Let’s ban old people from voting

The best part of the Brexit victory is the ensuing head-explosions of the elites, the entitled, the Europhiles on the gravy train and the young’uns.

Here is a piece from The Times, no less, which actually played a fairly straight bat during the campaign.

The message is that old people are going to die and they won’t have to live with the consequences of Brexit, so they probably should be disenfranchised.  It’s right, you know.

You really have to laugh, particularly as it is written by someone called Giles.

I had lunch with my mother on Wednesday and as our starters were being cleared away she turned to me and said, “So, Giles, how are you going to vote tomorrow?”

And I replied, “why?” because I sniffed a trap. I’m not saying my mother loves a lunchtime broigus, it’s just that she doesn’t usually ask a question unless she already has a strong opinion of her own fired up and ready to go.

On this, I was guessing she was for Brexit. My mother was (and remains) a great admirer of Margaret Thatcher, almost always votes Conservative, has an abhorrence of bureaucracy and red tape thanks to 40 years working in the NHS (and owning a house in France) and voted to leave the EEC in 1975.

And so her answer astonished me.

“I’m asking because whatever you vote, I’ll vote,” she said. “After all, I’m going to be dead soon so it doesn’t matter what I think. I won’t be affected.”

If only every older person in Britain had had the humility to think the same way this week and pass on their vote to a generation more likely to be affected by the result. We’d still be in Europe this morning. We’d be laughing at how ridiculous it was to have had a referendum in the first place and just getting on with our lives.

For make no mistake, it is the old people who did this to us. I assume you have seen the voting breakdown by age? In the 18-24 group it was 64 per cent to Remain and 24 per cent to Leave. In the 25-49 age group it was 45 per cent to 39. Only in the 50-64 bracket does the balance shift, going over to 49 per cent for Leave, as against 35 for Remain. And then among the over-65s it was an astonishing 58 per cent for Leave, against 33 per cent for Remain.

The less time a person had left on earth to live and face up to their decision, in other words, the more likely they were to vote to leave the European Union.

The wrinkly bastards stitched us young ’uns up good and proper on Thursday. From their stair lifts and their Zimmer frames, their electric recliner beds and their walk-in baths, they reached out with their wizened old writing hands to make their wobbly crosses and screwed their children and their children’s children for a thousand generations. (Except my mother — who wants it made clear that she was for Leave anyway.)

I always knew it would turn out this way. From the moment the referendum was called, the polls showed a massive majority for Leave in the over-65 group — bigger than any differential in wage, education, geographical location or political leaning. And it was how I formed my eventual decision to vote Remain. I just knew that I could not vote with the old people. Because old people are always wrong. About everything.

Take global warming, for example. In all opinion surveys that I have seen, belief in anthropogenic global warming declines every year after the age of 25. In other words, the likelihood of a person accepting the truth of global warming is inversely proportional to the likelihood of their being alive to see its disastrous effects. Is it because people become more stupid with age? I wouldn’t presume to say so. Although obviously Nigel Lawson has. But mainly it’s just that they give less and less of a damn what happens to the rest of us as time goes on.

The older people get, the more they think they have earned the right to do and think whatever they damn well please. And this leads to their being wrong. About everything. Not just about elasticated waistbands, brightly coloured outerwear, fluffy little pale blue hairdos, big chunky spectacles, beige trousers, Countdown and young people today. About everything.

Older people care less and less what happens to the rest of us

Take recycling. Old people never recycle anything. They think it’s all mumbo jumbo. And why should they bother? After all, by the time that bottle of milk stout is crushed, melted and made into another bottle of milk stout, they’ll be far too dead to enjoy it. They can’t work the TV, they can’t hear their mobile phone or answer it if they do hear it, they don’t understand the self-checkout at the supermarket or why there aren’t price tags on things anymore …

And then of course there is immigration. A report for the World Bank in 2012 found that, “It is old people everywhere who oppose immigration the most, across the board. In every country for which we have data (except Sweden) older natives disproportionately oppose immigration, regardless of income, education and employment status.”

And that is despite the fact that it is old people who benefit most from immigration, seeing as they no longer compete in the labour market and require, or will soon require, the sort of care that is made cheaper by immigrant labour. But, oh no, old people are against immigration because, well, because they are wrong about everything.

Should they have been allowed to vote in this referendum? I’m not sure that they should have been. A general election, yes. Everyone should get a say on what happens over the next five years. But over the next 50? I don’t think so. Not if you’re not going to be there to face it.

And don’t go telling me that we owe at least a debt of respect to the elderly. Respect for what? Don’t confuse the elderly of today with the elderly of the recent past. This lot did not fight a war (not many of them). They didn’t free us from the yoke of tyranny. They didn’t live in modesty and hardship and hunger so that future generations might thrive. They just enjoyed high employment, good pay, fat benefits, enormous pension privileges, international travel, the birth of pop music and lashings of free sex. We don’t owe them a thing. We should cut them off. Rewrite the franchise to start at 16 and end at 60 and do this thing all over again.

We won’t, of course. So we will be compelled to make our strength of feeling felt in smaller, subtler ways. In fact it is already happening. As early as lunchtime on Friday, Twitter was showing 15,000 retweets of what may come to be the standout mantra for Brexit 2016:

“I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

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212 Responses to Let’s ban old people from voting

  1. Craig Mc

    Giles, your mother was giving what you exactly what you wanted alright. Good and hard.

  2. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Older people care less and less what happens to the rest of us

    Vooking oath this particular oldie does. It’s a privilege I’ve earned, you snotty little pup.

  3. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We don’t owe them a thing. We should cut them off.

    Fine. Nor should they pay taxes, either…oh, wait….

  4. RobK

    And the little one said: what’s mine is mine and what’s yours is mine.

  5. Empire

    All that can be said is that I wish Giles a slow and painful death when the inevitable occurs. I say this in a charitable sense, that he may have an opportunity for reflection and redemption.

    Pure unadulterated fucking evil. His mother should be ashamed of him and of herself for producing a vile facsimile of a human being and then acquiescing to his narcissistic desires when she should have been a champion of liberty at the finest hour.

    Epic fail all-round.

  6. Myrddin Seren

    Twitter was showing 15,000 retweets of what may come to be the standout mantra for Brexit 2016:

    “I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

    words fail – the brain dead – my God.

  7. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We don’t owe them a thing. We should cut them off.

    I’ll bet Giles isn’t too proud to accept a sizable inheritance…

  8. calli

    This has to be a parody piece. It sounds like Rik from The Young Ones having a good rant.

  9. Gertrude

    Awww, poor little Giles has thrown all of his toys out of his cot.

  10. A Lurker

    I got about a third of the way through that piece of self-entitled crap before I gave up.

    I’m not an oldie (simply middle aged) but here is a heads up to the Youth who would deny their Elders a vote.

    For most, Age brings Experience, Understanding, Knowledge, and Wisdom.
    Youth might possess book learning, but that is about it, they don’t even possess a monopoly on passion because older people are just as passionate – they just keep that passion deep inside, carefully tended.

    Youth reckons Oldies are arrogant, but the greatest arrogance I’ve seen in this narcissistic, self-entitled age is from the Millenniums.

  11. Marcus Classis

    So, all wisdom lieth in the young?

    I ws a bloody idiot when I was young. Getting married and having kids solved that quick smart.

    Either the butthurt is strong in this one or he has written something that works well as a satirical piece.

    His overall hypothesis is laughable, just a recitation of false hipster-asshole latte sipping points squirted like amoebic dysentery out of the arses of totalitarian racist cretins like the greenfilth.

  12. Myrddin Seren

    Let’s ban old people from voting

    Translation – conservative people must be disenfranchised.

    You may say this is a long term aim of the Left.

    The thing is – the EU was the very embodiment of this. A nakedly undemocratic supranational body committed to Ever Closer Integration. The only logical endpoint of ‘Ever Closer’ would have to be the debasement of national parliaments to pointless debating societies, if not their outright abolition and transformation of the various parliaments in to museums or some such.

    The EU literally is the vehicle of Giles’ dream to disenfranchise the conservatives.

    Naturally, Giles loses his effective vote in this but presumably thinks that as long as he and his fellow cosmopolitans can Tweet out social justice campaigns to the EU tables of the high-and-mighty – he is winning without the messy encumbrances of democracy.

    Giles is exactly the sort of person I foresee leading huge protests and riots in the near future.

  13. RobK

    Giles doesn’t comprehend that his mother may out live him. Giles doesn’t comprehend a lot of things.

  14. Marcus Classis

    Rico:

    Margaret Thatcher once called the EU “perhaps the greatest folly of the modern era.”
    – That Great Britain has figured this out with their BREXIT vote is a testament to them.

    If Thatcher the Great actually said that, she was prescient.

  15. H B Bear

    mUnty ran a tweet that picked up this hopeless Leftist meme. It was beneath mUnty which shows you just how far Teh Times has fallen.

    If they want to start weighting votes I suggest multiplying them by (tax paid – welfare received)/10,000 and see how that goes.

  16. 3d1k

    The young are no longer capable of revolution.

    They’ve been homogenised: attentively moulded into an unquestioning conformity via restraints to speech, action and the inclusivity palaver of modern educational safe spaces.

    It took the oldies to show them how it’s done.

  17. 3d1k

    And here Francis Fukuyama (27 years ago) gets to the essence – do read it – it’s worth the minute it takes

    https://twitter.com/3d1kzen/status/746509195734720512

  18. Myrddin Seren

    herodotus quotes Terry McCrann on the Open Forum:

    But it was a community that was dragged irresistibly from one of just integrated markets to one of greater, more oppressive regulation and rule-by-bureaucrat in the absence of full political union.

    Here’s the thing. The EU was founded by people who saw the nationalist sentiment of the proles as a major factor in the insanity that was WW1 ( see Booker and North – ‘The Great Deception’ for example ).

    It was never intended to be a democratic institution. It was a means for the technocratic elites to collar the proles.

    Hence I dispute that there is any evidence that ‘full political union’ would have seen the EU as a continent-wide democracy on the US model. Just the end game of ‘Ever Closer Integration’ and rule by the elite.

  19. Leigh Lowe

    Giles is a parody, right?

  20. notafan

    Giles Coren can’t be serious.

    I would be surprised if many of the over 80 walker generation voted.

    Thought Giles would be too old himself for that millennial angst but seems Remain and Climate Change belief go hand in hand.

    Giles is another one who can afford to live far away from the muslim ghettos and will never have a Rotherhamised daughter.

    “I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

    I’m pretty sure there is an EU regulation that means five years in gaol for not giving up your seat.

    Lucky that article is in the Times or Giles might find himself being arrested for inciting violence against old people (I assume that millenial Remainers don’t read The Times)

  21. classical_hero

    Translation of the article is democracy is good when I agree with the result.

  22. notafan

    Giles Coren age 46 and three quarters from Supersizers and a graduate of the Westminster School and Oxford.

    Privilege personified, thanks mum.

  23. rebel with cause

    Giles sounds like a condescending prat.

  24. cynical1

    He will be ok.

    Jihadis want blood on their knives, not shite….

  25. calli

    Giles Coren

    Oh. It’s that Giles. Forty eight year old Giles Coren.

    He’s having fun guys.

    I hope.

  26. MD

    They didn’t free us from the yoke of tyranny.

    Yes they did, Junior. They got you out of the EU.

  27. Chester Draws

    Definitely only those with science qualifications should vote on global warming.

    Sadly, the qualified are anti Giles. The know-nothing luvvies are petrified by what they don’t understand. Engineers not so much, because they can do the numbers.

  28. Bronson

    Does Giles give any evidence that he has ever given up his seat on a train to an old person? With the attitude he displays in his writing I doubt Giles has ever done anything that didn’t benefit Giles himself.

  29. Natural Instinct

    18-24 group it was 64 per cent to Remain and 24 per cent to Leave.
    25-49 age group it was 45 per cent to 39.
    50-64 bracket does the balance shift, going over to 49 per cent for Leave, as against 35 for Remain.
    over-65s it was an astonishing 58 per cent for Leave, against 33 per cent for Remain.

    I did not know the referendum voting paper had a question about age. Or sex or education level, for that matter.
    Oh silly me – people are “just making it up” from any old poll they can find, irrespective of its bona-fides.

  30. MD

    Giles is actually taking the P (very nicely) out of those amongst the young who see it as a young/old issue.

    In fact, the young should be very grateful that they have been given a clean slate for the future. They can now create their own future, and if that at some stage means rejoining the EU, they are free to do so on terms that are not as destructive as those of today, which were forced on Britain without the consent of the people.

  31. Can’t we just have Carousel instead?

  32. pbw

    This has to be tongue-in-cheek.

  33. Seco

    This is why euthanasia is so high on the list for “Progressives”.

  34. Art Vandelay

    “I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

    The caring, compassionate, tolerant Left summed up in a sentence.

  35. candy

    Giles is such an old sounding name, though. He’d have to be at least 60 with a name like that surely.

  36. CraftyNipper

    At least “young” people who would deny “old” people the right to vote don’t have to concern themselves with people who otherwise would be old except they lie in countless marked and unmarked graves dying to secure the rights the young enjoy.

  37. Titch

    Why is it that the aboriginal and similar peoples accept that their elders are to be respected, their experience to be considered valued and their opinions listened to, for the good of the group.
    But in today’s western society, the same is not tolerated, in fact it is totally rejected and disparaged by youth. The whining about free university (which hardly anyone actually did get), the screaming about how those with a bit of money (saved up instead of overseas holidays and cafe lifestyle) and their negatively geared property, is all we ever hear from the younger generation. Over 50 and invisible, unless the younger generation want to dump on us.

  38. notafan

    Sock puppets still phoning it in I see.

  39. Baldrick

    Giles is correct. Generation CupCake are a bunch of cry-bullying moochers.

  40. Nanuestalker

    I assume this article is tongue ‘n cheek but it does highlight the reason so many are against euthanasia.

    I’m glad that if I want it, the likes of Dignitas is available (albeit a 20hr flight away) and until a few years ago was all for legalising euthanasia. My mind was changed (to a fence sitter TBH) when questioned as to combating potential elder abuse and I had no answer.

  41. Anonandon

    Before the vote, not knowing too much about it, I was fairly agnostic on whether they should remain or leave, but judging from the reaction of the losers (and who the losers are), I’d say Britain just made a very sensible decision.

    What I can’t quite reconcile is that those here that were against leaving are probably the same ones that want a republic. Maybe the republic movement is just a first step. Hmm.

    As for the old voting one way – they know better than the young what the country has lost over the past 40 odd years.

  42. cuckoo

    One of my very favourite shows was Supersizers go…. Genuinely interesting from the history point of view and presented by one of the most beautiful women on tv, Sue Perkins. (If I weren’t married and she weren’t gay…) The only downside was her co-presenter Giles Coren, a perpetual little misery guts with affectedly bad table manners – I’ve seen hyenas eat with more delicacy.

    You may have seen a recent bit of news footage where some lad confronts the rag end of a ‘leave’ rally and tries to shirtfront a shorter, older man who gently waves him away telling him (correctly) that no-one is interested in what he has to say. It’s a joy to watch the boy’s rising hysteria and barely concealed wish to take a swing at the older man (if he knew how to do such a thing) against the adult’s unflappability. Eventually he is reduced to shrieking “It’s because I’m seventeen and you think I know nothing!! [Wahhhh]”. If you want an argument against lowering the voting age, there it is.
    Actually, while I’m at it, you may have seen the wonderful clip of Daniel Hannan (MEP) speaking in favour of Brexit. He was hectored (under the guise of a question) by some angry epicene overweight geek in a ‘clever’ t-shirt who sneered at ‘abstract ideas of democracy’. That kid is presumably now seeking solace in Red Bulls and his collection of anime porn.

  43. Makka

    “Why is it that the aboriginal and similar peoples accept that their elders are to be respected, their experience to be considered valued and their opinions listened to, for the good of the group.
    But in today’s western society, the same is not tolerated, in fact it is totally rejected and disparaged by youth.”

    It’s not in all of western society. It seems largely confined to state based education. Socialist Public School education encourages this mindset. It is designed to de-value the family and community and place all trust, hope and reliance on the nanny state. Whereas in most private education systems the propaganda doesn’t exist or is toned way way down.

  44. 2dogs

    The Left are saying that Brexit was the act of the elderly in order to hide the fact that it was the act of the working class. Whom they don’t actually care about.

  45. CraftyNipper

    I should have read the whole thing, and not just Judith’s intro, before I commented before. It has to be tongue in cheek, unless of course Giles is a Green in which case I’m a little reluctant to credit him with the necessary wit.

  46. Turtle of WA

    old people are going to die and they won’t have to live with the consequences of Brexit

    Same reason they give for more old people not believing in dangerous anthropogenic global warming.

  47. tbh

    I know nothing about this bloke but he’s taking the piss, right? If so then well played, but if he’s fair dinkum then up yer arse mate. You don’t get to keep voting until you get the result you want, neither do you get to prevent other people who disagree with you from doing so.

  48. 2dogs

    Take global warming, for example. In all opinion surveys that I have seen, belief in anthropogenic global warming declines every year after the age of 25. In other words, the likelihood of a person accepting the truth of global warming is inversely proportional to the likelihood of their being alive to see its disastrous effects. having cottoned on to the fraud increases with lifetime experience.

    Ideally, Giles and his ilk want to disenfranchise people as soon as the state school system indoctrination wears off.

  49. H B Bear

    Giles is actually taking the P (very nicely) out of those amongst the young who see it as a young/old issue.

    Yep.

  50. a happy little debunker

    In the 18-24 group it was 64 per cent to Remain and 24 per cent to Leave.
    In the 25-49 age group it was 45 per cent to 39.
    Only in the 50-64 bracket does the balance shift, going over to 49 per cent for Leave, as against 35 for Remain.
    And then among the over-65s it was an astonishing 58 per cent for Leave, against 33 per cent for Remain.

    With age comes experience that helps the development of humilty, temperance and wisdom.

  51. calli

    Giles is channelling the departed.

    I’m amazed he didn’t say the elderly were boring. ?

  52. TC

    Listen to ABC radio and tell me Giles is taking the P , every person interviewed thinks the exit voters are either old , stupid or racist.

  53. Eddystone

    As early as lunchtime on Friday, Twitter was showing 15,000 retweets of what may come to be the standout mantra for Brexit 2016:

    “I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

    Seriously?

    None of those arseholes has ever given up their seat for anyone else.

  54. 2dogs

    If one extends on Giles’ principle of having to live with the decision, then only those who are net tax payers should have a vote on government expenditure.

  55. calli

    TC, that’s what makes his piece parody.

  56. TC

    Someone mentioned exit voters feeling intimidated , I think the 18 to 24 year olds would be more likely to lie about their vote than the elderly , pressure to conform , might explain why the stay camp was so surprised by the result.

  57. No Eynstine

    Giles sounds like he is aged between 25 to 35, Britain has been in the EU for 30 odd years so he would probably not know freedom from malign interfering government bodies if it bit him on the arse.

    He doesn’t seem to realise that what he has been taught is the new curriculum and that he is a victim of the education system that removed critical thinking from the curriculum 25 years ago.

  58. Fred Lenin

    He bitter disappointment of the leftists at the Brexit result proves beyond doubt that it has become a leftist vehicle for one world unelected government . The corrupt EU is the pattern they will use if the u.n.communists achieve their aim of world domination . The good old English are awake to the plot and wont have a bar of it . I hope we Aussies become aware of this ,as turnbull ,shorten and di natale are all part of the problem the u.n.communists have created .

  59. Roger

    Stable, mature cultures revere the wisdom of their elders.

    Leftism is neither stable nor mature. It is the ersatz religion of the perpetual intellectual undergraduate.

  60. DB

    Boo hoo!
    Perhaps “the oldies” voted to leave because they are the only ones who remember what it was like being an independent nation state.
    Some of the commentary here in Australia is just as bad, viz. Paul Kelly in today’s The Australian.
    The political and media elites in Australia — who lament the British people’s decision to leave the stifling bureaucracy of the European Union and restore the primacy of their own Parliament and courts — are the very same people who would have Australia become a republic under the guise of asserting our independence from Britain, even though the Statute of Westminster 1931 and the Australia Act 1986 already give effect to the independence of our Parliament and courts.
    Is the irony lost on them?

  61. Tel

    It might be fair to point out that Giles Coren is something of a comedian (he did the Supersizers series with Sue Perkins and although it was entertaining, neither of them came across as really deep thinkers). Giles is also a writer in as much as he is a restaurant critic, which is a fine profession and if I ever need to know whether old restaurants are better than young restaurants I have an excellent resource right there.

    Funny old world, Giles has a go at fat people costing the NHS too much money, here…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-388001/Shouldnt-tax-fatties.html

    But strangely enough, when older people (who need the NHS and probably helped pay for it with a lifetime of high taxes) don’t want immigrants from Europe to stroll in and cost the NHS a bunch of money, then it’s the tax donkeys who are too stupid to know what’s good for them.

  62. Tel

    He bitter disappointment of the leftists at the Brexit result proves beyond doubt that it has become a leftist vehicle for one world unelected government . The corrupt EU is the pattern they will use if the u.n.communists achieve their aim of world domination .

    Similar to Trump — pissing off all the people who most needed it.

    Stay agile and innovative guys!

  63. Marcus Classis

    Yeah, no.

    looking at the timeline, among the first electorates to come in as Brexit was Sunderland. Sunderland. Sunderland is labour heartland. The rest of labour heartland followed.

    So the British working class and the rural areas where Briton culture is strongest all voted to leave.

    Leaving the cosmo-proggie softcocks sobbing into their soy lattes.

    The left is a lot weaker than their noisy screeching indicates.

  64. Jo Smyth

    Heard the London correspondent on the ABC this morning saying that the under 25s in England are raging about the fact older people have decided their future by adopting to leave Europe. When their brains are more mature in a few years time, they will discover the oldies have done them a favour. The under 25s worldwide are so indoctrinated by a left wing education system that espouses globalism and socialism, it’s a wonder they have any thoughts at all.

  65. Makka

    So the British working class and the rural areas where Briton culture is strongest all voted to leave.”

    Correct. The Left establishment , like the Tory establishment were rejected outright by their own constituents. This is why the elites are in such a panic. The Brexit vote signalled their irrelevancy to those whom they depend upon. The elites fear their loss of status and all that manna they have enjoyed will come to an end. The same process is underway in the US with Trump bid for POTUS.

    Alas nothing here. Yet. I’m hoping that someone of the likes of Bernardi will eventually step up.

  66. TC

    Calli , I can’t tell the difference anymore , I have been laughing at the so called experts being interviewed all day.

  67. Grunter

    If Giles had stats on say how people with/without degrees voted, would he hold the same ignorant position if a particular group had a preference? What about men vs women? The list is longggggggg and young Giles is – what’s the word I’m looking for – oh yes, young.

  68. notafan

    If Giles had stats on say how people with/without degrees voted, would he hold the same ignorant position if a particular group had a preference? What about men vs women? The list is longggggggg and young Giles is – what’s the word I’m looking for – oh yes, young.

    Giles was born in 1969 so, by young people standards, not young.

  69. Fred Lenin

    Another coule ofnails in the fascist left EU coffin if Scotland and Ulster secede and the comrades have to pay the welfare bill . Then if France ,Hollnd ,Italy and Denmark go the comrades will be suffed . Loe it when the u.n.communists stuff everything up ,as they always do .

  70. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Marcus Classis
    #2069006, posted on June 25, 2016 at 1:21 pm

    So, all wisdom lieth in the young?

    I think it was Cardinal Richelieu who said “old age and cunning will always overcome youth and enthusiasm.”

  71. Rich

    Weren’t all the current crop of oldies hippies in the 60s – something changed?

    Run the poll in 30 years, bet you get the same shift [cue Churchill quote]

  72. Stimpson J. Cat

    Just cut to the chase and ban them from breathing.
    Those old b?stards with their letters and numbers and crazy ideas.

  73. It could also be that the closer you were born to the Third Reich the more suspicious you are of a Fourth Reich. (Although a mummy who calls her kid Giles is probably just plain mean.)

  74. dweezy2176

    “I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

    The idea of Giles catching a train with the common folk is stretching the imagination too far!

  75. Bigpeteoz

    If Giles is real and serious, is he not man enough to take on an old lady in a verbal debate? What a gutless chump.

  76. Zatara

    “I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

    Do that to a lady in front of me and I’ll piss all over you and claim incontinence.

  77. Tel

    Zero self-reflection, massive condescension, blame, blame, blame, blame, you selfish, you racist, blame, blame, not my problem, so there!

  78. Linden

    It’s funny how the inheritance kind of brings them back to square one! There all independent of course, except they want someone else to pay the flamin bills for them, I see all the time at our work place, parents paying bills for so called children who are actually full blown adults, it really pathetic when you listen to the excused, oh he can’t do this, or its too far too hard, he not suited to that kind of work and on and on it goes,,,,

  79. .

    Revolution? Spite?

    The vote was won on a 1.8% margin. No one could honestly say they could accurately predict such an outcome. The margin of error is nearly always bigger than this.

    If the young wanted to stay in, they should have gotten more of their own to vote.

  80. Nerblnob

    Giles Coren is a windup merchant.

    He takes an “entitled” position, turns it up a few notches, doubles it, then lets go with a rant for maximum comedic effect. Comedic is a matter of opinion of course.

    His comments section is usually full of outraged politically correct who’ve taken him seriously. Like here.

  81. Zatara

    If the young wanted to stay in, they should have gotten more of their own to vote.

    It was raining.

  82. Nerblnob

    I’m not saying he’s Swiftian but the column in question has got Modest Proposal written all over it.

    Me, I don’t care when people say the old and their opinions will die off. I remind them that they won’t be young anymore by then.

  83. Notafan

    Giles’s premise is absurd anyhow, if he had been a Leaver would his rant be any more reasonable?

    And what 60 years as the cut off, why not 55 or 50?

    There should be an ability to think rationally test for voter eligibility. Giles and his cohort would find themselves disenfranchised.

  84. Nerblnob

    I’m a Times subscriber by the way Judith.
    I wouldn’t say they played a straight bat in the referendum. They were campaigning hard for Remain in the “news” sections, with the odd dissenting column in the Comment section. Even today they have columns starting that Leave voters were fooled by false promises etc etc.

    Coren is mocking this tendency in his own OTT way. Not as subtle and witty as his late father Alan whom he revered as far as I can see.

  85. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Surely that bloke is jesting, but nevertheless his “I will never give up my seat to an old person again” is true right now for most of the young don’t, and haven’t for a long time. The irony of it all is that we conceived and bore them, we raised them, and we set the example for them to follow.

  86. Linden

    Oscar Wilde, ‘youth is wasted on the young’!

  87. Notafan

    Coren wouldn’t be the first ‘comedian’ to lose his blob over something that he is invested in.

    If it was intended to be funny it really didn’t work.

  88. testpattern

    Uk median age 40. Ageing, not reproducing, hurtling toward the demographic dustbin. Aust median age 36 not far behind. Without a juvenation the west is structurally fucked. We need 3 million youth asap to force the parties to make policy for the young not the aged. Welfare should kick in only after two kids. Those who have more than four pay no tax. 3 million immigrants asap none over the age of 23. Or else a nation of old fogey white trash of Asia. As exemplified by catallaxy border novel no blog for young men.

  89. Linden

    I can see a mass legal immigration into Germany, they can link hands with all the muslims flooding into the place, I’m sure they will all get along just dandy, seeing they believe in fairy tales

  90. Some History

    Make way. Turbo dummy-spit coming through.

    EU referendum: Government website crashes as Remain voters demand second referendum

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-referendum-government-website-crashes-as-thousands-of-remain-voters-demand-second-contest-a3279936.html

  91. Notafan

    Coren’s twitter feed indicates serious.

    Someone also put up a comment that only 25% of youth bothered to vote.

    So there you go.

  92. calli

    Chuckle.

    From Some History’s link:

    Zero self-awareness.

  93. Mater

    His comments section is usually full of outraged politically correct who’ve taken him seriously. Like here

    He may be a supporter of remain (who knows) but I’d suggest that he is pulling the piss out of some of the extreme positions being posted on Twitter. He is definitely a wind up merchant who mocks certain positions, by taking them to the absolute extreme. Look what he does to his wife (on a mummy site of all places). PC is not his strong suit.

  94. rickw

    A large part of Brexit is simply about border control. To this end I find the remain stance of many young Britains completely illogical.

    Who is more likely to get raped by a rapefugee? A young woman or a Granny?

    Who is more likely to get shot or stabbed by Islam’s foot soldiers because they are a threat? A young man or a Grandpa?

    Young Britains had the most to lose from Remain, thank goodness the oldies looked after them.

  95. JohnA

    Natural Instinct #2069040, posted on June 25, 2016, at 1:48 pm

    18-24 group it was 64 per cent to Remain and 24 per cent to Leave.
    25-49 age group it was 45 per cent to 39.
    50-64 bracket does the balance shift, going over to 49 per cent for Leave, as against 35 for Remain.
    over-65s it was an astonishing 58 per cent for Leave, against 33 per cent for Remain.

    I did not know the referendum voting paper had a question about age. Or sex or education level, for that matter.
    Oh silly me – people are “just making it up” from any old poll they can find, irrespective of its bona-fides.

    NI, as Dot said a little earlier, if we can trust those numbers, which I doubt, then the “oldies” mustered the votes to get the result, whereas the youngsters didn’t.

    Ockham’s Razor again.
    From The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe:
    Professor Kirke: What do they teach in schools these days?

  96. duncanm

    broigus – that’s a new word for me.

    As others have pointed out – with age comes experience. “The Impetuousness Of Youth” is a fine aphorism
    My favourite use of this quote is Akira the karate teacher on the Simpsons.

    The oldies are the ones who have experienced Britain without the EU. The young-uns should listen up and learn to shut the f. up.

    I suspect Giles does good straight-face comedy.

  97. duncanm

    I wonder what the % of each band actually bothered to vote. I suspect the oldies were out in force, while many young slackers stayed at home playing with their i-whatsits plugged into facegram.

  98. Myrddin Seren

    Look – if Coren’s piece is a pisstake, who can tell anymore ??

    As Blair’s Law inevitably rolls down hill towards a singularity of stupidity, the great age of Identity Politics means it is impossible to tell if Coren is serious or not ?

    Here in Australia, we regularly see on TV some hipster douchebag with Ned Kelly beard railing against the fact that older people are still living in bigger houses they raised their families in, and young hipsters can’t get in to the capital city trendy housing market. In short – the old have to be moved out of their larger homes by mandate or taxation.

    How much of a leap is it to think Generation Special Snowflake will demand voting that weighs in their favour and discounts or eliminates the vote of older cohorts ? They certainly feel that way about any issue related to AGW. It is only a question of ‘what next’ ?

    The reality is, Coren’s piece – straight or satire – is the logical endpoint of the Identity Politics which now prevails.

  99. duncanm

    ok – as Notafan reports above, 18-25 turnout was 25%

    Stupid, lazy fuckers. They have no-one to blame but themselves.

  100. Rabz

    We’d be laughing at how ridiculous it was to have had a referendum in the first place

    Lenin would be chuffed.

    It’s not in the least bit surprising that such illiterate, innumerate ahistorical imbeciles hate democracy.

    After all, they’ve been brainwashed to do so.

  101. one old bruce

    “Germany, they can link hands with all the muslims flooding into the place…” yes look, actual police reports aside (of which there have been, what, 4?) the amount of misinformation in the english-speaking media about present life in Germany is incredible.

    No you won’t see masses of refugees, even if you live and work in Germany, unless you’re catching a ferry to Sweden which is where they all seem congregate. Germany is far far safer than London, Paris and parts of Sydney’s western suburbs, just to pick a few examples I’m familiar with. It is one of the safest places in the (present day) world. It is one of the best places to work, leaves the UK for dead (I wouldn’t advise anyone to work in the UK, but Germany is great!).

    Having said that, I think the Germans have treated the Brits badly in the EU, I think the Brits have made the right choice and, I think this will turn out better for both Germans and Brits, in the long run. Merkel needs to rein in her megalomania when dealing with equals (not Greece). It does astound me how the Germans seem utterly incapable of understanding British notions of liberty. Perhaps it’s genetic and they never will understand each other. This divorce will make all sides better. Good for the Brits.

  102. duncanm

    How much of a leap is it to think Generation Special Snowflake will demand voting that weighs in their favour and discounts or eliminates the vote of older cohorts

    Myrddin – probably true, but the oldies (I’m approaching that age, eldest will be of voting age in a couple of years) have no-one to blame but ourselves.

    We brought up generation snowflake, we gave them their lack of moral courage and ridiculous self-importance.

    I’m currently reading the book ‘Excellent Sheep: The Miseducation of the American Elite’ passed to me by my elderly dad. Quite an enlightening read; how we’ve born a generation of “polite, striving, praise-addicted, grade-grubbing nonentities”

  103. Bruce of Newcastle

    The report from London on Seven News just now was interesting since the demonstrators seemed to be young but without the usual Socialist Alliance style banners.

    I think one big reason for the Leave vote is the older people have seen country after country in their terminal phase – Soviet Union, Romania, Yugoslavia and most recently Venezuela – that they recognise the same arc affecting the lefty controlled EU. The young might have read about it in a textbook, if they’re lucky. More likely they’ve not even studied history, since these days schools seem to avoid anything which makes the Left look bad. So they’ve no idea. But the older ones sure have.

  104. duncanm

    FMD – what a bunch of selfish, blind, ahistorical, ignorant turds

    We – Generations Y and Z – are the first generation in Europe to almost exclusively change the world with hardly any form of violence. We reject basic ideas of capitalism without even noticing it, simply because technology is making them redundant. We have grown up in multiethnic societies and conciously reject our grandparents’ open and our parents’ ingrained racism. We fight sexism. We denounce exploitation and the devoting of our lives to someone else’s profit. Unsurprisingly, all of this terrifies some people.

  105. Squirrel

    Clearly all those young people standing with Nigel Farage at the victory celebrations were paid extras.

  106. calli

    Well, Ollie, off you go then. And mind the rebound on the door. It’s brutal.

  107. duncanm

    It really is quite scary.

    I didn’t study history in school (or uni) – much to my dismay now as I grow older, however I do seem to have a grasp of at least enough history to realise very little is new in the world of countries, conquest, despotism, anarchy, and dictatorship. Some of these dis-enfranchised youth need to get their heads out of their arses and read a couple of books (wikipedia cheat notes will probably be enough, really).

  108. Makka

    I think one big reason for the Leave vote is the older people have seen country after country in their terminal phase “

    Merkel’s act of national suicide scared the pants off many. It was a glimpse into their EU future that they didn’t like one little bit.

  109. Atoms for Peace

    Reading Giles’ screed has had me suffering from a relapse of stultophobia..

  110. Habib

    Methinks Giles doth project a little. My Mum would’ve done me a mischief had I opted to remain a craven serf to the Frog and Hun.

  111. Percy

    Irony would be this bloke getting whacked on the head by a meteorite tomorrow.

  112. Lloydww

    Remainers do have the option to emigrate to the Continent.

  113. Fred Lenin

    I dont believe the figures quoted for age group voting hiw can anyone be precise about a subject hat is not noted while voting? Can you see theballot paper. ” O o vote yes or no to this question ? Fill in your age grouping, .indicate whether you voted yes or no .” Yeah right ! Novel voting paper hat. These “figures” are the product of the usual socialist liars. As for another referendum if they lose that they will damand more untill they get the result they want . Thats why we are having demos against a plebiscite on SSM they know they are on to a hiding on a fair vote ,demand a plebiscite thus is too important ti trust to career pollliemuppets who would kill their Granny for a vote .

  114. MarkA

    one old bruce

    If you are so familiar with Germany, its safety and working conditions etc. calling it the safest place on earth, would you mind giving us a clue where you work, which city you live in? Visited any of the small towns, overwhelmed by 2 to 1 with recent ‘guests’?
    Where the citizens are advised to use different routes going to school or shopping to avoid contact with said ‘guests”?
    Naturally you are also familiar with this sort of behaviour, although this happened in Austria?
    Of course you must have intimate knowledge of all those other places as well being able to make such an authoritative comparison.

    I personally think you are full of it but that’s just me .

  115. Indolent

    The vote was won on a 1.8% margin.

    I think it was actually 1.9% but that’s beside the point. 1.3 million more people voted to leave the EU than voted to stay in it, in what was possibly the largest voter turnout ever, 72%, certainly more than in the last general election.

    The editorial in the Sydney Daily Telegraph was just wonderful. Short and to the point. This part particularly appealed –

    Late on Thursday night a former Englishman who is now a naturalised Australian phoned Britain to wish his beloved uncle a happy 90th birthday.

    Uncle Johnny, as it happens, is extremely lucky to make it this far. during World War II he served in a parachute regiment and land deep in enemy territory.

    His nephew asked how his uncle was planning to vote in yesterday’s historic Brexit referendum. “When I was 20 I dropped into France to stop the Germans taking over my country.” he replied, “so I thought I’d better have another go at stopping them now.”

  116. Motelier

    There was a movie about this or something similar.

    Oh. That’s right.

    Logan’s Run.

  117. Rabz

    merkel’s act of national suicide scared the pants off many

    There’s a certain finality about the term “suicide”, innit?

    The Germans desperately tried to commit national suicide in the twentieth century. Twice.

    Marx was nominally a German. They just can’t help themselves.

    Speaking as someone with German ancestry, recent events in the Fatherland have not been cheery, to put it mildly. The thought of Bavaria falling into the hands of the musselmen sticks in the craw, quite frankly.

  118. Linden

    Thanks for that One Old Bruce, I was fortunate enough to do the Danube Rhine River cruise last April May, and walked many towns in Germany along the way, and it is a great place to go and see for sure, especially Austria,

  119. jock

    Giles is a lovely kid. Restrospective abortion would be a joy to boomers and giles wouldn’t have to worry about getting french truffles

  120. Caveman

    ” Old people ” ..be afraid…….be very afraid.

  121. Makka

    “The thought of Bavaria falling into the hands of the musselmen sticks in the craw, quite frankly.”

    Horrifying. Back in the 90’s I had the great fortune to spend a week in Munchen and it’s environs. I could not get over how rich and beautiful not only the wonderful city but the close by villages and towns scattered about the area. The people I met were so friendly and welcoming even though I had no German language. A glorious landscape and such pretty villages. I can only conclude that Merkel somewhere has a deep hatred for that history and order to wish such destruction on to the place.

  122. entropy

    Motelier
    #2069320, posted on June 25, 2016 at 7:07 pm
    There was a movie about this or something similar.

    Oh. That’s right.

    Logan’s Run.

    Jenny Agutter.
    Jenny Agutter.
    Jenny Agutter.

    Returning to the topic. I think Soylent Green might be what they have in mind.

  123. Mrs Beardsley

    The end game of Marxists is to divide us by gender, age, ability, wealth, race, sexual orientation, religion, job type, politics, class and a myriad of other identity boxes. Divide and conquer. #Brexit = Beautiful.

  124. Linden

    I with my partner had the pleasure is visiting a private home in Bamburg on the Rhine, it was brilliant, sitting listening to tell the story of their lifestyle, and some aspects were so much more practical than what happens here, for instance they are allowed to go into forest logging plantations after falling has been and collect the residue for their fire wood, could not imagine that happening here!

  125. “I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

    Meaningless, empty threat. I haven’t seen a younger person on public transport stand up for an older person in over twenty years. Nor for a cripple or a pregnant woman, either.

  126. jock

    Ok i give up. No more comments on catallaxy since they are not deemed worthwhile. Ill take catallaxy off my reading list.

  127. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I haven’t seen a younger person on public transport stand up for an older person in over twenty years. Nor for a cripple or a pregnant woman, either.

    Once, in twenty years. I blush to relate I was having a bad day with back trouble, and was walking with a stick. A very pretty young lady, indeed, offered me her seat….that’s when you realise you are getting old.

  128. MarkA

    Sheesh.
    Now I’ve seen it all.
    People visiting for a few weeks doing pleasure cruises are now experts on political and social conditions in Europe.

  129. Viva

    Your elders saved the country not primarily for themselves but for you and your generation you ungrateful little twat.

  130. Linden

    I don’t think I said that, at least I have been into the country more than some I would imagine, so you can stay off your high horse for a bit longer lol

  131. Linden

    Funny how the pollies always the voters get it right, but a when it does not suit them, it’s different story, those damn old fogies! what the hell were they thinking.

  132. MarkA

    Linden
    I bloody hail from there and lived in Europe half of my life. Not to mention the business interest and frequent travels to Europe particularly Austria Hungary and Russia and spend at least 6 months each year over there.
    I take the liberty to assume I have a better grasp of the situation than a half gazed tourist infatuated with anything foreign.
    And happen to speak the lingo too.

  133. Makka

    “I take the liberty to assume I have a better grasp of the situation than a half gazed tourist infatuated with anything foreign.”

    What’s your take then Mark?

  134. Bob in Castlemaine

    What an incredible goose, I had to wonder whether this Giles character was serious with his two year-old tantrum. Presumably it never crossed this smug, intellectual giant’s mind that these dreaded “old people” might just have lived long enough and experienced enough to enable them spot it a mile off when politicians are trying to sell them a pig in a poke.
    All I can say is hooray for the wrinkly Poms!

  135. MarkA

    My take Makka?
    Europe is f…ckd
    There are hopeful signs, but what in my and other’s opinion, are centre left govs. are identified by the progressives as fascist right wing nut jobs.
    It all depends where you stand in the political spectrum.

    Spec. in this instance I speak of Poland and Hungary and Czech republic .
    If you follow EU news closely you’d know of how shabbily the EU commissars are treating the popularly elected PMs of both Poland’s and Hungary.
    Treated like servants.
    And you wonder why people are pissed off?
    Australia and I admit all other countries are only interested in local affairs so they have no idea what’s going on.

  136. Makka

    Thanks Mark. So essentially you pretty much agree with the consensus of the wide eyed tourists here.

    It’s good to get insight from current experiences on here. No need to hurl abuse though.

  137. MarkA

    Makka
    I apologise.
    When my lying eyes contradict the imagined experience of the ‘wide eyed tourist’ I tend to get carried away.

    My fault I know but working on it.
    Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

  138. Rasputin

    I think he should be a candidate for voluntary euthanasia. He might do more good gone than he can do evil here. Dickens had the sentiment right in A Tale Of Two Cities.
    But seriously how is it that democracy and self determination were once considered worth bloodshed at any price and wankers like Giles think only of opportunity and cash? How is it that the remain Armageddon claims are already scrapped the day after? God help society if shitheads like Giles are being mass produced in our leftard education system!

  139. Makka

    No problem Mark. It’s all good. I think we all acknowledge that it’s such a big shame what we see being inflicted on Europe by the fat tick parasites they have in charge. Worryingly the damage appears to be irreversible. Hopefully as a regular visitor there you can share more of your current observations with us. My experiences are from about a decade ago, working in Russia and travelling through France and the UK over a period. Lots of changes since then.

  140. rickw

    We – Generations Y and Z – are the first generation in Europe to almost exclusively change the world with hardly any form of violence. We reject basic ideas of capitalism without even noticing it, simply because technology is making them redundant. We have grown up in multiethnic societies and conciously reject our grandparents’ open and our parents’ ingrained racism. We fight sexism. We denounce exploitation and the devoting of our lives to someone else’s profit. Unsurprisingly, all of this terrifies some people.

    Muzzie Jihadists must love reading tosh like this.

  141. RealWorld

    Anyone who isn’t a socialist at 20 has no heart , anyone who’s still a socialist at 40 has no brain- Winston Churchill

  142. MarkA

    Makka
    I’m leaving to Vienna in 6 weeks and be in Europe till end of Feb. next year.
    Be happy to post from there inc. pics.
    Be in Irkutsk for a while trying to flog sulphur scrubbers to the Irkutsk Oil Company, they have some real kick ass sour gas there.

  143. Makka

    Well Mark, at least you’ll catch some summer. Enjoy the cheap beer, the lovely girls and shashliks.

  144. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    People visiting for a few weeks doing pleasure cruises are now experts on political and social conditions in Europe.

    If you keep your eyes and ears open then you can collect much useful information and form some views from fairly simple travels. I learned quite a lot from the Moscow Metro. Metros are always good. Then there is the condition of the streets, who is in them, what they’re doing, and when they’re doing it; that can speak volumes, as can the architecture and its upkeep in general. Chatty staff in hotels and restaurants and taxi drivers etc can be genuine sources of local news and gossip. Fellow tourists can tell you tales of experiences that aren’t all bull, and add to the insights. Local TV is always inspiring for the dedicated anthropologist. And that’s before you’ve even started to be introduced to the locals and their lifestyles and concerns.

    Sometimes, Mark, you can be too close to something and blinkered and thus miss things.
    Disparaging what others have seen, even if just dropping in, is arrogant in my book.
    Makka has suggested you offer your expert take; let’s hear it.

  145. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    aha, Mark. I’ve just dropped into the Cat and failed to refresh. See you’ve come down off the high horse.
    Cheers, Lizzie.

  146. MarkA

    Makka
    This is for me.
    According to my late mother it’s the way my great-great grandmother used to make it
    I wouldn’t know but I like it and beer or wine is fine with me I draw a line with spirits some vodochka is OK, but most of them I don’t like, too crude/rough for my taste, I’m a Brandy man. Trouble is I can’t afford the ones I like.

  147. Makka

    The best beer I’ve tasted outside Australia and Japan.

  148. stackja

    Kaiser Germany got Lenin into Russia and so later Russia got Stalin.
    Hitler Germany joined Stalin to start WW2.
    Now Germany wants to do what?

  149. MarkA

    Re. Moskau metro.
    1982 my first visit to the old country and I had my Vile Coyote moment.
    Went on to the Metro and travelled all the way to the end stations. As the train went further and further from the central station there were fewer and fewer passengers and more and more surly looking individuals on the platforms, not interested in boarding.
    When we got to the last stop I asked myself as Vile would “for God’s sake what am I doing here” ? Went to the driver’s cabin and asked if I could travel with him back to central. Cost me bottle. Same as it cost me a bottle to get to the airport in time. We had to stop at the $ shop for the taxi driver to get his booze, he paid for it, money wasn’t a problem availability was. But that was ages ago things changed since.

    Elizabeth,
    Speaking of high horses?
    I never considered being on one but if you think so so be it.
    I dismount as gracefully as I can.

  150. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We – Generations Y and Z – are the first generation in Europe to almost exclusively change the world with hardly any form of violence

    Generation Cup Cake, with no idea of ever being hungry, never been hit, never seen any bloodshed, never suffered any inconvenience in their lives…

    I’m reading Boris Johnson’s book on Winston Churchill – seems pretty apt at the moment.

  151. MarkA

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
    Bit of doing it rough does wonders to your understanding how the real world works.

  152. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Bit of doing it rough does wonders to your understanding how the real world works.

    I’ve just turned 60. My father pioneered “new land” in Western Australia, in the early 1960’s. We went from living in a tent, with no refrigeration, electricity, sanitation or running water, to living in a fibro house with an outside toilet, and two bedrooms for parents and three children.I do try not to laugh when Generation Cup cake assures me of the difficulties of dealing with global warming, racism, social justice and an I – phone that isn’t the latest pattern…

  153. LOL at Cats who think Giles is having a lend. He is dead serious.

  154. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    LOL at Cats who think Giles is having a lend. He is dead serious.

    Makes Giles even more of a self centered, pompous joke, then, doesn’t it Monty.

  155. wreckage

    As early as lunchtime on Friday, Twitter was showing 15,000 retweets of what may come to be the standout mantra for Brexit 2016:

    “I’m never giving up my seat on the train for an old person again.”

    What a whiny, entitled little deadshit.

  156. No member of the boomer generation has a leg to stand in to lecture others about selfishness. The most self-centred generation in history.

  157. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    No member of the boomer generation has a leg to stand in to lecture others about selfishness. The most self-centred generation in history.

    Snork, snork, nyuck, nyuck nyuck. Put up or shut up, Monty.

  158. Makka

    Well we’re lucky your opinion counts for shit then m0nty.

  159. wreckage

    Generation Snowflake can’t obtain voting privileges via the democratic process, because they don’t have the numbers. And they can’t get it long term via generational change because they didn’t bloody have kids, and those that did will likely find their kids won’t vote against their own grandparents. Mine wouldn’t.

    Pointless waste of resources, half my generation.

  160. MarkA

    How true Zulu. But it aint going to change the world or make the young ones understand.
    But I’m ever the optimist, there are enough sensible young people around who will make the difference. This is always true in any society, the problem is, that they will be the ones who toil and pay taxes to support the ever increasing mass of freeloaders.
    Where will it end? Like all civilisations, chaos, disaster and renewal.
    Me and You my friend, we can only hope it will be after our all too soon departure.

  161. wreckage

    Socialism is a boomer disease, m0nty, built on an illusion of ever-ballooning tax revenue that was in fact nothing more than a demographic bump. You owe them your entire worldview. Try to be polite.

  162. twostix

    Post eu our annihilation rootless cosmopolitans decided it was best to sow some generation war to distract people.

    Wakey wakey dumbos.

  163. twostix

    Generational war is what i do when i’m bored.

    Don’t fall for it.

  164. The boomers enjoyed the socialism that their parents provided and would yank it away from their children.

  165. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Well we’re lucky your opinion counts for shit then m0nty.

    Well said, Makka.

    Some of us are still waiting for Monty’s words of wisdom about how guerillas over ran South Viet Nam…

  166. wreckage

    m0nty, your historical ignorance is almost as shriekingly obvious as your economic ignorance.

  167. twostix

    The remnants of the traditional british nation totalling about 70% set aside all differences to ally against the globalist elite and their montyesque loser beta male lackeys ~20% so reducing that number to ~50% and the globalists obedient pet foreign alien shock troops at ~30%.

    Literally saved themselves at the last minute.

  168. twostix

    Consider how close the british people are to being a literal minority power bloc in their own nation.

    It took just 20 years to be within 2% of annihilating a 1000 year old nation because 20% of the population decided they Hated their country men and were going to abolish them.

    Put your running shoes on globalists.

  169. Wreckage, you think boomers invented socialism so shut up about ignorance.

  170. twostix

    Theres a basic set of tests for whether you should consider buying a new set of nikes and carrying them and your passport wherever you go.

    Graduated uni on the last 20 years?
    Read the guardian and agree with what the say?
    Read Reddit often?

    If you tick those three boxes you’re going to have bad time in this new age.

  171. Put your running shoes on globalists.

    Worth putting on a t-shirt.

  172. Howard P

    Giles is dedicated to wind-up. His dad, the editor of Punch magazine, gave his son a thrashing every time he tried to be normal, and post mortem his methods succeeded beyond his wildest expectations. Giles could take the thesis “5 year olds should be enfranchised” and write an equally provocative case in favour. He can – and usually is – irreverently stupid in the way only an English upper class intellectual twit can be. Just as a diversion, I remind readers of his wonderful diatribe again his own TIMES sub editors. Subsequently he wrote a book on anger management.

  173. Snoopy

    Here’s a similar piece from AA Gill, a colleague of Giles at The Times. I recommend it for a laugh. Paywalled unfortunately. I was emailed the text but it is quite long.

  174. Oh come on

    Thatcher vindicated yet again!

    And just imagine it, folks. Trump in the White House and Boris Johnson in Number 10.* It could very well happen. It’ll be the spitting image of the Reagan-Thatcher era, with two leaders fiercely guarding the Free World, fully aware of its inherent moral, military, intellectual and economic superiority over its adversaries. If they get to slay the Blairite soft-fascist monstrosity – which is now doomed regardless – it’d be such a beautiful thing to behold.

    *I don’t think Farage can overcome his years old unfavourability rating to make it to the top, despite his legions of rusted-on supporters

  175. Snoopy

    The boomers enjoyed the socialism that their parents provided and would yank it away from their children.

    Not me Monty. Let the good times roll. Your kids will be happy to pay for it. Please pass on my appreciation.

  176. Oh come on

    Generation Cup Cake, with no idea of ever being hungry, never been hit, never seen any bloodshed, never suffered any inconvenience in their lives…

    To be fair, it’s not their fault. It was the Boomers who learnt at the knees of Alinsky, Gramsci, Foucault and the like. It was the Boomer intellectual left that implemented these philosophies big time and took over the Western world’s faculties and newsrooms en masse. The unemployable 20-something Arts undergrad chanting mindlessly at an “anti-racism rally” (ie. pro-open borders rally, but the Boomer-controlled newsroom prefers “anti-racism” ) is a product of a Boomer education. That generation has stupefied a huge number of those it educates and informs.

    Not having a go at you personally, Zulu. Obviously plenty of Boomers such as yourself are disgusted by all the post-war social engineering that’s destroying civilised society. I think you need to come to terms with the very obvious fact that this effort has been very much a Boomer project. Subsequent generations are suffering as a consequence, even though many amongst them, to their great detriment, support the social revolution that was ushered in and is now carefully managed by the ageing but no less elite Bookers who control the commanding heights of our stultifying culture.

  177. C.L.

    Saw a Cup Cake Genner on the ABC news responding to Brexit.
    When she woke up that morning, she said, it was “like waking to a nightmare.”
    I’m guessing she slept through the London bombings and the Rotherham rape jihad.

  178. iain russell

    Who are these Boomers? Big kangaroos? SSTs? Oh sorry, these people born into post war austerity in GB and OZ. Those who left school starting from 1961 and worked as labourers, living in fibro shacks and scrimping to buy EH Holdens. Lucky bastards. Shitting into tin cans, eating chokoes for dessert. Lucky privileged bastards. If only the slacker generation could have had those comforts and privileges. But in the UK they didn’t vote Montosaurus. Stuck to their devices like the mindless monkeys they are.

  179. Makka

    “Who are these Boomers? Big kangaroos? SSTs? Oh sorry, these people born into post war austerity in GB and OZ. Those who left school starting from 1961 and worked as labourers, living in fibro shacks and scrimping to buy EH Holdens. Lucky bastards. Shitting into tin cans, eating chokoes for dessert. Lucky privileged bastards. If only the slacker generation could have had those comforts and privileges. But in the UK they didn’t vote Montosaurus. Stuck to their devices like the mindless monkeys they are.”

    Then scrimped and saved to put a deposit on a freezing cold and oven hot fibro shack with one bathroom and toilet to raise the family. Where a big night out was going to the drive-in. Worked OT every week so the family could have some new shoes and maybe a holiday at the sea side caravan park over summer. What a privileged existence they have had monster.

    You m0nty, your generation and the cup cakes are the biggest whingeing cry babies ever born into this country. Your life is one big fking moan about this and that. Not prepared to sacrifice for anything. Never had to deal with a recession, the last one visited on us by your Labor slimeball Keating. Harden up m0nty and stop the crying ffs. Nobody cares for whimps.

  180. wreckage

    I didn’t say they invented it or even endorsed it, m0nty. I said it owed its currency almost entirely to an accident of demographics; the Socialist Spendathon could only happen because of massive and climbing tax revenues, built in large part on a single demographic oddity.

    The fact that anyone thought it could continue really demonstrates how little attention people pay to the basic facts.

  181. Mr Anderson

    The letter, signed by 250 of Britain’s top celebs including singer Paloma Faith, 50 Shades of Grey director Sam Taylor-Wood, and 12 Years a Slave star Chiwetel Ejiofor, warned Brexit could undermine the creative arts industry because many projects are supported by cash provided by the EU.

    Says it all, really.

  182. mem

    Brexit could undermine the creative arts industry because many projects are supported by cash provided by the EU.

    Perhaps someone should tell these ingénues that the reason the EU was able to distribute this largess to the arts is because the Brits had already contributed a much larger amount to the EU for “services” rendered by EU bureaucrats. The titbits going to the arts was what was left over after paying for fat cat salaries, flash cars, endless meetings and other associated bells and whistles.

  183. Notafan

    Giles hates old people and he hates fat people.

    Lose of EU subsidies for artists and farmers is the real tragedy here.

    Will no one think of GOT fans?

  184. nerblnob

    I’m leaving to Vienna in 6 weeks and be in Europe till end of Feb. next year.
    Be happy to post from there inc. pics.
    Be in Irkutsk for a while trying to flog sulphur scrubbers to the Irkutsk Oil Company, they have some real kick ass sour gas there

    Good luck with that.

    I’ll be in Krasnoyarsk sometime trying to flog go-faster drilling tools to drillers who don’t want to go faster. And with the ruble worth half what it was last time I was there.

  185. calli

    The science is settled? Giles is serious?

    How sad. A man pushing 50 pretending to be an angry yoof. Not so far from Rik after all.

  186. Dr Faustus

    In the 18-24 group it was 64 per cent to Remain and 24 per cent to Leave. In the 25-49 age group it was 45 per cent to 39. Only in the 50-64 bracket does the balance shift, going over to 49 per cent for Leave, as against 35 for Remain. And then among the over-65s it was an astonishing 58 per cent for Leave, against 33 per cent for Remain.

    Comes down to before-and-after experience of the contrasting costs vs benefits:

    You have to be over ~45 to have any personal adult experience of the 1992 pre-Maastricht Treaty world. Under 40 and you would have missed the tragi-comedic rise of the Eurocrat – and you would be relying on anecdotal evidence of any supposed increase in social/cultural/economic benefit.

    You have to be older than ~55 to have any adult experience of the perverse social/economic effects of the UK’s 1973 accession to the EEC (and in 1979 to the European Parliament).

    Under 35 and voting Remain is not insight, or ‘wisdom’. It’s all you have ever known.

  187. rickw

    No member of the boomer generation has a leg to stand in to lecture others about selfishness. The most self-centred generation in history.

    Monty, you do realise that for the Brit boomers in particular that WWII didn’t end in 1945. I know ones who emigrated to Australia in the 50’s and 60’s. The memorable thing for them? Being able to walk into a shop and buy as much meat as you wanted at rock bottom prices. They did it tough.

  188. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Monty, you do realise that for the Brit boomers in particular that WWII didn’t end in 1945.

    War time rationing didn’t end until 1954.

  189. Louis Hissink

    Month,

    Legs are normally stood on, not in….

  190. gabrianga

    This attack on the “old” was in full swing on SKY UK during the night with the fat “financial guy” discussing the culling of the aged with such worthies as a total snob twat from Chatham House(the one who looked and sounded shellshocked) and a representative of the “people” from Moody’s.

    A “Times” spokesman was to appear later but being so old and fragile I just had my Horlicks and crashed.

  191. Boambee John

    LOL, the pollsters and betting companies might actually have produced the BREXIT outcome.

    Apparently, the under 25s turned out at half the rate (36% vs 72%) as the electorate as a whole, possibly because the poolsters and batting companies said Remain was in the bag. The young, too idle to vote if it wasn’t necessary, didn’t turn up at the polling stations, and Leave won!

  192. Who are these Boomers? Big kangaroos? SSTs? Oh sorry, these people born into post war austerity in GB and OZ. Those who left school starting from 1961 and worked as labourers, living in fibro shacks and scrimping to buy EH Holdens. Lucky bastards. Shitting into tin cans, eating chokoes for dessert. Lucky privileged bastards. If only the slacker generation could have had those comforts and privileges.

    Here we have iain, the Sixth Yorkshireman. Carbon dating required for these attitudes.

  193. Then scrimped and saved to put a deposit on a freezing cold and oven hot fibro shack with one bathroom and toilet to raise the family. Where a big night out was going to the drive-in. Worked OT every week so the family could have some new shoes and maybe a holiday at the sea side caravan park over summer. What a privileged existence they have had monster.

    And here’s Makka, the Seventh Yorkshireman. This is hilarious stuff! You wrinklies should do a vlog where you all talk about how tough you had it in the 60s, plus various lawn care tips. You’d make a mint from ads for erectile dysfunction.

  194. Pat Warnock

    Was this a joke piece? Giles, you are a moron.

  195. calli

    You’re such a yoof, m0nty!

    ?

  196. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    You wrinklies should do a vlog where you all talk about how tough you had it in the 60s, plus various lawn care tips. You’d make a mint from ads for erectile dysfunction.

    You really have no fvcking idea, do you Monty?

  197. I didn’t say they invented it or even endorsed it, m0nty. I said it owed its currency almost entirely to an accident of demographics; the Socialist Spendathon could only happen because of massive and climbing tax revenues, built in large part on a single demographic oddity.

    The fact that anyone thought it could continue really demonstrates how little attention people pay to the basic facts.

    The Greatest Generation instituted socialism for its children, the boomers. Once the boomers came of age and had had their fill of the benefits of socialism, they set about dismantling it for their own children because they didn’t feel like investing in the future. Socialism for me, not for thee, enabled entirely through that demographic bulge so the boomer bloc could always vote itself the lion’s share of benefits. Brexit is one of the boomers’ last gasps, and the croaking message is, “Bugger you lot.”

  198. notafan

    But lots of Brexiters are the disenfranchised poor of northern England, I assume they voted out because the are stupid and xenophobic.

    I’d assume that the middle class ‘boomer’ generation into which I barely scrap into , voted for rational reasons. That the EU bureaucracy have Britian’s best interests at heart is laughable, especually when you consider that Britians make up 12.3% of Europe’s population but only 1.9% of EU employees.

    Love the assumption that people don’t care about their children btw.

  199. Roger

    From The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe:
    Professor Kirke: What do they teach in schools these days?

    How to tuck your penis away, apparently.

  200. RedneckRuss

    Poor little Giles,

    As a 56 yr old who came into work this morning Sunday 7AM opened and washed a car in sub 10 degrees Celsius temperature “build a bloody bridge”. The citizens have spoken get over it princess. You are unworthy as a descendant of those that stood alone in 1940 against all odds. If you were an Australian (which thank the Lord you are not) I say if you reckon you are good enough to take my vote away from me “come and get it”””.

    Sad little boy harden up,

    RussR

  201. Roger

    The Greatest Generation instituted socialism for its children, the boomers.

    Thirty years later they realised their mistake and elected Thatcher & Reagan to rectify it.

  202. Makka

    “You’d make a mint from ads for erectile dysfunction.”

    Didn’t you once mention your wife conceived using IVF m0nty?

  203. Didn’t you once mention your wife conceived using IVF m0nty?

    No.

  204. Makka

    “Didn’t you once mention your wife conceived using IVF m0nty?

    No.”

    Fair enough. Careful of those rakes though. They’ll do more damage than you think, sport.

  205. CR

    Only 36% of 18 to 24 yo rocked up to vote. Lowest turn out of all age groups by a country mile
    The oldies remember rationing and WWII some even the Great War. Their turn out was twice as high. If you can’t be arsed voting I can’t be arsed caring.

  206. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If you can’t be arsed voting I can’t be arsed caring.

    Well said. If you can’t be arsed voting, I can’t be arsed listening to your petulant bawling.

  207. Alabama Mothman

    Let ban all people from voting and let our loving EU make all the decisions and just be slaves.

    That’s what the author is saying.

    If you let unelected elite’s give dictates to your government, your a slave and too stupid to know it.

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