So what has feminism done lately?

A very interesting conversation between Trisha Jha and Parnell McGuinness on feminism.

Trisha Jha, it seems, won’t be calling herself a feminist any longer:

It’s been a long time coming – no-platforming, abuse of safe spaces, trigger warnings, microaggressions, you name it. Ideas that were once useful in improving understanding of gender and feminist issues are now instead being used to shut down discussion, rather than enlighten it.

By contrast, Parnell McGuinness:

In the Western tradition I grew up, feminism didn’t just shape my life, it made my life possible. …

For all the bleating about “privilege”, the identity warriors seem blind to great Western privilege that has been conferred on them by generations of feminists. That is the privilege to live in a society in which microaggressions have largely replaced macro aggressions, to be triggered rather than silenced, to be queer, promiscuous, or pretty much anything else you can persuade someone to consent to.

Be sure to read all of Parnell’s piece – it is magnificent writing. The overarching point being that we should never forget or trivialise the feminist struggle for equality.

I find myself being in the position of agreeing with both of them. But Trisha’s point is more valuable. The fact is – in many parts of the world, but not all – feminism has realised a glorious victory. To be sure, the victory has not been as complete as some would have liked, but legal, social, and political obstacles to female advancement are largely gone, or going. The gender pay gap is largely a statistical artefact. Parnell is quite right to suggest that we should never forget where we have come from in this regard.

The point is, however, the war has been won. Now nobody is asking the feminists to go quietly into the night – enjoy the victory. This is where Trisha’s point comes in. Feminists are keeping up the fight and moving well beyond equality between the sexes to social engineering.

Anyway – read the exchange for yourself.

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76 Responses to So what has feminism done lately?

  1. Monkey's Uncle

    The overarching point being that we should never forget or trivialise the feminist struggle for equality.

    Hang on, I didn’t realise this was a socialist forum. Since when has equality been achievable or desirable?

    Feminists don’t believe in equality. They simply believe in demanding equal outcomes or a presumption of equal merit or ability whenever it suits them. For example, we must have affirmative action and state-enforced equal outcomes if women are less successful than men in any area. But it’s okay if women enjoy superior outcomes to men in other areas. Or it’s okay to acknowledge differences between the sexes if those differences reflect better on women than men, or if they can be used to justify extra considerations for women in certain areas. But we must ignore or suppress all differences between the sexes if they may reflect better on men or be used to justify extra considerations for males in other areas.

    That is one of the biggest (among many) problems with equality as a concept. Most people don’t really believe in it. But groups that are more favoured at given times will invariably demand equal rights or equal outcomes insofar as it suits them in the short term. In that sense, ‘equality’ just becomes another cudgel that politically favoured groups wield over those not in favour.

    No, we must never forget or trivialise the feminist struggle for (fairweather) equality. It is a serious threat to due process and freedom.

  2. john constantine

    Weaponised wymynsys care about females as much as their weaponised greens care about the enviroment.

    It is cultural marxism all the way down, stacked like turtles, and their entire realities have it as their foundation.

  3. Tel

    It is cultural marxism all the way down …

    Turning the fringes against the middle.

    The powerful and protected people can create various client groups of street fighting shock troops who are useful as a force to destabilize the mostly law abiding middle classes. Radical feminists are one such group, they benefit from government money in various forms (university wymynsys studies, special quotas in government departments, protected employment positions, etc) and they repay by attacking the enemies of their controllers.

    Another different group with similar structure is Black Lives Matter, who operate as professional thugs to start riots, break down social trust, push a divisive agenda and prevent any predominately black neighborhood from improving itself by joining the overall economy. Thus, client group, dependent of government, attack anyone who points out they could better themselves.

    So many of these fringe groups have been infiltrated and weaponized, always with anti-capitalist ideas. Always end up marrying the State and turning themselves into clients of big government. You would think they would wake up to themselves.

  4. Dash

    Trisha Jha helped organise a ‘SlutWalk’ as recently as 2011. And now she’s dismayed at the War on Masculinity in Victorian public education? I don’t even understand, or want to understand, all of the identity-group psycho-jargon in that article.

    This bit from the other article is true:

    If there is any group that is oblivious to the automatic benefits bestowed upon it based on gender, race or socio-economic class, it is women of the wealthy Western world, who believe that they would be where they are without the efforts of their mothers and fathers to build a tolerant, open and prosperous society.

    But not entirely. Feminism has become a dirty word for women who might be said to enjoy its benefits because, like so many social movements, it hasn’t known when to stop. It’s gone too far, for too long, and been subsumed in the broader leftist Identity Wars. Its most vocal proponents are largely silent on the worst offences against women in the modern world, because to speak out against anti-women Islamic practices would offend another special identity group.

    In the current campaign for most powerful politician in the free world, the Corporate Media is awash with unproven claims of women being touched by the male candidate. The female presidential candidate, who covered up for her sexual predator husband, struggles even to allude to the clear and present danger of radical Islam, especially for women, including all of those women sexually assaulted by Muslim ‘refugees’ pouring into Western Europe. The Corporate Media makes no mention of evidence suggesting a cosy relationship between the Clintons and certain hardline Islamic countries.

    And feminism hasn’t been able to acknowledge its faults. For all its talk of ‘choice’, too often it has assumed that all women (of the same culture) think the same and want the same things. It’s been unwilling or unable to entertain the possibility of some women preferring certain aspects of life in the ‘bad old fifties’ to the ‘Sex & the City’/Tindr modern era. It continues to pretend that its way is all tolerance and freedom to choose, instead of acknowledging the reality that all social change means social pressure, including to conform, whatever the direction: ‘forward’ (= “good”) or backward’ (=”bad”) or sideways.

  5. JC

    Trisha Jha, it seems, won’t be calling herself a feminist any longer:

    Great for her.

    Trisha Jha helped organise a ‘SlutWalk’ as recently as 2011. And now she’s dismayed at the War on Masculinity in Victorian public education?

    Gee that’s awfully nice of her. How about she just fucks off, but before she does that a decent apology would be nice too.

  6. JC

    Presumably, if she indeed helped organize the slut walk in 2011, she doesn’t mind being called a slut, or more appropriately now, an ex-slut.

    I’m just trying to get the description eggsactly right here.

  7. Zyconoclast

    Now nobody is asking the feminists to go quietly…

    I’m asking.

  8. Habib

    This’ll draw crabs, however if women didn’t vote there wouldn’t be a Green in office anywhere, at any level.

  9. Monkey's Uncle

    Trisha Jha helped organise a ‘SlutWalk’ as recently as 2011.

    This type of information comes as a bit of a disappointment to me. Trisha Jha has often struck me as a sensible and intelligent woman.

    It’s too bad now that if I happen to see her being attacked by a rabid dog, I will have to walk on by instead of stopping to help.

  10. A Lurker

    This’ll draw crabs, however if women didn’t vote there wouldn’t be a Green in office anywhere, at any level.

    Be fair, there are many, many rational women out there who vote Conservative.

  11. Mitch

    This whole idea of being “triggered” and needing “safe spaces” actually just perpetuates stereotypes of women as damsels in distress needing saving. How feminists can get behind that is beyond me.

  12. Habib

    Certainly, but the Greens voter base is overwhelmingly female, with a few very beta males tagging along. Ironically their elected representatives are mostly very white, mostly sort of heterosexual males.

  13. Sinclair Davidson

    Trisha Jha helped organise a ‘SlutWalk’ as recently as 2011.

    FFS. People.

    She was encouraging a whole bunch of women to walk around half-naked and you guys are bitching about it? There was a time when Cats would be saying “Bless her heart”.

  14. Tom

    if women didn’t vote there wouldn’t be a Green in office anywhere, at any level.

    Correct.

    The fruitcake left is now 80% wymmynses, 15% male eunuch, 4% transvestite and 1% Roz Ward.

  15. Monkey's Uncle

    This’ll draw crabs, however if women didn’t vote there wouldn’t be a Green in office anywhere, at any level.

    All true, but you can find other demographic variables that are a stronger predictor of voting intention. The question then becomes why sex should be the deciding factor and not something else.

    Moreover, it is hard to find many examples of significant periods of time where most or all men had the vote, while most or all women didn’t. If you go back to the days when women couldn’t vote in today’s mature democracies, the vast majority of men also didn’t have the vote (and the size of government was much smaller then, so voting in national elections wasn’t as big a deal). Indeed, for most of human history pretty much no one had the right to vote. There was little time lag between most men getting the vote and most women.

    Depriving all women of the vote while allowing most or all men to vote wouldn’t be a return to some bygone tradition. It would be a radical separation from existing historical development so far. It would be animating a feminist zombie straw man.

  16. Baldrick

    The point is, however, the war has been won. Now nobody is asking the feminists to go quietly into the night – enjoy the victory. This is where Trisha’s point comes in. Feminists are keeping up the fight and moving well beyond equality between the sexes to social engineering.

    American cosmetics brand Covergirl, has a new ‘boundary breaker’ covergirl.
    Hilarious.

  17. Atoms for Peace

    Haven’t you all heard? The feminists are going to take on the Saudis.
    I am such a hopeless liar….

  18. Monkey's Uncle

    This whole idea of being “triggered” and needing “safe spaces” actually just perpetuates stereotypes of women as damsels in distress needing saving. How feminists can get behind that is beyond me.

    Most modern feminism is built on the assumption that women are delicate little petals and damsels in distress that need endless amounts of protection, support and encouragement. While men are expected to valiantly ignore their own problems and needs and come to the aid of the poor, precious women. It is basically old fashioned chivalry and courtly deference on steroids.

    Feminism has never really been a radical movement, so much as a kind of reactionary, chauvinistic and ultra-conservative movement. It is basically a movement designed to take existing biases in favour of females and against most males to further extremes than was previously the case.

  19. JC

    FFS. People.

    She was encouraging a whole bunch of women to walk around half-naked and you guys are bitching about it? There was a time when Cats would be saying “Bless her heart”.

    These two positions are not mutually exclusive, Sinc. 🙂

  20. Tom

    Feminists are keeping up the fight and moving well beyond equality between the sexes to social engineering.

    Turning men into women is so last century.

    One by one, our designated victims have allowed their takeover by the Marxian project — ‘vironment, wymminsys, pouves — that has only one ambition: the destruction of capitalism and the West.

    The twentieth century left would now be regarded as a right-wing hate group.

  21. Parnell

    Bahahaha. You guys crack me up.

    Actually, I disagree with you Sinc; the war has not been won. If it had been, we wouldn’t be debating whether it’s ok to let some cultures cut the clitorises off their girl children in the name of tradition, or, in Germany, whether women should just be more careful now there are more single men with “old school” attitudes to women about.

    The war isn’t won, but the identity warriors who’re trying to make off with the feminism mantle aren’t waging it. It’s time for real feminists to take it back.

  22. Nic

    Thanks for posting this Sinc, I’ll send the link on. Older feminists are scathing of the present ‘wave’ for two reasons: the present wave shows little respect towards older feminists and their achievements and secondly, what fragile flowers the present wave are. Older feminists laugh their heads off.

  23. TMG

    She was encouraging a whole bunch of women to walk around half-naked and you guys are bitching about it? There was a time when Cats would be saying “Bless her heart”.

    Extra points for a July in Canberra.

  24. Stimpson J. Cat

    Trisha Jha helped organise a ‘SlutWalk’ as recently as 2011.

    I have a problem with this.
    Sluts walking and not getting paid is a prime example of the pay gap between sluts and prostitutes.
    Sluts should get equal pay with prostitutes.
    Either equality matters or it does not.

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Women are not men in body or in mind. We are simply the other half of humanity.
    We can never be ‘equal’ because we are different. Most of us appreciate our difference.
    Just as we appreciate the vote, legal equality, fair wages for the work we do, and our rights to be fully-fledged members of the human race, not also rans nor chattels, when it comes to contributing to our world now and in the future.
    We are also mothers. We make babies with our bodies. We have a special relationship with our children. I’m not saying that men do not, but our bond is visceral, and that matters.
    I am an old-fashioned feminist. Serious about it, and conservative, holding onto what’s important.

  26. Crossie

    But not entirely. Feminism has become a dirty word for women who might be said to enjoy its benefits because, like so many social movements, it hasn’t known when to stop. It’s gone too far, for too long, and been subsumed in the broader leftist Identity Wars. Its most vocal proponents are largely silent on the worst offences against women in the modern world, because to speak out against anti-women Islamic practices would offend another special identity group.

    Feminism succeeded simply because men agreed or were prepared to be persuaded but activists were not ready to declare peace yet. To remain relevant the enervated activist feminists choose to refight the same ground over and over. It is so much safer than actually taking the fight to where the real inequality and oppression are now and that is the Muslim world.

    In fact, feminism is on the run at the hands of Muslims in the very bastions of feminism in Europe and Scandinavia. Western and/or Christian men may need to liberate women once again.

  27. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    To continue:

    Do I need to feel physically safe and to have respect given to me for that? Yes.
    Can I be strong and stand up for myself if I need to do so, except to violence? Yes.
    Can I do each and every job physically that a man can do as well as he can? No.
    Can I do most jobs just as effectively as a man can? Yes.
    Is my brain identical to that of a man? No.
    Is my brain inferior to that of a man? No.
    Is my brain superior to that of a man? No.
    Are men and women complimentary to each other in many ways? Yes.
    Are women gravely disadvantaged in the Western world? No.
    Are women gravely disadvantaged in the non-Western world? Yes.

    Simple questions, with straight answers. 🙂

  28. Stimpson J. Cat

    Simple questions, with straight answers. 🙂

    Are bald agile men attractive to all women? Yes.

  29. Crossie

    Thanks for posting this Sinc, I’ll send the link on. Older feminists are scathing of the present ‘wave’ for two reasons: the present wave shows little respect towards older feminists and their achievements and secondly, what fragile flowers the present wave are. Older feminists laugh their heads off.

    Older feminists are responsible for the new wave of “triggering” happy feminists by not providing leadership and directing them to the new, or rather still existent, front in the muslim world. In my view, they will reclaim legitimacy when they do so.

  30. Crossie

    Are women gravely disadvantaged in the Western world? No.
    Are women gravely disadvantaged in the non-Western world? Yes.

    Lizzie, that is my point as well. Feminists are sabre rattling and re-fighting imaginary wars in territory they already hold yet shrink at the thought of taking the fight to the real enemy.

  31. robbie mac

    “… the enervated activist feminists choose to refight the same ground over and over .. so much safer”
    Indeed they do.

    And like you, Dash, I don’t want to understand the identity-group psycho-jargon in that article.

  32. Peter Greagg

    Of course we must remember the Milton Friedman’s argument – Case Against Equal Pay for Equal Work!

  33. No Eynestine

    Good on ya Lizzie B!

  34. herodotus

    Feminists are keeping up the fight and moving well beyond equality between the sexes to social engineering.

    And they’re not the only ones. Just look at the characters in Victoria (including the Premier) doing the Safe Schools time warp.

  35. vr

    Actually, I disagree with you Sinc; the war has not been won. If it had been, we wouldn’t be debating whether it’s ok to let some cultures cut the clitorises off their girl children in the name of tradition, or, in Germany, whether women should just be more careful now there are more single men with “old school” attitudes to women about.

    But, the feminists are not fighting these battles (someone above as pointed this as well). Here is Gloria Steinem evading the question why Sharia is not a problem.

  36. JC

    Are bald agile men attractive to all women? Yes.

    No and cheap rugs are too obvious.

  37. JC

    Feminists are sabre rattling and re-fighting imaginary wars in territory they already hold yet shrink at the thought of taking the fight to the real enemy.

    Not really. Most a men hating dykes.

  38. Cradock's Choice

    Stimp:

    Are bald agile men attractive to all women? Yes.

    Dunno about all.

    I have heard of one who is, though. And apperently he never says much to attract them.

    He just sits there, quietly licking his eyebrows.

  39. Zyconoclast

    Trisha Jha helped organise a ‘SlutWalk’ as recently as 2011.

    I have a problem with this.
    Sluts walking and not getting paid is a prime example of the pay gap between sluts and prostitutes.
    Sluts should get equal pay with prostitutes.
    Either equality matters or it does not.

    Sluts get paid in free drinks. This might be below minimum wage but better than the Di Natale pay scale.

    http://m.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/05/19/richard-di-natale-defends-paying-au-pair-150-a-week/

  40. Stimpson J. Cat

    He just sits there, quietly licking his eyebrows.

    True story.
    My sister can touch her nose with her tongue.
    She is not a feminist, slut, or a prostitute either.
    I am her brother though, so it’s not all beer and skittles.
    ?

  41. Stimpson J. Cat

    No and cheap rugs are too obvious.

    I am often compared with Bruce Willis, usually after I suggest Jason Statham and they say “No.”

  42. Gab

    Trisha Jha helped organise a ‘SlutWalk’ as recently as 2011.

    Interesting. The premise was that women can wear what they want and that is no reason for them to be attacked or raped.

    Pity this sort of walk isn’t organised for those muslimas who must cover their hair and face in public on pain of being brutally punished by their menfolk.

  43. Stimpson J. Cat

    Pity this sort of walk isn’t organised for those muslimas who must cover their hair and face in public on pain of being brutally punished by their menfolk.

    I cannot see a Lakemba Slutwalk happening any time soon.

  44. Habib

    Wasn’t promoting the disenfranchise of shieladom, just pointing out that our current political malaise owes some of its state due to womynses- and it’s not all social conscience and caring/nurturing instincts either, there’s a faur amount of self-interest in a burgeoning state for females.

  45. Stimpson J. Cat

    But, the feminists are not fighting these battles (someone above as pointed this as well).

    The problem with feminism, is the same as the problem with social justice warriors.
    They think that they can only tell white people the right way to do things.
    Anyone else is too hard.
    Also racist.

  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Are bald agile men attractive to all women? Yes.

    Of course they are, Stimps. Da Hairy Ape is missing a few more on top in recent years, but he is still very agile. I draw the line at innovative though. Too much of a good thing.

    I am, naturally, speaking of Hairy Restorative Companies here. No man of mine will wear a rug. 🙂

  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    wasn’t promoting the disenfranchise of shieladom

    Lova ya, Habib. Said like a true blue bloke. We need more of them.

    Not joking either.

  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    oops. Hair, not Hairy, up there. Hairy himself needs no restorative. The very idea! 🙂

  49. kevin

    They’re all sisters upside down.

  50. Stimpson J. Cat

    No man of mine will wear a rug. 🙂

    Regale me with tales of open fireplaces and bearskin Lizzie.
    You know you want to.
    ?

  51. Monkey's Uncle

    The irony of the Slutwalks is that most violent crimes, including forcible rape by a stranger, have actually been declining in many western countries over the past few decades. To the point where young women now feel it is safe to parade around wearing hardly anything in order to make a spectacle of themselves without much real fear of being attacked.

    If you go back to (say) the 1970s or 80s, women didn’t engage in this sort of behaviour because the real risk and fear of being attacked by a random stranger was higher back then.

    We’ve made the world safe for grandstanding, attention whoring, hussies. That is the real point.

    What is really needed now is a good recession and spike in violent crime. Prolonged economic growth and falling crime makes people stupid, smug and complacent.

  52. Feminism is the strongest nails in the coffin that is a sustainable population. But fear not, the replacements are coming.

  53. Rabz

    Women are not men in body or in mind. We are simply the other half of humanity.
    We can never be ‘equal’ because we are different. Most of us appreciate our difference.

    Vive la difference!

  54. Sinclair Davidson

    Actually, I disagree with you Sinc; the war has not been won.

    In the post I was careful to state in many parts of the world. The war has been won.

    If it had been, we wouldn’t be debating whether it’s ok to let some cultures cut the clitorises off their girl children in the name of tradition, or, in Germany, whether women should just be more careful now there are more single men with “old school” attitudes to women about.

    I don’t think anyone is debating “whether it’s ok to let some cultures cut the clitorises off their girl children” – the answer is just “No”.

    Both the issues you speak of are not feminist causes but civilisation causes. For mostly bad reasons we have become somewhat slack in expressing our values. It is simply not acceptable to cut off clitorises or abuse women for “old fashioned” reasons – as you suggest in your piece, your grandfather never thought of an honour killing and would never have thought of such a thing.

  55. Monkey's Uncle

    Older feminists are scathing of the present ‘wave’ for two reasons: the present wave shows little respect towards older feminists and their achievements and secondly, what fragile flowers the present wave are. Older feminists laugh their heads off.

    I have no doubt that the ‘good’ feminists will turn up and save us all from the ‘bad’ feminists and put everything right.

    If you don’t hear from me anymore on these forums, it is because I died holding my breath.

  56. Feminism is the strongest nails in the coffin that is a sustainable population. But fear not, the replacements are coming.

    It is so delightful that the Cat has its own embedded white supremacist. Just peachy.

  57. Rabz

    “Third wave” feminayzeeism (2000-) is a bust. Exhibit A: Clam Ford

    “Second wave” feminayzeeism (1950-2000) was all about white middle class boomer women in western countries demanding unearned privilege, at mens’ expense. Women suffering real oppression at the hands of stupid violent illiterate knuckle dragging wankers in oppressive patriarchal third world hellholes were of no relevance whatsoever.

    And that’s about it, really. Apart from the fact that it’s one of the most destructive frauds ever perpetrated on humanity.

  58. Muddy

    Stimpy, I respectfully demand you spank yourself very firmly with a large wet fish for leaving the word ‘warrior’ appended to the phrase ‘social justice.’
    As I’ve ranted previously, these people, much like the latest version of feminists, risk nothing. They operate in a very safe environment, contributing little but demanding much. In no way, shape or form do these soju oxythieves risk their limb and life for a cause greater than themselves.
    I know it’s a habit difficult to break, but please try not acknowledge their unearned title, because by doing so, we devalue those who truly are warriors.

  59. Helen

    Re “Women are not men in body or in mind. We are simply the other half of humanity.
    We can never be ‘equal’ because we are different. Most of us appreciate our difference.
    Vive la difference! ”
    My problem has always been that I’m really good at things that are generally considered to be male brain abilities, such as spatial, mechanical thinking and maths (but rarely credited with this – eg when blokes say ‘well, of course you wouldn’t understand…’), and that I’ve never looked like the girl in the Vive la difference link.
    This is a lose : lose situation. Not sure whether old or modern feminism is any help!

  60. Splatacrobat

    There is a survey going around LinkedIn that asks people to answer questions to see if they are privileged. It is the latest crazy to hit the Diversity SJW re-education camps.

    Here is my effort:
    1 . Are you a man? Yes, through no fault of my own. I blame my parents for their faulty genes. Sorry I’m not something other than male.
    2 . Are you Caucasian? Yes through no fault of my own. I blame my parents for their faulty genes. Sorry I’m not something other than white.
    3 . Are you over 180cm tall? Yes 186cm, through no fault of my own. I blame my parents for their faulty genes. Sorry I’m not something other than tall.
    4 . Are you under 50? No, I’m over 50. I’m your typical male, pale, and stale according to diversity advocates. Is there some sort of dispensation if I’m older than 50? Does that improve my diversity handicap being old?
    5 . Do you have a university degree or post secondary qualification? No. Unless you consider a trade a post secondary qualification. Then I am guilty as charged a privileged white male who bettered himself. 6 . Did you grow up in a good and safe area? Yes. But not through my own choosing. For some strange reason my parents (both without a school education and working class) scrimped and saved for a deposit to buy land in a good neighbourhood then spent 15 years building the house literally brick by brick. Of course I would have preferred to live in a high crime neighbourhood but my parents had the last say on the matter.
    7 . Did you finish high school? Yes. If you consider year 10 and aged 16 finishing. I would have liked to finish year 12 but my poor white privileged parents could not afford it.
    8 . Is English your first language? Yes. through no fault of my own. I blame King George the third for transporting my privileged convict ancestors on my mothers side and Adolf Hitler for displacing my father from Europe. If it wasn’t for them my first language might have been Welsh or German.
    9 . Have you ever got a job through a connection? Yes. The first job I ever had was a paper boy at 12 years old. My school friend who had the job was leaving town and put a good word in for me. I did that job for 5 years.
    10. Are you heterosexual? Yes. And my very privileged wife is very happy with my choice of sexual orientation thankyou very much. 11. Are you without a disability? Yes, through no fault of my own. I blame my parents for their faulty genes. Sorry I’m not something other than disabled.
    12. Do you have shelter and sufficient food? Yes. I have worked hard for 40 years, saved, and made mostly positive lifestyle choices. Together with my wife’s 35 years of hard work we have built a house, fed and clothed our children and brought them up to be productive members of society. Come around to my house and I’ll cook dinner for you and tell you other stories how my privilege has been a millstone around my neck.
    13. Are you financially stable? Yes. See point 12.
    14. Are you healthy? Yes, through no fault of my own. I blame my parents for their faulty genes. Sorry I’m not something other than healthy.
    15. Is your life free of abuse? No. Posts like this that pigeon hole people based on colour, race, age, sexual orientation, and socio- economic indicators are as abusive towards white heterosexual males as you can get. You should have led with a trigger warning.

  61. Pusnip

    The assumption that men were the beneficiaries of patriarchal power structures at the expense of women was nicely debunked in Warren Farrell’s The Myth Of Male Power. The book is unusual for a gender studies book as it actually contains facts and figures. Read it and you’ll realise that Many of the “gains” achieved by feminism have actually worsened equity between the sexes.

  62. Habib

    Priviliged all right, we die earlier, work longer, pay more tax, over-represent in hazardous occupations, are more likely to be banged up for the same offence, and get to fight wars.

  63. Crossie

    “Second wave” feminayzeeism (1950-2000) was all about white middle class boomer women in western countries demanding unearned privilege, at mens’ expense. Women suffering real oppression at the hands of stupid violent illiterate knuckle dragging wankers in oppressive patriarchal third world hellholes were of no relevance whatsoever.

    In the 50s, 60s and the 70s even the hellholes were better than they are today. Remember those photos from Egypt and Afghanistan where university attending young women had Western clothes and hairstyles? That had probably more to do with the cultural domination of the USA and Europe than the feminist influence.

    What really ruined the Muslim world is oil money. Cashed up Saudis paid and are still paying poorer Muslim populations to adopt Wahhabism. They are still the biggest funders of new mosques worldwide. Anyone who wants to liberate Muslim women must impoverish the Saudis.

  64. Gardez Bien

    I’m so over all forms of identity politics. They are ruining Western liberal democracy and societies based on accepted values. White men’s lives don’t matter.

  65. Mayan

    As usual, some illogical notions run through the discussion on this. Firstly, if there are things obviously awry overseas, then feminists should not mention Australian matters until the foreign ones have been fixed. This isn’t even wrong; it’s bollocks. Despite that, it is used in other contexts to say x cannot be done until y is done elsewhere. However, there is always something to do elsewhere, and in the particular examples here, imposing it from the outside won’t work.

    The other is the notion that all objectives have been met, when in reality the low hanging fruit have been plucked, which is clearly not the same as saying that the project has been completed. Trust me, men with the same intelligence and capabilities as women are very often seen as more capable and intelligent.

    Finally, that fact that some agitators claim to represent some people, or some cause does not mean that who and what they claim to represent is identical with those agitators and their goals. This is one of my pet peeves with those agitators, and also their opponents: the first will hijack another group, then the other will do damage to that group, gleefully thinking that they are harming the agitators who, as we all know, just don’t care.

    I’m not going to use the terms ‘left’ and ‘right’ in that pattern, because it is a common pattern. These days, if you want something discredited and poisoned in the public mind, that can just as easily be done by associating it an overtly racists organisation as by association with a socialist organisation.

  66. Rococo Liberal

    Most modern feminism is built on the assumption that women are delicate little petals and damsels in distress that need endless amounts of protection, support and encouragement. While men are expected to valiantly ignore their own problems and needs and come to the aid of the poor, precious women. It is basically old fashioned chivalry and courtly deference on steroids.

    Yes, the left have become the new puritans.
    The new feminists want to revert to the old default where the answer to the question of whether a woman would agree to sexual intercourse was ‘no’.
    This default originated in Christian teaching and was reinforced by Victorian values.
    It was reversed by the 70s when feminism and contraception combined to make free-love a lot more attractive to women.
    But recently, feminists are beginning to realise that they have far more power to wield if they can reverse the trend. Hence all the talk about positive consent, rape culture, etc.
    So left-wing thinking evolves to accept that morally the baby was thrown out with the bathwater in the rush to overthrow Victorian values. Thes values can now be reimposed. But of course the word ‘moral’ won’t be used by the feminists. All the folk-marxist rubbish about unequal power and oppression will be laid on with a trowel.
    The Victorians banned pornography because it was obscene. Feminists will ban it because it demenas women. The result is the same: the reasoing is much more inane and stupid. But to be left wing is to be stupid.
    Sinistra delenda est!.

  67. TMG

    As usual, some illogical notions run through the discussion on this. Firstly, if there are things obviously awry overseas, then feminists should not mention Australian matters until the foreign ones have been fixed. This isn’t even wrong; it’s bollocks. Despite that, it is used in other contexts to say x cannot be done until y is done elsewhere. However, there is always something to do elsewhere, and in the particular examples here, imposing it from the outside won’t work.

    The other is the notion that all objectives have been met, when in reality the low hanging fruit have been plucked, which is clearly not the same as saying that the project has been completed. Trust me, men with the same intelligence and capabilities as women are very often seen as more capable and intelligent.

    +1
    I look forward to Cats holding fire on free speech because Pakistan has blasphemy laws and Germany has laws on Holocaust denial and you can get arrested in Britain for tweeting things and…

  68. Baldrick

    Here’s what modern day feminism looks like.

    “We should all be super-humans, surfing on a psychedelic rainbow of infinite gender hues.”

  69. steve

    Trust me, men with the same intelligence and capabilities as women are very often seen as more capable and intelligent.

    bla, bla, bla. When I can call “misanthropy” when I start losing an argument, come back and talk to me. There has been a female Prime Minister in this misogynistic society, for God’s sake.

    When feminism became anti-male instead of pro-female, you lost me.

    Just shut up and leave me be.

  70. Paul Farmer

    “The gender pay gap is largely a statistical artefact. ”

    I agree Sinc……………..but it is also more than that if you are referring to the fact it tends to disappear when you adjust for total hours worked. The bigger point often not stated is that it is a reflection of choices that we all make in a free society. In fact it is to be celebrated because it means often women value time away from work pursuing their own interests more than time at work. To me that is saying they value being a well rounded citizen…………..that is a true expression of liberalism. That is a woman’s choice to make……….and more power to her,.however when the leftoid feminists come in and claim institutionalized sexism…………..and want nanny state solutions ,.this is a big problem not only because the problem doesnt exist but because they will actually shoot the very choice I am talking about in the foot by lobbying the state to artificially adjust pay levels to make them not reflect productivity and experience but rather merely sex. In turn this then starts running contrary to the forces of supply and demand.

    In fact on a simple analysis the whole gender pay gap can be destroyed theoretically by a simple demand and supply thought experiment. If it were true that women only are paid 80-90 cents in the dollar to men, then women will be in far higher demand relative to their supply……….and one would find men predominating in unemployment statistics. Of course this doesn’t occur because even if it were true as we know in a market economy, the wage rates of women would be bid up progressively while they are cheaper until there is no longer a gap, eventually equilibrium is restored at the point where and any gap that remains between the sexes would only represent productivity or experience type differences.

  71. classical_hero

    Sinc, the vast majority of women who get naked for Slutwalks are generally those who should not ever be seen naked in public.

    The only Feminists that I admire are the original ones, since they had proper grievances to correct.

  72. Helen

    The day prostitution is abolished worldwide feminists can rest. When people stop believing they have a right to be serviced whenever they choose feminists can rest. When people realise choosing prostitution is not empowering by any stretch and only continues to perpetuate male belief in dominance feminists can rest. When boys everywhere are taught to respect women and themselves feminists can rest. When girls are no longer nurtured in a belief that sexual attractiveness is a goal and beauty is about appearance feminists can rest…..etcetera etcetera etcetera

  73. Muddy

    Pusnip
    #2174723, posted on October 17, 2016 at 12:06 am
    The assumption that men were the beneficiaries of patriarchal power structures at the expense of women was nicely debunked in Warren Farrell’s The Myth Of Male Power. The book is unusual for a gender studies book as it actually contains facts and figures. Read it and you’ll realise that Many of the “gains” achieved by feminism have actually worsened equity between the sexes.

    Seconded. The stats and anecdotes are dated now, but it is certainly a book that both sexes would benefit from reading.

  74. Austin Mangosteen

    Feminists are keeping up the fight and moving well beyond equality between the sexes to social engineering.

    Aaron Russo relates how Nick Rockefeller informed him that feminism was instigated by the Rockefeller foundation to destroy the nuclear family.


    Rabz
    #2174601, posted on October 16, 2016 at 8:30 pm

    [feminism] one of the most destructive frauds ever perpetrated on humanity.

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    #2174451, posted on October 16, 2016 at 5:59 pm

    Women are not men in body or in mind. We are simply the other half of humanity.
    We can never be ‘equal’ because we are different. Most of us appreciate our difference.

    #2174469, posted on October 16, 2016 at 6:16 pm

    Are men and women complimentary to each other in many ways? Yes.

    Had lunch today with a happily married couple (now in their 70s), who extol the virtues of being a heterosexual couple, having shared their lives together for over 50 years (similar to splatocrat’s case). The husband lauds his wife for looking after their investments. She has yet to provide him an invoice for her services.

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