The promise of battery power

A great statistic this morning from the Minerals Council:

Of course, there will be technology gains that make renewables more viable. But we should be clear-eyed about whether and when such solutions will come.

An example is the promise of battery storage as a way of transforming part-time power into ­reliable energy. Chief Scientist Alan Finkel recently noted that if we ­retrieved all of the batteries made for use in mobile phones, laptops, cars and industry in 2014 and used them as back-up for the electricity system, we would have enough energy to power the world for nine seconds. Nine seconds.

That’s from Brendan Pearson writing in the Australian.

While on the topic of renewable energy Niki Savva skewers the greenies, who are out and about claiming it was the storm that caused the power outage in South Australia not the reliance on renewables, with this great line:

… they, as climate change believers, are the ones preaching catastrophic weather events will become more frequent. If they are right, we can expect more freakish storms more often, wreaking the kind of havoc witnessed in South Australia.

Ouch.

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26 Responses to The promise of battery power

  1. Snoopy

    Has Nikki forgotten Malcolm is a believer?

  2. Rafe Champion

    Nikki shows that a broken clock can be right twice a day.

  3. Snoopy

    Sinc’s doing his darnedest to redeem both Nikki and Turnbull. Respect.

  4. john constantine

    Battery storage at home reduces the proles lateral mobility through society, tying them to their proper places.

    Only the elites should be able to move seamlessly between castles of light overlooking the powerless badlands.

    Wait for two classes of mobile phones, the elite mobile that works off the satellite when the proles landbased phone towers are powerless.
    That will show us who truly belongs to the clinton foundation bubble. [Wannabet redfilth gillard will have access to an anytime/anywhere mobile and the Great Abbottbeast won’t ?.]

  5. stackja

    In the 1950s before more coal-fired power. Candles were always at the ready. ‘Earth hours’ were common.

  6. stackja

    Meanwhile:

    Reuters Top News [email protected] 9 minutes ago
    Obama: ‘historic day’ in climate battle as Paris deal ratified
    http://reut.rs/2cTg45Z pic.twitter.com/OCDxnhcWbN

  7. stackja

    “Windmills Of Your Mind”
    Round,
    Like a circle in a spiral
    Like a wheel within a wheel
    Never ending or beginning
    On an ever-spinning reel
    Like a snowball down a mountain
    Or a carnival balloon
    Like a carousel that’s turning
    Running rings around the moon
    Like a clock whose hands are sweeping
    Past the minutes of its face
    And the world is like an apple
    Rolling silently in space
    Like the circles that you find
    In the windmills of your mind

  8. steve

    Reading between the lines, Nikki Savva says that it is all Tony Abbott’s fault

  9. nerblnob

    It’s been known for some time that the biggest reduction in reducing Australia’s CO2 output, its “carbon footprint”, is to build more latest generation coal-fired power stations. Even for brown coal.

    Nice to see a major daily allowing Brendan Pearson to – well, hint at it.

    It’s not about CO2 for the fanatics, but shutting down coal, oil & gas.

    But they are enabled by the mass of normal, moral people who think that Evil Fossil Fuels is a normal, moral truth. That coal use is declining when in fact it’s increasing. I’m naive enough to think the truth might prevail eventually.

  10. Entropy

    I didn’t read all of the Savva article. What was her intent, not what it appears from that paragraph?
    Let me guess: she questions the role Tony Abbott played in all this, and Lord Waffle (and his loyal staff) will save the day.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle

    Of course if South Australia just embraced nuclear power there would be no need for batteries, no grid stability issues, no bird and bat deaths from wind turbines, no CO2 emissions and electricity would be much cheaper than it is presently.

  12. handjive

    We’re saved!
    Adelaide charges ahead with world’s largest ‘virtual power plant’
    “AGL project to roll out 1,000 battery systems to homes and businesses will operate like a 5MW plant, and optimise energy produced from solar panels”
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/05/adelaide-charges-ahead-with-worlds-largest-virtual-power-plant?CMP=share_btn_tw

  13. RobK

    The promise of battery power may one day be delivered….perhaps.
    There are a lot of speculative hopefuls. This is not the type of speculation the government should be involved in. There should be no subsidies for any power generation or storage.
    A market hopeful in storage is “asymmetric capacitors”, with one player speculating that all-in storage costs will decrease from us$0.30 to $0.05/kWh stored. Should this happen, distributors will install these things about the grid to buffer loads etc. These are bulky forms of storage not ideal for home use. The idea of lots of domestic batteries to run households is akin to telling people to store a 200l drum of petrol in your garage…..insurance companies may have some issues.

  14. Infidel Tiger

    The promise of battery power

    Sounds like the title to a lezzo skin flick.

  15. John64

    There has been a two week hiatus since Mrs Woolcock’s most recent Abbott666 rant.

    One can but hope this is as a result of the Editor In Chief having a quiet word in her shell-like.

  16. AnneToo

    Becoming a prepper doesn’t seem like such a Looney Tunes idea.

  17. handjive

    Niki Savva can find the answer to her question here, on youtube, January 22, 2015, when Then Queensland Leader of the Opposition Annastacia Palaszczuk spoke of her desire to triple the number of Queenslanders with solar @0.17 seconds: “I can’t control the weather”.

  18. Roger

    Jay Weather-ill on ABC RN this morning still insisting SA’s power outage had nothing to do with renewables.

    “Transmission towers bent over are testimony to power of the wind.” LOL.

  19. Dr Fred Lenin

    Poor greens being persecuted for their beliefs , like the early Christians and of course lying like the early Christians too . Its hard getting a new money making religion off the ground the stress must be wearing maentally,having to invent all these lies o cover up for the stuff ups tgey always make . Still the Christians sold virgin birth and resurction to a lot of ounters supose gren energy has a chance .

  20. Dr Fred Lenin

    Poor greens being persecuted for their beliefs , like the early Christians and of course lying like the early Christians too . Its hard getting a new money making religion off the ground the stress must be wearing mentally having to invent all these lies to cover up for the stuff ups they
    always make . Still the Christians sold virgin birth and resurction to a lot of punters \ green energy has a chance .

  21. incoherent rambler

    I’m naive enough to think the truth might prevail eventually.

    Naive indeed.

    Year 9 arithmetic skills and a small amount of deductive reasoning would see the end of wind/solar dreams as a baseload power provider.
    The problem for green racketeers was that modern coal fired generation facilities are clean and emit not much more than CO2 and H20. To halt the abundance of cheap energy, one of atmospheric CO2 or H20 had to be demonized.
    CO2 (0.04% of the atmosphere) lost the coin toss.

  22. Dr Faustus

    Slightly off topic, but related to the Weatherall disconnect. Brendan Pearson’s piece is an example of how the Chinese Whisper and Wobbly Number effects run through all sides of the public debate.

    Chief Scientist Alan Finkel recently noted that if we ­retrieved all of the batteries made for use in mobile phones, laptops, cars and industry in 2014 and used them as back-up for the electricity system, we would have enough energy to power the world for nine seconds. Nine seconds.

    Alan Finkel in Cosmos [August 2016]:

    Imagine if you took all the lithium-ion batteries produced in 2014 for phones, laptops and cars and instead used them to provide backup for the global electricity supply. They’d keep the world running for just nine seconds!

    Alan Finkel to the IAEA [September 2016]:

    For example, if we took all the lithium ion batteries we produced right across the world in 2014, how long do you think we could rely on them to satisfy global electricity demand?

    Forty-six seconds, ladies and gentlemen…

    All batteries/lithium ion batteries; nine seconds/forty-six seconds. Meh; details – exact same point.

    Sure. But a couple of cycles of this type leads to knowledgable people apparently talking bullshit in the same conversation as people – such as Weatherall – who definitely are bullshitting and pulling numbers out of their secret data bases.

  23. stackj

    Roger
    #2165420, posted on October 6, 2016 at 10:51 am
    Jay Weather-ill on ABC RN this morning still insisting SA’s power outage had nothing to do with renewables.

    “Transmission towers bent over are testimony to power of the wind.” LOL.

    True believers accept SA’s power outage had nothing to do with renewables. Useless trying to say otherwise to them.

  24. Rohan

    Won’t the introduction of battery systems also require another change of smart meters?

    IIRC, current smart meters require grid power to operate safely. Power from the grid and solar (or the proposed battery) are fed into them as seperate inputs to calculate the export of solar power.

    No mains power then these are useless, delivering power to no one. There’s no way in hell you would connect battery on the household side of the meter. There would be no means of regulation.

    Back to square one. Build a coal fired generator you morons.

  25. JohnA

    Roger #2165420, posted on October 6, 2016, at 10:51 am

    Jay Weather-ill on ABC RN this morning still insisting SA’s power outage had nothing to do with renewables.

    “Transmission towers bent over are testimony to power of the wind.”

    LOL.

    Indeed, Mr. Premier. And testimony to the fact that the force may be recognizable, but that does NOT mean it can be harnessed.

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