Give it up, Bronnie

Bronwyn Bishop is obviously still smarting over her ‘unfair’ treatment after she was caught taking a helicopter for a 90 kms trip to attend a party fund-raiser courtesy of taxpayers.

Get over it, I say.  This didn’t come close to passing the pub test and if this action was ‘within the rules’, it just tells us how inadequate are the rules.

Now she has weighed into the Sussan Ley saga – can’t see her coming back – blaming socialists for her demise. Que?  Socialists just love spending other people’s money, so they are hardly going to complain about a politician helping herself.

This included attending two New Year Eve parties on the Gold Coast hosted by Sarina Russo who has made her money taking money from the taxpayer for dubious training and employment schemes.  I just can’t believe these attendances pass the rules; they certainly don’t pass the pub test. (Is Russo a big donor to the Liberal Party?)

As for Turnbull, it is over a year since the Tune/Conde report with its multiple recommendations was handed down.  Let’s face it, he has simply sat on it because he doesn’t want to rock the boat with his lukewarm supporters who push the current rules to the limit.

And of course this stuff is bipartisan – Labor doesn’t want the rules changed either.  Who can forget Tony Burke taking his family to Uluru – for official business, of course.  Or Wayne Swan and Julia Gillard jetting off to weddings of staffers.

Here’s the thing, Bronnie: it’s a complete racket in which parliamentarians have a lend of ordinary folk.  It’s got nothing to do with socialists or misogyny for that matter.

Former speaker Bronwyn Bishop has jumped to the defence of Sussan Ley, accusing socialists of tearing her down and arguing that double standards exist for women and men in politics.

Ms Bishop, who was herself forced to resign after claiming $5227 in taxpayer-funded expenses for a helicopter ride to a Liberal Party fundraiser, said Ms Ley’s critics were ideologically motivated and fuelled by the “Twitterati” and 24-hour news.

Ms Ley stood aside as Health Minister on Monday morning pending the outcome of an investigation into her travel claims, following revelations she bought an $800,000 apartment on a taxpayer-funded trip to Gold Coast and has taken 27 flights in and out of the area in recent years, including two for New Year’s Eve engagements.

Ms Bishop said that she didn’t have specific knowledge of how Ms Ley’s travel was arranged “but I do know that there are socialists out there who want to attack free enterprise and anyone who sticks up for it. And I know that socialists, like alcoholics, will blame anyone but themselves. And whereas alcoholics can damage their own families, socialists can destroy the whole country.” (Completely bonkers)

The former speaker said the two inquiries into Ms Ley’s expenses – by the Department of Finance and Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet – should be allowed to run their course without the cabinet minister “being attacked by people behaving like a pack of dogs”.

“But let’s understand that there are people out there who wish to destroy free enterprise and those who stick up for it. Whereas socialism, which is always on the march, if you expose it, it can be defeated. And be under no illusions, whenever you see some of these arguments come to the fore, there will always be an ideological component,” the former member for Mackellar told Sky News.

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72 Responses to Give it up, Bronnie

  1. Roger

    Is Russo a big donor to the Liberal Party?

    Um…yes!

  2. the sting

    Not only parliamentarians should be looked at but all public servants and their travel expenses as well.Why do we need ABC ”reporters” swanning around on overseas junkets when the topics they cover are reported by commercial media ?

  3. C.L.

    Good Lord.
    She’s still alive?

  4. entropy

    The entitlement is strong with this one.

  5. Tel

    I respect Bronwyn Bishop’s efforts to stand up against socialism… but when there’s an easily visible gap between the leader’s understanding of “normal” and what the rest of the country think of as “normal” you basically give those socialists a free kick.

  6. J.H.

    They just can’t help themselves, can they?….. Or more’s the point. They just can’t stop helping themselves.

    The bigger that Taxpool, the more swamp filth it attracts. There’s probably a clue in there somewhere.

  7. BorisG

    if this action was ‘within the rules’, it just tells us how inadequate are the rules.

    In order to make a rational decision about this we need to check it against managers in businesses of comparable size. Take the size of government, see what role she has in it (say no. 10) and determine what mode of transport and class of travel they would use.

    Politician get much lower pay than comparable people in the industry but their time is equally valueable so they should be treated more on less on par.

  8. Zyconoclast

    When was the last time BB mentioned the word socialist?

  9. EB

    Good lord, senility comes on fast.

  10. Habib

    Russo is a major donor to both parties, seeing as she’s farting through silk due to patronage it’s for once a worthwhile investment. The fact that such cronyism with zero public benefit is enabled by both majors shows how little difference there actually is between them, and how both treat their employers with ipen and utter contempt. Firing from a large bore cannon into a brick wall at close range would be snusing and entertaining, but far too civilised and humane for these human hookworms.

  11. Joe

    I can’t believe the amount of jealousy reflected in the comments on this and the other so-called rorting thread.

    Good God people, one of the few pleasures of public life is being wined and dined for free along with travel. Here you all are whining like little children, WHAH I’m not getting any mommy, why should she get some! WHAH!. Get a grip!

    The sums involved are petty change and the whole thing stinks of a distraction, designed to distract the little minds of the right that believe they are more righteous than anyone else.
    Just because you have morals, please do us the courtesy of not infecting the rest of us with them.

    I re-iterate, give the MP’s and senators free access to dining and travel and stop this idiotic witch-huntery of Salem proportions.

  12. Habib

    Politician(sic) get much lower pay than comparable people in the industry but their time is equally valueable so they should be treated more on less on par.

    Bullshit. Who in any industry would employ any of these incompetent, larcenous personality bypasses in a janitorial role, let alone anything with sny responsibility? They go into politics precisely gecause they’d never have sny money, power, prestige or future if rekying on their meagre talents; also if they actually were out into a position of substance by some hideous IT error by HR, they would be personally liable for the inevitable fuckup that’d ensue.

  13. Habib

    Pity it’s not a hunt on Salem rules, I’d line up for a jolly good pressing.

  14. Leo G

    Bronnie’s pub test certainly doesn’t raise the bar:
    “This is an ex-government minister, free-enterprise stick-up.
    Any objectors?”

  15. egg_

    actually were put into a position of substance by some hideous IT error by HR

    Major Major Major Major Fvckups?

  16. Pedro the Ignorant

    Well done Sus(s)an Ley and Bronwyn Bishop.

    You just pissed off a yuuuge swathe of conservative voters and quite possibly doomed the LNP to political oblivion. Too late to start bleating about “within the rules” and “I will pay it back”, the damage is done.

    Self awareness is not a strong point with these pointy headed fools.

    Bring back the stocks.

  17. wal1957

    The ‘swill’ that call themselves politicians deserve all the abuse that is heaped upon them.
    The ‘entitlements’ argument does not pass the ‘pub test’.
    No wonder politicians of all persuasions are hated by so many.

  18. Richard Strudwick

    We need an Aussie Trump Judith. What about Mark Latham? Appropriately sized ego, talks the type of talk attractive to the disaffected. I don’t know the bloke but as a 70 year old Conservative I’d vote for Latham before I’d vote for Turnbull. But he’s got no dough. We’d have to take up a collection.

  19. Des Deskperson

    “As for Turnbull, it is over a year since the Tune/Conde report with its multiple recommendations was handed down. ”

    And yet even the Russo party is quite arguably encompassed within the definition of ‘official duties’ as recommended by Tune/Conde. In particular,

    “attending another event, function or meeting to which a parliamentarian is invited, or attends, in his or her capacity as a member of the Parliament (or in his or her capacity as a minister or parliamentary office holder)”

    And any tighter definition would almost certainly be unworkable. As I have argued before, you can’t manage ethics through detailed regulation, ultimately it is matter of people with individual personal integrity understanding and applying principals.

  20. Joe

    Des:

    And any tighter definition would almost certainly be unworkable. As I have argued before, you can’t manage ethics through detailed regulation, ultimately it is matter of people with individual personal integrity understanding and applying principals.

    Or, it’s all just bread and circuses designed by our opponents to a) distract us, b) try to subvert the electoral process by artificially causing MP’s to resign due to idiotic miscellanies.
    Just get rid of the rules, make all dining and travel payable only by the govt. all gifts to be banned and get on with government rather than this freak-show of a Salem witch trial.

  21. john constantine

    How much of redfilth gillards travel and spending was simply to set herself up for life after politics.

    When keating went to Indonesia on the taxpayer dollar to hunt up[ a buyer for his piggery, did he ever have to pay the travel back?.

  22. Habib

    Latham’s a part of the self-selected ruling class, losing an election then losing your shit doesn’t alter your genetic make-up. Trump is where he is mainly through not being a politician, the political class that see government as a career need to be purged, they are the problem.

  23. Neil

    I sort of get what she is trying to say. When a Labor pollie has his snout in the trough nobody says anything. When a Coalition pollie has his snout in the trough the media is all over it.

    In some respects what Ley did is worse than what Bronnie did because it was for personal gain. But both sides do it.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/julia-jets-off-to-a-vip-wedding/news-story/238017071de7e648eaeb89a809a65365

    FRESH from being returned in a farcical leadership spill, Julia Gillard yesterday flew to northern NSW on a taxpayer funded VIP jet for a staffer’s wedding and several low key announcements.

  24. Habib

    As I have argued before, you can’t manage ethics through detailed regulation, ultimately it is matter of people with individual personal integrity understanding and applying principals.

    Precisely the problem, politics attracts people with personal integrity like positive ions attract positive ions.

  25. H B Bear

    Prying Bronny off the taxpayers’ tit is like getting a geriatric to leave the ALPBC staff co-op of their own accord.

  26. Michel Lasouris

    Socialists can destroy a whole country? Bonkers? No it ain’t. And anyone defending the labor financial catastrophy needs their heads examined…… Judith.

  27. The key reason conservative commentators get all heated up over conservative politicians’ rorts is that it’s the only time we get heard.
    Burke takes his family to Uluru courtesy of the taxpayer? We hardly get to hear about it from the MSM let alone get access to commentary pages.
    Burke takes staffer to Europe 1st class and returns with wedding bells ringing in his ears, not the anger of an under informed public.
    LNP politician does something similar? Because the MSM is all over it, our anger at all rorters can be channelled towards the LNP idiot.

  28. Habib

    OSC, exactly. They’re all so crooked they have to screw their pants on in the morning, but the malfeasance and corruption (and incomprehensible stupidity) of the supposed opposition is ignored; the Liberal party is so pathetic they stay schtumm, thinking that honour among thieves will be abided by. Labor/Greens are rat-cunning enough to know they’ll never be pinged, and can grass up the other side with impunity. only thing that’s come from the government (as usual) are lame excuses, why not go after the Slovene Slag for taking the junky and their Young Pioneers for a “constituent meeting” on Lord Howe, or the litany of other abuses? Those oiks can’t get their pimply arses on a first class seat quickly enough when recess starts.

  29. Jim

    If you’re a genuine small govt conservative then the defence of ” labor do it too” doesn’t wash . Two wrongs and all that .

  30. OneWorldGovernment

    Ley has said that what she did was completely within the rules.

    I believe her because after all is said and done she used to be a trainer for the ATO Albury office!

    What really needs checking out is the overseas and local DFAT travel allowances and entitlements because that spreads through the APS and Politicians like rampant cancer.

  31. Gerard O

    It’s amusing to see a couple of commenters here who think Ley is on “their” side of politics.
    The Government is on the Government’s side — always. We can try to control them, we can vote them out, we can start petitions. But never pretend they are on our side.

  32. Huh? Just WHEN exactly, did Sarina Russo switch from the ALP to the Liberal Party?

    I’m struggling with this one.

  33. Robber Baron

    Maocolm is so fortunate to have Sussan Ley, just as Abbott was fortunate to have Bronwyn Bishop. Both are tax pigs and deserve to be exposed as such. Let’s see what Maol does. My bet he won’t do what Abbott did.

  34. BorisG

    Who in any industry would employ any of these incompeten

    Some of them actually come from business. Others had careers in other professions such as law before coming to politics. Some were in the army. Etc.

  35. Insider

    Just WHEN exactly, did Sarina Russo switch from the ALP to the Liberal Party?

    Maybe when Thérèse Rein got the inside running back in Rudd’s day …

  36. Senile Old Guy

    Ms Bishop said that she didn’t have specific knowledge of how Ms Ley’s travel was arranged “but I do know that there are socialists out there who want to attack free enterprise

    BB is an idiot. What part of sponging off the taxpayer is ‘free enterprise’? When campaigning for the presidency, Trump used his own plane to fly from rally to rally. To buy this apartment, Ley flew courtesy of the taxpayer.

  37. Petros

    Can’t we use the ATO tax deductibility criteria for these trips? The side trip to the Gold Coast should have been paid out of her own pocket. Spouses have to pay their own way every time.

  38. miltonf

    Exactly SOG- BB’s argument is completely nonsensical.

  39. Zyconoclast

    It’s amusing to see a couple of commenters here who think Ley is on “their” side of politics.
    The Government is on the Government’s side — always. We can try to control them, we can vote them out, we can start petitions. But never pretend they are on our side.

    Spot on.
    That’s why after BB was thrown to the wolves Pyne and Bourke closed ranks.

  40. Dan

    Trainer in Albury. Looking at her CV I can see how her extensive relevant achievements have prepared her to manage a $67b portfolio. Maybe the nunerology helps.

  41. John Michelmore

    Fancy that, Bronnie can’t even see that the LNP is socialist as well! What a revelation from someone inside. I think many whom think they are operating in a free enterprise regime would get a shock if they read Marx.

  42. “As for Turnbull, it is over a year since…”

    Therein lies the problem. Once he was fresh air, now he’s stale air. Mind you, he was always just air.

  43. MAGB

    And why are my taxes paying for the member for Maribyrnong to constantly fly all over the country? His party was defeated at the last election and he has no official role in running the country. Apart from going to Canberra for parliamentary sessions, he has no requirement for any travel at all. Unfortunately this country has no effective leadership to deal with these issues.

  44. Myrddin Seren

    The Australia-Canada mirror effect again.

    From SDA:

    …a former Speaker of the House of Commons,….has written a letter to ……. Parliament’s Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner asking for an investigation of Prime Minister Trudeau’s vacation on a private island in the Bahamas.

    Prime Minister Trudeau accepted a gift from His Royal Highness the Aga Khan of a vacation for his whole family on the privately-owned Bell Island*. The Aga Khan Foundation, has been the beneficiary of tens of millions of dollars in government contributions to international development projects, in addition to 30 million dollars from the Government of Canada for the Foundation’s Ottawa headquarters.

    Section 14.1 of the Conflict of Interest Act is very clear. “Neither a Member nor any member of a Member’s family shall accept, directly or indirectly, any gift or other benefit, except compensation authorized by law, that might reasonably be seen to have been given to influence the Member in the exercise of a duty or function of his or her office.”

    *Any other irony about chief Canadian head-tilter greentard Justin Trudeau hanging out with a guy dispensing millions of dollars of Other People’s Money via his own networks – all in the name of charity ?

    Courtesy of an incisive SDA reader:

    In 2010, the Bahamas Environment Minister was accused of conflict of interest for accepting a couple of rides on the Aga Khan’s private helicopter at the same time that he was considering giving the Aga Khan an environmental permit to dredge the harbour at the island deeper so he could dock his enormous yacht there.

    This was a big political and environmental controversy at the time. The Environment Minister eventually tendered his resignation, but the Prime Minister did not accept it, probably because, as it turns out, he had also taken a few helicopter rides out to the private island to hang out with the Aga Khan.

    Oh the carbon miles, oh the ironing !

  45. When a commissar got privileged transport out to his dacha, that was socialism.

    When a parliamentarian or corporate climber junkets richly on the dime of others…that’s freedom, that’s the market!

    Spending your own dough concentrates the mind wonderfully. It’s amazing how many urgent things become minor whims when you are paying your own dollars, especially your own after-tax dollars.

  46. egg_

    privately-owned Bell Island

    Hopefully, not another P-do Island?

  47. tgs

    Bishop labelling people who criticise Ley (who unethically spent other people’s money) as socialists (who unethically spend other people’s money) is not only incredibly stupid but bizarrely hypocritical. Sort of smells a bit like the beginnings of senility, to be honest.

    It would be be funny if only Bishop wasn’t such a prominent figure in the party that is supposedly the major party that supports the free market and personal responsibility/liberty. Given her previous role it is just a sad indictment on the state of Australian politics.

  48. Habib

    Some of them actually come from business. Others had careers in other professions such as law before coming to politics. Some were in the army. Etc.

    Apart for a very few exceptions they are Nomenklatura, party hacks, dud lawyers and sleazy opportunists who’d never amount to anything outside politics, exactly like Labor. A self-appointed political class, and a blight on all western democracies. They exist for government, not to remove its yoke, and are the enemy of all free people.

  49. Roger

    “attending another event, function or meeting to which a parliamentarian is invited, or attends, in his or her capacity as a member of the Parliament (or in his or her capacity as a minister or parliamentary office holder)”

    According to that definition attending the cricket could be an official duty.

    Oh wait…they do claim it, don’t they.

    Is tightening the system really unworkable, Des?

    All expenses claimed should not only be published on the ‘net by the Finance Dept. – as I believe they already are – but itemised for the public’s scrutiny so they can be publicly pilloried for their pilfering.

    I suspect our politicians might then discover some “ethical principles”.

    “The age of entitlement is over.”

  50. Marcus

    tgs – Bishop is a hypocrite. As the former Speaker, she was responsible for the standards of Parliamentary behaviour, but in retirement she’s one of the rudest interviewees on Sky News. She insists that she wanted to apologise immediately when her helicopter travel was exposed, but that Tony Abbott prevented her from doing so. Well, based on her press conference at the time, either she’s the best actress in Australian politics, or she’s a downright liar, so no matter how many times she rants about socialists, I have very little time for her, and I’m surprised anyone at Sky does.

  51. Linden

    I thought that Susan Ley was one of the ‘bright’ ones, really disappointed with her. I just don’t understand why they think they will get away with it The opposition will do anything to trip them up, so why do they give them the opportunity in the first place, go figure?

  52. Senile Old Guy

    I thought that Susan Ley was one of the ‘bright’ ones…

    She is one of the ‘bright’ ones. That’s the problem, right there.

  53. Cannibal

    I recently posted the solution to this problem – to deafening silence (not that it matters).
    So, carry on expressing outrage and crying in your beer.

  54. sabrina

    For the first time, I came to read about the Russo Business School and its Directors.

  55. Beachside

    mosomoso
    #2257194, posted on January 10, 2017 at 9:09 am

    “As for Turnbull, it is over a year since…”

    Therein lies the problem. Once he was fresh air, now he’s stale air. Mind you, he was always just air.

    Eloquent

  56. Dr Fred Lenin

    Bronwyn who? Any relation to comrade juliar bishop ? You know malcolm ruddbulls minister for foreigners . Always a job for wankers carr rudd,and that south aussie ponce wossisname ?

  57. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspeeklike

    The opposition will do anything to trip them up, so why do they give them the opportunity in the first place, go figure?

    This is what I’m struggling to understand. A one seat majority, and someone gives the Opposition this sort of free kick?

  58. Squirrel

    “Who can forget Tony Burke taking his family to Uluru – for official business, of course. Or Wayne Swan and Julia Gillard jetting off to weddings of staffers.”

    or having a very good stab at emptying the cellars at The Lodge the night Julia got the boot as PM….

  59. John64

    Is tightening the system really unworkable, Des?

    As Robert Townsend sagely observed in Up The Organization nearly 50 years ago; tightening the system doesn’t stop the cheating, it just makes it more inventive.

  60. Des Deskperson

    “Is tightening the system really unworkable, Des?”

    Roger, the only way you could ‘tighten up’ the definition of official business as recommended by Tune/Conde would be to identify specific activities that night or might not be defined as ‘official business’, and thats when things become a bit tricky.

    If one excluded attendance at sporting events, then what about dinners, balls, social events, fetes, art exhibitions, recitals? MPs would argue, with some justification, that these sorts of exclusions would restrict their ability to carry out their representative duties.

    I agree that improved systems of transparency, as you recommend, are a more effective way of dealing with the issue.

  61. Craig Mc

    This inspires me to start a specialist politician transport service. Does a 90km helicopter ride *really* cost $5,000?

    Finding a politician in your back-seat seems to be a licence to print five-figure taxi fares with no comeback. Have you ever heard of one of these service providers being dragged over the coals for over-charging? I haven’t.

    I expect pollies to rack up travel expenses. We expect them to live in their electorates and work in Canberra and it’s a big country with often huge electorates. A minister with national responsibilities has even better excuses for travelling.

    What I can’t abide is the wanton spending when confronted with outrageous prices. Do any of them look at the price tag and think “maybe I’ll call them instead”? Nope.

  62. Will

    Politicians should be paid a cash travel allowance as a supplement to their salary, based on the distance from Canberra to their electorate for backbenchers . Ministers can be paid a higher fixed rate. This dispenses with the complexity of travel rules, and politicians can then argue with the tax office on deductibility, just like ordinary Australians have to do

  63. bo

    So about now troughers like Tony Berk and Christopher “Gunther Prien” Pyne are probably dreading a rerun of the Bronnie saga when they were happy to sacrifice her based on her unwise, but not corrupt, use of taxpayer money, while at the same time conniving to ignore their own blatant transgressions with a shabby, on-the-nose we’ll shut-up if you do truce.
    Hopefully it becomes a case of what goes around comes around – naah I don’t think so either, these troughers are far too cunning for that to work.

  64. BorisG

    Axtuslly I agree wih Joe and bishop. It is a storm in a teacup desigbed to score cheap points against the government.

  65. Habib

    Not a storm in a teacup, it highlights the profligate, irresponsible and cavalier attitude to other peoples money held by our “betters”. If someone can’t be trusted with the petty cash, why the fuck would you let them loose with the corporate visa, amex, chequebook and Nimble’s phone number?

    The Rabz ABC doctrine could equally apply to parliament.personally I prefer the Robespierre response.

  66. Joe

    Yes Habib it is a storm in a teacup.
    It creates all sorts of idiotic accounting practices – which is what this is all about. Dumb decisions to lump multiple jobs onto the same trip to save a petty amount of money when billions are wasted annually.

    Jealousy aside, a MP or senator’s job involves travel and wining and dining. Lets not be petty about it. Give them free slather and let them get on with more important things than childish gotcha games.

    Parliament is NOT a playground and TAG is not a game that politicians should be playing. NO MATTER HOW MUCH THE MEDIA LIKES IT TO BE!

  67. Habib

    You’re ignoring the point that if they’re irresponsible and malfeasant with petty amounts and matters, they will be with the billions wasted. I’m not interesed in their social life and comfort, I expect them to do a highly competent job for the substantial reward they recieve, and they are failing utterly to do so. All remuneration should be entirely performance based- if they deliver, I don’t give a shit if they’re snorting toot off each others arses while orbiting the planet in a chartered Soyuz. At the moment they owe us a substantial refund.

  68. Joe

    You’re ignoring the point that if they’re irresponsible and malfeasant with petty amounts and matters, they will be with the billions wasted.

    Now your just creating straw-man arguments. There is no relationship between the behaviour in the case of petty and more substantial matters. Or have you always paid for the pens you used at home and were sourced from your employer?

  69. Habib

    Don’t swipe stationary or anything else, but silly me has ethics. So you think some lightfingered douche who doesn’t think twice about nicking anything unattached, and who fiddles the books for personal benefit, will all of a sudden be responsible with major purchasing, allocation of contracts, and employment offers? Or mis-use their position to snavvel even more ackers, and not give a shit about outcomes?

    I’m astounded at the gullibility exhibited on this issue, these are not good people, acting in the public interest out of their sense of duty.

  70. Joe

    I’m astounded at the gullibility exhibited on this issue, these are not good people, acting in the public interest out of their sense of duty.

    No they are not. But if they are to be removed from office – thus reversing a decision of the electorate – then can we at least get them on something more substantial than the supposed theft (read jealousy) of our money doing a job for which we elected them to do.

    Look, once your a politician, all your actions become public affairs. Therefore you could argue that all your appearances in public are a matter for your office and the govt. should pay for all of them.

  71. Habib

    Fraud is fraud, other commonwealth employees who diddled TA, put in dodgy timesheets or knocked off assets would be dismissed, and likely charged. Likewise someone in the private sector, especially in a senior position. Make them subject to the same shitty rules they impose on everyone else, why should supposed leaders be held to a lower standard? Irrational, and encourages the sort of venal vermin that infest politics to continue to do so. At the very leadt they should be subject to the C&C Act, and corporate governance laws. They’d be serving time rather than failing to serve the electorate. Ley iseither a liar, or an idiot; either way, unfit for office. Most of the rest of that rabble ae of an equal standard.

  72. Habib

    BTW they are already paid more than any other politicians on the planet, with considerably less responsibilities than many, let them pay their own expenses, and if kosher claim a tax deduction. Most are purely shameless self and party promotion.

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