Monday Forum: December 26, 2016

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  1. memoryvault

    Oh, and while I admire the motives of those who go to godforsaken hellholes in Africa to try to do some good, I am reminded that well-meaning people have been doing this for at least 150 years with no discernible results.

    I agree, Johanna. I think these things fail for the same reason that soup kitchens for the homeless (usually men), are probably counter-productive and don’t really accomplish anything lasting or meaningful.

  2. Andrew

    Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump Dec 23
    Vladimir Putin said today about Hillary and Dems: “In my opinion, it is humiliating. One must be able to lose with dignity.” So true!

    This is one of the greatest tweets of all time. It’s got everything.

    Now imagine the parallel universe in which the Kenyan tweets that, burning Romney after his rioting supporters be try to rig the electoral college. A week of from page headlines, every presstitute writing things like “Obama’s perfect tweet DESTROYS Romney” and the CEO of Twitter is awarded the Presidential Meral of Honour (after a large donation to the DNC, of course).

  3. OneWorldGovernment

    classical_hero
    #2246467, posted on December 28, 2016 at 3:40 pm

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com.au/2016/01/there-was-18-month-settlement-freeze.html?m=1#.WGKvrVg2rQI.twitter

    This proves that settlements are not the obstacle to peace since stopping settlements didn’t bring peace. Makes the resolution even more evil

    Interesting to see what Netanyahu is saying to both foreign company Israeli based and overseas Israeli based diplomats.

    Could this be another Trump winning?

  4. Mark A

    Johanna

    I daresay it makes people feel good to do this stuff, but call me old-fashioned, if it hasn’t worked for well over a century, perhaps a rethink might be in order?

    You put your finger on it.
    Probably subconsciously but the motivation is always a selfish one albeit selfish in a better sense. These people actually do believe that they are doing good, while as you said no
    lasting change comes of it.

    Many UN projects costing millions were and are being abandoned as soon as the western engineers and technicians leave.

    The only lasting change comes from within these communities.

  5. Top Ender

    Johanna, that tank you are talking about at the AWM – if it’s in the big hall at the back – is Mephisto, a German tank captured in WWI and brought back to Australia.

    Captured by the 26th Battalion near Villers-Brettoneux in 1918.

  6. Thanks, Gab. Will give it a look-see.

  7. stackja

    Fourth case of measles in Sydney visited multiple suburbs while infectious, NSW Health warns
    The Sydney Morning Herald – 34 minutes ago

  8. Bruce of Newcastle

    They are horrible things.

    Johanna – Yep, they are. I liken this to sewerage engineering which thankfully I’ve not had to do. I spent most of one Christmas eve literally up to my nipples in black sludge trying to keep a water treatment plant running until the fitters came on shift in the morning, but thankfully it wasn’t a sewerage plant and there was no smell. And I served a couple years in the AAR, which was enough for me to learn that I would be better at sewerage engineering than infantry. But both professions are damned fine and better than what would happen if you didn’t have them.

    I welcome lady soldiers, if they wish to serve. The final two pics in most recent TWIP are ace:

    Captain Or Ben-Yehuda of the Israeli Defense Forces has cemented a legacy that will endure well past her lifetime. The young, decorated IDF Captain was in charge of a company of soldiers when they were violently attacked by nearly two dozen terrorists near the Egyptian border.

    Captain Ben-Yehuda was in charge of the Caracal Battalion which was stationed near the Israeli / Egyptian border. Three suspicious vehicles quickly approached the battalion’s position and Captain Ben-Yehuda along with a driver went to check them out.

    As they approached the first vehicle, nearly two dozen armed men opened fire on their position in an ambush attack. Both Captain Ben-Yehuda and her driver were immediately shot in the volley of gunfire.

    Despite suffering from a gunshot wound, Captain Ben-Yehuda managed to get on the radio and call for backup, administer first aid to her driver and return several magazines worth of gunfire back at her attackers.

    At this point it was obvious the IDF was going to be able to push back the armed group, and medical personnel wanted to evacuate Captain Ben-Yehuda to treat her gunshot wounds. However, she was unwilling to leave the battlefield until all of the fighting was done.

    For her actions and bravery, Captain Ben-Yehuda was awarded Israel’s highest honor, the Medal of Valor.

    Awesome lady!

  9. Andrew

    Vicpol anecdote –

    2 uninformed cops

    Yep, that figures.

  10. Rev. Archibald

    I welcome lady soldiers, if they wish to serve.

    ..
    Et tu Bruce?
    Surely not infantry?
    You know they can’t train at the same level as men.

  11. OneWorldGovernment

    memoryvault
    #2246474, posted on December 28, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    Oh, and while I admire the motives of those who go to godforsaken hellholes in Africa to try to do some good, I am reminded that well-meaning people have been doing this for at least 150 years with no discernible results.

    I agree, Johanna. I think these things fail for the same reason that soup kitchens for the homeless (usually men), are probably counter-productive and don’t really accomplish anything lasting or meaningful.

    Johanna,

    I think most of the South African countries should be boycotted, including South Africa itself.

    Their ‘big men’ shitheads just take the money.

    But maybe ‘we’ should go into Belgium/France/Germany/wherever and blow the shit out of awful fucks that are supplying these ‘big men’.

  12. Bruce of Newcastle

    Arky – I think it’s fair to say that Capt. Ben-Yehuda is a better soldier than I was.
    And I’m 190 cm and 100 kg, so always had to tote the section heavy weapons.

  13. Rev. Archibald

    Bruce, would you have wanted to train alongside chicks, remember what being in an infantry section in the bush was like?
    Also: How many of them do they have to burn through and break to get one or two examples to point to and say: “Ta dah! Equality!”?

  14. Baldrick

    World map of Australia’s 2016-17 Foreign Aid budget.

    Figures are in AU$millions.
    Palestine – $43.6M
    Pakistan – $47M
    Middle East and North Africa – $51.8M

  15. stackja

    Liberty Quote
    We are going to tax and tax, spend and spend, elect and elect.
    — Harry Hopkins, advisor to Franklin D. Roosevelt

  16. johanna

    memoryvault
    #2246474, posted on December 28, 2016 at 3:51 pm

    Oh, and while I admire the motives of those who go to godforsaken hellholes in Africa to try to do some good, I am reminded that well-meaning people have been doing this for at least 150 years with no discernible results.

    I agree, Johanna. I think these things fail for the same reason that soup kitchens for the homeless (usually men), are probably counter-productive and don’t really accomplish anything lasting or meaningful.

    I’m not so critical of soup kitchens as I am of African missions.

    For one thing, they don’t involve people putting themselves in harm’s way to “help” others, even when it is demonstrably a waste of time, money and effort. Working in a soup kitchen is not the same as going to some disease-ridden midden far from home and help. A soup kichen is classical Western charity, not the same thing at all as flying in to some dump in the Third world and then (hopefully) flying out again at the end of your stint of do-gooding, feeling virtuous.

    There is not any evidence that I know of which indicates that the extistence of soup kitchens encourage people to become homeless or poor. There is plenty of evidence that Western aid, including missionaries, not only makes no appreciable difference, but actually makes things worse.

  17. OneWorldGovernment

    Baldrick
    #2246498, posted on December 28, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    World map of Australia’s 2016-17 Foreign Aid budget.

    Figures are in AU$millions.
    Palestine – $43.6M
    Pakistan – $47M
    Middle East and North Africa – $51.8M

    Baldrick,

    I pray to God that the Trump Administration withdraws all funding to the UN and forceably relocates the entire crap to Mogadishu.

    Palestine should be wiped off the map.

  18. jupes

    I welcome lady soldiers, if they wish to serve.

    I don’t.

    Firstly it is important to understand that female soldiers are not there to increase combat capability, they are there because lefty doctrine (political correctness) states that females are the equal of males and can do any job that males can do. Of course this is utter rubbish, particularly when it comes to jobs that require physical strength such as infantry.

    Even more importantly for the feminists, they are there so that women can be eligible to do the top jobs in the defence force, which traditionally (and quite rightly) go to combat soldiers.

    In the case of Israel, they used female infantry soldiers in the War of Independence in 1948. However when the IDF was formed soon after, they banned female soldiers from combat duty because they were a distraction to the male soldiers and in many cases the Arab soldiers fought harder against women. There was also a battle which the IDF didn’t want to see repeated where Israeli female soldiers were mutilated.

    This ban was lifted in the ’90s, not by the IDF mind you, but by the courts. To manage females in the infantry, the IDF created a single unit comprising males and females – the Caracel Battalion. This is an operational unit which patrols the Sinai border but does not get involved in major operations such as invasions of Gaza or Lebanon. Those jobs fall to all male units.

    That’s not to say that females cannot perform individual acts of bravery such as that displayed by Captain Ben-Yehuda, quite obviously some of them can. Conversely it doesn’t follow that because some do perform well, therefore female soldiers enhance combat capability. They do not.

  19. Combine Dave

    German tanks looked nice, had great specifications, great armour, great guns, and broke down if you looked at them sideways.

    Reading the history of one of the German heavy tank battalions and all of the above is correct.

    This is definitely true of the Tiger and Panther tanks.

    Not so of the German equivalent to the Sherman, a tried and tested design which was better than the Sherman in most respects – Panzer IV.

  20. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce, would you have wanted to train alongside chicks, remember what being in an infantry section in the bush was like?

    Did sub 1 at Holsworthy alongside chicks. They were OK.
    I’ve said several times before that I would want the ladies in their own units so that the tactical skill set can be best used. It’d be interesting to learn from Kurdish experience, as their ladies have been in the hot zone for some time and have amassed renowned battlefield credits.

  21. OneWorldGovernment

    johanna
    #2246501, posted on December 28, 2016 at 4:30 pm

    I’m not so critical of soup kitchens as I am of African missions.

    For one thing, they don’t involve people putting themselves in harm’s way to “help” others, even when it is demonstrably a waste of time, money and effort. Working in a soup kitchen is not the same as going to some disease-ridden midden far from home and help. A soup kitchen is classical Western charity, not the same thing at all as flying in to some dump in the Third world and then (hopefully) flying out again at the end of your stint of do-gooding, feeling virtuous.

    There is not any evidence that I know of which indicates that the existence of soup kitchens encourage people to become homeless or poor. There is plenty of evidence that Western aid, including missionaries, not only makes no appreciable difference, but actually makes things worse.

    Thank you Johanna

  22. dopey

    The London Array wind farm, Thames Estuary, would make a nice day trip.

  23. Habib

    Tanks are especially horrible if the enemy has them, and you don’t.

  24. memoryvault

    I’ve said several times before that I would want the ladies in their own units so that the tactical skill set can be best used.

    Hammer, nail, head, BoN. The Israeli Caracel Battalion referred to in the above article is an all woman unit of the Israeli Army. The Israelis aren’t stupid. Problems of disparity of strength and endurance between men and women in combat roles only become an issue when attempts are made to try and combine them.

  25. Combine Dave

    More on tanks (mildly humorous)

  26. Combine Dave

    Tanks are especially horrible if the enemy has them, and you don’t.

    haha very true.

  27. calli

    Oh, and while I admire the motives of those who go to godforsaken hellholes in Africa to try to do some good, I am reminded that well-meaning people have been doing this for at least 150 years with no discernible results.

    I agree, Johanna. I think these things fail for the same reason that soup kitchens for the homeless (usually men), are probably counter-productive and don’t really accomplish anything lasting or meaningful.

    MV and Joh, it depends on what you consider “lasting and meaningful”.

    The missionaries and those who support them would say that the work has eternal significance.

    And still no news of Dr. Ken Elliott.

  28. johanna

    Top Ender
    #2246479, posted on December 28, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    Johanna, that tank you are talking about at the AWM – if it’s in the big hall at the back – is Mephisto, a German tank captured in WWI and brought back to Australia.

    Nup, this was years before the Mephisto came to the AWM. Pretty sure it’s one of ours.

  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    A lady soldier in training? I think not. 🙂

    Snowshoe Trekking: Hairy and I did this while the children went dogsledding with Mrs. Mum (aka Grannie Pat). We’d both done dog sledding before so felt we could give that a miss. Mostly though Hairy was keen to at least get into some sort of snow sports, one that I would countenance for him with his DVT history.

    So we had to hire our snow gear for snowshoe walking. The proper sort of snow boots were provided by the trekking company but we both had to hire snow pants and buy some decent ski-socks and snow mitts. No problem for Hairy but I am small. The only pants they had left that would even begin to fit me were made for a woman with longer legs than me and a different shape. I ended up with a weird fashion look, Little Orphan Annie in shapeless baggy pants, a waistband with a tendency to sit on my hips, and two small pneumatic looking rolls of trouser leg around each ankle. The only comfort was that when wearing snowshoes you have to keep your legs well apart. Luckily my parka covered the low-slung waist.

    We were picked up and did a fabulous 50km drive along the highway from Banff to the border of Alberta with British Columbia, taking in the famous Castle Mountain as well as many other major peaks, a treat in itself. We stopped at the Continental Divide sign there on the border, right next to the highway. Seems we were setting off from the Divide, not going to it. In the early morning it was minus 21 degrees and I had so many items of clothing on I could barely bend down to lock into my snow shoes. Our guide, a slightly off-hand (pfft) but highly experienced French mountaineer from Quebec, tall and energetic, reluctantly set them up for me, as he appeared keen on imbuing self-help, and in thanks I offered him my most winning smile.

    That was lucky, because as we set off, me totally new to snowshoes, we charged straight over a ditch and immediately uphill into a thickish forest of smaller fir, with our guide weaving between them cutting a trail for us. My only instruction had been to dig in with the crampons, so I dug in on a rough section, but tipped my snowshoe under a hidden branch in the track, tried to save myself by moving my other foot, and crashed that down on the edge of the trapped shoe. Completely collapsed over backwards, beached like that little seal on that car in Hobart this Christmas, I yelled out for Hairy to stop. Our guide made his way back to me and advised you had to put your snowshoe on top of any branch, which was indeed helpful advice as there were branches underfoot everywhere. I got the feeling that he only did it because I’d smiled at him, for he was busy with the real people up ahead. Hairy helped me up, and very inelegantly I was once more off uphill, my new mittens adding to my woes, being a size too big and so unpliable it was difficult to control the poles till I took them off for my ordinary gloves; too much pole action for frostbite to set in, I surmised.

    The real people, the only other participants, were two Canadian women from backwoods territories, very experienced at this game, who were putting to shame my shambolic first efforts. The Ugly Sisters, for sisters they were, I secretly and jealously named them to myself, unfairly seizing on their kinship to denigrate their snow-leathered appearance. They were clearly hearty women with the outdoor gene, which I totally lack. Fortunately, they were ecologically-minded. Their deep interest in the guide’s demonstration of the difference between pine and fir (flat vs round leaflets) etcetera allowed me to catch up and catch my breath. I hated being a nuisance, resolved to do better, and attended to technique, managing after that to keep up with the climb, Hairy behind me, happily catching me as a low branch upset my balance by nearly pulling down my parka hood.

    Eventually we descended and traversed across three long frozen lakes with the guide knocking down a track for us first, and the doing what he called ‘some challenging bushwacking’ to surmount the rises and vegetation between the lakes. I struggled over these twisty rises and the guide started to offer me is hand; real help. The Ugly Sisters had long gone on ahead, uphill again to meet us later at the third lake. It was absolutely glorious, going across those great flat expanses of pristine snow-over-ice, ringed with heavily-laden firs, towering mountains above, not a mark on our way but the interesting track of the Snowshoe Hare. Yes, the guide said to Hairy’s questionning about other possible animal tracks we might see, there are still bears around, they were seen here still in early to mid-December. This year they seem to be hibernating late. There are also moose and elk and lynx. I blanched not at all, I tell you true. I was too busy merely keeping going. At the end of the third lake we stopped and our guide produced ginger biscuits and ginger tea. I revived.

    And made it all the way back across the lakes to home base.

    As the guide dropped us off at the hotel, he hi-fived the two Canadian women. They’d had a great chat about all of the obscure climbs they had done and he was impressed. He helped me down from his SUV and I knew I wouldn’t get a high five, but I didn’t expect what I did get. A big close hug, a handsome mountaineer’s face looking down at me admiringly, and a gentle kiss on my cheek. I t’ink you won a heart dere, said Hairy later. Ya may not be da greatest snow walker, but ya didn’t give up for a minute.

    Kudos!

  30. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    The Germans nicknamed the Sherman ‘Tommy Cooker’ or ‘Ronson’. One strike and it was guaranteed to light up first time, every time.

    An American technical mission did discover that those tanks where the crew had stacked spare ammunition inside the turret were the ones that exploded – any units that enforced proper ammunition stowage had the likelihood of such explosion drastically reduced.

  31. ‘You cannot eat here’: Hawaii café riles residents with ban on Trump voters
    Fox News – 24 minutes ago

    I wanna fly there just to order a Trump burger.

    “Okay, what about Winning burgers? Snowflake Trigger burgers? Well, what about Lefty Head Explosion burgers? Safe Spaceburgers? Surely you have Safe Spaceburgers? What kind of crap non-winning burger joint is this??

  32. lotocoti

    The London Array wind farm, Thames Estuary, would make a nice day trip.

    Alford Technologies UK should be able to supply a suitable linear cutting charge to make any wind farm visit truly memorable.

  33. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Israelis aren’t stupid.

    The Kurds likewise: Women’s Protection Units

    Given what the jihadi kiddies have been doing to Yasidi and Kurdish women how can you not let them serve? The psych aspect is good too:

    ‘Isis are afraid of girls’: Kurdish female fighters believe they have an unexpected advantage fighting in Syria

    Israel is surrounded by a horde of maniacs who wish them dead in the worst possible way. Israeli ladies serving in the IDF are doing their bit to prevent it, same as the guys. The art of war is to employ your assets to their best advantage.

  34. jupes

    Warner ton!

    What a champion.

  35. Pedro the Ignorant

    The Australian War Memorial had a British Mark IV WW1 tank on display for many years.

    It was removed from public view in 2008.

    The Mark IV will be familiar to those who have seen the Royal Australian Armoured Corps hat badge.

    Some pics here.

  36. Tel

    “Okay, what about Winning burgers? Snowflake Trigger burgers? Well, what about Lefty Head Explosion burgers? Safe Spaceburgers? Surely you have Safe Spaceburgers? What kind of crap non-winning burger joint is this??

    Then when they kick you out, get a lawyer, get a massive payout because it’s totally illegal to kick people out based on their political point of view, and use the money to buy your own burger place.

  37. Bruce of Newcastle

    Warner Chinese drives for his first test ton at the MCG! Well done that bogan westie.

  38. Ubique

    The Australian is reporting that the ACL is referring to the attack on its Canberra offices as an attempted “suicide bombing” (which it plainly was) and querying just how the Federal Police could possibly determine that there were no political or religious motives involved after their all too brief conversation with the perpetrator before he lapsed into a coma. Still no further word from the police, and no release of the perpetrator’s name. Wierd. Hardly inspires confidence in the cops.

  39. JC

    But maybe ‘we’ should go into Belgium/France/Germany/wherever and blow the shit out of awful fucks that are supplying these ‘big men’.

    You think their clientele are bad news, then get a load of the American client list.

    The military-industrial complex is doing just fine these days with upwards of $700b annually spent domestically on defense and another $40b in weapons sales to mostly third world future enemies — far outpacing all others — because that’s what we do.

    France came in second with $15b, then the evil Russians at around $11b, followed by the dog eating Chinese at $6b.

    Our top customers could all be found in the oil rich Middle East, with Qatar at $17b, Egypt $12b and Saudi Arabia at $8b.

    God willing, they’ll crush all of their enemies, both domestic and abroad, with our space aged weapons.

    There is cause for alarm, however. Global arms sales did drop in 2015 to just $80b, down from $89b in 2014. Third rate tyrannies only purchased $65b in human killing weapons, down from $79b, as an ISIS inspired peace sweeps the area.

  40. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    Then when they kick you out, get a lawyer, get a massive payout because it’s totally illegal to kick people out based on their political point of view, and use the money to buy your own burger place.

    I’m struggling with that, too. I would have thought that, in the United States, you’d be sued from here to Hell and gone, for refusing to serve someone on account of their political views.

  41. johanna

    Rev. Archibald
    #2246489, posted on December 28, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    I welcome lady soldiers, if they wish to serve.

    ..
    Et tu Bruce?
    Surely not infantry?
    You know they can’t train at the same level as men.

    Oh, stop being obtuse. Nobody said that they do.

    Captain Beh-Yehuda is a soldier that anyone would be proud to have in their command. So are the female Kurdistan snipers who mercilessly and effectively operated against ISIS.

    Dickhead blokes like you always confuse stupid affirmative action programs with real merit. According to you, being an effective soldier is about being able to carry a heavy pack or something, which is not necessarily the case. It’s not the 1950s any more.

    You blokes need to get your act together. Half the time, you are complaining about how effective women are at getting what they want, and how bitter and vindictive they can be. The other half, you claim that they haven’t got what it takes to be soldiers.

    These stupid generalisations about half of the population do you no credit. Man up, and be honest.

  42. JC

    Frightbat alert. It always ends badly. Always.

  43. memoryvault

    There is not any evidence that I know of which indicates that the existence of soup kitchens encourage people to become homeless or poor.

    Nobody said there was, Johanna. However, a homeless man, who lost everything for one reason or another, and is possibly an addict or alcoholic, has effectively been stripped of all vestiges of dignity and self-worth. Making him stand in line to be served a plateful of food may fill his stomach but does little for his self-esteem. In fact, is probably demeaning.

    Why not have the kitchens, but if you want to eat, you contribute? Come early and help with pick-up of donated groceries, or help with the preparation, or with the cooking, or the serving. Or help with the washing and cleaning up afterwards. Create a sense of contribution.

    Issue a business size card with boxes on it. Each night employed in one of the above tasks earns an elephant stamp. Six stamped boxes “earns” a night off.

    I’ve never been to Africa, but I assume it’s much the same as in our remote Aboriginal communities. Nothing destroys these communities quicker than the do-gooders coming in and taking over, while the locals are made to sit under a tree and watch and feel useless.

  44. jupes

    Bruce,

    If you suspected your house was being burgled, would you send your wife or daughters to see what was going on? It is immoral to send women into combat.

    Not only that, it is stupid. Female soldiers do not enhance combat capability, they detract from it. They are weaker, break more easily and are a distraction for male soldiers. No commanders returned from the Somme or the Kokoda Track requesting female soldiers.

    As explained above, the Israelis use females in a limited fashion because they are forced to, and I assume that Kurdish women are used mainly for propaganda purposes (but who knows with that lot?). The point is that enforcing politically correct doctrine on the military is a recipe for disaster.

    Too. Stupid. To. Survive.

  45. Bruce of Newcastle

    Frightbat alert. It always ends badly. Always.

    Especially if you are a jihadi kiddie at the wrong end of a .50 cal sniper rifle and the lady has PMS.

  46. jupes

    According to you, being an effective soldier is about being able to carry a heavy pack or something, which is not necessarily the case. It’s not the 1950s any more.

    No. Fucking. Idea.

  47. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    No. Fucking. Idea.

    As someone who got the job of carrying a female soldiers pack for her – in addition to my own – at Northam Army camp, in late 1987, well said, jupes.

  48. Infidel Tiger

    Women have no role whatsoever in soldiering. They should however have basic firearm skills so theyc an defends the homeland.

    Only fallen countries full of beta males would ever allow womenz in the military except to provide comfort, apply bandages and the occasional spying mission.

  49. johanna

    Baldrick
    #2246498, posted on December 28, 2016 at 4:26 pm

    World map of Australia’s 2016-17 Foreign Aid budget.

    Figures are in AU$millions.
    Palestine – $43.6M
    Pakistan – $47M
    Middle East and North Africa – $51.8M

    The vast majority straight down the toilet. But, the one that really irks me is Pakistan.

    Anyone who is not a Muslim, especially Christian, is liable to be subjected to persecution, torture, and murder, and the government doesn’t lift a finger.

    Pakistan is the home of forced marriages, usually between cousins to keep the money in the family. It is far from unusual for British girls of Pakistani families to be coerced into these types of marriages.

    Needless to say, corruption is rife and who knows where the money ends up anyway.

    I fully expect Julie Bishop to do a deal with them – aid money for a vote for us to get on the UN Human Rights Council, so that she can sit at what she imagines is the Big Kids’ Table.

  50. Oh come on

    I’m waiting on a cheque that I was expecting to receive in the mail today. Just checked my letterbox. What the hell? Aus Post are taking an “Australia Post authorised holiday” today; no deliveries! How does that work?? Lazy bastards. Where else do services that otherwise remain open over the Xmas/NYE period take Wednesday off as an “authorised holiday”?

    And of course the cheque won’t clear for three working days (as if there’s some difference between a working and non-working day once the cheque has been processed – this is such a rort), so even if I deposit it tomorrow, I won’t be able to access the funds until midweek next week. grrrr

  51. JC

    Especially if you are a jihadi kiddie at the wrong end of a .50 cal sniper rifle and the lady has PMS.

    It’s a variation of “you go gal” and “girls can do anything”.

    Don’t go frightbatting on me, Bruce.

  52. BorisG

    I agree with Johanna. Have tough tests and if (a reasonable number of) women pass it, good.

    I say a reasonable number because if there are only a few, it does not justify the cost of accommodating women’s needs.

  53. min

    Helping Africans. I have sees the waste of money and the dictators enriching themselves . Mugabe is the richest man in Africa.
    We gave money directly to village overseen by NG Os to build a well, men made bricks ,women made school clothes and they were taught to sell produce.
    St Jude’s in Arusha is huge success An Australian girl started with $10 now has 2000 pupils with the first graduates going to university. Google it and have a look , mainly run on Aussie donations..

  54. memoryvault

    JC,

    Ender’s Game was good.
    Any sci-fi suggestions for tonight?

  55. JC

    BorisG

    Leave the 60% upper body deficit between male vs female. Name one single organization in the West that hasn’t been totally fucked and corrupted with the “you go girl” attitude? One

  56. jupes

    I agree with Johanna.

    Of course you do.

    Fuckwit.

  57. JC

    No vaultaire.. I actually stumbled on that one by accident. I’m not really a sci-fi freak.

  58. Bruce of Newcastle

    JC – In my business I get to work with lots of lady engineers. More than half of chem eng grads these days are ladies. I have to get them to do the work at hand, even if it means wading in shit up to the nipples. They have different skill sets from the guys. The guys are great at out-there challenging stuff. The gals are great at precise attention-to-detail stuff. So I get the guys to do what they’re good at and the gals to do what they’re good at. Especially since I was always the one with the blue sky project ideas, so I got whoever was left over. I became extremely good at getting useful work out of people of less than perfect ability, of both sexes (and the guys who were bad were really awful).

    A woman with a sniper rifle is a very deadly human being.

  59. Top Ender

    Pakistan also has a nuclear weapons program, and spends more than Australia does on its military – about 3% of GDP IIRR.

    Not sure they need $47m large from Oz.

  60. OneWorldGovernment

    JC
    #2246528, posted on December 28, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    But maybe ‘we’ should go into Belgium/France/Germany/wherever and blow the shit out of awful fucks that are supplying these ‘big men’.

    You think their clientele are bad news, then get a load of the American client list.

    JC,

    Stop it.

    I deliberately left off all the one’s you mentioned because the point is ‘the big men’ are buying weapons to protect themselves. They are war lords who have no care for the people!

    What I was more trying to say is why has not the West fucking absolutely boycotted some of these arzholes?

    F*king Mugabi is worse than Rhodesian Smith or is it just because ‘our dickface’ former PM Malturd Fraser went to school with the scum Mugabi?

    Is Zuma in Seth Africa a better leader for “his” people than what preceded majority rule? And are they better off now?

    JC, I can go through every single country in the African continent and show you what farking arz they are.

  61. BrettW

    I am not a fan of women in combat but a good combat action involving women involved Sgt Leigh Anne Hester of Kentucky Guard (ie. reservists) MP Unit with call sign Raven 42. There were 10 MP’s (2 female) in three Humvees and they came to the rescue of a convoy attacked by Iraqi insurgents. The Reservists performed very well and Hester led the attack on the ambushers.

    She was first US female soldier to be awarded Silver Star for close action combat. A medic also got the Silver Star.

  62. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    According to you, being an effective soldier is about being able to carry a heavy pack or something, which is not necessarily the case. It’s not the 1950s any more.

    Serving in an infantry unit – which is where the “you go, girl” brigade claim women can serve – still involves walking long distances, carrying heavy weights. It does fvck all for morale or unit cohesion where certain soldiers get their packs carried for them, or get space found on available transport for their packs, or get space found on available transport for themselves as well as their packs..

  63. Denise

    Min at 2:58. Seems as if all the bases are covered. But time spent in reconnaisance is seldom wasted. It is good that she has experienced backup. May she have a blessed time there, African people are very courteous. They will give you the last slice of bread in their house and think nothing of it.
    I was the Administrator of a mission supporting the field workers and could never have been one of them because the notion of African time drove me crazy. I couldn’t hack people being late and then going over time. We are rich in assets but time poor and in Africa it’s the other way round. Also open and honest communication ie being direct and forceful is terribly confronting and considered very bad form. So i have admiration for the many patient and tolerant fieldworkers I observed who did difficult work with enormous grace.

  64. Combine Dave

    Top Ender
    #2246479, posted on December 28, 2016 at 3:57 pm

    Johanna, that tank you are talking about at the AWM – if it’s in the big hall at the back – is Mephisto, a German tank captured in WWI and brought back to Australia.

    Nup, this was years before the Mephisto came to the AWM. Pretty sure it’s one of ours.

    It was the only good thing in the Qld Museum.

    Sadly now gone. Stolen away down south.

    Also the animatronic mega fauna. Also long gone.

  65. Oh come on

    I don’t have a problem in principle with women serving in the military – surely the Israeli precedent is instructive – however, it should never be a result of some bullshit PC ekwaliddy drive. Which is surely the case in Oz. Just take a look at the ads they show to attract females to serve in the ADF. The messaging is all, have fun! Be your best! Travel the world! Tinker with great big scary machines – yes, you really can do it! Have babies if you like – we don’t care! I highly doubt the vast majority of women attracted by such ads are up to the nuts and bolts job of effectively killing enemies.

  66. JC

    Rooster, you imbecile, do you understand anecdotal incidents don’t really impact in the law of big numbers? Go back to listening to Ray Hadley, you idiot. Report back and tell us what he said.

  67. johanna

    The missionaries and those who support them would say that the work has eternal significance.

    I’d encourage you to read some of the missionary journals on Gutenberg, calli.

    These people, and their benefactors, wasted their lives and a lot of money doing just what today’s do-gooders are doing. It failed for well over a century. It is still failing.

    Are you saying that they got a special spot in Heaven for that, as do their successors?

    Sounds more like fatalistic Islam than muscular Christianity.

  68. P

    memoryvault
    #2246534, posted on December 28, 2016 at 5:09 pm

    Thank you for this comment MV. Although not addressed to me I appreciate what you have said here.

  69. C.L.

    Just what the SAS needs: Jacqui Lambies.

  70. Senile Old Guy

    The guys are great at out-there challenging stuff. The gals are great at precise attention-to-detail stuff.

    Yes BoN; that’s the way it is in the work I am involved in. I could never, in my best efforts, achieve the repetitive perfection in the lab that the females do.

  71. Denise

    Memory vault is right. Charity can be given with the back of the hand. Better to let people contribute something. Though Theodore Dalrymple seems to believe 3rd generation welfare bludgers no longer feel any shame.

  72. Bruce of Newcastle

    I am not a fan of women in combat but a good combat action involving women involved Sgt Leigh Anne Hester of Kentucky Guard (ie. reservists) MP Unit with call sign Raven 42. There were 10 MP’s (2 female) in three Humvees and they came to the rescue of a convoy attacked by Iraqi insurgents. The Reservists performed very well and Hester led the attack on the ambushers.

    Wiki:

    Hester’s military police squad consisting of eight men and two women in three Humvees were shadowing a 30-truck supply convoy when approximately 50 insurgent fighters ambushed the convoy with AK-47, RPK machine gun fire, and rocket propelled grenades (RPG). The squad moved to the side of the road, flanking the insurgents and cutting off their escape route. Hester maneuvered her fire team through the kill zone and into a flanking position, where her squad leader, Staff Sergeant Timothy F. Nein, and her, assaulted a trench line with hand grenades and M203 grenade launcher rounds. Nein and Hester assaulted and cleared two trenches. During the 25-minute firefight, Hester killed 3 insurgents.[8]

    When the battle was over, 27 insurgents were dead, six were wounded, and one captured. Sergeants Nein and Hester were both awarded the Silver Star.[8] Nein’s medal was later upgraded to the Distinguished Service Cross.[9]

    Also awarded the Silver Star in this ambush was Specialist Jason Mike, a platoon medic who took up and simultaneously fired an M4 carbine and M249 SAW light machine gun in defense of his comrades.[8]

    Wow.

  73. Combine Dave

    Pakistan also has a nuclear weapons program, and spends more than Australia does on its military – about 3% of GDP IIRR.

    Not sure they need $47m large from Oz

    A better question –
    Why are we giving these arseholes so many hundreds of millions? Paying danegeld dont work. –

    The Indonesian House of Representatives’ Defence Commission has agreed to increase the country’s 2016 defence budget to IDR108.7 trillion (USD8.28 billion), a rise of 9.2% against the adjusted expenditure for the year.

    Australia’s foreign aid to Indonesia – $365.7 million of Australia taxpayers’ money. Wasted.

  74. Zyconoclast

    I welcome lady soldiers, if they wish to serve.

    I don’t.

    Firstly it is important to understand that female soldiers are not there to increase combat capability, they are there because lefty doctrine (political correctness) states that females are the equal of males and can do any job that males can do. Of course this is utter rubbish, particularly when it comes to jobs that require physical strength such as infantry.

    Even more importantly for the feminists, they are there so that women can be eligible to do the top jobs in the defence force, which traditionally (and quite rightly) go to combat soldiers.

    I agree with your second paragraph, but I think the main reason for this relates to the first paragraph. It will reduce the effectiveness of the ADF.
    It is the modern version of wharfie strikes on the docks during WWII.
    It is more sinister than virtue signalling. It is treason.

  75. calli

    A woman with a sniper rifle is a very deadly human being.

    Why did I immediately think of Anne and Gab? 😃

  76. C.L.

    … Hester led the attack on the ambushers.

    No she didn’t.

  77. OneWorldGovernment

    C.L.
    #2246566, posted on December 28, 2016 at 5:41 pm

    Just what the SAS needs: Jacqui Lambies.

    +100 LOL

  78. Drink-up Socrates

    I don’t have a reference handy, but apparently a scheme to put the M – 26 Pershing into production , in time to be landed on D – Day, was vetoed by George Patton on the grounds that “My Shermans can go faster, and they use less gas.”
    C.L.

    True, but his other argument came from his cavalry background. He naively believed that manoeuvre would negate tank to tank confrontation. His fellow Generals lacked the courage to knock down his idiotic views. Views based upon his total of one day in combat during WW1. A lot of good men died because of this man’s arrogance.

  79. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    My mountain guide was a real man, he had tremendous strength hauling me up over a difficult ledge or six while balancing with great stability. The power in that man’s arms, his stamina going to do it all again in more difficult terrain in the afternoon. The Ugly Sisters could not have done that.

    Some women should not be soldiers and I am one of them. But if my family was threatened and I could use a gun or get a sudden spitfire strength because no-one threatens my family and lives, I would be effective.

    Men in combat together with or leading women would always find their instinct was protective to them. Pfft did, and he wasn’t that way at all at the start. Just my simple instance, but instructive.

  80. calli

    Are you saying that they got a special spot in Heaven for that, as do their successors?

    No.

  81. Infidel Tiger

    Missionary work has helped hundreds of millions of people to better lives. It’s government that has forced home back into poverty and squalor.

  82. P

    Infidel Tiger
    #2246368, posted on December 28, 2016 at 1:13 pm

    Mark Steyn’s obituary for George Michael:
    http://www.steynonline.com/7652/going-solo

    Thanks IT.

    On Boxing Day (here) my daughter was devastated. She had attended his concert in Sydney 2010 (at a cost of $600 a ticket – drinks before and after included).
    She said seeing him perform live was unbelievable.

  83. JC

    Bruce

    I’m frankly surprised you’d consider a curve ball incident as anything other than that. That’s the sort of emotive nonsense you get from the Frightbattery and Q&A audiences. Women don’t belong anywhere near the battlefield….. but far from the line attending to nursing duties.

  84. johanna

    Pedro the Ignorant
    #2246524, posted on December 28, 2016 at 4:58 pm

    The Australian War Memorial had a British Mark IV WW1 tank on display for many years.

    It was removed from public view in 2008.

    The Mark IV will be familiar to those who have seen the Royal Australian Armoured Corps hat badge.

    Some pics here.

    Thanks, Pedro, that’s the one I saw.

    The pics don’t do it justice. It was about the size of half a semi-trailer, covered in studs, enormous treads, very scary.

    Not sure if it would be better to be inside it or out.

  85. Zyconoclast

    Remember this woman war hero?

    http://www.apfn.org/apfn/lynch.htm

    Not her fault of course.

  86. Bruce of Newcastle

    Women don’t belong anywhere near the battlefield….. but far from the line attending to nursing duties.

    Women don’t belong anywhere near engineering…?
    I’ve had half a lifetime of working with who I got and getting the job done.
    Leave off the arrogance JC, much that I enjoy it.

  87. Geriatric Mayfly

    A most disturbing photograph of a Mizzz Tilda Swinton at PJ Media. Not The Slapper born again surely.

  88. johanna

    It is immoral to send women into combat.

    Who is sending women into combat, Jupes?

  89. Rev. Archibald

    Bruce.
    1. Spare us your false modesty. They stuck you on the gun, therefore there is no way you were a below average digger. They only gave me the gun twice. One look at my short legs and it was almost always someone else’s to carry.
    2. You know chicks can’t do what we did. You know this. They bombed you up with up to 60 kg off shit and on zero sleep smashed you up hill and down dale all day. You stank like shit and probably got unruly at times. But you could do the job.
    3. You should not be giving civvies a false impression of the job. I have enough trouble with every second thirteen year old girl at school who wants to be a “sniper”. They seriously think they will apply for the job of sniper with Army.

  90. JC

    I’ve had half a lifetime of working with who I got and getting the job done.
    Leave off the arrogance JC, much that I enjoy it.

    Again, how does your anecdote prove anything?

    How about this deal for females wanting to study engineering, medicine or any of the hard sciences. Pay your own way and don’t expect the taxpayer to fund your study. Only 30% of female graduates who do engineering are still in it after a few years and this applies to other hard or applied science study.
    The 30% is evidence, not silly anecdotes. Evidence!

  91. Rev. Archibald

    There is good reason why they have two bayonet assault courses at Kapooka, one a foot shorter than the other.
    One is for females, one for males.
    Even so, the place was chock full of injured girl soldiers waiting to get discharged.

  92. Delta A

    125,000 houses in Adelaide currently have the cleanest, greenest energy in the world.

    None.

  93. JC

    And one other evidence of business becoming a feminized shitlhole. HR is infested with feminist vermin.

  94. calli

    Only 30% of female graduates who do engineering are still in it after a few years and this applies to other hard or applied science study.

    What percentage of males are still working in their original discipline after a few years, JC? It isn’t a smart*rse question, just thoughts on how careers develop.

  95. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    Missionary work has helped hundreds of millions of people to better lives. It’s government that has forced home back into poverty and squalor.

    I agree. I went to New Guinea as a university student and was impressed by the selfless work of missionaries in both education and health. They improved lives immeasurably. They were role models of how to assist others. The trained people and got out of the way when they could.

    And I hope their God rewards them for it. At least they can feel that they have contributed to the sum of human happiness and spiritual welfare somewhere on the planet. Which is not to say that some didn’t, some went for grandiose or stupid reasons – but not all, not by a long shot.

  96. Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce.
    1. Spare us your false modesty. They stuck you on the gun, therefore there is no way you were a below average digger. They only gave me the gun twice. One look at my short legs and it was almost always someone else’s to carry.

    I once did a range shoot with the M60 and scored zero. That is an achievement.
    Truth.
    I also got to carry the Charlie Gustav in exercises, which meant I had to shout *bang* during assaults.
    When you are big the Cpl takes one look at you and hands you ordnance.
    I was pretty good with an SLR though. Go figure.

    3. You should not be giving civvies a false impression of the job. I have enough trouble with every second thirteen year old girl at school who wants to be a “sniper”. They seriously think they will apply for the job of sniper with Army.

    I can imagine the lines of young female school students in front of the AAR stand at the local fete!
    😀

  97. johanna

    Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike
    #2246539, posted on December 28, 2016 at 5:19 pm

    No. Fucking. Idea.

    As someone who got the job of carrying a female soldiers pack for her – in addition to my own – at Northam Army camp, in late 1987, well said, jupes.

    You don’t get it, guys.

    Your ideas about the military are based in old war movies. But, even that is BS. In Spike Milligan’s war memoirs about his artillery unit, there were undernourished, short, scrawny guys who couldn’t read and had never owned a set of new clothes until they joined the army.

    Of course there are roles which involve physical strength. But even in WWII, there were many roles that didn’t. Same today.

    It seems to me that the affirmative action crowd and the no women ever crowd are deliberataely muddying the waters.

    Niether is very keen or merit.

  98. P

    Today the announcement of the death of Carrie Fisher for me brought back many memories.
    I remember when she was born, not long after “Bundle of Joy” starring both her parents was released.
    The death of Mike Todd a year or so later and Elizabeth Taylor being comforted by Eddie Fisher which later lead to their marriage was the talk of the day back then.

    My own three children were around 6, 8 and 10 when Princess Leia became part of their lives in the first Star Wars. Today they feel a loss.

  99. vr

    And one other evidence of business becoming a feminized shitlhole. HR is infested with feminist vermin.

    I like how the WSJ has an article every other day about female board directors — they latest is how there are 76 firms which have never had female directors. Never have understood the obsession with female directors. I’m sure most firms have janitors that are all male, but that doesn’t call for sanction.

  100. JC

    What percentage of males are still working in their original discipline after a few years, JC? It isn’t a smart*rse question, just thoughts on how careers develop.

    Much, much higher, Calli.

  101. calli

    Much, much higher, Calli.

    😃

  102. JC

    Calli

    A book I read a few months ago had all the stats. I’m out of the city and don’t have the title on Kindle. I think it was called “smart and sexy”. It has all the stats, in addition to explaining how young men are royally fucked.

  103. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    Your ideas about the military are based in old war movies

    No. Fvcking. Idea.

  104. Bruce of Newcastle

    Great live spot multicenturian Ian Healy interviewing multicenturian David Warner. A pair of completely deplorable bogans they are. Good stuff guys.

  105. JC

    Here’s a review on the book. It’s long but worth reading.

    In the human environment of evolutionary adaptation, high intelligence was primarily valuable in men, aiding them in the acquisition of resources and thus making them more attractive to women. Kaine believes that the female attraction to successful provisioning was the main driving force behind increased human intelligence (admittedly, this may be of little comfort to the man who sees the love of his life walking off with some guy who owns a fancy sports car).

    Intelligence was probably of less value to women directly in hunter-gatherer bands. Indeed, if humans had had a different system of sex differentiation—one like that of birds, for instance—women might have remained stuck at the mental level of Homo habilis while men were evolving higher intelligence. But the XY system allowed women to ride men’s coattails most of the way toward high intelligence—even though they are still less common among the most brilliant humans. It might even be argued that women have gotten the better evolutionary deal, since the ratio of men to women is even higher at the other end of the intelligence spectrum, among the retarded.

    Such, at least, is what one might conclude from a rational appraisal of the facts. But, of course, not everyone is able to appraise the facts rationally. In particular, as Kaine puts it, “the male advantages in technical ability and IQ . . . often engenders astonishing levels of envy among some women.” And these women wield so much power in the contemporary West that even standardized test designers live in fear of them. What might be termed “resentful woman theory” holds that boys and girls are born with equal ability in all domains, but that systematic bias from schools, parents and society at large puts girls at a disadvantage.

    As the author shows, there is a good deal of evidence to contradict such claims. Among takers of the SAT test, girls outnumber boys by 27 percent. The girls also have higher Grade Point Averages, with 44 percent more of them earning a perfect 4.0. The girls have enjoyed more years of coursework in all subject areas surveyed, including math and science, and have taken more AP courses, again including math and science. There is even some evidence of teacher bias in favor of girls, which Kaine speculates may be due to girls’ advantages in a number of behavioral traits unrelated to raw intelligence, including organization, dependability, self-discipline, and submissiveness to authority figures.

    For many years now, more young women than young men have been going to college, and since 2006, 58 percent of college degrees have gone to women. Yet it is still commonly asserted that there exists a problem of systematic discrimination against girls.

    A well-known critic of feminism, Christina Hoff Sommers, describes the prevailing mentality:

    Any advantage boys enjoy (such as better scores on standardized math tests or greater participation in sports) constitutes gender bias that must be aggressively combatted; any advantage girls enjoy (such as better scores on standardized reading tests or greater college attendance) constitutes a triumph of equality.

    The SAT omits visuospatial ability entirely, the area in which boys most clearly excel. Recently, the test has also been revised to include a writing portion in addition to the traditional verbal test. The writing test reinforces the relative female advantage in verbal ability as well as being, in the author’s words, “conveniently subjective.”

    Moreover, the math test (at which boys score on average 34 points higher than girls) has a low ceiling; in other words, a fair number of takers earn perfect scores, which makes it impossible for the truly exceptional to demonstrate their superior gifts. Most of those with such exceptional math gifts are, of course, boys.

    Boys also do better at tests of common knowledge than girls, and this has been shown to be g-related. But such questions have been removed from standardized tests in deference to largely bogus accusations that they are culturally biased.

    As Kaine points out, this is exactly how you would design tests if you wanted to obfuscate innate gender differences that showed men doing better than women. And, of course, that is part of the intention—to shield the testing companies from attacks by egalitarian ideologues. But the harm such tests do is not restricted to their unfairness to boys. The power and well-being of a modern nation depends significantly on the quality of those working in its so-called STEM fields: Science, Technology, Engineering and Math. Recruiting the best minds for training in these disciplines requires an objective aptitude test, and America is cheating itself of such a test in an effort to placate a relatively small number of resentful women. The consequences of this behavior are the disproportionate inclusion of women (as well as men with a sex-atypical verbal advantage) in STEM programs requiring primarily mathematical and visuospatial skills.

    Experience also shows that women are more likely than men to leave careers for which they have been expensively trained:

    40 percent of women who get a degree in engineering end up never even working in engineering or quitting very early in their career. For most careers the female opt-out rate clusters around 30 percent. Women with children work even less than this, with a range of 40-60 percent opting out over all professions and with most professions having around a 50 percent opt-out rate. These sorts of lifestyle choices are fine when the costs are born by the women who make them, but they are unacceptable when the costs are largely paid by society via wasting tax money on training that goes unused.

    The opting out of female medical doctors has resulted in diminished access for the public to medical services, particularly in the areas of general practice and pediatrics.

    Adding to the economic irrationality of training such women for technical careers is their well-attested preference for working fewer hours per week than men. This preference probably also contributes to the dearth of female high achievers; as the author notes, “world class performers typically work between 60-80 hours per week.”

    A similar situation prevails in the world of business. The costs shouldered by corporations forced to hire women to meet diversity quotas can be enormous. Replacing highly paid, specialized positions can cost up to 213 percent of the lost employee’s annual salary.

    One of the ways companies have responded to such ideologically inspired legal pressure is through the establishment of so-called Human Resource departments. Ninety to 93 percent of personnel in these departments are women, and their main function is

    navigating the large number of frivolous laws intended to benefit certain protected classes, such as women. In other words, they are not very useful outside the artificially created environment that results from the burdensome regulations of the state.

    Impartial studies have revealed that HR women often use their influence in the hiring process not to advance the interests of the company but to screen for potential boyfriends and exclude female rivals: better-looking men are more likely to be given job interviews, while better-looking women are less likely.

    Women’s move into the workplace has inevitably been accompanied by demands to remake workplaces so as to be more convenient to women. For example, one obvious consequence of female careerism is that many men are tempted to flirt with female coworkers. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with such behavior. As the author points out, flirting is something men have evolved to do, and “the species could not propagate without this behavior.” But most of these men do not come close to the wealthy movie stars and romance novel heroes with which the modern woman’s imagination has been filled. So women have demanded and gotten an administrative and legal regime which prohibits male flirting wherever it is “unwelcome” (i.e., whenever the man is unattractive). This is not merely unfair to these men. As the author points out, another “problem with criminalizing these men is that their labor and contributions are several orders of magnitude more valuable than the contributions of the women who make allegations.” It is also highly hypocritical on the part of women in view of their own demonstrated tendency, as described above, to use their jobs to advance their own sexual strategies.

    Government work, being unconstrained by the need for profitability, is better able to absorb the costs of hiring large numbers of women, and accordingly women are 50 percent more likely to work for the government than men. Almost 60 percent of state and local government workers are women.

    The feminists whose demands created our present employment regime want, in effect, for the cost of women’s behavior and decisions to be externalized to employers, customers, fellow employees and tax payers. Indeed, once all these hidden costs are factored out, it is unclear just how many “working” women are actually engaged in any sort of productive labor; the author suggests that the numbers may be as low as 30 percent, and there is little evidence women as a whole could ever become truly independent in the economic sense (although many women in the contemporary West are undoubtedly “independent” in the sense that they do as they please).

    The cure for such waste is simply not to have many women in highly demanding positions. If they must work, they can be restricted to positions able to tolerate lower dedication.

    The extension of political rights to women also involves high and sometimes hidden costs. Female influence in public life, wherever it exists, always follows a pattern which has been termed “the feminine imperative.” Kaine defines it as a “push to shape the social and legal institutions of society such that they benefit women specifically without much interest in whether those changes are harmful to men and civilization generally.” Thus, in contemporary America, women support the growth of the welfare state because its main beneficiaries are single mothers and the disproportionately female elderly population. Although the author does not discuss this, it has recently been suggested that female enthusiasm for “refugees” is a displacement of the maternal instinct to a domain where it is counterproductive. This whole question of the sources of female political behavior might be a fertile domain for scientific research once ideological controls are eased.

    The author notes that

    women have a long history of being the main driving force behind hysterical cultural movements that seek massive top down control of behavior. The temperance movement has a lot of similarity to modern rape and sexual harassment hysteria. In the past, this hysteria was considered a female-specific mental disorder; women seem to be especially susceptible to the combination of highly emotional, frenetic and illogical thinking characteristic of hysteria.

    But in recent decades, the very term “hysteria” has been banished from the vocabulary of psychiatry for what may be nothing more than ideological reasons.

    Feminists promised that the entry of women into the workforce would unleash enormous reserves of previously untapped human talent and usher in greater prosperity and happiness for all. Instead, it has imposed vast new costs, particularly on men and taxpayers as a whole. And women themselves do not seem particularly happy under the new arrangements either: one in four American women are now on some kind of psychiatric medication just to get through the day.

    The sexual consequences of this social revolution have been dire. White birthrates are below replacement across the West, and the most intelligent women are worst affected. As the author states, “the current average age of first birth for highly educated women is 32, and 1 in 4 highly educated women never have any children at all; a deeply dysgenic pattern.”

    Kaine is admirably forthright in drawing his conclusions:

    The once symbiotic relationship [between the sexes] has morphed into a parasitic relationship where women depend on the coercive power of the government to extract wealth from men while providing little to men in return. . . . In essence, this is a free rider problem in which women want the benefits of civilization, but do not cooperate with the needs of the group to make civilization possible. . . . Progressively larger amounts of money [are] being taken directly from the pockets of men to pay for a largely ungrateful and ever more demanding population of women. This is wealth that productive men should be spending on their own families and children. . . . Reversing the dire consequences of feminist inspired policies and cultural beliefs thus constitute an urgent and existential imperative for the West if it is going to survive.

    I couldn’t have put it better myself. If the West does survive, its future historians will marvel that a relative handful of women were able to turn the most advanced society in the history of the world upside down against the interests of the overwhelming majority of women and men merely to satisfy the imperatives of an ideology based on resentment and without any empirical support.

    I was unfamiliar with Roderick Kaine until I came across this book from Arktos. He is clearly a gifted writer with an unusual ability to combine technical mastery of the hard sciences with sound social and political thinking. I hope we shall be hearing more from him in the future.

  106. Eyrie

    I’ll go with Lt Col Tom Kratman on female soldiers.
    BoN is impervious to reason. You are wasting your time.

  107. BrettW

    JC,
    Yet again you trigger yourself based on the poster not the actual comments. I should have just written “test” ! Nothing anecdotal about the action I mentioned. It is a well documented event that you might not read about in trader magazines.

    I am against women in combat roles. However there have been a few examples where they have performed well in combat. However those cases do not change my mind about women in general in combat units.

    CL, you are being a bit picky. If you read what she did she led from the front although technically she was not the senior in the group.

  108. Diogenes

    Rev,
    I was the smallest in my section and was given the m60, only gave itupwhen i got my first stripe. My gunner then was a big greek bloke,and i often endedup carrying it for him. Later on my ROBC , i was again handed the m60 although the smallest in the section.

    I will never forget my first afx at unswr, they bought the ladies out into the field for a visit, as the next year was when the girls were going bush for the 1st time as the wraac was being disbanded. The only comment we got was that we smelled , and that after the company shower (ground sheet on a fire trial, water supplied by rfs, sprayed, soap up, sprayed again) 😝

    The range shoots were a blast, at least one girl was thrown back on her a**e or burst into tears (slr)

  109. Bruce of Newcastle

    BoN is impervious to reason.

    Yep. I’m right. You can’t reason right into not-right.
    😀

  110. JC

    However there have been a few examples where they have performed well in combat.

    Of course there would be a few example, but what does that prove, other than wasting pixels? Nothing . Zilch. Stick to Ray Hadley.

  111. johanna

    A woman with a sniper rifle is a very deadly human being.

    I rather suspect that JC already knows that.

    Go shave your back, JC. 🙂

    Behave, or we’ll dredge up that photo of you. Always fun when you’re (unbeknownst to your wife) making comments about feminine pulchritude. You might have to look the last word up.

    BTW, it’s days since we’ve heard about your last medical catastrophe. Not even an ingrown toenail since the last tummyache you complained about.

    Ptuing! Ptuing! Ptuing!

    I’m just playing around at this stage, like when bad guys in the movies shoot around the feet to make people dance.

    Think I’d be lacking in commitment as a soldier, dipshit?

  112. JC

    I’d tell you to go shave your legs Johanna, but you couldn’t reach down there.

  113. Notafan

    I think we should all be grateful for all the places where Christian missionaries beat muslim ‘missionaries’ in the proletising race.

    Through example rather than at the point of a sword millions have found the ‘one true faith’ and stuck to it.

    As for improvements in living standards I was reading somewhere that in 1990 37% of people on the planet were objectively poor while today only 10% are.

    So corruption and all aside things are better for millions of people.

    The good works are also well, good.

  114. JC

    Debbie Reynolds was Carrie Fisher’s mother? Didn’t know that.

  115. Infidel Tiger

    It wouldn’t matter if women were in fact better soldiers than men (which of course they aren’t. They are in fact bloody useless).Only a fallen society puts their sheilas and kiddies in harms way.

  116. Andrew

    Malcolm Turnbull faces a war on two fronts with aggressive campaigns from the ACTU and One Nation aimed at unwinding his January 1 pension changes that will cut payments for more than 330,000 Australians.

    I see the Narrative ™ has seamlessless changes from

    Millionaires rorting age pension and tax concessions at the expense of struggling wukkaz

    to

    Eeeebil Turnbull666 strips pension from 330,000 older Australians who saved their whole lives

    Not quite sure when that happened – GetUp is all over it too. The SLF voted for it and it now all over how double plus unfair it is.

    Fortunately we have a PM that can have a nuanced discussion with the public, bringing him along with his economic reforms and explaining why they are necessary and good for Jobson Grothe.

  117. calli

    Interesting reading, JC. Thanks. This interested me:

    The author notes that women have a long history of being the main driving force behind hysterical cultural movements that seek massive top down control of behavior. The temperance movement has a lot of similarity to modern rape and sexual harassment hysteria. In the past, this hysteria was considered a female-specific mental disorder; women seem to be especially susceptible to the combination of highly emotional, frenetic and illogical thinking characteristic of hysteria.

    The rush to call in the Umpire or the Rule Book. I reckon, from years of experience, that a lot of it is just hormonal. Or simple dissatisfaction.

    The weird thing is that it’s infecting males. Maybe the disenfranchised blokes are using the weapons that women used so effectively to get their way.

  118. JC

    The devil in me says let them see hard combat and include the gals if there’s ever a draft. It’s a lesson learning experience.

    The Israelis learned their lesson after the Leb incursion over a decade ago. The Haz almost kicked the shit out of them because of the female component bullshit.

  119. thefrollickingmole

    Tanks are especially horrible if the enemy has them, and you don’t.

    Unless you are Finnish, in which case its “a coffin for 7 brothers”…

  120. Kaine is admirably forthright in drawing his conclusions:

    The once symbiotic relationship [between the sexes] has morphed into a parasitic relationship where women depend on the coercive power of the government to extract wealth from men while providing little to men in return. . . . In essence, this is a free rider problem in which women want the benefits of civilization, but do not cooperate with the needs of the group to make civilization possible. . . . Progressively larger amounts of money [are] being taken directly from the pockets of men to pay for a largely ungrateful and ever more demanding population of women. This is wealth that productive men should be spending on their own families and children. . . . Reversing the dire consequences of feminist inspired policies and cultural beliefs thus constitute an urgent and existential imperative for the West if it is going to survive.

    Nephew is finding this out the hard way. His missus has been told repeatedly that after 12 years she will get the house/super/LSL/kids, and a weekly stipend that means she will never have to work again.
    Unable to get it through her thick skull that life isn’t like that.

  121. Bruce of Newcastle

    GetUp is all over it too

    Getup are advertising in prime time about the Turnbull Government screwing the health care system.
    I’ve no idea why they believe this is worthwhile, unless they have oodles of money or they think an election is in the offing.

  122. Women in the Armed Forces will come to a shuddering halt when the girls fall into the hands of the enemy, get seriously burnt, or come home in boxes.
    Mind you, the women demanding front line roles for da sistas will not be on the two way shooting range, no way. They’ll be the ones pinning medals on the shattered girls back home, who will finally work out they’ve been used for career enhancement.

  123. Makka

    The Dumb having a big long bitch about poor poor teachers. A train of sob stories, mental trauma, breakdowns for these overworked underpaid stalwarts of society. Led by some SJW from the Gratton Institute. Moaning about assessments, tests and other measurement metrics.

    What is clear is there is never enough funding, they are under appreciated social engineers , anything to do with measuring and delivering on performance is satanic and the poor souls are woefully underpaid for the God’s work they perform.

  124. Habib

    A lot of the witch mania of the 16th and 17th centuries was female driven. Even today women tend to be much more superstitious, and are far the biggest market for scams such as astrology, tarot reading and the like. My wifes family are black Irish and overwhelmingly female, any gathering is like a tardis trip to the reign of Brian Boru. The betafication of males in western society is driving a lot of weak and feeble-minded males to such folderol, it’s sad to see a culture and civilisation top itself, slowly, noisily and very messily.

  125. johanna

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    #2246600, posted on December 28, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    Missionary work has helped hundreds of millions of people to better lives. It’s government that has forced home back into poverty and squalor.

    I agree. I went to New Guinea as a university student and was impressed by the selfless work of missionaries in both education and health. They improved lives immeasurably. They were role models of how to assist others. The trained people and got out of the way when they could.

    And I hope their God rewards them for it. At least they can feel that they have contributed to the sum of human happiness and spiritual welfare somewhere on the planet. Which is not to say that some didn’t, some went for grandiose or stupid reasons – but not all, not by a long shot.

    Typical SJW crap. PNG is in a worse state that it was – and all those caring, sharing, feeling good about themselves lefties didn’t make a jot of difference.

    The missionary model has been an abject failure all over the world, except perhaps partially in China. But, it sure makes people feel good about themselves. Apparently, it is a favoured option for “gap year” rich kids in the UK. Before they go to uni, they take a year off to minister to the poor in far flung places, which adds no end to their CVs down the track. Fortunately, they manage to latch on to NGOs with hotel accommodation, air conditioned cars and security protection.

    At least the original missionaries took their chances.

  126. Bruce of Newcastle

    and include the gals if there’s ever a draft

    El Prez weighs in:

    Obama backs requiring women to register for the draft (2 Dec)

    He’s a lot of fun, although after this particular brain fart the Dems have been very quiet on the subject. Odd that.

  127. C.L.

    CL, you are being a bit picky. If you read what she did she led from the front although technically she was not the senior in the group.

    No no. The key question is: would a women-only unit have survived?
    It’s all very well to trawl the records for an action where there’s a bird involved (surrounded by men).
    That proves nothing.
    In fact, it just underscores the novelty – and war is no place for affirmative action novelty.

  128. johanna

    a review on the book. It’s long but worth reading.

    No, it’s not. It’s like dot setting us legal homework. Argue your point, with links, or shut up.

    P’toing!

  129. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    Women in the Armed Forces will come to a shuddering halt when the girls fall into the hands of the enemy, get seriously burnt, or come home in boxes.

    I’ll bet the push comes to a shrieking halt when the first images show up on You tube of Kufar soldier women, being taught the evil of their ways, at the hands of the mighty warriors of Allah.

  130. Rev. Archibald

    Hey, Diogenes
    You teach and were a digger? Yeah?

  131. Baldrick

    Bernie Sanders @SenSanders
    3 out of 4 black children will live under the poverty line for at least one year before they turn 18. That’s an abomination.
    12:13pm · 28 Dec 2016

    If only America had a black President … oh, wait …

  132. C.L.

    Speaking of women in combat … I see at Blair’s that Gillian Triggs has banned everything at the MCG.

  133. JC

    I did argue my point, you hissing hippo. Calli wanted further evidence, which i provided.

    You need serious help, you hysterical old boiler.

    It always degenerates. You just can’t keep those drunken demons on a leash.

  134. Notafan

    I do like feminists and their beta brothers.

    After years of calling Australian and no doubt all other western servicemen rapists they want women on the front line.

    Maybe that will make western soldiers less rapey or something but those sainted muslims who are pretty adamant that taking sex slaves in war time is particularly halal, what about them?

    Huuuggs.

  135. johanna

    I am against women in combat roles. However there have been a few examples where they have performed well in combat. However those cases do not change my mind about women in general in combat units.

    This is the male logic we are supposed to bow down to.

    You are against women in combat, except when you are not.

    The SJWs have scrambled the brains of many people.

    You continue to obfuscate the SJW agenda with merit. The SJWs must be pleased.

  136. Stackja

    Baldrick – Sowell said blacks poorer now because of welfare.

  137. Muddy

    Women in infantry will never happen in anything other than a token way, because despite the utter bollocks we hear repeatedly, female lives are valued more than the lives of males, and always have been. There has only ever been one disposable sex.

  138. Tom

    George Michael didn’t do self-awareness (Steyn):

    Speaking of world domination, in 2002 he released a “controversial music video” attacking George W Bush and portraying Tony Blair as the Americans’ poodle. You’d have to have a will of steel to resist succumbing to the temptation to mock, and I don’t. So in that Saturday’s Telegraph I wrote a column set in a public toilet with me, George, Bush, Blair and EU commissioner Chris Patten discussing the war on terror in terms of his early Wham! hits. Asked about it on a BBC show a couple of days later, George said sulkily, “Mark Steyn seems to think that if you’ve been arrested in a public toilet you have no credibility on foreign policy.”

    Still, that lyric from Careless Whispers (which he wrote in 10 minutes on a bus when he was 17) is timeless and awesome: “I’m never going to dance again/guilty feet have got no rhythm.” I’ll always love it in the same way I’ll always love Amy Winehouse’s inevitable, marvellous suicide note Back To Black. As Jack Nicklaus said in his eulogy at Arnie Palmer’s funeral: “Don’t be sad that it’s over; be glad that it happened.”

  139. Rev. Archibald

    Soldiers don’t magically appear in combat.
    They have to walk there.
    It is usually many, many, many kilometres, sometimes hundreds, over any type of terrain. The weather usually isn’t pleasant.
    You will have many kilograms of shit to carry.
    When you get there your main task will be patrolling: walking many kilometres carrying a lot of shit.
    That’s the job. Walking many kilometres carrying lots of shit.
    They don’t make those recruitment ads.

  140. johanna

    Notafan
    #2246624, posted on December 28, 2016 at 6:39 pm

    I think we should all be grateful for all the places where Christian missionaries beat muslim ‘missionaries’ in the proletising race.

    Through example rather than at the point of a sword millions have found the ‘one true faith’ and stuck to it.

    What places would they be? When? How?

  141. Gab

    The training requirements for females in all areas of defence forces are set lower than for the males.

    So much for the harpies banging on about da equality. Only when it suits them.

  142. Habib

    Carrying your own shit if fully tactical. They certainly don’t make those ads. Or issue ziplocks. Fortunately ratpacks clog you more than a Brisbane merging lane on Boxing Day.

  143. .

    Join the Army! Destroy your lower back, knees, ankles and possibly ruin your eyes and lungs when a comms battery explodes. Join now!

    Yep.

    Another mate said:

    This military career is bullshit. I call it “going to school 2.0.”

    Yes old son, but you also bought a brand new Monaro when we were 22.

  144. johanna

    I’d tell you to go shave your legs Johanna, but you couldn’t reach down there.

    I can touch my toes, no problem. Just checked, and I can put my big toe in my mouth (yuk!)

    You have this fantasy concept of me which apparently fulfils one/some of your many inadequacies.

    Poor you.

  145. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    Fortunately ratpacks clog you more than a Brisbane merging lane on Boxing Day.

    Brutal, but true.

  146. Muddy

    You don’t see much agitation for equalidy in terms of annual workplace deaths.

  147. Gab

    Thanks for that rather humourous travelogue, Lizzie. I envy the weather over there as it’s 7.30pm here and 37degC.

  148. .

    johanna
    #2246643, posted on December 28, 2016 at 7:05 pm
    a review on the book. It’s long but worth reading.

    No, it’s not. It’s like dot setting us legal homework. Argue your point, with links, or shut up.

    P’toing!

    Fuck off. When I make a point in that same manner, you then rant about how I don’t know what I’m talking about, without making a substantive argument.

    You just like being the centre of attention.

  149. Drink-up Socrates

    A woman with a sniper rifle is a very deadly human being.
    Has anyone ever met one who was not a sniper?

  150. Tom

    The once symbiotic relationship [between the sexes] has morphed into a parasitic relationship where women depend on the coercive power of the government to extract wealth from men while providing little to men in return. . . . In essence, this is a free rider problem in which women want the benefits of civilization, but do not cooperate with the needs of the group to make civilization possible. . . . Progressively larger amounts of money [are] being taken directly from the pockets of men to pay for a largely ungrateful and ever more demanding population of women. This is wealth that productive men should be spending on their own families and children. . . . Reversing the dire consequences of feminist inspired policies and cultural beliefs thus constitute an urgent and existential imperative for the West if it is going to survive.

    Word-perfect. Even the highest-IQ chicks I know have trouble with logic and reason, so they will continue to ride men until they destroy the civilisation that white men built.

  151. johanna

    Oh, FFS, make up your minds:

    #2246629, posted on December 28, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    Interesting reading, JC. Thanks. This interested me:

    The author notes that women have a long history of being the main driving force behind hysterical cultural movements that seek massive top down control of behavior. The temperance movement has a lot of similarity to modern rape and sexual harassment hysteria. In the past, this hysteria was considered a female-specific mental disorder; women seem to be especially susceptible to the combination of highly emotional, frenetic and illogical thinking characteristic of hysteria.

    This is the classic “Dammned Whores or God’s Police” rubbish that so appealed to SJWs in the 1970s. Get over yourselves, women are not a homogenous group that agree about everything and all want the same things.

  152. Bruce of Newcastle

    When you get there your main task will be patrolling

    Hehe. Once I volunteered for a weekend of AAR stuff as I needed the money. We were designated victims to be taught Patrolling. OC kiddies had their exams and needed an audience to train da troops in Patrolling. I had a weekend’s pay sitting at desks listening to the cadets teaching me Patrolling. After a few sessions we were all hitting 100% in the after-lecture tests, to the amusement of everyone except the poor candidate, whose bowels had frozen and diapers had filled, or something. Having been taught about a dozen times about the importance of Patrolling I know it well. 😀

  153. Woolfe

    Roll of toilet paper makes great pillow.

    I used to do 5 day walking / op/ ambush patrols carrying 20 litre back pack, radio, spare batteries, fn, 120 rounds (6mags) 7.62 long, couple of m62 and white phos grenades, webbing, water, sleeping bag, bivvy and other stuff. Always made room for toilet paper.

  154. Siltstone

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.
    #2246600, posted on December 28, 2016 at 6:08 pm

    Lizzie “…was impressed by the selfless work of missionaries in both education and health. They improved lives immeasurably. They were role models of how to assist others. The trained people and got out of the way when they could.”
    From my observations of the post-missionary phase in a number of remote places, I agree with Lizzie. (They were never there to be the government).

  155. H B Bear

    125,000 houses in Adelaide currently have the cleanest, greenest energy in the world.
    None.

    Sure it is fine at the moment. Wait until they start cooking using their own dung.

  156. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspreeklike

    True, but his other argument came from his cavalry background. He naively believed that manoeuvre would negate tank to tank confrontation. His fellow Generals lacked the courage to knock down his idiotic views. Views based upon his total of one day in combat during WW1. A lot of good men died because of this man’s arrogance.

    Interesting comment, indeed.

    Stephen Napier makes the point that it was Patton who refused the upgunned 76mm Shermans in favor of continuing with those with the inadequate 75mm gun. Re equipping with new tanks would be too difficult, while the fighting was going on. Another biographer says that Patton resolved on capturing the fortress city of Metz by frontal assault, because he believed himself the reincarnation of a long line of warriors, and he wanted to be the first to capture Metz in such fashion…..Fortunately, Market Garden was coming unstuck a few miles to the North, so nobody asked too many questions…

  157. Hydra

    A woman with a sniper rifle is a very deadly human being.
    Has anyone ever met one who was not a sniper?

    I’ve called it. The internet has been won. Turn it off kiddos.

  158. calli

    johanna
    #2246669, posted on December 28, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    Joh, am I not permitted to find something interesting? Is this a Rule that I have missed?

    Women are not homogenous, just like the fellas. That’s why I enjoy this place.

  159. Muddy

    Wait until they start cooking using their own dung.

    I see an opportunity for ‘fairness’ via taxation. Malcolm?

  160. johanna

    JC
    #2246630, posted on December 28, 2016 at 6:46 pm

    The devil in me says let them see hard combat and include the gals if there’s ever a draft. It’s a lesson learning experience.

    The devil in me says that I would be queueing behind your wife for the matching pair of hairy eaarings if she had a clue about the sleazy, low-rent, pseudo-macho rubbish that you spout here when she’s not looking.

  161. Hydra

    Baldrick – Sowell said blacks poorer now because of welfare.

    And he is exactly right.

  162. calli

    Joh, am I not permitted to find something interesting? Is this a Rule that I have missed?*

    Whoops, missed a bit.

    * hysteria™ 😃

  163. Top Ender

    Story in the Oz – and link at the bottom to nominate. Note for Oz awards not AOTY.

    The Australian’s Australian of the Year award celebrates the nation’s top achievers. Here is one nominee for 2016.

    The good samaritans who rushed to the aid of a man who was almost stabbed to death in an Islamic State-­inspired attack in southwestern Sydney this year are being recognised with a nomination to become The Australian’s Australian of the Year.

    Wayne Greenhalgh, a 57-year-old carpenter, was attacked while walking in his Minto neighbourhood on September 10. Ihsas Khan, 22, allegedly stabbed Mr Greenhalgh with a hunting knife in the chest, arms and hands.

    Neighbour Sivei Ah Chong, 43, hit the assailant with a plank of wood taken from his fence as Mr Greenhalgh sought refuge in a nearby home hairdressing salon.

    Mr Ah Chong’s son Derek said: “Dad kept saying to him, ’Drop the knife or I will hit you’ and he (Mr Khan) just said ‘Do it, I want you to do it’. Then my Dad grabbed the piece of wood he had used before and smashed him over the head again and he backed off then and he looked a bit dazed.

    “He then started yelling ‘Call the police, call the police, I want them to come and shoot me, I want to die today’.

    “Wayne had knife wounds to his arms and neck and his hands from trying to protect himself,” Derek Ah Chong said.

    Mr Greenhalgh has said if his neighbours had not distracted the attacker, he would have been stabbed again. “Had they have not stopped him, I would have been dead for sure, because I was running away. I couldn’t protect myself,” he said.

    Mr Greenhalgh has since survived a 10-hour operation and Mr Khan remains behind bars.

    The Australian’s Australian of the Year will be judged by a panel of editors and announced on January 21.

    Readers are welcome to nominate their choices for 2016. You can submit your nomination for the 2016 award via the form here.

    Doubtless the link won’t work for most cos paywall, but anyway….

  164. Drink-up Socrates

    But did anyone of significance die in the past few days?

  165. Notafan

    Christians have been missionaries for about 2000 years.

    Obviously been more successful in some places than others.

    The competitive with islam has sometimes been rather fierce.

  166. JC

    The devil in me says that I would be queueing behind your wife for the matching pair of hairy eaarings if she had a clue about the sleazy, low-rent, pseudo-macho rubbish that you spout here when she’s not looking.

    With the attitude you show here, it still hasn’t it sunk in why you’re living alone, has it?

  167. OneWorldGovernment

    So, the Australian Aboriginals have NOTHING to take off us.

    Sue the Churches you miserable bastards and leave us alone.

  168. JC

    I can touch my toes, no problem. Just checked, and I can put my big toe in my mouth (yuk!)

    Charming and ladylike. Put up a pick on Instagram with you doing just that.

  169. Sydney Boy

    There are currently three women serving in infantry battalions in Townsville.

  170. Gab

    The repeated mentions of JC’s wife by Joanna is bunny-boiler stuff.

  171. JC

    There are currently three women serving in infantry battalions in Townsville.

    A boom.

  172. johanna

    Word-perfect. Even the highest-IQ chicks I know have trouble with logic and reason, so they will continue to ride men until theI suspect that it reflects on your choice of acquaitnces.y destroy the civilisation that white men built.

    Could it be that it reflects on your choice of acquaintances?

    Tell us, are the Kittehs here incapable of logic and reason? Or is it just that their IQs are too low?

    Get a grip. You are sounding like a loser beta male who can’t get a girl.

  173. Notafan

    Fr Tom, the priest who was kidnapped in Yemen in March when the four sisters of Charity and 12 lay helpers were murdered by isis has now been videoed begging for his life.

    Speaking of missionaries

  174. C.L.

    There are currently three women serving in infantry battalions in Townsville.

    Those shirts aren’t going to iron themselves.

  175. JC

    Tell us, are the Kittehs here incapable of logic and reason?

    You are. You have appalling ability in judgement and logic. In most instances , when you go away in a huff – not to appear for a while – it’s usually because you’ve been shown up to be an illogical angry drunk with borderline personality disorder. You will excuse this by saying … oh it’s JC saying this so it doesn’t matter… It does matter though, because there’s not a word of untruth in what I’m saying.

    You have no ability to argue because you’re too emotional and a loudmouth.

  176. JC

    It’s a worry Gab. She appears to be ferociously fascinated in me. It’s the ferocious thing that’s worrying.

  177. Mark A

    I was impressed by the selfless work of missionaries in both education and health. They improved lives immeasurably. They were role models of how to assist others. The trained people and got out of the way when they could.

    Missionaries never improved the economic live of the natives, admittedly that never was their primary goal, they were in the soul rescuing and harvesting business.

    The lot of the natives started to improve when colonial administration made it happen.

    PNG has gone backwards since independence at an alarming rate and I see no improvement for the foreseeable future. They depend on foreign aid and China, almost a semi colonial dependence.
    Having said that, for most of the previously colonised nations like India etc. the colonial economic and organisational experience gave them a tremendous kick start and they made good use of it.
    Some not so much

  178. Gab

    Fr Tom, the priest who was kidnapped in Yemen in March when the four sisters of Charity and 12 lay helpers were murdered by isis has now been videoed begging for his life.

    May God help him because his pleas to this current pope will fall on deaf ears.

  179. Hydra

    Story in the Oz – and link at the bottom to nominate. Note for Oz awards not AOTY.

    A great initiative.

    I might nominate the bloke who blasted the petrol station lighter with a fire extinguisher when I get home, or the two tradies that ran into the bank on fire.

  180. Andrew

    I suggested that Adelaide simply report when the power is ON ato save time. (Also, its much easier for them than reporting when it’s off, because they have no power to get the message out.)

    Hopefully they will take this advice on board.

  181. Top Ender

    Big Xmas Oops!

    Qld officer ‘drunk on duty’ is suspended

    A senior Queensland police officer has been suspended after she allegedly brandished her gun while drunk on duty.

    The 51-year-old faces a series of misconduct allegations, including posting inappropriate comments in a Facebook spat.

    She has been suspended from operational duties while the case is investigated by the Ethical Standards Command.

    From the Oz – no link

  182. jupes

    So I get the guys to do what they’re good at

    Combat.

    and the gals to do what they’re good at.

    Not combat.

    A woman with a sniper rifle is a very deadly human being.

    Some might be, however the sniper rifle has to get to where it can be effective. Sometimes this might involve carrying it for long distances. And sometimes the rifle might need to stay at the place where it can be effective for long periods, and there might be no water or food there. So all that shit will have to be carried over that long distance.

    Just because women can be good at engineering Bruce doesn’t mean they can be good at combat soldiering. Don’t fall for that politically correct bullshit. Next you’ll be quoting David Morrison to us.

  183. Geriatric Mayfly

    A curtain comes down on the days when “breaking news” was transmitted by the ringing of the bells. The Whitechapel Bell Foundry closed on December 2. Going back to the sixteenth century and maybe the fifteenth, it was the earliest manufacturing site in Britain. The Liberty Bell and Big Ben are the best known
    chimes to come from this foundry.

  184. Makka

    Missionaries never improved the economic live of the natives, admittedly that never was their primary goal, they were in the soul rescuing and harvesting business.

    Many people would not have even been born were it not for missionary clinics to perform or assist with deliveries. Missionaries helped school kids, run clinics, teach basic agriculture and spread the civilised word. They taught basic health and hygiene and even promoted coastal trade in some areas.

    Don’t tell me missionaries didn’t improve the lives of many because that’s bullshit. I’ve lived in enough places to see the reality. It’s common for people to fondly acknowledge their past interaction with missionaries and they in fact miss their presence.

  185. Gab

    And sometimes the rifle might need to stay at the place where it can be effective for long periods, and there might be no water or food there. So all that shit will have to be carried over that long distance.

    And sometimes you have to lay there in heavy camouflage in the heat and not move or make a sound for hours and hours and with no toilet facilities and go without sleep for long periods.

  186. johanna

    Fuck off. When I make a point in that same manner, you then rant about how I don’t know what I’m talking about, without making a substantive argument.

    You just like being the centre of attention.

    I was accused of stalking someone who I hadn’t commented on in more than a month, now I’m being accused of wanting to be the centre of attention when I have been away for most of the Christmas paeriod, and have barely had a peep until today.

    I really do need to redo that TAFE Cert IV in providing explanations for other people’s fantasies.

  187. Sydney Boy

    There are currently three women serving in infantry battalions in Townsville.

    Those shirts aren’t going to iron themselves.

    Sorry, CL, perhaps I wasn’t clear. There are more than a dozen women serving in the infantry battalions in Townsville, however there are 3 who are ECN 343 – rifleman.

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  189. Top Ender

    News radio is making an issue of Japanese PM Abe not apologising at Pearl Harbor.

    Then again, for once Obama got it right on his recent visit where he didn’t apologies for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

  190. HP OfficeJet Pro X576dw

    Print test in colour

  191. JC

    Never knew this.

    The official title of the British PM

    The First Lord of the Treasury is the head of the commission exercising the ancient office of Lord High Treasurer in the United Kingdom, and is now always also the Prime Minister.

    Great title, should have kept it in use. I wonder if ours carries the same ancient name too.

  192. Bazkhasi the Moabite

    Archaeological test

  193. a room full of senior citizens

    Bingo test

  194. calli

    New, freshly ironed thread.

    This way ➡️➡️➡️➡️➡️↩️

  195. Thethil the Aththyrrian Athaththin

    Elocution test

  196. Dumbledore's Ghost

    Magical test

  197. Egbert of Normandy

    Testing them Saxons

  198. johanna

    Gab
    #2246696, posted on December 28, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    The repeated mentions of JC’s wife by Joanna is bunny-boiler stuff.

    Sad.

  199. a Hoover vacuum cleaner

    This test sucks

  200. a Hoover vacuum cleaner

    Not a test

  201. A garden gnome called Hammerfist Ironbiter

    Garden test

  202. Englebert Humperdinck

    Musical test

  203. C.L.

    A woman with a sniper rifle is a very deadly human being.

    Watch the film bio, American Sniper.
    There’s a lot more to being one than lying in wait and pulling a trigger.
    A sniper has to be combat and action-ready.

  204. Epson Workforce WF-100

    A testing test

  205. Stackja

    Gab – Erin Molan went to Hobart on yacht, no sleep no toilets.

  206. JC

    She is right Johanna.

    This once I’ll give you some advice. Go on old folk tinder and try to meet a guy. If you manage to get a ping, do not conduct any email conversation with him unless you’ve checked with me or someone I’ll deputise in my absence.

    Figure out a bio and we’ll vet it here. Post it.0

    In the bio say you love cooking cleaning and keeping a man happy. Hope to hear what come up with. Nofrightbatting!

  207. P

    After WWII women were accredited with being as capable as men in many fields, for they had proven their worth in so many skills during the war when they had to take over factory work, farm work, driving trams and buses etc. I was too young to remember this but I do recall that this attitude lasted in the years after the war till some time after 1950 when then women were given aprons and mixmasters, and girls were encouraged to learn home economics with less emphasis on career, and this soon became the order of the day which lasted for the next decade.
    I remember it because all my dreams of becoming the next Amelia Earhart which were earlier encouraged seemed to almost suddenly become impossible or at least unacceptable.

  208. Snoopy

    Been busy today helping No. 2 daughter move. FMD why do today’s young’uns own so much shit? Then the fuckers have the hide to whinge about how tough things are.

    But back to tanks. I recall someone once observing that nothing attracted attention like a moving fox hole.

  209. Rev. Archibald

    Are they as capable as men at realising they are posting on the old thread P?
    Situational awareness.
    Probably a good thing you didn’t end up like Amelia.

  210. Habib

    Watch the film bio, American Sniper.
    There’s a lot more to being one than lying in wait and pulling a trigger.
    A sniper has to be combat and action-ready.
    And his dozy missus kept ringing him when he was lining up some hadji. “Don’t ring me at bloody work, dear”. Complete cobblers of course.

  211. Infidel Tiger

    Quick observation: Australians are dressing better now than any other time in the last 30 years.

    There has suddenly been a dramatic change. Young men in particular jackets and trousers are back.

    Airports are still abysmal.

  212. johanna

    Cut the crap, and tell me where those 150 years worth and countless amounts of money spent by Christian missions in Africa have made a difference that can be measured, especially against what they have cost in terms of both money and human lives. You read the US missionary societies’ newsletters in the 1870s and they were full of hope – the Lord’s Spirit is moving around these people and so on.

    We regret that our brother Fred Nurk died of fever last week. More money is needed

    It didn’t work then, and it doesn’t work now.

    It does, however, seem to satisfy a need to be seen to be doing good in some people.

  213. Kevin Gillett

    Women in combat. I’ve commanded men in battle and men and women in Australia and these are my thoughts
    1. It’s a load carrying issue with women in combat arms, particularly Infantry. Johanna – go to Bunnings buy two bags of cement (20 kilo bags) put one on each shoulder and carry them to your car. You most probably will be pulled up at put one on each shoulder but if you do get to the car keep walking, say for 14 days, whilst carrying those bags on your shoulder.
    Then there’s the filthy conditions – believe me you don’t want to go there
    Yes, I’m an old soldier but I talk to the young ones and they carried about the same weights in Afghanistan as I did in Vietnam and as my Grandfather did in South Africa during the Boer War’
    2. Doing what comes natural. Young Pte Kev, if on gun picquet with a girl soldier, would not be watching his front, he’d be watching hers. it’s nature.
    3. Social. I’ve risked my life and the lives of those under my command because, amongst other reasons, I wanted a secure and safe nest back home for the women. I certainly didn’t want to put them in danger and nor did my troops.

    Back to the physical bit. Daughter did Ready Reserve years ago when at Uni. I pushed her to run and do pull ups because she needed superior upper body strength and endurance to pass through Kapooka (basic training). I warned her it was a male profession and she would suffer. She, and every other women on the course were eventually medically downgraded due to lower back issues and the 12 week standard recruit courses were cut to six weeks to accommodate the girls. Daughter had back pain for years – girls are not heavily endowed with upper body strength.

    Infantry, it’s too tough.
    Other Corps and Arms – go for it. Hydraulics makes everyone strong.

  214. .

    Kev

    What say if you had a chicklet who could deadlift two plates a side apart from being able to run 10 miles under 100 minutes? It’s isn’t huge but it is a good start. It is also achievable.

    I doubt most women in the military could do either, BTW.

  215. Kevin Gillett

    There’s plenty of outliers and I’ve met some but an army recruits from the general population. I have another daughter that climbed to Everest Base Camp and did the Sandakan Death March walk but I wouldn’t wish Infantry on even her.

  216. Viva

    Women service members who experience combat are apparently as resilient as the men they serve alongside, according to a study published by the American Psychological Association.

    Men and women deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan in 2007 and 2008 experienced very similar levels of combat-related stress and post-deployment mental health impacts during the first year following return from deployment, researchers reported in the Journal of Abnormal Psychology®, published by APA.

    “Contrary to popular belief, women who go to war respond to combat trauma much like their male counterparts,” said lead author Dawne Vogt, PhD, of the Veterans Administration National Center for PTSD and Boston University School of Medicine. “And with the unpredictable guerilla tactics of modern warfare, barring women from ground combat is less meaningful.”

    http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2011/06/women-warriors.aspx

    And guys – can we please lay off the “ladies” schtick – it’s like a throwback to the fifties around here sometimes.

  217. Rev. Archibald

    And guys –

    ..
    I hate being called. “Guy”.
    “Hey guys”.
    You sound like a lame primary school teacher.
    You should refer to us in our preferred way:
    “Excuse me, your Lords High Humunguses…”

  218. Habib

    Guys are what we set on fire on cracker night. The rot set in when both these cultural norms became extinct.

  219. JimD

    Awaiting moderation.
    WTF. didn’t say joos.

  220. Mick Gold Coast QLD

    From Viva at 9:25 pm:

    “And guys – can we please lay off the “ladies” schtick – it’s like a throwback to the fifties around here sometimes.”

    Many participants in the discussion, widely variant views, civilised discourse – mostly, examples cited, sources identified, personal experiences recounted, some speak with passion and others with detachment – an interesting, free flowing exchange of views.

    A dozen or more people involved and they’ve all somehow got something wrong? Something obtuse … ““ladies” schtick” could mean anything. What part of the fifties was so very horrid?

  221. Siltstone

    Makka @ 8:27
    True. It is the mission educated older generation that hold any semblance of hope against the effects of government provided “solutions” to problems.

  222. egg_

    Mark Steyn’s obituary for George Michael:
    http://www.steynonline.com/7652/going-solo

    Quite good.
    Whilst Bowie’s themework was innovative, Michael was the bigger talent IMHO.

  223. egg_

    Aunty replayed Carrie Fisher’s last appearance on The Last Leg and she did appear a little under the weather at the time.

  224. Zyconoclast

    New thread started at 8:30pm
    Come on over there is plenty of room

  225. BorisG

    Word-perfect. Even the highest-IQ chicks I know have trouble with logic and reason,

    Who is the judge? Tom? Ha-ha 🙂

  226. Elizabeth (Lizzie) B.

    It is the mission educated older generation that hold any semblance of hope against the effects of government provided “solutions” to problems.

    Yes. And PNG received its Independence far too early. Very few were capable of handling democratic institutions at that time, tribalism was still rife and still is, and Big Man traditions transferred straight into corruption at governmental level. The necessary paternalism and guidance of missions was ideally needed for another couple of generations for this stone-age culture to turn about and become capable of democratic decision-making; in PNG it didn’t happen. Same goes for the current Middle East, where the stranglehold of fundamentalist Islam continues its form of social and economic enslavement.

    Democracy stood a greater chance on the Indian sub-continent, in no small part due to the extensive economic, social and political role of missionaries over two hundred odd years. I have experience of living in India for a whole year, and New Guinea for two months. Statements refusing to recognise the significant cultural base introduced by missionaries to shithole and backward countries are sheerly oppositional bravado from someone with an anti-Christian barrow to push. No substantive economic case has been made by such dismissive bravado; how do you put a price on the introduction of education, health and Western civilisation itself? That base still exists despite the depredations of corrupt politicians in third-world countries especially in Africa. It provides the only possible way out of disintegration. Those locals trying to clean up these messes in colonised countries which were unready for self-rule and democracy are thankful today that missionaries showed the way to honesty, decency, literacy and Christianity. It is not SJW thinking to see this, it is common sense.

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