Australia’s Jonestown massacre

Do those political morons who led the coup really believe that the result we have actually had is better than the one we would have had if Tony had still been leader? And listening to the campaign speech delivered six hours after the polls had closed made me appreciate just what a guilty mind Malcolm obviously now has. Other than the brute fact of his steel-plated ego protector, he would have fallen on his sword tonight, instead of telling us what a genius he’d been in destroying a party structure and policy position that had been carefully crafted over those many years of opposition and then in the first year and a half of government. He has also created a Senate eminently workable for a Labor Government but one in which the Coalition will be hard pressed to get a single issue of substance legislated.

The good news is that even with Malcolm leading the party, there is enough sanity left in the country to have kept Labor out. And it does seem possible that we have ended up with exactly the outcome I had hoped for. I wrote a post a week or so back on you don’t have to wait three years and an election cycle (or two). There I suggested:

The strategy has to be to get the Libs over the line and then see Malcolm turfed out before the year comes to an end. Whatever he may think, the Turnbull agenda is comprehensively dead.

The death of Turnbull’s agenda is even more apparent now than it was a week ago. But if the Libs do get over the line – which is more likely than not but by no means certain – he must go. He won’t want to because he never sees the slightest fault in himself in anything he does, but that’s the reality. I don’t know how it should be arranged but arranged it must be. The Party that drank the Turnbull Kool Aid must now find renewal which will not happen until Malcolm is finally gone.

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436 Responses to Australia’s Jonestown massacre

  1. Gerard O

    Brilliant idea — more leadership chaos.

  2. James

    I don’t know about the guilty 54, but judging by the post election commentary on the ABC the only thing Turnbull did wrong was being too right wing and Abbott-like.

    The left breaks its toys then wonders why they’re broken.

  3. Ian Plimer

    Time for a new and real Conservative party.

  4. James Gibson

    If Tony had stayed leader, the Libs would have been wiped out. Understand this. Move on. Tony Abbott’s not even a conservative himself. He jailed Paule Hanson, abolished the debt ceiling, indexed fuel excise, raised income taxes and also passed several freedom-destroying “security” laws.

    FUCK Tony Abbott, he’s a false god! Any thinking conservative realises he was fucking shit, and still is fucking SHIT. He’s dead, move on. Fuck’s sake.

  5. JC

    All true James… And we find Turnbuckle is fucking useless for different reasons. What’s your point.

    Incidentally, the inner city of our major cities are now as the commenter on Murray’s show is suggesting. They are supporting people like Bandt who actively campaigns for communism.

  6. James

    Tony Abbott was indeed not really much of a conservative. The nicest descriptor for his administration style while in office is “bad”.

    But even his enemies admit he is a great election trail campaigner.

    He might not have done much better than Turnbull did tonight, but he wouldn’t have done worse.

    So without the coup would be where we are now, only without our current leftist PM.

  7. James

    True JC.

    Thanks to our education system we have churned out about three generations of unabashed Marxists.

    And without the support of those you seem to consider beneath you the situation will only get worse and worse.

    Yes the state of the nation is dire enough to support the likes of Pauline Hanson.

    Yes seriously.

  8. Yohan

    Jeff Kennett said it on TV tonight, Turnbull’s high poll figures last year were soft Labor, who were attracted to him for the potential of left wing progressive causes. they the drifted back to Labor and the Greens.

    But will the LNP brains trust admit this? I doubt it.

  9. James

    The libs spend all their time surrounded by journalists and APS.

    I don’t blame them for wanting to be the nice right winger, the one who doesn’t believe all those nasty socially conservative things.

    I do blame them for being so stupid they put a leftist in charge of their party and expected him to be a sort of magic wand that would make all the cool kids in the press gallery like them forever.

  10. Rossini

    Who do you suggest replaces him.
    No point in telling him to piss off unless you have a viable plan to replace him.
    Is there any body “left” to kick start again?

  11. a happy little debunker

    As expected – Turnbull has set back effective conservatism for the next decade.
    A decade of weak psuedo mee-too progressive, big spending, big taxing, big government.
    I, for one – am not celebrating.
    But, I do hope Custard did well out west – can anyone advise and update?

  12. Slayer of Memes

    Debunker, from the election thread:

    Slayer of Memes
    #2077829, posted on July 3, 2016 at 1:43 am

    For those wondering how our Cat candidates went today:

    AEC website indicates custard got 113 votes (or 0.0018 of quota) with approx 55% vote counted in the WA Senate

    AEC website indicates Tinta got 1451 votes (or approx 2.06%) with only postal and pre-poll votes to be counted.

    Original post has links to the relevant AEC pages

  13. Rossini

    I guess that both Custard and Tinta would have been “elected” under the old system

  14. BorisG

    Jeff Kennett said it on TV tonight

    This is probably correct. But then those who delivered coalition victory in 2013 were also soft left, who abandoned ALP after ALP debacle. They were always going to go back to their base.

    So the swing was perfectly predictable and not the fault of turnbull. We do not know what abbots result would have been. Neither do bolt and Kates.

  15. BorisG

    I also don’t understand the arrogance of conservatives. The country is evenly split between labor and Coalition supporters. Some part, say, half of the coalition voters are conservatives. So they represent some 25% of the electorate. And yet they are still dreaming to be in charge.

    Of course they can point to Howard years as an example. But lots of current soft left policies were created under Howard.

  16. handjive

    . Howard
    . Nelson
    . Turnbull
    . Rudd
    . Gillard
    . Rudd
    . Abbott
    . Turnbull
    . . .
    All believers in, and enablers of, fraudulent 97% Doomsday Global Warming.
    The first politician who wakes up and speaks the truth won’t make that list.

  17. A Lurker

    Whatever the outcome, whoever gets Government, neither party has a mandate.

  18. kc

    2 great election results in a row. First Brexit and now Turnbull getting a kicking and the LNP just hanging on to government. I love being a delcon.

  19. John L

    Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for admiration and a lack of empathy for others. But behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem that’s vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
    A narcissistic personality disorder causes problems in many areas of life, such as relationships, work, school or financial affairs. You may be generally unhappy and disappointed when you’re not given the special favours or admiration you believe you deserve. Others may not enjoy being around you, and you may find your relationships unfulfilling.

    I have watched Turnbull’s “victory speech. Only the fact that I have been drinking have stopped me from vomiting. This guy is totally delusional. The only thing that this bloke cannot do is lick his balls.
    A dog can do it.
    Why don’t we put a dog in charge of the country?

  20. Michael Muscat

    Get wrecked Turnbull, Textor, Sinc et. al.

    You wrote us off now we kick you to the curb.

    So much for the bookies!

    Looking forward to a Trump win in November to complete the Trifecta: Brexit,Turnbulldust, TrumpTrain

    Libs 66
    Lab 72
    Other 5
    Undecided 7

    See you on Tuesday!

  21. Rabz

    The Waffler has to go. If he won’t go voluntarily, which he won’t, then he’ll need to be forcibly removed.

    Then the liberals need to be shut down.

    This election result is an absolute disgrace.

  22. Tekweni

    Abbott would have romped home. He would have run an aggressive campaign and Shorten would have been on the ropes. The dislike for Turnbull once people got to know him was intense. The non Liberal voters kept his ratings higher than they were amongst traditional Lib voters.

  23. John Constantine

    Have their ABC declared glorious victory yet?.

  24. John Constantine

    The only legislation that can get through this senate is legislation that empowers the cold dead hand of Stalin.

    Australia is now the crippled catamite cowering on the side of their Pat Pong Road, doing five buck tricks for every member of the borderless transnational totalitarian community that has that sort of progressive agenda.

  25. Ross B

    Time for a new and real Conservative Party…

    The Liberal Party is a serial hoax. The broad church rhetoric should be seen for what it is – an outmoded model in the age of a MSM that runs at the speed of light. Exactly what is the benefit of having seat-warmers in half the pews stuck without a voice, forced to sit through competing sermons in stony silence? What’s to represent if you can’t speak your mind when confronted with a TV news camera in the face of the bias laced into the cultural Marxist’s challenge?

  26. Herodotus

    If PC isn’t put up against a wall and shot we will never have sensible politics. Those in the media who boost PC memes should be laughed out of a job.
    Agree with Ian Plimer, there is a need for a properly conservative party. The Liberal Party has been taken too far off course to be rescued.
    The same goes for Labor. It is a shell of blatant liars as this campaign has confirmed – we already knew that, of course. The old guard who have departed used to keep the left on a short leash.

  27. john malpas

    Pauline Hansen will see you right.
    Pauline for Queen – why not?
    You all deserve her.

  28. john constantine

    Sky announces that turnmerkel has lost his mandate.

    –what mandate was this- the one that bishop, the leaking lady macbeth of australian politics, shot at him like a pus stained ping pong ball?.

  29. Token

    Turnbull delivered what he promised when opposition leader. The only shock is the parliament is hung.

  30. Token

    Sky announces that turnmerkel has lost his mandate

    He nullified the threat of a conservative government with his hapless coup cadre. That was the mandate the media allowed him.

    Now they are moving to remove him, like they had Abbott removed.

  31. john constantine

    As warned, the ultimate predator, wee willie shortfilth strikes again.

    Every one of his victims has been shellshocked that something as mockingly ridiculous and pathetic looking as shorten is laughing at them as their intestines uncoil around their ankles, spilling from the terminal gaping slit belly wound his sharp aardvark claws have inflicted.

    The tone of turnmerkel has encountered the Sauronic drive of shorten’s vengeance and, to quote sky:

    “turnbull is a lame duck”.

  32. HRT

    First to go for being an arrogant penis was Campbell Newman. Second to go for being an arrogant penis was Malcolm Turnbull.

    Slow learners have nothing on this lot.

  33. Megan

    But will the LNP brains trust admit this? I doubt it

    If Kroger, Brandis and Bishop are the representatives of this so called brains trust, then based on their comments last night the short answer is no.

  34. Phil

    But Ross we also need a new party for people like me who believe in a low tax, low spending honest government who aren’t conservative then.

    We really just need to jettison the socialists.

  35. It started with a relentless hate coming at Abbott from the New Class, who control all the pivot points, especially media. This forced Abbott himself into blunders, then it brought about the deal whereby the media would be nice if the Libs themselves inserted a New Class poster boy into the leadership. They did. Didn’t work.

    A conservative leader will need to be hard, forthright and find ways to connect. With the media and commentariat, composed mainly of aggressive but weak people, he needs to smile when he is getting his way, not when he feels cornered. He needs to make his apologies rare and more of a threat than his threats. He needs to be daddy after a tiring day in the jungle, not the family pet hoping for a cuddle.

    Cutting the guts and gizzards out of the ABC till there are no wailers left to do the wailing over the ABC will be a necessary first step. No playing about the edges…mangle the ABC or get mangled. When your worst enemy is constantly peeing in your tent there is no point to the adage about keeping enemies close.

  36. john constantine

    Sky is somewhat stunned that shorten cheated and lied.

    Their shortfilth has crippled turnmerkels duck, anybody who has ever encountered willy knows that he will agonise in glorious self critique as he rolls like a bad dog in the mouldering carcass of tory australia.

    He won by cheating, just as he has won by cheating the system all his life and never once has he suffered any retribution for the cheat.

    An Australia run by shortfilth will become the corrupt cesspit of asia, where cronyism is installed as the basic operating system of the great southern venezuala.

  37. john constantine

    Skyfilth giggling at the prospect of a tory politician dying somehow and thus passing power to the right sort.

  38. johanna

    There were a multitude of tiny right wing/libertarian parties and candidates which/who each got a poofteenth of the vote.

    While no doubt it satisfies the egos of those involved, as an electoral strategy it is a guaranteed fail.

    FFS, the pet-lovers got more votes.

  39. Token

    He won by cheating, just as he has won by cheating the system all his life and never once has he suffered any retribution for the cheat.

    The voters don’t care if a politician lies & cheats as long as they believe they will get bucket loads of free stuff, forever.

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The Lib campaign was terrible. Waffle and more waffle. Morrison would be better – he’s been hamstrung by Turnbull. Better still, bring on Cory Bernardi, a genuine conservative.

    For a start, Abbott must come back into Cabinet.

    Abbott would have made mincemeat of those ‘Medicare’ ads and the whole Medicare lie – he’d have beaten Shorten to a pulp over the fact he was so blatantly lying and that the press were letting him get away with it. Also, a decent campaign would have had some contra ads quick smart, showing happy struggling families and old people getting world-class healthcare without paying a cent up front for it, ie. “Medicare Works’ and “Medicare is Safe with the Liberals”.. sow some doubt as to what Labor might do to it, stretched financially with ruinous policies. Ads could even project to the future – show families and doctors bewailing how Medicare under Labor has descended to a shadow of the Great Social Reform it used to be under the Liberals. Punch back, ffs.

    The lie was so gross and so unfounded; analogous to the Libs trying on something like “Shorten Bans Inheritance” or “Shorten Axing all Part-Pensions”, with texts and banners on it running hot. One thing has been proven in the current environment: Big Lies work. There will be more of them from Labor now. To avoid descending to this level, the Liberals should replace Turnbull fast with someone who can fight on genuine issues. They can then stay true and fair and win.

    What we’ve got now is awful: Turnbull grooming himself and the Senate totally unworkable, with Shorten preening in the wings.

  41. Stackja

    MT is a political idiot with a delusion of grandeur.
    MT loses more votes by his manner then anyone politician I have known.

  42. john constantine

    One and a half billion dollars a year for their abc to frame the national narrative to the point that low content voters feel that privatising medicare is the sort of thing tories would do, and lying and saying they wouldn’t is tories all over.

  43. john constantine

    ABC factcheck on selling medicare now.

  44. one old bruce

    If it was about leadership, Shorten may be the best ALP leader in a generation.

    I can’t stand his pandering , Medicare scare campaign, or the way the ALP has evolved into a kind of yeomanry mobilising the masses to benefit a few careerists, but give the guy credit he’s a good political worker. Leaves Rudd and Gillard at the post, probably a better communicator than Albo. He ran a very good campaign: idiot Turnbull should copy him if he’s got nothing else as it seems.

    Otherwise, I am a econ novice, but hasn’t Parliament been invaded by rent-seekers this time? Not good. Jonestown indeed, well said Steve.

  45. Stackja

    Johanna – a proper leader would unite the non-Labor vote. Menzies created the Liberal Party from many small groups.

  46. johanna

    What we’ve got now is awful: Turnbull grooming himself and the Senate totally unworkable, with Shorten preening in the wings.

    Cripes, Lizzie, I’m not even hung over, and that is a Sunday morning image I can do without. 🙂

    It seems to me that the result closely resembles what we remarked on during the campaign – that the punters didn’t like either of them.

  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Heard a campaign radio ad (or maybe comment, can’t remember, was driving at the time) saying if you need some ‘unbiased’ information about the policies of the two parties, then ‘Get Up’ is there to help. Look for the t-shirt and ask them.

    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  48. john constantine

    Their abc luvs the tone of lord emsworth, luvs the nice house, the nice smile, the nice trophy artifacts.

    Their abc despises the shortfilth,[ they know all the inside stories] how many much loved abc personalities would go to a party at shortens house if they also had an invitation to a party at turnmerkels house on the same night?.

    Like all the crawling, chittering dead things though, once the will of Sauron calls, their abc hivemind bends towards Mordor.

  49. Mater

    The voters don’t care if a politician lies & cheats as long as they believe they will get bucket loads of free stuff, forever.

    Anyone who has worked in a union dominated industry would understand that the members actually prefer their ‘representatives’ to lack scruples in regards to lying and cheating. It gives them peace of mind that their representation won’t disappear when/if they’re caught doing it to their employers.

  50. one old bruce

    “Get Up is here to help”

    – Reminds me of the bushfires when we were invaded by Scientologists in weird t-shirts: came to help by offering “counselling”.

  51. Baldrick

    Turdbull’s the problem but Abbott redux is not that answer.

  52. TC

    Who do people think their doctor ,their pathologist or their specialist works for?

  53. Stackja

    Informal vote AEC 571,344 or 5%. How much due to dissatisfaction?

  54. johanna

    Their abc luvs the tone of lord emsworth,

    I will remind you, yet again, that Lord Emsworth hated cities, taxes, and wearing a suit.

    Cease and desist with slurring his name, sir!

  55. Entropy

    Excellent imagery there Mr Constantine!
    And so true.

    Quite So!

  56. gary

    Turnbull has contributed nothing positive to the Liberals in his entire career, yet has been primarily responsible for bringing down a first term Liberal PM. If he has any regard for the Liberals he will go immediately and keep his opinions to himself for the rest of his time.

  57. Crossie

    Who do you suggest replaces him.
    No point in telling him to piss off unless you have a viable plan to replace him.
    Is there any body “left” to kick start again?

    Well, there is the Member for Brookvale Oval but I doubt he will want to accept the poisoned chalice. Give it to Lady Macbeth, she earned it.

  58. Marcus Classis

    Did not bother to watch any election dross last night. Had research to do. Caught the news just now and I am still laughing.

    Talk about the revolt of the plebeians! And so much for pollsters.

    Turdball and his genius advisers like ‘you don’t matter’ Textor took Abbott’s 30 seat majority, TURC findings to wipe the floor with The Accused Rapist and his squandermonkeys, all the advantages of Pallychook and Andrews monumental clusterf*cks at state level, all the rest …

    … and they pissed the whole lot up against the wall. They could not organise a root in a brothel with a fist full of fifties and three weeks lead time.

    Brilliant work, geniuses. Electoral results so good they won’t even be able to get ABCC through a joint sitting.

    I think it’s hilarious, time to stock up on the popcorn.

    I am hoping for a hung parliament and for The Accused Rapist to get the chalice of the Prime Ministership. It’s brimming with a mix of arsenic and cyanide right now.

    Absolutely hilarious.

    Pity it’s insanely bad for the nation, but who in the Lib-Lab-MSM power elite gives a crap about that, eh?

  59. Crossie

    … mangle the ABC or get mangled. When your worst enemy is constantly peeing in your tent there is no point to the adage about keeping enemies close.

    We kept saying that for the last three elections with no effect, Liberal politicians are slow learners.

  60. Gutho

    Thank you Mr Turnbull, in 5 years time we will be queuing for toilet paper.

  61. Robbo

    I agree with those who think that this what a good election result. Turnbull has been shown up as the political dickhead that many of us knew he was and has led the Coalition to the edge of the cliff. Many seats lost and a Senate that will probably be more hostile than it was before. The man who thinks he is the smartest bloke around has had his pants well and truly pulled down and if the Liberal survivors have any brains they will be moving as quickly as possible to send Turnbull packing. To not do that will put their personal political fortunes at grave risk and will inevitably lead to a loss of government at the next election. Turnbull has been neutered and Shorten has been denied. Bloody perfect.

  62. Anne

    Johanna 8:03

    There were a multitude of tiny right wing/libertarian parties and candidates which/who each got a poofteenth of the vote. While no doubt it satisfies the egos of those involved, as an electoral strategy it is a guaranteed fail.

    Exactly. The problem is the Right is made up of Individuals. We want to leave people alone and be left alone. It’s hard for us to do what’s natural for the Left but it’s time to unite, organise, get on a war footing and use their Alinsky tactics against them.

    Anne
    #2077943, posted on July 3, 2016 at 7:48 am
    Liberal party is dead!
    There needs to be a Convention of all Right Wing Parties and Individuals to try to create an Organised and United Front against the Progressive Marxist Globalist Agenda that is threatening the Western Democracies.

  63. duncanm

    Malcolm is the great negotiator, he told me himself.

    He’ll make a hung parliament work.

    (snort)

  64. Malcolm

    Malcolm Turnbull will not be resigning nor should he. Labor played the mediscare campaign well, but it seems the Coalition will have a tiny majority.

    Led my nutty Steve Kates, the del-cons hate Malcolm, who is on track to be our greatest prime minister.

    But what happens if he resigns? Then Labor will be in government – the Shorten Government as there will be a by-election in Wentworth which the Greens or Labor will win.

    So get back in your box – you del-cons have helped Labor and your latest calls show clearly that you are all closet left-wing Labor supporters.

    As for me – I want Malcolm Turnbull to succeed.

  65. Crossie

    Johanna – a proper leader would unite the non-Labor vote. Menzies created the Liberal Party from many small groups.

    Liberals used to have a big tent for all of them but Mal has turfed out everyone but himself, the treacherous 54 and the ABC.

    Everyone else had to pitch a pup tent to protect themselves from progressives.

  66. Rayzor

    Two points:

    Hitler wrote (and implemented) the philosophy that if you tell a lie then you must take it to the point of sheer incredulity – the populus says that it is so outrageous a claim that it can only be true. Thus the medicare distortion worked.

    It’s time said Gough Whitlam. I say it’s time to unfurl the Australian flag around a new (already registered) party the Australian Conservative party care of Cory Bernadi – Lead by Tony Abbot. The conservative core follows out of the now decrept and unsalvageable Liberal party for the Australian liberal left wingers now reflect the American understanding of the word liberal viz the Demolitioncrats.

  67. John L

    If the democracy is to survive the tenure of Members of Parliament must be limited to two terms only and Senators to one term.
    There is no room for lifetime job for “career politician”!
    “Democracy” in the current form is a very expensive failure!

  68. Crossie

    As for me – I want Malcolm Turnbull to succeed.

    OK, who is sockpuppetting Malcolm Turnbull?

  69. I am the Walras, Equilibrate, and Price-Take

    And all in order to address the unquenchable emotional-psychological needs of a narcissist with mummy issues.

    I just … I can’t even …

  70. egg_

    Methinks da Misogyny did Abbott’s head in, paving the way for Maladroit.

  71. Clam Chowdah

    He might not have done much better than Turnbull did tonight, but he wouldn’t have done worse.

    No question – he would have done far better by focussing on what interests middle Australia, instead of Ultimo. Turnbull’s election campaign was like a Chauncey Gardener re-run, totally insubstantial.

  72. johanna

    Good points above.

    Menzies created the Liberal Party, which then held power (with the Country Party) for decades, by uniting lots of groups and individuals. It was bloody hard, and thankless, work.

    Anyone who thinks that Turncoat is up to that task is living on another planet.

  73. Crossie

    If the democracy is to survive the tenure of Members of Parliament must be limited to two terms only and Senators to one term.
    There is no room for lifetime job for “career politician”!
    “Democracy” in the current fo

    Then you will get dynasties in parliament as family members try to cash in on name recognition.

  74. Anne

    Of course you do, “Malcolm”, if that is your real name.

    You’re Kevin Rudd in a better suit; otherwise same animal.

  75. John Comnenus

    Turnbull’s greatest skill is to capaign for an agenda with popular support only to inadvertently fail.

    For goodness sake go man. Resign.

  76. john constantine

    –Beaten by the shortfilth.

    Has that even sunk into turnmerkels operating system yet?.

    Put on the suit, walk out the front door of the mansion, hop into the limo, get driven to somewhere trendy in the hopes of a good ball-cradling from their abc–and get the gripping gutcramp as the reality of being dragged behind the sheltershed and mercilessly flogged by the most pathetic, pitiful and reviled piece of manboobed pudginess in the class clenches his ring in the shock of reality.

  77. Anne

    If there’s one message to come out of this election, it’s:

    Malcolm, your Mother doesn’t love you and neither do we.

  78. egg_

    I want Malcolm Turnbull to succeed.

    Dislike x 1000

  79. pbw

    At the close of election coverage, the ABC had LNP 72 seats, ALP 66, other 5. But counting continued at the AEC, and with each update, Labor crept father ahead. By this morning, things were looking decidedly grim for the Dear Leader. Have a look.

    When you posted yesterday that malcon would be rolled by the party, I expressed deep cynicism. As you say, he has an armour-plated ego, and the Libs are in disarray. But never mind, malcon’s new bestie, Alan Jones, poo-pooed the idea of a change of leadership last night on Sky. I wonder what he will say about that this morning?

  80. John Comnenus

    I’m tipping the LNP finish with 78

  81. John L

    Turnbull – if he had any honour he would commit harakiri.
    But of course, he has no honour. After all, he is the son of a whore.

  82. Clam Chowdah

    I also don’t understand the arrogance of conservatives. The country is evenly split between labor and Coalition supporters. Some part, say, half of the coalition voters are conservatives. So they represent some 25% of the electorate. And yet they are still dreaming to be in charge.

    ALP also contain a range of members with different positions. The point is to strike a balance acceptable to a majority, DUH.

  83. john constantine

    The obsolete voters of Australia have betrayed turnmerkel, so obviously he must replace them and import a brand new voting demographic that will be forever fawningly devoted to him and luv him long time.

  84. Clam Chowdah

    Malcolm Turnbull will not be resigning nor should he. Labor played the mediscare campaign well, but it seems the Coalition will have a tiny majority.

    Led my nutty Steve Kates, the del-cons hate Malcolm, who is on track to be our greatest prime minister.

    But what happens if he resigns? Then Labor will be in government – the Shorten Government as there will be a by-election in Wentworth which the Greens or Labor will win.

    So get back in your box – you del-cons have helped Labor and your latest calls show clearly that you are all closet left-wing Labor supporters.

    As for me – I want Malcolm Turnbull to succeed.

    Look at this clown.

    As I said last night, Turnbull will not absorb any lessons from this, even if he wins with 50% plus one vote.

    The hubris of these fucking morons…

  85. So get back in your box – you del-cons have helped Labor and your latest calls show clearly that you are all closet left-wing Labor supporters.

    Average trolling attempt – 4/10.

    Must try harder.

  86. Ross B

    Malcolm Turnbull will not be resigning nor should he. Labor played the mediscare campaign well, but it seems the Coalition will have a tiny majority.

    Turnbull won’t resign. Forget Coalition numbers in the House. Forget a working mandate. The only number that will matter to the Prime Narcissist is 728.

    You can figure it out..!

  87. Rabz

    I want Malcolm Turnbull to succeed.

    The latest example of the Waffler’s ability to “succeed” – yesterday’s election result. His new PA, Wyatt Boy, might also have a view on that.

    You aren’t related to a chap known as mOnty, by any chance?

  88. Leo G

    If Tony had stayed leader, the Libs would have been wiped out. Understand this. Move on. Tony Abbott’s not even a conservative himself.

    Tony Abbott’s reasoning on ethical and administrative issues has always been more casuist (in the more positive sense) than conservative. However, he has always been sympathetic to conservative perspectives- unlike Malcolm Turnbull.
    Your conditional statement that the Libs would have been wiped out (I assume you mean left with insufficient MPs to expect in to form government in the “foreseeable” future) is an unjustified opinion.
    I suggest that you are the one who needs to move on from a mindset cast by anti-conservative partisans in pursuit of a Turnbull hegemony of the Coalition.

  89. one old bruce

    “ALP also contain a range of members with different positions. The point is to strike a balance acceptable to a majority, DUH.”

    Yes Clam, but Turnbull may have been the best bet to do that balancing act, and the result is thin gruel, empty belly. Meanwhile Shorten ran a simple demagogic even lying campaign and roused all the little old ladies to his side again. How do you beat that? Well Abbott came close with his “kind conservatism”.

  90. Rabz

    A thirty seat house of reps majority, totally torched.

    Success! 🙂

  91. john constantine

    3.6 percent swing? out of 15 million voters?.

    In the last three years a million people have arrived in australia and half a million old voters passed through the pearly gates.

    The convoy of the brainwashed socialist children voting for the first time and the voteherds combined with the loss of the canny and experienced older vote are the demographic future of Australias electoral future.

    Britain got digestion trying to absorb the same numbers of unskilled welfare herds that australia is, with three times the population to pay for them.

    Obviously turnmerkel must abandon skilled migration and use the air force as an airlift airtaxi service to earn the love of the progressive voter for the turnbull team, only voteherds saved and helped by their lefty saving and helping activists can progress the country.

  92. one old bruce

    I know many old ladies who sat by the TV wringing their handkerchiefs about “Medicare” too. So Shorten forged a support of both young brainwashed and old.

  93. Ant

    Whatever he may think, the Turnbull agenda is comprehensively dead.

    But will we get same sex marriage, a republic and more funding for the ABC?

    Other than that, Maol’s agenda shifts like the sands of the Sahara.

    I glad my local member did well in this election. He deserved it for many reasons, not the least being he opposed Turnbull in the spill.

  94. custard

    Sorry Happy I’m afraid I didn’t manage to cut through over here. I sent my stuff to Cory so if we wants to crank up a real Conservative party I’ll be there with bells on.

  95. one old bruce

    Anecdote: Once the local Vietnamese could be counted as conservative voters, but now I hear they judge every poli by how “racist” they imagine them to be.

  96. Elon Musk

    Malcolm’s brand-new driverless political party ran into the Shorten-Mobile because not enough voters could detect the difference.

  97. I also don’t understand the arrogance of conservatives.

    LOL. The breathtaking arrogance of liberalism indeed.

  98. Marcus Classis

    Turdball’s Sockpuppet:

    As for me – I want Malcolm Turnbull to succeed.

    To do that, he’d have to be humble, have a record of community work (local fire volunteer brigade, local surf life-savers, help out in remote aborig. communities maybe), do charity work (local women’s shelter, polly pedal maybe), be actually competent, know something about politics, not be a squealing narcissist, be able to communicate, know somethng about economics, know how to go for the throat of an Accused Rapist….

    But he’s nothing like that at all.

    I wonder who in the Libs might be?

    Heard that Malcolm Turdball has a new book about to be published?

    It’s called “The Three-year Goat Rodeo”

    Listening to Ole Scrotum face and their insiders.

    Savva the human jowl is almost in tears, repeating that ‘Abbott would have done worse! Abbott would have done worse!’ as she fills her Depends, the other two leftardish drones are constantly pausing for orgasms of joy while saying ‘It’s all Abbott’s fault’, and The Human Scrote is tugging himself in the corner.

    It’s hilarious.

  99. .

    James Gibson
    #2077858, posted on July 3, 2016 at 2:11 am
    If Tony had stayed leader, the Libs would have been wiped out. Understand this. Move on. Tony Abbott’s not even a conservative himself. He jailed Paule Hanson, abolished the debt ceiling, indexed fuel excise, raised income taxes and also passed several freedom-destroying “security” laws.

    FUCK Tony Abbott, he’s a false god! Any thinking conservative realises he was fucking shit, and still is fucking SHIT. He’s dead, move on. Fuck’s sake.

    Well said. He should retire. As should Turnbull.

  100. John Constantine

    Their ABC gets a billion dollars a year to frame the racism narrative, no Australian kiddie goes through the education indoctrination process without discovering that ‘racism,racism,racism’ are the new three ‘R’s.

    Not building a country through skilled migration, but weaponising divisions for financial advantage.

    The left are fuckers.

  101. .

    John L
    #2078039, posted on July 3, 2016 at 8:59 am
    If the democracy is to survive the tenure of Members of Parliament must be limited to two terms only and Senators to one term.
    There is no room for lifetime job for “career politician”!
    “Democracy” in the current form is a very expensive failure!

    Sortition.

  102. egg_

    Abbott came close with his “kind conservatism”.

    Bullshit that the public didn’t buy under two woeful Budgets, which left the LNP with no choice but Turnbull, own goal.

  103. johno

    there is enough sanity left in the country to have kept Labor out

    Labor isn’t out. The AEC website on Sundau morning following the election has Labor, with its Green and Independent allies (Xenophon, Wilkie, McGowen) sitting on 76 seats. That’s a majority. That makes Shortarse the PM.
    There are 7 undecided. Labor only needs to win one of those, or bride Katter, to have a speaker.
    The numbers are yet tol be confirmed and there will be lots of recounts. But right now, based on the AEC figures, we are looking at a change of government.

  104. Tapdog

    The left are fuckers.

    The left are shrewd, well resourced, well organised, far-sighted fuckers

    FIFY

    The right is not even in the game.

  105. johanna

    one old bruce
    #2078084, posted on July 3, 2016 at 9:27 am

    I know many old ladies who sat by the TV wringing their handkerchiefs

    If true (which I doubt,) way TMI.

  106. Tapdog

    right now, based on the AEC figures, we are looking at a change of government.

    Woohooooo! The race to Christmas Island is back on.

  107. Mrs Beardsley

    Will be overjoyed to see Lucy’s sourpuss when Turnbull gets knifed.

  108. Motelier

    I still live in hope that we will have the most disruptive senate filled with unrepresentive swill.

    The libs need to go back to their grass roots, yes the locals in each electorate and ask what has gone wrong.

  109. custard

    The bittered Savv looks like the battered Savv!

  110. Custard, you did a great job with nothing, and it was terrific to be able to help. I am also waiting for a party I can support wholeheartedly.

  111. john constantine

    Flogged by the shortfilth, anybody mentioned that to his lordship yet?.

    Great communicator my arse, the skyfilth just mentioned in mocking passing that wee willy wanted it more and people saw him chasing it.

    Lord kiss-my-ring assumed his tone and magnificent magnificence would drop it in his lap.

  112. Marcus Classis

    How history will remember Turdball

    Insiders is a hoot today.

  113. Marcus Classis

    Custard, her jowls have not stopped wobbling all show – she’s on the verge of losing it.

  114. thefrollickingmole

    So has anyone quantified how many votes Maocolm took from the greens/labour voters who said they liked him?

    You know the narrative that Mao would take votes from the left because he was not Abbott.

    Also last night the talking heads on the 7 election desk were waffling that now Mao could unleash himself unconstrained by those nasty Liberals.

    No enemies to the left eh?

  115. James

    Looks like Turnbull is still sleeping off last nights binge of Cocaine and Red Bull.

    Poor dear.

  116. cuckoo

    The obsolete voters of Australia have betrayed turnmerkel, so obviously he must replace them and import a brand new voting demographic

    SBS was doing a gushing piece last night about immigrants and ‘refugees’ voting for first time. One of their stars was a young Afghan man whose voting priorities were (1) climate change and (2) ‘refugees’.

  117. Ellen of Tasmania

    If you take a portion of the informal votes and add them to the votes of all the minor, conservative parties, there may be enough there to suggest that we matter to the Liberal Party – but only just.

    What would have to happen to a country before people started to realise that government is the problem, not the answer?

    In Venezuela the people are starving, but are they pleading for liberty and a free market? Look at the situation in Greece. Yet they voted for a more socialist/communist party, not for freedom to grow and prosper. Brexit only just got over the line, even though the EU almost drowns the little island in regulations. Merkel and her mates are ‘worried’ that other countries might let the people have a vote too, and the MSM and assorted dolts, nod in agreement.

    Where is a love of liberty, taking responsibility for yourself, wanting busy-bodies to nick off?

  118. Marcus Classis

    Mole:

    So has anyone quantified how many votes Maocolm took from the greens/labour voters who said they liked him?

    Hell yes, that bloke ‘fessed up last night.

    This morning, the Socialist Alliance and CFMEU were in a fighting it out over who’d burn his house down.

  119. Gab

    Get rid of compulsory voting!

  120. .

    Indeed. It is “friggin’ preposterous” as a cantankerous of Cat commenter would say.

  121. A Lurker

    Where is a love of liberty, taking responsibility for yourself, wanting busy-bodies to nick off?

    For the moment those ideals, have been consigned to the dustbin of history, they may come back into vogue in a generation or two once the world has stopped burning.

  122. I’m not a Pauline Hanson supporter, nor do I trust her much…but I’ve become a bit of a sympathiser. What I like about her is that when she is patronised she strikes back like a cobra. No hesitation. She doesn’t get drawn into the patroniser’s web, doesn’t pull back when they try to pull back, doesn’t buy their humour or irony in retreat. She just strikes out at the merest appearance or whiff of patronising and keeps firing in pursuit.

    Lesson in that for all conservatives. You will have your patronisers. Cure them of that.

  123. Tel

    Will be overjoyed to see Lucy’s sourpuss when Turnbull gets knifed.

    Third major failure to achieve his great dream of being liked by Australia.

  124. Leo G

    A Katter/Xenophon/Green/Labor Coalition government?

  125. Marcus

    As for me – I want Malcolm Turnbull to succeed.

    You know what? So did I. But he simply hasn’t. Instead he just faffed around for six months, trying not to do anything controversial or upset his backers at the ABC, the public eventually saw through him and this is the result. What did the party expect when they put in charge a guy who’d only ever held soft portfolios like Communications and Environment who never took a political risk in his life?

  126. Ellen of Tasmania

    I think the likes of the ABC commentariat are satisfied that the plebs don’t want economic freedom but rather government dependence. The Libs are already basically on side with that, because they don’t expect to be able to win without handouts.

    Now they are after your moral values, and Malcolm was their man. If the Libs are happy to sit behind Mr Turnbull they are telling us in no uncertain terms that they have no intention of fighting for either their small government or their conservative credentials.

    In which case, as Ian P. said above, it’s time for a new party. C’mon Cory and friends – it’s time to move.

  127. ACTOldFart

    Does anyone know how many of the Liberal Members and Senators who lost their seats supported Turnbull in the leadership spill, and how many supported Abbott? It could be a crucial figure in how the game develops, assuming the Lib – Nat coalition is returned.

    You could have a situation where Turnbull’s supporter numbers in the Liberal party room are significantly diminished, along with his authority within the party; a more confident and larger National Party will be pushing to increase its influence; and a number of Liberal members are elected on One Nation preferences.

    In such a situation, Turnbull would be hard put to push any wet left agenda, even within the party or caucus. This would be particularly so recognising the man’s inherent spinelessness and vaccillation. The paradoxical situation could arise that in order to stay PM Turnbull is forced to follow the agenda of the more conservative elements of the Libs – Nats, or at the least is forced to drop some or all of his wetter, more left ideas and initiatives.

  128. incoherent rambler

    The numbers are yet tol be confirmed and there will be lots of recounts. But right now, based on the AEC figures, we are looking at a change of government.

    AEC site now is
    ALP with 72 seats
    Add Bandt = 73

    7 undecided. They need 3. Chances are they will get them.

    The bright spots being is that 1. history will show Herr Luftwaffle was never elected as PM (just appointed) and 2. Willy will murderize Dopey Dan.

  129. James

    If you want to defeat the left you need popular support.

    Hanson has shown how to do that.

    The LDP along with libertarianism generally have failed and will continue to do so until the left is defeated culturally so that rational policies can actually get oxygen.

    The problem is a nail and Hanson is a hammer.

    Going at the nail with a Multimeter achieves little.

  130. .

    Hanson IS a leftist. Read her policies.

  131. James

    The people calling for Bernardi to split and form his own party?

    Yeah that’s what we need, MORE minor parties on the right.

  132. incoherent rambler

    We will have another election SOON.

    The disarray in libs will see an ALP government with a comfortable majority.

    The ironing

  133. James

    If Hanson is a leftist then she’s just the leftist we need.

    Social conservatives have tried reaching out to small government libertarians.

    Just like in the US and the UK we got laughed at, sneered at and snubbed.

    We might not need you anymore.

  134. Gab

    There needs to be a search party assembled to find all those leftards who said they’d vote Liberal if only turnbull was the leader. No show at the polls yesterday – they’ve all gone missing

  135. Louis Hissink

    Those elected more or less reflect the views of the majorities that voted for them. No conservative will be able to change this, so the slide to a Venezuela is guaranteed with the only parameter being ‘time’ and its length.

  136. notafan

    Turnbull rebadged as the Turnbull Coaliton Team.

    All that did was reinforce to the Australian voteplebariate that we in fact had chosen the Prime Minister in 2013 and he was ours to vote out, not the Parliamentary Liberal party
    .
    The bleating about Abbott’s minor imperfections are what are pathetic. He campaigned and won well in 2013 and he would have done so again by campaigning on the right issues: borders, national security’ no carbon tax and spending cuts.

    Mediscare was hilarious, the freeze on rebates is seeing those doctors who won’t bleed patients to a bulk bill clinic charging $20 gaps from 1 July making that $7 co-payment a bargain in comparison. The Labor party did a great job circulating samples of those fee increase notices around on social media and you think if Labor got in doctors would have said oh we won’t go ahead with a fee increase because Labor is so nice, as someone said last night “not Pygmalion well likely”

    As for a split, no way, the reformation needs to happen inside the Liberal Party.

  137. dragnet

    If I were Barnaby Joyce, I would at the moment be on the phone having a friendly chat to Cory Bernardi about life, the Universe and everything.

  138. carol

    Can someone please enlighten me on how The Nationals went in this election, as in did they lose any seats or are any of their seats at risk? I ask because I saw very many comments on many different sites recommending only voting for Libs who had supported Abbott in the spill or, if they had not, voting for the Nats instead. I have heard many media ‘experts’ commenting, both last night and this morning in relation to the possibility of whether disaffected voters had been a factor, saying that the result for the Coalition would have been far worse had Abbott still been leader. If The Nationals had a comparatively solid result I would dispute that.

    The last time I commented here was about my belief that, in a Left dominated media environment, polls are used to persuade and not to inform. Responders said that was not the case and that polls get it wrong for other reasons.
    The polls on Brexit and this election are good recent examples of getting it wrong. The polls on the coming US election show Hillary Clinton to be well in front, but where the details of compiling those polls have been determined it was revealed that a majority of those polled were known Democrats voters.
    IMHO, before Turnbull’s takeover, any poll on Liberal leaders’ popularity taken where the majority of those polled were known Green or Labor voters would have shown him to be very popular relative to Abbott, for obvious reasons.

    The ‘expert’ commentators referred to above, continue to cite those early Turnbull popularity polls now as proof that Abbott would have done far worse than Turnbull. Easy to say, impossible to know.

  139. candy

    Peta Credlin seems to be praised from all quarters for her TV work on the election and campaign.

    The nasty book of N. Savva just that, forgotten. She just rose above that and made a new career.
    T. Abbott and her friends and supporters must be so pleased for her.

  140. Old School Conservative

    I’m glad Turnbull had his backside handed to him but I don’t enjoy seeing that smirk on Shorten’s face.
    So this is what self flagellation is like.

  141. Driftforge

    So how did the 54 do compared to the 47?

  142. Driftforge

    Nationals are +1 I believe.

  143. Tel

    Hanson IS a leftist. Read her policies.

    Well her policy flyer is right here…

    http://www.onenation.com.au/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=155063

    I count 17 policy points there, and the ones that I would consider “leftist” are:
    * Increases to old age pension
    * More spending on public education and opposing private education
    * Public spending on infrastructure projects (supposedly creating jobs)

    Some of their points are general authoritarian “law and order” items:
    * More resources to the “war on drugs” which has already failed.
    * Investigate Chinese property buyers who have bypassed existing property ownership laws
    * Categorization of Islam as being more a political ideology than a religion and crackdown on that basis.
    * Trying to remove the feminist bias from the Family Court.

    What part of their policies relate to liberty, devolving big government, etc?
    * Stand up to the UN and don’t take their shit if it doesn’t suit us
    * Citizen referenda
    * Referendum on the definition of the word “marriage”
    * Protection of farmer’s property rights in their land
    * Adding value to Australian residency by making it more difficult to obtain
    * Blocking GST increase
    * Standing up for the right to own a gun

  144. Kool Aid Kid

    Clever Kates. I note he doesn’t nominate his preferred leader, so let’s assume Abbott. In which case we reinstate the man who so royally screwed up that his own colleagues punted him in the first term. Brilliant. Or perhaps we go with Morrison, who has done such a fine job in Treasury? Who then? Kates????
    Alternatively, check out the political landscape: it is very hard to imagine any government in this parliament that will not face great difficulty with any sensible agenda. Perhaps Xenophon will support the Coalition, but he will want concessions for South Australia. Greens will only support Labor. Hanson will demand an end to free trade agreements and migration etc. Lambie is unpredictable other than on defence salaries and money for Tasmania. And so on.
    If you claim this Kates you are in need of urgent assistance.

  145. Louis Hissink

    To reform the Liberal Party one needs to gain control of the branches and having been there myself decades ago, it’s an uphill battle as many are there to take advantage of “the system’ just like the Eurocrats in Brussels were corruption and nepotism is rife and entrenched.

    But so it was during 1789 in France and Madame Guillotine rapidly diminished that lot then, and then gave us Napoleon. So what happened was that the pilfering elite simply changed class identity.

    And how do you ensure that Gramscian infiltrators masquerading as conservatives don’t become part of the conservative milieu? Political theories never appeared from the proles but always from the bored, and boring, middle class intellectuals. It’s the intelligentsia who are the problem. It’s why Stalin et al strove to eliminate them at every opportunity.

  146. PeterF

    At last Lord Kardashian will fulfill his promise to all his Labor boosters,he will resign from Parliament( thanks Mr Howard) and his seat will go to the Labor/Greens giving Shortarse a majority. When 50% of the population are dependent on taxpayers to supplement their income, there is no hope.

  147. Old School Conservative

    In which case, as Ian P. said above, it’s time for a new party. C’mon Cory and friends – it’s time to move.

    Anyone who stood and was elected as a Liberal has the duty to the voters to remain a Liberal until the next election.

  148. Yohan

    Angus Taylor, with Christian Porter as shadow treasurer.

  149. strange

    Enjoying the sour puss whiners amd sore losers from the LNP. Turnbull’s performance was a classic – oh the lies, the lies and the scare campaigns. If it wasn’t for them, well….. Anyone for a debt and deficit scare campaign, not to mention $100 roasts and the whipe out of Whyalla. Oh, the humanity. Ha, ha, ha.

  150. egg_

    If I were Barnaby Joyce, I would at the moment be on the phone having a friendly chat to Cory Bernardi about life, the Universe and everything.

    Let’s hope Cory has a long memory.

  151. strange

    I for one would like to see Turnbull rolled just to see what would happen in a Parliament where it looks like the LNP will have a majority of just a few seats. That could split the LNP down the middle. Turnbull might do a Lyons!

  152. Myrddin Seren

    One and a half billion dollars a year for their abc to frame the national narrative to the point that low content voters feel that privatising medicare is the sort of thing tories would do, and lying and saying they wouldn’t is tories all over.

    Maxine McKew was pontificating on Nine last night saying pretty much the same thing. The Coalition does not ‘believe’ in Medicare like Labor does, and therefore cannot be trusted not to take medical coverage away from ‘Everyday Aussies’.

    Amazing how McKew is a nexus between TheirABC and the ALP with them all singing the same song.

    /sarc off

  153. Harald

    I keep hearing that the Liberals will probably get over the line. Maybe I am not reading this right, but AEC tally room has the Coalition trailing on 2PP in 21 seats:

    link

    Currently 90, minus 21 leaves only 69.

  154. Village Prefect

    You are right Candy. The real Lib winner from the last eight weeks is Peta Credlin. She came across as intelligent , balanced, earnest, honest,and indeed loyal.

    Her TV exposure gave insight into Abbotts problem as PM. She filled his personal capacity limitations and thus he increasingly relied on her to the point where the disgruntled believed , with good cause, that she was running the show.

    She also exposed last night that Turnbull has an even more tin ear than Abbott but is more detached from middle Australia than Abbott was. And limited though Abbots policies were , at least he had some policies. Take a look at the so-called “Policies” on the Libs website. They are nothing more than single issue press statement, even worse many are just electorate specific spending commitments.

    However the Libs problem is that that now have no policies because they have no underpinning philosophy. Where’s the Howard “”Pillars” upon which the policy house was built. Answer …there are none.

    The Libs need more than a makeover. They need a rebuild.

  155. strange

    The Coalition does not ‘believe’ in Medicare like Labor does, and therefore cannot be trusted not to take medical coverage away from ‘Everyday Aussies’.

    Indeed it doesn’t. As Abbott said, private health insurance is in the DNA of the LNP – it tries to undermine Medicare at every turn. The LNP opposed Medicare under Whitlam and it was only established after a joint sitting. Fraser dismantled it and left it as a residual for pensioners and the unemployed (of which there were many – thanks John Howard, Treasurer). Howard then undermined it by introducing penalties for those not taking out private insurance and sweetners for those who did. The GP freeze is just a continuation of the LNP’s agenda to impose a US style system in Australia. They just aren’t honest about it.Not to mention their use of the word “sustainable”, a code for cut. But it does slip out sometimes – Hockey’s comments about his son receiving free treatment for a broken foot.

  156. James of the Glen

    L. Hissink: “To reform the Liberal Party one needs to gain control of the branches”.

    Yesterday we had a wind farm rent-seeker branch member passing out how-to-vote cards for the Liberal Party.

    That’s the type of rubbish posing as a Liberal.

  157. A Lurker

    The Libs need more than a makeover. They need a rebuild.

    From the ground up. The termites have infested everything.

  158. Robert O

    I thought it was Herr Goebbels, not Hitler that said that lies if told over and over they became truthful.
    Vale la pena que la gente piense de la situacion en Venezuela, un pais muy rico, como el nuestro, pero con un gobierno socialista. Can happen here too!

  159. Myrddin Seren

    But right now, based on the AEC figures, we are looking at a change of government.

    We now bring you the view from the Borderforce watchtower on Christmas Island, as news of the election results spreads through the Undocumented Maritime Transport Community on Java.

  160. Tel

    She also exposed last night that Turnbull has an even more tin ear than Abbott but is more detached from middle Australia than Abbott was.

    Credlin must be some kind of genius, no regular flesh and blood human could have figured that out.

  161. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    We now bring you the view from the Borderforce watchtower on Christmas Island, as news of the election results spreads through the Undocumented Maritime Transport Community on Java.

    Thanks very much, all you clowns who pi$$ed yourselves over medicare…

  162. notafan

    She also exposed last night that Turnbull has an even more tin ear than Abbott but is more detached from middle Australia than Abbott was.

    Yet social media allows us all to have an insight into Tony Abbott’s relationship with ‘middle Australia’ and the evidence of detachment simply isn’t there.

  163. egg_

    Her TV exposure gave insight into Abbotts problem as PM. She filled his personal capacity limitations and thus he increasingly relied on her to the point where the disgruntled believed , with good cause, that she was running the show.

    Methinks she was running the show, Abbott having been bitten by da misogyny, which is still doing the rounds today.

  164. Tel

    Australia does kind of need a Greek-style budget collapse. Sure, you have to go through some tough times but we need it, else we will just never capture the learning.

    This is for the good in the long run. The one issue no one talked about was government spending, and until that starts to be front and center we are still screwed. Everything else is bedtime stories.

  165. egg_

    Methinks she was running the show…

    Shitfully.

  166. Myrddin Seren

    “To reform the Liberal Party one needs to gain control of the branches”.

    There was a grass roots push in the NSW Libs to try and get more accountability at the top and responsiveness to the members. I think the insurgency was crushed and the guy leading it expelled.

    During his incumbency, TA wanted the Lobbyists off the State Executive. The two heaviest hitters, and one-time rivals, – Michael Photios and Nick Campbell – responded by

    joining forces in the Lobbyist business together;

    getting their tame President to table a motion that Executive members could appoint alternates for pre-selection votes;

    which was duly passed by the spear carriers on the Executive;

    Photios and Campbell then duly stood up, tapped two of the weakest links on the shoulder and told them to leave; and took their seats on the Executive; and voted through their pre-selection choices.

    I would bet Kroger’s influence in Victoria is similar. Not absolute – but powerful and unresponsive. Interstate Cats may have insights in their respective states.

    Grass roots reform is not going to happen. Most branch members are too old, too tired, too busy or too sick to attempt an insurgency. And the NSW example suggests any insurgency will be crushed by the factional machines – who then get back to their traditional pursuits of branch stacking and Young Libs biffo.

    We have a professional Political Class now – some sit on one side of the parliaments, some sit on the other – but their warlords all like the status quo and are not going to surrender their fiefdoms. I agree with the ‘Venezuela-Here-We-Come’ Cats.

  167. Senile Old Guy

    Abetz:

    But he said changes to superannuation were an issue of the government’s own making. “The issue of superannuation is very dear to the core base of the Liberal Party,” he said. “To have the certainty of that being compromised did send shock waves through that sector of the community that are our core supporters. “From right around Australia I got very strong feedback that that was not the way to go forth and I trust that we will revisit aspects of that policy.”

    A Turnbull-Morrison thought-bubble to sort of, start to think about, possibly reducing the deficit a tiny bit by increasing taxes on people saving for their retirement.

    A masterstroke! Brought to you by people on generous taxpayer funded retirement schemes.

  168. Myrddin Seren

    The one issue no one talked about was government spending, and until that starts to be front and center we are still screwed.

    Wormtongue Sinodinos touched on this one on Nine last night.

    The Coalition focus tests budget balancing and a lot of people say it is a good thing.

    Then the Coalition tests – ‘who should make the sacrifices to balance the budget ?’
    Response: “Anyone else but me and mine !’.

    Now arguably the Coalition could try and lead on this, but plainly with the likes of Sinodinos making it in to a position of influence in the Narcissist-in-Chief’s circle, the appetite for hard yards and tough decisions is gone.

    So the budget will inflate with new spending and the taxes, deficits and borrowings will grow – until they can’t grow any more.

    And the thing will go ‘pop’.

    And it is ‘Welcome to Caracas’ time.

  169. Yohan

    Kim Carr pointed out last night, the Liberals economic messaging was about the overall economy, nothing about the family finances, about ‘your’ financial prospects. Labor zeroed in on this.

  170. a happy little debunker

    custard #2078090, posted on July 3, 2016 at 9:30 am
    I am still so pleased that you tried, but failed – rather than Malcolm – who failed to even try!

    That is a badge of victory that you should wear with public pride – that win, lose or draw you will campaign with your convictions.

    I look forward with anticipation to your further ongoing thoughts (if they pass the mods) on the ‘funny pages’ that strike that ever so discordant ‘la-la-la’.

  171. Habib

    Chaos is our only hope now, the country will be ruled by an egotistical loser, in conflict with opportunistic cretins. This place seems too stupid to survive democracy.

  172. Robert O

    Ready for the new armada?

  173. Speedbox

    The electorate delivered a massive kick to the Libs and Turnbull in particular, but the LNP is likely (just) to retain power in the HoR. The Senate will be a dog’s breakfast. Turnbull and his coterie have detonated a clusterf*ck of epic proportions.

    IMO Turnbull is a lame duck and his days are numbered. Later this year I strongly doubt that the plebiscite will pass and blame for that will be sheeted directly to him. He is gone. It is only a matter of time.

  174. stackja

    MT conknifing has achieved the expected disaster.
    A little history:

    Australian federal election, 1943
    From Wikipedia
    The election remains Labor’s greatest federal victory in terms of proportion of seats and two-party votes in the lower house, and primary vote in the Senate.
    Percentage ALP 58.20% UAP/CP 41.80%

    Australian federal election, 1946
    From Wikipedia
    ALP 54.10% Coalition 45.90%
    Swing to Coalition 16.26%

    Australian federal election, 1949
    From Wikipedia
    The incumbent Australian Labor Party led by Prime Minister of Australia Ben Chifley was defeated by the opposition Liberal Party of Australia led by Robert Menzies with coalition partner the Country Party led by Arthur Fadden.
    Menzies broke new ground in using the radio as his primary method of reaching voters.
    Percentage LNP 51.00% ALP 49.00%

  175. Speedbox

    This place seems too stupid to survive democracy.

    Pithy and deadly accurate.

  176. stackja

    AEC National LNP 5,009,134 votes 50.11% ALP 4,988,070 49.89% Total votes 9,997,204 LNP Swing -3.38

  177. Dr Faustus

    I think the likes of the ABC commentariat are satisfied that the plebs don’t want economic freedom but rather government dependence. The Libs are already basically on side with that, because they don’t expect to be able to win without handouts.

    This is a basic truth.

    Unfortunately, it looks increasingly like there will be a Green/ALP alliance from the HoR through the Senate, either governing directly, or calling the shots. Which will add dramatically to the cost of all-party-blessed welfare freebies by:

    – Buying off the Senate populists;
    – Absurd investment in technically unachievable levels of renewable energy;
    – Contradictory manufacturing industry support – propping up that which your taxation/energy policies are destroying;
    – 50,000 refugees p.a.;
    – Boatloads of supplementary country shoppers;
    – Social engineering on an unprecedented scale: SSM, Safe Schools, multi-culti ethnic fine tuning, First People Treaties – a whole theme park of ways for government to interfere with human life.

    Depressingly predictable. In 10 years time the conversation will be all about how much of Australia has to be sold to which developing economy – China, or India.

    Not sure that I am up for funding all this.

  178. Harald

    According the AEC the Coalition incumbent is trailing in 20 seats, 19 of which to Labor, 1 to NXT.

    Those 20 do NOT include the seats of Chisholm (was Labor), Gilmore (was Liberal) and Dunkley (was Liberal) which they list as too close to call.

    So in total at the moment there are 22 Liberal seats (under threat of) changing hands. And 1 Labor seat.

    Labor must net 20 of these 23, at least to form government outright. Possible, but does not look very likely.
    Liberals must net 15 of these seats to form government outright. That means the Coalition needs to hold on to, sorted by current 2PP count increasingly against the Coalition:
    Dunkley
    Gimore
    Forde
    Hindmarch
    Capricornia

    So Capricornia is a must hold seat, and currently the incumbent Lib is trailing by 991 votes. And there are only 7,968 postal votes there.

    So if we are to believe the narrative that the Mediscare campaign was the problem, the postal vote should go relatively more to the Coalition. But then it needs to do so, so much as to make up 991 votes in 7,968 postal votes.

    Sorry, but that is simply not likely.

    The way this is shaping up, the most likely outcome is a hung parliament. That would be fantastic – absolutely the best possible outcome in this election.

    Call a leadership spill get rid of Turnbull, put Abbott back in there. And then win.

  179. Marcus Classis

    Sky says hung Parliament.

    It’s Time.

    It’s Time for Maolcolm to be officially anointed with his brand new title. The first he has ever earned by his Very Own Efforts.

    (Good doggie, have a biscuit)

    His Supreme Magnificence Lord Turdball the Treacherous, Lord of the Backstabbers, SCOAMF of the Elections, Scourge of the Public Fisc, Suckhole of passing muslims, Entitled Narcissist-in-Chief, Self-proclaimed Supreme being of the Universe.

    🙂

  180. The Coalition focus tests budget balancing and a lot of people say it is a good thing.

    Gloves are off now and LNP should run on labor’s plan to bankrupt Australia.

    No more subtlety and Mr nice guy from anyone with half a brain.

  181. PeterF

    How many seats did the Nationals lose?

  182. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    A hung oarlaoment gave us a carbon tax, Gonski, NDIS, a $400 billion budget blow out and leftism from arsehole to breakfast. Turnbull must be frothing with delight.

  183. PeterF

    Jackie will be pleased if it is a hung Parliament. God save us from pea-brains.

  184. Grumpy Racist Homophobe

    – 50,000 refugees p.a.;

    Multiple that by 10.

  185. Myrddin Seren

    In 10 years time the conversation will be all about how much of Australia has to be sold to which developing economy – China,

    If Labor squeaks in, I expect Richo to drag whatever is left of his carcass out to broker whatever deals he can to get Chinese investors in under whatever putative hurdles the Federal ALP might erect to try and sate the ‘wukkas’. Richo will hang in there to wring yet another huge payday out of this, and it won’t take ten years.

  186. Slayer of Memes

    Something that should be noted to those that say the Libs lost..

    Malcontent Termite ran this entire campaign spruiking ‘the Turnbull team’…

    This result is a MASSIVE slap-in-the-face to ‘Team Turnbull’ which, unfortunately in some respects, will only be felt by the Liberals (it’s never malcolm’s fault..)

  187. Harald

    Has Sinc already declared officially that Turnbull is a dud? 🙂

  188. Marcus Classis

    Greenfilth on Sky, ‘we are unstoppable’. Barking mad swivel eyed loons banging on about glowball warmenating, all renewballs, wealth through debt, da waaaaaycism, dat eeeebil debbildebbil coal – and forming a formal coalition government with The Accused Rapist and the squandermonkeys.

    All whiteys, of course. They don’t want any nasty brown-skinned people in THEIR club.

  189. stackja

    Slayer of Memes
    #2078400, posted on July 3, 2016 at 12:39 pm
    Something that should be noted to those that say the Libs lost..

    Malcontent Termite ran this entire campaign spruiking ‘the Turnbull team’…

    This result is a MASSIVE slap-in-the-face to ‘Team Turnbull’ which, unfortunately in some respects, will only be felt by the Liberals (it’s never malcolm’s fault..)

    Yes MT was on all the advertising. But now it is someone else’s fault. MT thinks this is like a business, try some thing and if it does not work, just shut up the business.

  190. Slayer of Memes

    Has Sinc already declared officially that Turnbull is a dud?

    He claims he punished Turnbull at the (pre-poll) ballot box

    ..but no, he has never come out and said that Malcolm was a dud, only that he ‘could’ have been great…

  191. Harald

    Last I recall, for Sinc it depended on the election result.

  192. H B Bear

    Best not to verbal Sinc while he is in the jungle.

    As a potentially great PM Waffleworth is off to a very ordinary start you would have to say.

  193. HRT

    Myrddin Seren
    #2078331, posted on July 3, 2016 at 11:45 am
    The one issue no one talked about was government spending, and until that starts to be front and center we are still screwed.

    I think spending can be cut but, only if the cuts begin at the top. Lesson No 1 in leadership is that the best generals lead from the front.

    An obvious starting point is parliamentary pensions. I think any leader who is able to persuade his party that parliamentarians must transfer to a scheme similar to that enjoyed by most Australians will not have a big problem persuading the voters they too need to take a hit in their benefits.

    Likewise, making parliamentarians wait until age 65 before they can draw their pension would also help persuade voters they too need to accept cuts.

    However, I agree getting the time servers (and particularly the ex union drones) to accept this would be very difficult.

    FWIW I heard Pauline H advocating the abolition of the existing rort on Alan Jones’ programme. If she gets in and holds the balance of power and and insists on abolition, she will surely be regarded as one of the most consequential persons in politics we have seen.

    She will be regarded even more highly if she ensures parliamentarians cannot hold a tax payer funded position until they have been out of office for say four years.

  194. Harald

    Sky keeps showing that “Liberal Sources” say the Coalition could win between 73 and 76 seats.

    If you go and dive into the numbers at the AEC, of the seats where Coalition incumbents currently are trailing the count as well as the seats to close too call, I really do not see how they can get to 76.
    Likely 70-72, I would say, and a realistic upper limit of 74.

  195. faceache

    I am in the seat of Brand in WA. When I went to vote I was initially given HOR form for the electorate of Canning. Go figure. Also, who the fuck is “custard”. If someone has a name then use it.

  196. Harald

    Most likely the Coalition are clinging to the possibility of getting 76 to create the appearance of a negotiating position as Turnbull is on the phone with the crossbench trying to get a deal to keep him in power – a deal tied to him personally: if the deal falls, then the government falls.

    That would mean he’s on the phone with the Greens and NXT, not Katter.

  197. John Constantine

    Run down by manboobs shortfilth.

    Roll that phrase off your tongue.

    This must make the leader of team turnmerkel the Hon. Frederick Threepwood of Australian politics.

    I withdraw suggestions that Lord Emsworth has a similarity to the prime minister.

    Obviously their liberal party is Freddie from the castle at play at the drones club.

    Who else in Aussie politics could have been run down by shorten?, the defence minister? Besides the Empress of Blandings, even Mandy vanny might have a chance.

    Run down by shorten.

    Poor fella my country.

  198. Makka

    “A hung oarlaoment gave us a carbon tax, Gonski, NDIS, a $400 billion budget blow out and leftism from arsehole to breakfast. Turnbull must be frothing with delight.”

    Consider it a medicine we have to take to get better.

  199. Art Vandelay

    While I’m definitely no fan of Abbott, he at least would have hammered Shorten over union corruption, the ALP’s proposed carbon tax, border control, higher taxes, the deficit etc. Turnbull first raised these points in his ‘concession speech’ last night!

    Abbott demolished both Rudd and Gillard even though they had the protection of the media and would have made short work of Shorten. Shorten may be slightly more competent than Rudd and Gillard but he’s still a clueless union hack.

    Neither side deserved to win and at least it looks like the electorate got that right.

  200. mundi

    I hope we have a hung parliament, neither side able to government, and go back to the polls with new leadership.

  201. mundi

    If they get to 76 with independants, we will be shinangians of appointing a speaker who instantly resigns? 75 won’t be enough for the votes? Or is there convention that labor drops one vote?

  202. Harald

    No convention. If they only have 75, then they will have to find an independent speaker, or scrape through with invoking the deciding speaker vote.

  203. dragnet

    The National Party lost no seats. In fact, it gained one – Murray from the Liberals. Which is what I was getting at upthread – Barnaby should be leveraging the result like hell, if not cutting loose from the Libs altogether.

  204. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    No government. All is good with the world while this lasts.

  205. Ubique

    I’m pleased to say that in the course of the entire election campaign I didn’t watch or listen to a single political advert and I refused to watch any of the so-called debates about irrelevant rubbish. Being in Fremantle no one even bothered putting electioneering material in our letterbox. Bliss. Turnbull didn’t disappoint as I knew he was a poisonous dud all along. If the Libs need to break up to expel him and the other progressive cuckoos, so be it.

  206. Harald

    Turnbull is now buying time. He needs to negotiate with the Greens what the new ETS and boat-policy should look like and with Nick how high he would like his tariffs.

  207. Harald

    Counting only to resume on Tuesday. Why not earlier?

  208. JC

    No government. All is good with the world while this lasts.

    When Clinton shut down the government because the GOP refused to spend as much as he wanted them to, Clinton’s advisors eventually told him to negotiate a truce because as time wore on they noticed people weren’t missing the government all that much.

  209. JC

    How can we possibly make it through life if there’s no government for a few days?

  210. Snoopy

    Counting only to resume on Tuesday. Why not earlier?

    Only counting postals now. I assume that they will count Monday’s mail on Tuesday.

  211. C.L.

    I predict six boats by the end of the month.

  212. John Constantine

    Their ABC activist for Murray, their sharman stone was just NFG.

    The new nat replacing her is of course related to ABC royalty as well as Tory royalty, dunno if it makes much difference to mix socially with them, but it seems to help a bit.

  213. Marcus

    There’s never been a more exciting time to be Nick Xenophon.

  214. Clam Chowdah

    This could end up being a defeat for the true believers. Beauty!

  215. Snoopy

    C.L.
    #2078477, posted on July 3, 2016 at 1:35 pm
    I predict six boats by the end of the month.

    After all this and CL is still an optimist. Respect!

  216. Viva

    No government. All is good with the world while this lasts.

    So say the people smugglers to our north as they crank up their business …

  217. Artist Formerly Known As Infidel Tiger

    Even Xylophone thinks the ALP advertising was misleading and deceptive.

  218. Ubique

    Misleading and deceptive is the Green/Labor brand. Proves how out of touch Turdbull is to be surprised by it.

  219. custard

    Not sure if I have this right but will WA’s senate look something like this?

    LNP 5
    ALP4
    GRN2
    Hanson 1

  220. Rob MW

    Personally I think that the informal party ran the best campaign and had an extremely good outcome this election cycle. The informal’s, who apparently don’t matter on the one hand, but command the 3rd or 4th largest bloc of votes for the house of reps on the other, have spoken softly, promised nothing, abused no one and appear to be waiting for people, policies, freedom and liberty to have their go instead of the steadily increasing tyranny of the suffocating socialist liberal party, the hard left socialist labor party and the totalitarian communist green party.

  221. Muddy

    Could you spare some change, mate?
    In order for change to happen, there are two prerequisites: willingness and capacity. Not everyone is capable of recognising the need for change in their lives. Narcissists, for example, are cognitively incapable of critical self-evaluation and therefore see no need to change what appears to be working for them. Some organisations possess anthropomorphic characteristics and may be similarly incapable of recognising their own flaws. Willingness without capacity is redundant.
    In other words, the voltage was far too low to provide more than a pleasant tingling, and the patient’s comfort in stasis remains.
    This has been a Muddy Community Service announcement.

  222. James

    Can you even imagine the screams of the leftists if Abbott came back as opposition leader?

    Even his worst enemies admit Abbott is highly skilled at tearing down ALP Prime Ministers.

  223. Tim

    Malcolm Turnbull is certainly the smartest man in the room but only when in the toilet

  224. James

    Even better for those like me with long memories.

    Can you imagine An Abbott opposituon having to negotiate with Pauline Hanson?

    Holy crap that would be entertaining.

  225. Muddy

    Misleading and deceptive is the Green/Labor brand. Proves how out of touch Turdbull is to be surprised by it.
    I would class it as a catastrophic failure of political intelligence and a testicle-crushing incapacity to act on the same.

  226. stackja

    James
    #2078544, posted on July 3, 2016 at 2:22 pm
    Even better for those like me with long memories.

    Can you imagine An Abbott opposituon having to negotiate with Pauline Hanson?

    Holy crap that would be entertaining.

    We shall see. I do not see PH supporting ALP.

  227. Rob MW

    In order for change to happen, there are two prerequisites: willingness and capacity. – neither are any good without time and patience amigo.

  228. Monkey's Uncle

    People who believe that Abbott would have done better than Turnbull in this election are delusional. Had Abbott stayed on as leader Bill Shorten would have already claimed a majority government. The electorate had made up their minds about Abbott and were simply no longer listening.

    Of course Turnbull is a dud. He is a vastly overrated politician with little ability to engage with the voters that matter on the ground that matters. And he didn’t pursue Labor as aggressively as Abbott would have done on a range of areas where they were vulnerable. But for all that, he is simply not as strongly disliked by much of the electorate as Abbott is, and there would have been a hell of a lot more baseball bats out for the government if Abbott was still PM.

    The Coalition was right to topple Abbott, but probably foolish in thinking Turnbull was the best alternative. The bigger problem is that Turnbull has never been a viable long term leader. His role was largely to help ‘save the furniture’ in the same fashion as Rudd was there to help Labor avoid losing more heavily in 2013.

  229. J.H.

    Kool Aid Kid
    #2078234, posted on July 3, 2016 at 10:44 am
    Clever Kates. I note he doesn’t nominate his preferred leader, so let’s assume Abbott. In which case we reinstate the man who so royally screwed up that his own colleagues punted him in the first term. Brilliant. Or perhaps we go with Morrison, who has done such a fine job in Treasury? Who then? Kates????
    Alternatively, check out the political landscape: it is very hard to imagine any government in this parliament that will not face great difficulty with any sensible agenda. Perhaps Xenophon will support the Coalition, but he will want concessions for South Australia. Greens will only support Labor. Hanson will demand an end to free trade agreements and migration etc. Lambie is unpredictable other than on defence salaries and money for Tasmania. And so on.
    If you claim this Kates you are in need of urgent assistance.
    ———————————————————————————-

    Well I will. Cory Bernardi as the next leader….. Tony Abbott with a front bench position, probably education. Compromise nothing in the Senate. Go to the polls as soon as possible. Promote liberalism. Have nothing to do with the Leftist media, elevate our own commentariat’s public visibility by actually using it.

    Forget the Senate for the meantime, let it be irrelevant if it wants to. It doesn’t matter if Government doesn’t pass legislation… Simply reallocate funds and starve certain bureaucracies to death. Nothing to do with the Senate….. etc.

    The liberalists need to get a bit of mongrel in them and a lot more canny.

  230. H B Bear

    We shall see. I do not see PH supporting ALP.

    Ask the Australian Democrats about how negotiating outcomes with the major parties go when you rely on protest vote to get elected.

  231. Habib

    That pompous, arrogant prick reckons it’s everyone’s fault but his. He won’t go willingly, and I doubt the Liberal party of today has the gonads to neck the bastard. They deserve what they’ve got, and going by the mongs, mouth-breathers, window-lickers and absolutely rude and mannerless c#*ts I had to deal with yesterday, a large percentage of the population deserve what they’ve got coming. I’m looking into what’s involved in being professionally registered in NZ and the UK, this dump has had the dick.

  232. stackja

    H B Bear
    #2078561, posted on July 3, 2016 at 2:32 pm
    We shall see. I do not see PH supporting ALP.

    Ask the Australian Democrats about how negotiating outcomes with the major parties go when you rely on protest vote to get elected.

    Greens and ALP?

  233. Mat

    Personally I don’t have an issue with a hung parliament. The real quandary – paracord or piano wire? ?

  234. Tel

    Even Xylophone thinks the ALP advertising was misleading and deceptive.

    Even the hard core socialists regard it as fraud.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016/06/27/medi-j27.html

    Labor’s claim to defend Medicare is a monumental lie. In the first place, it was the last Labor government, from 2007 to 2013, that stepped up the assault on Medicare in 2013 by freezing the payments to GP doctors, increasingly forcing them to charge upfront fees to see patients. The Liberal-National Coalition government then extended the freeze until 2020, continuing a pattern of successive governments cutting back rebates to doctors.

    Moreover, three weeks ago, as part of Labor’s bid to satisfy the financial markets and win business backing, Shorten dropped Labor’s previous promises to restore the $57 billion to be stripped from public hospital funding over the next decade. This will ensure the continued running down of the hospital system, regardless of which parties form government after July 2.

    Shorten accused the Coalition of preparing to privatise Medicare by outsourcing its payments system, but the last Labor government had almost identical plans. It also effectively privatised all disability services, introducing a totally outsourced National Disability Insurance Scheme.

  235. stackja

    Habib
    #2078562, posted on July 3, 2016 at 2:33 pm
    That pompous, arrogant prick reckons it’s everyone’s fault but his. He won’t go willingly, and I doubt the Liberal party of today has the gonads to neck the bastard. They deserve what they’ve got, and going by the mongs, mouth-breathers, window-lickers and absolutely rude and mannerless c#*ts I had to deal with yesterday, a large percentage of the population deserve what they’ve got coming. I’m looking into what’s involved in being professionally registered in NZ and the UK, this dump has had the dick.

    Australia survived Gough, just!

  236. H B Bear

    Greens aren’t a protest vote. They are a refuge for ALP supporters who think they aren’t left enough.

  237. Tel

    Not that I would read… you know… just stumbled in to it. 🙂

  238. Muddy

    neither are any good without time and patience amigo.
    I’m not sure of your point there Rob. Surely you’re not suggesting that we need to be more patient than we’ve already been? I have a high pain threshold, but there’s only so many times you can let someone pierce your nipple until the sucker is shredded (pun intended).

  239. Monkey's Uncle

    Can you even imagine the screams of the leftists if Abbott came back as opposition leader?

    The chances of that happening are still small (both the Coalition going into opposition and Abbott returning as leader), but it would be beautiful schadenfreude if it were to happen.

    After all, they could say to the leftists ‘you had your preferred leader in Turnbull, and your tore him down. So now you are back to Abbott’. Even though Abbott was a hopeless PM, he is a brutally effective opposition leader and would make short work of a Shorten government.

  240. Harald

    Thanks Snoopy. That would indeed make sense.

    The narrative now being spun up is that the postal vote is generally more leaning towards the Coalition, and this Mediscare campaign effect is pushed, which – it is claimed – caused the rout in the lost Lib seats. So we can be “quietly confident” that the Coalition will be able to form government.

    That is not what it looks like to me.

    If you go back to the AEC published results for the 2013 election, indeed you can see in the seats concerned, there is a higher Coalition postal vote, than overall Coalition vote. But the difference is not enough to claw back the ground lost in Capricornia, for example:

    Coalition does about 5% better in the primary postal votes then the overall vote in Capricornia.
    On a postal vote of 8000 total, they’d have to claw 991 votes: that is a 12% better Coalition vote in the postal vote than in the general vote. This is simply not likely. Moreover, it is exactly those conservative voters who use postal votes; exactly those who’d have a problem with Malcolm. And for the Coalition to get to 75, Capricornia is a must-win seat.

    If you go one up, to Hindmarch:
    In 2013 there was a small difference between postal votes and general votes: about 2-3% in primary votes.
    Coalition 380 votes behind, with 7,843 postal votes to be counted. That means the Coalition would have to do ~5% better on the resulting 2PP postal vote to claw back the 380 votes. Again… that is possible, but not a shoe-in.

    It is very doubtful there are enough postal votes in the game yet, for the Coalition to remain viable. It very much looks like they will get up to about 72-73 seats or so, maximum 74, and have lost government.

    Two possibilities as to what is going on right now:
    Turnbull is right now negotiating with Greens and NXT, and the “quietly confident” stuff is just a ploy to win time.
    Or Turnbull has real problems accepting reality.

    Could it really be that he’s just not getting it? I am starting to think so…

  241. stackja

    Tel
    #2078567, posted on July 3, 2016 at 2:36 pm

    Henny Penny, more commonly known in the United States as Chicken Little and sometimes as Chicken Licken, is a folk tale with a moral in the form of a cumulative tale about a chicken who believes the world is coming to an end. The phrase “The sky is falling!” features prominently in the story, and has passed into the English language as a common idiom indicating a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent.

    Most of the mediscare ads were by ACTU.

  242. Makka

    “People who believe that Abbott would have done better than Turnbull in this election are delusional. Had Abbott stayed on as leader Bill Shorten would have already claimed a majority government.”

    Rubbish. Yes Abbott fkd up as PM but this Lib campaign was an unmitigated disaster. Abbott would have wiped the floor with Shorten in this campaign and not turned away nearly as many of the conservative base. Shorten was absolutely petrified of Abbott but sees an ally of sorts in Malturd. The election result would have been better for the Libs. Perhaps not by much but certainly better. The fact is Malturd has turned out to be the same old dud he was first time he led the Libs.

  243. Snoopy

    What a pity Abbott with Greens support repealed Rudd’s debt ceiling. It would be a most useful mechanism now.

  244. Goanna

    Mediscare. If the Liberals had any nous they would have doubled the scare stakes and gone hard on “Borderscare.” But not this pathetic lot.
    Did Malcolm believe his brilliance alone would carry the day.

  245. stackja

    Makka
    #2078577, posted on July 3, 2016 at 2:40 pm
    “People who believe that Abbott would have done better than Turnbull in this election are delusional. Had Abbott stayed on as leader Bill Shorten would have already claimed a majority government.”

    Rubbish. Yes Abbott fkd up as PM but this Lib campaign was an unmitigated disaster. Abbott would have wiped the floor with Shorten in this campaign and not turned away nearly as many of the conservative base. Shorten was absolutely petrified of Abbott but sees an ally of sorts in Malturd. The election result would have been better for the Libs. Perhaps not by much but certainly better. The fact is Malturd has turned out to be the same old dud he was first time he led the Libs.

    Can MT’s ego handle defeat? TA did not quit after Kev07.

  246. Senile Old Guy

    People who believe that Abbott would have done better than Turnbull in this election are delusional. Had Abbott stayed on as leader Bill Shorten would have already claimed a majority government. The electorate had made up their minds about Abbott and were simply no longer listening.

    And people were saying exactly the same thing prior to the last election, which Abbott won in a landslide.

    Turnbull knifed Abbott when he did because it was his last chance to be PM. It was always about Mal’s ambition and ego and nothing to do with what was best for the LNP or Australia.

    Abbott would probably have won this election but with a reduced majority.

    The LNP lost conservative voters who refused to vote for Turnbull.

  247. TD

    Many of us knew the rot started when Abbott was deposed. It was all going to end in a vale of tears and such has now passed.

    So I hope Cats will not object to me putting down some more thoughts as we try to make sense of this disaster.

    CRAP CAMPAIGN

    Because as we wake up to the wreckage, we need to identify where the campaign went wrong. Otherwise we learn nothing and hand power to Albanese’s ALP.

    We lost against a much weaker opposition. At least at Williamsburg the two sides were evenly matched. In this case, the LNP was in a far stronger position than the ALP. Turnbull has gifted them this result through his own ineptitude.

    It was a shambolic campaign, poorly conceived and badly executed. To defeat the ALP, we needed a short, aggressive, hard campaign. The LNP needed to give us Operation Desert Storm. What we got was the American Civil War’s Williamsburg, an inconclusive mess.

    Predictably, the campaign was a slow moving train wreck. Some observations:

    i. Length. The length put everyone to sleep and effectively made the electorate disinterested and fodder for rival parties.

    ii. Rejection of Key Allies. Turnbull refused to reach out or work with extremely powerful conservative media. Instead he courted ALP media and blathered on about issues that mattered to them. Inevitable happens – electorate goes to sleep, conservative base becomes aggrieved, electorate becomes uncertain and doubtful. The ALP sense opportunity where none existed – and take advantage.

    iii. Complicated Messaging. Take the superannuation policy. To further complicate things they released a policy that was impossible to understand. Remember the simplicity of ’Stop the Boats’? Gone. The ALP couldn’t believe their luck.

    iv. No Aggression. The biggest weakness for me was the lack of any aggression. The ALP needed to be put on the back foot on Day 1, instead they were allowed to run onto the field and play. Consider:

    – Where was the personal attack on Shorten. The man who was an architect of the RuddGillardRudd disaster. The Union leader who betrayed his own members and was directly in the fire of the Royal Commission. Where were the attack ads and daily targeting of The Gillard Gang (Plibersek, Wong, Burke, Bowen etc – all who have been returned with big swings). But particularly Shorten. He needed to be tarred, feathered and pilloried in the public square a daily basis. No, its not pleasant. But its deserved, given what he has done.

    And it is very effective.

    But I saw nothing. Shorten is no genius, but he’s politically astute. He took full advantage, presenting himself as the family man going on informal jogs, hanging out with his wife etc etc. Turnbull’s team let him back into the game.

    – Also there’s not much use going after the ALP machine with the police over Medicare now. Why weren’t they sent in during the campaign itself and as soon as the scare and lie was discovered? Like I said, no aggression.

    There are no doubt other errors and mistakes Cats can point to in this rolled gold disaster, but they are the ones top of mind for me.

    HUBRIS

    In his arrogance, Turnbull and his team assumed that they would win and that no one would ever support Shorten and The Greens. This infected their entire approach. They were not nearly aggressive enough against Shorten and the ALP’s dirty tactics. They did not explain their approach nearly well enough. Also Turnbull didn’t work as hard as Shorten did. Apparently over the last 2 days, Turnbull barely did anything, while Shorten was everywhere.

    The best example of hubris was Turnbull hosting islamic extremists who support killing homosexuals in Parliament House. It has to go down as one of the most insane, stupid, weird (insert synonym/ word) and disgraceful things I have ever seen by any PM.

    It was so crazy, insensitive and inappropriate (esp given the terror attack against gays in Orlando just days before) that I assumed we were somehow being given a misleading story. Then when it transpired it actually happened, I thought was that some junior adviser was responsible.

    But then I thought, wait a minute. No, you are wrong. This is Malcolm Turnbull we are thinking about.

    Malcolm would have thought it was a wonderful expression of solidarity with moderate Islam and another opportunity to show what a modern, progressive leader he is. In his delusion, he thinks he knows best and is better than other people.

    He would have lost tens of thousands of votes on that night alone. A spectacular own goal by a fool.

    Arrogance and poor judgement. Again.

    PLAYING NICE

    It doesn’t matter whether you’re in politics, business, sport or any other competitive endeavour – if you underestimate the opposition and overestimate your own abilities, you are playing a risky game. Surely with the ALPs track record of playing dirty and fighting hard, the starting point for Turnbull and his team should have been ‘lets assume that we are the underdog, that they will fight dirty and plan on that basis. Let’s come out and hit them hard, big blows that put them on the defensive.’

    Compare and contrast. Turnbull had visions of being Australia’s first President and ushering in a new, bold era of centrist conservatism like David Cameron. He went around trying to be Mr Nice guy in that patronising patrician style he has cultivated over the years. Shorten and the ALP goons were out there campaigning hard, ripping down LNP posters, scaring people with Medicare lies, trying every trick in the book.

    Yes, the ALP don’t play fair or nice. But Turnbull and his team should have known they wouldn’t ages ago. They had no plan at all. Incompetent.

    GOING FORWARD?

    So – going forward, what needs to happen? Ideas:

    1. Clear out the decks. Turnbull and his key backers have to go and be replaced with a new team. Build from there, even if it means losing the next election.
    2. We need a hard, experienced general. Unless someone else can be found, Abbott has to return, even if its just to get things back on an even keel before handing over the reins.
    3. Toughen the new team up. Accept the ALP are a tough adversary, fight accordingly.
    4. Get rid of people with no life experience from advisory and ministerial roles. We need real, genuine people, not student politicians who have always lived in Canberra and the LNP bubble. Think more of Barnaby Joyce and less of Wyatt Roy.
    5. Reconnect with friends and influencers. Doesn’t matter if you don’t like them (e.g. Jones, Hadley etc). They are powerful friends in the cause.
    6. Be conservative. Define and sell policies that help Australians. No it isn’t sexy. But that’s what you are there for. Get on with it.
    7. Respect the base. Listen to their concerns and reach out to them.
    8. Fight hard and aggressively. Abbott did this really well and it scared the living daylights out of them. The ALP is a target rich environment. Take them out.

    Lets see if anything happens. Turnbull – predictably – thinks this is a great result. Such the delusion of the man. So I’m not holding my breath!

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