Stop blaming Turnbull

On Saturday the Liberals discovered they were elected to govern and not born to rule.

Given the numbers I expect a hung Parliament (House of Representatives actually) and, given how the ‘independents’ will break, Bill Shorten should soon be the seventh PM in under ten years. This is entirely due to the Delcon dummy spit and will be a test of the James Allan hypothesis that a one term Labor government will allow the Liberals to rediscover their principles in opposition and return to office espousing the conservative values that Jim holds so dear.

But I digress.

Conservatives are out in force blaming Malcolm Turnbull for the election debacle. To be sure an early, winter, double dissolution, election wasn’t a smart move. Being first amongst equals means that Turnbull has to carry the ultimate responsibility.

Here is Rita Panihi:

“It’s better to die on your feet than live on your knees,” said Mexican revolutionary Emiliano Zapata. It’s worse still to die on your knees which is the fate of the Coalition under Turnbull.

Here is Andrew Bolt:

TONY Abbott must return as leader of the shattered Liberals after Saturday’s election disaster.

Let’s not over-react. Malcolm Turnbull never lied to me.

The Liberals have a culture problem – not a Turnbull problem or even an Abbott problem. They have a ‘take our friends for granted’ problem. As I’ve suggested before they break their promises to their friends and keep their promises to their enemies. Liberal voters bear the brunt of Labor’s redistributive politics of envy and are then expected to make sacrifices in the ‘national interest’.

The Super ‘reforms’ are just the latest example of this; and people have woken up to it. Just last week Julie Bishop was offering to ‘explain’:

Asked about the backlash today, Ms Bishop said she planned to explain to Liberal members in Curtin that most would be unaffected by the moves.

“I will be sitting down with those branch members and advising them of the changes and that 96 per cent of superannuants will either be better off or not affected,” she said.

“And so I will be able to go through the particular circumstance with each branch member and I am sure that they will see that what we are seeking to do is maintain integrity in our superannuation system, make it fairer and ensure that it is fit for its intended purpose — that is for retirement income.

Instead of abandoning a policy that their voters hated, the Liberals were going to ‘explain’ the policy.

That is the problem. The Liberals have failed because they have become disconnected from their roots. Both Abbott and Turnbull are guilty – so blaming one or the other won’t improve Liberal prospects at the next election. There needs to be a change in culture, not just the leadership.

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348 Responses to Stop blaming Turnbull

  1. banz

    Mitch, there are all sorts of conservatives, you may even have those who support the left side of politics who are fiscally conservative…anti immigration..etc.

    There is a base there, bigger than many think, look for it on both sides, there is a movement away from the 2 partys and it aint going green.

    If you believe that the liberal party was not punished by cons, then fair enough, I wont eat your lunch for that. I know it was, I did it, were we material? I think so, I also believe that Labor took damage, people are tired of these 2 corrupt orgs.

    Those numbers will increase over time.

  2. Gab

    Sinc has not only jumped the shark, he decided to strap one to each foot and take a victory lap around the lake.

    and in a tartan mankini too!

  3. Carbon Emitter

    Sinclair will never let the facts spoil his ‘love’ for the Lord of Wentworth the greatest pretender of them all. The one man ‘Turnbull Coalition Party’ is relevant no more.

  4. Leigh Lowe

    Leigh Lowe at 12:39:

    Where’s the evidence of a ‘delcon’ dummy spit?

    I dunno.
    Maybe you could ask Wyatt Roy … or Luke Simpkins … or Peter Hendy.

    I’m going to clock Luke Simpkins up as one of yours. According to wikipedia, correct me if this is wrong:

    I will correct your error.
    By all acoounts (and he hasn’t denied it) Simpkins voted for Turnbull.
    Irrespective of any other policy stance, the fundamental position of “Delcons” is that treachery be punished.
    The evidence is overwhelming that those who led the plot copped a swing of something like 3-4% above the average, and it can’t be localised. Of the ones I named, one is NSW, one is Queensland and one is WA.
    Your apology is accepted.

  5. Ragu

    If you write on your ballot, vote Alfed E Nueman, then it goes into the informal pile. But you still turned up to get your name checked.

  6. banz

    is Mitch Aussie pundit ffs?

  7. JC

    In regards to Pauline Hanson, it’s well known Tony Abbott helped put her in jail.

    Abbott convicted her? How did he actually help put her in jail? She went court, found guilty and convicted. I don’t quite see the Abbott dead hand in this process.

  8. JC

    MT is rich and seems to lacks the common touch.
    BS has the unions.
    The people need someone. Neither MT or BS is that person.

    So partially because he’s rich makes him a worthless candidate?

  9. calli

    That AEC Turnout by State – presumably includes prepolls and postals?

    Seventy five percent nationwide. Apart from the customary no hopers and non conformists, it might mean that conservatives who couldn’t bring themselves to spoil their ballot decided to cop the fine instead.

  10. Ragu

    Barton (NSW)

    Enrolment:106,566
    Turnout:75.58%
    Informality:8.97%

    Envelopes awaiting processing Total 7,325

    I can’t see 24.42% of votes waiting around for a massage

  11. Rabz

    I don’t quite see the Abbott dead hand in this process.

    We need to question the role Tony Abbott played in this, JC.

    As for Hanson’s return, yet again the electorate shows it has learned nothing.

  12. Leigh Lowe

    If you write on your ballot, vote Alfed E Nueman, then it goes into the informal pile. But you still turned up to get your name checked.

    Yes.
    Technically the phrase “being fined for not voting” should read “being fined for not having your name crossed off the roll“.

  13. Rabz

    I can’t see 24.42% of votes waiting around for a massage

    Gee, it’s a good thing we have compulsory voting, innit?

  14. Mitch

    Leigh,

    I would argue what you’ve achieved is to shift the Liberal Party to the left as the seat losses have overwhelmingly been those of conservatives. Oh, and potentially given Bill Shorten the Prime Ministership. I don’t know how that could be called an achievement on your part.

  15. Rabz

    conservatives who couldn’t bring themselves to spoil their ballot decided to cop the fine instead

    I was almost one them Calli – ended up having to invoke the saying “no man ever became wealthy by paying voluntary taxes”, which got me off to the polling place, eventually.

  16. JC

    If tits gets the bog job, whats the bet the lying slapper is made US ambassador? Can you imagine the slapper and the shampoo salesman representing our interests in Washington? That’s where its heading.

  17. Rabz

    Can you imagine the slapper and the shampoo salesman representing our interests in Washington?

    Yes, unfortunately, I can. I’m sure Timbo and the Trumpster would get on like the proverbial house fire.

  18. notafan

    Facebook has some entertaining pics of alternative choice ballot papers.

    Kudos to the people who went to some trouble to illustrate a point.

  19. Diogenes

    Maybe you could ask Wyatt Roy … or Luke Simpkins … or Peter Hendy.

    Peter Hendy was a self inflicted kill shot. He had a marginal, but didn’t treat as one, eg sitting in the Canberra Press Gallery when his volunteers were in the freezing cold manning pre-polls – never sighted at a pre-poll to buck up the troops , didn’t door knock, missed quite a few local functions, all noted and used as a reason not to vote for him etc etc .

    Over a quarter of enrolled voters did not turn up?

    Probably not – they are talking abut record numbers of absentee votes – that’s what happens when the smartest man in parliament calls an election in the middle of holidays for some states, and the first weekend for others. – Peoples are the move. Heard some interesting comments whilst waiting the queue at my local Coles (refuse to use the self scan) – a few whingeing they had to change holiday plans because of the election one was telling – “that fuckwit cost me $200, no way I would vote for him”.

  20. Ellen of Tasmania

    Great comment, Roger at 9:12am

    Yes, thanks Roger.

    Thoughtful comment also by Alex Davidson at 11.26.

    The Liberal Party’s principles:

    We Believe:

    Seems the Libs need a reformation.

  21. So when Tony Abbott is a bad PM, it’s his fault.

    And when Malcolm Turnbull is a bad PM, it’s our fault.

    Thank goodness we’ve sorted that out.

  22. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I’ll happily turn out for a by-election anytime soon in Wentworth.
    Public money well spent.
    The Liberal Party needs to reaffirm its principles and raison d’etre.
    Sinc is right on that one.

  23. Nanuestalker

    Doomlord: “m0nty, I am your father”

  24. Anne

    Pencils down!

    That’s quite funny Anne.

    Thanks IT, but that one does the rounds every election. 🙂

    —————–

    I have to say this is a really interesting Vox populi type thread.

    So many great comments.

  25. Gab

    Doomlord: “m0nty, I am your father”

    LOL!

  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I was almost one them Calli – ended up having to invoke the saying “no man ever became wealthy by paying voluntary taxes”, which got me off to the polling place, eventually.

    Aha. That’s my kind of properly liberal thinking, Rabz. 🙂
    I felt much the same. In the end, I persuaded myself that as a cultural Christian rather than a believing one I should wander in and do my Christian duty as a Fellow Traveller. Yes, the vote for the Christian Democrats did grow in Wentworth this time round in comparison to last time. I voted Liberal last time because of Abbott, Turnbull was just the local member then. He should have stayed there; it is the acme of his achievement, and even that was gained by knifing the sitting member in that blue ribbon seat.

  27. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    I have to say this is a really interesting Vox populi type thread.

    The Vox of the Cat Populus is always xtra-interesting in times of trial and crisis and celebration.

    Deadman, come back. On formal occasions we need the input of a proper Latin scholar. 🙂

  28. Abbott and his mates left a lot of ticking time bombs for Turnbull. They floated and then dropped so many good policies – changing/getting rid of 18C (dropped), the GP co-payment (floated, discussed in various formats, then dropped). And then there were many useless MPs who somehow slipped in to parliament under his watch: how on earth did Sophie Mirabella get a second run in the seat of Indi? She was a figure of national ridicule, and so graceless that in her election campaign she pulled stunts like shoving her opponent (Cathy McGowan) out of photo-ops *in front of gathered ABC reporters*. That was once a safe coalition seat, and Mirabella’s stupidity and selfishness has lost it for a generation.

    Now we can blame Turnbull for some things. But let’s not forget that Abbott had by that time a record of stuff ups as PM and would likely have kept on making them right until election day.

  29. Senile Old Guy

    Probably not – they are talking abut record numbers of absentee votes – that’s what happens when the smartest man in parliament calls an election in the middle of holidays for some states, and the first weekend for others.

    Now that’s just not fair! Not fair at all!

    Turnbull gave people plenty of notice so that they could change their plans to suit his. That’s more than reasonable; it’s downright gracious.

    No wonder he got a bit cross on Saturday night.

  30. What ever it takes

    Jeb Turnbull didn’t stand a chance against the Teamsters, maybe Lucy is the brains in the family. Time to go away and relax with his Henson’s now.

  31. I am the Walras, Equilibrate, and Price-Take

    So it’s MY fault that Lord Waffleworth looks like getting the arse, is it?

    I’ll get the champagne.

    Where’s Aussie Pundit? I could do wiv a larf.

    And am eagerly awaiting Fred Lenin’s contribution.

  32. Carbon Emitter

    TimT – you can like a lot of people proselytise as much as you like but the reality is that ‘Lord Wentworth’ the Messiah has led the ‘Turnbull Coalition Party’ to utter defeat. It was not Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party. The supporters of the Messiah should swallow their pride and admit his stupendous failings.

  33. Ripper

    It was not Tony Abbott and the Liberal Party.

    It would have been worse if Abbott had not pleaded with the base to vote for them “even through gritted teeth”.
    No doubt many would have listened although I didn’t.

  34. robbie mac

    I didn’t listen either.

  35. I am the Walras, Equilibrate, and Price-Take

    Nor I.

  36. Hahaha who’s proselytising? I’m just pointing out the many, obvious bungles by Abbott.

  37. notafan

    She was a figure of national ridicule, and so graceless that in her election campaign she pulled stunts like shoving her opponent (Cathy McGowan) out of photo-ops *in front of gathered ABC reporters*

    Falsehood. In fact the only verifiable physical intimidation on record is McGowan to Mirabella.

    Though I agree Sophie should not have run, the Getup/ABC campaign was too successful. Even the known voter fraud on behalf of McGowan wasn’t enough for people to see what was going on, in fact a couple of McGowan supporters I know had no idea that there were references from the AEC to the AFP.

  38. notafan

    I thought the co-pay couldn’t get through the senate?

    In fact Turnbull’s freezing of the medicare rebates til 2020 and some doctor’s increasing co-pays to $20 from 1 July which was circulated widely by the ALP on social media scared a lot of people.

    Turnbull made no real attempt to counter the mediscare.

    What really annoys me as there is no way those doctors fees will decrease if Labor gets in.

  39. Driftforge

    That AEC Turnout by State – presumably includes prepolls and postals?

    No, just the ones that have been counted so far. That number keeps climbing until all the postals etc are in.

  40. Eddystone

    Hey, it’s not my fault!

    I gritted my teeth and put Jamie Briggs third after FF and LDP.

    Too bad, so sad. 🙂

  41. Splatacrobat

    The whole purpose of Turnbull’s challenge was to overcome Abbott’s poor polling and save the coalition from defeat. That’s what drove him to implement Operation Valkyrie Mk.3.
    For a large part he believed what the left luvvies and MSM had been telling everyone for years, that he was closer to their aspirations and was someone who could be trusted to pursue their progressive views.

    Yes. Abbott disappointed many Conservatives, middle of the road voters and Libertarians but his ministry, government and he himself won the 2013 election and should have been judged accordingly by the 2016 voters. Not by a phantom army of goodwill voters conjured up by the left to puff up Turnbull’s ego to “Save the election”. Gillard tried that in 2010 and we got the same result as we have now.

    Rightly or wrongly I could have accepted an Abbott defeat had he still been Prime Minister but nothing has convinced me otherwise there was any point in allowing another egotist to turn the leadership of a political party into a plaything.

    As I said on the other thread

    I’d like to shove every leftie that said “I could never vote Liberal whilst Abbott is leader but I would if Malcolm was Prime Minister” right up Turnbull’s arse. God knows there’s enough room.

  42. Rob

    Abbott and his mates left a lot of ticking time bombs for Turnbull. They floated and then dropped so many good policies – changing/getting rid of 18C (dropped), the GP co-payment (floated, discussed in various formats, then dropped). And then there were many useless MPs who somehow slipped in to parliament under his watch: how on earth did Sophie Mirabella get a second run in the seat of Indi? She was a figure of national ridicule, and so graceless that in her election campaign she pulled stunts like shoving her opponent (Cathy McGowan) out of photo-ops *in front of gathered ABC reporters*. That was once a safe coalition seat, and Mirabella’s stupidity and selfishness has lost it for a generation.

    No Turnbull can take the blame for those, if he wasn’t white-anting Abbott on 18C and the GP co-payment, they might have got through. If Abbott had a decent Communications Minister there wouldn’t be any of their ABC reporters left to campaign for McGowan.
    Turnbull has own cabal of graceless unelectable candidates that have been given exceptionally safe seats: Zimmermann (-9%) (-$25,000), Falinski (-11%) (-$30,000). Whilst their seats are so safe its hard for them to lose their seats, every primary vote they lose costs the Turnbull Party $2.62 in electoral funding and probably the senate votes as well. I hope that Turnbull and Photios get invoiced by the Liberal Party to make good the loss in electoral funding.

  43. Monkey's Uncle

    Yes.
    Technically the phrase “being fined for not voting” should read “being fined for not having your name crossed off the roll“.

    Old myths die hard, but this is simply not the case. There is plenty of legal precedent (at least for the federal level) that the intent of the law is that voters are expected to cast a formal vote. I believe it is technically an offense to deliberately vote informal, although obviously hardly anyone is ever prosecuted for it due to the nature of a secret ballot. If I recall years ago someone went to jail for advocating informal voting.

  44. M Ryutin

    Ben Fordham of 2GB in Sydney is a young man but is going places. He has formerly put the Hanson-Young ratbag in her place and hosts Andrew Bolt and Graham Richardson plus other politician in short bursts. All of this is good but not out of the ordinary one would think.

    However, while I don’t always listen to him I did actually hear this piece and it is a brilliant demolition of Malcolm Turnbull and is worthy of a wide re-broadcast. It demolishes him completely.

    http://www.2gb.com/article/ben-fordham-2gb-listeners-got-it-right-malcolm-turnbull

  45. strange

    Bwwwwaaaa!

    Ousted Liberal MP Andrew Nikolic has taken to social media to accuse left-wing lobby group GetUp! of running a “dishonest, nasty, personal campaign” that cost him his seat.

    Ha, ha, ha.

  46. Combine Dave

    Ousted Liberal MP Andrew Nikolic has taken to social media to accuse left-wing lobby group GetUp! of running a “dishonest, nasty, personal campaign” that cost him his seat.

    Andrew…. Turnbull is a member of the Turnbull Coalition, not GetUp!

  47. Leigh Lowe

    Leigh,

    I would argue what you’ve achieved is to shift the Liberal Party to the left as the seat losses have overwhelmingly been those of conservatives. Oh, and potentially given Bill Shorten the Prime Ministership. I don’t know how that could be called an achievement on your part.

    You haven’t been listening, have you.
    I see no discernible difference between a Maocolm led Liberal party and Liars party led by Pieman.
    The Liberal Party needs to be knocked over and purged of Maocolm and his ilk.

  48. Gab

    M Ryutin
    #2079974, posted on July 4, 2016 at 3:39 pm

    Ben Fordham of 2GB in Sydney

    He stated facts. Good analysis of how maocolm got it all wrong. Only two people to blame – himself and his ego.

  49. Gab

    Bill Shorten rang rings around turnbull. How embarrassment.

  50. srr

    As for Hanson’s return, yet again the electorate shows it has learned nothing.

    As for that comment, it shows the Political punditry/Muslim apologists have learned nothing.

  51. Jannie

    Maybe Turnbull could be appointed Speaker. Cant think of anything else where he would be much use.

  52. a reader

    It’s a right pity that the disaffected vote went to One Nation and not Family First, Christian Democrats, DLP or Liberal Democrats. One Nation are economic wets, protectionists and the like.

    I had one of the good Liberals, Craig Kelly, but I put him second behind the Christian Democrats. Even though he is a good bloke, Liberals deserved to lose my $2.63, might as well give it to someone more useful. Kelly got back, although with a reduced majority. I congratulated him personally but also said your party got what it deserved. He can’t say it but I think he largely agrees.

  53. Abbott and his mates left a lot of ticking time bombs for Turnbull.

    Ummmm yeah nah. Abbott was rolled very quickly – remember? – and hardly had time to drink all the booze in his office bar fridge, let alone construct carefully disguised time bombs for Lord Waffle.

    Sorry guys. We know and admit openly that the Abbott government didn’t live up to expectations, but there’s only so long you can spin this one out before you have to start owning up to your mistakes.

    The Abbott666 meme is a hardy one, but I didn’t expect that it would get a new lease of life from the Turnbull Coalition Party (TURNCOAT for short).

  54. incoherent rambler

    Maybe Turnbull could be appointed Speaker. Cant think of anything else where he would be much use.

    Parcel packaging?
    Air or sea anchor?

  55. incoherent rambler

    Maybe Turnbull could be appointed Speaker. Cant think of anything else where he would be much use.

    Hot air generator for outdoor smokers?

  56. Arky

    Turnbull supporters and the morons responsible for installing him need to be dragged by the scruff of the neck to the pile of vomit that is this election result.
    “BAD Liberal party. Bad. Bad. Bad. DON’T do this again”.
    Right now they are torturing logic in a desperate attempt to hide behind the couch avoid the righteous beating coming their way.

  57. Makka

    The Libs have to start with an apology to their base. Or, they can get fkd. I’ll keep NOT voting for them until I hear an acknowledgement that We.Don’t. Matter. was an insult.

  58. DrBeauGan

    Oh, Sinc! Your judgment was deeply flawed. I agree TA was hopeless but MT is worse. Every bit as stupid but smarmier. That the party exchanged bad for worse tells us everything about them.

    They don’t need a reformation they need to be destroyed.

    It’s coming up to lamp-post time.

  59. .

    Makka – I think you’ll be voting ALA for the rest of your life then.

  60. .

    Dr. BG. Ph. D.,

    I agree – I also insist that MT and TA aren’t too dissimilar.

  61. strange

    The Libs have to start with an apology to their base. We.Don’t. Matter. was an insult. You don’t matter while ever the Liberals are run for the benefit of the spivs, con men, chancers and rent seekers from the big end of town. You will be waiting a while for that apology.

  62. Stimpson J. Cat

    So Sinc, basically you are asking us to stop being so Malcontent?

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

  63. Jessie

    Maybe Turnbull could be appointed Speaker. Cant think of anything else where he would be much use.
    Northern and Central Australian Development IT entrepreneur with obvious subsidisation by fed/state/local govt for his city and Reichsfuhrer-SS mates in the remote Aboriginal industry of KPI medicare/pathology/radiology/RFDS mercy(taxi) flights, welfare, training and education- worth billions with Warren now in the WESTPAC family and Turnbull’s invasion theory…………of guilt payments. Development economics without the individual property rights?
    Cape York 1995 tele-health pilot sunk due to antagonism from nurses and other internal politics. As it did on NT. Perhaps Pearson et al inc Kimberley’s/APY etc etc wasn’t quite ready to telehealth to the city centre buffs and the roll-out of their ‘pilot projects’? TELSTRA needed to be punished and privatised and the case strengthened for NTN. And the NEED needed to be justified and established without entry permits for independent journalists for the remote education, private Indigenous (subsidised) economic development by ‘locals’ and remain on country culture. Never mind the proper auditing of the costs to maintain such populations. The second generation city Indigenous and their cronies, could speak on behalf of the dying remote. Now they had all their kultcha stories appropriated.

    Private enterprise De Soto of course.

  64. Jessie

    Apologies
    Hernando de Soto Polar

  65. Gerard O

    The Coalition only won in 2013 because of Labor’s leadership shenanigans. Abbott promised leadership stability, but failed to deliver. It should be no surprise that we’ve returned to the stalemate of 2010.

  66. Viva

    So Sinc, basically you are asking us to stop being so Malcontent?

    Not just that – stop having a Grand Mal epileptic seizure!

  67. nilk

    If anybody from the Libs monitors this blog, some free advice, that will cost little to implement…
    Once the election is done & dusted, preselect for ALL seats except those held by a sitting member. Start getting them out there attending community events, get them interviews in the local press, have them standing shoulder to shoulder with minister at announcements, have said minister name them, thank them , get some name recognition out there (and if NSW get them there for state announcements as well).

    Diogenes is correct. In my seat of Aston, we have Alan Tudge retaining his seat.

    As a friend of mine told him, “You can’t budge the Tudge.” He is well known in the electorate; he gets to the community events, and at annual school presentation nights.

    The place was awash in Alan Tudge corflutes and posters.

  68. .

    strange
    #2080249, posted on July 4, 2016 at 7:08 pm
    The Libs have to start with an apology to their base. We.Don’t. Matter. was an insult. You don’t matter while ever the Liberals are run for the benefit of the spivs, con men, chancers and rent seekers from the big end of town. You will be waiting a while for that apology.

    You have a point. They’re not in it for free enterprise.

  69. Notafan

    I love how labor’s proliferate spending, the carbon tax and an ever increasing number of boat arrivals had nothing to do with people preferring Abbott.

  70. Rococo Liberal

    The ALP was facing the worst Liberal Leader for years and were given heaps of opportunities. And they still only got 35% of the primary vote.
    The real story is that the people want conservatives, not labor-lite.

  71. Clam Chowdah

    The ALP was facing the worst Liberal Leader for years and were given heaps of opportunities. And they still only got 35% of the primary vote.
    The real story is that the people want conservatives, not labor-lite.

    Interesting.

  72. Fisky

    Both Abbott and Turnbull are guilty – so blaming one or the other won’t improve Liberal prospects at the next election.

    Actually, it is vitally important to heap 100% of the blame on Turnbull. Abbott won a net 25 seats over two elections. Turnbull lost 15 in one. Turnbull is a complete failure, he has lost everything, he is a waste of space, and now he is hiding under his desk.

    Repeat after me: Turnbull is 100% to blame for this, and Abbott is totally blameless.

  73. Makka

    “Makka – I think you’ll be voting ALA for the rest of your life then.”

    I didn’t vote ALA. I don’t like their taxation policies. Nor One Nation. It was informal in the HoR. If Turnbull leaves the job either standing down or booted, I’ll reconsider. Until then the Libs have lost my vote. They are dead to me until then.

  74. Leo G

    Actually, it is vitally important to heap 100% of the blame on Turnbull.

    Actually, that would be a waste of energy and would play into Bill Shorten’s hands.
    My view is that we should support Turnbull’s call for thorough investigation of alleged criminal behaviour by Labor that was intended to influence the outcome of the election.

  75. johanna

    M Ryutin – I must say that Ben Fordham’s demolition of Turncoat is one of the best ever. It is Catallaxy Files’ many comments over a long period distilled.

    Very bright guy, and the obvious sucessor to Alan Jones.

  76. No Eynestine

    I like Pilippa Martyr’s sense of irony and simple expression.

    Every one of Sinclair Davidson’s excuses and waffled explanations of why it wasn’t the leaders’s fault that the leader failed to lead is a really sad indication of the level of delusions that infect the Turnbull supporters.

    One can, I guess forgive Miranda Devine, Janet Albrechtson and that totall self absorbed piece of work Nikki Savva, after all they are only women and were probably infected by the same womanlyness as Julie Bishop, not for them the naked aggression and power of Tony Abbott. They are essentially developed with cooperative genes and deep down intrinsically collective in nature, for them the warm nurturing soul of Turnbull who will sit and weave baskets or tutt tutt at those ruffians of men. In history where would Turnbull have been, leading the centurions or back at home playing Mr Powerful in the senate and discussing dresses with the gentler sex. I don’t think it requires much thought.

    However Prof Davidson that bilge you have written in this posting blaming every one but the failed leader does not become you, Sir.

    I seem to remember being told by Textor that Turnbull had done the maths and didn’t need me. Wow, what an inclusive leader he is. Who else but nearly everyone but the ‘elite’ would have guessed that when you’re told that you are not needed, you accept that at face value, take your bat and ball and go to be with people who do want you. Seems simple to me. But not to you Mr Davidson.

    So no more whining about the del cons, you embarrass yourself.

  77. James

    Shorter Sinclair:

    MALCOLM DID NOTHING WRONG!

    LEAVE MALCOLM ALONE!

    HE DINDU NUFFIN! HE WAZ A GOOD BOY!

  78. It’s a right pity that the disaffected vote went to One Nation and not Family First, Christian Democrats, DLP or Liberal Democrats. One Nation are economic wets, protectionists and the like.

    So are the Christian Democrats, who you put first.

    http://www.cdp.org.au/about-the-cdp/principles-of-the-cdp/

  79. Combine Dave

    Actually, it is vitally important to heap 100% of the blame on Turnbull. Abbott won a net 25 seats over two elections. Turnbull lost 15 in one. Turnbull is a complete failure, he has lost everything, he is a waste of space, and now he is hiding under his desk.

    Repeat after me: Turnbull is 100% to blame for this, and Abbott is totally blameless.

    It looks as though many rusted on Liberals couldn’t bring themselves to vote for an LNP lead by Turnbull.

    On the day I found myself putting even the ALP ahead of the Turnbull Coalition Team (with obviously ALA and LDP far ahead of both).

    Hopefully when he resigns the classic Liberals will return, although that seems unlikely with Bishop waiting in the wings for her go at the Prime Ministership.

  80. Combine Dave

    Turnbull supporters and the morons responsible for installing him need to be dragged by the scruff of the neck to the pile of vomit that is this election result.
    “BAD Liberal party. Bad. Bad. Bad. DON’T do this again”.
    Right now they are torturing logic in a desperate attempt to hide behind the couch avoid the righteous beating coming their way.

    What if perchance there was an intelligent and amicable fellow who owned a blog (just for instance not naming any names), who was a Turnbull booster despite knowing Turnbull’s record of failure and likely future failure (aka destroyer of the LNP), hoping that such would drive protest votes straight into the arms of their actual and very different preferred party.

    For the sake of argument, we’ll call them the LDP.

    Would the above then apply to Sinc to whomever it was?

  81. Fisky

    On the day I found myself putting even the ALP ahead of the Turnbull Coalition Team (with obviously ALA and LDP far ahead of both).

    I was very proud to support the Nationals for the first time despite their membership of Turnbull’s doomed Coalition. I suspect many Liberal voters did the same, although quite a few might have stayed home or voted Pauline.

    We do matter, Textor, you failed strategist.

  82. Combine Dave

    If Liberals want to know how it’s possible that the ingrates Hench, Hanson and Lambie will be representating the Australia people they need only ask Textor and Turnbull.

    They’ve done more than anyone to ensure these guys were installed into power.

    By failing to listen to the electorate and with Turnmerkel moving the Turnbull Coalition Team to the left they failed to distinguish their brand from the other parties of the left, forcing conservatives, nationalists and libertarians alike to find other parties to vote for.

    The first term coupe didn’t help either. At the time LNP candidates Fb pages were awash with former supporters declaring they wouldn’t be helping handing out HTV cards or fund raising at the next election due solely to the LNP axing their PM.

  83. Gab

    Abbott won 25 seats despite the media being full-on feral towards him, every day.
    turnbull lost 15 seats despite the media giving him a tongue bath, every day.

  84. A Lurker

    What if perchance there was an intelligent and amicable fellow who owned a blog (just for instance not naming any names), who was a Turnbull booster despite knowing Turnbull’s record of failure and likely future failure (aka destroyer of the LNP), hoping that such would drive protest votes straight into the arms of their actual and very different preferred party.

    I suspect you might be right. There is an awful lot of official boosting of the LDP here. I wonder what will happen if once the election results are properly in and the LDP has failed to achieve a Senator. I wonder then if Senator Bernardi, or Senator Hanson or Senator Hinch will be encouraged to submit guest blogs? Surprising that I never once saw a guest blog here from Senator Day (although I am happy to be corrected if it has happened in the past).

    All I know is that the LDP on current count failed to even gain half of what One Nation gained in votes. So one can assume that there are twice as many people out there who are concerned about issues that One Nation highlights than issues that the LDP highlights – you know all those unfashionable issues that our political, media and academic elite would never touch, even with a barge pole.

    Paul Murray last night interviewed Senator Bernardi, and it was revealed that over a million Australians voted for small right-of-centre parties in the Senate and HoR. That’s a million Australians currently unrepresented in Parliament except by a handful of politicians who have been shoved out into the wilderness. Somehow I don’t think those million Australians will be impressed by the LDP’s soft-Left stances on issues like open borders, same sex marriage, and the influence of Islam on Australian politics and society.

  85. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Gab at 5:31 am:

    “Abbott won 25 seats despite the media being full-on feral towards him, every day.
    turnbull lost 15 seats despite the media giving him a tongue bath, every day.”

    An excellent succinct summary Gabrielle.

    Have a look at the firewalled piece in today’s Australian – “Federal election 2016: Peta Credlin made Sky no-go zone” – for a very good account of how Labor brought in its most seasoned campaign operatives to track down and wound every move by Lord Wentworth and the work of a highly disciplined Short ‘Un over the whole time since the stabbing of Tony Abbott. As reluctant as I am to offer compliments to Labor, by the Australian’s account they crafted a well thought out strategy and Short ‘Un did not depart from their sage advice.

    This past nine months has again highlighted everything everyone knew in advance of the empty suit that is Lord Wentworth – a narcissist who simply has no idea of his self evident stupidity. His mediocrity as Opposition Leader culminating in that inept and clumsy offering over Utegate had even Wayne Swan mocking him in public. A normal man would have become starkly aware that he was better equipped for a career as a windscreen washer on the corner of Anzac Parade and Moore Park Road.

  86. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    Oooops – I failed to add:

    Lord Wentworth has proven to be a thoroughly dishonest, deceitful little man with no interest in the electorate or the Liberal Party beyond what he must do to win the top job.

  87. Tel

    Blame Turnbull? No need for blame… this was all merely an elaborate attempt to communicate with the man.

  88. Leigh Lowe

    Stop blaming Turnbull?
    Somebody has to.
    He won’t.

  89. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From TimT at 2:31 pm:

    “Abbott and his mates left a lot of ticking time bombs for Turnbull. …”

    If one wants to give legs to a lie this is precisely how one starts it.

  90. Senile Old Guy

    From Gab at 5:31 am:

    “Abbott won 25 seats despite the media being full-on feral towards him, every day.
    turnbull lost 15 seats despite the media giving him a tongue bath, every day.”

    An excellent succinct summary Gabrielle.

    Agreed.

    Have a look at the firewalled piece in today’s Australian – “Federal election 2016: Peta Credlin made Sky no-go zone” – for a very good account of how Labor brought in its most seasoned campaign operatives to track down and wound every move by Lord Wentworth and the work of a highly disciplined Short ‘Un over the whole time since the stabbing of Tony Abbott. As reluctant as I am to offer compliments to Labor, by the Australian’s account they crafted a well thought out strategy and Short ‘Un did not depart from their sage advice.

    Again, agreed. The LNP ran a lack lustre campaign in my marginal seat; the TV ads appeared almost an after thought. The ALP campaign was slick, targeted and featuring a likeable (ex-military) candidate. The LNP vote crashed (with the help of ugly antics in the local party).

  91. Slayer of Memes

    Interesting that Sinc is blaming the Liberal Party for failing Malcolm…. and yet in all the televised press-conferences, in all the campaign material I recieved in the mail, even down to the HTV cards being handed out at my local polling booth there was no mention of the Liberal Party. Plenty of mention if the ‘Turnbull Coalition Team’ though.

    The only place I saw that mentioned the Liberal Party was the ballot papers for the HoR and Senate.

    Turnbull ran the ENTIRE campaign based on himself…. and therefore the result is all his.

    And anyone who denies that fact is the TRUE delcon (looking at you Sinc)

  92. banz

    Its really incredible, Sins preferred man on a white horse was a leftist Obama wannabe….

    Sinc embrace your inner leftist academic feelings totally, come out of the closet, most of us know…nothing to hide..

  93. banz

    That shit eating grin of the TURD.

  94. banz

    Seven Liberal MPs lost their seats and former NSW ALP state secretary, senator Sam Dastyari, said the Coalition had “paid the price” for underestimating how “loved and incredibly popular” Mr Abbott was in west and southwest Sydney.

    “His conservative social values, his personality traits: those same characteristics that were ­ridiculed and mocked by elements of the Sydney establishment elite were exactly the qualities that ­endeared him to many people in west and southwest Sydney,” Senator Dastyari said.

    “There was this misconception in the establishment bubble that because a certain set found his views unpalatable, they under­estim­ated how much he appealed to differing communities and they paid the price for that.” ‘

  95. Slayer of Memes

    Turnbull: I take full responsibility for the campaign

    Malcolm Turnbull:

    Dealing with the more political matters, I want to make it quite clear that as prime minister and leader of the Liberal party, I take full responsibility for our campaign, absolutely full responsibility for the campaign. The Australian people have voted, and we respect the result. The actual settlement of the decisions with respect to particular seats obviously awaits the conclusion of the count which is very close. It will be a few more days before we get a clearer picture

    Oh dear Doomlord… Looks like your pom-pom waving has been ignored by the High Lord Waffler, Count of Point Piper..

    Malcolm Turnbull never lied to me.

    Well… excpet for that time he introduced a retrospective tax on superannuation..

    .. and when he backflipped on his support for the S18C amendment bill pushed by Senators Day and Lyonhjelm..

    … and the Climate Accords in Paris…

    … and now taking the blame for the government’s poor showing in the election..

    Are you SURE you’re not m0nty’s father? You’re giving the wrongology count quite a push…

  96. Phillipa I agree with you actually, the ‘ticking time bombs’ metaphor was unfortunate. I meant that Abbott left a record of policies unfulfilled, policy bungles, and poor selection of candidates (18C, Medicare door charge, gay marriage plebiscite )- and the Liberal Party still had to face the electorate once Abbott had been deposed. They weren’t left as traps for Turnbull but they presented some problems, many of them insurmountable.

    Of course there were problems with Turnbull’s leadership too, and they started from day one when he deposed the presiding PM – in full knowledge that the same style of deposition in the ALP had been the central issue that saw Labor lose government in the previous election.

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