Cross Post: Warren Mundine telling it how it is

Donald Trump’s victory demonstrates the media and commentariat are disconnected from voters. Almost without exception they failed to anticipate the presidential election outcome — and had little influence on it. Their message that Trump was unfit for presidency largely ignored.

Australia’s political media and commentariat are also out of touch. Listening to them you’d think Australians are preoccupied with gay marriage, offshore detention, carbon emissions and identity politics. Most are preoccupied with their families, their homes, their jobs, the monthly bills and their kids’ education and job prospects.

They care about the economy and national debt. They want to live in a safe society where Australia’s way of life is valued and respected.

There’s a growing disconnect between the views expressed by the media and commentariat and those of many Australians, with commonsense often dismissed as extreme, ill-informed, even bigoted. Here are some examples.

Our biggest education challenge is performance declining against global benchmarks. Demanding more education funding as the solution is misconceived. It’s been happening despite substantial education funding increases. Something’s wrong. Australian schools should be the best in the world, not 28th behind Kazakhstan.

Meanwhile, the education issue dominating political news has been the Safe Schools controversy. It’s understandable why parents are concerned. Some content in Safe Schools and other school programs, frankly, beggars belief.

Teachers shouldn’t be schooling children in gender fluidity or asking them to imagine or role-play different sexual orientations, or teaching them about exotic sex acts, or criticising “heteronormativity”.

Governments should shut this nonsense down and focus on improving academic performance.

That’s not homophobic. It’s commonsense.

The world has more than 60 million refugees, around three times Australia’s population, with many others desperate to move to Western nations for economic opportunity.

Allowing people to stay in Australia if they make it to our shores Hunger-Games style (or acquiescing when they do) is cruel and irresponsible.

During the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd era more than 1000 people drowned and detainee numbers skyrocketed from less than 500 to more than 10,000.

Refusing to settle asylum seekers in Australia who arrive by boat is tough and unrelenting but it saves lives.

Nations must uphold their borders to maintain their sovereignty, potentially their survival. My ancestors learned this the hard way. Border security isn’t racist or an embarrassment. It’s commonsense.

Australians have a strong record of embracing immigrants in their communities and in their families, and most immigrants embrace Australia and our way of life.

But at the moment Australians are seeing something we’ve rarely seen before.

A small minority of Muslim migrants and/or their descendants reject our way of life and instead want us to embrace aspects of theirs which go against our laws, customs and culture — women covering their faces, refusing to stand in court, Sharia law regulating divorces, polygamy and even forced child “marriages”.

A smaller minority support terrorist causes and are plotting to kill us. That’s not acceptable to most Australians, including most Arab and Muslim Australians. Yes, it’s only a tiny minority but their attitudes and actions are divisive and dangerous and must be acknowledged and confronted.

Every Australian should treat others with decency, follow our laws and institutions. This isn’t racist or Islamophobic. It’s commonsense.

People of all societies through the ages were expected to contribute. Families and charities supported those who couldn’t. Modern Western governments introduced welfare to help people on hard times get back on their feet, not provide an optional life pathway. Governments shouldn’t pay people who refuse to work. If there are jobs picking fruit, selling hamburgers, labouring or cleaning, unemployed people should do them or lose benefits.

I hope the federal government’s welfare reform plans go beyond tough talk and become tough action. Making people take available work isn’t cruel. Sit-down money is cruel. Welfare reform is commonsense.

Politicians who articulate these kinds of opinions are often branded heartless and bigoted by the progressive/Left, cheered on by prominent members of the political media and commentariat.

It’s rare to hear centrist politicians speak as bluntly as I just have. Centrist Labor tends to pander to the progressive/Left. Centrist Liberals tiptoe. In doing so they leave a vacuum for extremists and populists.

Trump, Brexit and One Nation’s resurgence deliver two key lessons.

First, politicians who speak directly to voters about what voters care about can prevail, regardless of the media and commentariat.

Second, if centrists are unwilling or afraid to embrace commonsense views, voters will turn to extremists and populists, however offensive.

The first centrist politician who embraces commonsense with plain-speaking, ignoring the political class and dealing honestly and firmly with issues Australians care about, will dominate the ballot box.

Warren Mundine is chair of the Prime Minister’s indigenous Advisory Council and a former ALP national president. First published in the Daily Telegraph.

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84 Responses to Cross Post: Warren Mundine telling it how it is

  1. A Lurker

    Well said, his common sense is like a breath of fresh air. However, he did leave out one important demographic – failed or failing indigenous communities. Warren Mundine needs to apply the same common sense comments to his own people too.

  2. Nerblnob

    He did use the phrase “sit down money”.

  3. Tony

    A Lurker
    He does – this is written for all Australians.

  4. Cactus

    Reading all this and wondering if i can critique anything. Lost for words cant even nit pick. *applause*

    Honestly? Anything wrong with the above?

  5. Frank Carter

    The author would have been called an “Uncle Tom” in another era and another country. Rightly so.

    [Just can’t help yourself can you? Sinc]

  6. marcus w

    Wow … My subconscious biases have been imploded . Thank you Warren . Could you please be our Trump? if only to watch the MICA out the front of the Northcote (lkeftie luvvie heartland) polling booth being run off it’s feet as the SJW’s are torn between your common sense right wing views and your heritage when they vote … Gold

  7. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    The author would have been called an “Uncle Tom” in another era and another country. Rightly so.

    No. The author just needs to be called a decent Australian.

    Which he is. Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes to all of his points.
    Very good straight talking.

  8. John64

    Well done, Warren.

    The truth, spoken eloquently and straightforwardly without a wasted word.

  9. herodotus

    Good on you Warren. An Australian who stands up and tells it like it is. He is not alone, but unfortunately our media institutions have been more than “marched through”, they have been in large part annexed by the left.

  10. Clam Chowdah

    The author would have been called an “Uncle Tom” in another era and another country. Rightly so.

    Well that’s pretty fucking racist of you.

  11. mizaris

    A real breath of fresh air – well said Mr Mundine.

    Now awaiting the predictable gasps of despair from the self righteous, virtue signalling, holier than thous. How do they contradict him without showing themselves for what they really are?

    Still loving the winning.

  12. a reader

    This. Warren Mundine, like Mark Latham, is an example of a ‘reverse Blair’s law.’

  13. candy

    I don’t remember Warren Mundine ever standing up for Tony Abbott who espouses many of the values he goes on about in this article.

    Never actually. In fact, when TA talked about civilisation of Australia and where we are now thanks to the efforts of our white descendents, he demeaned TA as being racist against the indigenous as being “misguided” or even “stupid” he may have said.

    So, no, I think W. Mundine goes with the flow and his article is meaningless. He is all talk.

  14. .

    If Frank Carter ain’t Tillman I’ll eat my hat.

  15. calli

    Frank Carter
    #2236136, posted on December 15, 2016 at 7:45 pm
    The author would have been called an “Uncle Tom” in another era and another country. Rightly so.

    In other words, YOU call him an “Uncle Tom”.

    Why not be brave and just say it outright.

  16. candy

    In fact, W. Mundine is practically useless as an indigenous leader, almost as much as Noel Pearson, who is also in love with himself and writes flowery stupid articles and do nothing to help the situation of their abused children and women.

    In fact, with the highest rate of children born with fetal alcohol syndrome in the world. Mundine and Pearson ignore this totally.

  17. I don’t remember Warren Mundine ever standing up for Tony Abbott who espouses many of the values he goes on about in this article.

    You recollect wrong.

  18. .

    Don’t worry candy, your crocodile tears say more than real evidence ever would.

  19. marcus w

    Sorry Candy I disagree. Whilst it all may be “talk” I agree with Jhon64 “not a wasted word” and I feel that is worth a doff off my lid . I love our less words is more ethos and as a racist I even acknowledge our indigenous in their contribution to our verbal brevity (obviously I talk to much so sorry about the hypocrisy)

  20. candy

    He does nothing, Salvatore. He is a useless indigenous leader who wants media attention, living the good life at the same time as his people suffer.

  21. marcus w

    sorry “doff of”my lid

  22. He is a useless indigenous leader who wants media attention, living the good life at the same time as his people suffer.

    Translation, from the Candy, to the English:
    “Warren Mundine speaks common sense, is no pussy, and has the best interests of his people at heart.”

  23. candy

    Don’t worry candy, your crocodile tears say more than real evidence ever would.

    Dot, you may scoff at FAS affecting 1 in 8 babies and and ruining their young lives from the get-go, and beaten women, but others see it differently. It is the ruin of them.
    Warren Mundine’s words are tripe.

  24. .

    Yeah sure candy. Warren Mundine and myself are infecting the kids and beating the women.

    Fuckhead.

  25. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Candy, give him a fair go.

    The problems in aboriginal communities can be addressed better if more Australians move away from political correctness and get back to the Australian values Mundine wants to promote. FAS is a dreadful thing for any caring woman to see and I guess it has clouded your judgement about Mundine; he is doing his bit by speaking out very strongly right now about the root of the problem, which is our inability to act on abused aboriginal women and children, given the pervasive leftiness of the general environment. And let us not forget other women and children everywhere who live in abusive and chaotic situations and men trying to cope in declining and decaying communities. Political correctness and its economic madness is making their lives a misery too.

  26. Chopper

    Yay! now which centrist politicians are going to speak up.

  27. rickw

    Well said Warren!

    Why can I hear crickets instead of cries of support from other Politicians?, because our Politicial Class need flushing down the toilet, virtually to a man, they are a disgrace.

  28. Fisky

    The first centrist politician who embraces commonsense with plain-speaking, ignoring the political class and dealing honestly and firmly with issues Australians care about, will dominate the ballot box.

    No centrist politician is going to do that. They’re cucks.

  29. Helen

    True story. A pollie was gravely concerned with FA in the NT to the point of suggesting making it a criminal act for women to drink during pregnancy.

    Totally missed the fact the Alice Springs hospital has performed full term abortions – in other words, ok to kill the kid, but not for it to be born with FA.

  30. Helen

    If all W Mundine does is write articles that get people thinking and talking, good on him. It is much more than many others of Aboriginal blood permit us to do.

  31. marcus w

    If all W Mundine does is write articles that get people thinking and talking, good on him. It is much more than many others of Aboriginal blood permit us to do.

    hear hear.

  32. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    And let us not forget other women and children everywhere who live in abusive and chaotic situations and men trying to cope in declining and decaying communities. Political correctness and its economic madness is making their lives a misery too.

    “Nugget” Coombes should have been condemned to die, alone, of disease in one of the Third World shytholes he was responsible for setting up.

  33. Rossini

    Is he applying for a position with PHON?

  34. Hydra

    Make this man chair of the HRC.

  35. RobK

    Well said and thank you Warren Mundine.

  36. Oh come on

    Nations must uphold their borders to maintain their sovereignty, potentially their survival. My ancestors learned this the hard way. Border security isn’t racist or an embarrassment. It’s commonsense.

    If you thought you heard fireworks tonight, it was actually thousands of leftist head explosions after reading this.

    Pop pop poppity pop.

  37. struth

    Second, if centrists are unwilling or afraid to embrace commonsense views, voters will turn to extremists and populists, however offensive.

    I agree with all you say except for this way of thinking, as it just might be more correct to think of it another way , which I’ll do by fixing this quote.
    If centrists are unwilling or afraid to embrace common sense views, the voters will rightly see them as extremists and populists, and therefore offensive.
    Warren, if you don’t see our PM as a populist, most voters do.
    He is a populist who is disconnected from the voters and seeks his popularity from the media (the left)
    Anyone that is trying to open our borders is an extremist.
    Please understand that difference.
    Pauline Hanson, A L A and other minor right wing groups doing well are arguably less extreme than the extremists and traitors we have in power now.
    You can’t get much more extreme than wanting to tear the country down by opening borders, kill it’s wealth by closing down it’s cheap available energy and spend like drunken sailors and leave the interest bill to our children.
    We are run by Disconnected extremists and populists now.

  38. Stimpson J. Cat

    Let’s be honest Warren.
    You don’t need to convince me there is a problem and to change my pattern of behavior.
    You need to convince indigenous people.
    Who have the problem.
    And the pattern of behavior.
    You know, by advising them.
    As an advisor.
    Which you are.
    Good luck and you have my support.

  39. wreckage

    Pearson has done a heap of work to assist and repair Aboriginal communities. It’s pretty much his full time job now. Candy is out of her tiny mind.

  40. wreckage

    Nations must uphold their borders to maintain their sovereignty, potentially their survival. My ancestors learned this the hard way.

    It appears Aboriginality, of any given continent, is radicalizing.

  41. struth

    Warren, like many of his colleagues, are going through a learning process, as have many on this blog.
    Heavily indoctrinated by the left in their youth, it takes a while to see who your real enemy is.

    I would encourage these types of analysis and I don’t mean to sound condescending, it’s just the plain fact that we are on the side that can fix the aboriginal welfare disaster.
    Many white men never have the intelligence to change their minds (monty , numbers) yet more and more aboriginal people are starting to call bullshit.
    And it’s about time.
    The forces against them are massive, and vicious, and Mundine will be getting slammed by every tax payer funded parasite in the aboriginal “industry”.
    Good one you Warren.

  42. Eddystone

    Sit-down money is cruel

    I agree with this. Welfare is toxic, especially when it is given as an entitlement.

    Nations must uphold their borders to maintain their sovereignty, potentially their survival. My ancestors learned this the hard way.

    Everyone’s ancestors learned this the hard way, Warren.

  43. BorisG

    He is a useless indigenous leader

    why when someone is an Aborigine, he has to be an indigenous leader? Can’t he be judged as any other Australian?

  44. BorisG

    I would encourage these types of analysis and I don’t mean to sound condescending, it’s just the plain fact that we are on the side that can fix the aboriginal welfare disaster.
    Many white men never have the intelligence to change their minds (monty , numbers) yet more and more aboriginal people are starting to call bullshit.

    It is easy to see what’s wrong and counter-productive with the current leftist approach but to say that we know how to fix it is a bit of a stretch.

  45. Cold-Hands

    A powerful and cogent argument. This essay should be taught in Schools.

  46. struth

    It’s not that hard borisG, although it’s a bit in depth for this part of the night.
    The aboriginal people live under corrupt apartheid socialism out on communities.
    Welfare and despair.
    They are controlled by corrupt councils who allow no independent economic business, and the cultural Marxism they are exposed to, plus the welfare is a disaster.
    I’m sure I am not telling you anything.
    A lot of us know this.
    That is leftism.
    If we were true to our core beliefs….
    We get rid of the aboriginal family mafias that run councils, introduce private land ownership, and allow those aboriginals, and there are a few, that could and want to, start businesses, as a few I have dealt with in Arnhem land have, totally bypassing the Northern Land council who are trying their best to shut them down, plus a number of other initiatives that it’s really too late to go into.
    Anyway, of course it won’t be smooth sailing but I actually think it wouldn’t take that long, maybe five years, maybe ten, due to the devastation and drugs and alcohol.
    The other side of politics will just give them more welfare, more apartheid with some sort of treaty and create hundreds more white public servants on the teat.
    We are on the only side of politics that could fix it, but we don’t have a party, basically.

  47. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    We get rid of the aboriginal family mafias that run councils

    We get rid of the “big men”?

  48. struth

    Too much of a subject for this time of night.

  49. BorisG

    I am actually amazed that this has been published and even more that it came from the former chairman of ALP (if I am not mistaken).

    It kind of proofs that it can happen. That some do not live in the echo chamber.

    I thought it was Bernardi or some such…

  50. BorisG

    actually struth I agree with you. Just think it will still be extremely challenging and may not succeed at all.

  51. Bruce of Newcastle

    A small minority of Muslim migrants and/or their descendants reject our way of life and instead want us to embrace aspects of theirs which go against our laws, customs and culture

    Interesting example of this in London yesterday:

    VIDEO 1000 Muslims block London streets chanting Allahu Akbar to demand Islamic caliphate

    A poet invited to talk shouted: “We need a Caliph who will clean up these streets. Who will smack up armies and who will back beef [fighting].

    “Backhand your missiles back to your land, that’s the plan.

    “World domination at hand. We can expand and take out these fools.”

    The crowd largely segregated into men and women with many of the women wearing Islamic clothing.

    According to website Breitbart one protester appeared to be waving a Taliban flag, while others were handed placards made by Hizb ut-Tahrir Britain, which calls for the reestablishment of a caliphate.

    Certainly seems that there’s a “revival” going on in the muslim street which is getting more strident. Hizb ut-Tahrir is quite active here too, of course.

  52. Combine Dave

    In fact, W. Mundine is practically useless as an indigenous leader, almost as much as Noel Pearson, who is also in love with himself and writes flowery stupid articles

    Thank Buddha that they do (even weather vane Pearson).

    Thanks to sc18 it’s illegal to comment on the ills impacting on our indegnious communities. – Look at what happened to Leak (yes he eventually got off but the process is the punishment).

  53. Combine Dave

    True story. A pollie was gravely concerned with FA in the NT to the point of suggesting making it a criminal act for women to drink during pregnancy.

    Totally missed the fact the Alice Springs hospital has performed full term abortions – in other words, ok to kill the kid, but not for it to be born with FA.

    Will you adopt their FA afflicted babies if they were forced to carry them to term or should the state establish an orphanage to cater for their care? – How many beds should be allocated?

    Whatever the Aboriginal people need now
    , currently suffering under paternalistic leftism, forcing them to endure more FA afflicted babies due to paternalistic Christianity doesn’t seem to be it!

  54. Gerry

    One of the best things about Trump is that he is not a politician – he comes without political baggage and without preconceived notions about how things are done in Washington – he is used to being in a world where results are more important than perception.

    People want results not perceptions !

  55. Tom

    …if centrists are unwilling or afraid to embrace commonsense views, voters will turn to extremists and populists, however offensive.

    Great oped, Warren, but it always makes me laugh when people rail against “populism” — i.e. stuff that’s popular. We wouldn’t want politicians espousing stuff that’s popular, would we? I mean, anything could happen. Democracy could break out.

    Well that’s pretty fucking racist of you.

    Of course it is. The left are the most racist scum on earth and it’s a cliché because it’s true: everything the left accuse their enemies of is exactly what the left is doing to their enemies. EVERYTIME. Test it and you’ll see.

  56. Teachers shouldn’t be schooling children in gender fluidity or asking them to imagine or role-play different sexual orientations, or teaching them about exotic sex acts, or criticising “heteronormativity”.

    Hard to depopulate when people still insist on bonking the opposite sex.

  57. The Countess

    Is it possible to feed, clothe, educate reliably, and house a family of four on a fruit picking job?

  58. Candy

    Boris. Warren Mundine is the head of the Indigenous Advisory Council so I would say he is an indigenous leader and being paid a pretty penny to “advise”.

    So why don’t we see in say 3 years’ time to see if there is any change . I’ll guessing no, but.

  59. alexnoaholdmate

    Candy isn’t disagreeing with Mundine, guys. In fact, she probably agrees with every word he says.

    What she’s pointing out is that all these fine words are a bit rich coming from him, a man who has been perfectly happy to take sit-down money in the past, and who supported exactly the same kind of welfarism towards his people when it was Labor Party policy – that is, of the party of which he was Federal President, no less.

    Frankly, from my own experience of his ilk, Candy is perfectly correct to question his sincerity, even if what he is actually saying is all true and laudable.

  60. Biota

    A fine read. But a lot of shoot the messenger going on in comments. It’s not who says it but what is said that’s important and up for discussion. I suspect those trying to pull Mundine down are a bit irritated by what he says.

  61. Bribiejohn

    Warren sounds like P.M. material!

  62. Delta

    A small minority of Muslim migrants and/or their descendants reject our way of life and instead want us to embrace aspects of theirs which go against our laws, customs and culture — women covering their faces, refusing to stand in court, Sharia law regulating divorces, polygamy and even forced child “marriages”.

    How does he know that is a small minority? It seems to me that most Muslims support these practices and about all that can be said is that they are not necessarily vocal in their support. And that position changes when they have greater numbers as in Europe.

    A smaller minority support terrorist causes and are plotting to kill us. That’s not acceptable to most Australians, including most Arab and Muslim Australians. Yes, it’s only a tiny minority but their attitudes and actions are divisive and dangerous and must be acknowledged and confronted.

    So now it’s a smaller minority! How does he know that? Is it a small minority because the success rate of Muslim terrorism in the West has not been too good (for the terrorists). But what about the material that is taught to Muslims from a very young age? It’s all in the Koran and a terrorist Muslim is merely following his Koranic teachings.

    Every Australian should treat others with decency, follow our laws and institutions. A laudable sentiment, but what to do about Islamic teachings?

  63. Smufti

    Donald Trump’s victory demonstrates the media and commentariat are disconnected from voters.
    Donald Trump’s victory demonstrates that the USA is not a democracy. More Americans voted for his rival, and only 27% of the eligible voting population cared enough to cast a vote for him.
    Most are preoccupied with their families, their homes, their jobs, the monthly bills and their kids’ education and job prospects.
    Absolutely. With an orchestrated consistent and unrelenting attack on the union movement, well qualified young Australians can’t find work, or if they can, it is casual, short term, and exploitative. Vulnerable young people (foreign students) are being ripped off by corporate controlled franchise holders, and as each new scam is uncovered, a new one is developed.
    They care about the economy and national debt. They want to live in a safe society where Australia’s way of life is valued and respected.
    Absolutely, but Australia has one of the best debt/GDP ratios in the western world, and the current government can’t decide whether we have a budget crisis or everything is hunky dory. They believe that the best way to solve the debt crisis is to allow corporations tax breaks so that their foreign shareholder dividends improve.
    There’s a growing disconnect between the views expressed by the media and commentariat and those of many Australians, with commonsense often dismissed as extreme, ill-informed, even bigoted. Here are some examples.
    Yes – here are some examples. Most Australians value the notion of a “fair go”, yet we continue to imprison thousands of asylum seekers in offshore gulags to “send a message”. Unfortunately, the message we’re sending is that we are content with totalitarian government. We’re slugging backpackers with a tax (finally) after dithering just long enough to put our tourism and horticultural sector at risk.
    Our biggest education challenge is performance declining against global benchmarks. Demanding more education funding as the solution is misconceived. It’s been happening despite substantial education funding increases. Something’s wrong. Australian schools should be the best in the world, not 28th behind Kazakhstan.
    Our standards are dropping relative to international benchmarks because we have allowed politics and ideology to corrupt our education system. The worldwide systems where education is left to the teaching profession (Finland, South Korea and Singapore) are the most successful worldwide. These countries have all abandoned system wide testing.
    Meanwhile, the education issue dominating political news has been the Safe Schools controversy. It’s understandable why parents are concerned. Some content in Safe Schools and other school programs, frankly, beggars belief.
    The average parent has never heard of “safe schools”. The issue is a massive beat up, engineered by the same political interferers referred to above.
    Teachers shouldn’t be schooling children in gender fluidity or asking them to imagine or role-play different sexual orientations, or teaching them about exotic sex acts, or criticising “heteronormativity”.
    Because of the amount of paperwork the average teacher has to complete, he/she lacks the time to get involved with these issues. They are referred to the school counsellor (if one exists).
    The world has more than 60 million refugees, around three times Australia’s population, with many others desperate to move to Western nations for economic opportunity.
    Correct. And we can make the world go away by ignoring the problem? That’s not a feature of our value set and our history.
    Allowing people to stay in Australia if they make it to our shores Hunger-Games style (or acquiescing when they do) is cruel and irresponsible.
    So locking them up in open-ended detention in Pacific gulags isn’t?
    Refusing to settle asylum seekers in Australia who arrive by boat is tough and unrelenting but it saves lives.
    Which lives? Don’t the millions in refugee settlements in Jordan, Turkey and Lebanon count?
    Nations must uphold their borders to maintain their sovereignty, potentially their survival. My ancestors learned this the hard way. Border security isn’t racist or an embarrassment. It’s commonsense.
    Now hang about. Isn’t the use of the term “Nation” politically incorrect on this site when referring to our indigenous brothers. It might even begin to suggest that the notion of a treaty has some merit.
    Australians have a strong record of embracing immigrants in their communities and in their families, and most immigrants embrace Australia and our way of life.
    You’re a killer for news Warren, old mate. Don’t stop reading our history, you might learn something.
    A small minority of Muslim migrants and/or their descendants reject our way of life and instead want us to embrace aspects of theirs which go against our laws, customs and culture — women covering their faces, refusing to stand in court, Sharia law regulating divorces, polygamy and even forced child “marriages”.
    Sounds a bit like Catholics. I was taught by Catholic women who wore veils, covered most of their bodies, and refused to marry. They were called “nuns” as I recollect. They were also a minority, but they were praised rather than vilified.
    A smaller minority support terrorist causes and are plotting to kill us. That’s not acceptable to most Australians, including most Arab and Muslim Australians. Yes, it’s only a tiny minority but their attitudes and actions are divisive and dangerous and must be acknowledged and confronted.
    Same with militant Catholics. They were known as the IRA. Somehow we survived, and there wasn’t an ongoing propaganda campaign unleashed against them in this country.
    Every Australian should treat others with decency, follow our laws and institutions. This isn’t racist or Islamophobic. It’s commonsense.
    Couldn’t agree more. That’s why PHON is such a threat. It rejects this notion, and advocates the banning of specific religions, and the monitoring of places of worship.
    People of all societies through the ages were expected to contribute. Families and charities supported those who couldn’t. Modern Western governments introduced welfare to help people on hard times get back on their feet, not provide an optional life pathway. Governments shouldn’t pay people who refuse to work. If there are jobs picking fruit, selling hamburgers, labouring or cleaning, unemployed people should do them or lose benefits.
    Trouble is, old mate, these jobs are essentially slave labour, given that most of the workforce is not unionised, the work is casual, and the gap between rich and poor is increasing. Tried paying off a mortgage whilst in seasonal employment, Warren? How many homes do you own, by the way?
    I hope the federal government’s welfare reform plans go beyond tough talk and become tough action. Making people take available work isn’t cruel. Sit-down money is cruel. Welfare reform is commonsense.
    The kicker is “available”. Try it, Warren. Try living off the dole for a week or two.
    Politicians who articulate these kinds of opinions are often branded heartless and bigoted by the progressive/Left, cheered on by prominent members of the political media and commentariat.
    If they were sincere, they’d take a cut in their generous parliamentary allowances, and refuse a pension on retirement. Are you volunteering, Warren?
    It’s rare to hear centrist politicians speak as bluntly as I just have. Centrist Labor tends to pander to the progressive/Left. Centrist Liberals tiptoe. In doing so they leave a vacuum for extremists and populists.
    Sounds like Warren thinks the alt-right is the middle. Time he went to Specsavers.
    Trump, Brexit and One Nation’s resurgence deliver two key lessons.
    First, politicians who speak directly to voters about what voters care about can prevail, regardless of the media and commentariat.

    Except that Trump actually did not “prevail”. He got fewer votes than Clinton, and 27% only of eligible voters turned out for him. Kind of knocks a hole in your theory.
    Second, if centrists are unwilling or afraid to embrace commonsense views, voters will turn to extremists and populists, however offensive.
    I doubt you’d recognise a Centrist if one bit you on the backside, Warren. You’ve been courted by the extremist Right. They do pay well – $213000 pa and $530 daily allowance in your particular sinecure.

  64. Muddy

    Strangely, I find myself almost agreeing with Candy on this. If indigenous leaders had been any good in the past, the situation could be vastly different to what it is now. They’ve let their people down badly. In a broader sense, I’ll hang back and observe before kissing his feet.
    I think that the whole ‘centrist’ ‘populist’ ‘extremist’ labelling has lost all meaning, and in regards to welfare, it isn’t ‘Government’ money, it’s taxpayers’ money.

  65. struth

    Smufti, every left wing argument there has been totally and utterly destroyed already on this site.

    You are two weeks behind in real time and theoretically lost in last century.

  66. Mother Lode

    Quite a long comment there, smufti.

    I think I will print it.

    And sell copies of it to insomniac vegans who are opposed to counting sheep.

  67. Smufti

    Smufti, every left wing argument there has been totally and utterly destroyed already on this site.

    You are two weeks behind in real time and theoretically lost in last century.

    Not really. In fact, the only “response” is name calling and abuse.
    And the terms Left/Right lost all relevance decades ago. You are two decades behind in real time and lost in a limbo of lunacy.
    As pointed out earlier this blog is a virtual asylum inhabited by those who seem to have an unholy obsession with numbers (although the term “grigory” is also a trigger), are prone to irrational angry outbursts, and who have no idea of the accepted courtesies when it comes to political discussion.

    It’s is a safe space for the disconnected, the unloved, and the desperately lonely with time on their hands.
    Sad really, it could amount to something.

  68. marg of nambour

    And to think that PM Gillard passed over Mundine as a candidate for the Senate.
    He would (to the extent that any Labor Parliamentarian could), have been a common-sense, straight-talking, unifying presence in the Parliament.

  69. struth

    Not really. In fact, the only “response” is name calling and abuse.

    Firstly where is the name calling and abuse about my factual reply to you?
    There is no name calling ,but if I’m going to be branded………..
    Although you are a complete fuckwit, I didn’t call you that in my reply.

    And then read your next paragraph.

    Hypocrisy is a leftist.
    Left and right have only lost meaning to those leftist who try to deny their socialism and their socialists, like Hitler.
    We will group you arseholes as we find you, and describe you how we see fit.
    Please do not come on here putting everybody in your little named boxes and then like the left wing hypocrite you are, complain about the box we stick you in.
    It’s better than the box I’d like to stick you in……….

  70. Smufti

    It’s better than the box I’d like to stick you in……….

    To what specific chapter of ISIS do you belong?
    There’s a Federal law about on-line threats.
    The count is “using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence.”
    It’s a Commonwealth offence and is contained in section 474.17 the Criminal Code Act 1995.
    Whilst these people don’t stuff around, it’s hardly worth the effort.
    This behaviour is simply an expression of cowardice.
    It’s mildly amusing.

  71. Oh come on

    Donald Trump’s victory demonstrates that the USA is not a democracy. More Americans voted for his rival, and only 27% of the eligible voting population cared enough to cast a vote for him.

    This statement demonstrates Numbers is an idiot. You’re right, Numbers, it’s not a democracy. It’s a republic.

    Get a clue you stupid old fool.

  72. struth

    Dealing with the facts again smutti.

    What box was that again?
    Until you know which box I’d like to put you in, what are you talking about?
    However, accusing me of being a terrorist in the straight forward manner you have, I could well have you for defamation which is a law that has been around for decades and easily applies here.
    However, as I live by what I preach, I do not take offence.
    But don’t push it.

  73. Oh come on

    And numbers, please end the pretence that you aren’t Hanoi Bob. Your calling cards are distinctive.

    We all know who you are………………..(sic)

  74. struth

    The whole electoral process was fine for lefties until they lost.
    Assuring each other of a win in an echo chamber of cultural marxist virtue signalling, the electoral process was something to get ready to party about.
    Many movie stars had told lefties that Trump would never be president.
    The left bought the polls and then believed their own propaganda!
    All was fine in bubble land and the election was in the bag.
    Not one lefty mentioned that they didn’t like the system.
    Anywhere.
    At any time.
    But once they lose, it’s all so unfair.
    Da nasty wussians.
    Da system is undemocwatic.

    No, the only thing that is undemocratic is leftism.

  75. Smufti

    No, the only thing that is undemocratic is leftism.

    What a limp nonsense statement.
    I’ll do the translation – “Democracy only rates if the people elect someone of whom I approve (in this case Ol Jellybelly Trump).” The fact that they did not – favouring his rival by more voting for her – is inconvenient, so I’ll ignore it”.
    Also inferred – “I’m a simple soul, and am capable of understanding a limit of two concepts simultaneously. The Left/Right notion, whilst irrelevant, serves this purpose. I’ll ignore its irrelevance, as well. The world is so much easier to understand if you just block any elements of reality that are confusing”.

  76. Tel

    Aboriginal Carbon Farming.

    https://mysunshinecoast.com.au/news/news-display/new-multimillion-dollar-funding-for-aboriginal-carbon-farming,47176

    The Queensland Government today announced $8.4 million to facilitate and expand the carbon farming industry in the state.

    Environment Minister Dr Steven Miles said the Queensland Carbon Plus Fund will create jobs for Traditional Owners to plant trees, rehabilitate native vegetation and manage fire regimes to deliver important environmental, social and cultural benefits in Indigenous communities

    Speaking before a visit to the Great Barrier Reef Dr Miles said the carbon farming was one part of the Queensland government strategy to reduce carbon emissions.

  77. BorisG

    One of the best things about Trump is that he is not a politician – he comes without political baggage and without preconceived notions about how things are done in Washington – he is used to being in a world where results are more important than perception.

    I’d say this is the ONLY good thing about Trump.

    it is not unlike saying that the best thing about this bus driver is that he has never before drove a bus or a car.

  78. BorisG

    I have read it again and it is hard to believe that he 1) understands all this (living among all the denialists) and 2) has the audacity to speak out. All this stuff about Muslims, about safe schools. I hope it is not fake.

  79. BorisG

    a man who has been perfectly happy to take sit-down money in the past, and who supported exactly the same kind of welfarism towards his people when it was Labor Party policy – that is, of the party of which he was Federal President, no less.

    better late than never.

  80. struth

    I’ll do the translation – “Democracy only rates if the people elect someone of whom I approve (in this case Ol Jellybelly Trump).” The fact that they did not – favouring his rival by more voting for her – is inconvenient, so I’ll ignore it”.

    The hypocrisy is incredible in this one.
    It truly is the politics of the mirrorless.

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