Sharia dissembling

Last night on Q&A Yassmin Abdel-Magied asserted that sharia law was as simple as ‘me praying five times [a] day’ and then ‘Excuse me, Islam to me is the most feminist religion, right. We got equal rights well before the Europeans. We don’t take our husbands’ last names … we were given the right to own land, their property’.

Talk about dissembling. She should know that Sharia is a body of laws, not just praying five times daily. It is derived from the Quran and Hadith. Praying is but one law but of course the application of Sharia varies according to interpretations. But in no country which applies Sharia as the principal law does simply praying five times daily fulfil all obligations. The beheadings and cutting off hands occur in Saudi Arabia are conducted under Sharia law. The genital mutilation of girls occur under Sharia law.

Islam does not have a ‘render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s’ clause and in countries which apply Sharia law it is the superior law and hence those countries are theocracies. Many (but by no means all) proponents of Sharia law in Australia think it ranks above Australian law – that where Sharia and Australian law conflict the former should apply.

this is of course anathema to a secular liberal democracy where all religions (and no religion) are subject to Australian law. I think anyone who wants to push for the superiority of Sharia law over Australian law is advocating treason. But if it is simply praying five times and respecting Australian law then they are good Australian citizens.

As for her claim that Islam is the most feminised religion that is a joke. More women around the world are oppressed in the name of Islam than any where else. Genital mutilation, forced obedience to men, covering up etc are not examples of feminism. Where female Muslims enjoy freedoms it is secular western states which have been touched by the enlightenment. Yassmin is from Sudan where women have no rights. Not many people wish to migrate from secular states to Sudan, but many do wish to migrate from Sudan to secular states. That’s revealed preference and shows the superiority of secular states where people can practice their religions freely under secular law.

As for her claim that Islam had rights for women before European states she should realise in Ancient Rome women had many rights including property and easy divorce. It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment. Sadly that is gone but one can hope that a form of enlightened Islam will ultimately return and displace the extreme Islam ideologies practiced in parts of the world and which are the catalyst for Islamic terrorism.

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83 Responses to Sharia dissembling

  1. struth

    Sadly that is gone but one can hope that a form of enlightened Islam will ultimately return and displace the extreme Islam ideologies practiced in parts of the world and which are the catalyst for Islamic terrorism.

    I get it.
    You are a comedian………………………………………..

  2. stackja

    the European dark ages?

    Another reason why the Middle Ages are often called the Dark Ages is because compared with other eras, historians don’t know as much about this time. In some ways, this period of time has been lost to history. Many important records from this time have not survived.

    Ignorance all around.

  3. Roger

    I think anyone who wants to push for the superiority of Sharia law over Australian law is advocating treason. But if it is simply praying five times and respecting Australian law then they are good Australian citizens.

    But bad Muslims.

  4. Baldrick

    It’s Alinsky Socialism 101 – “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.

  5. jupes

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment.

    LOL

    My word you are a gullible fool.

  6. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspeeklike

    And as long as kufar goes on listening to the like of Yasmin Abdel – Magieb, that Islam is all soft and fluffy, then kufar will go on being taken for mugs.

  7. max

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment

    As others have noted, this is not true.

  8. jupes

    Last night on Q&A Yassmin Abdel-Magied …

    … was beclowned by Jacqui Jacqui.

    Not quite the battle of intellectual heavyweights was it?

  9. billie

    Arguing with someone about their religion, pointless

    Lambie has a point when she says we’re a secular country and want to stay that way.

    All I see is an endless succession of appeasement, anyone who is outraged or offended, must be appeased.

    Our society is met with shrieks of racism and whatever-phobia, to silence not just critics, but anyone asking a question.

    People wonder why Pauline Hansen is becoming so popular, should just look at all the angry intolerant bullies around us who want us silenced.

  10. jupes

    Sadly that is gone but one can hope that a form of enlightened Islam will ultimately return and displace the extreme Islam ideologies practiced in parts of the world and which are the catalyst for Islamic terrorism.

    There is another word for “extreme Islam ideologies”:

    Islam.

  11. Tel

    Our society is met with shrieks of racism and whatever-phobia, to silence not just critics, but anyone asking a question.

    That only works while people still care enough to want to not be a racist.

    At some stage sufficient numbers will just get over the BS and do what they want to do, be that bigoted or no. By that point, the word “racist” will have largely been destroyed and rendered meaningless, just like the word “liberal”.

  12. BorisG

    She was shown to show another face of Islam and it did make an impression on many people, even though many things she said were quite outrageous. and not only on Islam.

  13. Tel

    Islam to me is the most feminist religion, right.

    The Third Wave Fiminists seem to think so, but that’s another word rendered meaningless. Once upon a time “feminist” implied doing something beneficial to women; but these days women are not interested in feminism, and the people calling themselves feminists are making life worse for both women and men.

  14. lotocoti

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment.

    True in the same way that National Socialist Germany once curated the greatest collection of art in European history.

  15. A Lurker

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment.

    It is not true.
    One day our schools will return to teaching real history.
    Sadly today is not that day.

  16. H B Bear

    More taqiyya dished up to the kafir. Lapped up by the useful idiots on the Left aka the Q&A audience.

    There is no radical Islam. There is just Islam.

  17. JC

    I watched the offend clip. It seems to me that’s she’s just an empty headed fatmouth, just like Lambie and has nothing much to say. In other words – an air head. In that case we can be reasonably certain she’s not going to put on a suicide vest and knock out a dozen or so people.

  18. Maurice

    I suppose Ms Yassmin Abdel-Magied (is she from Adelaide?) does not know of the Sharia Laws in respect to Wills & Inheritance. Daughters receive HALF of what any sons may be allowed to inherit. Fair indeed.

  19. Old School Conservative

    The two biggest issues coming out of this exchange are:
    1. the ABC refuses to pit an articulate, intelligent anti-Muslim person against pro-Muslim guests
    2. the incorrect message about Islam being the most feminist religion will now start becoming accepted truth.

  20. egg_

    Yassmin is from Sudan

    What’s her view of the 100-odd Sudanese thugs reported to have disrupted the family festival in Melbourne?
    Good integration into Western society?
    What’s with Sudanese gang violence – surely, it must be organised to be on such a scale as above, to be disruptive of Westerners?

  21. Roger

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment.

    The so-called Islamic Golden Age is an exaggerated invention of Western Orientalists in the 19th C.. Today the notion is used by Muslim apologists to counter claims that Islam is inherently anti-intellectual. What happened was that a reasonably enlightened (i.e. not very devout) 8th C. caliph ordered that the best texts of the civilisations Islam had brutally conquered and their predecessor civilisations – so, Greece, Egypt, Persia, India, China – be translated into Arabic. Non-Muslim scholars (e.g. Arabic speaking Christians who also knew Greek) with access to these texts were invited to Baghdad to make this task possible. Naturally progress in the various sciences ensued as a result of this stimulation and the relative intellectual freedom the Abbasid caliphs granted. This was, however, eventually snuffed like by a resurgent Islamic spirit.

  22. egg_

    I watched the offend clip. It seems to me that’s she’s just an empty headed fatmouth, just like Lambie and has nothing much to say. In other words – an air head. In that case we can be reasonably certain she’s not going to put on a suicide vest and knock out a dozen or so people.

    One would hope not, as she hosts TheirABCTV’s Australia Wide.

  23. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspeeklike

    The two biggest issues coming out of this exchange are:
    1. the ABC refuses to pit an articulate, intelligent anti-Muslim person against pro-Muslim guests

    Be interesting to see some of the Western women who set off to Syria to serve ISIS in the belief that Islam was a religion that respected women, and empowered them, against pro – Muslim guests.

  24. Nick

    The fact that the ABC promotes such untruths is gobsmacking.

  25. egg_

    1. the ABC refuses to pit an articulate, intelligent anti-Muslim person against pro-Muslim guests

    Luca, on last night’s panel, may have had some brains, but did look to be an autist in a world of his own, per Fisky’s line – some folk may be great thinkers but useless in a live debate.

  26. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    #2295649, posted on February 14, 2017 at 10:37 am

    She was shown to show another face of Islam and it did make an impression on many people, even though many things she said were quite outrageous. and not only on Islam.

    I quite liked it when Yassy arced up because she just demonstrated how it doesn’t matter how moderate these publicly acclaimed and telegenic muslims are, if you push the right buttons then they get all shouty.

    She’s just shown us her weakness. Don’t you dare diss her sharia. She has two educated parents who supported her in her education. Most of the women in her native Sudan don’t have that, but that’s an inconvenient truth that she doesn’t address. The oppression here in Australia is so much worse.

    Wally’s wife Susan C doesn’t like it when she gets questioned about things like the so-called wife-beating verse 4.34 and has been known to shut down questions in public talks (happened to a friend of mine who has a bad habit of attending her talks lol).

  27. La Deplorevole Tintarella di Luna

    Yes another shrill Harpie in the cast of the other shrill harpie Mona the Mouth Eltahawy

  28. egg_

    She has two educated parents who supported her in her education.

    Thus very privileged against her cultural heritage.

  29. King Koala

    She should know that Sharia is a body of laws, not just praying five times daily.

    She does know. She is lying. Its called taqqiyah

    But if it is simply praying five times and respecting Australian law then they are good Australian citizens.

    But then their kids or grandkids start raping and beheading infidels. Only dot and other blank slate communists can ever believe immigration from muslim countries is a good idea.

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment.

    Its not true. In fact its complete and utter bullshit. The so called islamic golden age came about despite islam. Muslims conquered some thriving European countries who continued to advance in science and art before islam finally dragged those conquered people down to its level.

  30. cynical1

    2. the incorrect message about Islam being the most feminist religion will now start becoming accepted truth.

    Could be a win win.

    Imagine all those frightbats trussed up in burkas and shipped off to Syria for some “Enlightenment”…

  31. Gilas

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment

    Utter bollocks! The Arabs maintained and preserved some of the Western Canon for a time after the fall of Rome, even advancing science eg. Avicenna.

    That all went to s..t with Islam.

    How a medieval, theocratic, totalitarian system can advance humanity has been, and is, patently obvious for all (the non-leftards) to see.

    LQC should know better.

  32. egg_

    I quite liked it when Yassy arced up because she just demonstrated how it doesn’t matter how moderate these publicly acclaimed and telegenic muslims are, if you push the right buttons then they get all shouty.

    Kudos to Lambie in standing up to her, toe-to-toe.
    James did quite well also, letting her mouth off and then responded calmly to all of her points.
    To do otherwise would have been to be bullied into submission – Kudos to the non ALP-appeasement-lackeys.

  33. Rob

    All Australian Muslims have the opportunity to live under sharia law, they have the opportunity to migrate to the Middle East.

  34. zyconoclast

    the European dark ages?
    Another reason why the Middle Ages are often called the Dark Ages is because compared with other eras, historians don’t know as much about this time. In some ways, this period of time has been lost to history. Many important records from this time have not survived.
    Ignorance all around.

    Excellent 5 minute video on “How Dark Were the Dark Ages?”

  35. jupes

    In that case we can be reasonably certain she’s not going to put on a suicide vest and knock out a dozen or so people.

    Two points;

    Her kids might after they have initially been taught the ideology by their parents before becoming more devout. If you are a Muslim you are half way to becoming a terrorist.

    So called ‘moderate’ Muslims produce and provide cover for violent Muslims. Violent Muslims live and hide among so called ‘moderate’ Muslims. Most of their aims are the same.

  36. Old School Conservative

    Prager University’s 5 minute video on the “dark” Ages is excellent zyconoclast – thanks.
    Dennis Prager is doing a sterling job of promoting conservative values and getting facts into the marketplace of ideas.

  37. mh

    I saw Caesar mentioned and expected Munty to be here.

  38. Rabz

    she’s just an empty headed fatmouth

    The transcripts of her rantings are incomprehensible.

    But whatever you do, don’t eat her cakes.

  39. mh

    she’s just an empty headed fatmouth

    That worked for Vanessa Badham.

  40. Rabz

    More profundity from the bag headed bimbo:

    And so when we talk about the label of feminism, it is a very sort of monocultured concept, but it’s also important to recognise that there are a lot of other people that are trying to deal with all the sort of intersectionalities of different identities and there are different ways of finding where that equality sits.

    “intersectionalities”, LOL.

  41. Robber Baron

    These Muslims are all shouty bullies. None concede anything. Not one point. Nothing. They claim the moral high-ground and aggressively attack their opponents. They lie.

    Sadly for Australia, Islam and their Muslim followers are winning.

  42. Robin Barker

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment.
    Propoganda and misinformation.
    Have a read of ‘The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise (Muslims, Christians, and Jews under Islamic Rule in Medieval Spain’ by Dario Fernandez-Morera (Associate Professor, Department of Spanish and Portuguese, Northwestern University, USA.
    It’s an eye-opener. The author bases his evidence on the original sources, all documented.

  43. Zulu Kilo Die Onuitspeeklike

    Dunno how true it is, but one comment on the Oz website is that Yassie’s parents are wealthy Egyptians – she may have been born in the Sudan, but she went to school in Brisbane. No Islamic education for her, then?

  44. egg_

    trying to deal with all the sort of intersectionalities of different identities and there are different ways of finding where that equality sits.

    Very vague generalisation so as to be almost incomprehensible KRuddish, but I think she’s talking about herself as say a feminist, a Muslim, an educated professional and others of different walks of life and how to reach ‘equality’ as a concept.
    Socialism tends to drag all down to a common level, luv; merit goes out the window with tokenism.

  45. egg_

    Yassie’s parents are wealthy Egyptians

    More parallels with TheirSqualid.

  46. Lady Nilk, Iron Bogan

    Linky

    Ms Abdel-Magied was born in the Sudanese capital of Khartoum to parents who put a great store in education. Her father was an electrical engineer and her mother an architect.

    But in Australia her parents’ professional qualifications were mostly not recognised, so it meant they had to start over. It’s an issue many new migrants must confront, Ms Abdel-Magied says.

    “You see a lot of people coming from various countries with amazing qualifications, but they have to start again. There is a lot of wasted potential,” she says.

    “There is one guy who was essentially the Kerry O’Brien of Sudan – I mean he’d written books, he was a journalist – but he had to start anew. He was driving taxis for five years.”

    But Ms Abdel-Magied has clearly thrived and learnt to traverse cultural boundaries. During high school, she switched from the Islamic school to a Christian college, becoming the first girl at the school to wear a headscarf.

    She doesn’t exactly come from an impoverished background, and her parents were quite progressive in their support of her educational aspirations.

  47. John L

    Those two clowns last night would even get a gig at a rodeo. And Lucy would not be able to operate the shoot gate.
    To think that we paid them!

  48. mizaris

    It was all going so well…then the last two sentences – what tosh or the /sarc is missing.

  49. Rabz

    the Kerry O’Brien of Sudan

    LOL.

    The Ol’ Scrote Face of Equatorial Guinea
    The Leigh Sales of Eritrea
    The Ray Martin of Burkina Faso

  50. Recent Historian

    I spend a lot of time reading Encyclicals and Apostolic letters. They are all incredibly wise, prescient and prophetic. (for example in 1968 Paul 6 predicted exactly what would happen in the 80’s – 2010’s in human relationships , google humanae vitae).

    It is pretty clear now that the Catholic Church has seen the writing on the wall and “thrown in the towel” The only hope now for Western Civilisation is for small groups of us to go off the grid and live in entirely self sufficient communities with copies of the Western Cannon, Linux, Analog instruments, Pre-Vatican 2 belief systems and survival gear. (Enough to fit in the back of a 5 grand Diesel Hi-Lux)

    Thankfully the collapse will he swift. With so many single points of failure 2/3rds of the world will be gone within 1 month without electricity.

  51. egg_

    And Lucy would not be able to operate the shoot gate.

    The least relevant member of the panel – obvious to all but him.

  52. Rev. Archibald

    LQC should know better

    ..
    You haven’t been reading LQC much have you?

  53. Gab

    Less than 2% of the population yet their ABC insists on having a muslim appear on every curent affairs show to discuss their religion. No Buddhists, no Christians, no J e w s. Just muslims.

    What’s that all about?

  54. Recent Historian

    What’s that all about?

    The producers know that its only a matter of time before Whaheed Ali or Ahmed Fahour becomes CEO and they are trying to keep their jobs.

  55. hzhousewife

    What’s that all about?

    Fear.

  56. hzhousewife

    Ms Abdel-Magied was born in the Sudanese capital of Khartoum to parents who put a great store in education. Her father was an electrical engineer and her mother an architect.

    I’m always bemused that these people with such superior education and talent and money, don’t apply these qualities to their home countries.

  57. egg_

    Less than 2% of the population yet their ABC insists on having a muslim appear on every curent affairs show to discuss their religion.

    Usually wymminses, too – the ‘fair’ face of taqiyya?

  58. Dr Fred Lenin

    There is nothing wrong with islam or sharia law if it is practiced by ignorant illiterate peasants in some shitheap dysfunctional islamic country ,but in a civilised ,educated prosperous Western country they are like ticks on a dog ,useless vermin ,and will eventually kill the host that nourishes them .
    Kiplings saying “east is east and west is west and ever the twain shall meet” ,is very true in this case . A definate case for segregation there . They can take their leftist enablers with them when they leave ,they are not happy in our country they keep trying to wreck it , islamiccountries are the place for wreckers .

  59. duncanm

    As soon as said ‘agency’ – I tuned out.

    It is guaranteed to be followed by a stream of obtuse words with little meaning.

  60. Dan Phillips

    It’s not even always deliberate, conscious lying. Doublethink is rampant in Islam. It’s built into the religion. The Quran is the verbatim, perfect word of Allah, yet he contradicts himself, so contradiction must be okay so long as it is in the service of Islam. For instance, there is no compulsion in religion, yet the unbeliever should be killed. Both are simultaneously true. You can use whichever one fits the bill in any given circumstances. Islam induces a kind of brain damage in its adherents.
    On top of that, the average Muslim is shockingly ignorant about their own religion. They repeat whatever lies thier imams tell them.

  61. BrettW

    The Muslim lady was certainly a loudmouth constantly trying to interrupt. Paterson did well to keep calm and Lambie was her usual loudmouth self.

    As Gab said how come Q&A and the Drum have such a high proportion of Muslim panellists compared to their %age of the population. That in itself is proof that the religion is “high maintenance” in terms of them fitting in with the rest of the country. When was the last time we had a Phillipino Catholic on the panel ? Has anybody ever seen Tony Jones put a difficult question to such panellists or have the pre-arranged “gotcha” question targeted at a Muslim. Her claim about Muslim fair treatment of women was laughable. Perhaps she is not aware of the Melbourne event where the female speakers faces were blanked out and one actually dropped out of appearing.

  62. B Shaw

    Fear. Yes, it’s all about fear.
    Of course you won’t hear them acknowledge it.
    But they’re nervous.

  63. Texas Jack

    Less than 2% of the population yet their ABC insists on having a muslim appear on every curent affairs show to discuss their religion. No Buddhists, no Christians, no J e w s. Just muslims.

    What’s that all about?

    Death by political correctness…

  64. Roger

    Less than 2% of the population yet their ABC insists on having a muslim appear on every curent affairs show to discuss their religion. No Buddhists, no Christians, no J e w s. Just muslims.

    What’s that all about?

    Muslims are now above the indigenous on the SJW victimhood totem pole, that’s what.

    Aborigines are the only other religious/ethnic group group the ABC panders to with token representation.

  65. Tim Neilson

    Less than 2% of the population yet their ABC insists on having a muslim appear on every curent affairs show to discuss their religion.
    Except if gay “marriage” is on the agenda.

  66. cohenite

    FMD; so much complicated shit written about simple shit. Islam is a military ideology which has 2 purposes: conquer and destroy non-Islamic cultures and keep the muslims in line.

    Everything muslims do is consistent with that.

  67. Frank

    Yassmin seems to be the new female version of Waleed Ali on the ABC/SBS. One can only hope for a turf war.

    She has an unfortunate addiction to walking exuberantly towards the camera and gesticulating while wearing zany headdress. It is bizarre when you see the ads, to the extent that her dialogue gets totally lost because of it. The self conscious precocity of youth that thinks it is going somewhere.

    Wikipedia has her down as a mechanical engineer.

  68. iain russell

    The old furfy about ‘women’s property rights’. At the time that M was doing his stuff – in all its horror – both the Anglo-Saxons and the Franks had property rights for women. This continued in various guises all through the so called Dark Ages into Early and then Medieval times. Why were dynastic marriages arranged, if women had no property rights? Damn straight they had ’em. That’s how at the regal level kingdoms were united and realms expanded; at the more mundane level women brought lands and property to marriages. get the picture? That’s why Calais remains engraved on Good Queen Bess I’s heart, for example. A casual glance at the history of wealthy women founding their own nunneries, and orders of nuns, using their own property will also disprove this ‘alternate fact’ often bandied around by the illiterates and ill-educated in the Moslem world (plus their snivelling sycophantic apologists).

  69. Harald

    It is true though that there was a period in Islamic history during the European dark ages when Islam was a beacon of thinking and enlightenment.

    No, Islam wasn’t. It isn’t today and it wasn’t then.

    Instead Islam back then conquered an area where people lived who were far more educated than the conquering Arab tribes. For instance the Nestorians, whose monasteries also doubled as libraries.

    After the initial conquest by Arab tribes, these conquered cultures where ruled at first by a small Islamic military elite – that is essential: that Islamic military elite did not have the numbers to demographically overtake the native population; to populate the area. The expansion of the Caliphate was far too rapid to Islamise the area, or re-populate it. Besides, some rulers did not even want to get rid of non-muslims because they needed the additional religious taxes they extracted from that dhimmi population.

    The conquered cultures persisted for a long time – perhaps hundreds of years before these people were even for 50% converted to Islam. For example it is estimated that it took approximately 250 yrs before even half the people were converted to Islam in Syria, Iraq and Spain according to Bulliet’s 1979 articles on Conversion to Islam.

    While retaining their culture it was the conquered people who carried on their high culture, in spite of the Arab tribes that conquered them and ruling over them. It was those conquered people who had access to the writings of the Ancient Greeks who preserved it.

    It was the muslims, in contrast, who burned those same libraries – for example the famous library of Alexandria. The books of the library of Alexandria, according to muslim legend, were burned as fuel for the bath houses as ordered by Caliph Umar, since “If those books are in agreement with the Quran, we have no need of them; and if these are opposed to the Quran, destroy them.”

    There were so many scrolls in that library it kept the all bathhouses in the city hot for many months – again: as per muslim legend. Forming a beacon of light perhaps, but not quite the enlightenment you mean, Lucy.

    When those conquered people eventually converted to Islam, the “beacon of enlightenment” was extinguished togheter with their culture.

  70. .

    The library of Alexandria was burnt four times, the Muslim one was simply the last.

    I have no interest in whitewashing the horrible deeds of Jihadists from history, but the way the Q society present history is totally myopic and conveniently forgetful.

  71. Adelagado

    If only Lambie had replied… “No, Sharia Law means that I will also have to pray 5 times a day… or get my head chopped off”.

    Yassmin was utterly unbearable. I had to turn off after 5 minutes.

  72. Harald

    The library of Alexandria was burnt four times, the Muslim one was simply the last.

    Should tell you something – in contrast to the other times, it wasn’t rebuilt.
    And that is precisely my point.

    None of this information is taken from any Q Society publication, by the way. Far from it: The legend regarding the burning of the library of Alexandria by Amr at the direction of Caliph Umar was first mentioned in Islamic texts dating back to the 13th century.

  73. .

    It should tell you something that the Romans attacked it twice and the church attacked it once beforehand.

  74. Vicki

    It would have been interesting to ask Yassmin whether she observes the necessary requirements of the Muslim faithful – commonly called “The Five Pillars of Islam”. While she says she prays five times daily & may no doubt validate the Shahada, I wonder if she fasts, pays the tithe, & intends to undertake the haj.

    She is a very angry and aggressive young woman – making Lambie look quite mild by comparison.

  75. old bloke

    Maurice
    #2295697, posted on February 14, 2017 at 11:20 am

    I suppose Ms Yassmin Abdel-Magied (is she from Adelaide?) does not know of the Sharia Laws in respect to Wills & Inheritance. Daughters receive HALF of what any sons may be allowed to inherit. Fair indeed.

    Furthermore, a woman’s testimony in court is regarded as only worth half a man’s testimony. Also, according to Sharia law, charges of rape cannot be brought against a male defendant unless there are four male Muslims who are prepared to testify. A man can rape a woman with a room full of female witnesses, yet he can’t be found guilty unless there are four male Muslim witnesses.

    Yeah, sure, Islam is really wonderful for women.

  76. Dan Phillips

    You can have female sex slaves in Islam if they are captured as the spoils of war. Mohammad had sex slaves. There is a funny story from Islamic scripture where he was having sex with his slaves, and that made his wives jealous, so they got him to promise not to do it anymore. He agreed, reluctantly, but after a little while—and here’s an amazing stroke of luck—Mohammad got a revelation from Allah that it was fine, and he should in fact have sex with his slaves. Anyway, yeah, Islam is pro women’s rights.

  77. Crossie

    … one can hope that a form of enlightened Islam will ultimately return and displace the extreme Islam ideologies practiced in parts of the world and which are the catalyst for Islamic terrorism.

    Lucy, History tells us that islam moderates only when it is soundly defeated therefore, like you, I am hoping for its defeat.

  78. Crossie

    Our society is met with shrieks of racism and whatever-phobia, to silence not just critics, but anyone asking a question.

    That only works while people still care enough to want to not be a racist.

    At some stage sufficient numbers will just get over the BS and do what they want to do, be that bigoted or no. By that point, the word “racist” will have largely been destroyed and rendered meaningless, just like the word “liberal”.

    People being falsely accused and maligned eventually come to the conclusion that they might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb. In other words, you call people radical they eventually come to realise they might as well be radical.

  79. Dan Phillips

    Lucy, History tells us that islam moderates only when it is soundly defeated therefore, like you, I am hoping for its defeat.

    You may be right. Reform will be very difficult or impossible. The best, most peaceful scenario I could see is if Muslims all convert to Christianity.

    It will be difficult to reform Islam simply because the Quran is the perfect, unchanging word of Allah. There is very little room for interpretation. And there is not much to work with in the first place. It is a vile ideology.

  80. None

    She doesn’t exactly come from an impoverished background, and her parents were quite progressive in their support of her educational aspirations.

    Hmm she was at an Islamic school. Not progressive. She then went to a Christian college (probably Catholic?) And her claim to fame was being the first to wear a hijab. That’s not progressive. That’s the supremacist mindset of Islam. Like making every minaret taller than every church spire. Such symbolism matters in Islamic theology. Even the dhimmi tax is presented as a metaphorical beheading.

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    Oh yeah in any divorce father automatically gets the kids under sharia. Natch, wives can get beaten, forced to have sex whenever husbsnd wants etc. Sharia even provides for prostitution and child sex abuse under the guise of temporary marriages. Hell to believe Islamic theology is to believe Muslim men are irrationsl beasts controlled by their dicks. (In all seriousness I would say that it is Islam’s lack of theological anthropology, its borderline misanthropy that is its most destructive force).

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