Election 2016 Forum

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  1. Nic

    Anne, thanks for that. At some stage a Government will want to work with her and will offer concessions of some sort. If she maintains that policy, the debate alone will be interesting. She’s going to cop it no matter what she does, thus she may as well give it both barrels.

  2. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    The rampant idiocy at Katterlaxy became too much to bear.

  3. Grigory M

    “All we have ever considered is making the back office functions more efficient so we can save taxpayers money… YOUR MONEY. Bill Shorten is running a protection racket for the public sector unions. It is your choice … do you want clerks or more CT scanners? Do you want paper shufflers or pathology?”

    Sure, but that isn’t what they were doing. Ever since the first Medibank was introduced, the Libs have been intent on the destruction of any universal health care arrangements. Malcolm Fraser made the first moves towards that end,but his efforts were thwarted by the Hawke Government’s introduction of Medicare. It has been a continuing obsession with the Libs ever since, and they have made many further attempts to undermine and wind back Medicare, most recently with their proposal to privatize the payments system. The Opposition was right to highlight it during the recent election campaign.

  4. Anne

    Your logo can be a worn pair of Dunlop Volleys.

    Lol. Thongs, surely.

  5. 132andBush

    2nd lowest labor primary vote ever.

    All manor of issues to use as ammo.

    20+ seat buffer.

    A more friendly media than Abbott could ever dream of.

    Up against BILL SHORTEN!!

    And Turnbull and the 54 still fuck it up.

    It’s mind numbing but was always going to happen.

  6. Rasputin

    Just a couple of observations if I may?
    If those who are giving away seats would care to look at the AEC website, they would find that in many of the undecided the coalition is ahead. Leaving out the expectation of a liberal bias in the pre and postal polls it is still safe to assume that the same pattern will be repeated in these so who’s ahead will stay that way. A winner only needs one more vote than a loser after all!
    The other thing I note is that Turdball will form his government without rancor. WTF?? He’s now turning his other cheeks to Shorten who will give another demo of the Old Colonist’s Association method of political prowess! Surely that is what was always wrong with this pseudo silver tail who knows nothing of street etiquette?

  7. Lurker

    Does anyone know if , in the event MT needs to form a minority government to stay in power and fails to do so, that would make his government the first federal government in Australia’s history not to be returned to power for a second term? If so, and MT makes history in this regard, that would be Karma indeed. At least, Gillard managed to form a minority government in the second term. And she inherited a smaller majority from Rudd than MT did from Abbott.

  8. Fleeced

    Just put on Sky News, and there’s a couple vaginas waffling about nonsense… We really shouldn’t have given women the vote.

  9. Rabz

    Abbott looks down the barrel of the camera, flanked by a dozen flags, Dutton looking on glumly and wishing he could belt the bejesus out of some feral with his baton, and Abbott launches into full-on fear, knowing that it’s all bullshit, straight from Textor and the focus group.

    LOL – who left the doors of the insane asylum unlocked?

  10. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Fleeced at 7:50 pm:

    If Deadman hadn’t quit this blog in disgust he could tell you all about registering “Informal” as a party name.

    Hey, what happened to Deadman?”

    I think you will find he “quit this blog in disgust”, that’s what happened.

    Who is Deadman? … I’ve never heard of him. No, no – don’t answer because I don’t care.

  11. Tom

    The rampant idiocy at Katterlaxy became too much to bear.

    If you don’t like it, fuck off, smartrarse.

  12. Fleeced

    The rampant idiocy at Katterlaxy became too much to bear.

    Well, the Cats may have got their wish in getting rid of the only libertarian from the senate. Still holding out hope, but it’s down to below the line votes and manual preference flows for David Leyonhjelm.

  13. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Good to see you not even pretending any more Grig.

  14. Beef

    The rampant idiocy at Katterlaxy became too much to bear.

    A tragic outcome. I hope his son has a case for bullying at school.

  15. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Well, the Cats may have got their wish in getting rid of the only libertarian from the senate. Still holding out hope, but it’s down to below the line votes and manual preference flows for David Leyonhjelm.

    Turnbull managed to remove the only two decent Senators.

    What an horrible c-nut of a man he is.

  16. Geriatric Mayfly

    Put this on the other thread this morning, but as most Cats are here, and in need of light relief from matters of great pitch and moment, I tender it again.
    July 3 1962
    Set to and cleaned the flat, which left me feeling virtuous. Went to the butcher for a steak for my lunch. He said to me, “I think you’re a bit of prime meself, there you are – four & sixpence my angel…” I giggled & felt like a high school girl. It was nice. Kenneth Williams.

  17. Grigory M

    Pretending about what, Infantile? Quite a while ago now I made public my involvement in the introduction of and support for Medicare. Maybe if was while you were off licking the wounds inflicted on you by one of the Cat girls.

  18. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Shut up, Grig. Aren’t there some backpackers or sex workers you should be murdering?

  19. bystander

    1234
    #2078815, posted on July 3, 2016 at 6:30 pm

    I use 1234 because I know I have to keep it simple for you myself.

  20. .

    Deadman’s Twatter is good.

  21. Motelier

    Quite a while ago now I made public my involvement in the introduction of and support for Medicare.

    Obviously you are not in the same league as the inventor of the internet, Al Gore.

  22. I am the Walras, Equilibrate, and Price-Take

    Nic
    #2078884, posted on July 3, 2016 at 7:34 pm
    Hanson campaigned on the basis of Royal Commission into Islam being created. If that ever happened it would be popcorn time.

    Some light entertainment while the country circles the drain.

    The rampant idiocy at Katterlaxy became too much to bear.

    Jesus wept. Just scroll past the nitwits you don’t like. It’s not hard. There’s much more good stuff here than poor.

    If you don’t like it, fuck off, smartrarse.

    LOL. I’m with you Tom, but had to laugh at that one.

  23. Boambee John

    m0nty at 1737 and other,

    Are you familiar with some of the telephone scams around? The ATO warrant out for your arrest one is similar in some ways to the Medicare one.

    Fairly obviously they work or the scamsters would give up.

    The Medicare scam almost looks like a copy of the ATO one.

  24. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Hey Tom, remember when you were saying how great the Senate reforms were and I had to correct you?

    By the way, how are those Senate reforms working out for you?

  25. Jessie

    Anne at 10.14

    John Pasquerelli on politician’s rorts (their superannuation)
    Super Rort: Speech for Wood Peckers 1999

  26. Tel

    I’m pretty happy with the new Senate voting. Might be time they just leave it alone for a while and stop changing it all the time. If the Informal Party gets a few more votes, that’s probably from people who haven’t spent a whole lot of time studying who to vote for anyhow.

  27. Tom

    IT, the destruction of the Senate has nothing to do with what is happening now. A bunch of anti-democratic Alinskyists have hijacked the joint. Trust the left to undermine one of the pillars of freedom: the totalitarian scum have worked out they can make democracy unworkable by destroying the intention of the Senate as a house of review and turning it into the House of Gerrymander to block absolutely everything.

    The left is the dark heart of everything that is evil in the human spirit. As you have advised in the past, the left must be destroyed for human life to continue in anything other than a repressive gulag.

  28. Leo G

    I had to laugh. Bolt is introduced here as “Right Wing Extremist Andrew Bolt”.

    Bolt’s more of a wry twinge esteemist.

  29. Beef

    A half senate election next rodeo. Who/how are these people chosen? Senate reform will take a couple of cycles to see it’s ultimate result, but I like predicting like everyone and it will dilute the minor vote, giving the winner of an election a workable mandate.

    Soooo, the Senate will be irrelevant. A house of Lords all drinking Cognac and discussing stuff.

  30. Drink Up Socrates

    I ran a booth on Satd’y night. First time ever. No quals, just a sense of guilt whenever I voted and observed (what I thought to be volunteers) working like maniacs, while I stood in the queue bitching. I volunteered – didn’t realise that there was risible pay involved.
    Overall, it was a positive experience, even though I was out of my depth compared to the people that I was supposedly leading.
    There were glitches and whinges, but given the exposed enormity of the whole exercise – it was an amazing effort.
    Of course, you have to recognise that the AEC successfully attributes all of its risk to the day labourers whilst they sit on the end of the phone and demand ” at your last report it was 13,254 to Jones, the computer is now saying 13, 255 – you must do a recount”, or, far more critically for our continuing democracy, ” your packaging of the returned biros was not compliant; you must come to HQ and repackage them”.
    The people were fantastic, grinding out the work for 16 hours, no bitches, the odd walk to recover, huge support for people who could not achieve a balance, forcing obviously flagging colleagues to take breaks… and so on. A humbling experience.
    At 11 pm we were having trouble with the senate nightmare and could not get a balance (that is 11pm after a 6:30 start), we told the staff to go home – they refused. When the AEC HQ discovered that we were dealing with twice the number of voters forecast and could not deal with the reconciliation, a couple of them actually turned-up; helped out and took it all away by 1 am.
    I do not know what to think about this – I expected it to be like personing the church cake stall (before Gillard banned cake stalls) . I would not have survived without my 2IC who has been engaging in this insanity since Gough and should have been my boss. A true Oz of the ABC despised nature, she is deserting her annual half QLD / half Vic lifestyle to return to Vic to fight Andrews on behalf of her beloved CFA.
    What it all did demonstrate is that Australians (including happy voters) are many times greater that the sum of the elite; are much more self confident than the Cat would suppose; want to be nice folks – AND, despite elitists like Cats etc; know shit from clay and how to screw elites.
    Won’t do it again- wheeeeel perhaps, but it was certainly renewing and renewed my love affair with non-elite Oz.

  31. Tom

    Won’t do it again- wheeeeel perhaps, but it was certainly renewing and renewed my love affair with non-elite Oz.

    Great post, Socrates!

  32. Nic

    What it all did demonstrate is that Australians (including happy voters) are many times greater that the sum of the elite

    Latham is the only one I know who has spoken about the inner city/media nexus that is separate from that of average Australia. It’s the average Australians who are voting for people like Hanson. It would be prudent of any government to engage with such a group. Better that than fellating the Greens.

  33. Beef

    Bolt about to tell us what he reeeeally thinks.

  34. Beef

    Drink Up Socrates
    #2078977, posted on July 3, 2016 at 8:49 pm

    Agree here Tom. Great post, Socrates!

  35. Pedro the Ignorant

    Great post, Socrates!

    Hear, hear!

  36. Nic

    Paul Murray worth watching tonight.

  37. Old School Conservative

    Socrates, is the long day the reason why vote counting doesn’t take place on Sunday and Monday?

  38. Fleeced

    Jacqui Lambie will be happy… she loves a well-hung parliament.

  39. Fleeced

    Katter wants industry protection. News at 11.

  40. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Katter is off his tits. Latham no better.

  41. Fleeced

    Katter didn’t sound well. Could just be a bad connection, or maybe he’s just tired, but he’s past it. Meanwhile, Latham goes on an anti-gun rant.

  42. Arky

    Next person on the blog to pull out the “Jacky Lambie – hung parliament” joke is getting a red card from Arky.

  43. Beef

    Latham thinks were all homicidal cab driver abusers.

  44. Fleeced

    Bolt is right. Xen and Katter want protection and industry handouts. They’ll get it.

  45. Fleeced

    Next person on the blog to pull out the “Jacky Lambie – hung parliament” joke is getting a red card from Arky.

    Well hung parliament, Arky. Well hung.

    And it’s Jacqui.

  46. Beef

    Katter wants everyone to have guns for the coming Indonesian invasion.
    I’m not sure if it’s part of a 10 year type plan.

  47. Megan

    Thank you Socrates, my cynicism about the whole goat rodeo was rising every moment today when I heard the ridiculous nonsense being spouted by the Usurper who is a long, long way up a river in Egypt in a barbed wire canoe. You have restored my equilibrium.

  48. Fleeced

    OK Arky, how about this one:

    “History will remember this election for one thing. They were the voters which broke this prime minister’s heart.” — Malcolm Turnbull

  49. Habib

    So now it looks like the great orator is going to have to blow Katter, one or two Xenomorphs and Wee Willie Wilkie just to keep the Lodge keys. What sort of gerbil ever thought this dull lightweight could win an election? He might just get over the line in a bore-a-thon. Then he’s got to deal with an incontinent menagerie in the senate. Seeing he has as much ticker as a stopped clock I can’t see him lasting. Off to “spend more time with the family”. They probably deserve no better.

    Meanwhile Lightbulb Head has kippered himself, blandly guaranteeing he would not hoover the Greens to form government; if he wants the gig he’s got no choice, and will make him as big a pathological fabricator as Mme Vuvulzela. And he probably won’t be able to meet their demand anyway with the way the senate’s looking.

    Can wait to see if fearless leader can innovate his way out of this clusterfuck.

  50. Megan

    And thanks for the link to Deadman’s twittering. Erudite and intelligent…he’s out of their league.

  51. And it’s Jacqui.

    Do you not hear the dog whistle in a phrase used to describe Aborigines, Fleeced? Seems straightforward.

  52. hzhouswife

    Socrates, thank you for doing your thing on Saturday, unsung contributors like you and the CFA folk, and the SES, keep our country livable. The way unions want to come in and interfere in volunteerism is sad and destructive imho.

  53. hzhouswife

    Katter wants everyone to have guns for the coming Indonesian invasion.
    I’m not sure if it’s part of a 10 year type plan.

    lol, that’s what I thought the out of control populations of crocs were for up north !

  54. Arky

    Going to bed.
    You all have fourteen hours while I sleep in, to make as many jokes about Jacky, having ‘an erection”, “well hung”, “Maps of Tasmania”, whatever.

  55. Fleeced

    We start talking about Jacqui, and Arky’s response?

    “I’ll be in my bunk!”

  56. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Fleeced at 9:17 pm:

    ” Next person on the blog to pull out the “Jacky Lambie – hung parliament” joke is getting a red card from Arky.

    Well hung parliament, Arky. Well hung.

    And it’s Jacqui.”

    Noooo – Jacqui Jacqui.

  57. Menai Pete

    So now it looks like the great orator is going to have to blow Katter, one or two Xenomorphs and Wee Willie Wilkie just to keep the Lodge keys.

    There’s a fly in the election ointment that everyone seems to have overlooked.
    The National Party is a separate entity from the Liberal Party. It went into the election with nine seats and finished with nine seats and a plus 0.7% swing.
    The LNP (the Qld party, not the coalition) exists as an amalgamation of Liberals and Nationals in Queensland, but many of its members identify as National Party when they split into party rooms – the Qld LNP lost only 4 seats out of the 22 they had going into the election. All of the other lost seats were Liberal Party seats.
    The Nationals did not like the Turnbull coup and demanded changes to their agreement with the Liberal Party after it happened.
    Turnbull arrogantly usurped the Nationals’ separate identity by running with the Turnbull Coalition logo at the start of the campaign, but quickly changed it to the Turnbull Liberal Team after complaints from the Nationals.
    After this debacle, will The Nationals and the National Party element of the Qld LNP tolerate Turnbull as PM? I think not. They could, if they wish, withdraw from their coalition agreement and leave Turnbull out in the cold or use that threat to demand that he step down and be replaced by a new leader who can go to the Governor General to be sworn in as PM.

  58. Sean

    I wonder if Abbott666 is still talking about how Turnbull was trying to get elected off ‘his agenda’

  59. Andrew

    I’ve encouraged anyone who went to bed and missed Comical Ali’s victory speech to catch it on Sky. Brilliant political satire. Launch your campaign at 00:03 the day after the election, laying out your platform, blasting your opponents, clearly denouncing their lies. Then move to no just claiming victory, but actually a majority govt as the tanks roll in the background. It’s classic TV.

  60. Habib

    Barnacle’s already pledged his support, he’s turned into a complete pussy since getting the party leadership. Opening wind farms FFS. If it was me I’d be giving it to the Liberals hard, without lube, and getting everything I want or it’s byebye coalition; we’ll guarantee supply as long as you don’t fuck up, and nothing else. Every policy is up for review and negotiation. I used to think he had some mongrel but he’s turned out to be yet another that sits down to piss.

  61. Nic

    Andrew, Murray has just shown footage of Turnbull waiting for his car. That and the speech tell us all we need to know at this stage.

  62. Snoopy

    Do you not hear the dog whistle in a phrase used to describe Aborigines, Fleeced? Seems straightforward.

    Monty, you are apparently very receptive to dog whistles. Why is that?

  63. stackja

    2CH Kel Richards says homosexual marriage was a factor in both parties not getting a quick majority.

  64. Andrew

    Speaking of glorious victories, who is the LDP’s Textor who came up with the tactic of pissing on your base (who Don’t Matter) and targeting inner city Regressives from the Greens? How’s all that preferencing Labor, voting for Triggs, aligning with JLN, and SSM single issue posturing working out?

  65. Beef

    2CH Kel Richards says homosexual marriage was a factor in both parties not getting a quick majority.

    At the risk of being trite… well he would say that wouldn’t he.

  66. Aaron

    The National Party is a separate entity from the Liberal Party. It went into the election with nine seats and finished with nine seats and a plus 0.7% swing.

    I’m curious to see what happens with the composition of the Cabinet and ministry. I think the Nationals are entitled to a certain number of ministries based on how many seats they win in comparison to the Liberals (hence Ian Macfarlane’s thwarted move before the election). With the Nats picking up Murray and only losing Flynn and possibly Capricornia, they may well feel they are entitled to an extra cabinet seat since the numbers of Liberal MPs have been decimated thanks to Malcolm’s communication skills.

  67. stackja

    Beef
    #2079047, posted on July 3, 2016 at 9:49 pm
    2CH Kel Richards says homosexual marriage was a factor in both parties not getting a quick majority.

    At the risk of being trite… well he would say that wouldn’t he.

    And? You support homosexual marriage?

  68. .

    Andrew – “voting for Triggs” – um?

    Leyonhjelm did not vote.

  69. Ripper

    The National Party is a separate entity from the Liberal Party. It went into the election with nine seats and finished with nine seats and a plus 0.7% swing.

    They will have 10 if they hold Cowper.

    http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDivisionPage-20499-113.htm

  70. strange

    Hzhousewife writes – Socrates, thank you for doing your thing on Saturday, unsung contributors like you and the CFA folk, and the SES, keep our country livable. The way unions want to come in and interfere in volunteerism is sad and destructive imho.
    Indeed, bravo Socrates. But AEC staff are not volunteers, they are paid, albeit not well.

  71. Beef

    And? You support homosexual marriage?

    I think, being homosexual, Kel Richards would say he thinks it was a big issue with the populace. What I think of Gay Marriage is irrelevant. I make few posts on the topic and intend at present to keep it as such.

  72. Monty, you are apparently very receptive to dog whistles. Why is that?

    Extensive exposure to wingnut blogs.

  73. stackja

    Beef
    #2079054, posted on July 3, 2016 at 9:58 pm
    And? You support homosexual marriage?

    I think, being homosexual, Kel Richards would say he thinks it was a big issue with the populace. What I think of Gay Marriage is irrelevant. I make few posts on the topic and intend at present to keep it as such.

    Kel a homosexual?

  74. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    “I expected it to be like personing the church cake stall”

    Well now, isn’t that a fine example of just how tortured and contorted and clumsy our betters have directed common language must be. I suppose they’ve banned the kiddies from using the perfectly and readily understandable “manning” so as to have girlses feel better about themselves. What a monumental crock.

  75. calli

    Kel? Huh? I think you have your Kels crossed, Beef.

  76. Beef

    May have Calli. stackja
    Isn’t he the word guy who goes on the ABC and tells us the meaning of a word. Sometime host and bit player at 2GB. If so, I swear I heard him give very strong allusions to the fact.

    Apologies if I miss heard and am spreading scuttlebutt.

  77. Habib

    That pillock Oakeshott may not be as synaptically challenged as we all assumed, he’s going to trouser near 80 gorillas of our loot for doing fuck-all for eight weeks. Nice work if you can fet it, Hanson’s been on this grift for a decade or so, she’s probably pissed off she won, and has to do some actual yakka for her sling. Not that it’s actually strenuous, or productive.

  78. cynical1

    Laurie Oakes is a twat.

    “The fear of foreigners played a part”.

    What is it about saying”Militant Islam” or “Radical Islam”, that makes it verboten for these softcocks?

  79. da

    Overheard today: two Sudanese women in the queue to vote. One says she has no idea who to support, this voting thing is a new experience. The other pulls out her phone and tells her about the Libs taking down medicare. Shows her the message. You guessed it.

  80. cynical1

    60Mins is a fucking disgrace.

    We now have Sir Geoffrey of Sydney telling us about racist little Britain and Brexit being non-binding.

    Fuck of back to Balmain and take that Lette slapper with you.

    We have had enough of pompous twats for one weekend.

  81. Habib

    Why does that pair of insufferable bores still get airtime? Who gives a shit what either of them think about any issue whatsoever?

  82. Yohan

    NXT seat’s of Mayo and Grey, and McGowan’s seat of Indi – all 3 are nominally conservative rural electorates. But the chances of them forming government with the Liberals is zero.

    This is Windsor and Oakshott all over again. But unfortunately for the Liberals, this time Labor does not have the ginger marxist in charge to fuck it all up.

  83. James

    Nick C just belled the cat on Paul Murray.

    The libs and the commenters here are foing to have to realise that the argument for smaller government has been lost.

    You can argue about how it was lost, but it was lost.

  84. Andreas

    This is Windsor and Oakshott all over again. But unfortunately for the Liberals, this time Labor does not have the ginger marxist in charge to fuck it all up.

    The veins of incompetence in the Labor party are rich and deep.

  85. Mayan

    Nick C just belled the cat on Paul Murray.

    If you believed the comments on The Cat, ALA would have several senators. It has none.

    The truth is that neither socialism/communism nor conservatism are popular. Anyone clinging to notions of ideological purity is out of luck. Australians are a rather pragmatic people; we don’t do ideology, much to the annoyance Teh Levt and Teh Roight.

  86. James

    Just saw Latham praising Pauline Hanson as a true patriot.

    Am I awake?

  87. Habib

    Do rent-seeking a treat though. Australia has more parasites than a Bangladeshi’s duodenum.

  88. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Nick C just belled the cat on Paul Murray.

    The libs and the commenters here are foing to have to realise that the argument for smaller government has been lost.

    You can argue about how it was lost, but it was lost.

    It was lost in 1901.

    We are just trying to limit the damage.

  89. Caveman

    Just saw Latham praising Pauline Hanson as a true patriot.

    Am I awake?

    Yes. Good on him.

  90. Helen

    I thought this was someone’s wifey who heard it – JC?

    da
    #2079068, posted on July 3, 2016 at 10:21 pm

    Overheard today: two Sudanese women in the queue to vote. One says she has no idea who to support, this voting thing is a new experience. The other pulls out her phone and tells her about the Libs taking down medicare. Shows her the message. You guessed it.

  91. Andrew

    I see Grigory hasn’t been able to control his inner SLF, and it’s come bursting out like that alien out of Sigourney Weaver.

    WTF is wrong with at least examining whether in 30 years the banks (who do payment systems for a living) might have developed something better than the PS drones in the Medicare back office? And why this is a bad thing? And why this has anything to do with “privatising Medicare”? And why that is a bad thing? And why a hypothetical payment system that is cheaper and quicker than the current 1980s tech would weaken Medicare?

  92. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Hanson’s gutsy, a parasite and dead wrong on economics.

  93. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Privatising Medicare! Imagine investing in that business.

    You’d do better buying Dick Smith, Onetel and HIH shares.

  94. Yohan

    WTF is wrong with at least examining whether in 30 years the banks (who do payment systems for a living) might have developed something better than the PS drones in the Medicare back office? And why this is a bad thing? And why this has anything to do with “privatising Medicare”? And why that is a bad thing? And why a hypothetical payment system that is cheaper and quicker than the current 1980s tech would weaken Medicare?

    To logical and rational. The scare about ‘privatizing’ medicare worked. And to most Australians privatize means letting a private company set medicare costs. Its too complicated to explain this is not what the government planned to do.

  95. Andreas

    What will Shorten be going with if he gets in? Bringing back the RSRT, bringing in a carbon tax, 50% RET, removing negative gearing.

    So many landmines to step on.

  96. Grigory M

    I ran a booth on Satd’y night. First time ever. No quals

    Sure, you did.

  97. Leo G

    NXT seat’s of Mayo and Grey, and McGowan’s seat of Indi – all 3 are nominally conservative rural electorates. But the chances of them forming government with the Liberals is zero.

    Less likely than Labor forming government with turncoat Liberals?

  98. Helen

    Loved that, Geriatric, made me laugh.

    I’m off to bed – had a great nights sleep last night, Captain was away with his worry which wakes me and I was home alone. What to think of this election? Not really surprised. Malcolm believed everyone loved him because the media said so, but on the day the voters left their love at home, or it was a lie all along. I think he honestly thought he just had to turn up and he would win.

    He is going to have to spend a lot to get stuff done, which we know he is happy to do, so I guess the only way we will see small government again since apparently the cat has been belled, is through a proper full blown recession. When they absolutely run out of money, they will have to stop spending. That will be pretty ugly.

    I am going to forget about it til the counting is done, then make some decisions.NZ?

  99. Grigory M

    Andrew – when you actually know something about Medicare and its payment system, please feel free to pontificate on it.

    SLF? Me? Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

  100. egg_

    Sir Geoffrey of Sydney telling us about racist little Britain

    Little Britain is missing a village idiot?

  101. Yohan

    Speaking of Indi, letting Mirabella run again was an absurd move. I thought so at the time, not just in hindsight.

  102. Beef

    Privatising Medicare! Imagine investing in that business.

    Hard to imagine the investing brain that could sell that to someone who has collateral. What’s Alan Bond up to these days. He might see the potential growth.

  103. Fisky

    Speaking of Indi, letting Mirabella run again was an absurd move. I thought so at the time, not just in hindsight.

    I thought it was absolutely ridiculous. She’s a terrible failed candidate.

  104. JC

    I thought this was someone’s wifey who heard it – JC?

    Strange hey. I need to ask wifey whether her friend is just a bullshitter. She’s single and tends to tell tall stories how she was engaged 6 times. She’s also a leftie, which explains a lot.

  105. Leo G

    Hard to imagine the investing brain that could sell that to someone who has collateral.

    Think of a “corporate doctor” with specialist experience in sustainable clearfelling operations.

  106. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    I thought it was absolutely ridiculous. She’s a terrible failed candidate.

    So is the leader.

  107. Beef

    Not confident in the bonafides of Drink Up Socrates in a rare post Grigory M?

    I didn’t sense it myself. The writing and style seemed consistent.
    Perhaps an exaggeration or two in the mind of the participant. A great story none the less.

  108. JC

    Hard to imagine the investing brain that could sell that to someone who has collateral.

    Medicare could be sold. It all depends on what the government forks out each year, the income stream derived and the provisions that would allow or encumber the income flow. It’s not impossible.

    I think some of the state railways and trams run under a similar model. The government hands over a certain amount of mullah each year and the regulator helps sets the fees

    It would be hilarious that at the end of the day the Liars Party sell it like that because they’re stuck with too much debt unable to borrow money. 🙂

  109. Grigory M

    Not confident in the bonafides of Drink Up Socrates in a rare post Grigory M?

    Got it in one, Beef.

  110. Beef

    JC, agree with your analysis adding, the provisos and income stream seems to high a mountain for me.
    Clauses with updates revised regularly by a committe of whever the fuck on all sorts of definitions of is.

    I wouldn’t touch it.

  111. JC

    I wouldn’t touch it.

    lol.. I know. One dead kid.. A Four Canoes program that the privatized greedy Medicare had caused the kid’s death because the now tres busy forgot to yank out the toy in his throat and your business model is gonsky.

  112. JC

    whoops… the now tres busy doc…

  113. JC

    Can anyone explain the me why it’s become short term conventional wisdom that Turnbull will still be PM with the help of one possible seat majority or assistance from the cross bench. It’s looks like 50/50 Lab/Lib at the moment.

    In the big picture this is not an election you really would want to win because come next election the governing party could be seriously thumped.

  114. Beef

    lol.. I know. One dead kid..

    Means lawyers, nothing good could come from it.
    It has to be a rehabilitation program. And if it’s like any other Govt run rehabilitation program the addicts will have the keys to the medicine cabinet.

  115. Beef

    The RGRAT years, Rugrat for short, Governments have been telling us it’s all a kids cartoon.

    Are we about to add an S to complete the irony.

  116. Mc

    Agree Jc. A couple of weeks into 2010 Gov and I thought Abbott had dodged a bullet in not forming Gov with cross benches.

  117. Andreas

    Can anyone explain the me why it’s become short term conventional wisdom that Turnbull will still be PM with the help of one possible seat majority or assistance from the cross bench.

    One reason is the media are still pretending McGowan is a ‘conservative rural independent’.

  118. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I am going to forget about it til the counting is done, then make some decisions.NZ?

    Glad you slept well, Helen. We got to bed too late and I was up too early, so I ended up sleeping the hours between ten thirty AM and two thirty PM. Feel rather upside down now. Hairy is moving some money around and muttering about NZ, which is ridiculous. Things will be fine for us, we are hardly on our withers, I tell him, saying we’ll stick it out hanging on to what we have got in Sydney, where the children are settled into schools and he enjoys his work. I’m not worried for us. Nor, it struck me, are many other Australians much worried, in a very different category of earnings and wealth to us Eastern Suburbs denizens maybe, but nevertheless doing quite well.

    I’ve been thinking about that after we visited a family later this afternoon who live in one of the new estates that abound down here on the South Coast in the Nowra area: rellies of a relative of mine. A large middling income private housing estate, architecturally cheap and boring, all mortgaged, all employed, children playing cricket in the cul-de-sac streets, plenty of expensive caravans in the backyards or driveways, an occasional boat, an aspirational sort of place where the evening meal is still ‘tea’ and eaten at 6pm. We had been invited for ‘afternoon tea’ and I had to impress on Hairy that this didn’t mean 4.30, but no later than 3pm, so we were in a rush with me just out of bed.

    They are Labor and so it seems is much of the estate. The electorate is traditionally Liberal (Ann Sudbury) but now just lost to Labor (it’s a wide area, including farming). They were about to set off on holidays, in a convoy with another family. Their kids are doing well, they play sports and do music and ballet, and they attend public schools locally. In general, this family are living the Australian dream, mum has a part-time job, the father has reasonably secure employment in a fairly low-level information technology area. Thing just aren’t bad enough for them to move away from their Labor voting traditions, for them to look at Labor policies and find them wanting. There are no Muslim immigrants around, no refugees, it’s not struggle street, life seems pretty good, so there is nothing to alter the view that there is no end to the government’s capacity to provide and pay for everyone. They get various allowances for the children, their mortgages are not like urban ones, they don’t earn so much that tax is killing their ambitions and they are savers. Medicare was an issue that played well here. They are hanging on to their entitlements.

    Relaxed and comfortable, they are. New-style traditional Labor voters.

  119. Tintarella di Luna

    Congrats to both Tinta and Custard on your efforts. You can be happy that your votes didn’t go to Turnball!

    Are pre-poll votes regarded as the old absentee vote or in a category of their own?

    Thanks Brislurker – it was the only way to show my disgust with the Liberal party

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