Talk about missing the boat

Today the Australian government ratified the Paris Agreement:

“The Australian government has determined that ratifying the Paris agreement is in our national interests and will provide great opportunities for Australian businesses,” Ms Bishop says.

“The global low emissions economy is estimated to be worth around $6 trillion and is growing at some 4-5% per annum. We believe through the use of technology and research and science and innovation, there will be many opportunities for Australian businesses, Australian jobs in a low emissions economy.”

Don’t you just love, “Australian jobs in a low emissions economy” or “green jobs” as they used to be called when Julia Gillard was PM.

The government must be hoping that Donald Trump is very different in office than he was on the campaign trail.

His 100-day action plan for climate and energy includes scrapping Obama’s Climate Action Plan, stopping payments of US tax dollars to UN global warming programs as well as “cancelling” the Paris deal.

Trump is said to have lined up US shale boom pioneer Harold Hamm, chief executive of Continental Resources, for the post of Secretary of Energy. Another global warming sceptic, Myron Ebell, is seen likely to be tasked with the restructuring of the Environmental Protection Agency.

A lot of money  that might have been expected to flow into the whole global warming industry is going to be drained out and spent elsewhere.

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146 Responses to Talk about missing the boat

  1. Big_Nambas

    While there is a lot to like about Trump, the fact that he believes that man made climate change is a scam tells me that he is no fool. While most politicians have been sucked in by the climate change scam Trump has not. His withdrawal of US funds will cripple this scam in quick time.
    Go The Donald!

  2. Bruce of Newcastle

    Curious that Mr Turnbull should announce this on a day when almost no one will notice. Curious.

    Yes Minister wasn’t supposed to be a textbook.

  3. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    This Turnbull fella is so low energy.

  4. Baldrick

    Turdbull has learnt absolutely nothing from the American election of Trump.
    Nothing!
    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

  5. Lysander

    If Trump follows up on dismantling the EPA and its international agreements, America will be great again while the Leftist/Green toting countries die.

  6. Louis Hissink

    Low emissions economy?

    That’s like everyone adopting yoga, sitting down and slowing their breathing right down, significantly lowering their CO2 emissions, while at the same time performing masterly physical inaction, coupled with more cerebral activity from humming ‘OHMMMM” in an environmentally sensitive manner.

  7. MsDolittle

    Trump is a game changer for our “planet”. It be great for cheap energy to become groovy again.

  8. miltonf

    Doesn’t look like there was a change of government in 2013 after all.

  9. calli

    Low emissions economy?

    I would like Turnbull to emit less.

  10. Faye

    Tony Abbott has to return as Prime Minister to clear the Australian swamp of the climate change lie. Turnbull is too stupid to realize it’s a con.

  11. Bushkid

    “The Australian government has determined that ratifying the Paris agreement is in our national interests and will provide great opportunities for Australian businesses,” Ms Bishop says.

    “The global low emissions economy is estimated to be worth around $6 trillion and is growing at some 4-5% per annum. We believe through the use of technology and research and science and innovation, there will be many opportunities for Australian businesses, Australian jobs in a low emissions economy.”

    Frankly, there are no words printable for me to express what I feel about this vile action and the people who – claiming to be doing so in our name and for our future and benefit – have brought this about. They disgust me to the core.

    There is no point in doing this, there is no CO2 Armageddon on the horizon. Equally, there is no future in a nation “de-carbonising” its life or industry, only destruction, destitution and misery. There are no “green jobs”, just no jobs to be “generated” from this act of wanton destruction. What will it take for these mongrels to wake up to the fact that we do not support them destroying our country and our lives?

  12. Bushkid

    miltonf
    #2202827, posted on November 10, 2016 at 4:53 pm
    Doesn’t look like there was a change of government in 2013 after all.

    There was milton, for a while, then the long knives came out and another sitting PM was knifed by his “own” side and a green shill impostor inserted. The minister making this announcement wielded one of those long knives. They may think nothing of it, but out here where the hurt is we don’t forget it.

  13. Habib

    What a pack of cretins, should all be banged up for false pretenses. Says it all that most are aghast at a Trump presidency, fervently wanting the Hildebeest loose in the Oval Office. As to Bishop’s pathetic hypocrisy with Shorten during QT, she’s either senile and has no short-term memory, or no shame whatsoever. At least Americans had a choice, we get left, far left, or loon left.

  14. Rossini

    What a dick he is.
    I will not be voting liebel next election

    hello Pauline !

  15. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Sounds like this Professor Davidson fella is getting pretty hot n’ heavy for Trump.

  16. deplorable goatjam

    Tony Abbott has to return as Prime Minister to clear the Australian swamp

    Because he did such an awesome job of that last time.

  17. Roger

    The Australian government has determined that ratifying the Paris agreement is in our national interests

    It’s national interest, singular; did Bishop or the journalist make the error?

    And ratifying the agreement is certainly not in our national interest.

    Bishop is really getting on my nerves for the same reasons that Gillard used to – she has mistaken her luck for ability and is consequently unaware of the damage it is doing to the country. Thankfully she will go at the same time Turnbull does.

  18. deplorable goatjam

    This Turnbull fella is so low energy.

    Because he is solar powered?

  19. H B Bear

    Madam Defarge has never met a UN treaty she didn’t like.

  20. Andrew

    Serious question: Of these infinite Green Jobs TM in a Low Carbon economy TM, how many of them actually require the ratification of Paris (if any)? After all, if it made economic sense to dynamite Da Coal power stations and build windmills, are these people suggesting that we would not be permitted to do so without first filling in some forms to the UNSSR?

  21. miltonf

    It’s full on economic vandalism now Bushkid. Can’t see myself ever voting Liberal again.

  22. deplorable goatjam

    Can’t see myself ever voting Liberal again.

    They are the most tin-eared cretins in the history of the world.

    Hey, what’s happening over there? Some orange buffoon just kicked the shit out of the left in the US!

    Anyway, where were we? Ah yes, let’s virtue signal our leftist creds some more!

    Retards

  23. H B Bear

    Sounds like this Professor Davidson fella is getting pretty hot n’ heavy for Trump.

    Real Potential Greatness.

  24. Michael Cunningham aka Faustino aka Genghis Cunn

    To sign the Paris agreement immediately after the election of a US president who will almost certainly unbundle his country’s anti-emissions and anti-energy policies and at least severely curtail the ambit of the EPA is totally absurd. The three biggest emitters, China, the US and India will not be constrained. What is the point of Australia imposing costs on itself to no purpose?

  25. miltonf

    You would think that after the South Australian debacle they would back off. Serious damage is being done.

  26. Sinclair Davidson

    Sounds like this Professor Davidson fella is getting pretty hot n’ heavy for Trump.

    Time will resolve uncertainty.

  27. Snake Charmer

    Turnbull is too stupid to realize it’s a con.

    I think people that think this way are just as stupid; not trying to offend, btw.
    He knows exactly it’s a con, that’s why he’s all for it. He’s a gold in my sachs, con man!
    They’re all in on it, the lot of them. There’s gold in them thar temps false temps.

  28. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    I got this srr:

    Mike Cernovich ?? [email protected] 9h9 hours ago
    Same “experts” who said Hillary would win claim “climate change” is real. LOL! Go away, morons, you know nothing and you lost!

  29. JC

    Trump is said to have lined up US shale boom pioneer Harold Hamm, chief executive of Continental Resources, for the post of Secretary of Energy

    Oh my, it just keeps getting better.

  30. miltonf

    But I guess they are living out their West Wing fantasies.

  31. Andysaurus

    It looks like One Nation is the only honest party now. What an admission.

    As far as Trump is concerned, he should do a Campbell Newman and assign the job of dismantling the EPA to the current boss of it. Funniest move in politics ever.

  32. Gab

    Aarrrrrrrrrrgggh! There are too many threads!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t keep up!

  33. Ant

    Notice how of these future Australian jobs in a low emissions economy never seem to put at risk the ‘jobs’ or position of politicians or the jobs of bureaucrats?

  34. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Can’t see myself ever voting Liberal again.

    I’d sooner wank myself with diamond dust sandpaper.

    We must destroy them and harass their families until they quit.

  35. Diogenes

    Because he did such an awesome job of that last time.

    Precisely because he screwed up last time.

    He has learnt, he has reflected.

    He now sees there is no point in trying placate the pantywaists and given yesterday, should see the the Conan Doctrine working in his favour. It is a little hopeful of me to expect the Rabz doctrine, but I can dream

  36. miltonf

    Correct Ant. Agriculture, mining, manufacturing are all under attack. Industries where people actually make stuff and create wealth. [email protected]

  37. memoryvault

    Curious that Mr Turnbull should announce this on a day when almost no one will notice. Curious.

    Nah, Bruce. Standard snake-slithering by Aussie politicians. ScMo yesterday introduced the first bit of legislation needed to steal our Super funds – again while most people were distracted by the election.

  38. gabrianga

    Watching and listening to the smarmy Lord Wentworth “boasting” that Australia had signed the Paris Agreement that apparently makes man ,made “global warming” just disappear of his very limited agenda.

    This caricature of a Prime Minister should be shunted aside by the Party and the Parliamentary Wing before he really stuffs Australia.

    Again, may I remind my Catallaxian Comrades that this former high roller in the renewables scam once crossed the floor of Parliament to vote with Rudd on an environmental matter. In the old days this act of treachery would have been dealt with on the spot and Lord Wentworth banished to the back benches or, even better, to the shores of Point Piper.

  39. egg_

    If Trump follows up on dismantling the EPA and its international agreements, America will be great again while the Leftist/Green toting countries die.

    Ditto the UN kleptocracy.

  40. Zatara

    What is the point of Australia imposing costs on itself to no purpose?

    There is a purpose, just not the one advertised.

  41. gabrianga

    Chanel 9 continues its desperate, oft hysterical, attacks on Trump this time joining in the gales of laughter at Trump’s youngest son yawning and looking very weary during his father’s speech.

    Closing comment from 9’s political maiden along the lines of “just how many Americans felt last night”

    Obviously she forgot a previous story about the thousands of scumbags still wide awake and “protesting against the election” (duh?)

    We have a swamp of our own which needs draining?

  42. egg_

    We have a swamp of our own which needs draining?

    Sarah Seacow’s?

  43. miltonf

    Certainly wouldn’t buy channel nine shares.

  44. Hydra

    Is it just me or is earning a 4-5% return in investment based on the risks in this industry extremely low?

  45. John L

    While most politicians have been sucked in by the climate change scam Trump has not.

    Please note – Trump is not a politician! He is a business man! A successful one.
    His predecessor was a low-grade law professor, his opponent was a career criminal, sometimes disguised as a politician, sometimes disguised as a lawyer.
    That is the difference.
    He is capable of running the country as a business, whereas politicians are not. He will surround himself with experts that will help him to run a successful business, and he will succeed.
    The difference between him and his predecessor and his opponent is that they needed to surround themselves with experts capable of keeping them out of jail.
    The difference between him and current Australian leadership is that Australian leadership do not have an ounce of a business brain or acumen between them.

  46. Senile Old Guy

    Tony Abbott has to return as Prime Minister to clear the Australian swamp

    Because he did such an awesome job of that last time.

    Going back to the past is no way to confront the future. And Abbott retread would be worse than the original.

  47. Just remember that this cave-in to Big Green – like the slushing of millions of Australian tax dollars to the Clinton Foundation, presumably because we can’t find Asia is but Chelsea can – was the work of individuals. Like the slushing of the Clinton crime family, this enormous waste could have been resisted by resolute individuals with the power to say no.

    Prominent among these individuals are Julie Bishop and Malcolm Turnbull. They are the two ABC appointees who will lose the next election to usher in an era of Labor power and endless green waste.

    So, the names are Bishop and Turnbull. We need them gone before any constructive talk can begin. Let’s concentrate on their removal first since they are not wayward conservatives who just need to be persuaded. They are willing globocrats and servants of Big Green. Away with them.

  48. John L

    Low emissions economy?

    Danger!!!!

    If you hold your fart for too long you side will explode and dislocate your ribcage!

  49. Beachside

    @Bushkid

    Frankly, there are no words printable for me to express what I feel about this vile action and the people who – claiming to be doing so in our name and for our future and benefit – have brought this about. They disgust me to the core.

    There is no point in doing this, there is no CO2 Armageddon on the horizon. Equally, there is no future in a nation “de-carbonising” its life or industry, only destruction, destitution and misery. There are no “green jobs”, just no jobs to be “generated” from this act of wanton destruction. What will it take for these mongrels to wake up to the fact that we do not support them destroying our country and our lives?

    Looks like Turnbull, Bishop and Frydenberg are now on a ‘climate change / low emissions / renewables’ unity ticket with Victorian Labor Premier, Daniel Andrews, whose Clean Green (subsidised) energy policies have forced the impending closure of Hazelwood coal fired power station, with another 3 coal fired power stations in the LaTrobe Valley flagged for future closure.

    Our elected politicians’ primary obligation is to represent our interests to the best of their ability, but instead, they are party to government sanctioned theft from all electricity consumers at the behest of climate lobbyists and associates.

    My question is: what’s in it for them? Backhanders? Greased palms?

    On the climate gravy train are the banksters, lobbyists, carpetbaggers and rent-seekers who will all make a motza via locked-in contracts, over 15 to 25 years, on the backs of a captive consumer base, ably assisted by government. Traitorous bastards

  50. hzhousewife

    Traitorous bastards

    Exactly. Not happy Jan. Will be letting them know.

  51. Infidel Tiger 2.0 (Premium Content Subscribers Only)

    Tony Abbott has to return as Prime Minister to clear the Australian swamp

    Abbott failed. His body should have been dumped at sea to preserve his family’s dignity.

  52. john constantine

    Their inner economy is the one that counts, and social justice electricity is the current efficient way of shovelling cash from the proles outer economy into the social justice robber baron’s fast track economy.

  53. Big_Nambas

    I never said Trump was a politician, only that he unlike them had not been sucked in!

  54. John Michelmore

    “THEY” did it now to try and stop Trump pulling out!! All this money and the western humans cannot control the climate while India and China can carry on regardless for years. Even if everyone stopped putting CO2 up their there is no guarantee we can control the climate. Utter fools. Especially when we don’t know what proportion of global warming is anthropogenic as compared to natural variation. Bloody idiots!!

  55. A Lurker

    Turnbull virtue signalling to the ABC/MSM, also he’s reassuring his mates in the UN and Goldman Sachs etc., that he’s still on board with their globalist agenda, and that Australia won’t be a speedbump to their desire for further wealth, power and influence.

  56. Dr Faustus

    We believe through the use of technology and research and science and innovation, there will be many opportunities for Australian businesses, Australian jobs in a low emissions economy.

    These geniuses had a near death experience in July when the Australian vote-herd let them know how ordinary people feel about jobson grothe slogans, exciting innovation, coding and hackathons. Yesterday they were able to see the US rustbelt rise up quite specifically against governance by social, political and technocratic elites.

    They are unfit competitors; the natural cycle is for them to wither, die and be replaced.

  57. A Lurker

    Our elected politicians’ primary obligation is to represent our interests to the best of their ability, but instead, they are party to government sanctioned theft from all electricity consumers at the behest of climate lobbyists and associates.

    My question is: what’s in it for them? Backhanders? Greased palms?

    We need Wikileaks to turn their attention to this matter.

  58. H B Bear

    Frydenberg is proving to be a massive disappointment. If he went the tuck-and-tape he could pass for Kelly O’Dwyer.

    The Laborals are finished.

  59. We are going to build a giant wheel and it’s going to be yuuuge, so when the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow, hundreds of thousands of new jobs will be created turning that sucker over.

  60. Rabz

    The Australian government has determined that ratifying the Paris agreement is in our national interests and will provide great opportunities for Australian businesses

    This is just absolutely bloody infuriating how anyone can utter such garbage without exhibiting the self awareness to realise what a treasonous mongrel they are while doing it is, quite frankly, beyond me.

    Oh – and good luck to the gliberals surviving as a parliamentary party after picking up around 20% of the primary vote next election, BTW.

    HOP time, it is.

  61. PICarl

    I was a member of the LNP and donated time and money. This decision has convinced me that my $100 goes to One Nation.

  62. iampeter

    One Nation is just Labor with a terrible immigration policy. They might be against CAGW but they are big government in most other ways. Personally my protest vote goes to the LDP.

    But yes, the Coalition is as Left as or more than Labor on pretty much every issue and always has been on Environmentalism. What a joke.

  63. Entropy

    miltonf
    #2202910, posted on November 10, 2016 at 5:30 pm
    Correct Ant. Agriculture, mining, manufacturing are all under attack. Industries where people actually make stuff and create wealth. [email protected]

    And not just energy policy. What the Fityfity is the coalition buggering around with a backpacker tax? Why punish your supporters?

  64. miltonf

    Backpacker tax sounds like a Treasury brain fart. The pollies are just sock puppets.

  65. Beachside

    In late 2015, before the Paris gabfest, Turnbull and Bishop, and all State Premiers, were given their
    UN orders, and now they’re following those orders – to the letter

    This woman, Christiana Figueres – the UN Climate Chief , calls the shots

    At a news conference last week (Feb 2015) in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism.

    “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said.

    Referring to a new international treaty environmentalists hope will be adopted at the Paris climate change conference later this year, she added:

    “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform global economic model for the first time in human history.”

    UN climate chief says the science is clear: there is no space for new coal

    Christiana Figueres says Australia needs a national consensus to achieve maximum effort in fight to avoid dangerous climate change

    Christiana Figueres: ‘In general, the higher the renewable energy target, it does attract investment.’

    The UN climate chief, Christiana Figueres, has said there was “no space” for new coal developments and stressed the benefits of ambitious renewable energy targets after a meeting with representatives from seven Australian governments.

    At the meeting in Adelaide, organised by the South Australian government, federal, state and territory administrations agreed to work more closely to drive an uptake in renewable energy, coordinate energy-efficiency schemes and help communities adapt to climate change.

    The meeting was attended by the environment ministers of the Labor-run states and territories – Victoria, South Australia, Queensland and the ACT. The federal government, Tasmanian and New South Wales governments were represented at “senior official level”, and Western Australia and the Northern Territory were absent.

    According to the meeting’s official communique, Figueres warned of the dangers of the world exceeding 2C of warming compared with pre-industrial times and “emphasised that the science is clear that there is no space for new coal or unmitigated coal”.

    Afterwards, Figueres said Australia needed a national consensus to achieve a “maximum possible effort” in the battle to avoid dangerous climate change.

    Asked about the federal government’s alleged reticence towards ambitious greenhouse gas reductions, Figueres said “like the oceans, there are ebbs and flows about everything”.

    “We welcome that the federal government is turning in its national target by July and I’m confident it will encompass what the states and territories are doing,” she said. “I’m confident we will be pleasantly surprised.”

    Figueres said the states and territories could “buttress the efforts of Australia more at the international level so Australia can actually stand up there with other industrialised countries in fair effort”.

    “States and territories are a lot closer to citizens than the federal government and perhaps they are reflecting more the concerns about climate change and the opportunities that are there.”

    Figueres would not comment directly on the lengthy political impasse over the federal renewable energy target (RET) but said: “In general, the higher the renewable energy target, it does attract investment. If there’s anything that’s growing in recent years in Australia, it’s renewable energy investment. It’s a positive factor to have an ambitious renewable energy target.”

    RTWT @ Link

  66. Andysaurus

    John L. said:
    He is capable of running the country as a business, whereas politicians are not. He will surround himself with experts that will help him to run a successful business, and he will succeed.

    I totally agree. People should stop thinking that he means everything he says as a 100% ironclad guarantee. It is just an opening bid from which he can back off until a deal can be made. He is NOT a politician, he is somebody who gets things done. One of his chosen advisers is Laffer, which is a good sign.

  67. Ubique

    Our swamp is in some respects greener, slimier, more fetid and has more parasites than the USA’s which the Donald is intent on draining.

  68. Megan

    Is there anyone here who did not expect this to happen? Bishop, the Ursurper, serial climate change bedwetters Hunt, the mincing poodle…all of them totally without any redeeming features.

    I hope Trump is God follows through on his promises to remove the US from this crap with extreme prejudice. Don’t disappoint me, oh mighty orange one.

  69. miltonf

    Beachside, your post explains a lot.

  70. Our elected politicians’ primary obligation is to represent our interests to the best of their ability, but instead, they are party to government sanctioned theft from all electricity consumers at the behest of climate lobbyists and associates.

    My question is: what’s in it for them? Backhanders? Greased palms?

    Malcolm Turnbull does not have a pecuniary interest in Green and Carbon Nonsense.
    Malcolm Turnbull is not supported by Green and Carbon Nonsense
    Malcolm Turnbull did not secure votes from the Parliamentary Liberal Party to depose Tony Abbott by redistributing Green and Carbon Nonsense support

  71. Roger

    I totally agree. People should stop thinking that he means everything he says as a 100% ironclad guarantee. It is just an opening bid from which he can back off until a deal can be made. He is NOT a politician, he is somebody who gets things done.

    Yes, Trump is not an idealogue, he is a pragmatist guided by principles, including patriotism.

    The idealogue was defeated, thank God.

  72. Full disclosure: Tony Abbott is a busted flush and I do not support his return.

  73. Christiana Figueres – the UN Climate Chief is also not supported by Green and Carbon Nonsense

  74. candy

    You would think the business in SA with the lights out and the problematic wind turbines would give
    a PM and an energy minister pause to think things over a bit more.

    And where do Green jobs come from? with Hazelwood shutting down there’s hundreds of jobs gone. You know, just a little more thought would be in order as to what they are committing to.

  75. Senile Old Guy

    The LNP will be crushed at the next election whether or not Turnbull survives to see it. We will have the ALP, led by the union buffoon, for one, possibly two, turns. I cannot see the LNP redeeming itself in a briefer time, if ever. The last election was a warning, the next will be epic. When America punted SJWs into the political abyss, the clusterf*ck that is the LNP drank the cool aid and voted for AGW. Dan the man is a union puppet and Baird may as well be leading the Green party. How soon it all went to cra*p.

  76. Senile Old Guy

    You would think the business in SA with the lights out and the problematic wind turbines would give a PM and an energy minister pause to think things over a bit more.

    Innovation! And agility! In the NT, we run on natural gas; not very innovative but generally reliable (except for cyclones). Although the ALP, in their ‘wisdom’, have put a moratorium on fracking. Aside from that, CM Gunner does seem more reasonable than the average ALP leader:

    “Come to the Territory, we are strategically important to the region, not just America, and we have got a fantastic society here, and I think the [President-elect] could only benefit from being here.”

    Mr Gunner said that during a potential future visit Mr Trump could observe first-hand the US-Australia partnership, the foundation of which is an annual rotation of more than 1,200 US Marines who are hosted in the NT for joint exercises.

    “I grew up in Alice Springs surrounded by Americans; I saw the positive impact they can have on a community,” Mr Gunner told 105.7 ABC Darwin.

  77. Roger

    The LNP will be crushed at the next election whether or not Turnbull survives to see it. We will have the ALP, led by the union buffoon, for one, possibly two, turns.

    A buffoon who has already declared he will not work with POTUS Trump because of the latter’s alleged treatment of women. Can you believe it!?

    Given the parlous state of the LNP, the only hope is that PHON will hold the balance of power in the senate to thwart the ALP’s ideologically based agenda.

  78. Combine Dave

    Turnbull virtue signalling to the ABC/MSM, also he’s reassuring his mates in the UN and Goldman Sachs etc., that he’s still on board with their globalist agenda, and that Australia won’t be a speedbump to their desire for further wealth, power and influence.

    This guy is disgusting.

  79. Senile Old Guy

    I will add that the view of the USA in the Top End is better than among the Chardonnay set.

    The Bombing of Darwin is commemorated very solemnly every year, relics of WWII are preserved and there is a general awareness of what the USA meant for Oz those not so many years ago. There’s a memorial to the USS Peary in Darwin:

    No other relic from Darwin’s war period evokes quite the same reaction as the sunken wreck of the naval destroyer, the USS Peary. Bombed and sunk on February 19 1942, the Peary still lies on the floor of Darwin Harbour, and a memorial in Bicentennial Park stands in tribute to the 91 sailors who went down with her on that fateful day.

  80. Entropy

    A buffoon who has already declared he will not work with POTUS Trump because of the latter’s alleged treatment of women. Can you believe it!?

    No one ever accused Bill Shorten of self awareness or noted he was aware of the concept of irony.

  81. Roger

    No one ever accused Bill Shorten of self awareness or noted he was aware of the concept of irony.

    Those Jesuits have a lot to answer for.

  82. El Cyd

    Absolute disgrace. Go the LDP and One Nation (just make a commitment to reduce the scale of government; its easy, any x% points of GDP will do; and ditch the education policy envy crap).

  83. iampeter

    Given the parlous state of the LNP, the only hope is that PHON will hold the balance of power in the senate to thwart the ALP’s ideologically based agenda.

    But the irony is that the LNP’s agenda is as bad or worse than the ALP’s. Our actual only hope is the culture shifting to the Right/to individualism. If it doesn’t happen it doesn’t matter how the balance of power breaks down in Parliament because politicians only run on policies that will get them votes and today Australians for the most part are soft-Left/Environmentalist.

  84. Senile Old Guy

    A buffoon who has already declared he will not work with POTUS Trump because of the latter’s alleged treatment of women. Can you believe it!?

    No one ever accused Bill Shorten of self awareness or noted he was aware of the concept of irony.

    FIFY.

  85. Roger

    But the irony is that the LNP’s agenda is as bad or worse than the ALP’s.

    No, I don’t accept that.

    At least not while the right wing of the LNP adds savour to an otherwise bland offering.

    The ALP would lose control of the borders, protect corrupt unions and introduce same sex marriage by fiat.

    We have to remain thankful for small mercies.

  86. Motelier

    I am about to leave my industry (fingers crossed) if the lawyers get out of the way.

    So I have been wondering what to do. Well to explain. I have just spent the day around at my MIL’s trimming trees and bushes. Me and my chainsaw and trimmer managed to create a pile of deadwood about 10 metres long, 5 metres wide and about 4 metres high.

    Unfortunately I have missed Guy Fawkes day, so while looking at the pile and wondering if it will still be suitable on the next Earth Hour day it hit me.

    So I have typed this out.

    Please feel free to copy and paste, add and subtract as needed.

    Hello Mr Trump,

    Congratulations on your victory over the political system that has been trying to rule over the United States and the rest of the western world for the last 8 years.

    My purpose of writing this letter is to introduce you to a group of independant individuals that support smaller government, lower taxation, less red tape and no green tape.

    We are very easy to find. You can find us on a website moderated by Professor Sinclair Davidson at catallaxyfiles.com.

    Yes we are Australian, however we do not take prisoners of those that think left wing thoughts.

    I am sure if you take the time to look at the comments you will find a lot of people of high qualification in all of the important areas needed to MAGA. By all means make a comment or two if you think it is warranted.

    If you have important positions to fill I think you will find plenty of suitable applicants for positions in your cabinet just by looking at most of the commenters here.

    Yours Faithfully

    Motelier.

  87. Senile Old Guy

    If it doesn’t happen it doesn’t matter how the balance of power breaks down in Parliament because politicians only run on policies that will get them votes and today Australians for the most part are soft-Left/Environmentalist.

    Actually, they mostly aren’t. Remember: Abbott won in a landslide but Turnbull won with the help of the Nationals. If the Nationals had not picked up a seat, Shorten would be probably be PM. Turnbull is on borrowed time and will lose the next election, if he survives to be leader (I think he will).

    Abbott’s slogan, which many seem to forget, was ‘it is spending problem, not a revenue problem’. Abbott’s problem was that a substantial proportion of the LNP were wimps and caved when various SJWs started bagging them. Yes, Abbott’s polls were always awful but he won the election despite them.

    And this points to a major recent issue: the polls are no longer reliable because people either lie or don’t answer. Abbott’s polls were awful: landslide. BREXIT result was supposed to be remain: result was leave. Clinton’s polls were great: Trump in a landslide. Turnbull’s polls were better than Abbott’s: barely hold onto government. Polls are now useless because people will not answer or lie, and then go to the ballot box and express their real opinion.

  88. iampeter

    At least not while the right wing of the LNP adds savour to an otherwise bland offering.

    A Right Wing in the LNP is like believing in unicorns – a mythical entity!

    I’d argue there hasn’t been a Right Wing in the LNP in any of our life times and certainly not since the Howard era, with the Howard run Government responsible for arguably the most insanely Left legislation in this countries history.

    It’s a scary, sad state of affairs but it’s not the Party’s fault. Politics today just reflects our soft-Left culture.

  89. Senile Old Guy

    The ALP would lose control of the borders, protect corrupt unions and introduce same sex marriage by fiat.

    And which bit of this agenda do you think Turnbull will not do? SSM is already guaranteed. Turnbull went to DD on union corruption but has not mentioned it since. The ‘border’ issue he has wobbled on but not been ‘brave’ enough to cave on. Your faith in the LNP is misplaced. They just signed on to the Paris Climate Agreement, the biggest piece of nonsense created.

  90. Roger

    A Right Wing in the LNP is like believing in unicorns – a mythical entity!

    Cory Bernardi, George Christensen, Andrew Hastie et. al. are not mythical entities, peter.

    Hope abides, for now at least. In the meantime, I vote strategically.

  91. Senile Old Guy

    It’s a scary, sad state of affairs but it’s not the Party’s fault. Politics today just reflects our soft-Left culture.

    No, it doesn’t. Trump won in a landslide. The UK voted for BREXIT. Abbott won in a landslide. The ‘soft-left’ Turnbull go in on the back of a National Party win.

    You are believing the left wing media version of ‘our culture’. Stop listening to the ‘narrative’ in the media and start looking at what people do (in the privacy of the ballot box). In the Great USA, left wing SJWs are going on YouTube promising to top themselves, they are drowning Twitter in their tears but ordinary Americans are celebrating.

  92. Habib

    The LNP will be crushed at the next election whether or not Turnbull survives to see it. We will have the ALP, led by the union buffoon, for one, possibly two, turns.

    I would’ve agreed until Shorten commited seppuku over reffos, their only hope is Lord Wentworthless is still in the big pew and runs another dead campaign, if punters are reminded about an incipient invasion they’ll begrudgingly put these fatuous frauds back in. We’re either bummed with brylcreem or without, that’s the choice.

  93. iampeter

    OK, but Abbott is a Lefty who’s signature achievement was introducing Direct Action, the Coalitions Carbon Tax and apparently putting plans together to write Aboriginals into the constitution which is such a level of bat-shit-crazy-Left that even the Greens aren’t pushing it.

    Brexit is only good if as part of leaving the EU they also limit government and advocate a return of Capitalism in Britain. They are doing nothing of the sort, no one in Britain wants that, they just wanted to stop immigrants and they’ll maybe succeed at that but they will still crumble into Venezuela as the state continues to bloat.

    Trump won not because he was advocating Constitutional government or capitalism but by promising to build a wall, assemble a police-state like force to throw out potentially tens of millions of people and cancel “free-trade”.

    NOT ONE of your examples, my dear friend, won in landslides promising to protect individual rights, implement capitalism policies or limited government. Not one.

    They are all examples of religious/traditionalist collectivists (Abbott) and white-identity collectivism (Brexit/Trump). This is what the people want. People do not want individualism. That’s the fight that needs to be had.

  94. Senile Old Guy

    The LNP will be crushed at the next election whether or not Turnbull survives to see it. We will have the ALP, led by the union buffoon, for one, possibly two, turns.

    I would’ve agreed until Shorten commited seppuku over reffos, their only hope is Lord Wentworthless is still in the big pew and runs another dead campaign, if punters are reminded about an incipient invasion they’ll begrudgingly put these fatuous frauds back in. We’re either bummed with brylcreem or without, that’s the choice.

    I would like to agree…but I think we’re f*cked. I may well be wrong, and I hope I am, but the only one showing any resolve in the LNP is Dutton and I don’t know how much longer he can go it alone.

  95. Andysaurus

    SOG wrote:
    You are believing the left wing media version of ‘our culture’. Stop listening to the ‘narrative’ in the media and start looking at what people do (in the privacy of the ballot box). In the Great USA, left wing SJWs are going on YouTube promising to top themselves, they are drowning Twitter in their tears but ordinary Americans are celebrating.

    Hear hear. Spot on Mr. Guy. We must never forget that if it sounds reasonable from the left, then you must look deeper. Fight back and break out of the brainwashing. Read the IPCRESS file by Len Deighton.

  96. memoryvault

    Cory Bernardi, George Christensen, Andrew Hastie et. al. are not mythical entities, peter. Hope abides, for now at least.

    Or, in other words, vote Liberal ‘cos at least they’re not Labor.
    Another Textorite.

  97. hzhousewife

    Polls are now useless because people will not answer or lie, and then go to the ballot box and express their real opinion.

    The way I see it, we’ve been conditioned by the media to lie, so lie we do – until the real deal on voting day..

  98. Senile Old Guy

    OK, but Abbott is a Lefty who’s signature achievement was introducing Direct Action, the Coalitions Carbon Tax and apparently putting plans together to write Aboriginals into the constitution which is such a level of bat-shit-crazy-Left that even the Greens aren’t pushing it.

    I agree. I was not arguing that Abbott was a good PM. He was useless.

    They are all examples of religious/traditionalist collectivists (Abbott) and white-identity collectivism (Brexit/Trump). This is what the people want. People do not want individualism. That’s the fight that needs to be had.

    Hold on! I am not sure I agree with you about the collectivist/individualist split here. Trump, for instance, did not argue ‘white identity’ values; he argued borders. So did Howard and Abbott. And Abbott never argued for religious values; that would be idiotic in Australia. Abbott did not even argue for ‘conservative’ values.

  99. Stan

    Turdbull has learnt absolutely nothing from the American election of Trump.
    Nothing!
    Stupid.Fucking.Liberals

    This.

  100. Senile Old Guy

    Read the IPCRESS file by Len Deighton.

    I have.

  101. Senile Old Guy

    Polls are now useless because people will not answer or lie, and then go to the ballot box and express their real opinion.

    The way I see it, we’ve been conditioned by the media to lie, so lie we do – until the real deal on voting day.

    Exactly! The media now openly mock anyone who does not have an SJW approved opinion. People do not like to be mocked or harassed so they lie. The major opinion polls are wailing ‘How could we have got it so wrong about BREXIT and Trump?’ Because you mocked and shamed people who responded honestly, earlier. Opinion polls are now useless. I either lie or don’t answer.

  102. iampeter

    I know what you mean SoG, but as I said in Steve’s post earlier today the best way to solve the “borders/immigration” problem is to fix the bloated government.

    If we had a political party that worked to abolish the welfare state and abolish the regulatory state then we would end the influx of free-loaders coming to sit on welfare and end the bleed of our businesses running overseas.

    Trump/Howard/etc. were a lot more anti-immigrant and free trade (in Trump’s case) then they were against big government, which is the actual problem.

    Also lets not forget Howard was a total Lefty too, everything from the Climate Office back in the 90’s to Australia’s first carbon tax which he only didn’t get to implement because he lost to Rudd and all the mechanisms of environmentalist wealth destruction in between (think RET, ARENA, etc.) were all thanks to Howard. He was a complete disaster.

  103. Senile Old Guy

    If we had a political party that worked to abolish the welfare state and abolish the regulatory state then we would end the influx of free-loaders coming to sit on welfare and end the bleed of our businesses running overseas.

    I agree but we don’t. The ALP has no interest in abolishing the welfare state and the LNP does not have the will. Turnbull has the spine of an amoeba but Abbott was no better.

  104. Trump won not because he was advocating Constitutional government or capitalism but by promising to build a wall, assemble a police-state like force to throw out potentially tens of millions of people and cancel “free-trade”.

    NOT ONE of your examples, my dear friend, won in landslides promising to protect individual rights, implement capitalism policies or limited government. Not one.

    They are all examples of religious/traditionalist collectivists (Abbott) and white-identity collectivism (Brexit/Trump). This is what the people want. People do not want individualism. That’s the fight that needs to be had.

    Interesting that politics is very much groupthink driven by belief in an ideology or outcome. Whether that ideology is applicable in every situation is rarely questioned. Trump ran on issues not ideology or for that matter even a political platform. Issues that affect America and its population, especially the middle class who have been mauled by various ideologies. Be they free trade, open borders, mass migration, political correctness or social justice.

    Take one issue, he offered paid maternity leave, that immediately sent alarm bells on the libertarian spectrum of the party as it expands the welfare state. It could be seen to be trying to buy the female vote.

    But I think the truth is that Trump went with that policy because it addresses a very specific issue. Low fertility rates: whether it attracted more votes was a nice bi-product not a driver. Now whether paid maternity leave will help raise fertility rates is, at least to me, not clear, but at least it acknowledges the seriousness of the problem.

    Trump came to the election the same way a businessman runs a business: identify the problems and find solutions.

    White identity is a very serious problem, when the white population is going backward by a percent a year in many countries around the world, it is clear there are not going to be very many whites left at the start of the next Century.

    This problem is not new, in fact has been around for many decades and the leftist elites decided that since all people are equal they can just import a new voteherd to fill in the disappearing bodies.

  105. Muddy

    Repeat after me peeps. THE LIBERAL PARTY IS DEAD. BURY THE CORPSE.
    Rewind. Play. Rewind. Play. DEAD. CORPSE. GONE. MOVE ON.

  106. Roger

    Or, in other words, vote Liberal ‘cos at least they’re not Labor.
    Another Textorite.

    I take exception to that, mv.

  107. iampeter

    Muddy, we need to take off and nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

  108. iampeter

    Trump ran on issues not ideology

    Which is why I argue he will ultimately fail, as all Conservatives have failed, to stop the growth of the state and have even spent the last few decades growing it more than your “traditional” Lefties.

    Ideology is more important than this or that position on the issues. How does one even form positions on issues without an ideology?

    As wrong as the Left is you can still know what position they will take on every issue (i.e. more government). This is the sign of a consistent ideology. Now compare that to the dumpster fire that is Conservatism.

    This is why most people in the West today are default soft-Left/Green. It offers them the most consistency on any political issues.

  109. Roger

    Pistols at 12 paces, I demand. Show yourself, mv.

  110. Roger

    Ideology is more important than this or that position on the issues. How does one even form positions on issues without an ideology?

    You need to do some reading on conservatism, iampeter.

    It is not an ideology. It is the natural state of things.

    Ideology applies abstract ideas to reality in the hope of changing it; conservatism accepts reality as the starting point in the hope of ameliorating it by the application of learned, traditional wisdom.

    Socialism and Fascism are ideologies. Westminster democracy, constitutional monarchy and virtuous republicanism embody conservatism.

  111. memoryvault

    I take exception to that, mv.

    My apologies, Roger, for I have a great deal of respect for your comments.
    However, any hope of a “conservative” revival from within the Liberal Party, is now dead.
    It died at the last election, murdered by the Textorites.

    The last time such an opportunity arose, was over 40 years ago.
    Such an opportunity will probably not now happen again for another 40 years.
    The public servants get to run the country for another generation.
    Regardless of the name of the party that forms government.
    Just like the last 40 years.

  112. Muddy

    iampeter.
    What needs to be done is for people to pick it up and repeat it ad nauseum, so that it becomes some kind of meme, which is then picked up by either elements of social media, the anxiety-porn industry (mainstream media), or politicians. It needs to become a ‘thing,’ like MAGA. It is the party of corpses that long ago ceased to show signs of life. The decay ahs been evident for many years now. The maggots are having the time of their lives. But still people wallow in nostalgia and hang onto what used to be, rather than what is. Perhaps there is something to that ‘Delusional Conservatives’ label?

  113. H B Bear

    I take exception to that, mv.

    It is his well worn refrain. Just ignore it.

  114. Muddy

    Bernardi’s conservatives only have a hope of success if they differentiate themselves from the Corpse Party and make that differentiation obvious. Otherwise they will be just another faction, a splinter that remains firmly attached to the parent branch, a token nod to the ‘don’t matters.’ He will need to burn bridges in a mighty impressive way to get me onside.

  115. memoryvault

    Pistols at 12 paces, I demand. Show yourself, mv.

    Pistols are so bloody noisy, Roger.
    Besides, my aim isn’t what it used to be.
    Custard pies point blank is about my limit these days.

  116. Fisky

    iampeter, your ideology has just suffered a crushing blow in the US election, and you are still autising on here. Shush! Open borders is finished, permanently.

  117. Roger

    My apologies, Roger, for I have a great deal of respect for your comments.

    Accepted, mv.

    I am a realist, not an ideologue. Therefore, I will always strive to work with the situation that presents itself so as to benefit the common good in so far as I am able to. That is, in fact, why I came to support Trump once he won the GOP nomination, despite misgivings. His positive outweigh his negatives, and he has already grown as a candidate.

  118. memoryvault

    Bernardi’s conservatives only have a hope of success if they differentiate themselves from the Corpse Party and make that differentiation obvious.

    Bernardi’s conservatives are now an interesting footnote in Australian political history.

  119. memoryvault

    I am a realist, not an ideologue.

    Good. Then stop looking for any ray of hope from the Lieborals.
    Hope springs eternal, but at the moment I’m just not sure from where.
    If it were possible, we could ask Trump to donate just one of his Titanium vertebrae.
    But we would still have to find a suitable transplant recipient.

  120. NewChum

    I cannot believe Bishop believes the crap she spouted.

    Turnbull either, though he does seem a bit soft headed.

    Nobody really believes the Paris agreement will ‘save the planet’. Do they?

  121. NewChum

    If Abbott was watching he should have realised Trumps anti-media stand was the winning ticket.

    Just ignore them. Speak directly to the people.

    Trumps style of campaigning goes back to before TV.

    Only it was amplified by social media.

    Abbott doesn’t haves the stones and is too quick to be a decent bloke, and to seek approval.

    Even commie labor leader in the UK has more backbone.

  122. Harald

    Bernardi’s conservatives are now an interesting footnote in Australian political history.

    Yes. I have signed up, but I would not donate nor volunteer at this time.

    My view is that Bernardi is given the space by the Libs to do this. The Libs may be letting him have extra leash specifically to use him to keep conservatives (and their donations) inside the tent, or at least away from Hanson and others. I simply do not see him breaking away. He’s a Lib-machine man – a lifer. There is no credible threat there. My view: Bernardi will suck up the energy and the money, to prevent it from going elsewhere.

    I hope to be proven wrong on this, but will not donate until he make a real move and presents a path to achieving something real.

  123. Indolent

    Nobody really believes the Paris agreement will ‘save the planet’. Do they?

    You can take it to the bank that not one of them does. It’s just another strand of the globalists’ takeover plan with the side benefit of raising lots of money, and lots of overseas travel and back slapping for the special few. Reducing standards of living and killing industry is just a happy by-product.

  124. Muddy

    Speak directly to the people.

    And that’s why there’s so little fairness and equality and love and unicorns in the world, NewChum. You can’t just leave it to the people. People are nasty and vicious and hateful. There must be a filter. Luckily, there is a class impeccably suited for that task: the superhumans (the elite). They will keep the tolerable but untrustworthy humans in check, and do their best to annihilate the subhumans. The world needs heroes. Sign up now.

  125. Muddy

    Harald, your thoughts on Bernardi closely resemble my own.

  126. Wayneof Perth

    Many opportunities in a low emmision economy.

    Name three Malcolm.

  127. iampeter

    iampeter, your ideology has just suffered a crushing blow in the US election, and you are still autising on here. Shush! Open borders is finished, permanently.

    It’s like you’re stroking out or something. You literally have no clue what you are saying or what words mean.

    Retards shouldn’t call others autists. That’s self hate.

  128. Fisky

    I think it is absolutely hilarious that Peter is still trying to argue for open borders in November 2016. That’s some impressive work. Don’t stop!

  129. If open borders are to be accepted I guess that means that international organisations will have to stop asking defined nations for money. Or do borders exist solely for billing purposes?

  130. Harald

    Muddy,

    .. burn bridges ..

    Yep, exactly. But Bernardi doesn’t, indeed. That is the thing:
    Every now and then Bernardi pops up. Then he does something or says something which produces some outrage on the left, but only perfunctory – one day, 1 or 2 articles. And everything returns to normal. It’s like they all know and are just going through the motions.

    If Bernardi was a threat in any real way, they’d be hounding him day and night.

  131. iampeter

    I didn’t argue for open borders. I want properly managed borders.

    Building a taxpayer funded wall. Establishing a taxpayer funded “force” to export millions of people is statist and the kind of crap I expect from Leftists. And also this will do nothing to address the existing over reaches of government such as the welfare and regulatory states.

    But you don’t really understand anything about politics, or ideas, or even words judging from the raving posts you’ve put up so far this afternoon. Don’t you stress out too much about any of this, just go back to your padded room.

  132. Fisky

    Yes peter, you do love open borders. You have said it is “immoral” and “illegitimate” for governments to prevent people entering a country. That’s open borders. It was on the ballot on Tuesday, and it was resoundingly defeated. Deal with it.

  133. iampeter

    Lol OK. Whatever you say. Just don’t hurt me.

  134. Which is why I argue he will ultimately fail, as all Conservatives have failed, to stop the growth of the state and have even spent the last few decades growing it more than your “traditional” Lefties.

    Disagree, business people don’t run businesses on ideology they run on outcomes. They don’t fail through lack of ideology, they fail from bad or no solutions. Trump is a business guy.

    Obama is going to be completely unwound because he drove ideology and people got sick and tired of it.

    You are going to get smaller states because the west’s population along with Asia is declining.

    The smaller state argument though is never going to fly this century in the Libertarian sense. Looking at the US electoral map result by county and looking at the racial dot map. Three things immediately strike me.

    1. White flight from the cities. Cities are being overrun with minorities and whites are moving out.
    2. Cities overwhelmingly vote democrat. The argument is cities need government services to exist.
    3 Whites outside of cities basically won it for Trump.

    You can argue as to whether cities do need lots of government services to exist, but the perception is there.

    Given that is what the perception is, and the perception is what people will vote on, conservatives & Libertarians pretty much have nothing to offer cities.

    The other issue with smaller state is that well, people’s parents are the ones retiring, do Libertarians really expect that people’s parent not receive a pension and health care? Clearly the left offer a solution, whether it’s a good or bad solution still puts them a step ahead of conservatives who are constantly looking to make cuts for ideologies sake and miles ahead of Libertarians.

    Trump stepped right into the void. Promised not to throw out welfare for the elderly, promised to replace obamacare with a new system. Didn’t promise to return to the old system. Nothing small government about it. ie Offered solutions.

    Historically this mix of sides has been called a centrist position, but Trump is no centrist, he is a business guy.

  135. Andrew

    A reminder: the same people who advocated a Maolcolm-UN govt wanted to elect Illary to impose a carbon tax because #NeverTrump. Anyone who, in a single lifetime promoted both Maolcolm and a Illary should grab their sturdiest necktie, retire to the bathroom, and do the honourable thing.

  136. NewChum

    The autising bit is a typo. Spruiking was the word autocorrected.

    Call me any names you like. I don’t care. I invite it. Open borders is dead.

  137. Mark A

    The autising bit is a typo. Spruiking was the word autocorrected.

    I thought Fisky had used that word in his post originally?
    You have access to his posts and know the words he used and was auto-corrected?

    Strange.

    PS the best auto-correction I get for “autising ” is ‘insisting’

  138. John L

    The Australian government has determined that ratifying the Paris agreement is in our national interests…

    Don’t kid yourself you fuckwits! You are not the Australian government, you are not even a government. You are a rubble with a majority of one. Your interest in self-preservation is not national interest! If you cared for the national interest you would fuck off and clear out and take the Labour rubble with you!
    Give someone with ability a go!

  139. John L

    You would think the business in SA with the lights out and the problematic wind turbines would give
    a PM and an energy minister pause to think things over a bit more.

    SA has been in the shit pit since Tom Playford retired. With ensuing premiers, only the depth have fluctuated, the stink is the same. There is no chance of SA ever changing, except that it will go deeper.
    The PM does not have the time to think. When he is not waffling, he spends all his time kissing himself in the mirror and reciting “Mirror, mirror on the wall…”

  140. A Lurker

    I hope to be proven wrong on this, but will not donate until he make a real move and presents a path to achieving something real.

    True – my hope lies with Bernardi, but until he moves, my votes at State and Federal Government levels will go to One Nation.

  141. cohenite

    Some hopefuls are still pining for Abbott; don’t forget he put Hanson in jail. No doubt Abbott is a good man; fire work and genuine about aboriginals and all that. But he has a soft centre. Up against the arid bag of ligaments, the walking mirror and the razor smiling UN acolyte he is helpless.

  142. Crossie

    “The global low emissions economy is estimated to be worth around $6 trillion and is growing at some 4-5% per annum.

    So were the tulip futures and the South Seas bubble.

  143. Crossie

    True – my hope lies with Bernardi, but until he moves, my votes at State and Federal Government levels will go to One Nation.

    Cory was interviewed by Paul Murray last night, via satellite from NY, and he was asked would he make a move. His reply seem to suggest that for the moment he will wait and see, that he hoped the Party would come to its senses.

  144. Yohan

    I would not put any hope on Bernadi. The leftist media make is seem like he is some conservative radical, but in reality he is a Howard style late 90’s centrist. The overton window has shifted so far left he just seems radical in comparison.

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