Can anyone explain this?

A very puzzling story I cannot seem to make sense of: Nation divided at school gate as progressives lead white flight. Here are the details:

Since 2002 the City of Yarra council has proclaimed Melbourne’s inner north “a Refugee Welcome Zone’’.

But in this ardently Greens-voting area — and in left-leaning suburbs in Sydney’s inner west — progressive, middle-class families have been accused of avoiding schools with high refugee, ­indigenous or non-English-speaking student populations.

“They are fleeing,’’ African community leader and former refugee Abeselom Nega says of white families who appear to be shunning inner Melbourne schools with large African-Australian student cohorts, many of whom live in social housing. . . .

Ms Ho agrees that even in progressive inner-city areas, parental support for diversity “stops at the school gate’’. Ms Ho says a recent study she co-wrote, focusing on public schools in Sydney’s inner-west suburb of Glebe, revealed how “there’s an acceptance of diversity that stops when it comes to ‘my own kids’. We saw that a lot.’’

Reading the comments section to the story does help me make some sense of it, but mostly it is hard to fathom.

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181 Responses to Can anyone explain this?

  1. stackja

    Others must do, what Left does not want to do.

  2. Rabz

    You will know them by their hypocrisy.

  3. H B Bear

    Cultural diversity for thee, just not for me. So much easier to virtue signal when you can just dump them in Sunshine and Dandenong knowing they won’t find their way back to the leafy suburbs.

    Falafel anyone?

  4. Rococo Liberal

    Glebe? Surely you could count the refugees there on the fingers of a leper’s hand?

  5. Fed Up

    It’s kind of like those who ardently adhere to the ‘invasion’ doctrine and want the government to take action whilst not handing their own land back.

  6. Bruce of Newcastle

    Diversidy, equalidy, hypocrisy.

    I think every lefty parent should be required to send their kids for one week a year to an Islamic school. Just for the experience of diversity and tolerance, of course.

  7. @Bruce of Newcastle
    I had this school in mind for the Virtue Signalers to send their kids and also to volunteer as teachers aides themselves.
    Nuttin like diversity

    https://youtu.be/AP6HeSdn0xE

  8. old bloke

    The NIMBY principle at work.

  9. Ooh Honey Honey

    Duh. It does not have to be a necessarily Greens voting town. My wife and I live in the West of Melbourne, and when the first of our three boys was about to start school, we found ourselves plum in the middle of four state schools, so we took some time to see which was the best. We went and met either the principle or vice principle of each school, and made our choice based on various factors, but included was the following.
    In the office of one of the schools there was a map of the area with a pin showing where every student lived. Many of the pins were on the other side of one of the other schools. So parents were driving past that one to get to this one. We asked about this and the bloke was fairly candid saying “It a very Muslim dominated school, and frankly the culture is quite violent there” (This was in 2001). We ended up friends with another Mum who lived close to that school and ended up choosing the same one as ours (even further away) because she said she went to an info night and walked in as the sports teacher was saying his bit, and she was very impressed at how many Dad’s there were in the audience, thinking it a very good sign! Until the principle got up to speak, and the entire audience basically turned to each other and started chatting. The principle was a woman.
    She backed away pretty smartly from that option.

  10. Roger

    Can anyone explain this?

    Hypocrisy.

    The Greens want to maintain (or even decrease) the population at an ecologically sustainable level but also campaign for a higher refugee intake (including “climate change refugees”) tantamount to open borders. In light of this story, which policy do you think represents their true beliefs and which is virtue signalling?

    Of course, it would all be merely academic with the Greens’ vote stuck at 8.7% nationally, but if present trends continue (i.e. if Turnbull remains PM) our next government could be a de facto Labor-Greens coalition…again.

  11. Anne

    It’s somewhat reassuring that parents are smart enough and still care enough about their children that they don’t want them exposed to supremacist muslims students and clueless ProgressiveMarxist teachers.

  12. struth

    Can anyone explain this?

    Hypocrisy.
    Virtue signalling, left wing Nimbys.
    Where are the councillors kids going to school?
    Where do the councillors live?

  13. alexnoaholdmate

    What’s to fathom?

    Bring in as many overseas immigrants with as little oversight as possible – but don’t you dare settle them where we, the progressive elite who know what’s best for everyone, live ourselves.

    Stick them out somewhere in the Western suburbs. They’re only animals and bogans out there who shouldn’t have votes anyway…

  14. candy

    I think kids should just go to the closest school for convenience to everyone, and should just get along in whatever environment they are placed in, multicult, disadvantaged/non-disadvantaged. whatever, really. The thing is to just get along, make friends and accept differences.

  15. rickw

    Not that hard to fathom, placing your kids in the way of cultural / social / physical pathogens is for other people to do.

    These people’s homelands aren’t hell holes by accident, instinctively most people understand this, but virtually no one is willing to articulate this.

  16. Drink Up Socrates

    I realise irony Candy – but having had a child for a short time in a violent school – ain’t funny, especially when the exasperated staff try not to follow through knowing what shit is coming their way from the parents of the little thugs.

  17. Griffo

    The only puzzle is why anyone is surprised. If you’ve ever taught in a school with large numbers of students who have limited English and who speak no English at home or who come from one of the several war zones around the globe, you’ll know how difficult it is. These students take up most of a teacher’s time and, if from a war zone, are often disruptive. Women teachers, in particular are likely to find these students reject their authority and are encouraged to do so by their parents. I lost count of the number of times parents asked or demanded that their sons only be taught by men.

    Parents with ambitions for their children’s education will believe that they are unlikely to fulfil their potential in these schools and they are right to think so. I don’t suggest that we stop migration but the cost of handling these young people both at and after school can be seen in crime rate and unemployment statistics.

  18. The thing is to just get along, make friends and accept differences.

    Kumbaya under the stars by a beach bonfire…problem solved

  19. Candy, your Pollyanna schtick is becoming ridiculous.

  20. candy

    Drink Up Socrates

    For sure, there’s always some bad situations , no doubt. I just think on the whole it’s better for kids to learn to just get along, because they have to anyway as adults and make the most of things.

  21. Anne

    Hey Grigory, isn’t one of those Candys supposed to be RobbieMac?

  22. kc

    So Candy, by your reconing the token “whitey” getting bashed each day by ethnic “gangs” in schools should just suck it up and learn to cop it sweet, because, as an adult, this is the way of the future. My wife just retired from teaching after a 30 year plus career, in no large part because of what is going on in the state school system which teachers being bullied into accepting zero ability of enforce any code of conduct or rules which depart from the luvie agenda. So glad my kids are long past school.

  23. Habib

    What’s hard to understand? These vile cretins want whatever idiot cause they champion this week to be inflicted on others, and enforced by law. Especially they don’t want to be exposed directly to reffos, Abos, insurgent islamists, blackouts and cost hikes caused by mandated renewables, terrible public transport and the myriad other halfwitted bollocks they purport to believe in. Their insular, genetically challenged progeny should be enroled in madrassas.

  24. .

    Teachers cannot even physically restrain a child for their own safety, let alone discipline children in loco parentis or just stick to the essentials.

    Schooling isn’t education and has become a smorgasbord of special interest awareness campaigns and a quasi lord of the flies dystopia.

  25. Linden

    Yes just reading about this, my sister in law used to be a teacher at one these schools and always said that the children enrolled there of the ‘elite’ were pampered beyond belief, and also reckoned that many of these parents were notoriously bad ‘payers’ and liked to bludge on the system as much as they could, in other words many were phonies saying one this one living a life style of one but pretending to be something, going to enjoy sending her the article in the Oz because I know she only reads the Age,

  26. Dr Fred Lenin

    The left wont agree ,though they well know that the standard of teachinh goes down the more “aboriginals “and children of illiterate peasants v from the Dark Ages there are . These kids drag the whole standard down needing as much attention as genuinelt physically and mentaly retarded kids . By removing their kids from these schools tge leftoids are confirming that my statement is the Truth . Yarra city comrades on the City Soviet woukd be better use mending the footpaths which are a disgrace , the ambulance chasers of the law trade probably have paid spotters recruiting clients who have fallen due to the state of the footpaths ,tge comrades lime this. It keeps unwelcome shoppers from you know ask comrade poofter banditb,ask other suburbs with good footpaths away ,we are exclusive ask comrade poofter bandit .

  27. egg_

    Diversidy, equalidy, hypocrisy.

    I think every lefty parent should be required to send their kids for one week a year to an Islamic school. Just for the experience of diversity and tolerance, of course.

    A semester at Camp Tolerance?

  28. Fisky

    “Between 90 per cent and 94 per cent of students who attended Fitzroy Primary, Carlton Primary and Sacred Heart Primary last year were from non-English speaking or indigenous backgrounds. Only 3 per cent of Sacred Heart’s parents were in the top socio-economic status (SES) quartile, a measure of parents’ social and educational advantage.”

    This is the problem. If your kid is Australian-born, they are going to be held up bigly if they enter a class that is nearly all NESB. The teacher will be teaching to multiple year levels in one room, with English abilities ranging from total a non-user to an intermediate speaker, slowing the pace for everyone.

    So I would definitely not want my kid in a class like that if there is an alternative available. At the same time, the parents who vote Labor/Greens should be ridiculed for their hypocrisy.

  29. BrettW

    Struth raises a good point about where the kids of councillors go to school.

    Need an investigative journalist (if there are any) to look into kids of Green politicians and see if they live by their no borders ideals.

  30. Gavin R Putland

    It couldn’t happen in Toorak or Point Piper, because there wouldn’t be any African reffos in social housing there. By definition, wherever there are no prospective targets of racism, there are no perpetrators of racism.

  31. Pat Warnock

    ke is right – state schools are being turned over to staff and students thugs.

  32. Rayvic

    It is racism by the Green Left, which is surprising — if not hypocritical — as the Greens profess to be anti-racist.

  33. Andrew

    I’m told that article is largely bullshit and reflects the very great difference in property prices between “good” Fitzroy and “houso” Fitzroy (now Caliphate Fitzroy).

  34. cui bono

    Well Steve, this is just like the majority GreenLabor pollies who bang on about public education, while sending their own private.

  35. dot assured us minorities were just as good as white people, they just needed better nutrition and education, clearly the food in glebe must be 3rd world and the education deeply incompetent, nothing else makes sense.

  36. Wozzup

    Spending other people’s money and instructing other people about how to live their lives are both very popular among the inner city Left (you know it makes sense, after all they are our “betters”). But applying these difficult lessons to themselves………not so much. That’s for the plebs to do. Go and live amongst the ethnically diverse you common swill and leave us to our lattes, our Range Rovers and our private schools so that one day our children can, in their turn, do the same to your children.

  37. mem

    Simple answer really. Would you want your kid to start at a school where 90% of the kids didn’t speak English?

  38. .

    “Zippy The Triumphant
    #2231500, posted on December 10, 2016 at 3:07 pm
    dot assured us minorities were just as good as white people, they just needed better nutrition and education, clearly the food in glebe must be 3rd world and the education deeply incompetent, nothing else makes sense.”

    I’m pretty sure you would rather your kids went to school with black and arab diplomat kids than poor white US southerners’ kids in generational welfare.

  39. Leo G

    The story seems to be mainly aimed at drawing attention to a particular school: “Our Lady of Mount Carmel Catholic School in the gentrifying inner-Sydney suburb of Waterloo”, where academic results are rising and where principal John Farrell hopes his school will expand and attract “a rich mix” of students (ie a mix of rich students).
    It could be quite intelligent blackmail- publicly telling wealthy pro-refugee, pro-asylumseeker, pro-green parents that the progressive rating of their suburb might slip if they don’t send their children to the local pro-diversity school.

  40. notafan

    No it reflects the very large blocks of high rise housing commission flats up at the Gertrude street end of Brunsick street, where there is also plenty of very high priced housing.

    as for african/ muslim presence, one kind of assumes there might be some bad behaviour in the classroom.

    An old story about the now defunct Moreland City School.
    http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/australiahating-muslims-unchecked-says-teacher/2005/08/30/1125302570133.html

  41. notafan

    “At Our Lady of Mount Carmel, in Sydney’s inner-city Waterloo, Mr Farrell’s cohort of 119 children — 70 per cent of them indigenous — has topped the list for national reading, writing and arithmetic ­results in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander primary school ­pupils.”
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/indigenous/naplan-lessons-keep-it-personal-with-pupils/news-story/11abdafe40b11116d71c6b69e8010b81

  42. Vicki

    Steve, you cannot make sense of it because “progressive” ideology simply defies rational analysis on many issues.

    In this case, the argument advanced is that racial segregation is being practised in Australian schools. I got half way through the article this morning, and couldn’t stomach any more of it.

    The author seems bewildered why even “progressive” parents violated multiculturalist beliefs by taking their kids out of schools dominated by students of “non-English speaking” background. The schools in this case were clearly those in Melbourne where Sudanese particularly predominate. Given the current wave of violence perpetrated by this group…. why is she amazed?

    The other example given is public schools in the north shore of Sydney dominated by Asians. The implication is that it is a form of racial segregation. Why, it is asked, do the parents send their children to these schools and not the private schools in the suburbs? Or equally, why do the white parents send their kids to the private schools? Is she serious? The Asian kids form almost the entire student body of selective schools because a) they are smart enough to qualify and b) because they do not have to pay the $30,000 plus for the private school! Duh!!!

    Are Lefties thick, or what?

  43. I’m pretty sure you would rather your kids went to school with black and arab diplomat kids than poor white US southerners’ kids in generational welfare.

    Comparing the best that blacks and arabs have to offer what you think might be the worst whites have to offer makes about as much sense as well… what you always do. I prefer the verballing at least I get a chuckle out of it.

  44. Tel

    It makes a lot more sense once you understand that “Progressives” are both intellectually and morally superior to absolutely everyone else. They honestly believe you are a bunch of morons, so they treat you like a bunch of morons.

    Suppose we sit down to play poker and I very carefully explain to you that the objective of the game is for you to lose all your chips… then once you have successfully lost all of your chips to me I say, “Thanks buddy, you are a really swell guy!”

    Ted Turner spent decades pushing for a 1 child policy because we had some type of population boom eco disaster happening. People listened to him, they interviewed him, they paid him money to talk about this. No doubt a lot of earnest families believed him. Ted Turner went and had 5 kids… what a heist!

  45. Struth raises a good point about where the kids of councillors go to school.

    The hypocrisy of these types is breathtaking.
    Once upon a time I was the largest private sector employer of indigenous in Qld. (This isn’t as mighty as it may seem, and I held the title by only a whisker). The town was full of govt. types – who near universally voted Green or ALP, and were all soppy over “indigenous” issues.

    They’d castigate me for “making money from the labour of blackfellers”. Simultaneously I’d be castigated for not hiring more indigenous. (They’d hector me over these two issues simultaneously – without any hint of irony or any grasp of the contradiction – there is nothing as shameless as a soppy lefty who has never had to pay their own bills, or make their own way).

    They’d preach to me “diversity”, “inclusiveness”, & the like until my ears bled, about how I should follow their lead and by more “integrated” instead of being “racist” and “divisive”.

    Then they’d go & drink at the Golf Club (long socks only) which had about 2 token indigenous members.
    I’d refer to it in their presence as the “Colonial Club”, which struck a nerve, as I’d get slitted-eyes and cobra glares.

    Their children all universally attended the Christian Brothers College (token fees payable – thus no indigenous).

    Not one of the public servants who would castigate me for not being sufficiently “integrated” would go near an indigenous person once they were off duty. All drinks at the Colonial Club, none of their children at the state school.

    Interestingly, the same folks would verbalise their wish that I’d go out of business, as profits are evil and if the “government ran it” the services would be so much better.

    (Just like the state school?)

  46. Habib

    I’m pretty sure you would rather your kids went to school with black and arab diplomat kids than poor white US southerners’ kids in generational welfare. not me, they’re just as likely to flog them coke that’s come in the dip bag, or recruit them as convert ‘splodeys. At least the hillbillies would be able to drift a Trans Am and make their own whiskey.

  47. Muddy

    So our in-every-way-superiors are worried that White-Flight will send their house values plummeting?

  48. Judith Sloan

    I’m surprised anyone is surprised. No one wants to send their kids to Carlton or Fitzroy Primary because they are full of the children of asylum seekers. Even when they are zoned to these schools they move heaven and earth to get into another school – Fitzroy North is a preference.

    The principals are completely free to do as they wish when it comes to these requests.

    There was a story of an asylum seeker mother trying to get her children into Fitzroy North but being knocked back on the basis of some sort of mumbo-jumbo excuse but other professional parents outside the zone being accommodated. Say no more.

    And note that the Andrews government has just spent $10 million on Carlton Primary and still the “Anglos” won’t have a bar of it.

  49. alexnoaholdmate

    At the end of the day, Zippy doesn’t object to sending his kids to the same school as Arab or blacks because the educational outcomes might be worse due to overcrowding, poor funding, inability of new migrants to understand English, etc.

    No. Remember, from his own writings – Zippy would object because those students are not white.

    Zippy believes that certain races are genetically inferior to others – a view not supported by any actual science, but one that would have been perfect ‘common sense’ in Nazi Germany.

    Yes, I know, you shouldn’t bring up Nazis in debate. But when the other person holds views actually shared by the Nazis, why is it wrong to point that out?

    P.S. Bring back our buttons.

  50. john constantine

    Their school fee apartheid is just as effective as their house price apartheid and their holiday resort price exclusion.

    They honestly think the election was rigged, because they have never rubbed shoulders with anybody that would ever vote for Trump.

    Sending the new diverse Australians out to settle in welfare plantations carved out of obsolete and deplorable Australia is the business model, and the intent is for it to be so profitable that our social justice aristocracy can afford to live away from their client herds, in gated enclaves, or exclusive apartment towers with doormen.

  51. ar

    We are so racist. Maybe some sort of in-school t-shirt protest would help?

  52. Judith: I don’t think the issue is that parents don’t want to send their kids to schools that are chockers with machete-wielders, splodey-types, wrapped in drapes kaffir-hating types, et al.

    This is perfectly understandable.

    It is that most folks who advocate for, and agitate for, the open borders, turn out to not want to send their kids to such schools.

    Why? Why do the Di Natales & Burnsides hector us & demand we take in shiploads of machete-wielders, but won’t mix with them, beyond a token one or two tame ones.

  53. test pattern

    Angloglot kids in Perth can’t compete with those of Asian background. Their parents send them to schools where they can excel at sports, that’s what they aspire to. At a school with Asians the Angloglots will rarely win academic prizes, not good for their precious little egos, so they withdraw to a safe space where their parents’ self esteem can be artificially appeased. Even hanging around with Angloglots at school and after drags smart kids down.

    Compulsory English should be dropped. Year 12 English should be merged with the Year 11 syllabus so the smart kids are free to concentrate on their ATAR Math-Science. In years past Math x 2, Chem and Physics were the focus but Computer Sci has become necessary too, and the Math kids don’t have enough time to do it all properly. Drop compulsory English. for Year 12.

  54. test pattern

    ‘Benjamin ‘Franklin was extremely worried about whites being overwhelmed. He said in “Observations Concerning the Increase of Mankind, Peopling of Countries, etc.” (1751):
    “Which leads me to add one Remark: That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased.” ‘

    Colour me swarthy.

  55. Black, Tawny, Swarthy, White.

    Difficult to argue that one. Benjamin Franklin sure had his cattle well categorised.

  56. MickofBrisbane

    It’s about parents wanting the best education possible for their kids. That these parents are primarily Green’s voters indicates they don’t understand the hard-left principles adopted by those they’re voting for — many seem to think the Greens are nice and care about stuff. Many of these parents will now be in shock at having been called racist.

    That shock will be nothing when they’re next told that government is considering legislation to interfere with the choices made by these parents.

  57. Zippy believes that certain races are genetically inferior to others – a view not supported by any actual science, but one that would have been perfect ‘common sense’ in Nazi Germany.

    Bullshit. A simple look at US SAT scores shows persistent patterns between races.

    Only in your own mind does science claim that all brains are equal.

    Apparently the egalitarian believes that physical characteristics diverge over time when groups of people are physically separated but brains do not. Colour me stupid but I just can’t think of any mechanism that might transcend distance to keep people’s brain development identical, perhaps you egalitarians can enlighten us “white supremacists” on what this scientific mechanism might be?

  58. alexnoaholdmate

    There is no scientific evidence that suggests people of different races are innately superior or inferior to others when it comes to intelligence.

    End. Of. Story.

    There is some evidence that suggests differences in IQ performance under certain condtions – all explained by cultural factors rather than genetic differences.

    I can’t be any clearer about this – if you believe certain races are superior or inferior to others intellectually because of their genetic background you are a racist.

    That is the very textbook definition of racism, in fact.

    It is a view dismissed by all – ALL – genetic scientists today, but very fondly held and propagated by the Nazis.

    So tell us, Zippy – are there differences between races intellectually that are caused by their genetics? Let’s get it on record right now, you racist Nazi motherfucker.

  59. SAT’s Racial Impact

    Study finds that for applicants to U of California, race and ethnicity now influence scores more than family income and parental education levels. Could findings change debate over affirmative action?

  60. alexnoaholdmate, answer the question mate.

    How is it all physical attributes diverge over time but brains stay the same?

  61. alexnoaholdmate

    Again, Zippyfuhrer, all explained by cultural rather than genetic factors.

    Hey, I personally believe that some CULTURES are inferior to others. Certain cultures, I would argue, are not compatible with our own. And the tendency to dismiss academic achievement among Africa Americans as ‘playing the white man’ s game’ proves that there is something fundamentally wrong with their culture.

    If this is what you mean, Zippy, then we’re actually in agreement.

    If you truly DO mean, however, that genetics is the reason for these differences, and that one race truly is superior to another intellectually by virtue of their genes – well, that makes you not only empirically wrong but a racist also. These are views that were held by Nazis.

    Fuck off to Stormfront you Nazi fucker. Make sure your brown shirt is ironed.

  62. alexnoaholdmate

    They don’t stay the same, you racist fuck. But there hasn’t been nearly enough time to pass for any qualitative differences to appear. Not to mention the continual interbreeding between races since 1492 that has completely muddied the waters regardless.

    Again – not my opinion, scientific fact.

    Go get some physio for your Heiling arm you sick Nazi fucker. My grandfather went to war to fight scum like you.

  63. alexnoaholdmate

    Also, answer my question. Let’s get it on the record. Stand up proudly and tell us – are certain races intellectually superior to others by virtue of their genes?

    Yes or no?

  64. alexnoaholdmate

    Or to put it another way – if you took the average black baby and the average white baby of the same age and raised them together with the same parents, sending them to the same schools and giving them the same amount of care and attention – would the white child have a higher IQ than the black, by virtue of his ancestry?

  65. They don’t stay the same, you racist fuck. But there hasn’t been nearly enough time to pass for any qualitative differences to appear. Not to mention the continual interbreeding between races since 1492 that has completely muddied the waters regardless.

    Again – not my opinion, scientific fact.

    So let’s get the facts straight, 50,000 years is enough to create blonde blue eyed humans from black stock but not enough to make any difference in mental ability. Fascinating.

    You have no science behind you what so ever, just pure cultural marxism.

    There is negligible interbreeding between caucasians, asians and africans. After 200 years, less than 1% of white males take a black wife in the US.

    You are too stupid even to see the underlying assumption in your own words, why would interbreeding make any difference if whites and blacks and asians are all intellectually the same on average?

  66. alexnoaholdmate

    Answer the question. Let’s be clear about your hypothesis.

    It’s amazing. I believe in a free market and a small government, and have been criticised for it; I’m rather loud amongst my peers about how global warming is a con; I think Malcolm Turnbull has destroyed the Liberal Party as a going concern; I would have voted for Trump; I believe in tight borders, and that certain CULTURES (note the difference, Zippy) are not compatible…

    … yet because on this single issue I argue the anti-racist – and scientifically proven – view, I am a Marxist according to Zippy, whose own views were (rather noisily) adopted by Nazis.

    Wow. We are through the looking glass here. This really is astonishing stuff.

    Oh Catallaxy, what have you become?

  67. Or to put it another way – if you took the average black baby and the average white baby of the same age and raised them together with the same parents, sending them to the same schools and giving them the same amount of care and attention – would the white child have a higher IQ than the black, by virtue of his ancestry?

    Absolutely, by a whopping 15 points

    Apparently the data is racist and anyone that quotes it is a nazi

    The data is extremely clear.

    This egalitarian bullshit that all races have 100% statistical overlap is just that pure cultural marxism.

    Call me whatever you like, the data stays the same.

  68. Or to put it another way – if you took the average black baby and the average white baby of the same age and raised them together with the same parents, sending them to the same schools and giving them the same amount of care and attention – would the white child have a higher IQ than the black, by virtue of his ancestry?

    Absolutely, by a whopping 15 points

    Apparently the data is racist and anyone that quotes it is a nazi

    The data is extremely clear.

    This egalitarian crap that all races have 100% statistical overlap is just that pure cultural marxism.

    Call me whatever you like, the data stays the same.

  69. Fat Tony

    alexnoaholdmate: You have a compelling argument: “you racist Nazi motherfucker….. Go get some physio for your Heiling arm you sick Nazi fucker. My grandfather went to war to fight scum like you.”

    Could you please explain to me why our Aborigines spent 30,000….60,000…..or 100,000 years here and still only advanced to early stone age?

    Obviously, your “scientific facts” can explain that?

  70. Or to put it another way – if you took the average black baby and the average white baby of the same age and raised them together with the same parents, sending them to the same schools and giving them the same amount of care and attention – would the white child have a higher IQ than the black, by virtue of his ancestry?

    Absolutely, by a whopping 15 points

    Apparently the data is racist

  71. Or to put it another way – if you took the average black baby and the average white baby of the same age and raised them together with the same parents, sending them to the same schools and giving them the same amount of care and attention – would the white child have a higher IQ than the black, by virtue of his ancestry?

    Absolutely, by a whopping 15 points

  72. … yet because on this single issue I argue the anti-racist – and scientifically proven – view, I am a Marxist according to Zippy, whose own views were (rather noisily) adopted by Nazis.

    It’s cultural marxism, absolutely. Races exist and are statistically difference in every measurement.

    You have just internalised this idea that all people are equal. They are not. The only equality is before the law, the rest is nonsense. Perhaps identical twins are equal at birth but races are not.

    Anyone who dares challenge cultural marxist egalitarianism is aggressively stigmatised.

  73. alexnoaholdmate

    Aborigines in Australia didn’t develop past the Stone Age because they had no reason to. They didn’t have the population pressures that other Stone Age peoples did that led them to develop agriculture – the foundation of civilisations around the world.

    That’s… quite obvious, actually.

    Are you implying, Fat Tony, that they remained in this state because they are intellectually and genetically inferior to whites? Again, let’s have your racist views out in the open.

  74. Tel

    SAT score going back 30 years

    The interesting part of that is that there IS so much change. In fact the spread is WIDENING over time, not narrowing, and that’s the exact opposite of what a simple theory of genetic determinism would suggest.

    The white, black and “hispanic” groups remain reasonably constant, while the Asians actually increase very significantly. We surely cannot believe that Asian brains are evolving over the rather insignificant period of just 30 years… it would have to be cultural for sure.

  75. alexnoaholdmate

    No, Zippy. A black kid who grew up in the ghetto, has had a poor education, has been told all his life that trying to achieve anything is ‘playing the white man’s game’ – he’ll have a 15 point difference.

    The kid who grew up in the same household as a white kid? No qualitative difference.

    If you believe otherwise, you are not only wrong but a racist – and you hold views on race that would have been shared by the Nazis.

    That’s a cold hard fact.

    I am more than happy to accept – because I thoroughly believe it, and the evidence is irrefutable – that certain CULTURES are superior to others, or are at least incompatible. I, for one, believe there should be limits to Islamic immigration to this country precisely because their cultural views are simply not compatible with our own, and we’re setting ourselves up for trouble if we believe otherwise.

    But as to actual genetic material being the cause of ‘inferior’ races? Pure Nazi pseudoscience. You racist brownshirted scum.

  76. Pivot

    I detract but the ethnicity of nannies hired by the Multicultureal Champeon Riche’ De Natalie were?? African Musleys surely..
    That’s questionably a deep stir on my part but in my defense the Greens are shallow vessel.

  77. alexnoaholdmate

    Hell, Zippy, these arguments are so backwards, so outrageous, and just so damn WRONG that if I didn’t know you were an old hand at the Cat – one whose opinions on other matters are usually cogent and thoughtful – I’d have to assume you were one of those trolls that jumps on here pretending to be a “conservative” and then tries to discredit the site by spouting off a whole pile of racist nonsense the Lefties assume we actually believe.

  78. No, Zippy. A black kid who grew up in the ghetto, has had a poor education, has been told all his life that trying to achieve anything is ‘playing the white man’s game’ – he’ll have a 15 point difference.

    Then why do east asians who have a slightly higher IQ than whites score slightly higher than whites in SAT scores? Asians are wealthier than whites? live in better communities? Eat bettter than whites?

    The only looking glass madness is you trying to tell us brain development has not diverged over the last 50,000 years.

    You sound exactly like a leftoid, you have a theory of egalitarianism and any difference must be because of racism. Poor black and latino darlings must be oppressed. Solution: affirmative action.

  79. Fat Tony

    alexnoaholdmate: “are you implying, Fat Tony, that they remained in this state because they are intellectually and genetically inferior to whites? Again, let’s have your racist views out in the open.”

    You appear to have a bit of a thing about “racism”. Is it possible for you to understand that the different races have different qualities, that they are not “equal” in every aspect. It does not make one a Nazi by recognising this.

    If all humans came from Africa, then why is not Africa the most advanced continent? And there were certainly “population pressures” or there would not have been the great migration out of Africa.

    And your bit about our Aborigines seems a bit trite. They have had 200+ years to catch up – so far, in general, not too successfully.

  80. I am more than happy to accept – because I thoroughly believe it, and the evidence is irrefutable – that certain CULTURES are superior to others, or are at least incompatible.

    Culture is just the outward manifestation of the people that embody it. Culture does not exist separately from a group of people. This idea that culture is supreme just a desperate attempt at trying not to sound racist.

    Seriously, if you replaced all Swedes with Somalians, taught them the language and customs, would Swedish culture continue uninterrupted?

    Think about it.

  81. .

    Zippy thinks that culture is genetically determined. There is no point arguing with this lunacy.

  82. alexnoaholdmate

    “If all humans came from Africa, then why is not Africa the most advanced continent?”

    What. The. Fuck. Nonsense are you dribbling about?

    At least the Zippenfuhrer makes a cogent argument – however backward, racist, and scientficially disproven.

    Piss off and let the adults talk.

  83. alexnoaholdmate

    “Zippy thinks that culture is genetically determined. There is no point arguing with this lunacy.”

    In fairness to Zippy, at least he’s arguing the point well. Completely wrong, but he’s having a fair crack at it.

    Fat Tony, on the other hand, is like a schoolkid that someone let onto Mastermind…

    But yes, I think you’re right Dot. If seven decades of scientific evidence and genetic research – as well as a World War – won’t convince Zippy of the sheer ridiculousness of his proposition, then I certainly shouldn’t bother.

  84. srr

    “but mostly it is hard to fathom.”
    _____________

    I no longer care to tell the enemy within, how we think.

  85. egg_

    It could be quite intelligent blackmail- publicly telling wealthy pro-refugee, pro-asylumseeker, pro-green parents that the progressive rating of their suburb might slip if they don’t send their children to the local pro-diversity school.

    Like Wally at Wesley College?

  86. Fat Tony

    alexnoaholdmate – you’re the one carrying on like a Nazi you deluded fool.

    You could try answering my simple questions but Nazi smears are all you got.

    You, mate, are a grade A fuckwit.

  87. Fat Tony

    alexnoaholdmate:

    I made it simple enough so a moron like you could understand – but, obviously, not simple enough.

    If you don’t have real answers to my very simple questions, then you have nothing.

  88. DM OF WA

    To wonder if intelligence is linked to genetics is utterly taboo – a more serious offence even than questioning the global warming hypothesis. Polite people should not go there. Take note of the ignominious fates of poor old Larry Summers and poor old James Watson (even his Nobel could not save him!) Remember that we live in an age where right thinkers demand we all accept that gender is a purely social construct and dissenters must be ostracised and prosecuted.

    But please continue to feel free to praise the many outstanding African athletes for their magnificent achievements in dominating at the Olympics!

  89. Zippy thinks that culture is genetically determined. There is no point arguing with this lunacy.

    Ah dot’s back to verballing.
    What I said was culture is not separable from the people that manifest that culture.

    Latinos have a reputation for being fiery, which I can certainly attest to in the female of the species. Germans humourless. British have a stiff upper lip. French romantics. etc etc.

    It is not a case of 100% environment or 100% genetic.

    African blacks are about average 65IQ. US blacks are average 85. White IQ has improved by about 10 points since the 50s. So it’s fair to say that environment plays at least 20 points. Probably 10-20 points more. The rest is genetic. Being generous perhaps 30-40% is environment, 60-70% is genetic.

    If you look at Charles Murray’s Human Achievement tome, achievment correlates with European IQs. British and Germans lead followed closely by French and Italians.

    I give credit to tel for pointing it out, the magic happens at the extremes. Small differences in abilities create huge differences in outcomes. On a 5 point IQ gap between men and women there are twice as many men at 130 as women and twice as many women at 70 than men. That’s just a mathematical outcome of overlapping normal distributions.

    There is an endemic paranoia amongst socialists against the nationalistic tendency, not only because it is anti-egalitarian but because the socialists got their asses handed to them by the Nazis. It is only the sheer weight of human sacrifice by the Russians (and Hitler’s ego) that halted them on the western front.

    This paranoia is at the heart of cultural marxism and continues to drive leftist politics. It infests everything.

    It’s not just about IQ, otherwise, east Asians would be rulers of the world and the creators of modernity.

    They are not, Europeans were. I suspect the last ice age had something to do with it, but whatever the reason, Europeans exploded in capability to produce outcomes in the last few thousand years compared to all other groups. And that ability accelerated in the last 1000 years such that when Europeans were reunited with other human offshoots, Europeans were intellectually, technologically and culturally so far ahead as to be able to conquer vast tracts of the world with scant resources.

    There are three factors I consider critical, one was an ability to repeatedly overcome recurring totalitarianism. The second was an ability to throw off the shackles of superstition and mysticism. The third was producing a culture of learning that would create sufficient intellectuals to drive creativity and progress in all fields.

    Clearly these three require a certain grit and determination that other races lack. If you look at what is holding back other races it is almost invariably one of the above three.

    You can experience caucasian grit, drive for creativity and progress on pretty much every internet forum.

  90. Rococo Liberal

    There is no progressive elite. They aren’t good enough to be the elite.

  91. alexnoaholdmate

    Fat Tony – your questions are indeed simple. Only a simpleton would be so ridiculous.

    And if you don’t like being compared to Nazis, maybe don’t express racial opinions that define the very basis of Nazi ideology.

    It’s not a smear if it’s accurate. You brownshirted goose-stepping scum. The irony of you arguing that anyone – anyone at all – could be inferior in intelligence is just ridiculous. Fuck off back to your hidden Nazi gold.

    (I notice also that there’s a few commenters who we rarely hear from on any subject at any time swarming out of the woodwork now to defend this Nazi ideology. Very interesting….)

  92. .

    “Zippy The Triumphant
    #2231762, posted on December 10, 2016 at 9:26 pm
    Zippy thinks that culture is genetically determined. There is no point arguing with this lunacy.

    Ah dot’s back to verballing.
    What I said was culture is not separable from the people that manifest that culture.”

    Jesus. What’s the farking difference?

    “DM OF WA
    #2231760, posted on December 10, 2016 at 9:24 pm
    To wonder if intelligence is linked to genetics is utterly taboo – a more serious offence even than questioning the global warming hypothesis. Polite people should not go there. Take note of the ignominious fates of poor old Larry Summers and poor old James Watson (even his Nobel could not save him!) Remember that we live in an age where right thinkers demand we all accept that gender is a purely social construct and dissenters must be ostracised and prosecuted.

    But please continue to feel free to praise the many outstanding African athletes for their magnificent achievements in dominating at the Olympics!”

    It is epigenetic. You need two-three generations of good nutrition for IQ to catch up.

  93. alexnoaholdmate

    By the way, Zippy – even though you are utterly, utterly wrong, at least your racist arguments are cogent. I can’t say the same for your acquaintance Fat Tony.

  94. struth

    Tony Abbott was a dumb prick in many aspects.
    What was his IQ?

  95. Oh come on

    Zippy, what is “cultural marxism”??

    You use this term all the time, yet are surprisingly coy when asked to define it.

  96. Ah dot’s back to verballing.
    What I said was culture is not separable from the people that manifest that culture.”

    Jesus. What’s the farking difference?

    It’s not a subtle difference. People are born with a large number of programs built into their neural nets.

    Anyone who has had children and more specifically children of both sexes can attest that they are very difference from the get go. It has even been shown that male monkey offsprings when presented with human male and female toys will gravitate towards male toys and female monkeys to female toys.

    Part of those programs are various temperaments, characteristics and preferences.

    It is very telling that when cats posted photos of attractive black women, a) they were light skinned blacks b) they all had the narrow caucasian nose rather than the flared negroid nose. So even by trying to demonstrate they were not racist people were still demonstrating clear racial preferences.

    Our perception of beauty is genetically driven. Facial symmetry, proportions, posture, comportment and likeness to one’s own race determine attraction. Its a well know rule in the PU community that attraction is not a choice.

    So those temperaments and behavioural characteristics form part of the culture. The other factors are time and place, the customs and knowledge embodied in the culture. These we learn about by being in the culture and perpetuate it.

    People mistaken the historical stream, the knowing stuff of a culture for the culture, but the people themselves form the basis of the culture. It is their temperaments and behavioural programs that drive the culture and their shared response to their environment and others. How we deal with conflict, how we deal with others, how we deal with adversity and difficulty all have strong influence on how the culture is shaped.

    If you accept that people will rapidly diverge physically when separated by distance then why would the programs in people’s brains not diverge?

    For example, there is a particular passivity in Asians, especially Eastern Chinese and Japanese. It’s reflected in their religions and very strongly in their cultures. Asian cultures are very much about keeping face and conflict avoidance. It’s reflected in their mannerisms and even in their near emotionless facial expressions. Asians are also more collectivist than individualists. Asians don’t learn to be like that, they are born like that. So Asian culture reflects who Asians are.

    If you replaced Asians with Europeans, there is no way that they could perpetuate Asian cultures simply because Europeans have vastly different temperaments and behaviours.

    Contract east Asian traditional folk dances with European traditional folk dances. Asian dance is slow and heavily stylised and tends towards being emotionally neutral. European dance are lively and emotionally charged.

    How many guys do we know that have opted for a submissive asian wife after being burnt by the emancipated Australian first wife?

    Africans on the other hand are far more expressive and tribal. You could hardly accuse most blacks of being emotionless. Even in a modern western context they still form tribes, think crips and bloods, apex gang. etc. African tend to be longer limbed and more agile, so their musical preferences and dances reflect that. African cultures reflect who Africans are.

    European cultures reflect who Europeans are. None are interchangeable, you can’t separate the culture from its people.

  97. Oh come on

    Oh shush, dot. You’ve just done for Zippy what Martin Luther did for Henry VIII.

  98. Zippy, what is “cultural marxism”??

    Political correctness. Came out of germany after WW2 as the revenge of internationalist Marxists determined to annihilate the remnants of national socialism and progress marxism through non revolutionary means. Cultural marxists still aim to bring on utopian communistic society by tipping traditional values on their heads.

    The long march through the institutions is pure cultural marxism. Like all Marxists it is driven by noble sounding memes and suckers in the well-meaning, the bleeding hearts and the meddling do-gooders. The idea that all people are all equal. That men and women are equal are all cultural marxist memes.

    memes of gender equality, racial equality, acceptance of sexual deviance, social justice, equity, aggressive taxaton, soft eugenics of abortions and euthanasia are all cultural marxism. The reality though is that the aim isn’t to create any of these equalities in the short term, the aim is to create conflict which will somehow lead to the overthrow of conservative capitalist society.

    Cultural marxism is a zombie. It is an out of control meme that has no valid or possible end-goal but still perpetuates by its sugar-coated exterior.

    Like all fatal viruses, this one is literally killing its host.

  99. .

    “For example, there is a particular passivity in Asians, especially Eastern Chinese and Japanese. ”

    Sure, which is why the Japs were Hitler’s ally and tried to control all of East Asia and the Western Pacific.

    ” It’s reflected in their religions and very strongly in their cultures. ”

    After Japan got nuked twice and China has repeatedly provoked the USA.

    “Asian cultures are very much about keeping face and conflict avoidance.”

    Which explains Ghengis Khan and the brutality of the Samurai class in Japan. Or the hundreds of millions who died in the unification and dynastic struggles of China.

    Or why the Vietnamese are the most proud other than the US of resisting foreign rule.Or why the North Vietnamese intentionally lost the war tactically and arguably short term strategically to eventually defeat the US. (Which cost a lot of lives).

    “Contract east Asian traditional folk dances with European traditional folk dances. Asian dance is slow and heavily stylised and tends towards being emotionally neutral. European dance are lively and emotionally charged.”

    What the fuck are you on about? Ever heard of the waltz? Or a lion dance?

    Keep talikng Zipperhead.

  100. .

    Those slow, unemotional Asians and their glacial folk dances with no feeling:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ue7IjwIbrE

    FFS.

  101. johanna

    Contract east Asian traditional folk dances with European traditional folk dances. Asian dance is slow and heavily stylised and tends towards being emotionally neutral. European dance are lively and emotionally charged.
    ——————————————————————————————–

    Zippy thinks that Morris Dancing is more lively and emotionally charged than the Lion Dance, because genetics.

    What a maroon.

  102. Sure, which is why the Japs were Hitler’s ally and tried to control all of East Asia and the Western Pacific.

    Passivity does not mean inaction. It is exactly the passivity of the Japanese and Chinese that allowed them to easily enlisted into the totalitarian project. Don’t confuse passivity with inaction. Passives are inclined to delay action and tend to be easily led. The character is more accurately passive-aggressive, suppress outward emotion but prone to outburst.

    Just because the general character is passive does not mean there are no individuals who are not and does not mean they are pacifist or lack ability to wage war.

    The further south you go the character changes. Thais and Vietnamese are different again to east and northern Asians who are different to Indonesians. But they still a lot closer to Chinese and Japanese then to Europeans.

    Traditional Japanese Dance Her face is virtually expressionless.

    Traditional Chinese Dance

    Traditional dance of Thailand.

    Traditional Irish Dancers

    traditional russian dance

    traditional greek dancing

    Riverdance the ultimate classical european blend.

    Are you seriously telling me you can’t see the bleedingly obvious differences?

    You are either extremely obtuse or seriously lack pattern discernment.

  103. Those slow, unemotional Asians and their glacial folk dances with no feeling:

    Where’s the women dot?

    Where’s the men in most traditional Asian dances?

    How many times did you see the women smiling in Asian vs European?

    How many times do you hear the audience or dancers whistle or call out in either group?

    How often does the pace accelerate in European dances vs Asian dances? How many Asian dances have an accelerative pace?

    The use of the legs is so obvious you have to be blind to not see it. Does it perhaps have something to do with Europeans having longer legs than Asians?

    What emotions do Asian dances try to demonstrate?

    What emotion does The Lion dance convey?

    Is it possible to see the emotion European dances try to convey?

    Seriously are you people really so unobservant?

  104. What emotion does The Lion dance convey?

    Let’s look at this one. What emotion does the lion dance convey? Anger? nope.

    The lion dance is supposed to convey fierceness. This is not an emotion, fierceness means intensity.

    Intensity does not mean determination either. Intensity can be applied to any emotion, intensity in love or hate.

    So this is typical of Chinese emotionless outwardness but “fierce” inwardness. ie a Passive-aggressive character.

    European dances tend to be about love and lust and celebration of life, traditionally they tend to be joyous and alcohol fueled events. The party is a traditional European mating ritual.

    Asian dances seem to be more about male entertainment. The women put on a show for the men. Sometimes the men put on their own show.

    Hand gestures tend to be symbolic and ritualised, whereas European hands gestures tend to be more about rhythm and pace. Clapping, clicking etc.

    Note the use of the word tend.

  105. .

    Holy fuck what a basket of abortion worthy Z grade stupidity.

  106. .

    I can’t believe Zippy is horrified by Asian dancers USING THEIR LEGS whilst dancing.

    WTF?!

  107. johanna

    The Zipster has beclowned himself about “race” and genetics, again.

    Heaven knows what he would make of the very large numbers of Australians, Americans, Brits, Europeans, Asians, etc whose “racial” mixture is …err … mixed.

    Perhaps Zippy has a formula for determining how intelligent they are?

  108. No dot, its fact. Stick to verballing.

    Another example North vs South Europe.

    2016 salsa champions wow!

    Who else in Europe could come up with these styles? Salsa, Tango, Rumba, all expressive latino styles.

    Can you image Asians coming up with these styles of dancing? Pompous Germans with their oumpapa beats?

    Sure they can learn them but they would never come up with these.

    Let me guess nothing to do with genetics.

  109. johanna

    Just read your latest posts about dancing, Zippy.

    Keep digging, and don’t forget to do a Morris Dance in your spare time!

  110. Ubique

    It’s not much different from the age-old lefty phenomenon of spruiking the virtues of government schools, decrying public subsidy of private schools, while all the while sending their kids to the best private schools money can buy. There are any number of Labor pollies in this category.

  111. Heaven knows what he would make of the very large numbers of Australians, Americans, Brits, Europeans, Asians, etc whose “racial” mixture is …err … mixed.

    The European mixture is small and mostly irrelevant. The inter-racial mixture is tiny and irrelevant. Even after 200 years of close proximity mingling, white Americans, Mexicans, American Indians and Black Americans have barely mixed at all.

    Nothing of any relevance will change in the next 100 years.

    Facts it seems are the new racism.

    Liberatarians infested with cultural marxism: priceless.

  112. Muddy

    At the risk of getting stuck in the middle somewhere… If a person believes that certain ‘races’ are superior or inferior in terms of identified characteristics …. SO FREAKING WHAT? I don’t have an opinion on Zippy’s argument (which I don’t completely follow, but then, I’ve also scrolled past a good deal of it), but why are THOUGHT CONTROL officers inhabiting this blog? Prejudice and discrimination are naturally human traits, though the latter will get you into trouble in public life. Shrieking racist! racist! racist! contributes nothing, aside from identifying you as a poser.

  113. .

    Shrieking nonsense like “Libertarians are champions of cultural Marxism” is bullshit muddy.

    I don’t need to shriek anything because Zppy proudly boasts of being a white supremacist.

    FFS this place is a fucking toilet.

  114. johanna

    Zipster is apparently blind.

    How many “Aboriginal” activists, or non-activists, are exclusively members of the gene pool you mention? Almost none. So, your argument is that because Aboriginal women procreated with the dregs of Ireland back in the day … oh dear, what is your argument, again?

    The trouble with people like the Zipster’s argument is, “pure” gene pools are not very common. Which is a good thing for the human species.

    Sicilians are part Arab, modern Greeks are kinda Turks, a lot of Scots are Scandinavian or Irish.

    Get over it.

  115. Speedbox

    I would make an observation about the “Russian” dance submitted as evidence above. The dancing shown is actually the Ukrainian Cossack dance. Whilst notionally Ukrainian, the Cossack dance is, in part, a traditional dance of Georgia which was annexed by the Russians in 1801. (BTW – Georgia has never considered itself part of Russia).

    Traditional Russian folk dancing does contain elements of the Cossack style dancing but it also contains elements from other slavic countries to the west (Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria etc) and Tatar areas to the east.

    So, whilst some many think the traditional Russian dance is basically “kick dancing”, that particular movement is only a small element of a much larger ensemble of moves.

  116. Leo G

    Like Wally at Wesley College?

    Wally at Wesley looks like a teddy bear with a big cheesy grin. Better than the whippet for snippets, I suppose.

  117. The trouble with people like the Zipster’s argument is, “pure” gene pools are not very common. Which is a good thing for the human species.

    huh? I write stuff and people read into it their own views. I explicitly have said that this has nothing to do with racial purity.

    This is an identitarian position, probably hard for you Johanna (and dot) to make sense of it since you have probably no idea what an identitarian position is. Instead you are going to follow dot’s nonsense that it’s about “white supremacy” meaning some sort of racist neo-nazi ideology. Because that is the only category you comprehend.

    It’s also got nothing to do with skin colour other than skin colour is a genetic marker for ethnicity and race.

    Identitarian position is fundamentally what the alt-right is about. It’s not about re-enacting national socialism, it’s about acknowledging reality.

    The reality is that the white race and its cultures are being eradicated in slow motion by the left. The alt-right position is not about welfare or small government it’s about survival.

    Survival. It is currently the only true conservative position.


    This is a reasonable summary of the alt-right
    read it. then come back and criticise using the right insults if that is what you feel like doing. I don’t agree with all of it, but the bulk is fairly spot on.

    In fact I’ll spare you the click:

    – The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right.
    – The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk’s 10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
    – The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
    – The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.
    – The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
    – The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
    – The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
    – The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
    – The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
    – The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
    – The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
    – The Alt Right doesn’t care what you think of it.
    – The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
    – The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
    – The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
    – The Alt Right is a philosophy that values peace among the various nations of the world and opposes wars to impose the values of one nation upon another as well as efforts to exterminate individual nations through war, genocide, immigration, or genetic assimilation.

  118. Combine Dave

    Tony Abbott was a dumb prick in many aspects.
    What was his IQ?

    He’s a white guy born in the UK.

    According to Zippy’s theory he should have been a political Stephen Hawking.

    With Gillard likewise being a veritable Einstein.

  119. Shrieking nonsense like “Libertarians are champions of cultural Marxism” is bullshit muddy.

    Well, you are the one keeps arguing all people are basically equal. Aborigines you said just need better nutrition and education and they’ll just fit right into modern society.

    This entire thread above arose from someone challenging me to put on the record that whites are statistically different from blacks. Of course they are and the reasons are overwhelmingly genetic.

    Then there was the “its not the people its the culture that’s important”. I claim that you can’t separate the culture from it’s people and it’s the people who are important, that the culture just reflects who they are.

    This culture first position is a subtle form of cultural marxism, that any race could just as easily fit into any culture, ie equalitarianism.

    There seems to me confusion between the notion of Christian equality, that we are all equally valuable to god and the notion of Marxist equality, the former is a moral equality, the later is an outcome equality.

    Implied in the cultural marxist equality is a necessity for the overwhelming primacy of environment over genes. Because if genes dictate the outcome, as they strongly tend to, there can be no equality of outcome. Whereas if environment dictates the outcome, nutrition, oppression etc there is the possibility of equality of outcome by changing the environment.


    These subtle forms of cultural marxism have infested everything but they are easy to identify once you understand the driving rationale behind them.

  120. JC

    I claim that you can’t separate the culture from it’s people and it’s the people who are important,

    Really?

    ” Bermuda enjoys the fourth highest per capita income in the world, about 70% higher than that of the US. The average cost of a single-family home in 2012 was $1.1 million.”

  121. Really?

    ” Bermuda enjoys the fourth highest per capita income in the world, about 70% higher than that of the US. The average cost of a single-family home in 2012 was $1.1 million.”

    JC your memory is failing we already covered this one.

    The sector struggled in the wake of the global recession of 2008-09. International business, which consists primarily of reinsurance and other financial services, is the real bedrock of Bermuda’s economy, consistently accounting for about 85% of the island’s GDP. Even this sector, however, has lost roughly 5,000 high-paying expatriate jobs since 2008

  122. Snoopy

    Zippy are you arguing that you can pluck an African American from a street in West Baltimore and drop him in Benin and he’ll be right at home?

  123. JC

    You keep repeating the same thing over and over again, Zipperhead. This is why I keep repeating the same thing to you.

    You argue that genetics and culture are intertwined. Bermuda shows that isn’t the case.

    I don’t understand why you think that the industries in Bermuda somehow proves something. It doesn’t, as you make do with what you can get and then turn it into something special.

    Up to the early 80’s Ireland was considered the basket case of Europe. They lowered taxes and imposts and in a generation it shot up to the top rankings of European GDP per cap.

    Here’s the other thing.. even within Europe you have great income variation. You do in Asia as well. Your culture is genetic theory is pure bunk.

  124. JC

    There clearly is genetic variation in the human race, Zipperhead. If there wasn’t humans wouldn’t have been able to live in almost every environment the earth dishes out and it why we are possibly the most successful species on earth, although I’m sure rats would contest this proposition.

    However to argue genetics and culture are mixed is a pretty big fucking statement. Name the gene(s) and the research which argues for your proposition.

    Evidence!

    Go!

  125. Aristogeiton

    We’ve got a bona fide racial scientist here. *leans forward* I like to keep up with the latest scientific advances; please continue.

  126. Fisky

    JC, ever notice how black people do that spirally thing with their hips when they dance? It’s probably an evolutionary thing they had to do to attract women, but it can’t have assisted their attempts to establish stable government!

    I think that’s what Zippy is talking about.

  127. Oh come on

    I write stuff

    On this point, we agree. I didn’t bother with the rest. No doubt it was blah blah blah race blah blah blah not race, genetics blah blah talking about genetics sounds more scientific blah blah I am scientific and conservative and libertarian blah blah IQ blah blah blah cultural marxism blah blah blah x 1000

  128. Oh come on

    Seriously, Zips. The 19th century called and wants its talking points back.

  129. JC

    One more thing.

    Zipperhead, If want to talk about culture lets talk about Germany. About 70 years ago Germans… yes Germans, not just a few, but a huge fucking big number of them were in on it.. committed what is the largest industrial genocide in the history of the world. It was so brutal that it’s almost unspeakable what those maniacs did.

    If your theory that culture is mixed in with genetics is true, we should be seriously thinking of rubbing out every single German or anyone of Germanic heritage because they will murder en masse again.

    Is this what you’re arguing?

  130. JC

    High brow German culture, right zipperhead?

    Hitler told Himmler that it was not enough for the Jews simply to die; they must die in agony. What was the best way to prolong their agony? Himmler turned the problem over to his advisers, who concluded that a slow, agonizing death could be brought about by placing Jewish prisoners in freight cars in which the floors were coated with…quicklime…which produced excruciating burns. The advisers estimated that it would take four days for the prisoners to die, and for that whole time the freight cars could be left standing on some forgotten siding…. Finally it was decided that the freight cars should be used in addition to the extermination camps.

  131. read some of his later papers on MAOA

    The Genetics of Violence


    An interesting read is the establishment’s attempts to discredit as racism any links between genetics and racial behaviour.

  132. I don’t understand why you think that the industries in Bermuda somehow proves something. It doesn’t, as you make do with what you can get and then turn it into something special.

    It’s a tax haven. Remove the expats who run the tax haven industry and GDP falls by 85%, ie typical of the rest of the Caribbean. The locals don’t run the money moving industry.

  133. JC

    No Zipperhead, you don’t get away with this bullshit by moving the point posts.

    Most people here have no problem excepting genetic variation among humans. But that’s not the point of contention, champ.

    You’ve argued that genetics and culture are inextricably linked.

    Prove it!

    Evidence!

  134. .

    Fuck me you get worse and worse.

  135. JC

    It’s a tax haven.

    So is Ireland. You take what you can get and run with it.

    It’s a tax haven because people trust the government to allow them to move money in and out of there which means they are culturally stable to be trusted. It’s a big deal, dumphy.

  136. BorisG

    “… yet because on this single issue I argue the anti-racist – and scientifically proven – view, I am a Marxist according to Zippy, whose own views were (rather noisily) adopted by Nazis.”

    Zippy thinks that everyone to the left of the Nazis is a Marxist. What’s so hard to understand? Left and right are relative concepts, and Zippy essentially shares Nazi ideology.

    What is harder to understand is that alexnoaholdmate has patience to debate the morons.

  137. JC

    Has yes zipperhead. The relationship between genetics and violence..

    Fortunately, uniquely for the elites of a major state, we have some detailed data on the IQs of the Nazi leadership (with the exception of a few important guys like Goebbels, Himmler, Bormann, and the Fuhrer himself) thanks to the US psychometrists attached to Nuremberg.

    1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
    2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
    3 Hermann Goering 138
    4 Karl Doenitz 138
    5 Franz von Papen 134
    6 Eric Raeder 134
    7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
    8 Hans Fritsche 130
    9 Baldur von Schirach 130
    10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
    11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
    12 Albert Speer 128
    13 Alfred Jodl 127
    14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
    15 Constantin von Neurath 125
    16 Walther Funk 124
    17 Wilhelm Frick 124
    18 Rudolf Hess 120
    19 Fritz Sauckel 118
    20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
    21 Julius Streicher 106

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/hitlers-iq-was-125/

    Not one of these scumbags has an average IQ.

  138. Zipperhead, If want to talk about culture lets talk about Germany. About 70 years ago Germans… yes Germans, not just a few, but a huge fucking big number of them were in on it.. committed what is the largest industrial genocide in the history of the world. It was so brutal that it’s almost unspeakable what those maniacs did.

    If your theory that culture is mixed in with genetics is true, we should be seriously thinking of rubbing out every single German or anyone of Germanic heritage because they will murder en masse again.

    Is this what you’re arguing?

    You are kind of making my point in a round about fashion. Did not german ingenuity take war to the next level? From memory, also the germanic tribes were ones of the few that the Romans were not able to conquer.

    Europe has a very long history of back and forwards wars. There is nothing new or special about Europeans enthusiastically waging war. I remember my european history books, chapter after chapter of empires, rise and falls of kings and endless wars.

    I have been careful not to make it a moral argument, European exceptionalism isn’t a moral position it is a materialist position. One of the cornerstones of the exceptionalism is the Christian morality, but the removal of the stifling shackles of Christianity’s anti-scientific stance was a milestone in European history.

    One that has not been repeated anywhere else other than by copying or enforce by Europeans.

    Europeans have overcome every totalitarian infestation, one way or another, even if that required help from its diaspora.

    The alt-right position isn’t about wiping out the unexceptionals, it’s about letting them be and them letting us be.

    It is about wiping out marxist ideology though because it is deliberately wiping us out. The projections for white population decline make WW2 look like a picnic.

    Europeans have created systems to keep totalitarianism in check, but they are not perfect. Exceptionalism isn’t a destination it’s neverending journey. Anyway these days it’s more about American exceptionalism because old man Europe has caught another fucking virus.

  139. BorisG

    “Oh Catallaxy, what have you become?”

    I am thinking about it for a long time. It used to be a libertarian blog (and still says so), but is now clearly dominated by rather extreme right wingers, so much that, according to the majority, John Howard, Tony Abbott and George W Bush are all leftists if not cultural Marxists.

    I think at least a partial explanation is that the Cat’s libertarian hosts are tolerant of any and all possible views no matter how extreme. When they come to a leftist blog they are quickly banned so they come here. Leftists prefer their own echo chamber, so do not often visit cat.

    Personally I do not understand why I waste my time here so often. Old habits die hard…

  140. JC

    You are kind of making my point in a round about fashion.

    I am, let see.

    Did not german ingenuity take war to the next level?.

    Not really, they were lucky fuckers at first. Then the odds scored against them.

    From memory, also the germanic tribes were ones of the few that the Romans were not able to conquer.

    So fucking what, doofus? I don’t know what went through the Roman mind 2000 years ago and neither do you. Perhaps the Romans were practicing an early form of cost benefit analysis. Like, what’s the point of going after these yokels as there’s no benefit.

    Europe has a very long history of back and forwards wars. There is nothing new or special about Europeans enthusiastically waging war. I remember my european history books, chapter after chapter of empires, rise and falls of kings and endless wars.

    Recall culture plus genetics? So what’s your war point prove?

    I have been careful not to make it a moral argument, European exceptionalism isn’t a moral position it is a materialist position. One of the cornerstones of the exceptionalism is the Christian morality, but the removal of the stifling shackles of Christianity’s anti-scientific stance was a milestone in European history.

    Germans were Christian and they performed the biggest genocide we’ve ever known. Again, if your proposition is correct should we blow the Germans out of the water?

    Europeans have overcome every totalitarian infestation, one way or another, even if that required help from its diaspora.

    Not the continent. Only the Brits were able to achieve this and perhaps Switzerland.

    The alt-right position isn’t about wiping out the unexceptionals, it’s about letting them be and them letting us be.

    It’s a gamers thing. Young single guys stuck in their parents basement.

    Europeans have created systems to keep totalitarianism in check, but they are not perfect.

    Sure. The EU and now Putinism is evidence for your theory?

    Exceptionalism isn’t a destination it’s neverending journey. Anyway these days it’s more about American exceptionalism because old man Europe has caught another fucking virus.

    Okay, but I want you to offer evidence of your theory that culture and genetics are linked. Proof please.

  141. BorisG

    “Zipperhead, If want to talk about culture lets talk about Germany. About 70 years ago Germans… yes Germans, not just a few, but a huge fucking big number of them were in on it.. committed what is the largest industrial genocide in the history of the world. It was so brutal that it’s almost unspeakable what those maniacs did.

    If your theory that culture is mixed in with genetics is true, we should be seriously thinking of rubbing out every single German or anyone of Germanic heritage because they will murder en masse again.”

    I don’t think you need to believe that culture is defined by genetics to be weary of a nation that committed such things. I do think that the Germans have gone through the period of self-repudiation and self-cleansing, which makes the repeat unlikely. Yet the very fact that a nation can do such things makes you wonder. This has nothing to do with racial theories. And of course no need to rubbing out etc. Just be alert.

  142. JC

    ha yes, zipperhead. The relationship between genetics and violence..

    Fortunately, uniquely for the elites of a major state, we have some detailed data on the IQs of the Nazi leadership…… thanks to the US psychometrists attached to Nuremberg.

    1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
    2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
    3 Hermann Goering 138
    4 Karl Doenitz 138
    5 Franz von Papen 134
    6 Eric Raeder 134
    7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
    8 Hans Fritsche 130
    9 Baldur von Schirach 130
    10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
    11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
    12 Albert Speer 128
    13 Alfred Jodl 127
    14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
    15 Constantin von Neurath 125
    16 Walther Funk 124
    17 Wilhelm Frick 124
    18 Rudolf Hess 120
    19 Fritz Sauckel 118
    20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
    21 Julius Streicher 106

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/hitlers-iq-was-125/

    Not one of these scumbags has an average IQ.

  143. BorisG

    IQ is just one measure of human intelligence. To characterize humans based on this one number is stupid t the extreme.

    By all accounts hitler was an evil genius. This wasn’t intelligence, this was something else. An extraordinary talent for leading people. The fact that the path he offered was so evil, so obviously doomed and just insane makes it even more extraordinary.

  144. .

    “The origin of advanced civilization is in fact the humble horse!”

    It is not a bad partial theory.

    “To claim the races evolved physical differences but not intellectual ones is ridiculous.”

    No it isn’t. Being bad a sports doesn’t make you a genius.

    ” I’ve heard it said that in Victorian times honest and open discussions about sex was forbidden, we’ve simply replaced the sexual taboo with a racial one.”

    I’ve heard you’re a binary, tribalist, white supremacist fucking idiot who thinks anyone rejecting Nazism is a Marxist.

  145. .

    “As for the Holocaust, I have serious doubts about the nature and extent of that. ”

    Fuck me. A real life Nazi and anti-cemite who thinks that anyone who dislikes Nazis is a left wing extremist.

    Patton and Arthur Harris were not “left wing extremists” you freaking loon.

  146. Paul

    “The thing is to just get along, make friends and accept differences.”

    Were it reciprocated by the vibrant diversity then it would be a rainbow wonderland, but accepting differences and getting along is hard when some piece of Sudanese s*** is shanking you because he hates Whitey.

  147. Paul

    “As for the Holocaust, I have serious doubts about the nature and extent of that. I suspect it’s ever increasing prominence is more a reflection of the J3wish dominance of the Western media than the actual magnitude of the tragedy.”

    Third rail touched. This should get good.

  148. .

    Well, walk softly and carry a big stick then Paul.

    Well – that isn’t legal in Australia. You sir are carrying an offensive weapon and must be treated like a career violent criminal.

  149. .

    Nothing good can come of white supremacy fantasies and pimping holocaust denial.

  150. .

    “Just like the loony left you think that anyone who challenges the false god of egalitarianism is a homicidal maniac who wants to kill minorities.”

    You just said the holocaust was bullshit and white people are always intellectually superior.

    ” You’re basically saying that yes, all forms hierarchy and nationalism are bad because they will logically lead to Nazism.”

    No, you are being dishonest. De Gaulle killed plenty of Nazis.

    “This Nazi hang-up is something the West is really going to have to get over if it wants to survive”

    How did killing six millions chews and destroying Germany help Europe “survive”?

    Europe was better before WWI and post WWII before fascists took over much of central Europe.

    “Right now we cannot have any sensible nationalist policy because as soon as somebody suggests it a bunch of hysterical wack-jobs start invoking images of gas chambers and crematoria.”

    You. Just. Questioned. The. Horrors. Of. The. Holocaust. – then you went on to say the West needs to get over this to thrive.

    Never again.

  151. Did not german ingenuity take war to the next level?.

    Not really, they were lucky fuckers at first. Then the odds scored against them.

    Hitler’s ego scored against them. German’s millitary technology and it progress was outstanding compared to anyone else. It could have ended very differently, I think it was us who were lucky.

    There was nothing lucky about its conquest of France it was brilliant strategy. Hitler’s war on Russia was fraught with egoistic mistakes.

    Note also I haven’t said that culture is defined by genes, what I have said is culture reflect who the people are and that is in part defined by their genes. Physical characteristics and mental characteristics are part of what makes the culture what it is. And I said there is also the historical traditions and knowledge that one learns.

    What I said is you can’t replace the people with a different racial group and expect a culture to continue unchanged.

    I haven’t said there are genes directly for culture. Peoples who evolved in the sub-artic are going to have very different temperament and physical characteristics to people who evolved around the Mediterranean. Those differences are reflected in their culture.

    The alt-right position isn’t about wiping out the unexceptionals, it’s about letting them be and them letting us be.

    It’s a gamers thing. Young single guys stuck in their parents basement.

    No its not. Alt-right in Europe are very real parties. PVV, 5 star, National Front, Alternative for Deutschland etc are all identitarian. Trump’s win is part an alternative to conservatism win.

    These parties are not rising because of a few migrants, they are rising because it has become evident that Europe and whites in general are being erased in slow motion by cultural marxism.

    Identitarian literature is in fact based on live and let live. Gamergati and twitterati are just following the lead.

  152. .

    “There was nothing lucky about its conquest of France it was brilliant strategy”

    FMD. The Germans nearly lost a significant proportion of their tanks entering France, if Guderian wasn’t such a good tactician, they would have lost the war rather badly in 1940.

    Try actually reading some real history before bloviating.

  153. Not one of these scumbags has an average IQ.

    High IQ does not guarantee someone doesn’t hold bad or dumb beliefs. Look at the number of socialists, most of the leaders have very high IQ.

    Beliefs tend to held on little actual evidence, many because they resonate with one’s core values.

    Socialist memes are soaked in sugary noble sounding soundbytes and appeal to many very smart people.

  154. By all accounts hitler was an evil genius. This wasn’t intelligence, this was something else. An extraordinary talent for leading people. The fact that the path he offered was so evil, so obviously doomed and just insane makes it even more extraordinary.

    Hitler never went to the German people and preached genocide or eugenics. His speeches from the few I have listened to sound like any other socialist but with a strong nationalistic bent. Like every other socialist, what they say and what they do are very different.

    His speeches were very much collectivist, German collectivist.

  155. FMD. The Germans nearly lost a significant proportion of their tanks entering France, if Guderian wasn’t such a good tactician, they would have lost the war rather badly in 1940.

    Try actually reading some real history before bloviating.

    hmm. I did actually. You are just pissed because I exposed your unconscious cultural marxist belief which you still seem to refuse to recognise.

  156. .

    Um yeah sure. You know fuck all you blowhard.

  157. I have always rubbished the idea of leftwing libertarians, I mean who can hold 2 diametrically opposed ideas without realising they are incompatible? Well, I was wrong, seems you can be a Libertarian and still hold on to an egalitarian idea that all people are equal.

    shrug

  158. Oh come on

    That is basically the current ideology of the West. Feel free to prove me wrong.

    You’re telling the story, pal. It’s incumbent upon you to prove yourself right.

    As the late Chris Hitchens said, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    Go find your own sources to back up your shitty ideas. No one else is going to bother doing your work for you.

  159. Oh come on

    Zippy, you are a collectivist who, from memory, also claims to be a libertarian (amongst other things). How do you hold those two incompatible ideologies concurrently?

  160. .

    Questioning German military brilliance (they lost) is Marxist and some other moron is comparing six million dead bodies with “adjusted” temperature data.

    This blog is a fucking sewer.

  161. Stan

    Err, letfties are raving hypocrites?

  162. Oh come on

    Now now, there will be no shifting of goalposts here. Let’s deal with one matter at a time.

    Of course not all white men are Nazis but all Nazis were white men. Therefore all white men are potential Nazis and morally questionable.

    You asked someone to prove the above wrong. You obviously want people to consider it to be right. Thing is, you need to provide the evidence that you are right, else your assertion will be, quite rightly, dismissed without further consideration. In which case, you’ve wasted your time.

  163. .

    Peter – why don’t YOU fuck off to Sturmfront?

  164. Oh come on

    I should have included the following in the quote above:

    That is basically the current ideology of the West.

  165. JC

    As for the Holocaust, I have serious doubts about the nature and extent of that. I suspect it’s ever increasing prominence is more a reflection of the J3wish dominance of the Western media than the actual magnitude of the tragedy.

    You walking, breathing human turd. You degenerate filth. Walt Disney created the gas chambers for propaganda purposes, did he?

    The good thing, the great thing the US government did was have the Dept. of Justice catalogue the unspeakable atrocities committed by your pals. It’s there in black and white and the pictorial evidence to support it.

  166. JC

    Let me guess, Peter P is a loser , without zero accomplishment, sitting in front of the computer, stewing about his predicament and blaming j*ws for his sad life.

  167. JC

    By all accounts hitler was an evil genius. This wasn’t intelligence, this was something else. An extraordinary talent for leading people. The fact that the path he offered was so evil, so obviously doomed and just insane makes it even more extraordinary.

    He had one strength. His oratory skills were good, but other than that he was a fucking idiot. Everything he did was a failure. Per capita GDP was lower in 1939 than it was when he took over in 1933.

    If you think running over countries and killing innocents indicates genius, then we have a different measure of what that term actually means.

  168. Sinclair Davidson

    I thought I had previously smoted Peter P.

    Oh, well. Better late than never.

  169. JC

    High IQ does not guarantee someone doesn’t hold bad or dumb beliefs. Look at the number of socialists, most of the leaders have very high IQ.

    Except that we weren’t discussing intelligent people with high IQ. You related IQ level to violence.

  170. Except that we weren’t discussing intelligent people with high IQ. You related IQ level to violence.

    No, you asked for a link between behaviour, actually culture and genetics. Regardless, if for example MAOA is violence inducing gene, it matters little what your IQ is you will still have violent tendencies. I expect such people surely exist.

    IQ is nothing but a measurement of the processing capability of the brain. It tells you little about what is actually running in the brain.

  171. Zippy, you are a collectivist who, from memory, also claims to be a libertarian (amongst other things). How do you hold those two incompatible ideologies concurrently?

    collectivist? why? because I agree with the alt-right proposition that we should preserve our race and culture which are currently under threat. That sounds rather conservative to me.

    Are you using the word collectivist loosely or more precisely in the marxist sense?

    One has to be clear that being a collectivist in the marxist sense involves a set of policy position around equality of outcome. Nowhere have I supported equality of outcome, I have been vigorously arguing against it.

    If you are using collectivist in the loose sense of a mere collection of like minded people like here at the cat as somehow being evil because it’s a collection then that falls under the category of Libertarian autism from that link that was posted yesterday.

  172. We seem to be constantly heading off on tangents here. So here are the facts, feel free to disagree.

    Cultural marxism is a real movement that took root in the late 60s.

    Gender equality a cultural marxist policy has trashed our fertility rates.

    This reduction in population is an ongoing issue since the 70s, masked by the overlap of generational cohorts.

    At current rate of population decline Europe will loose 50m workers by 2050. This rate of loss will accelerate as the 1970s cohort dies off and then the 2000 cohort dies off.

    Euro Elites plan to replace the declining population with Africans and Middle Easterners.

    The same pattern is occurring in the US and Australia but with different migrants.

    The real issue is this:

    Socialists are saying: all these migrants are just as good as you are, so shut up and die quietly. If you disagree that migrants are as good as you are, you are a racist.

  173. Oh come on

    You are a collectivist because all racists are collectivists. You categorise people into groups and make assumptions about them based on characteristics you’ve ascribed to them.

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