Who should you vote for?

As we come into the final turn, the question of whether you can reform the Liberal Party by inflicting a Labor Government on the country still remains live in some quarters. You can see my squaring off with Jim Allan at Quadrant Online over this very question, with Jim taking the affirmative and I saying as bad as Turnbull is, it would be a strategic error to let Labor in even for a single term if you can stop it.

Anyway, there is this survey you can fill in to help you work things out: Who Should I Vote For?. Even though it comes courtesy of The Sydney Morning Herald, on a sample of one, it seemed pretty reasonable as a guide. I ended up to the south-east of the Libs, that is more to the right and more conservative, so seems to have picked my preferences exactly right. It will also remind you of how many issues there are that will be decided over the coming three years, with border protection only one of many.

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55 Responses to Who should you vote for?

  1. Habib

    Tough choice, Kang or Kodos.

  2. Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker!) Gray

    Another way to punish the Libs for drifting to the middle is to vote Liberal for the lower house, and then vote for the Liberal Democrats, and other small parties, in the Senate!

  3. .

    The LDP’s quiz is still better. The SMH one uses the stupid grid from political compass. Lefties try to pretend libertarians don’t exist. They hate freedom.

  4. MsDolittle

    The LDP’s quiz is still better.

    Yep . , way better. SMH quiz should have had more parties to give perspective. Someone should put the LDP link up again…please.

  5. MsDolittle

    I agree with Steve. If Labor gets in it will make this whole mess even harder to reverse.

  6. stackja

    SMH says I should vote

    Liberal-National Coalition

    But I will vote LNP third or fourth.

  7. As usual, ShakeMyHead.com fails to even mention the Libertarian alternative.

    If their ABC is defunded they won’t be able to buy FauxFacts when it goes into receivership.

  8. Big_Nambas

    They placed me to the right of Genghis Khan, very astute!!

  9. AnneToo

    Interesting. The SMH Poll placed me as firmly Liberal Coalition – which may have been true one upon a time – but the LDP quiz placed me firmly to the right of the LNP. Possibly where the LNP was not too long ago.
    I was a bit despairing about the election. Brexit gave me hope. Maybe, just maybe, the people will speak at this election in a way that can finally be understood.

  10. cuckoo

    Do the same on ABC Vote Compass and you’ll probably ‘discover’ you’re a dreadlocked, nose-pierced Deep Green voter called Nigel Windchime currently chained to a tree somewhere in Tasmania.

  11. I am not going to vote for any major party in this election.

    At all.

    The candidates for Fremantle are disgraceful and I can’t vote for any of them. So that’s easy – felt-tipped pen time.

    The Senate is another matter – a rich field with possibilities from which to choose my 12 below the line, none of whom come from a major party.

    I’m not even going to choose them last. I’m not going to choose them at all.

  12. The big question for the Reps ballot paper is: what part of the human anatomy should I draw?

    Or what written message should I convey to the scrutineers?

    All suggestions gratefully received, but do bear in mind that this year, drawings of penises will be counted as Greens votes.

  13. John Michelmore

    The SMH quiz tells me I should vote LNC, wrong!

  14. Tintarella di Luna

    Well that’s how useless polls are because they said I would be voting for the Liberal National Party and i most certainly won’t be

  15. Myrddin Seren

    Can’t believe the SMH of all Left captured media outlets opens the quiz with the queerphobic binary choice of whether one is male or female.

    I hope Lefty tears and outrage are pouring down on Ben Cubby for his microaggression and failure to create a safe SMH space by not allowing the 50+ gender options that Spacechook does.

    /Snark off

  16. Tintarella di Luna

    All suggestions gratefully received, but do bear in mind that this year, drawings of penises will be counted as Greens votes.

    What about asses is that a Green vote too?

  17. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Philippa, the two major parties make a fair approximation of a pair of boobs. Tinta’s suggestion for the Greens is also apt.

  18. Hmmm, I like the thought of a bottom, giving the bum’s rush to the Representatives. I think it’s only penises that get counted as Greens votes.

    Any text to go with the drawing? I am thinking of a scathing ‘If this is your idea of a field of candidates, you are seriously deluded.’

    Or perhaps ‘Tell Mark Textor that I DO MATTER’.

  19. Bruce in WA

    Hehehehehehehe …

    Bottom right-hand corner 😀

  20. Nelson Kidd-Players

    I’d love to see Bill Leak’s ballot paper after he’s done.

  21. BelaBartok

    Bottom Right.

    I want to add a new box ‘I am totally unrepresented in this election’ but think all parties would try and claim the vote.

  22. Baldrick

    Because ‘I don’t matter’ to the Liberal Party, they can go and get jolly well stuffed with the rough end of a pineapple.

    Fuck Turdbull and his bunch of 54 quislings. They’ll get nothing from me.

  23. Anne

    I agree with Steve.

    I do too. Steve Kates’ analysis is always spot on.

    Be circumspect and vigilant on Saturday.

    Concentrations of Infidels engaging in Democracy would be attractive targets for hungry Muslims en route to paradise. Ramadan doesn’t end till Tuesday.

    Not that anyone is safe at anytime while devout and obedient muslims live among us.

    To quote William Gladstone, “As long as there is this book [Quran] there will be no peace in the world.”

  24. JC

    Be circumspect and vigilant on Saturday.

    Concentrations of Infidels engaging in Democracy would be attractive targets for hungry Muslims en route to paradise. Ramadan doesn’t end till Tuesday.

    Annie, that’s the reason I love you so much. You’re absolutely stark raving mad. Totally off the planet bonkers.

  25. AP

    You are not thinking two steps ahead my friend. Shortone is from the “right” of the Labor party – whatever that means. If he loses this election, to Turncoat, there is every chance he will be replaced by Tania, Anthony or someone from the “left” of the Labor Party. We know for sure Mao Turncoat will lose in 2019.

    Therefore, after having steered the country so far to the left during his next term of office, the country will virtually be indistinguishable from Venezuela after Tanya or Albanese have finished with it in 2022 or 2025. Will we even still have elections in 2025, under a government lead by Tanya?

  26. Louis Hissink

    I finished the quiz and purposely had no opinion on the political personalities, and the quiz still concluded I was extreme conservative 4.5 in 12 hour clock quadrant. Meh!

  27. Tim Neilson

    I’m with AP. The only patriotic thing to do this election is make it clear on your HoR ballot that you’re not voting Coalition because the Termite has steered them so far left, and make sure that your Senate ballot isn’t sullied with any numbers next to the names of any Termite supporters. I won’t be punching the air with my fist if Peanut Head becomes PM, but there will be an upside if what remains of the Coalition gets the message.

  28. tgs

    https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    A much better quiz that allows more nuance when answering questions and actually admits the existance of parties outside of Lib, ALP and Green.

    Also, I think James got the better of you there Steve. Electing Turnbull again will more than likely shift the Overton window left. If the libs regain their spine in opposition they might be able to prevent this (with the help of some of the more intelligent and courage minor party candidates).

    I can’t bring myself to vote for any of the HoR candidates in my electorate of Wentworth, it’s an absolute joke. First time voting informal in any election I’ve ever participated in.

  29. I can’t bring myself to vote for any of the HoR candidates in my electorate of Wentworth, it’s an absolute joke. First time voting informal in any election I’ve ever participated in.

    Not my first time voting informal, but it’s been a LONG TIME since I’ve faced a field of local candidates this bad.

    And in Fremantle, too, which is proverbial for bad candidates, being a safe Labor seat where a cabbage with brain damage could run as the ALP candidate and still be elected on Greens preferences.

    (And probably made a member of the Cabinet after an ALP victory).

  30. *No offence to anyone on the Cat who currently identifies as a cabbage with brain damage, or is related to a cabbage with brain damage. The Cat is a safe space for vegetables of all kinds, and with all degrees of cognitive difference.

  31. Gertrude

    That’s enough to bring a tear to potato eyes everywhere, Philippa.

  32. That’s enough to bring a tear to potato eyes everywhere, Philippa.

    I pride myself on my inclusivivivivity.

  33. Anne

    Annie, that’s the reason I love you so much. You’re absolutely stark raving mad.

    You save that sugar for your coffee, JC.

    Be careful out there. 😉

  34. Harald

    Haven’t quite figured out yet whether on the HoR ballot I will be drawing pictures, or hand in an actual vote. The options are pretty atrocious.
    A Whitlam-Lab dinosaur.
    A standard issue Green.
    An independent who “supports the UN Goals for 2030 for sustainable development and a much fairer world”.
    And a Lib who did not support reform of s18C, voted to abolish the debt limit, defended PPL and echoed that “the debt levy is not a tax”.

    *gag*

  35. .

    tgs
    #2073134, posted on June 29, 2016 at 3:54 pm
    https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    Yeah that is better. Obviously written by one of our LDP congeners though.

  36. Marcus

    You are not thinking two steps ahead my friend. Shortone is from the “right” of the Labor party – whatever that means. If he loses this election, to Turncoat, there is every chance he will be replaced by Tania, Anthony or someone from the “left” of the Labor Party. We know for sure Mao Turncoat will lose in 2019.

    Therefore, after having steered the country so far to the left during his next term of office, the country will virtually be indistinguishable from Venezuela after Tanya or Albanese have finished with it in 2022 or 2025. Will we even still have elections in 2025, under a government lead by Tanya?

    Meh. Martin Ferguson was in the Left faction and he was by far the most reasonable member of the Rudd/Gillard government. I think the whole Labor Right/Socialist Left divide is just red meat for the Peter Van Onselens in the media, with no real difference in policy (except maybe on boats, but that’s pretty shaky anyway) and no greater meaning than if Albo, Shorten or whoever else ticked a “Left” or “Right” box on their membership forms when they joined up.

    It’s a little like the Babylon 5 episode where those aliens would have a civil war every few years, with the sides based on pulling green or purple rags out of a barrel.

  37. Ross B

    Who to vote for?

    Easy – MV’s WDM party in the house, proudly emblazoned across the top of the ballot and a mix of ALA, NAT, Jim Molan, and LDP in the unrepresentative swill department.

  38. Eddystone

    https://australia.isidewith.com/political-quiz

    That quiz contains a wrong answer.

    Family First does not support banning the importation of the Adler shotgun.

    I have let FF know about this previously.

    Crime

    Most Important

    Should the government ban the import of the Adler A110 lever-action shotgun? stats Discuss

    Family First: Yes

    You: No

  39. H B Bear

    An actual cabbage could win Fremantle for the ALP. The only problem would be trying to keep it going for a full term.

    Who would have thought that a communist from the MUA would have an assault charge on the CV?

  40. Tekweni

    I too landed up far down in the bottom right hand corner. And I thought I was a centre right voter!

  41. Roger

    …it would be a strategic error to let Labor in even for a single term if you can stop it.

    That’s putting it mildly.

  42. M Ryutin

    Philippa Martyr June 29, 2016 at 1:39 pm
    Or what written message should I convey to the scrutineers?

    I am in a safe ALP seat and only “[1] #Never Turnbull” will get written on my Reps ballot paper. Senate is below the line (as always) with ALA and Jim Molan being in it but the last of my 12 will be Whacka Williams o the Nats so that that one will count just in case of a total disaster and where a worthy man might be at risk.

  43. M Ryutin

    I should say that none of the Libs Lobbyist-Central puppets of NSW will get a vote from me apart from Jim Molan

  44. Rabz

    Posted this on the O/T but it’s probably better placed here:

    On Saturday I’ll be numbering two boxes below the line in the senate (ACT has two senators only) for the most conservative lot can find (probably FF) and voting informal in the lower house via the “Textor Challenge” – I live in one of the safest labor seats in the country. By voting informal, neither the libs nor labor (let alone the greenfilth) receive any endorsement from me, nor do they get the cash for the vote cast.

    If you don’t want to vote liberal and quite rightly refuse to vote for those labor and greenfilth morons, just vote informal. Your vote does not exhaust in the lower house (unlike, for example, in NSW elections), a lesson I learned the hard way in 2010, after discovering that I had voted for Albansleazey, due to neglecting to vote informal. So think very carefully about your lower house vote and who it may end up with.

    Otherwise, just stop encouraging them, people.

  45. and voting informal in the lower house via the “Textor Challenge” – I live in one of the safest labor seats in the country. By voting informal, neither the libs nor labor (let alone the greenfilth) receive any endorsement from me, nor do they get the cash for the vote cast.

    Me too.

    And me too.

    (Felt tip pens have been issued to the entire Martyr household, actually.)

  46. An actual cabbage could win Fremantle for the ALP. The only problem would be trying to keep it going for a full term.

    It’s never held back any of the previous incumbents.

    Who would have thought that a communist from the MUA would have an assault charge on the CV?

    Who would have thought that this would be HELD AGAINST HIM? I believe his account – he said he told them, and they said that it was a long time ago and it wouldn’t be held against him.

    Obviously they forgot to tell him the next bit, which was ‘… until it IS held against you, which will be when we decide that it’s in our interest to replace you as ALP candidate with a younger, more photogenic gay man.’

  47. H B Bear

    I believe his account – he said he told them, and they said that it was a long time ago and it wouldn’t be held against him.

    I’m sure you are right. The ALP is no place to take anyone at their word. Nor the Libs either.

  48. dianeh

    I will vote ALA in the HOR with Libs next. Im in a safe seat and want a valid vote to ensure that my $3 or whatever it is, goes to ALA if they get a large enough percentage. Below the line in the senate for minor parties. ALA is the only minor party in my electorate and they do have a good candidate.

  49. Nelson Kidd-Players

    Just voted. The pre-poll centre in Mulgrave featured both the Liberal and ALP candidates in person, along with another Liberal in the pole position outside the front door and a pro-CFA sidekick on the other side. The Greens had a HTV lady also. (Can’t recall the others – HTV souvenirs are in my car.)

    As planned, voted WeDoMatter in the HoR (forgot my Textor, though; had to go with the slightly blunt pencil 🙁 ) and went below the line in the senate with my cheat sheet. Broadly went for FF, Christians, Fred Nile, RUP, LDP, SFF, ALA, MFP, a gaggle of Custard-like independents*, ACP, PON, AMEP, DLP, Mature, Nats, James Patterson and the Flux to bring up the tail. Lots of fun with the table cloth! I endedup with 37 numbers below the line before i could hold my nose no longer.

    When the final details of the senate vote come out I expect to see my vote cascading though the rounds! 🙂

  50. Nelson Kidd-Players

    * for the independants found a site reviewing them from a leftie perspective, but his comments were enough for me to include four i was happy with.

  51. .

    Does anyone have any pro-liberty essays prepared? I’m going to abuse the ballot box with wisdom and website addresses.

  52. Tim Neilson

    Rabz
    #2073721, posted on June 30, 2016 at 9:04 am
    Rabz, someone posted that in the ACT you still have to number 12 candidates for 2 spots. I don’t know, but I wouldn’t rule out that that level of incompetence was embedded in the rules. So if you want to cast a valid vote, check the rules carefully. (It’s conceivable that the voting instructions will correctly describe the rules.)

  53. Nelson Kidd-Players

    The bloke/blokette handing you the ballot papers has the spiel about how to vote all ready to go. You shall not get the paper until you have heard it.

  54. Rabz

    Tim – I’m not doing it. Numbering 12 boxes below the line is a sure fire way to ensure my vote goes exactly where I did not want it to.

    Two senators, two numbered boxes. That’s it.

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