The deep state

If you are not spooked by all of this then you are made of tougher stuff than I am.

MEDIA AND CIA FALL FOR ‘GOLDEN SHOWER’ HOAX…
TAPPER, BLITZER RATTLED…
YOU’RE ACTING LIKE NAZIS, TRUMP TELLS SPY CHIEFS…
Russian tech expert named in report never even contacted!
GREENWALD: ‘Deep State’ Sabotage…

The last of these comes with the actual title, “The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer”. Here is the opening text, but I have to say this is terrifying and in no sense politics as usual, unless this really is politics as usual, although we have never before seen it revealed so openly.

IN JANUARY, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There are a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combatting those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

“Morally bankrupt” it most certainly is and then some. “Certain to backfire on those doing it” is very optimistic. If this is how things are, Nazi is not going too far in describing what is going on. If the evidence were not before our eyes of the way in which the media and the CIA have worked with the Democrats to undermine Trump’s authority you would think all of this is impossible.

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48 Responses to The deep state

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    The dynamics are interesting. A ‘heart attack’ would fit the bill for what they want, but they know quite well that about 80% of the military voted for Trump, as did most of the people with guns in the US.

    Therefore they are forced to try soft power since they know they dare not go hard (personally being lynched isn’t a scenario outcome they’d prefer).

    Unfortunately for these people Trump has already mastered soft power to the extent that nothing they can say, “leak” or fake will make the slightest difference to his popularity. Indeed it will just make him more popular. And more determined to defund, sack and devastate them all.

    Then there’s the backup plan. Mike Pence, who I think is regarded as a sort of righty Attila the Hun. It’s a piece of genius to choose a Veep candidate who is regarded worse than yourself. Excellent insurance. I just hope Pence and Trump arrange things such that they’re never on the same plane at the same time.

  2. Confused Old Misfit

    If the proggies think they can bring Trump down without bloodshed they will believe in faeries at the bottom of the rose garden.

  3. Lem

    The deep state wanted their preferred candidate to get up, and she did not. Now they are going the full retard, but it will be unsuccessful in an age where the previous methods of propaganda are unlikely to work on the general populace.

    Of course, the useful idiots might throw themselves against the barricades in DC, with little effect. But they aren’t the worry.

    I just hope the secret service has Trump’s back, because with the desperation being exhibited by a politicised FBI and CIA in these last days, any action seems possible.

  4. Confused Old Misfit

    Totally *Off Topic* but maybe not – “Deep State” & all – What is it with there being a “security” requirement for ANZAC day marches? And what’e with the pusillanimous capitulation of local march organisers?

    It’s time the so called “authorities” who promulgate these stupid and overly costly regulations were told to F*&k Off! If we want to hold a parade mate we’ll bloody well hold a parade!

  5. Big Jim

    Hey all,
    Who was it around nov 6 who questioned my characterisation of the Arizona senator as ‘Mad John McCain?’
    I really have no idea why I would have thought he was an unhinged old prick. Just an intuition, I guess.
    The only positive thing I can say about Obama, is that it could have been worse in 2008. McCain will go down in history as the worst Repulican candidate in history. And now he ends his pissweak career as he started it – in traitorous ignominy.

  6. Lem

    John McCain is an old cold war warrior, and the last thing he or anyone like them (especially the arms industry) want to see is a break out of peace. Money and ideology doesn’t give a damn about whether your kids are sent to die in a meaningless war; they know the endless congressional enquiries after the fact will take so long that everyone will be confused about what it is all about, long after the shares are sold.

  7. Big Jim

    Right Lem.
    Sorry. I don’t have enough fingers to provide link and keep my licence right now, but the Daily Mail shows that Mc Cain is the conduit between deep-deep state and the MS media (deep state).

  8. Muddy

    If we want to hold a parade mate we’ll bloody well hold a parade!

    What was the name of the post-Great War citizen’s militia in Australia? That’s a rhetorical question, by the way. Back when citizens were concerned enough to actually defend their country. I’m not advocating arming ourselves, nor am I suggesting a violent insurrection against The State, but perhaps if those we pay via our taxes are not interested in protecting us, then on a local level, maybe …

  9. Empire GTHO Phase III

    The American Cold Civil War is now out in the open.

    “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

    Ike’s fears were likely informed by correspondence received from the man who designed and constructed the military-industrial complex – Vannevar Bush.

    The engineer who conceived a state sponsored and funded collaboration of academia, industry and the military branches, in a time of crisis (war) – culminating in the Manhattan Project – realised the institution would tend to predatory behaviour in peace time.

    The apparatus of state in all western nations have grown exponentially since 1945. The deep state was conceived, designed and built by unelected and largely unaccountable technocrats who believe themselves to be the anointed in a divine meritocracy. Not so different from the mandarins and military men of the Qing Dynasty.

    What we are witnessing now in the US is the inevitable result of not keeping a lid on the legitimate function of government in a nation state.

    Those who paid for the whole shebang in toil and blood are now fighting back. We must keep on winning.

  10. Dr Fred Lenin

    Donald ,its been too long since US intelligence was reconstructed to cope with modern times . it is full of old cold war warriors who are now social jusrice warriors . A total reorganisation is needed to rid tge system of regressive elements like hilarity supporters ,a fresh start is needed to deali with the globslist \islamofascist threat to democracy sack them all then ,investigate them for malfeasance and war crimes ,a spell in jail and no pension would make the next lot think twice before they plunged into politics . [

  11. John Carpenter

    A democracy has the right to protect itself. CNN cannot seem to get over the fact that the plebs ignored their how to vote card.They seem determined to create an insurrection against a democratically elected president who has survived and thrived in a gruelling,full disclosure presidential contest.CNN is no longer a news outlet and has forfeited it’s right to the freedom of speech.

  12. Zyconoclast

    Why is it when the Alphabet soup mob want to hold a march in arseless Lycra there never seems to issues of money or security?

  13. King Koala

    JFK wanted to break the stranglehold of the deep state (globalist bankers who use the cia as their personal footmen) and look what happened to him.

  14. Mayan

    Bruce: A Trump death = a Pence presidency. That means Xtian Taliban.

    So, regular Taliban wearing crucifixes. Which = fascism.

    Trump is a win-win shell game: kleptocracy or theocracy. Either way, the US public lose.

  15. Mayan

    Claims of CIA bankers = delusion + anti-semitism. i.e. The usual Cat BS.

  16. ALEX LARDER

    According to Mayan, Christians – or ‘Xtians’, as he calls them for some reason – are fascists, merely by virtue of their being Christians.

    Yet in his next post he has the gall to opine about “delusions” and “the usual Cat BS.”

    What an incredible lack of self-awareness.

  17. Confused Old Misfit

    Zyconoclast +1!

  18. HGS

    I have been told (may be an urban myth) that Eisenhower included the word ‘political’ and linked it to the military industrial grouping. He was asked to take it out.
    If true, a very great pity, as I have had that quote used against me by many socialists, who were too dim to see that the political class were the conductors of all corruption.

  19. Mayan can’t see the difference between christian worshippers and muslim headloppers.

    Exactly the same, only different.

  20. RobK

    Mayan,
    Given that none of your statements make any sense (Trump is not anti-Semitic, fascist…the rest is just weird), it’s likely a win win for the American people.

  21. Gavin R Putland

    Re HGS #2260098: Apparently the word was “Congressional”; Google “military-industrial-Congressional complex”.

  22. J.H.

    The mainstream media has literally pissed on their credibility with the “Golden Showers” Fake news. Basically they have reduced journalism to Scat porn while the rest of us helplessly looked on…..

    It’s official. The “Leftists” have gone stark raving mad.

  23. Luke

    Anyone notice Fauxfacts and New.com.au running stories about the Trump ‘intel report’? I noticed that as soon as the major American news sites started running articles about how fake the stuff was and the damage it will cause, all of a sudden they started running stories about how unethical it was for the documents to be presented as fact…despite some of their very own reporters doing exactly that!

    These guys wanted to believe it so much that they didn’t even think it needed confirming. News.com is still running multiple TRUMP=end of the world/is an idiot stories a day. Each Day!

    According to News.com The Australian dollar soars after Trump press conference. When I looked at their own figures, the ‘soars’ turned out to be less than 1 cent.

  24. Crossie

    I just hope the secret service has Trump’s back, because with the desperation being exhibited by a politicised FBI and CIA in these last days, any action seems possible.

    I read somewhere that he is insisting on keeping his private personal guards. I’m sure there are many objections to that though I can’t see the problem. Wouldn’t he known best whom he can trust particularly after all the Secret Service scandals of the past few years?

  25. RobK

    I can foresee many potential obstacles but Trump is asserting his authority early to the power players. Critics shuddered when he called out the press, now they shudder as he calls out the CIA. It’s a tough call but pretty soon it’s clear who’s boss. There’s potential greatness like we’ve not seen in recent times.

  26. Ray

    Recall the weapons of mass destruction which the entire US intelligence community claimed were present in Iraq. Or the 2014 case wherein CIA staff carried out an illegal search of the computers belonging to the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Or the scandal over drug running by Air America, a CIA controlled airline. Or the systematic denials of torture since 2001, some of these on oath before Congressional committees.

    The CIA, indeed the whole US intelligence community, have demonstrated a consistent capacity to lie. Why should we accept their claims now?

  27. Jonesy

    Deep state? Why are so many experienced spooks and investigators quitting en mass if they are all part of a Deep State apparatus. Methinks there is rebellion against the political appointees in the top two or three pay bands.

    In case anyone hasn’t noticed…Trump loves his GRUNTs…and they love him!

  28. Defender of the faith

    Kates as usual desperate to justify Trump. The dossier is a smoke screen. Look at the testimony of his candidates for the admin and Trump’s own words. There is no doubt at all that Putin actively interfered to help Trump and that Trump has admitted as much. At the same time Trump promotes the idea of working with Putin while diminishing NATO.
    Contrast that with Tillerson, who said in plain English that the US should have forcefully and militarily responded to Putin’s invasion of Crimea to prevent subsequent assaults on Ukraine and others.
    Trump is a huge threat and it is already clear that his time in office will be extremely worrisome.

  29. JohnA

    Ray #2260352, posted on January 13, 2017, at 5:40 am

    Recall the weapons of mass destruction which the entire US intelligence community claimed were present in Iraq.

    Yes, the ones Saddam Hussein used against Kurds and Iraqis. The ones that the UN inspector could never get to see because they were moved before he arrived at the sites. The ones that went to Syria. The ones that were USED IN SYRIA.

    I remember a lot about the reporting of those weapons.

    But the ones that don’t exist – nope! I saw lots of assertions of a negative (logical fallacy) but that’s all.

  30. JohnA

    Defender of the faith #2260385, posted on January 13, 2017, at 8:18 am

    Contrast that with Tillerson, who said in plain English that the US should have forcefully and militarily responded to Putin’s invasion of Crimea to prevent subsequent assaults on Ukraine and others.
    Trump is a huge threat and it is already clear that his time in office will be extremely worrisome.

    You quote approvingly of this opening gambit for World War the Last?

  31. RobK

    DotF,
    All high level power is extremely worrisome. You seem to have contradiced yourself to an extent by saying Trump would diminish NATO yet acknowledge that he’s appointment of Sec of State would’ve confronted Russia over Ukraine. Trump has suggested NATO members contribute more, that’s not weakening NATO.
    Previously Trump said anyone could have hacked the Dems, now he acknowledges it could have been Russia. It is well known practically everyone hacks everyone else (e.g. Aussies hack Indo President).

  32. john constantine

    Is it still a big trendy thing for the leading millionaire socialists of hollywood to drink a glass of their own urine immediately upon arising?.

    Talk about piss yourself laughing when that started being earnestly reported.

  33. sabena

    Big Jim and Lem,
    Its been well reported that John McCain has a temper problem-eg. this link:-
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article24498646.html
    I will leave it to others to judge about whether the problem was more than that.However it was a matter which disqualified him for the presidency in my view.

  34. pbw

    From Eisenhower’s address, these excerpts bracket his comments on the military-industrial complex.

    Emphasis mine.
    Preceding

    Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defenses; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research — these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.

    But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs, balance between the private and the public economy, balance between the cost and hoped for advantages, balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable, balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual, balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress. Lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

    Following

    Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades. In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal government.

    Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present — and is gravely to be regarded.

    Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

    It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system — ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society.

  35. NewChum

    There is no doubt at all that Putin actively interfered to help Trump and that Trump has admitted as much.

    #fakenews

    Proponents of the ‘Putin helped Trump win’ theory never explain how he won the primaries.

    The assertions made that Trump is a Russian plant date back to visits by Trump to Russia in 2011, before Obama even won a second term. The assertions that the Trumps have Russian business interests date back to a talk by Don jr where he said Russians have a lot of cash for real estate. However the same talk said that they don’t do business there because it is corrupt.

    The Russian ‘hacking’ is supposed to be behind the dnn email releases – denied by Wikileaks and backed up by several sources. The Podesta emails were obtained by the type of simple phishing scam we all get in our inboxes alongside Nigerian princes needing to get money out and penile enhancements. The fact that it originated from a Ukrainian source is about as remarkable as finding out that a child’s toy is made in china.

    This all skips over the fact that if the DNC had not been corrupt and conspiring against their own candidate in Sanders the releases would have had no impact.

    Finally, to buy this horseshit you have to ask yourself why ‘da Russians’ only got the blame afterclinton lost.

    Of all the whole blankets of fake news woven from the flimsiest of threads of truth, this is the biggest pile of crap ever seen.

  36. Dr Fred Lenin

    There is no way the comrades are going to let Trump rule Ausr=tralia as our president ,even though were were not eligible to vote for him . The alpbc the foreigners at sbs and the national green laboral career politicians will resist him being president of Australia . You can even before he takes office .you can see this resistance . . Reading our news and listening you would really think this was hsppeno[ing , hey comrades. He is US president not Aussie . austrslia is full of u.s,democrats born here ? Wankers Be inr]teresting if he were allowed to stand for office here wonder if he would beat mslcolm ruddbull and weewillie shortass? Probably flog both the way Aussies feel about ce-areer polliemuppets since the mentally disturbed kruddster and tge theiving lawtrade bitch giliard .

  37. Dr Fred Lenin

    PS someone mentioned comrade sanders ,the dnc must have some very damaging stuff on him ,the speed at which he oulked out of the race ,really serious stuff not just bribery and corruption.,all democrats do that .find out Donald might come in handy ,you know goose and gander stuff ,and get that clinton foundation investigation going _.a really public one like our Royal commissions .]

  38. JohnA

    NewChum #2260519, posted on January 13, 2017, at 10:49 am

    The assertions made that Trump is a Russian plant date back to visits by Trump to Russia in 2011, before Obama even won a second term

    Yes, indeed. It is not unlike the Yes, Prime Minister episode on tobacco/health & Dr Peter Thornton.

    [Appleby:] You have nicotine stains on your hands, Prime Minister.
    [Hacker:] What?
    [Appleby:] You have enjoyed the hospitality of the British Tobacco Group at various of our major sporting and cultural events. You are compromised.

    Which is the old fallacy of guilt by association. But Hacker PM was equal to the challenge (this time):

    [Hacker:] Don’t be silly Humphrey. I have enjoyed drinks and dinners at the Russian Embassy, but that does not make me a Russian spy!

  39. Defender of the faith

    Various above: my point is that Putin is a seriously troubling element in our outlook. No one now denies that he worked hard to help Trump. The scary part is that trump embraces that. No one else including his Secretary of State thinks Putin is anything but a major worry.
    Trump is not competent for the job and there is no doubt. Covering for him is futile.

  40. Empire GTHO Phase III

    No one now denies that he worked hard to help Trump.

    Prove it. Then – so what? Also see: Saudia Arabia and Clinton.

    The scary part is that trump embraces that.

    Saudia Arabia and Clinton.

    No one else including his Secretary of State thinks Putin is anything but a major worry.

    Trump recognises that Vlad has a shitload of nukes and some economic woes. The US must have a functional relationship with Russia. After eight years of trying to communicate with a crack smoking nancy, Putin might be keen to deal with a man who knows how to deal.

    Trump is not competent for the job and there is no doubt. Covering for him is futile.

    Hysterical juvenile propaganda a.k.a. fake news.

  41. RobK

    DotF,
    ” Trump is not competent for the job and there is no doubt. Covering for him is futile.”
    Futile?….as in nothing will convince you? Fair enough.
    To date Trump has shown he has the US at heart. He has shown he can call out adversaries and make them stand for their actions. He has shown he can draw people’s attention to an issue and thrash out a workable solution. Really all he has said about Putin is that he will need to be part of the IS response and that should be in a coordinated way, I.e. to work with him. Futile is what the US had before the election.

  42. classical_hero

    Who is this new sock puppet?

    John A, thank goodness you mentioned the previous use of chemical weapons by Iraq.

  43. john constantine

    Only around four hundred working American public service days until the American mid-term elections, when a rampant,media boosted hussein obama will lead the demfilth to take away the Trump ability to get legislation passed.

    Every day they can steal from Trump before mid-terms is gold.

    Public service go-slows, lawfare, media scandals, anything goes if it assassinates the legitimacy of the Trump administration.

  44. Bean Counter

    What worries me most about the Russians is how they selected a random ” total buffoon” back in 2011 or so to become their wholly-owned POTUS, and here we are.

    They could just as easily had decided that Leo di Caprio or Taylor Swift or Oprah or Anthony Wiener would become President, and then manipulated it to make it so. This is the lesson, Cats.

    Which automatically leads to the inescapable conclusion that the Russkies have been picking all the POTUSs since the second world war. They know how to do it, and they have done so.

    Commies are God!

  45. Defender of the faith

    RobK: Putin is a totally cynical manipulator of Russian anxieties. As Marco Rubio made plain in his examination of Tillerson and Tillerson effectively affirmed, Putin is a murderous dictator in the worst tradition. He doesn’t do deals, he manipulates opportunity.
    Trump has do nothing to correct the impression that he’s a dupe and a risk to all of us.
    I remind you of Chamberlain and others in their encouragement of Hitler through a pathetic belief that they were in any way reliable.
    Trump is a hazard.

  46. Tel

    Putin is a murderous dictator in the worst tradition.

    The worst? Really?!?

    So how many millions has Putin killed so far?

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