-conference-promptly-blames-guns/#more-117407

  167. srr

    Donald J. Trump [email protected] 54m54 minutes ago

    Is President Obama going to finally mention the words radical Islamic terrorism?
    If he doesn’t he should immediately resign in disgrace!

    Oh dear … The Words, that The Barbarians tearing up borders and Sovereign States, Won’t say …
    … and The Words those of opposing The Barbarians, are Not Allowed to say …

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

    #2055805, posted on June 13, 2016 at 4:53 am

    These are The Acts of Hate Filled Barbarians within, in power and Murderously Enforcing Their Will Against The People LOVINGLY Voting For Trump To Serve America and Her People –

    Florida Officials Bring Muslim Imam To Press Conference –
    Promptly Blames Guns…

    Oddly, the Florida State and Federal DOJ/FBI officials in Orlando did not bring a Christian, [email protected] or Mormon faith leader to the press conference for an update on the terrorist attack. Nor did they explain why they only requested attendance by a Florida Imam. Hmmmm….

    (Via Gateway Pundit) Orlando officials invited Imam Muhammad Musri, the president and senior imam of the Islamic Society of Central Florida, to speak to reporters. This was the first press conference held by Orlando officials after the massacre. No Christian or [email protected] leaders were invited to speak to reporters.

    Of course the pathetic Imam says “do not sensationalize” and “more gun controls are needed”:

    Full Press Conference Below:

    Continue reading ?
    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/06/12/florida-officials-bring-muslim-imam-to-press-conference-promptly-blames-guns/#more-117407

    You do know what happens, Every Time The People are Banned from Fighting, With Words, right.

  168. Combine Dave

    Trump was right. Yet again. Open borders and moslem immigration is a recipe for national suicide. Why are Libertarians so anti-Trump?

    Because they believe bringing in 2 million Muslims a year will somehow undermine the welfare state. I’m not kidding, that’s what many of them believe.

    That didn’t occur in either Germany or France, why would that occur here (or in America)?

  169. John Comnenus

    I can’t recall Trump saying anything about gays. But he has said no more Islamic immigration until the authorities can work out what is going on. So Sinc, who is more homophobic – the person who has evangelical supporters or the people who import immigrants who murder gays by the score?

  170. classical_hero

    Imagine during the Cold War that we had people saying we should all and sundry to come from Communistic countries, oh wait, we had those useful idiots back then and we’re seeing the results of such stupidity now. So many academics turned a blind eye to the atrocities being committed by Communist countries just as they ignore the vast problems being brought in.

  171. Combine Dave

    To be fair a lot of people escaping from communist hell holes were strident anti communists.

    Just look at Gough’s reluctance to accept Vietnamese refugees for this very reason (also racism).

    The difference is those people were fleeing a totalitarian ideology set on killing them, whereas refugees from the Middle East tend to be escaping from the benefits of living in an agressive theocratic society, civil war etc without necessarily disagreeing with the mores of their opponents.

    ie: the widespread acceptance and support for FGM, honour killings, murders of infidels, gays and apostates etc among so called moderate muslims even in Western nations.

    These are serious cultural problems associated with almost all middle eastern migrants.

    Constrast that with the Vietnamese above: a love of rice, rolls and an excess zeal of family fidelity.

    Truly shocking.

  172. Old School Conservative
    #2055429, posted on June 12, 2016 at 6:11 pm
    His true character is that he openly expresses his theories and gives us a forum to debate and disagree.

    Yes he does, but whose side is he really on?

  173. TC

    The barbarians that man our institutions have cowerd the public so much that scientists can’t speak their mind and nieghbors are more scared of being labeled islamaphobe than they are of bomb making, gun carrying jihadis.

  174. srr

    – JUNE 12, 2016 –

    DONALD J. TRUMP STATEMENT REGARDING TRAGIC TERRORIST ATTACK IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA

    Last night, our nation was attacked by a radical Islamic terrorist. It was the worst terrorist attack on our soil since 9/11, and the second of its kind in 6 months. My deepest sympathy and support goes out to the victims, the wounded, and their families.

    In his remarks today, President Obama disgracefully refused to even say the words ‘Radical Islam’. For that reason alone, he should step down. If Hillary Clinton, after this attack, still cannot say the two words ‘Radical Islam’ she should get out of this race for the Presidency.

    If we do not get tough and smart real fast, we are not going to have a country anymore. Because our leaders are weak, I said this was going to happen – and it is only going to get worse. I am trying to save lives and prevent the next terrorist attack. We can’t afford to be politically correct anymore.

    The terrorist, Omar Mir Saddique Mateen, is the son of an immigrant from Afghanistan who openly published his support for the Afghanistani Taliban and even tried to run for President of Afghanistan.* According to Pew, 99%* of people in Afghanistan support oppressive Sharia Law.

    We admit more than 100,000 lifetime migrants from the Middle East each year. Since 9/11, hundreds of migrants and their children have been implicated in terrorism in the United States.

    Hillary Clinton wants to dramatically increase admissions from the Middle East, bringing in many hundreds of thousands during a first term – and we will have no way to screen them, pay for them, or prevent the second generation from radicalizing.

    We need to protect all Americans, of all backgrounds and all beliefs, from Radical Islamic Terrorism – which has no place in an open and tolerant society. Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, [email protected], Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans, and I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.

    – Donald J. Trump

    Tomorrow Mr. Trump will deliver a major speech to further address this terrorist attack, immigration, and national security. The speech will be delivered at the New Hampshire Institute of Politics at St. Anselm’s College. For more information please visit Donaldjtrump.com.

    * Links at –
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j-trump-statement-regarding-tragic-terrorist-attacks

  175. srr

    This isn’t going through on the, Lies about Trump, thread.
    Why?
    I fixed the banned word.
    Still not going through here.
    So I ripped the guts out and and provided the links for those who care to hear what the man says himself, rather than what others lie he says.

    * Links at –
    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j-trump-statement-regarding-tragic-terrorist-attacks

  176. srr

    Trump’s Words Banned, on a Libertarian site, on a thread about Trump.

  177. srr

    This isn’t going through on the, Lies about Trump, thread.
    Why?
    I fixed the banned word.
    Still not going through here.
    So I ripped the guts out and and provided the links for those who care to hear what the man says himself, rather than what others lie he says.

  178. Ragu

    To be fair a lot of people escaping from communist hell holes were strident anti communists.

    Which is why you can’t trust anyone that immigrated from Chile

  179. srr

    “We can’t afford to be politically correct any more”
    – Donald Trump


    In his statement*, the Republican nominee went on to say “radical Islamic terrorism” has “no place in an open and tolerant society”.

    He said: “Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, Jews, Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans.

    “I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.”

    * which you will find at his site – https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
    under Press Releases – https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases

  180. srr

    “We can’t afford to be politically correct any more”
    – Donald Trump


    In his statement*, the Republican nominee went on to say “radical Islamic terrorism” has “no place in an open and tolerant society”.

    He said: “Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, Jews, Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans.

    “I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/679223/Donald-Trump-Orlando-shooting-Islam-terrorism-ISIS-Islamic-State

    * which you will find at his official site, under Press Releases

  181. kraka

    “The anger welling up around their ankles is the product of exasperation towards politically correct, morally arrogant, know-it-all, condescending urban sophisticates—people in other words just like themselves.”

    Is Cater talking about Trump or Sinclair here???

  182. srr

    “We can’t afford to be politically correct any more”
    – Donald Trump


    In his statement*, the Republican nominee went on to say “radical Islamic terrorism” has “no place in an open and tolerant society”.

    He said: “Radical Islam advocates hate for women, gays, [email protected], Christians and all Americans. I am going to be a President for all Americans.

    “I am going to protect and defend all Americans. We are going to make America safe again and great again for everyone.”

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/679223/Donald-Trump-Orlando-shooting-Islam-terrorism-ISIS-Islamic-State

    * which you will find at his official site, under Press Releases

  183. rickw

    Sinc’s dissertation on why academics get things completely wrong an awful lot of the time.

  184. john constantine

    Crony socialism meets their millionaire socialists needs for extravagances and squanderings cultural marxism meets their millionaire socialists needs for an opiate that can dull the anxiety and uncertainty and worthlessness of being nothing more than a scurrying, grasping, jobsworth of a crony socialist.

    Trump is felt to be an existential threat to their debt funded ‘going along to get ahead’ ponzi scheme.

    When prole chicks say they want their country back, it is bad tone, but from the heart.

    Last time i was in the city, i was going along to represent the interests of proles from a community the benefits of crony socialism has passed by, in the old days the gatekeepers would have done facts and figures stuff and discretely sussed out the old school tie status.

    Nowadays their gatekeepers are walluddites, so the countersign is to declare that waleed is just such good value when challenged.

    The big thing this time was:

    How do you feel about Trump?.

    It hurts nobody in Australia to train themselves to declare him a buffoon, but the whole worldwide debtfunded ponzisocialist clique unites to destroy anybody not hysterically antiTrump.

    I just want my country back where poor rural people can go chop wood from the scrub that envelopes and swamps their frontier towns and stay warm in winter, instead of this country where electricity prices are sent sky high by anti trump forces to the point that while millionaire ponzisocialists can afford to live regardless, poor people spend three months shivering in bed because warmth is unaffordable or banned.

    If Trump wins, the anti trumpers will come for australian supporters, including ones they find through the cat in vengeance, so we might as well have Trump critiques prominently displayed.

    Personally i hope he burns ponzisocialism to the ground and salts the ashes, phyrric victory, but you can understand those in past history that threw open the city gates to the barbarians to see their oppressors strung up from their mansions balconies a magical split second before the proles were enslaved by new masters.

  185. What are these institutions you refer to that are being misused? Are these the institutions of Western Civilisation, or those of the Cathedral that is slowly but surely eroding all that Western Civilisation built?

    If these are the Barbarians, maybe theirs is the side to be on.

    Jim had a pretty good summary lately:

    If you are a conservative
    You believe that a wall for the US is immoral and racist, but a wall for Israel is not.

    You believe deporting anchor babies is unconstitutional.

    You believe that free trade consists of other nations accepting US copyrights, patents, and US investment, but not US goods.

    etc.

    Leading to :

    For many decades, Conservatism incorporated has been purging those to its right. Anyone too right wing was deemed to not be a true conservative. And the purge went ever leftwards ever faster.

    The alt right is those that have enemies to the left, and no enemies to the right. As conservatism purged ever more people, ever faster, it would inevitably happen that conservatism would become a minority in the Republican party, and the alt right, the faction that fails to purge rightists, the majority.

    RTRT

  186. Davey Boy

    Something about actions vs. words, can’t quite remember how it goes, stop right there, thoughtcrime!!

  187. Crossie

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians. They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us. In this sense they are little different from many on the progressive left (including nanny staters) who simply have a different delusion they wish to impose.

    “Ma, he hit me back”. To fight bullies is now considered being hateful.

  188. Yes he does, but whose side is he really on?

    Does it matter? Nobody ever got banned from here simply for disagreeing with the Doomlord.

  189. Bruce

    “The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians. They do not hold our institutions dear – they wish to use the powers these institutions hold in check to impose their views on the rest of us. In this sense they are little different from many on the progressive left (including nanny staters) who simply have a different delusion they wish to impose.”

    There’s one huge difference between Trump (and his Australian equivalents – whoever they might be) – and the left which now controls most of the media, education, our courts, the arts, the public service and most other institutions. If Trump gets in he’ll have been elected by the voters.

    The left get into their positions of power and influence by political appointment, nepotism and paybacks.

  190. Fred Lenin

    Anyone who does not follow the elitists prders is a Brbarian. Simple elitist logic , They murder grannies and bayonet babies ! Now where have I heard that before ?

  191. AP

    If you think this is about technological change, you’re deluded.

  192. Mayan

    Marcus Classis:

    Those who understand history know what we are watching, and are appalled and enraged at the sheer hubris and folly of it all, as our civilisation slides once again into the abyss.

    History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes. In Europe last century, relatively recently conglomerated nations went to war, Germany became the money source, things went awry, and scapegoats were found. In this century, the even further conglomerated bureaucracy of Europe has detached governed from government, Germany is paying for everything, things are going sideways and … hopefully they’ll wake up soon.

    Meanwhile, last century the US decided it didn’t want more involvement in foreign wars, its economy was crap, then aggression in Asia slapped them in the face. Now, Trump doesn’t care for getting involved in foreign wars, the economy is crap, and trouble is brewing in Asia.

    It’s yet another good century to be in the southern hemisphere.

    Winston:

    “Hispanics, Muslims, women or homosexuals” are just one of the tools that the Social Elites are using to steal the country.

    Close: I’d go with “the ostensible respresentation of [various groups and causes] is just one of the tools that the establishment use to fill the media while they really mess things up off camera.”

    Of course, they probably don’t mind people focusing their contempt on certain targets, so long as its not aimed at them.

  193. Ragu

    It is about tech change. Barry Jones promised us that in the future technological advances would give us more leisure time than what we would know what to do with.

    That hasn’t happened

  194. AP

    It’s actually a form of love to desire to police your borders more effectively to prevent criminals and terrorists and those who hold incompatible belief systems from entering your country. Anyone who calls this “hatred” truly does not love their own children.

  195. Crossie

    Oh and without open borders there would be no Trump. You made him! You dunderheaded Idiots!

    For such clever people as our public intellectuals who are almost incapable of logical reasoning cause and effect is beyond them whereas we barbarians have no such problems.

  196. cuckoo

    Since the Orlando shooting has already been raised on this thread, I’m just waiting for the first pundit/frightbat in Australia to say that this proves the need for things like Safe Schools. Because homophobia.

  197. Mayan

    proves the need for things like Safe Schools

    That programme seems to achieve the opposite of its stated intention.

  198. Crossie

    From Cater’s article:

    Behind the anger lurk the emotions of despondency and disillusionment. Mainstream politicians must heed the message and recalibrate their messages accordingly.

    Their message is irrelevant when they go after our superannuation, actions speak louder than any words.

  199. Crossie

    Since the Orlando shooting has already been raised on this thread, I’m just waiting for the first pundit/frightbat in Australia to say that this proves the need for things like Safe Schools. Because homophobia.

    They need a companion program of “Safe mosques”.

  200. Sinc, if Trump is a barbarian and you think in this case barbarian is bad, wherforyou and Conan. Is he also bad now? If so, you used to have a bit of spunk, now you have a wet lettuce.

  201. indigo

    Trump – potentially the next Reagan.

  202. Ragu

    Trump is that crazy uncle you have that tells you the secret to living a good life.

  203. Tom

    The fact is that Trump (and his Australian equivalents) are barbarians.

    Abbott Derangement Syndrome has nothing on Trump hatred.

    The Doomlord is actually regressing before our eyes.

    He will be attempting to play golf with Monty shortly.

  204. Old School Conservative

    Yes he does, but whose side is he really on?

    I get a strong sense that Sinc’s “side” is clearly outlined in his many posts and links. Just read what he puts up to find his support for personal responsibility and economic transparency.
    My main point is that we have a forum in which we can disagree with him.

  205. DM OF WA

    Oh dear Davidson, History he made a fool of you again.

    It occurred yesterday to me to challenge your nonsensical assertion that Trump is “homophobic” but I decided to simply ignore your click bait post.

    May I suggest that you educate yourself about the correct meaning of homophobia by reading the headline of any English newspaper today.

  206. Pat Warnock

    Mique, you are right. We have Sophie’s choice here between two limited ‘so called’ leaders. How did it come to this? We have no right to throw stones at another country’s candidates as they will ricochet back and hit us right between the eyes. Concentrate on our own problem.

  207. hzhouswife

    It is about tech change. Barry Jones promised us that in the future technological advances would give us more leisure time than what we would know what to do with.

    That hasn’t happened

    I beg to differ here. For a start, every young person I know is gainfully employed far less than they would really want.
    A large number of people use their leisure time in totally unproductive ways such as over-eating, making babies they cannot afford, taking a large variety of mind-numbing drugs, being destructive to their friends and families via violence and sloth.
    The trick is to have the intestinal fortitude to use your leisure time to advance your own quality of life and that of others.
    Technological change has given me so much spare time that I take on far too many pursuits and am very fulfilled as a result. However the things I do don’t interest most other people: I cook all our meals, finding that eating out is very poor value. We maintain our house and cars ourselves pretty much, being blessed with the ability to do so currently – fills in the day however boring. I sew and mend. Hubby gardens and tinkers. We run a business. We never have nothing to do – in fact we feel sorry for the multitudes of others who are supposedly “bored”.
    Go technology, give me more time to enjoy in my own way please !

  208. Ms Smith

    Mem June 12 1:09pm and Rayzor 1:11pm, I totally agree with your comments. I find it amusing that two reporters on this website, have such blatant opposing views regarding Donald Trump, one socialist left, one right.
    “It is obvious that [leftists] are not cool-headed logicians systematically analyzing the foundations of knowledge. They are deeply involved emotionally in their attack on truth and reality.”

  209. Old School Conservative

    #2056256, posted on June 13, 2016 at 12:22 pm

    I get a strong sense that Sinc’s “side” is clearly outlined in his many posts and links. Just read what he puts up to find his support for personal responsibility and economic transparency.
    My main point is that we have a forum in which we can disagree with him.

    I’ve read many of his posts and I often get the impression that he’s predominantly a Leftist in conservative clothes. His support for Turnbull is a classic example. I don’t see how anyone could support that smarmy creep.

  210. Fisky

    Conservative Pundit [email protected] 9h9 hours ago
    America’s toxic gun culture is why we’re the ONLY industrialized nation in the world where Muslims shoot people en masse. Reform now!

  211. cynical1

    Conservative Pundit [email protected] 9h9 hours ago
    America’s toxic gun culture is why we’re the ONLY industrialized nation in the world where Muslims shoot people en masse. Reform now!

    So just how far is it from Miami to the Batacalan…

  212. Ragu

    Not far. Distance isn’t the issue, the problem is Fox News

  213. motherhubbard'sdog

    Rule of thumb: anyone who uses the words “the fact is” is about to follow them with an opinion they are pretty sure a lot of people don’t share.

  214. Stan

    There goes my Senate vote from LDP to ALA.

  215. Alex Pundit

    This might be an appropriate moment to rewatch Bill Whittle’s take on Trump.

    Obviously, events have intervened since it was made, making short parts of it dated (or in the case of Biden, perhaps prophetic), but his basic argument is still spot-on as far as I’m concerned.

    LOL, I saw 0.50 coming a mile away. XD

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