No reason to suspect any motivation of any kind whatsoever related to politics, religion or ideology

A van is driven into the Australian Christian Lobby building with a number of gas canisters set alight that burns down half the building. I completely agree with the police, there is absolutely no reason to suspect any motivation of any kind whatsoever related to politics, religion or ideology. From the latest report in The Oz.

The head of the Australian Christian Lobby has accused ACT police of “prejudicing” the investigation into a van explosion outside the group’s headquarters, saying an announcement it was not politically, religiously or ideologically motivated “just doesn’t add up”.

ACL managing director Lyle Shelton also said he still had unanswered questions following phone calls with the police and was unconvinced by their “quick” conclusions.

ACT Policing has determined after a “very short” conversation with the 35-year-old driver of the van — who was undergoing medical treatment at the time — that the incident was not motivated by political, religious or ideological reasons. Inquiries continue “to fully understand the circumstances” surrounding the explosion, which occurred at around 9.35pm last night.

The man is in a critical condition in Canberra Hospital.

“While obviously I have deep respect for the police and the job they do, I’m not convinced you can come to that conclusion so quickly. There are just too many coincidences,” Mr Shelton told The Australian.

“When I questioned them (the police) on the phone they said ‘of course you can’t unequivocally rule out that this was a targeted attack’ but they have come to this conclusion nonetheless.

“We don’t even know this guy’s name. Apparently he gave some statement when he was grievously injured last night and now he’s in a coma. I can’t see how you can say ‘case closed’ after a guy who is obviously suffering terribly has made certain statements where there hasn’t been an opportunity for a full interrogation of him.

“To me it just doesn’t add up.”

ACT Policing said the man, a local resident and Australian national who was not previously known to them, “appears to have ignited gas cylinders within the vehicle, causing an explosion which damaged the vehicle and building”.

He then walked himself about 4km to Canberra hospital where he presented with serious burn injuries.

“Local resident”. “Australian national”. But does he have a name and what does it say on his facebook page? And are there any clues picked up that might prevent future events of this kind or is it entirely a random event, like being hit by a meteorite? Very mysterious, I have to say. Whoever is being protected, it’s not the public.

ADAM BANDT ADDITION: A man without a sense of irony:

Mr Bandt said: “By desperately trying to link this incident with politicians despite the police saying it wasn’t politically motivated, the ACL has just destroyed its last shred of credibility. I’m disappointed that Lyle Shelton keeps trying to make political mileage out of this, but it does tell you a lot about the way these people work.”

It certainly tells you alot about the way at least some people work. We will all be fascinated to find out how it happened since it seems to have been a crime entirely without a motive.

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110 Responses to No reason to suspect any motivation of any kind whatsoever related to politics, religion or ideology

  1. Defender of the faith

    Steve thinks he might be Jewish?

  2. herodotus

    ACT police now equal Victorians for PC claptrap. How can this be? What sort of government do these places have giving guidance to police?
    Oh, wait a minute ….

  3. Entropy

    Until the MiniTru has determined the correct history of this event, to speculate would be double plus thoughtcrime.

  4. incoherent rambler

    I thought the police habit was to release the names of a suspect, so that good citizens could assist them with their enquiries.

  5. Habib

    What’s the odds on him being a ‘Mo? I’d offer twos on.

  6. incoherent rambler

    What Habib said.

  7. Snoopy

    He’s not a suspect, IR, he’s a victim of a carbon-based fuel source.

  8. Philippa Martyr

    I wouldn’t think he was Islamic.

    I would think he was a marriage equality advocate.

    Has Roz Ward been accounted for?

  9. Boyfromtottenham

    Amazing. So the ACT police don’t know the man’s name, but they know that he is an ‘Australian national’, and a ‘local resident’? If he walked 4km from the crime scene to the hospital, how do the police know if he was the perp? Did he confess to a crime? If so what did he confess to? If not, when will he be charged, and for what offenses? Etc. etc. If this was in fact a terrorist act, the police will have some explaining to do, I think. Or maybe it was just an early NYE prank by a drunken yobbo? A pity that parliament isn’t sitting!

  10. Nighthawk the Elder

    Philippa,

    +1

  11. calli

    No motivation related to religion eh?

    Seven just reported that the suspect had a long standing hatred of religion.

    Must be FakeNews.

  12. Entropy

    Obviously just a person living Kevni style that collects gas cylinders as a hobby. Just chose a quiet spot for the night and turned on the gas for a cup of tea, and then everything went wrong.

  13. thefrolickingmole

    The only legitimate reason I can think of is if it was a failed (so far) suicide attempt where his parking at those offices was a genuine coincidence.
    Or Possibly a camper pulled up with a cook stove gas leak in the back?

    Outside of that it stinks of political theater and an attempt to protect certain people.

    Id be guessing he wasnt meant to be where the “earth shattering kaboom” went off and its a Darwin award candidate.

  14. I Am the Walras, Equilibrate and Price Take

    Slothful induction – the coward’s retreat from reality.

  15. Gab

    Blame the Russians. Or Tony Abbott.

  16. JMH

    My bet the perp is one of the QWERTY 2% who is really bitter and twisted he couldn’t tie the knot under the Mistletoe and Marriage Act on Christmas Day.

  17. Memoryvault

    Or Possibly a camper pulled up with a cook stove gas leak in the back?

    In that case he wasn’t planning to run out of gas any time soon.
    A photo in one of the news items shows the entire floor of the van stacked with BBQ gas bottles.

  18. Dave in Marybrook

    It’s obviously a protest against Fracking, targeted at disrupting the energy supply for the ACL’s sausage sizzle. It’s microwaved sangers this Christmas I’m afraid children…

  19. Sean

    I guess the police are over cautious as well as being PC. They can’t really afford to **** up identifying a motive and release it to the press until they are 100% sure.

  20. Zatara

    “I guess the police are over cautious as well as being PC. They can’t really afford to **** up identifying a motive and release it to the press until they are 100% sure.”

    That’s why they said “No comment”.

    Right?

  21. Baldrick

    If the incident was not politically, religiously or ideologically motivated, then what’s left?
    It’s was an unfortunate accident which just happened to occur in the early hours of the morning outside the offices of the Australian Christian Lobby?

    Yeah right.

  22. mh

    I watched the live press conference this morning on ABC24. It was ridiculous and the press gallery knew it.

  23. Louis Hissink

    And the van had no registration plates so no ID was possible ?

    False flag or our own media are that dumb……..

  24. Canberra resident.
    Comatose.
    Incapable of handling slightly complex equipment.
    Uses public health system.

    Yep, a card carrying member of The Greens who preferences Labor second.

  25. What a shame the perp had all the van windows wound up so that no one could hear him scream ALLAHU AKHBAR!!! ALLAHU AKHBAR!!! as he slammed into the building.

  26. the sting

    If it walks like a duck,quacks like a duck,looks like a duck it probably is not politically or religiously or ideologically a duck.

  27. Leo G

    Given that The Australian Federal Police Association is next door at number 6, my bet is that the attacker, in an intoxicated state, attacked the wrong address.

  28. King Koala

    I thought the police habit was to release the names of a suspect, so that good citizens could assist them with their enquiries.

    I have noticed that police and/or the medias seldom release perpertrator descriptions now too. Probably a bit inconvenient when so many perps share similar characteristics and the public might notice certain patterns…

  29. Tintarella di Luna

    Would I be called a conspiracy theorist if I said I suspected that maybe in Canberra Hospital they might be undertaking seriously body-altering surgery whereby the 35-year old man leaves hospital as a 22 year-old woman. Is that worth considering? or am I now just being silly?

  30. Jo Smyth

    If he was an angry, white, conservative male, whose name was Jeremy, we would know about it. The fact we don’t is proof enough.

  31. Memoryvault

    Given that The Australian Federal Police Association is next door at number 6, my bet is that the attacker, in an intoxicated state, attacked the wrong address.

    I have no idea if you’re right, Leo. But that’s the most plausible explanation I’ve read to date.
    A pissed-off AFP officer, with some almighty grudge against the Association, real or imagined, writes himself off with a bottle and a half of Wild Turkey, and tries to take out the HQ.

    And misses.

    It would certainly explain the AFP’s reluctance to release details better than any other theory advanced so far.

  32. jupes

    Most likely a Muslim.

    May be a Lefty.

    Unlikely to be someone with a grudge against a particular religion e.g. someone molested by a priest. They would more likely attack a specific church rather than the ACL.

    Release his name you arseholes.

  33. Dr Fred Lenin

    The canberra town council will ensure the local vops are PC and follow the cultimultural guidlines . Muslims are peace lp]oving valuable welfare recipients ,and the crime rate amogst african welfare recipients is too low to be counted . We czn ot interfere with the uncommunist world domination plan .
    Forget Trump the clever left will sort him out .

  34. Botswana O'Hooligan

    Having just left police employment, tho not as a copper, I would like to categorically state that you mob are terribly cynical, misinformed, biased, one sided, and so bloody right.

  35. candy

    Whatever the truth the ACL is understandably worried something else might happen.
    To work there would be a little frightening right now? I hope the police are in tune with that and their duty to protect citizens.

  36. Rabz

    Bizarre stuff.

    The reports I heard this morning (on JJJ news) stated that the individual believed to be responsible had driven a van up to the building and then taken steps to ensure that the gas canisters contained within were ignited, resulting in the subsequent damage to the office.

    He had been briefly interviewed in his hospital bed at a later time, where the investigating officers had determined that there was “no reason to suspect any motivation of any kind whatsoever related to politics, religion or ideology”.

    WTF?

  37. curious george

    no reason to suspect any motivation of any kind whatsoever related to politics, religion or ideology”.

    Perfectly understandable. It’s just the sort of casual activity that people engage in from time to time just to pass the time. Yeah right.

    If you aren’t offended by that ridiculous statement from the police then they are correct. You are stupid.

  38. Luke

    So nothing to see here. We can be sure he wasn’t white, male, straight or Christian.

    Ed. Can we discuss Yet another betrail by Malcom Turnbull’s government in seeking to allow metadata to be accessible for civil suits, read copy right trolls?

  39. candy

    I wonder if the police were aware of this character because he had been making noises, sending letters etc to the police, on Facebook, whatever, about blowing up some building in Canberra, and they just ignored him. So they are just anxious to keep the matter quiet now. ? something like that?

  40. Rabz

    they just ignored him. So they are just anxious to keep the matter quiet now.? something like that?

    candy – as I posted on the open thread, all those donuts and big macs aren’t going to eat themselves.

  41. Pedro the Ignorant

    We are mushrooms.

    Kept in the dark and fed on bullshit.

  42. BrettW

    How does the guy manage to walk a fair distance, apparently injured, and not get picked up by the police ? Surely the first cop at the scene would realise this is a bit more than a traffic accident and all local resources deployed to find the driver who was clearly not at the scene.

    Unfortunately it appears police senior command throughout the country are more intent on being PC than actually giving the public some confidence. However perhaps WA Commissioner might be exempt as he has made some supportive non PC comments relating to Leak and Aboriginal treatment of children.

    If the Police are so able to rule out certain motives you would think they could actually let us know a credible one instead.

  43. hzhousewife

    Derryn Hunch on PML tonight seemed to be quite certain that the Canberra bloke was a failed suicde, with no other attached motives. Perhaps the fellow s already known to the AFP, I believe an AFP building is very close to the ACL building.

  44. Rabz

    How does the guy manage to walk a fair distance, apparently injured, and not get picked up by the police ?

    Very easily. The Keystone cops here are world famous incompetents.

  45. Rabz

    Derryn Hunch on PML tonight seemed to be quite certain that the Canberra bloke was a failed suicide

    Great. Hunch being one of the universe’s most legendary contraindicators.

  46. H B Bear

    I must admit I’m ambivalent on this. It is tough to condemn anyone who attempts to blow up Canberra although he must be upbraided for doing such a poor job.

    Little point speculating on motive. Just about every activist group in a modern Western democracy despises Christians.

  47. J.H.

    I bet the dumb prick loaded his stolen van with gas cylinders and a twenty liter plastic container of petrol and then “Ram Raided” the building…. Unfortunately for dumbass his twenty liter plastic drum of petrol burst open on impact, the fumes ignited and burned the friggin’ crap outta him.

    …. I bet ya.

  48. struth

    He managed to walk a great distance and not be picked up by the cops because he was under the speed limit?

  49. mareeS

    “Whoever is being protected, it’s not the public.”

    We know. And we are over it.

  50. BrettW

    Very Good !

    struth
    #2242031, posted on December 22, 2016 at 11:29 pm
    He managed to walk a great distance and not be picked up by the cops because he was under the speed limit?

  51. Combine Dave

    Just another underprivileged mentally ill yoof.

    Magistrate: No conviction recorded!

  52. Mjw

    What colour was the bomber before he caught on fire.

  53. Entropy

    Mr Bandt said: “By desperately trying to link this incident with politicians despite the police saying it wasn’t politically motivated, the ACL has just destroyed its last shred of credibility. I’m disappointed that Lyle Shelton keeps trying to make political mileage out of this, but it does tell you a lot about the way these people work.”

    I wonder if we discover Green Party connections?

  54. Entropy

    Two days later and the MSM seem to have a distinct lack of curiosity. And content to wait for the authorities to provide them its version of events.

  55. iamok

    When I first saw the Commish’s statement I thought BS! I think many people now take what the authorities say with a grain of salt. Not motivated by politics or religion. Tosh!.

    FFS grow some balls and tell it like it is or you will have locals arming themselves seeking retribution. And that will be a very scary time on the streets.

    Down here in Victoriastan you can’t drive on the roads in Melbourne cos of the congestion from trams and bike lanes, plus the lack of trafiic light co-ordination. You can’t drive on country roads without destroying your tyres or undercarriage &/or massive delays due to roadworks. You can’t get a job other than in government. You can’t scratch your arse without having to pay a license fee, comply with some stupid regulation, or getting fined. You can’t walk the streets without fear of abuse o attack for being a WASM and you the cops are too busy being in LGBTIQWERTY marches or picking up jaywalkers. Sleeping in you home is becoming risky too.

    Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Cats.

  56. This attack is apparently not politically or religiously motivated and yet WA police put together a task-force to find a man who allegedly threw a beer bottle at a muslim woman.

    It’s clear where their priorities are.

  57. Leo G

    By desperately trying to link this incident with politicians despite the police saying it wasn’t politically motivated, the ACL has just destroyed its last shred of credibility

    That from the deputy leader of the no-shred-of- credibility Greens, a faction of which has just publicly vowed violently to fight police and capitalism and to oppose the rule of law.

  58. HRT

    Innocent lives are at risk. Gas bottles and gas should not be freely available at camping goods stores and Bunnings. Gas and gas bottle control is essential, as is licensing of all who want to buy gas and gas bottles.

    While it would help if 7.30 Report ran a piece on the evils of this murderous trade and Billy the Goat watched it, a Royal Commission is not necessary. Action Now!

  59. cui bono

    Bandt’s lack of compassion for others who have been terrorised. Very revealing for those who care to look.

  60. Any bets on whether this bloke was touched by a priest as a boy?

  61. JJF

    Adam Bandt is nothing but a turd!

  62. The BigBlueCat

    monty
    #2242192, posted on December 23, 2016 at 9:11 am
    Any bets on whether this bloke was touched by a priest as a boy?

    ACL are essentisally Protestant not Roman Catholic …. but I guess the guy has mental problems anyway …

  63. Entropy

    m0nty
    #2242192, posted on December 23, 2016 at 9:11 am
    Any bets on whether this bloke was touched by a priest as a boy?

    Wouldn’t that fall into politics, religion or ideology?

  64. Tim Neilson

    Any bets on whether this bloke was touched by a priest as a boy?
    There’s a strong chance he’ll claim he was.
    But I think that’s unlikely to have been the motive.
    If he was reacting to having been touched up by a Catholic priest he’d much more likely attack a specific Catholic institution (and likewise if it were an Anglican priest).

  65. cuckoo

    SBS news last night ran this as the third or fourth item but were careful to remind us that the ACL is ‘controversial’, i.e. if they were firebombed it was all their own fault. Apparently articulating a mainstream Christian doctrine is now considered controversial in Australia. As many have said already, if someone had egged an abortion clinic, ABC/SBS/Fairfax would be in full meltdown and reporting live from the site wearing kevlar.

    As for the AFP, let’s remember we live in a country where a senior cop stood up and spoke about lying awake at night worrying about the three lives ‘he’ lost in the Lindt Cafe siege. And kept his job.

  66. Turtle of WA

    Even Sky news pointed out that the ACL had controversial views like opposing gay marriage and safe schools. WTF is controversial about a view everyone held ten years ago?

  67. twostix

    Monty makes a funny sbout state sanctioned leftwing terrorism in Australia.

  68. Wouldn’t that fall into politics, religion or ideology?

    Maybe. Or it’s just personal.

  69. twostix

    The AFP are openly corrupt leftwing political enforcers. Somehow they achieve the impressivr feat of Canberra being simultaneously the wealthiest, most expensive but second most violent crime ridden state in Australia.

    It’ll turn out to be a kiltant atheist or gay activist.

  70. twostix

    Monty pre-apologising for his terrorist ideological brother, again.

  71. twostix

    They’re applying the post muslim terror script to standard donestic leftwing terror now.

    “Truck accident”
    “No motive”
    “They asked for it because Controversial”

  72. .

    monty

    I’m waiting for information to come out.

    How often do the police withhold information like this? Hence the scorn and suspicion.

  73. Candy

    The ACL is an organisation most people have never heard of so it would be understandable they felt targeted and not just a random drug addled violent individual. Lol. Maybe they just did not like ACL stance on same sex marriage.

  74. Jim

    As a general rule, police do their investigations based on physical evidence. The ACL is an organisation based on some ideas that have no basis in physical evidence.

    I find it a bit harsh that the guy from the ACL has the hide to question the approach used by the police.

  75. .

    Really Jim, what about blatantly fraudulent “climate science” – you know, with this “super hot” summer that is as mild as spring?

  76. twostix

    Here come the nu-athiests to explain that the ACL deserved it using their astounding spock inspired Logic ™.

  77. twostix

    Strange that a nu-athiest pops up their head on a story of the ACL being firebombed.

    Not that he’s secretly pleased or anything!

  78. twostix

    The communist AFP never arrested the organisers in the Labor party who organised a riot against Tony Abbott while he was stuck in an isolated small glass enclosed restaurant on Australia day.

  79. gabrianga

    Derryn Hunch on PML tonight seemed to be quite certain that the Canberra bloke was a failed suicide

    There is a 10%,13%, 15%, 32% chance that Hinch is correct?

  80. Anonandon

    Strange and difficult way to commit suicide. Hinch is actually dumber than the average person – which is pretty dumb.

  81. Leo G

    Derryn Hunch on PML tonight seemed to be quite certain that the Canberra bloke was a failed suicide

    …. bomber?
    It was reported that he first attempted a ramraid attack on the building, which was foiled by an entry balistrade. He subsequently released the contents of at least one gas bottle and set the vehicle alight. We don’t know whether a detonating charge was intended (but failed).
    Given the subsequent anti-terrorist operation in Victoria, ACT police would be justified in playing down the event.
    The ACL reaction was understandable but irresponsible.
    The Hinch comment Just observed the blindingly obvious.

  82. Tim Neilson

    The ACL is an organisation based on some ideas that have no basis in physical evidence.
    Bullshit you subcretinous poseur. You may not think that the New Testament accounts of Jesus’ miracles and resurrection are good evidence, but in any circles other than poncedom eyewitness accounts by people who are prepared to be tortured to death for making their claims would be accepted as having some probative weight.

  83. entropy

    Yes if he had managed to properly set the thing off he would be dead alright. You could call that suicide if he managed a bigger bomb. However, rather than throwing himself on the flames in an act of Sati he walked 4km to the hospital to have his burns treated. You only get that level of incompetence in a lefty.

  84. entropy

    Given the subsequent anti-terrorist operation in Victoria, ACT police would be justified in playing down the event.

    in hindsight, perhaps a very good point there Leo.

  85. John Comnenus

    The AFP association is in nearby Manuka. I find it amazing that the AFP can form a solid conclusion based on a short discussion with a critically injured perp.

  86. Jannie

    He is not a white male of Euro ancestry, if he was they would be shouting it from the treetops.

  87. Leo G

    The AFP association is in nearby Manuka

    Level 1, 6 Campion Street Deakin was at one time the National office of the Australian Federal Police Association and the Australian Law and Justice Association. Apparently the change of address was prior to January 2006.

  88. John Comnenus

    Leo,

    Thanks 4 the heads up. I drive past the AFPA office very regularly and work two blocks from the bombing site. So it wasn’t the AFPA office but might have been a decade ago. I think that is stretching it, and very unlikely to be the motive

  89. LGS

    Adam Bandt “destroyed [his] last shred of credibility” long ago!
    When he join the Greens.

  90. LGS

    Mr Bandt said: “By desperately trying to link this incident with politicians despite the police saying it wasn’t politically motivated, the ACL has just destroyed its last shred of credibility. I’m disappointed that Lyle Shelton keeps trying to make political mileage out of this, but it does tell you a lot about the way these people work.”
    I can’t recall Bandt – or any other Green – publicly criticising a single Muslim, fire-brand cleric, Islamic body or lobby group in this country.
    Ever.

  91. Combine Dave

    As a general rule, police do their investigations based on physical evidence. The ACL is an organisation based on some ideas that have no basis in physical evidence.

    I find it a bit harsh that the guy from the ACL has the hide to question the approach used by the police.

    What physical evidence was used by the police to determine he had no political, ideological or religious motivation for the attack and in such a short timeframe?

    Almost as though they hadn’t used any evidence at all and were simply attempting to preclude further questions from the general public.

  92. Razor

    Not jehadist. (went to hospital)
    Hates Christians. (ACL office)
    Adam Bandt very very quick to attack ACL = unstated defence of perp.
    Adam bandt = Green
    Adam Bandt = Gay
    Perp = Green Gay upset about no gay marriage
    = Snowflake
    = very dumb to think would not be hurt.
    =GREEN

  93. Entropy

    I reckon that is a pretty good chain of deduction there Razor. The AFP clearly need your help.

  94. Gavin R Putland

    If the offender were a disgruntled former employee of the ACL, his grievance wouldn’t necessarily be religious…

  95. Boambee John

    Gavin,

    And if your uncle was a woman, she would be your aunt!

  96. classical_hero

    There is no evidence the place was targeted. Might as well be looking for a one armed man.

  97. Entropy

    Didnt he Ram the doors initially? I reckon that would fit the definition of targeted.

  98. Gavin R Putland

    Yes, to me it looks like a targeted attack. My point is that the motives for such targeting can be excruciatingly prosaic.

  99. Mayan

    What else is in the building? There is a financial planning firm at the same address.

    Best to kick back and see the full story. (Very un-Cat, I know, but some of us don’t break out the lynch mob without cause.)

  100. Crossie

    Razor
    #2242724, posted on December 23, 2016 at 4:41 pm
    Not jehadist. (went to hospital)
    Hates Christians. (ACL office)
    Adam Bandt very very quick to attack ACL = unstated defence of perp.
    Adam bandt = Green
    Adam Bandt = Gay
    Perp = Green Gay upset about no gay marriage
    = Snowflake
    = very dumb to think would not be hurt.
    =GREEN

    And probably well known or related to someone who is well known.

    I expect this to be allowed to fade without further explanation unless ACL insist on making waves.

  101. struth

    Good god…..it is bleedingly obvious.
    If the police were not politicized they wouldn’t have stated so quickly that it was not politically or ideologically driven.
    After such a short time they would have just said that investigations are continuing.
    The worrying part of this story is the police response.

  102. Entropy

    Ye Gavin. It could be something pathetic like an EA having an affair and hubby very upset about it, or just a bad break up. Or someone who doesn’t like the ACL, but according to the cops, not political, ifiological or what was the other thing? Sports related?

    The lack of interest and lack of communication is rather stunning.

  103. Pat Warnock

    I am also worried about the man who tried to light up fuel at a petrol station in Victoria and the man who stopped him reported it to the police at three stations and they said they wouldn’t investigate because no damage was done. There is CTV evidence – so why the lack of interest?

  104. Rabz

    I expect this to be allowed to fade without further explanation unless ACL insist on making waves.

    My brother made this very observation this arvo – he doesn’t read the Cat.

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