On the contrary Mr Sheridan

Another sunshine conservative, this time the foreign editor at The Australian, another Murdoch rag which pretends to be slightly to the right except when its support might actually be worth something in the midst of a brawl. The story is US election: gruesome and ghoulish debate crystallises tragic choice. Although it makes me queasy to read such stuff, let me find a representative passage near the beginning if I can.

The second presidential debate between Donald Trump and ­Hillary Clinton was gruesome, ghoulish and tragic.

It was tragic for the American people because it revealed the ­appalling choice they have next month between the two most ­deservedly unpopular presidential candidates in modern political history. It was tragic also for the ­Republican Party because the ­debate showed Clinton’s tremendous weakness against any ­remotely upright, mainstream ­Republican candidate.

Unfortunately, in Donald Trump the Republicans did not produce a remotely upright, mainstream candidate.

The fact that in wanting to keep his job in a Murdoch paper he was prepared to sell his soul is how it is. With Paul Kelly and Caroline Overington, they are anyways always shallow and never insightful, so it doesn’t surprise me that they write the rot they do. But with Sheridan, there is at least the possibility he understands what he’s doing and might somewhere feel remorse for how he must earn his living. There is no doubt that those who have commented get the point. Top ten best comments on his article in order from the top with nothing left out.

1) On the contrary Mr Sheridan. The current US Presidential election is the most honest, most amusing and most interesting election campaign ever. In my half century of experience anyway. It certainly puts our pitiful vanilla versus beige elections in perspective.

2) “Unfortunately, in Donald Trump the Republicans did not produce a remotely upright, mainstream candidate.” says Mr Sheridan. The Republican party threw up 16 other candidates. All upstanding stuffed suits. Some suits had an impeccable pedigree, like Jeb Bush. I’m sure Mr Sheridan would have been thrilled with him! But the Donald, the New York brash street brawler, knocked them all out, one by one – flat on the mat! Stars still spinning around their heads. He did it fair and square. He’s still standing and has to go through just one old feeble grand mother to win the mantle! I stand with Donald and believe against all odds – he’ll win!

3) Journo’s need to get it. As eccentric as Trump is, he is saying, what the average punter is saying on immigration, debt, China, jobs,and the disappointment that was Obama. As for his comments on women, there are few punters that have not made the same comments or laughed at others who have made such comments, when in company of other males, after a few beers. The hypocrisy and lip pursing is laughable. It’s a awful choice, the shrill woman with a past few would be proud of, and a eccentric man who could be either great or appalling. We didn’t have much either to vote for, ourselves, so most went for the one they thought the least dangerous, and that is what the Americans will do.

4) Clinton as president would be hopelessly unequipped to heal the nation. She wreaks of identity politics and arguably her constituency is more deplorable than Trumps. The democrats are now a catch-all party for unreasonable minority grievances and have abandoned the working class. She refuses to defend Americans interests and values. Wikileaks revealed her saying it’s necessary to lie to the public about her true policy positions because Americans are rightly scared of her Left agenda like “open borders”. She is one of those annoying Left daleks that never sleeps in their zeal for ill-conceived social engineering purity. She uses the public system to get rich whilst advocating trade and immigration that makes most people poorer. She tells black Americans pretty lies instead of the importance of personal responsibility. Cannot be trusted, too stuck in 60’s student activism to change. Represents a continuation of American decline.

5) Trump brags about having sex with adult women; Clinton brags about getting an alleged child rapist off on a technicality – the Kate Shelton case.

In what moral universe is the first deserving of moral condemnation but the second not even mentioned? How can you possibly fail to mention Kate Shelton Greg? Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame. Shame.

6) So Greg, the current slime in office whose only good feature is that he can read well from a teleprompter is your standard bearer? The same guy who has overseen trillions of dollars added in unplayable debt?

Are you suggesting the idiot before him was any better?

Trump has hideous faults, no question. And he should be brought front and center for them.

But he can build business. He can make deals. As opposed to a twisted elitist socialist who has built what exactly?

7) Any upright Republican would have no chance of beating Clinton. Her political machine is so deceitful so well oiled, powerful and cunning, that it takes a street fighter like Trump to put a mere dent in it. She and her defenders would wipe the floor with any respectable opposition.

8) Grow a pair Greg. Toughen up. Stop being so precious. Trump is unfit to be president blah blah blah. Why? None of the GOP quislings could withstand the onslaught from the media and political elites. Trump showed he is just the strong leader the US needs to get the country moving. It was about time the Clintons got their noses rubbed in the dirt.

9) I’ve watched this race for the White House on Fox over the past year. The Republican Party was not interested in defeating the Democrats. They’ve been conned by ‘actors’, people standing for nothing, much like our own Malcolm Turnbull.

No ‘sensible’ Republican showed the intestinal fortitude to disregard political correctness and go after Clinton. Everyone knew, I suspect, that with the Clintons it was bound to get as dirty as it gets, and they have not disappointed.

Donald Trump, warts and all was the only person to say the Emperor has no clothes. Trump would not be there if someone else had stood up and showed some courage to take on the Clintons, because that is what it is, the Clinton Machine. No genteel, tea party.

No Ivy league, gentleman or lady tip toeing amongst political correctness, wanting to appear pure as the driven snow could take on this pair. It needed someone with prodigious amounts of courage. Someone like this often has baggage and Trump certainly does. But that is not important. The courage is.

Hillary, so called champion of women would not be there without Bill and his history as President. So much for a woman breaking that glass ceiling by her own merits. Ha! What a joke.

10) Me Sheridan, I read the parts of your article I could stand and later saw you on the Bolt Report. Having just returned from the USA, after living their for three years, it is clear to me that you don’t really understand the current situation in the USA. You words are just not realistic, as if you are the arbiter of conservative politics in the USA – you are not.

You obviously abhor Donald Trump, but given the current progressive climate in the USA, he might be one of the few men with the hide and courage to take on the relentless establishment and bring about real change.

If this keeps up, The Oz is going to have to stop allowing comments.

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55 Responses to On the contrary Mr Sheridan

  1. Ubique

    Steve, 2nd line: the neuter possessive pronoun is “its” not “it’s”. If you have trouble with it, as about 95 percent of Australians seem to do, try remembering this line: Look at the dog – it’s wagging its tail.

  2. OldOzzie

    For Greg Sheridan, I will repeat a Ditty from a Post below

    This little ditty in the comments from

    Donald Trump: ‘Predator’ Bill Clinton Worst Abuser of Women

    sums up Bill and Hillary Clinton to a tee

    There was a crooked man and he pulled a crooked trick
    He let his human humidor give his crooked cigar a lick
    Then he told a crooked story all about his crooked life
    When he went on national TV with his crooked little wife!

    Now his crooked wife is crooked as a crooked wife can be
    But Americans now know it on account of Benghazi
    They remember all the Arkancides way back in crooked times
    And how she helped to cover up his serial rapist crimes!

  3. candy

    Yes, Donald Trumper has shown he has ticker and he’s no perfect person.
    The courage he has shown has made me swing towards him, being kind of ambivalent before. Having the world call you loathsome as Bill Shorten and Malcolm Turnbull are doing, has make me feel sad for him.

    Mr Sheridan needs his job and must fall in line. I can understand that. Being called a misogynist is death to careers. So, yeah, it’s hard for a journalist. Ms Savva toes the line because hubby works for the PMO. It’s difficult for them.

  4. OldOzzie

    And if Greg Sheridan cannot understand the reference above to

    They remember all the Arkancides way back in crooked times

    Let me give the Fly Analogy

    More on “The Fly

    “St Louis – a Fly, which landed on Hillary Clinton’s face during the second 2016 Presidential debate, was discovered dead in the woods yesterday with three gunshot wounds to the back of its wings. Authorities are ruling it a suicide

  5. miltonf

    The Australian has really blown up its remaining credibility.

  6. Grumpy Racist Homophobe

    If this keeps up, The Oz is going to have to stop allowing comments.

    Steven, if you’ve tried to place comments on any of their articles, you’d know their moderators are extremely fussy about what remarks they allow. VERY politically correct indeed.

  7. a happy little debunker

    I agree that the Democratic party machine is far too well oiled an operation – for Republicans to actually beat.

    I agree that something else must occur if the Republicans ever hope to regain power.

    If I were an American, I would baulk at voting for Trump – but would never, ever vote for HRC.

  8. john constantine

    If osama bin laden had have only donated enough to the clinton foundation, he would still be alive.

    [meme from deplorable Americans on social media]

    Another meme would be–how much did osama bin laden donate to the clinton foundation to be able to retire to a stronghold compound in Pakistan [until a headline was required to boost the domestic American polls]

  9. Eyrie

    They aren’t known as “presstitutes” for nothing.
    Anyway what they produce is only designed as filler between advertisements. Imagine spending your life producing worthless garbage. It is a wonder they don’t all commit suicide.

  10. Rococo Liberal

    That was the best appraisal of the US election I have read. Well said Steve.

    Conservatives have got to stop giving in to the PC brigade. The problem is that on many occasions the PC types and the cuckservatives want the same thing. Thus cuckservatives hate Trump’s talk about women because its vulgar and obscene, SJWs hate it because it is politically incorrect and ‘misogynistic’. Unfortunately, too many cuckservatives don’t understand the difference and think that the PC brigade are nice and cuckservative too, when in reality the SJWs want to blow all conservative morality away and replace with their hideous unorganic creed which bears no resemblance to decency.

  11. .

    Both candidates are terrible.

    Pence, Cruz, Love, Ernst, Paul, Carly all would have been better than Trump, and O Malley would have been much better than Clinton.

  12. Cradock's Choice

    Ouch.

    Them comments are gonna leave a mark.

  13. It’s not just Trump’s strictly private comments of twenty years back. He’s a candidate who publicly makes veiled threats of peace when the whole mainstream establishment knows full well that “Assad must go” and Ukrainian kleptocrats are as clearly moderate as John McCain’s misunderstood head-loppers.

    Way to give war a chance, Greg.

  14. Dash

    Love it. From the heading, “On the contrary, Mr Sheridan”, through all the various expressions of wisdom and clear-headed common sense in the comments. So many clever, independent thinkers out there. Better than all of the professional “Mind your manners, not the war” commentariat combined.

    Thank you again. I wouldn’t have seen these otherwise, since The [New PC] Australian has made itself an easy daily habit to break.

  15. miltonf

    Probably Hedley Thomas is the only one left who is worth reading or has he gone stupid too?

  16. Rococo Liberal

    If Trump is elected the Media will have a goldmine. For the next four years they will be able to run lots of stories about how awful he is. Comedians too will have lots of material on the stupidity or evilness of Trump.
    The commentariat will have heaps to be wrong about whilst feeling noble and self-righteous.
    So don’t they really want Trump to win? Aren’t they pushing the SJW line really hard knowing that most people hate it? I don’t think that it is a conscious double bluff, but I think the MSM are actually helping Trump.

  17. gabrianga

    When was Sheridan last in America? Long distance reporting soon becomes personal opinion when writing from the comfort of the old home town.

    Not the first time Sheridan has niggled as he spouts some of his all encompassing “knowledge” on a regular basis when on the Bolt Show (without fear of contradiction I might add)

    I suggest he, Sheridan is from the damp to wet corner and obviously leads a pious life well away from the horror of locker rooms

  18. struth

    Mr Sheridan needs his job and must fall in line. I can understand that. Being called a misogynist is death to careers. So, yeah, it’s hard for a journalist. Ms Savva toes the line because hubby works for the PMO. It’s difficult for them.

    Excusing this behaviour , or feeling sorry for these pricks, cowtowing to any ideology when people died fighting for western freedom is a bit much.
    Candy, a certain woman was not for turning, and these opinionistas take money and prostitute themselves and their very soul, , yet want to be listened to.
    There are way too many pathetic nobodies like these people making money out of causing harm.
    They are not journalists when offering opinions.
    They deserve all they get and more.

  19. Marcus

    The fact that in wanting to keep his job in a Murdoch paper he was prepared to sell his soul is how it is.

    So, it simply hasn’t occurred to you that he might be opposed to Trump because of Trump’s own failings?

    This is far and away the weirdest thing about Trump’s candidacy. He’s not the first eccentric (or downright weird) candidate to run for President, but somehow, for whatever reason it’s not enough for his otherwise sensible supporters to simply defend him from criticism. They have to tear down his critics and react with as much outrage as the most precious social justice warrior if you dare point out his flaws, or even the possibility that his eccentricities might cost him the election.

    It’s not a movement he’s leading, it’s a cult.

  20. struth

    This is far and away the weirdest thing about Trump’s candidacy. He’s not the first eccentric (or downright weird) candidate to run for President, but somehow, for whatever reason it’s not enough for his otherwise sensible supporters to simply defend him from criticism. They have to tear down his critics and react with as much outrage as the most precious social justice warrior if you dare point out his flaws, or even the possibility that his eccentricities might cost him the election.

    It’s not a movement he’s leading, it’s a cult.

    Now ask yourself why.

  21. Old School Conservative

    Marcus
    #2170712, posted on October 11, 2016 at 10:57 pm
    It’s not a movement he’s leading, it’s a cult.

    It’s probably not a cult thing but rather a deep desire to Make America Great Again. In the process, ridding themselves of crippling Obamacare costs and a staggering national debt which is only hurting the dwindling number of taxpayers.
    In short, national pride and financial imperatives.

  22. So, it simply hasn’t occurred to you that he might be opposed to Trump because of Trump’s own failings?

    What you and every numbnut is missing is that this is about America and the free world, this is not about Trump. Trump reflects what ordinary conservatives understand.

    Globalism is bad for them. That doesn’t mean globalism will always be bad, but now is not the right time at all, maybe in a couple of generations things may have changed, or maybe not.

    Free trade sounds great in practice and I have supported it, but China sees everything as free, as in the 5 finger discount sense and gives not an inch in return. This isn’t free trade it is the greatest heist in human history. All these cheap rubbish goods that come out of China are not much use if you have no job and over 90 million Americans are no longer looking for employment.

    Immigration is a dead topic, the islamic hijra has been reactivated and the free world is importing a lethal dose. People are scared. I tell my wife not to loiter in shopping malls. You never know if you will win the islamic jihad lottery.

    In Australia we are being replaced by Asians at a rate of 10% of the population a decade. Similar is happening in the US. It’s like being a slow boiled frog. Maybe they are hoping that nobody will notice the disappearing white neighbors.

    The real problem is the relentless drive to push down fertility rates which immigration tries to plaster over. Governments don’t have any plan beyond immigration to address the issue.

    Governments are in a state of panic. Growth has stalled largely due to declining demographics and the replacements aren’t as gdp equivalent as hoped. Taxes keep being ratcheted up and the welfare state is heading towards collapse within the next couple of decades.

    Businesses are being strangled by red and green tape and have become glorified unpaid tax collectors and under a constant barrage of politically correct diversity and other waste of time and money harrassment from pressure groups, social media and government itself.

    Driving down interest rates to below zero is like hitting the brakes on ice. Nothing good is going to come of it, the central banks have totally lost control of the economy. It is just moving by momentum and any obstacle that comes along will be unavoidable.

    Solutions to these issues is what Trump offers, nobody cares if he likes a bit of pussy.

  23. .

    Free trade sounds great in practice and I have supported it, but China sees everything as free, as in the 5 finger discount sense and gives not an inch in return. This isn’t free trade it is the greatest heist in human history. All these cheap rubbish goods that come out of China are not much use if you have no job and over 90 million Americans are no longer looking for employment.

    Imbecile. The indigent need cheap goods.

  24. Imbecile. The indigent need cheap goods.

    Entirely predictable, this is standard theoretical goodness POV. The reality is rather different.

  25. If you have a business that is being slaughtered because the chinese have stolen all your ideas and use cheap labor to undercut you then you are fucked. There is no counterbalancing comparative advantage to be gained on the non-chinese side as they don’t let anyone sell anything into the country without stifling strings attached, if at all.

    Who knows anyone who is fairly selling into China. A few large corporations have to sell their souls for limited access to the market.

  26. China should be excluded from any trade until it allows fair access to its markets and a legal system that is impartial. Until then they should be told to fuck off.

    It should in fact pay reparations for the trillions in IP it has stolen.

  27. .

    The minimum wage in America is about five times that the average wage in China.

    The US lost manufacturing PURELY based on wage costs to China a long time ago.

    Comparing productivity vs wages is important.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-25/china-vs-dot-the-u-dot-s-dot-its-just-as-cheap-to-make-goods-in-the-usa

    Hence, on costs and so on affect US workers, not their “evil” trade partners.

    The ratio of productivity to project time-related costs is what actually determines business decisions.

    The idea that the indigent do not benefit from cheap mass produced goods is just bizarre.

  28. When it comes to China we are bit like the American indians were: swapping land for cheap trinkets.

  29. .

    It should in fact pay reparations for the trillions in IP it has stolen.

    Loopy stuff. The US changes IP regularly as it is pressured by lobbyists.

  30. .

    Zippy The Deplorable
    #2170798, posted on October 12, 2016 at 12:39 am
    When it comes to China we are bit like the American indians were: swapping land for cheap trinkets.

    Weapons grade stupidity.

  31. JC

    If you have a business that is being slaughtered because the chinese have stolen all your ideas and use cheap labor to undercut you then you are fucked. There is no counterbalancing comparative advantage to be gained on the non-chinese side as they don’t let anyone sell anything into the country without stifling strings attached, if at all.

    Can you name an American business that went under as a result of these Chinese actions you claim.

    Name one firm that’s gone under as a result, Zipperhead.

    One!

  32. Snoopy

    What I don’t get is that Western governments can happily regulate the bejeezus out of ‘dirty’ industries like steel making and aluminium smelting but happily accept the import of product made under far worse conditions.
    It is really nothing more than the West’s working class picking up the tab for the moral posturing of the elites elites.

  33. testpattern

    Will tech convergence reverse globalisation.

    Manufacturing and services driven by new technologies are trending toward local production. The Boston consulting group says more manufacturers said they’re likely to add capacity in the u.s not China in next five years. Production and supply chains driven by new tech will lead a shift to deglobalisation. U.s leaders will have to restructure alliances and security strategy accordingly.

    What if trump’s picked the trend? This doc is doing the rounds on American security blogs. Sheridan should know as he lifts/rewrites great slabs from them.

    http://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Documents/stratforum/SF-297.pdf

  34. Ross B

    Love all the theorising about what Trump could or might or should do. I wouldn’t waste too many more brain cells on this. It’s hard to do much when you’re bound and gagged in a Fifth Avenue penthouse with such pristine views of the huge ding in the pavement that was your presidential campaign, and the mushroom cloud over DC that sucked up a vaporised Republican Party.

  35. Snoopy

    I foresee a huge boom in the sale of 3D printers you only use once.

  36. Crossie

    Unfortunately, in Donald Trump the Republicans did not produce a remotely upright, mainstream candidate.

    Greg Sheridan, being such an astute observer of American politics, didn’t notice that Republican establishment didn’t choose Trump, their voters did. I’m sure they have by now closed all those loopholes so it will not happen again.

    On the other hand, if Trump loses there will be a much reduced Republicans party, their voters will desert them. If he wins he owns the party and the apparatus. Very interesting times and no pleasant options for the perfidious Republican elites who only have themselves to blame.

  37. John L

    It is sad what is happening to those people at The Australian. It must be something in their water. Why would a once reputable journalist like Greg Sheridan throwaway lifetime of reputability and professional standard for something like this? And for who? A whore – a criminal whore!
    Greg if you get involved with Clinton, it is like a wrestling with a pig. You both get dirty but pig loves it.
    Greg if you are monitoring this, please come in and explain yourself or apologise.

  38. johanna

    Well said, Crossie. Interestingly, the same thing is happening with the Labour Party in the UK. They are fraught with internal conflict, and have abandoned their traditional base. They are plummeting in the polls.

    The Conservatives are not exactly travelling well either, especially over Brexit.

    Could be that we are witnessing the breakup of the big party blocs that dominated the C20th.

  39. Docket62

    Trump is an enigma wrapped up in a riddle. I love his disruption – its what Australia desperately needs. Our political ‘elites’ need to be taken down quite a few pegs in the same way. Its why I suspect Trump can win, and why more importantly HE thinks he can win. As to the bleatings of those on about immigration and free trade blah blah blah…. the rise of Pauline Hanson should serve as a beacon. Australians are no longer putting up with our political machinery. Perhaps in fact, we need a wall too.

  40. .

    Snoopy
    #2170809, posted on October 12, 2016 at 1:26 am
    What I don’t get is that Western governments can happily regulate the bejeezus out of ‘dirty’ industries like steel making and aluminium smelting but happily accept the import of product made under far worse conditions.
    It is really nothing more than the West’s working class picking up the tab for the moral posturing of the elites elites.

    You should always remind global warming preachers about cadmium production in China, used for solar panels. They stop preaching fairly quickly.

  41. Can you name an American business that went under as a result of these Chinese actions you claim.

    Name one firm that’s gone under as a result, Zipperhead.

    One!

    I am not in America, but I can tell you from my circle of friends that without naming names that this indeed the case. One in particular, is nearly the last man standing in his category. It has all gone to china.

    You have to ask yourself what happens if war breaks out with china?

  42. Loopy stuff. The US changes IP regularly as it is pressured by lobbyists.

    Sure dot that’s why Trump’s message has fallen on deaf ears right?

  43. John L

    Between Hawke and Frazer – Barry Humpries said:

    It is a contest between a farmer with the locked jaw and a reformed drunk.

    Why did Hawke van?

  44. Yohan

    I cancelled my online sub to The Australian due to their overt support of Hillary.

    Conservatism Inc is all at sea. They are not understanding the changes on the right.
    We don’t wont open borders and mass immigration. We don’t want a neo-con war with Russia on behalf of jihadis in Aleppo.

  45. Eddystone

    I think Zippy at 12.08 am and Crossie at 3.17 am have made very good comments.

    The globalist politico-media complex is generally pretty clueless about the Trump (and Brexit and PHON) phenomenon.

    Here’s a clue.

    It’s supposed to be “representative” democracy. Trump appears to represent the opinions of ordinary people.

    The rest of them, media included, are playing power games with the political apparatus.

  46. incoherent rambler

    cadmium production

    Bruce will no doubt add to this.

    The number of recorded deaths by Cadmium poisoning is rather low. The reason being is that people tend to suicide before the bone pain, testicular lesions, bone weakening and ultimate skeletal collapse become too advanced.

    Its similar to “heart failure” being written on death certificates in Australia. It does not record the underlying cause.

  47. .

    Sure dot that’s why Trump’s message has fallen on deaf ears right?

    He’s gonna lose.

  48. 1234

    Kates is stuck at the anger stage of the five stages of grief. He is even lashing out the Australian now, a sure sign that all the world is against him. A bit like Trump in Trump Tower – the land of the delusional.

  49. stackja

    USA voters have a choice. Their decision will affect the world.

  50. sabrina

    USA voters have a choice of choosing from two jokers. Good thing is their decision will not affect the world.

  51. Muddy

    Conservatism Inc is all at sea.

    As a brand, conservatism is dead. Long gone. Not as an ideology, but as a brand. Like the Corpse Party here in Australia, it needs to be buried, and the seeds planted for a reincarnated form to emerge.

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