The Russians are coming!

In fact, according to the latest forms of Democrat hysteria, they have already been. I’m not even sure I know what the Russians have been accused of doing. Here’s a version of the story that mirrors my own scepticism: Trump on Russia meddling in US election: ‘I don’t believe it’.

US intelligence has previously linked Russia to leaks of damaging email from Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign but saw it as a broad bid to undermine confidence in the US political process.

On Friday, however, the Washington Post reported that the CIA has since concluded that the aim of the cyber intrusions was to help Trump win the election.

The New York Times quoted a senior administration officials as saying there was “high confidence” that the Russians hacked both the Democratic and Republican National Committees, but leaked only documents damaging to Clinton through WikiLeaks.

There is no doubting that WikiLeaks made a difference, and it would be interesting if it turned out that the Russians thought of Hillary as the less reliable partner. There is, of course, Obama with his ‘the 1980s Are Calling, They Want Their Foreign Policy Back’ which he said after Romney had stated that Russia was the largest geopolitical threat during the debates in 2012. But more amusing was when Donald Trump Called on Russia to Find Hillary Clinton’s Missing Emails. This is from The NYT on July 27.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said during a news conference here in an apparent reference to Mrs. Clinton’s deleted emails. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”

Since they have no sense of humour on the left, and specially no appreciation of irony, I will point out that it was meant as a joke. As the story concludes:

Mr. Trump’s apparent willingness to avoid condemning Mr. Putin’s government is a remarkable departure from United States policy and Republican Party orthodoxy, and has fueled the questions about Russian meddling in the campaign. Mr. Trump has denied that, saying at the news conference that he has never met Mr. Putin, and has no investments in Russia.

“I would treat Vladimir Putin firmly, but there’s nothing I can think of that I’d rather do than have Russia friendly as opposed to the way they are right now,” he said, “so that we can go and knock out ISIS together.”

I would like to have Russia friendly as well. We are no longer in the middle of the cold war, and there is this business about ISIS.

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120 Responses to The Russians are coming!

  1. Roger

    I would like to have Russia friendly as well. We are no longer in the middle of the cold war, and there is this business about ISIS.

    Not to mention China.

  2. Fisky

    https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/808104089028530176

    “Ben JacobsVerified account
    ‏@Bencjacobs
    John Bolton suggests DNC hack was potentially a false flag operation by the Obama administration”

  3. H B Bear

    What a strange state of affairs when you have a totalitarian communist regime doing the job that Western journalists can no longer be trusted to do. And exposing them at the same time. #fakenews

  4. H B Bear

    Even George Orwell didn’t see that coming.

  5. Dr Fred Lenin

    These goddammed commies got the socialist candidate defeated ,by exposing her crimes ,aint fair,these commies caused millions of Americans to vote for a man who actually loves his country ,even our skilled vote manipulators ,( cheats } couldnt get us a win ,we will protest to the untidy nayshuns fascists ,they will sort out this imposter,winning from us unthinkable the presidency is ours ,forever .

  6. Rabz

    JJJ news this morning actually played the interview with el Trumpo uttering those words cited above.

    Talk about fake news you can use. Quite frankly, the dumbocrats blaming Russia for Fatty Trump’s win is beyond ridiculous. However, it will no doubt energise unfunny dimwits like Oliver, Colbert and Conehead O’Brien.

    In the meantime, Shrillary can keep crying into her (non Russian) vodka and throwing darts at a picture of Huma and Wally Weiner.

  7. struth

    The best thing for the world, and what Russia really wants right now, is to be friends with the west.
    Even if they don’t say that, and Putin still likes to talk tough.

    I personally find this whole Boris Karloff characterisation of Russia these days as nothing but a desperate attempt by their media to do an Abbott -Indonesia type stunt.
    It could have been a dangerous thing to do if the US still gave a shit about anything the media says.
    Countries are allies one minute, enemies the next and back to being friends as quick as they can afterwards.
    The truth is that the left are falling out of love with Russia.
    They are no longer the destroyers of the west and Christianity they once could have been .
    The UN and EU and the democrats themselves are much more destructive to the west.
    Russia are actually fighting terrorism!
    Lefty brains are exploding everywhere, and people just laugh.
    Now, in Australia’s case……………..

  8. Iampeter

    I’ve just assumed when Hillary’s camp says “Russian” they mean “disgruntled Bernie Sanders supporters.

  9. Rabz

    Boris Karloff characterisation of Russia

    A Boris Badenov characterisation of Russia would be preferable.

  10. Fisky

    “The best thing for the world, and what Russia really wants right now, is to be friends with the west.”

    Pretty sure that’s not what Russia wants, and I wish them all the best in destabilising their next target: Merkel.

  11. struth

    It’s not a calli type comment, and I am open to being wrong, but I reckon we would see a more relaxed Russia without dealing with the Obummer, Clinton mussie love fest.

    I believe we really have underestimated just how bad Obummer was, and Hillary (and Huma) would have been when it came to ISLAM.
    And Russia doesn’t want a thing to do with Islam.
    My enemy’s enemy and all that.
    There could well be (but maybe not) a golden opportunity here for the Christian based west.
    Just a theory.

  12. struth

    Yeah…..
    Borus Karloff………..Yuk yuk yuk.

    That “post” button gets hit far too quickly.
    Apologies.

  13. Ant

    Strange to see the US media working themselves up into a lather over Trump’s quasi long distance love affair with Putin.

    Yet they were silent on Hillary Clinton facilitating the ownership of around 20% of US Uranium reserves to the Russians.

    Then the matter of Hillary’s stupid and juvenile “RESET” fail with Russia.

  14. struth

    Boris…….see what I mean.

  15. Fisky

    “It’s not a calli type comment, and I am open to being wrong, but I reckon we would see a more relaxed Russia without dealing with the Obummer, Clinton mussie love fest.”

    We are not going to see a more relaxed Russia. We are going to see a very confident, supercharged Russia. And there will be upsides and downsides to that. The upside is they are going to try to finish off the EU, and might even succeed. The downside is they may not know where to stop, and the Trump administration will have to define US interests very carefully in order to demarcate and prevent any clashes with Russia.

    But Russia is not friendly and never will be.

  16. OldOzzie

    Former UK Ambassador Blasts “CIA’s Blatant Lies”, Shows “A Little Simple Logic Destroys Their Claims”

    Authored by Craig Murray, a former British ambassador to Uzbekistan, and was the Rector of the University of Dundee

    I have watched incredulous as the CIA’s blatant lie has grown and grown as a media story – blatant because the CIA has made no attempt whatsoever to substantiate it. There is no Russian involvement in the leaks of emails showing Clinton’s corruption. Yes this rubbish has been the lead today in the Washington Post in the US and the Guardian here, and was the lead item on the BBC main news. I suspect it is leading the American broadcasts also.

    A little simple logic demolishes the CIA’s claims. The CIA claim they “know the individuals” involved. Yet under Obama the USA has been absolutely ruthless in its persecution of whistleblowers, and its pursuit of foreign hackers through extradition. We are supposed to believe that in the most vital instance imaginable, an attempt by a foreign power to destabilise a US election, even though the CIA knows who the individuals are, nobody is going to be arrested or extradited, or (if in Russia) made subject to yet more banking and other restrictions against Russian individuals? Plainly it stinks. The anonymous source claims of “We know who it was, it was the Russians” are beneath contempt.

    As Julian Assange has made crystal clear, the leaks did not come from the Russians. As I have explained countless times, they are not hacks, they are insider leaks – there is a major difference between the two. And it should be said again and again, that if Hillary Clinton had not connived with the DNC to fix the primary schedule to disadvantage Bernie, if she had not received advance notice of live debate questions to use against Bernie, if she had not accepted massive donations to the Clinton foundation and family members in return for foreign policy influence, if she had not failed to distance herself from some very weird and troubling people, then none of this would have happened.

    The continued ability of the mainstream media to claim the leaks lost Clinton the election because of “Russia”, while still never acknowledging the truths the leaks reveal, is Kafkaesque.

    I had a call from a Guardian journalist this afternoon. The astonishing result was that for three hours, an article was accessible through the Guardian front page which actually included the truth among the CIA hype:

    The Kremlin has rejected the hacking accusations, while the WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has previously said the DNC leaks were not linked to Russia. A second senior official cited by the Washington Post conceded that intelligence agencies did not have specific proof that the Kremlin was “directing” the hackers, who were said to be one step removed from the Russian government.

    Craig Murray, the former UK ambassador to Uzbekistan, who is a close associate of Assange, called the CIA claims “bullshit”, adding: “They are absolutely making it up.”

    “I know who leaked them,” Murray said. “I’ve met the person who leaked them, and they are certainly not Russian and it’s an insider. It’s a leak, not a hack; the two are different things.

    “If what the CIA are saying is true, and the CIA’s statement refers to people who are known to be linked to the Russian state, they would have arrested someone if it was someone inside the United States.

    “America has not been shy about arresting whistleblowers and it’s not been shy about extraditing hackers. They plainly have no knowledge whatsoever.”
    But only three hours. While the article was not taken down, the home page links to it vanished and it was replaced by a ludicrous one repeating the mad CIA allegations against Russia and now claiming – incredibly – that the CIA believe the FBI is deliberately blocking the information on Russian collusion. Presumably this totally nutty theory, that Putin is somehow now controlling the FBI, is meant to answer my obvious objection that, if the CIA know who it is, why haven’t they arrested somebody. That bit of course would be the job of the FBI, who those desperate to annul the election now wish us to believe are the KGB.

    It is terrible that the prime conduit for this paranoid nonsense is a once great newspaper, the Washington Post, which far from investigating executive power, now is a sounding board for totally evidence free anonymous source briefing of utter bullshit from the executive.

    In the UK, one single article sums up the total abnegation of all journalistic standards. The truly execrable Jonathan Freedland of the Guardian writes “Few credible sources doubt that Russia was behind the hacking of internal Democratic party emails, whose release by Julian Assange was timed to cause maximum pain to Hillary Clinton and pleasure for Trump.” Does he produce any evidence at all for this assertion? No, none whatsoever. What does a journalist mean by a “credible source”? Well, any journalist worth their salt in considering the credibility of a source will first consider access. Do they credibly have access to the information they claim to have?

    Now both Julian Assange and I have stated definitively the leak does not come from Russia. Do we credibly have access? Yes, very obviously. Very, very few people can be said to definitely have access to the source of the leak. The people saying it is not Russia are those who do have access. After access, you consider truthfulness. Do Julian Assange and I have a reputation for truthfulness? Well in 10 years not one of the tens of thousands of documents WikiLeaks has released has had its authenticity successfully challenged. As for me, I have a reputation for inconvenient truth telling.

    Contrast this to the “credible sources” Freedland relies on. What access do they have to the whistleblower? Zero. They have not the faintest idea who the whistleblower is. Otherwise they would have arrested them. What reputation do they have for truthfulness? It’s the Clinton gang and the US government, for goodness sake.

    In fact, the sources any serious journalist would view as “credible” give the opposite answer to the one Freedland wants. But in what passes for Freedland’s mind, “credible” is 100% synonymous with “establishment”. When he says “credible sources” he means “establishment sources”. That is the truth of the “fake news” meme. You are not to read anything unless it is officially approved by the elite and their disgusting, crawling whores of stenographers like Freedland.

    The worst thing about all this is that it is aimed at promoting further conflict with Russia. This puts everyone in danger for the sake of more profits for the arms and security industries – including of course bigger budgets for the CIA. As thankfully the four year agony of Aleppo comes swiftly to a close today, the Saudi and US armed and trained ISIS forces counter by moving to retake Palmyra. This game kills people, on a massive scale, and goes on and on.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-11/former-uk-ambassador-blasts-cias-blatant-lies-shows-little-simple-logic-destroys-the

  17. struth

    You could be right Fisky.
    And you most likely are.
    But a bear with it’s back to the wall will be just as aggressive too.

  18. Roger

    Pretty sure that’s not what Russia wants, and I wish them all the best in destabilising their next target: Merkel.

    Merkel’s done a pretty good job of that herself.

    We should be under no illusions about Putin but it was downright stupid of Hillary and the DoS to provoke an ally in the struggle against militant Islam. Putin’s been cleaning up her mess in Syria because he has no confidence in our efforts to do so. No wonder he despised the outgoing administration.

    Meanwhile, with Trump’s election, China must at least be reconsidering its policy to push the US out of the western Pacific and back to Hawaii.

    What a difference a month makes!

  19. LGS

    Conservatives/Republicans friendly and diplomatic towards foreign countries = bad.
    Conservatives/Republicans unfriendly and undiplomatic towards foreign countries = bad.
    Progressives/Democrats friendly/unfriendly and diplomatic/undiplomatic towards foreign countries = good.
    I still remember the hysteria from the unhinged Left when then PM Tony Abbott went to Sri Lanka to strengthen ties and bring the countries closer together.

  20. .

    “Talk about fake news you can use. Quite frankly, the dumbocrats blaming Russia for Fatty Trump’s win is beyond ridiculous. However, it will no doubt energise unfunny dimwits like Oliver, Colbert and Conehead O’Brien.”

    I reckon Pute couldn’t give two shits. He has massive economic problems to contend with and ISIS in Russia’s underbelly.

  21. Fisky

    Hopefully Russia will run a brutal psy-op against Merkel, exploiting the divisions and weaknesses within German society and fatally undermining public confidence in their “democracy”. That’s the next port of call. And we should wish Putin all the best. I hope Germany is completely paralysed. If a good enough job can be done on them, depending on the situation elsewhere (i.e. France/Italy), we could see the total disintegration of the EU sooner than later.

  22. Fisky

    By March 2017, Germans will have been so confused by the coming psy-op that they won’t know even whether Hitler was a democrat or a dictator anymore. Putin will be funding both the extreme right and the extreme left at the same time, getting them to savage Merkel from all angles, turning German and German, and making a sensible/coherent government practically impossible. And I fully support this endeavor.

  23. Fisky

    turning German against German…

  24. Fisky

    What else could Putin do? Maybe set up an Islamic extremist party in Germany and get them to run for office. Their campaign slogan could be “We will conquer!”.

    And of course run lots of social media campaigns linking Merkel’s family to the former Nazi regime. Germans will have absolutely no idea what to do and who to turn to!

  25. Iampeter

    Just adding another two cents on the overall Russia issue but I think Fisky is pretty spot on in this.

    People forget that Russians may look like Westerners but their culture and beliefs are as far removed as that of ISIS. Also they are responsible for much larger atrocities which they haven’t even remotely disavowed with lots of people today feeling nostalgia for the days of Stalin.

    Russia is an ancient, mystic and Collectivist society that will never be our friend and that relationship must always be proactively managed lest we get a knife in the back. Or front.

  26. Fisky

    The problem is that Russians are so used to thinking in a certain way that Westerners find it difficult to comprehend, their M.O. is totally alien to ours, there will never be any reasonable prospect of friendship. I think the same is true of the Islamic world, but for different reasons. You just have to try to demarcate your respective areas of influence, state what your interests are clearly, and try to avoid unnecessary clashes if possible.

  27. Speedbox

    “The problem is that Russians are so used to thinking in a certain way that Westerners find it difficult to comprehend, their M.O. is totally alien to ours, there will never be any reasonable prospect of friendship.”

    And in what way do Russians think?

  28. Roger

    People forget that Russians may look like Westerners but their culture and beliefs are as far removed as that of ISIS.

    Not as far removed as ISIS, surely.

    Russian culture is deeply Christian, though, as you say, mystical and collectivist. But we at least have that in common, or used to before the West jettisoned Christianity for materialism (the philosophy, that is, not material comforts).

  29. Fisky

    “And in what way do Russians think?”

    Paranoid, conspiratorial, distrustful (not all but a critical mass including the elite). The result of centuries of Tsarism, foreign invasion, and Communist brainwashing. So those habits of mind aren’t going away soon.

  30. Fisky

    Other problem with Russia is that even approaching them with gestures of goodwill won’t work. They’ll just view it as a sign of weakness, while never changing their minds about the fundamental untrustworthiness of Westerners. Only way to work with Russia is to be polite but firm, very clear about where the no-go areas are and what kinds of consequences might follow in general – not too specific – terms.

  31. Fisky

    Remember the last time the Russians trusted the West in the 1990’s. Their reward from that was a bunch of Harvard economists being sent over there and advising them how to transfer their state-controlled industries into private hands. Boy did that backfire. Anyway, combined with the oil price tanking, and then NATO taking out Serbia, we aren’t going to be “friends” with Russia for a long time again, not matter how hard we try.

  32. Fisky

    Remember that kid you used to be in the same class with. You had about three fist-fights over the years, one major argument over a girl, maybe a couple of occasions where you were joining sides to gang up on a third kid, but for the most part exchanging sledges in the corridor. After a while both of you grew up and even shook hands at graduation. But no way in hell are you ever calling each other “friends”.

  33. Speedbox

    “Remember that kid you used to be in the same class with. You had about three fist-fights over the years, one major argument over a girl, maybe a couple of occasions where you were joining sides to gang up on a third kid, but for the most part exchanging sledges in the corridor. After a while both of you grew up and even shook hands at graduation. But no way in hell are you ever calling each other “friends”.”

    Good Heavens Fisky you gave me a start. I thought we had known each other at school!! (you didn’t go to Glenunga High did you?)

  34. calli

    Can someone please tell me what a “calli type comment” is?

    Be brutal. I’m a tough old bat. 😃

  35. Speedbox

    Your comments about Russian thought processes are fundamentally correct and your remarks about distrust of the West are definitely spot-on. And interestingly, the Russian history of (seemingly) endless invasion of their territory for about a thousand years is also a factor. Yes, the Russians have done their fair share of invasion as well but their internal history is incredibly brutal. In some ways it is a testament to their resilience that Russia even exists.

    I can also say that it takes a VERY long time to earn a degree of Russian trust (especially for non Russians) and even then, you should count your fingers after shaking hands. A very complex society with so many factors influencing their outlook.

  36. Fisky

    It’s a good thing that with so many dangerous and cynical countries out there in the world, our Western leadership is solid, and not at all prone to dramatic gestures of unilateral self-abasement before the Other.

    Oh…

  37. Speedbox

    Yes, aren’t we lucky.

  38. Myrddin Seren

    ……. turning German and German, and making a sensible/coherent government practically impossible. And I fully support this endeavor.

    I have to concede to Fisky.

    Until the Wall came down in 1989, I never expected to see the two Germanys reunited.

    And after the extreme unpleasantnesses of 1914-18 and 1939-45, I was not altogether unhappy about the German peoples spending most of their time glaring at each other over the barbed wire and minefields. Kind of kept them nicely distracted from peering around and trying to re-order Europe after their own fashion – again.

    Not sure how well reunification has really worked, all things considered ?

  39. struth

    Oh, God, I am sorry Calli.
    My mind is elsewhere today.
    I meant a “Candy” type comment.

  40. Fisky

    “Not sure how well reunification has really worked, all things considered ?”

    Not very well at all. German re-unification has never been a good thing, and the sooner we splinter that country into hundreds of principalities the better.

  41. mh

    I see a recent Piers Akerman headline was ‘Left whines as Trump bottles grapes of wrath’. I would like to have read the article but unfortunately it is hidden behind a paywall. If News Ltd needs to improve their bottom line surely it should be getting rid of the dead wood, such as Dennis Atkins. Throughout 2016 I would flick through a copy of the Courier Mail and see yet another opinion piece from Dennis on the US election. He would conclude every article with a statement that Donald Trump will not be winning the Presidency.

  42. Stackja

    BO’s CIA blame Putin for Dems problems.

  43. Stackja

    Fisky – Undo Bismarck?

  44. calli

    Lol. I’m not nearly as sweet. 🍭🍭🍭

  45. Rebel with cause

    We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.

  46. Paul

    The NYT, the WaPo… neither work for American interests or have ever done so.

  47. Snoopy

    Courier Mail blames Putin for Dennis Atkins’ embarrassment.

  48. Yohan

    The Russian interventions claims are from anonymous sources. But even if you take them at face value, the anonymous sources still say there is no actual proof Russia did it. It’s an inference, that they ‘probably’ did it.

    For what it’s worth, Julian Assange had addressed this a few times; he says the DNC/email stuff is actually a leak, not a hack, and that it came from within the US, not from foreign sources.

  49. memoryvault

    What I want to know is, why did the Russians place copies of the purloined emails onto Weiner’s hard drive? Was this part of a sub-plot to drive a wedge between Clinton and Huma?

  50. Mother Lode

    I will admit a degree of bewilderment that he Russians were more enthusiastic to have Trump as President that Illary.

    If they wanted to bully someone that frail gasping lump, for whom no point is so important that she might not surrender it for her singularity-like foundation.

    The Russians must actually need another leader for some strategic purpose. Something for which Illary’s inconstancy, ineptitude and venality would have been a liability.

  51. Dr Fred Lenin

    The old “godammed commis “syndrome has been transferred to ‘Putin and the Russians ” , the left are so busy “using ” the illiterate peasant islamofascists to gain more power to themselves ,of course when the u.n.communust unelected government they work towards gains total power in the West ,the ignorant islamofascists will bow to their superior intellect mand go back to killing each other and shagging goats . Yeah right comrades . Putins Russia will not comply ,so they are the enemy .

  52. harrys on the boat

    Not even m0nty is commenting on this pile of bullshit as he knows its just a rakefest.

  53. Fisky

    Shush, Harry! I was hoping he would come on here.

  54. It’s funny how:

    a) the exposure of colossal electoral fraud in the Democrats’ favour starts to be exposed. and then

    b) the very next day, it’s somehow the Russians and Vladimir Putin, hypnotising American voters with their subliminal messages in Kelloggs breakfast cereal.

    I know the old farts who make the narrative grew up in the Cold War, but this is ridiculous.

  55. Andrew

    “I will admit a degree of bewilderment that he Russians were more enthusiastic to have Trump as President that Illary.

    If they wanted to bully someone that frail gasping lump, for whom no point is so important that she might not surrender it for her singularity-like foundation.

    The Russians must actually need another leader for some strategic purpose. Something for which Illary’s inconstancy, ineptitude and venality would have been a liability.”

    It’s pretty simple: The Kenyan’s airstrikes are hitting Russian troops in Syria. The Kenyan-Rudd Axis of Evil formed the genius plan that they would enact Regime Change ™ in Syria. Assad has to go. So they funded and armed the “Syrian Opposition.” Either through malice or idiocy, they were unable to tell the different between the bearded, Quran-carrying moderates and the bearded, Quran-carrying ISIS and gave arms and new trucks to both. Then when Aleppo went pear-shaped as a result, they bombed “pro-Assad forces” regardless of whether Syrian or Russian.

    Russia was remarkably patient with that stupidity, but they are very very angry. Imagine the Chineeeeeeeze deliberately bombing and killing American soldiers on the South Korean side of the DMZ for an idea how annoyed Putin is.

    Based with that, Illary had to go. No doubt Russia stuck the boot in at the margin.

    Bit I find interesting is that the stuff hacked by the Russians that supposedly turned the election: It didn’t produce a uniform swing. Rather, it resonated ONLY in the 5 states that Trump666 campaigned in, which Illary ignored and sneered at. How odd that the effectiveness of the Russian psyops was PERFECTLY correlated with the amount of effort expended by T666 in campaigning.

  56. It didn’t produce a uniform swing. Rather, it resonated ONLY in the 5 states that Trump666 campaigned in, which Illary ignored and sneered at. How odd that the effectiveness of the Russian psyops was PERFECTLY correlated with the amount of effort expended by T666 in campaigning.

    That’s Kelloggs breakfast cereals for you.

    Amazing stuff. Absolutely irradiated with nanoscopic thought-control devices.

    Apparently if you wear a tinfoil hat, though, it interferes with the signal.

  57. harrys on the boat

    m0nty is too busy looking for rakes under his bed to comment Fisky.

  58. What I want to know is, why did the Russians place copies of the purloined emails onto Weiner’s hard drive? Was this part of a sub-plot to drive a wedge between Clinton and Huma?

    What I want to know is:

    Why do the Russians keep folding up my post and squashing it to get it into the letterbox, especially when I don’t want it squashed?

    Plus also why do they let their dogs do yellow patches on my lawn?

    Also, why do they keep tearing the bottom off my shopping lists when I leave them on the kitchen bench, so that I am not left with enough room to write the rest of the week’s groceries on the list?

    Answer me that, so-called Washington Post.

  59. memoryvault

    Also, why do they keep tearing the bottom off my shopping lists when I leave them on the kitchen bench,

    ————–
    That would be paphids, Philippa. They’re just like aphids, but consume paper rather leaves. They are especially fond of shopping lists. Like aphids, paphids can be discouraged with hot, soapy water. Unfortunately this renders the paper unsuitable for a shopping list.

  60. BorisG

    Russian press is bragging how they fixed the election.

    This is of course exaggerated but as someone said, if the leaks to wikileaks amounted to 1% of votes, this may have tipped the scale as margin in some swing states was pretty small.

    That Putin favoured someone who expressed an admiration for him is no brainer. It would have been strange if he did not use his apparatus to try to influence the result (all large countries do it). How effective this was, no one knows and no one will ever know.

    One of many, many factors.

  61. Tel

    Strange to see the US media working themselves up into a lather over Trump’s quasi long distance love affair with Putin.

    Yet they were silent on Hillary Clinton facilitating the ownership of around 20% of US Uranium reserves to the Russians.

    Hillary sells favours to anyone, that’s just good honest crony capitalism on a global scale. Everyone is OK with that these days.

  62. BorisG

    I think it is quite possible that Putin and Trump will clash at some stage, and Putin will find in Trump much tougher opponent than he expected.

  63. That would be paphids, Philippa. They’re just like aphids, but consume paper rather leaves. They are especially fond of shopping lists. Like aphids, paphids can be discouraged with hot, soapy water. Unfortunately this renders the paper unsuitable for a shopping list.

    False alarm.

    It turned out to be my sister doing that.

    But it could have been the Russians.

  64. memoryvault

    But it could have been the Russians.

    ———————-
    Of course. One of the favourite ploys of the Russians is to seed western countries with paphids, which then render shopping lists useless, thereby undermining the market economy.

    Currently the dastardly Russkies are working on a genetically modified paphid with an addiction to toilet paper. That way, when you get the sh1ts ‘cos your shopping list has been destroyed, you are in real trouble.

  65. thefrolickingmole

    “..It turned out to be my sister doing that.

    But it could have been the Russians…”

    Have you ever seen your sister at the same time youve seen Putin?
    Not saying you should be paranoid but he is an ex-KGB master of disguise you know..

  66. Indolent

    What seems to have escaped any comment, or even notice, is that, let’s assume for one moment that Russia was somehow involved, all that did was offset, to a MINISCULE extent the overwhelming, sickening, corrupt, incestuous behaviour of the MSM in barracking and actually campaigning for Hillary and covering up any and all of her crimes and misdemeanours. And, of course, it leaves no time to address the putrid substance of the Podesta emails.

    If this is a serious attempt at overturning the election, and I’m sure that in some quarters it is, the outcome could be dangerous, to say the least.

  67. memoryvault

    If this is a serious attempt at overturning the election

    ————————————–
    Personally, I’m not cracking the champers until after the Electoral College vote.
    At the moment, it’s all a bit too much like Wednesdays at the Mickey Mouse Club.

  68. Crossie

    I wondered how long it would take before CIA started leaking against Trump as they did against Bush. I must admit I didn’t expect them to come out with guns blazing, destroying any pretence on non-partisanship.

    Isn’t it wonderful how only now that Trump won the CIA are concerned about the hacking of the Democrats’ emails but they had nothing to say when millions of military and their own personnel’s records were swiped?

    The CIA is now in the process of destroying what little credibility they had, I guess they wanted to see if they could beat the FBI to the punch. Mike Pompeo will have an awful lot of cleaning up to do when he steps up as Trump’s CIA director, he should fire or retire the entire upper echelon.

  69. Crossie

    “If this is a serious attempt at overturning the election

    ————————————–
    Personally, I’m not cracking the champers until after the Electoral College vote.
    At the moment, it’s all a bit too much like Wednesdays at the Mickey Mouse Club.”

    *************

    Can you imagine the type of protests and outrage if electoral college voters pull a fast one. You think the post election special snowflakes’ protests were something but they would pale in comparison to the backlash at overturning the election.

    I think it’s a lot of hot air being whipped up by the media at one or two slimeball electors wanting their fifteen minutes of fame.

  70. Linden

    That is very funny, enjoyed that one LOL

  71. memoryvault

    I think it’s a lot of hot air being whipped up by the media at one or two slimeball electors wanting their fifteen minutes of fame.

    —————————
    Totally agree, Crossie. But I’ve been wrong about pretty much everything else in this election. Hence my reluctance to party until the fat lady sings.

  72. Driftforge

    You just have to try to demarcate your respective areas of influence, state what your interests are clearly, and try to avoid unnecessary clashes if possible.

    Which had been done, until the ‘International Community’ sponsored a coup in the Ukraine.

    My read of what has been happening in the US with the Cabinet picks etc: Serious people are being put in charge. Red state vs Blue state is about to get hot. State and CIA are in for it. The intelligence community – at least the upper bits – is trying to get shots in before power is formally transferred, because at that point they will be on the defensive.

    I have to wonder whether the US intel services are actually trying to normalise the notion of working with the Russians. The result of all this fuss is that half the country over there thinks that the Russian’s are ‘on their side’ and that parts of their own intelligence community are working against them.

  73. Tel

    Now the Russians have infiltrated Philippa’s sister.

    I figured that tall, blond muscular man with short spiky hair wasn’t fair dink… next time don’t trust a guy who gives his name as Ivan, no Igor, no wait Rodney, yeah Rodney.

  74. There is, of course, Obama with his ‘the 1980s Are Calling, They Want Their Foreign Policy Back’ which he said after Romney had stated that Russia was the largest geopolitical threat during the debates in 2012

    How quickly the Right have discarded Reagan down the forgettery.

  75. Philippa Martyr

    She’s not Russian anywhere.

    HAHAHAHAHA

    Boom-tish!

  76. .

    Stop trolling Fisk, Jesus.

    Harvard economists! Smash “democracy”! Anglo Saxons will not rule the world!

  77. .

    “m0nty
    #2233484, posted on December 12, 2016 at 8:25 pm
    There is, of course, Obama with his ‘the 1980s Are Calling, They Want Their Foreign Policy Back’ which he said after Romney had stated that Russia was the largest geopolitical threat during the debates in 2012

    How quickly the Right have discarded Reagan down the forgettery.”

    This makes very little sense, monty. Gorbachev ended up being pals with Reagan and Bush I.

  78. .

    “I wondered how long it would take before CIA started leaking against Trump as they did against Bush. ”

    American bastards uproot democracy in America!

  79. .

    “In Russia, democracy roots you!”

  80. Philippa Martyr

    Although the other night she watched a Netflix documentary about Putin’s hidden millions.

    Which is a more credible connection than anything the Post has come up with.

  81. egg_

    The 1980s Called and said Uncle Tom’s getting hoisted from the White House.

  82. Cradock's Choice

    And Anthony Weiner is actually a Russian plant for Trump. His Russiancode name is Энтони общественный пенис.

    🙂

  83. Philippa Martyr

    I can transliterate the last word just sitting here …

  84. Anne

    Энтони общественный пенис.

    —–

    Karlosonik Dangerovich.

  85. jupes

    Can you imagine the type of protests and outrage if electoral college voters pull a fast one.

    I imagine armed protests aka civil war.

    It will be very short. Trump supporters have most of the guns.

  86. Boambee John

    Perhaps short term memory loss is getting to me, but I seem to recall the D’rats earlier in the campaign saying that if Trump were elected, he would start a war with Russua.

    Now tbey are saying Russia helped him get elected, presumably so he can start his war //sarc!

  87. Boambee John

    Fisky atc1528

    Alleged purposes of NATO: To keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down.

  88. Andrew

    “How quickly the Right have discarded Reagan down the forgettery.”

    Sooooooo…
    – the Kenyan beclowns himself with stunning ignorance and arrogance
    – it blows up in his face WITHIN A YEAR
    – to overcompensate, the fool literally starts a WAR with Russia, bombing Russian troops
    – T666 ends war, conceding literally nothing; indeed he outsources massive costa TO Russia in return for…no, nothing.

    And m0ron sneers at…Reagan666.

  89. stackja

    Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 9 hours ago
    Just watched @NBCNightlyNews – So biased, inaccurate and bad, point after point. Just can’t get much worse, although @CNN is right up there!

  90. Crossie

    “The result of all this fuss is that half the country over there thinks that the Russian’s are ‘on their side’ and that parts of their own intelligence community are working against them.”

    ——–

    Can you blame them? Nobody actually denied the content of the hacked emails which were quite insulting to the average citizens, they were probably helpful in making up the minds of the undecideds.

  91. Someone press reset on Andrew, he’s on the fritz.

  92. Driftforge

    Can you blame them? Nobody actually denied the content of the hacked emails which were quite insulting to the average citizens, they were probably helpful in making up the minds of the undecideds.

    Not at all. It’s just interesting that the intel community is taking steps to further polarise the issue / reinforce the perspective. Either someone’s time preferences are getting very short for a strategic organisation, or someone is playing a deeper game here to benefit future operations with the Russian’s.

    Is the blog buttonless for a reason?

  93. memoryvault

    or someone is playing a deeper game here to benefit future operations with the Russian’s.

    ————–
    That is a reasonably intelligent possibility. If one looks at the current state of play across the global chessboard, the USA and Russia individually both have a lot more to gain from cooperation rather than confrontation.

  94. testpattern

    Keep going Steve, your goal of getting catallaxy listed by propornot as a Russian propaganda site surely cannot be far away now. I suggest for your next trick you could advise malcolm to forget all about mh17, drop the investigation, tell the victims it was all a hoax and let Putin escape justice. 90 something comments and not a mention of mh17. The Russian embassy will be delighted.

  95. Anne

    And Anthony Weiner is actually a Russian plant for Trump. His Russiancode name is Энтони общественный пенис.

    ———-

    Karlosnik Dangerovich.

  96. Driftforge

    If one looks at the current state of play across the global chessboard, the USA and Russia individually both have a lot more to gain from cooperation rather than confrontation.

    And if Trumps supporters believe that Russia is on their side (politically), it will make it a lot easier for them to transition away from the ‘Russia is the great enemy.’

    ‘tell the victims it was all a hoax and let Putin escape justice’

    U.S comes out and indicates that unreleased data agrees with the Russian assessment. Downing pinned on the Ukrainians and their enablers at State, CIA. State, CIA purged. Ukranians… well nothing is going to make Ukraine any worse now.

    See, not that hard to make this come out in everyone’s benefit. Families get their closure. Russia gets Eastern Ukraine. Poland get Lvov. Trump gets to purge State and the CIA. Ukraine goes back to being no-mans land, and everyone pitches in to help it recover over the next decade or so.

    MUGA.

  97. Mark A

    memoryvault
    If one looks at the current state of play across the global chessboard, the USA and Russia individually both have a lot more to gain from cooperation rather than confrontation.

    Astute obs. Russia needs no territory for the sake of increasing its size or for natural resources but there are a few strategic locations that are non negotiable as far as letting them go and they would also like to take a few miles here and there. Mainly it involves China and Japan.

    What they need is tech knowledge&hardware from the west, and markets for their products.
    I don’t find them harder to deal with as any other nationality, easier in fact in many cases.

    Disclaimer, I don’t do politics there or anywhere else, we are in heavy mining machinery and gas refinery stuff not in the business of politics.

  98. testpattern

    No no no (m)anne, good propaganda must be credible and yours is more post irony than prop, on par with the latest doing the rounds here in port irony capital of the pilbara, that red dog rose on the third day. Propping on his hindlegs in the tray of the landcruiser, he braced his paws against the cab and did a quick 360′ sweep of the whim creek pub carpark. Red dog hitched his sunnies into his collar, where they swung at a jaunty angle like ned Kelly’s neck and launched out of the tray into the red pilbara dust, sauntered over to the nearest wheel and pissed on the red dust caked tyre. It was red. Like the pilbara. And now it was wet too. It could have been so different. If only that remote area nurse hadn’t run off with a Ukrainian haulpack operator, he might be down south with her now, with a swimming pool and mortgage, instead of hitching rides like the littlest hobo…

    Richard Spencer’s Russian missus, Nina Byzantina. A good deal more interesting than her boring old nazi hubby. Enjoy the propaganda wars!
    https://mobile.twitter.com/NinaByzantina

  99. Oh come on

    You’re a little strange, oldsalt.

  100. BorisG

    “If one looks at the current state of play across the global chessboard, the USA and Russia individually both have a lot more to gain from cooperation rather than confrontation.”

    Yeh sure. I think as a nation Russia needs western technology etc. But that is my opinion of Russia’s interest, not Putin’s. Putin sees as top priorities restoration of Russian empire and superpower status on par with the US. And this is supported by a majority of the population. Russian nationalists see Americans as rivals and any friendly overtures are likely to be treated as hostile conspiracy or appeasement.

  101. OldOzzie

    FBI Disputes CIA’s “Fuzzy And Ambiguous” Claims That Russia Sought To Influence Presidential Election

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-12/fbi-disputes-cias-fuzzy-and-ambiguous-claims-russia-sought-influence-presidential-el

    The competing messages, according to officials in attendance, also reflect cultural differences between the FBI and the CIA. The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behaviour.

    “The FBI briefers think in terms of criminal standards — can we prove this in court,” one of the officials said. “The CIA briefers weigh the preponderance of intelligence and then make judgment calls to help policymakers make informed decisions. High confidence for them means ‘we’re pretty damn sure.’ It doesn’t mean they can prove it in court.”

    The FBI is not sold on the idea that Russia had a particular aim in its meddling. “There’s no question that [the Russians’] efforts went one way, but it’s not clear that they have a specific goal or mix of related goals,” said one U.S. official.

  102. OldOzzie

    Meanwhile, the Washington Post also points out that the whole disagreement likely comes down to “cultural” differences between the FBI and CIA. Apparently the FBI “wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something” while the CIA is “more comfortable drawing inferences.”

    Well, that certainly seems reasonable…who needs “facts and tangible evidence” when the CIA can just “draw inferences”…they’re supposedly really smart so we should probably just believe them.

  103. OldOzzie

    Obama mocked Romney over Russia, but now he blames Russia for Trump

    Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/opinion/article120314663.html#storylink=cpy

    Now that the 2016 election is long over and online hackers have had ample time to cover their e-tracks, a bold President Barack Obama has decisively ordered a “full review” of Russian and other interference in the United States electoral process.

    We should probably say alleged Russian interference since no one has offered any proof, just reasonable suspicions of who might benefit from the release of documents that Democrats wanted to keep hidden. The Trump campaign criticized the move.

    A government spokeswoman in Moscow claims numerous requests for evidence to back up the U.S. charges have gone unanswered.

    On Oct. 7 the office of James Clapper, Obama’s director of National Intelligence, released a statement: “The U.S. Intelligence Community is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from U.S. persons and institutions, including from U.S. political organizations.”

    Again, no evidence. Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, who was suggesting Russia and Donald Trump were in league to deny her rightful political inheritance, grasped the line. In fact, she often claimed that 17 U.S. intelligence agencies were certain it was the Russkies.

    Clinton’s convenient charge raises a serious question: Why in the world does one nation need 17 intelligence agencies? Seriously, especially since 9/11’s failures to connect the dots demonstrated those agencies’ instinctive bureaucratic preference for disaster over sharing intel.

    Now the Washington Post, which still can’t believe Trump won, reports that the CIA has concluded Russia was actively trying to help the billionaire win. Because, clearly, without communist subversions Americans would never elect him on their own.

    Maybe the Russians did do something. That’s not the issue.

    Besides complaining publicly, has the Obama administration done something, anything, besides whine about being victimized by hackers? Maybe take responsibility and tighten security?

    And why did alleged hacking only bother Obama after a Republican victory, not his own two?

    In 2012, Obama mocked Mitt Romney for suggesting Russia was our top geopolitical foe. Now it’s expedient for the Democrat and minions to ensure the focus is on Moscow as foe. After all this time and those breaches, and only in his final meaningless month, does Obama order a report (which will be largely secret) allegedly to explore the allegedly Russian threats.

    Because, see, that way the public discussion won’t be where it belongs: On how, after eight long years under Barack Obama, the cybersecurity of America’s government and even the president’s own political party remain so pathetically vulnerable?

    Again, no consequences.

  104. Yohan

    This is an internal fight between the FBI (who are pro Trump) and the CIA (who are pro Clinton). Trump and his team plan to roll back the entire CIA middle east strategy of the last few years.

    Justin Raimondo has a good article about it here
    http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/12/11/stop-cia-coup/

  105. CraftyNipper

    Interesting words from a speech of Vladimir Putin’s delivered in 2014. Except for Donald Trump doubt if we’d hear similar from a contemporary Western leader:

    “We need a national policy based on civic patriotism. Any person living in our country must not forget his faith and ethnic affiliation. But he must above all be a citizen of Russia and be proud of that. No one has the right to place distinctive ethnic and religious features above the laws of the state. But at the same time, the laws of the state themselves must take into account the distinctive and religious features.
    We are a multi-ethnic society but we are held together by a Russian core. Despite all their differences and distinctive features, the basic, common moral, ethical and spiritual values are based on Russian Orthodoxy, Islam, Buddhism and Judaism – compassion, mutual assistance, truth, justice, respect for elders, and the ideals of family and work. It is impossible to replace those moral guidelines with anything, and we need to strengthen them. “

  106. Malcolm

    You know kates has jumped the shark when he downplays the threat of the russians

  107. srr

    ‘A society that can’t defend its children has no tomorrow’: Putin condemns Europe’s handling of migrants and says the child rape in Austria shows ‘a dilution of national values’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3900748/A-society-t-defend-children-no-tomorrow-Putin-condemns-Europe-s-handling-migrants-says-child-rape-Austria-shows-dilution-national-values.html#ixzz4SemOLUnR
    _______________________________________

    When the EU and UN Owned nations care to put protecting their children Above protecting the Child sex slave Traders, they can bitch about Russians.

    That the EU and UN Owned nations bitched about Putin making it illegal for ‘The Alphabet people’ to push their “Safe Schools” evils on children (even Over The Rights of Parents to Protect Their Children from those Evil Fucking Predators as they have done here!), is explanation enough as to why the Commie EU and UN Owned nations took to so bitterly hating the Christianity Re-Embracing Russians.

  108. .

    “U.S comes out and indicates that unreleased data agrees with the Russian assessment. Downing pinned on the Ukrainians and their enablers at State, CIA. State, CIA purged. Ukranians… well nothing is going to make Ukraine any worse now.”

    Loopy stuff.

  109. The competing messages, according to officials in attendance, also reflect cultural differences between the FBI and the CIA. The bureau, true to its law enforcement roots, wants facts and tangible evidence to prove something beyond all reasonable doubt. The CIA is more comfortable drawing inferences from behaviour.

    Haaahahahaha! Hey you guys, I know it’s like ten days from the election and stuff, but the FBI is going to interrupt with important news about EMAILS which prove beyond reasonable doubt that EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS. Oh wait, there is nothing there, oopsie!

  110. .

    ???

    At best, Clinton was pretty dang incompetent and hanging around Weiner really tipped the scales in Trump’s favour.

  111. Wozzup

    “I would like to have Russia friendly as well. We are no longer in the middle of the cold war, and there is this business about ISIS.”

    But aren’t ISIS supposed to be our frenemies – if you follow the Obama doctrine? Of course he never put it quite this way, but given he was the one who armed them, then ignored them, then refused to bomb them, then told us we would have to get used to them killing us, there are few other ways of interpreting his consistent behaviour.

    No wonder Obama wants to investigate allegations of Russian hacking, they are fighting his mates in ISIS, which quite apart from any Trump and Clinton considerations, makes them his enemies. And this time it’s personal.

  112. John Constantine

    Their ABC are seeing reds under the bed.

  113. struth

    Please tell me where I am wrong.
    I’m sure I don’t have to ask as somebody will, but the way I see it is like this.

    Hillary employs as her closest aid a Saudi spy with known connections to Islamic terrorist groups, Huma.
    Huma has a free run at Hillary’s emails and even has them on the household lap top she shares with her perverted Husband.
    The CIA don’t give a shit until exactly the moment in the presidential campaign when they see a Trump win is likely.
    The head honcho of the CIA then shits himself, as no one in any government department, or any of the elites even had a plan in place to deal with it , due to smug arrogance, and releases some of the information they have on Hills, to save himself in a panic.
    Realising he isn’t safe finding anything against Hillary or the Clinton criminal foundation, things get hushed up and the media do their best to kill the story.
    It all really is too explosive for the stability of the country and it’s long term credibility which would also effect Trump’s bargaining power in the future.
    Trump has won, and for his and his country’s benefit, he sees that this should all be forgotten, and quick.
    CIA, being pro Hillary due to self interest above country, in it’s upper echelons , don’t bother to dispel the bullshit smears of a rabidly biased newspaper, who’s journalists are still trying to operate with exploded heads.
    They , insane with rage, print stories without one shred of evidence, while these stories actually reinforce , and remind us how incompetent and traitorous Hillary was, but that doesn’t matter, as it’s all about getting Trump.

    Russians are becoming increasingly Christian again, are nationalistic and believe in borders, are fighting Hillary and obummers Muslim terrorist friends, are a threat to the EU and are old school type commos, who the left have worked out aren’t going to bring about the global revolution as quick as they can destroying the joint from the inside.
    Socialists fight other socialists.
    This is nothing new.
    Hitler was a socialist, and hated communists .
    Just the same as muslim sunnis and shi ite etc.

    They are all totalitarian scum.
    I say that this is just noise from a dying Marxist Stream Media, and we are going to get plenty more of this insanity in the next few months and maybe even years.
    Media’s attacks on Bush will look like a love fest of adoration.

  114. Botswana O'Hooligan

    BorisG
    #2233369, posted on December 12, 2016 at 6:09 pm
    Russian press is bragging how they fixed the election.
    Bullshit, which press? We, or at least my favourite Russian for the past twenty five years watches the Ruski TV news every morning and she would have mentioned it. Sister in law was here on a visit and she didn’t know anything about it either. Everyone watches too many spy movies and although Ruskies are a bit different, and rightly so ’cause they remember Stalin all too well, I lived there for a long time and in fact would prefer to live in Russia rather than the USA. Mind you I never broke the law in either countries.

  115. srr

    struth
    #2233798, posted on December 13, 2016 at 8:59 am

    Please tell me where I am wrong.

    Way to (righteously), kill a thread, struth!

    ‘ On ya! 😉

  116. OneWorldGovernment

    from Rush Limbaugh

    Did Vladimir Putin Do All This?
    December 12, 2016
    BEGIN TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: I want to ask some questions about Vladimir Putin and his competence, because the Democrats and the Drive-Bys are claiming that Putin involved himself in our election illegally. He interceded and his desire was for Trump to win. He wanted Trump and he wanted Hillary to lose. So I have some questions about some things from the WikiLeaks dump about Democrat meddling, Robert Creamer previously explained hiring — at $1500 per person — people to disrupt Trump rallies and cause violence.

    Donna Brazile was giving the questions to Hillary in a series of debates. But I have questions about this. Did Vladimir Putin secretly persuade Hillary Clinton to take off most of August? Did Vladimir Putin tell Hillary, “You don’t need to go to Wisconsin! You got it in the bag. You don’t need to go to these Blue Wall states. You own them, Hillary! Don’t waste your time. In fact, Hillary, you don’t even need to campaign. Just sit there and recuperate. You don’t need to even leave your house, Hillary.”

    Did Vladimir Putin drug Hillary Clinton causing her to collapse into a van and have a seizure on 9/11? Did Putin secretly tell Trump where to go and do his campaign right in the middle of the urban core? Did Putin tell Trump to make a pitch for votes based on an economic message of jobs, jobs, jobs, and Make America Great Again? Did Putin do all that? Did Putin come up with Trump’s campaign slogan? Did Putin secretly cut a deal with that babe on Saturday Night Live to portray Hillary Clinton to Millennials as an unlikable, power-hungry, humorless, robot politician?

    Did Putin tell Trump, “Go out there and spend all kinds of money and hold all these rallies! You do all these rallies and just get thousands of people showing up at these rallies. You just keep shouting ‘Make America Great Again! Make America Safe Again!'” Did Putin secretly fund Robert Creamer? Did he make Obama meet with Creamer and Black Lives Matter all those times in the White House? Did Putin run out there and tell Democrat Party to base their election on transgender bathrooms and gay marriage and Black Lives Matter and the cops deserve to be shot and all the other things the Democrat Party stood for?

    Did Putin do that?

    Was Putin responsible for the campaign strategy of the Democrat Party? Was Vladimir Putin responsible for Donald Trump’s campaign strategy? Did Putin secretly influence this election so Donald Trump would put a bunch of warrior generals in positions of high responsibility in the U.S. military? You’re telling me that Vladimir Putin wants a bunch of George Patton-type people in our cabinet? You’re telling me that’s what Vladimir Putin wanted and he cheated this election so that that’s what Trump would do?

    Versus a woman who would continue the disarmament policies of her predecessor, Barack Hussein Obama, who thinks that the nuclear arsenal of the United States poses the greatest threat to freedom in the world and so we had to downsize? You think Putin wants a Trump and all these great military guys, or would he have preferred to have Hillary who was going to disarm the United States anyway? This Putin? I tell you, folks, he’s one sneaky, ingenious SOB the way he pulled all this off! He had to be a brilliant guy for the Clinton campaign to be so special kind of stupid the way they lost this election.

    BREAK TRANSCRIPT

    RUSH: Did Vladimir Putin tell Hillary Clinton to pile up all those votes in California and New York instead of focusing on electoral battleground states? When did Vladimir Putin tell Hillary Clinton to call half the country deplorables? Man, oh, man, oh, man. What power Putin has!

    END TRANSCRIPT

  117. Slayer of Memes

    Don’t forget how Putin encouraged Donna Brazile to leak the debate questions to Hillary, and how he persuaded Hillary to accept that leak…

  118. Pat Warnock

    Well, even if there a modicum of truth in this, it will be the first time the Russians and millions of American voters have agreed on anything.

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