Queensland and Victoria seeking to feast off national economic amputation

There are those who say if you force people to invest in horses and buggies and use these for half of their road trips we would all be better off.  Not for them the superficiality that this would reduce real incomes as a result of investing in technology that is higher cost, prone to breakdown and can only operate when the horses are not resting, eating or carrying excessive weight.

And so we come to the ‘Credible pathways to a 50% renewable energy target for Queensland’ Draft Report

The report concludes that if Queensland jettisons half its coal derived electricity and replaces the output with wind at three times the cost and greatly inferior reliability the state is $6 billion or so better off.

This magic pudding is the outcome of arcane economic modelling.

About 20 per cent of the estimated beneficial effects are due to an assumption that all the coal generators will keep operating in the face of having half of their output taken off them by subsidised wind and solar.  But, even without this unrealistic notion, the gains to Queensland are palpable.

The main driver is from diverting national government supplied helicopter money (or its regulatory equivalent) from other states into Queensland.  This is explained on page 108 where we see the darnedest statement,

“These results are consistent with expectations as the subsidisation of renewable energy into Queensland in effect diverts more efficient investments (from both the electricity and other sectors) from other states and territories to Queensland resulting in a gain in Queensland GSP but a loss of economic activity across the rest of Australia. Under the modelling outcomes, these subsidised investments in effect reduce capital and labour productivity over time, leading to lower incomes, investment and GDP.”

What this convoluted language says is that base case has the national measures already incorporated (though it vastly understates the damage that replacing cars with the horse and buggy and stagecoaches).  The base case assumes a $40 per tonne national carbon tax, that wind/solar increase their efficiency and other technologies don’t, and that the gas price is an elevated $7 gj.  These suppositions lift commercially supplied electricity costs up to their renewables level (assuming also that the tricky business of reliability can be solved).

The Queensland panel’s report shifts the inherent reduction in GDP that the carbon tax causes around the nation in ways that are thought to be more efficient for Queensland (and marginally less efficient for the nation as a whole).  So the economics is smoke and mirrors to show that, given economic amputation is coming at a national level, Queensland can reduce its own in-state costs.  That’s not quite how the hapless Energy Minister, Mark Bailey, explained it

My own analysis is that economic amputation is economic amputation even if politicians support it to pander to green mysticism and donation-rich renewable energy businesses.  I have a piece in the Herald Sun and its sister publications.  Among the points it makes is

The Andrews government has set a 40 per cent renewables goal by 2025.

That’s up from the existing 14 per cent and represents a doubling of the target set only last year.

One indicator of the expense this entails comes from Germany, where a renewables goal of only 30 per cent is estimated to cost $37,000 per household.

Victoria’s target would require over 2,000 giant wind turbines in addition to the 600 presently operating.

But, attracted to the idea of winning back green voters and at the same time tapping into political donations from renewable energy businesses, the Andrews government is seeking to replace the highly reliable low cost electricity supply system based on four giant coal plants in the La Trobe Valley.

Annual spending on renewable programs in Australia is $3.7 billion by the Commonwealth and $1.2 billion by state governments (about $440 million for Victoria).  That’s nearly $5 billion a year being spent to actually reduce the electricity system’s reliability.

This is set to rise.  Commonwealth programs aim to get a 23 per cent renewables share of electricity supply by 2020.  Additional hydro is prohibited so this means raising the current share of wind and solar to about 15 per cent from the present level of 6 per cent.

In addition to the expense the Commonwealth’s own policies entail, energy minister Josh Frydenberg estimates that if the states (primarily Victoria and Queensland) were to achieve the additional goals they have set, this would add another $41 billion in worthless capital expenditure.

It is unfortunate for Australia that energy policy sacrifices the public interest for political gain.

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64 Responses to Queensland and Victoria seeking to feast off national economic amputation

  1. karabar

    Anyone that thinks “renewables” produce anything but double the cost and double the CO2 has not hasd a chance to examine the evidence from an experiment similar to that which the geniuses in Victoria and Queensland are contemplating.

  2. Fat Tony

    It is unfortunate for Australia that energy policy sacrifices the public interest for political gain.

    What political gain???
    This type of monumental screwing over of the electorate can only end in tears for politicians.
    Would there be other gains for politicians to indulge in the destruction of their own countries?
    Just how much corruption is in this field?

  3. H B Bear

    Just how much corruption is in this field?

    Ask yourself who owned Pacific Hydro as it set about mining taxpayer subsidies?

  4. RobK

    Keep up the good work Alan.
    The costs of beefing up the grid to accommodate renewables are rarely considered. This is retrograde nonsense on all fronts. Let unsubsidized renewables compete with grid standards and specifications left unaltered.

  5. MotherHubbard'sDog

    Frydenberg is being extremely kind on the cost of the ridiculous renewable targets. His estimate only pays for the generating capacity, not the added transmission infrastructure, the extra backup to ensure supply reliability or the borrowing costs for the capital required. Besides, there is no evidence that a grid with that much “renewable” power would even work. A very dangerous experiment.

  6. Snoopy

    I searched the paper for ‘royalties’ to no avail. Doesn’t the coal used for electricity generation incur royalties payable to the Queensland government? Won’t that income be drastically reduced if electricity is 50% wind? If it’s not then where’s the environmental benefit?

  7. Bruce of Newcastle

    The base case assumes a $40 per tonne national carbon tax

    Hmmm. Does that mean the federal ALP has briefed the Qld state ALP and advised them they intend to bring in a $40/t carbon tax? I thought Australians hated the carbon tax. I certainly did.

    Perhaps someone could ask Mr Shorten to categorically rule out a carbon tax in his policies.

  8. Louis

    Mate we are so bust in QLD anyway. The State government debt is over $60b (it’s hard to know exactly what it is because of all the magic maths done). There is NO effort to reduce this. Every time some cost is cut (e.g. a job) it is replace with another (usually more expensive) cost. For every lower paid PS made redundant, a higher paid position has been created in another area.

    Almost all of our councils are underwater, including all of the biggest. And none of that takes into a account that they have been raking in record incomes from development, high property prices (resulting in high rates), not spending sufficiently on infrastructure maintenance and the fact that many services have moved from general funding to user pays fees (without an equivalent decrease in the over all rates/taxes people pay).

  9. Art Vandelay

    It’s instructive to look at the members of this Renewable Energy Expert Panel. N0t surprisingly, they all seem to be rent-seekers and carpet-baggers.

    The main driver is from diverting national government supplied helicopter money (or its regulatory equivalent) from other states into Queensland.

    How well does helicopter money from other states work when it comes to stimulating economic activity? We can look at SA for example: unemployment over 7%, declining business investment and flat gross state product.

    Even ‘green jobs’ at SA’s wind farms are estimated (by a left-wing journalist) to number only around 160.

  10. Thefrolickingmole

    On a side note I haven’t seen any complaints about “gold plating poles and wires” which was all the rage for blaming power cost increases in the Gillard regieme.
    And I haven’t seen any lib pollie bring it up as a free shot at labour either after the storms.

    The economic case for their modelling rests entirely on all the lemmings stampeding over the cliff around the same time.

  11. Baldrick

    Just one of two things, cheap labour or cheap power, will lift Australia out of its economic malaise.

    We have neither.

  12. John Constantine

    Toryproofed contracts will be issued by the moony Andrews government, in a brilliantly effective wealth transfer from the despised proles to the new transnational aristocracy.

  13. Richard

    Victoria’s target would require over 2,000 giant wind turbines in addition to the 600 presently operating.
    I wonder where Victoria would put them, each turbine requires a large foundation base and the road network interconnecting each of them. And as far as I know they don’t put them in national parks/State forests/deserts/useless agricultural land. They always seem to be sitting in pretty lush pasture. If each turbine sits on 10,000 m² pad and they around a kilometre apart 10,000 m² road from one to the next one. The 2000 turbines occupy 40 km² of pretty nice agricultural land, the loss of that land producing also needs to be accounted for.

  14. Entropy

    I searched the paper for ‘royalties’ to no avail. Doesn’t the coal used for electricity generation incur royalties payable to the Queensland government? Won’t that income be drastically reduced if electricity is 50% wind? If it’s not then where’s the environmental benefit?

    Well, they obviously assumed royalty revenue to the state would remain the same for four reasons:
    1. It is convenient for the model’s outcome;
    2. They expect other countries to not be stupid and keep buying coal;
    3. They expect domestic coal power to keep base load going even though 50% renewable;
    4. It s convenient for the the model outcome.

    Did I mention it was convenient? Stupid media will just report the headline figure and won’t look at the details anyway. Becuase they are stupid.

  15. Entropy

    So export coal royalties remain the same but Australia will have a $40/t price on cawbon. Riiight..

  16. Grigory M

    It’s good to live in NSW, where for the foreseeable future, coal-fire electricity generation still rules and no-one can be forced to accept a smart meter.

  17. Roger

    What are all these damned wind towers going to do to the environment?

  18. cohenite

    Renewables don’t work; this is a hoax, a scam, a fraud. These people belong in jail

  19. Stevo

    Is this stating the case for the qld gov books, but not addressing the more holistic problem of whether the average qld and Australian (taxpayer) is actually better off? Clearly it’s robbing peter to pay paul.

  20. robbie mac

    “we are so bust in Qld” . . . that’s true
    and everything else Louis wrote.

  21. johanna

    Perhaps they are just tired of subsidising the two Tasmanias, and want some of the money back?

    Seriously, this takes shonky “modelling” to a new level. How making something (energy) more expensive and unreliable makes it cheaper is Alice in Wonderland stuff.

  22. RobK

    Siting a wind farm considers several factors (aside from subsidies) including wind resources, present land use/cost, distance to HV lines, capacities of HV lines, aesthetics/social factors. The best, most economic sites have been taken. It’s all uphill from here. Wind turbines have a relatively short life (around 20 years if you are kind). It’s unclear to me if deconstruction and reconstruction costs are factored in.

  23. WolfmanOz

    As per The Bridge On The River Kwai:

    Madness. Madness !

  24. Tel

    It’s good to live in NSW, where for the foreseeable future, coal-fire electricity generation still rules and no-one can be forced to accept a smart meter.

    You are going to stand in public and double dare Mike Baird to do something stupid, are you?

    Any other fun and death defying activities you get up to that we should know about?

  25. herodotus

    Why is it that so many can see how crazy this thing is, while politicians of nearly all persuasions, and a large percentage of the media just can’t let it go?
    I have to admit that I’ve worked with people who believe the whole scam, but then they have an excuse of sorts in the tidal wave of propaganda that has been flowing for so long.

  26. John Michelmore

    As the administrator of the debt laden Arium steel works in Whyalla, after they just survived the loss of power in SA said; to be competitive in steel manufacturing we need reliable and cheap energy to compete, South Australia has neither of these. His intention is to upgrade the boilers and generators at the plant and go off grid. That sounds like a good idea!

  27. john constantine

    Deconstruction costs are factored in to windmill rort calculations, and the limited lifespans are correctly valued

    This is why the profits are front end loaded and can be stripped out, cunning wind aristocrats can leave the smouldering ruins in a valueless shell company while they live it up large inside the sob-bubble on the initial profits.

    The contracts that yarragrad will lock victoria into–does anybody believe that front-end loaded profits and tail end loaded liabilities will not be a feature?.

    Happy to be proven wrong, how about a royal commission into who pays for the end of life liabilities of the windmills, and who pays for the depreciation of the transmission infrastructure/.

    The left are fuckers, the libs are feckless, the media are froth and bubble and the poor bastard taxpayer and ratepayer are financially filleted .

  28. OneWorldGovernment

    John Michelmore
    #2173297, posted on October 14, 2016 at 7:49 pm

    As the administrator of the debt laden Arium steel works in Whyalla, after they just survived the loss of power in SA said; to be competitive in steel manufacturing we need reliable and cheap energy to compete, South Australia has neither of these. His intention is to upgrade the boilers and generators at the plant and go off grid. That sounds like a good idea!

    To be competitive in steel manufacturing get out of Australia.

  29. john constantine

    The wonderful thing about windmills is that they increase the aggregate amount of wealth available to be raided by the social justice robber barons.

    [what remains after the raiding culture has done social justice to it is non-productive and the capital sunk beyond salvage, but the proles can pay to fix it.]

  30. john constantine

    The important timeframe for their left is their own personal peak consumption years.

    If windmills give them upfront wealth and and access to the free cocktail and social happennings circuit, whatever happens in twenty years time is all off in a galaxy far, far, away.

  31. John Constantine

    Social media sees environment Victoria campaigning to destroy Hazelwood power plant and van badham blaming privatization for blackouts in the guardian.

    Fuckers everywhere,piling onto the lucrative gravy train. Beats working for a living.

  32. HRT

    Art Vandelay
    #2173254, posted on October 14, 2016 at 6:42 pm
    It’s instructive to look at the members of this Renewable Energy Expert Panel. N0t surprisingly, they all seem to be rent-seekers and carpet-baggers.

    Thank you – their bios are worth reading. It’s tempting to think they decided on the conclusion and then went about writing the report.

  33. Beachside

    Victorian Green Bonds An Australian And World First

    Victoria has become the first Government in Australia to issue Green Bonds, raising $300 million to finance a range of new and existing projects that deliver environmental benefits.

    The Victorian Green Bonds, issued by the Treasury Corporation of Victoria (TCV), are also the first state or federal government-issued bonds anywhere in the world to receive international Climate Bond Certification.

    The triple-A rated bond, which was launched on 18 July, was fully subscribed in a little over 24 hours.

    The total book order of $300 million was supported by 17 investors, representing insurance companies, funds management and investors with a specific green or socially responsible investment (SRI) mandate.

    The Green Bonds proceeds will go to financing and refinancing State investments in energy efficiency, renewable energy generation, low carbon public transport and water treatment.

    Projects will include LED traffic lights, mini-hydroelectric power stations, low-carbon buildings, the Melbourne Metro Tunnel, new trains, the Mernda Rail extension and the development of a large-scale renewable energy power station.

    The London-based Climate Bonds Initiative certified the bond under its Climate Bond Standard & Certification Scheme, to ensure Green Bond proceeds are used in ways consistent with delivering a low-carbon economy.

    RTWT @ Link

  34. Snoopy

    I suppose “funds management” is code for super funds.

  35. Paul Farmer

    “Queensland Government policy action to achieve the 50% target under the Stronger National Action pathway is not itself projected to effect retail bills, due to new renewable capacity being primarily driven through the national emissions intensity scheme.”

    This statement from the document says it all. In other words………while Canberra subsidizes this crazy stuff , we the state of Qld should also continue to do crazy stuff to ensure we get our share of the largesse ! If you wanted an example of why our federal model is not working there it is.

    The Libs really have to have a hard look at the National scheme and shut it down (ok I am dreaming, but at least Hunt should have evidence now of where this stupidity leads and severely restrict it) as their scheme is going to create dysfunctional rent seeking behavior everywhere from all States government. For a State government to be able to base an entire energy policy on just ripping off Canberra which is really what this document is saying in bureaucratese ………….then how sustainable is the national policy ? I note the Qld document doesn’t address what happens if this money pot is wound back because other states have ripped the system off faster and built capacity faster ………..What a mess this RET is becoming , we have managed to by bureaucratic design build an arms race among our States to build totally ineffective and the totally uneconomic energy……….. the LRET gets the Sir Humprhey Gold Star for idiocy of the highest order………. it will end up being 7 bureaucracies outdoing each other to waste money the fastest and ultimately who will pay the bill ? Us the consumer………….but they have the hide to write their will be no increase in power bills. What a bunch of fucking idiots………

  36. cohenite

    Outside of the governments the biggest financier of renewables are the Industry Super Funds which is why the alp is hell-bent on their renewable policy.

    Between renewables, alarmism and muslims this country is stuffed

  37. entropy

    The Libs really have to have a hard look at the National scheme and shut it down (ok I am dreaming, but at least Hunt should have evidence now of where this stupidity leads and severely restrict it)

    If you think that Turnbull class wanker Hunt is anything but an enabler of this kind of rolled turd, mendacious stupidity, you are sillier than he is.

  38. johanna

    Hunt has been running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds on this issue for a long time. When SA went black, he put on his concerned face and tut-tutted. But, he has always been a climate alarmist and there is no sign that this leopard is changing its spots anytime soon.

  39. JC

    If you think that Turnbull class wanker Hunt is anything but an enabler of this kind of rolled turd, mendacious stupidity, you are sillier than he is.

    He put together and implemented the Abbott plan – Direct Action – without so much as putting a toe in the wrong place. In the end he supported Abbott and didn’t stab the dude in the back.

    Hunt is a class act, Ent. He also very capable and very, very smart.

  40. Art Vandelay

    Hunt is a loon who would be at home in the Greens. He cooked up the Liberal’s secret ETS (with Abbott’s approval) which came into force not long ago.

    On another note, I managed to dig up this old article from James Delingpole where he estimates the subsidy claimed by a single wind turbine:

    Where the money is to be made is through the REC subsidy. A 3MW wind turbine that generates (at most) $150,000 worth of electricity a year is eligible for guaranteed subsidies of $500,000 a year.

    Not a bad earner. No wonder all the rent-seekers are agitating for the States to approve more wind farms.

  41. Bushkid

    As a Queenslander just trying to get by I’m utterly disgusted by what the ALP mis-government is planning to do. Just how the hell do they think this or any modern economy is going to function without reliable base load electricity generation, let alone competitively-priced electricity? FFS, hospitals in SA were running on emergency generators, and one of those failed. Patients were in operating theatres being prepped for surgery when the lights literally went out. Patients had to be evacuated when a back-up gennie failed. The steel works, already on the verge of collapse, was left with a belly-full of cooling metal, and a bill running into the $millions to get back into production. The hard fact is that the wind turbines all failed at the same time, and before the rusty old pylons fell over. The total blackout of SA was a direct result of their excessive reliance on “renewable” (Ha!) electricity generation. This is the 21st century, not the bloody dark ages, what the hell is any responsible entity doing relying on a technology that was superseded hundreds of years ago, and whose production is so polluting!

    Either they’re too stupid to sit in my State Parliament (a pretty fair assumption, really), or they’re totally corrupt, venal,lying bastards who are out to screw as much out of ordinary people as they can to line their own pockets by way of this utter sham and scam (an even more fair assumption). Either way, they’re just not even worthy of scraps from my table, much less the positions of trust and excessive pay and over-generous conditions and “pensions” they award themselves.

    There has to be a criminal case able to be brought against these destructive goons. The responsibility of government is first and foremost the protection of the people of the nation/state, their lives, security and prosperity. These grubs are gleefully robbing us of all that they should be protecting and preserving on our behalf. This is our state and country collectively, not theirs.

    For the political lackeys who read these pages for their political masters: Take note – we ordinary little people out here in the real world are way past being fed up with the bloody lot of you leeches. We’re more than a wake up to your corruption and arrogance. We hold you in utter contempt; you disgust us. You think we don’t matter or count, but we are your masters, not the other way round.

  42. Zyconoclast

    I’m in NSW.
    Tell me what did Campbell Newman that was soooooooo bad that QLD would elect the ALP again after such a disasterous Beattie/Bligh run of governments?

  43. Snoopy

    Newman was an absolute beast, Zycon. He paid 14000 public servants very generous (mostly voluntary) redundancies. He also sought to lease and sell state owned enterprises and use the returns to retire debt and build productive infrastructure.

    Labor has since rehired many more than Newman let go. It is using the income from state owned enterprises to pay public service wages and borrowing to fund its infrastructure program.

    All this demonstrates the utter futility of conservative governments seeking to balance budgets and retire debt instead of going for broke and slashing taxes and regulations.

  44. Snoopy

    Actually, Palaszczuk is also forcing state owned enterprises to borrow so they can provide additional returns to the government.

  45. Zyconoclast

    So Snoopy, so no matter how deparaved (I’m looking at you Daniel Andrews) or incompetent the ALP is the voters, dead or alive keep coming back for more punishment.

    It reminds me of the relationship between a prostitute who act as a dominatrix and specialises in whips and kicking the client in the gonads.
    The client is paying for the abuse he craves but can’t explain why he craves it. He just keeps coming back for more.
    Once every blue moon he tries another dominatrix who only uses the whip. He finds this unsatisfying.
    He misses the pain of getting his gonads crushed. He then returns to the first domitatrix.

  46. Zyclonoclast;

    Tell me what did Campbell Newman that was soooooooo bad that QLD would elect the ALP again after such a disasterous Beattie/Bligh run of governments?

    IIRC, he expressed a desire to grope a girl when he was 16.
    Totally beyond the pale.

  47. Crossie

    But, attracted to the idea of winning back green voters and at the same time tapping into political donations from renewable energy businesses, the Andrews government is seeking to replace the highly reliable low cost electricity supply system based on four giant coal plants in the La Trobe Valley.

    Nice racket they have there. The government subsidises renewable companies with taxpayers’ money some of which is then redirected back to political parties via donations. Everybody wins except the taxpayers.

    I think this is something Pauline Hanson’s mob should campaign on at the next election.

  48. john constantine

    Their governments inflate their sob-bubble with borrowed money, which enriches crony social justice media, crony social justice law firms, crony social justice service providers, crony social justice activists, crony social justice electricity crony social justice big business and crony thug unions.

    Like a drunks unthinking projectile vomit into the pub gutter at closing time,only a small amount splashes back to those occupying crony government, but it is alright, a small percentage of a trillion dollars is still a lot of money.

    The proles can pay one day.

  49. Beachside

    johanna
    #2173378, posted on October 14, 2016 at 10:43 pm

    Hunt has been running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds on this issue for a long time. When SA went black, he put on his concerned face and tut-tutted. But, he has always been a climate alarmist and there is no sign that this leopard is changing its spots anytime soon.

    Abbott had Hunt on a leash; Turnbull set him free.

  50. Beachside

    Art Vandelay
    #2173410, posted on October 15, 2016 at 12:07 am

    Hunt is a loon who would be at home in the Greens. He cooked up the Liberal’s secret ETS (with Abbott’s approval) which came into force not long ago.

    Al Gore joins Clive Palmer to back emissions trading scheme for Australia

    Clive Palmer has said his party will support the abolition of the carbon tax but not that of the renewable energy target and the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, and he wants an emissions trading scheme, which he announced with former US Vice President Al Gore by his side.

    RTWT
    Transcript

  51. Beachside

    Al Gore was urged by his US-based advisers to pull out of the Clive Palmer press conference when it became clear the Palmer United Party would not link its support for the abolition of the carbon tax to an immediate move to an emissions trading scheme.

    Flanked by Mr Gore, Mr Palmer pledged his support for a zero dollar ETS that could be activated when the world reached agreement on tackling climate change.

    Mr Gore has been heavily criticised for adding legitimacy to an event that was less about action on climate change and more about terminating one of the world’s first attempts to put a price on carbon.

    Link

  52. Entropy

    Zyconoclast
    #2173429, posted on October 15, 2016 at 1:08 am
    I’m in NSW.
    Tell me what did Campbell Newman that was soooooooo bad that QLD would elect the ALP again after such a disasterous Beattie/Bligh run of governments?

    He was arrogant
    He made the mistake of following due process for major infrastructure approvals rather than create special legislation just for Clive Palmer, and then failing to divert Palmer in another direction.
    He cut 15,000 public servant jobs at the same time he allowed a massive pay rise for politicians.
    Abbott awarded a knighthood to some old English fossil, and started a GST debate during the Qld election campaign.
    He was arrogant.

  53. Entropy

    What Art said, JC. Leaving aside the merit of direct action, Hunt did what Abbott wanted but also did a lot of underhand stuff to implement his agenda when Abbott wasn’t paying attention. Got what he wanted without rocking the boat. Turnbull didn’t like Hunt because he didn’t rock the Abbott boat enough to suit his own ambitions.

  54. Tom

    The Wilderness Society, goes feral and threatens the Prime Minister in their e-mail advertisement for more funds.
    Maybe Chairman Mal will abandon his Green cred following this. Not holding my breath though.

  55. Rabz

    As cohenite has pointed out, there’s not much more you can say about the evil anti-civilisationist imbeciles pushing this insanity except that they should be gaoled.

    However, it needs to happen, rather than just be talked about. It’s way past time.

  56. New Chum

    This was a submission by Anton Lang to the Queensland energy expert panel and well worth reading.
    https://papundits.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/submission-for-queensland-50-renewable-target-by-2030-minus-address-and-telephone.pdf
    Malcolm Roberts One Nation Queensland Senator in his maiden speech said ” who would have thought that governments would create a tax on the very air we breathe , the Carbon Dioxide Tax .”
    for maiden speech google Malcolm Roberts maiden speech

  57. robbie mac

    Was Campbell Newman arrogant? Probably.
    Politicians tend to be arrogant, but most disguise it; Newman annoyed people.
    If Nicholls (capable Treasurer) had been leader, they would have got over the line.
    A dark day for Queensland when Ms Palaszczuk took over.

  58. mh

    Donald Trump is the only candidate during the entire US election campaign that has spoken out against the Renewable Energy scam.

    George H W Bush says he will be voting for Hillary. This explains why

  59. Yohan

    Hunt is a class act, Ent. He also very capable and very, very smart.

    Very true. He slipped in a backdoor ETS under Abbott, and was the biggest supporter of keeping the RET.

    And that’s why he deserves to go against the wall when the revolution comes.

  60. Yohan

    SA’s wholesale energy costs are now 2-3x that of eastern states. And it is only that LOW because we can get excess power from the VIC interlink.

    What happens when VIC goes full retard with 40% renewable power also? Do the clowns here not realise those spikes to $1200 and $20,00o power cost will become a regular daily feature when VIC also ramps up the renewable’s?

    At least we have a spare coal power plant in mothball… oops, we blew up the chimney stack a few months ago.

  61. Bushkid

    Thanks Rabz, it’s good to be able to vent ones real feelings from time to time. It fair warms the cockles of ones heart.

  62. About the only practical step left open to us is to vote One Nation at every election and put the Greens last.

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