“The global deal of tomorrow”

This is from Canada’s Financial Post: In the Trump era, the plan for a Canadian-U.K.-Australia-New Zealand trade alliance is quickly catching on. Here is the point but it’s an interesting article from end to end. These are the first and last paras:

Erin O’Toole, one of the candidates for the Conservative Party leadership, has made one of the key planks of his campaign his determination to “pursue a Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand trade and security pact.” The idea of creating a “CANZUK” zone of free trade and free movement of labour is catching on elsewhere, too. . . .

The post-Cold-War alliances and assumptions are obsolete. NAFTA is dead. The EU will soon lose one of its largest members. Trump might downgrade NATO, abandon the WTO and even diminish the UN. It’s tempting, in a world of change, to try to cling to as much of the old certainties as possible. But if we look up and out, something new beckons. Free trade, free movement and a new security partnership between countries of shared culture and natural affinity. CANZUK is the global deal of tomorrow.

The Empire strikes back.

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60 Responses to “The global deal of tomorrow”

  1. old bloke

    Where is the USA? Why has it been excluded?

  2. .

    Um yeah….why not just go along with the five eyes deal and extend to free trade?

  3. RobK

    The Empire? I think that time has long past. A western Anglo alliance; maybe, of sorts. Some jumping at shadows for those elusive free trade deals.

  4. Cansuck LOL.

    If it doesn’t include the US or China then it will be a very minor thing.

  5. Rev. Archibald

    About 130 million people.
    Not so insignificant.
    Add the US and you are really cooking with almost half a billion people.

  6. Rev. Archibald

    About the same population as the current EU, but without Krauts and cheese monkeys,

  7. Entropy

    I think honk it would be good if it really was free trade, and then add the yanks later. And no EU style death by regulation, and don’t even think about starting another bunch of supra national bureaucrats either political elite.

  8. RobK

    I’ve been called a lot of things, never honk!

  9. Chris

    About the same population as the current EU, but without Krauts and cheese monkeys,

    If we added the Krauts and cheese monkeys we could have some pretty good Saturday nights…
    Reading the encyclopedia out loud at the dinner table, then re-corking 10-euro wine after a single glass while outside the Car-B-Qs light the streets.

  10. John Comnenus

    A number of us Cats having been suggesting this was the sort of thing a moderately competent Australian government should have been promoting to a post Obama world.Alas we wasted our political capital with the US trying to get rid of a couple hundred country shoppers.

  11. egg_

    About the same population as the current EU, but without Krauts and cheese monkeys,

    Sounds good.
    CANZUK vs EUcucks.

    ANZCAN of yore.

  12. Does this mean that members of the new bloc will aim to trade freely with everybody…or just with one another?

    And will a Green Left Australian PM get together with a Green Left Canadian PM to decide what’s nice and what’s naughty before anyone’s allowed to sell a jelly bean?

    What say we keep our tariffs and subsidies as low as we can, our borders as firm as we can…and stay out of others’ business? I don’t want to buy Canadian, I want to buy freely from anybody. And we already have a large tract of Trudopia called South Australia. Doesn’t work.

  13. Chris

    If we had a free trade bloc with Canada, we could replace Cottees’ simulated Maple Syrup Like Product with real maple syrup, for only four times the price. Oh wait, we already can.

  14. Deplorable

    What say we keep our tariffs and subsidies as low as we can, our borders as firm as we can…and stay out of others’ business? I don’t want to buy Canadian, I want to buy freely from anybody. And we already have a large tract of Trudopia called South Australia. Doesn’t work.

    Could not agree more and the last thing we require is free movement between countries especially the islam loving Canada of Trudeau

  15. “The global deal of tomorrow”

    Mmyes, just like the Imperial Preference system dating back to the 17th century. Very futuristic.

  16. 2dogs

    just like the Imperial Preference system dating back to the 17th century

    Quite.

    Britain had built its empire with a view to have a broad based economy across its entire domain. That diversity has remained surprisingly intact, even as those economies have modernised – Britain itself remains the financial hub; Australia still focuses on primary industries, etc.

    The EU tended be an alliance between countries engaged in the same kinds of economic activities – not all that sensible. More gains to be had with a diverse trading block.

  17. Fisky

    It’s an idea that has merit. Brexit will turn out to be the greatest thing that happened to this country.

  18. King Koala

    It would be great if Canada and the UK did not have an immigration policy that makes ours look sane.

  19. Empire GTHO Phase III

    The Empire strikes back.

    This can only work with tight 457 style work visas. Trudeau cannot be trusted. May is suspect. On that basis existing short term visa requirements must prevail, perhaps with a greasing of the gears but tighter vetting.

    Ten years back I ran a global project with ANZCANUS reps and a couple of Krauts. Mostly video conferencing and email. Guess who pissed everyone else off? It’s easier doing business in the Anglophone markets.

    Security is meaningless without US leadership. Trumble is probably looking at the idea and saying “China and muslims. Clever dick, you”.

    It’s an idea with merit as far as trade is concerned. It will likely be sabotaged by the leaders of the constituent nations, low energy dickheads as they are.

  20. Nerblnob

    Would it go like the EU in which “harmonisation” meant that everyone had to bring their bureaucracy up to the interference & obstruction level of France and Italy?

  21. .

    Security is meaningless without US leadership. Trumble is probably looking at the idea and saying “China and muslims. Clever dick, you”.

    I dunno. Britain is a genuine tactical and strategic nuclear power and has fought and won in several conventional large scale wars post Vietnam.

  22. Confused Old Misfit

    These trade deals are nothing more or less than corporate welfare on an international scale. Governments should butt out and let the merchants do their own deals. I know that they won’t because the pollies need to demonstrate that they are doing something and the corpos want to tilt the playing field by buying pollies to make tariff/tax/customs deals that will profit them.
    Justin “the hair” Trudeau and Christina “tears” Freeland will get Canada get screwed. I’ve no confidence they can deal with the US. Compared to Trump they are, as Empire GTHO Phase III says, “low energy dickheads”.

  23. OneWorldGovernment

    Only if we all agree to take down mosques.

  24. struth

    Aren’t our elites scared of owning their politics?
    Always wanting to unite with other countries.

    Yet they want to be a republic because apparently we are all grown up.
    What has who we trade with got to do with government?
    This whole demented left wing bullshit that we must open our borders to trade with other countries is bullshit so completely and utterly as the history of the world shows.
    No, our politicians cannot be trusted with trade or borders.
    We must fight to keep them at arms length.
    They are now so openly pushing global socialism by aligning trade with migration, as you can see by the “free movement of Labour” schtick.
    In other times, this may have been a good idea amongst the anglosphere countries, but now they have been corrupted by multiculturalism and global socialism using moslems, no way.
    And that doesn’t help me out personally, because I would love to live and work in Canada, and the idea is appealing, but for the sake of the survival of our respective nations, this cannot happen.

  25. harry buttle

    Canada is running an open door immigration program, why would we want free movement with them?

  26. Jannie

    The Anglosphere without the Yanks is like a bread sandwich. Then there has to be a space for the Irish. I would like to see the Dutch in it too – they are more Anglo Saxon and speak English better than most people currently in London. Then maybe the Danes and Norwegians, and I suppose the Swedes eventually.

    Such a project would drive the Left utterly insane, well even more insane that they are now.

  27. J.H.

    Actually the Anglosphere works in a quiet geopolitical and economic symbiosis anyway….. and certainly will now that the UK is out of the EU, it will just become a natural affiliation.

    Geo politically, the Anglosphere is back in town, so to speak….. anyway, we will see.

  28. 2dogs

    why not WTO?

    Multilateralism is sooooo 20th century. All the cool kids are into bilateralism these days.

  29. incoherent rambler

    Then there has to be a space for the Irish.

    Sounds like a Mel Brooks movie.

  30. Mitch

    Really Steve? Three million muslims in the UK and Trudeau welcoming all of Trump’s rejects into Canada, and you think it a good idea these countries have free movement to to come to Australia?

  31. Free movement of labor? Is this is a joke? Have you lot learned nothing from the EU disaster? It was bad enough when every Kiwi and his sheep was trotting over here but you want to open us up to Canada and the UK who have seriously screwed their population base with endless immigrants all from countries who traditionally hate the cold? It just boggles the mind.

  32. Deplorable

    Have we not had enough of losing our sovereignty due to signing conventions with the Marxist UN so activist judges can ignore our constitution and parliament by making their own laws. Have we not had enough of uncontrolled islamic invasion of Australia aided and abetted by politicians whose allegiance is obviously not to Australia and it’s citizens. Have we not had enough of Marxist activists being parachuted into positions created by governments that must hate Australians.
    We do not need to join any group and trade away our sovereignty . No free movement ever we decide who when and how many and I hope One Nation are able to bring their policies to bear .

  33. Rococo Liberal

    I can see the left now, crying ”raaaaaciiiist” at the idea that only white anglo-saxon countries joing together to exercise their ”white privilege”

  34. Mother Lode

    There does seem to be a bond among the Anglosphere nations.

    It probably doesn’t hurt that the last two ‘top nations’ (as ‘1066 And All That’ would put it) have been English speaking and culturally similar: Britain and the US.

  35. TheDAwg

    What utter morons. So, with the UK choccers with muslims, Africans and assortment of other human dross, let that labour freely move to Oz? Have Trudeau invite millions of muslim filth to backdoor Ozzies?
    It would be a mini EU controlled by more but different unelected dross to the dross sliding over the parapets.
    The problem is that those white anglo countries aren’t as white as they should be!
    Just another Trojan horse to hasten the demise of the west.
    Trade is fine,but NO labour movement and ease of access.

  36. .

    “Africans are human dross”

    Lovely. What a lovey pile of filth this blog has become.

  37. Defender of the faith

    Its a great idea. The Queen should dissokvr Parliaments and restore the power of Governors. Kates could choose either Ontario or Victoria. Scrap all this Nancy boy legislation and enact Says Law for all purposes. HRH could then ban trade with all unfair traders. We shut borders to China, Mexico, Indonesia – everyone really except the Colonies. Imagine the fun! Everyone could drive a NZ made car! Brilliant.

  38. Recent Historian

    Stupid Idea.

    You will always get a better deal in Bilateral negotiations than Multilateral ones.

    Anyone who has ever bought a second hand item (say a used car) knows that they will pay less and get a better if they just negotiate with one party (usually the Husband) then Multi-parties (e.g. when the Husband has to clear the deal with the wife).

    Trump knows this! That is why he insists on Bi-Lateral deals, and why those who want to lower Western living standards insist we enter Multi-Lateral deals.

  39. JohnA

    If we are talking Anglosphere and the quality of English language, then India has to get a look in, surely?

  40. .

    You will always get a better deal in Bilateral negotiations than Multilateral ones.

    Nonsense.

    The Doha and Kennedy rounds were great.

  41. Recent Historian

    Typo

    * get a better deal

    More

    This is because in Multi-lateral negotiations the party selling will have other buyers as options (others who have signed on to the agreement framework), and therefore will give up less to make any individual deal happen.

    While in Bi-Lateral negotiations the party selling does not have other buyers as options withing the existing framework.

    Which is why when the Husband has to “check with the missus” I say. “I’m standing here with Cash to do a deal now or I have other cars to look at”

  42. Recent Historian

    Plus in Multi-Lateral the process is annoying and all parties quickly run out of energy to get to a resolution

  43. Recent Historian

    Bi-Lateral vs Multi-Lateral would be a good topic for CattallaxyFiles using an Economist / Game Theorist better than me.

    But to my simple mind doing a:

    1) Bi-lateral deal involves 2 parties who both want to negotiate an increase in marginal utility for themselves. While

    2) Multi-lateral involves involves more parties who may not enjoy much (or any?) increase in marginal utility from an individual deal and therefore will be less inclined to concede in negotiations.

    Thoughts?

  44. .

    The Doha and Kennedy rounds were great.

  45. Nicholas (Unlicensed Joker) Gray

    Why not a group called the Allied Nations? These could be democracies who only let in other democracies, and who give trade preference deals with each other, and are ready to defend each other if attacked. If the Anglo-sphere countries get in first, then English might be the default tongue. Perhaps, because of its’ nice climate, the ‘capital’ could be in Bermuda, or any other pleasant place.

  46. Which is why when the Husband has to “check with the missus” I say. “I’m standing here with Cash to do a deal now or I have other cars to look at”

    Bloody hell. We’ve got white supremacists, gun nuts, preppers, fascists, goldbugs and anarchists infesting this site, but I never thought the Cat would stoop so low as to admit used car salesmen.

  47. Recent Historian

    These could be democracies who only let in other democracies

    That would be a great Idea if we thought that Human Rights and Self Determination where important

  48. Recent Historian

    The Doha and Kennedy rounds were great.

    The Kennedy round seems to have lowered western living standards. While from Wikipedia on Doha

    “Since the breakdown of negotiations in 2008, there have been repeated attempts to revive the talks, so far without success. Intense negotiations, mostly between the US, China, and India, were held at the end of 2008 seeking agreement on negotiation modalities, an impasse which was not resolved.”

    i.e. its all become a big multilateral pain in the ass, we’re tired and want to go home to bed!

    Surely “free trade” just falls out of our god given rights to freedom of speach and freedom of association? no need for governments to be involved at all? (But of course that means less 5 star resort conferences for Economists and Bureaucrats)

  49. .

    Recent Historian
    #2297222, posted on February 15, 2017 at 12:10 pm

    The Kennedy round seems to have lowered western living standards.

    This is absolute nonsense.

    “Since the breakdown of negotiations in 2008, there have been repeated attempts to revive the talks, so far without success. Intense negotiations, mostly between the US, China, and India, were held at the end of 2008 seeking agreement on negotiation modalities, an impasse which was not resolved.”

    You’re ignoring what they agreed on and the benefits that will accrue.

    Surely “free trade” just falls out of our god given rights to freedom of speach and freedom of association? no need for governments to be involved at all? (But of course that means less 5 star resort conferences for Economists and Bureaucrats)

    Sure, I agree, so we should just have unilateral free trade. Protectionism is simply harmful.

  50. Combine Dave

    Free trade, free movement and a new security partnership between countries of shared culture and natural affinity. CANZUK is the global deal of tomorrow.

    FFS no thanks

  51. Combine Dave

    Sure, I agree, so we should just have unilateral free trade. Protectionism is simply harmful.

    This part is okay, but if tied to EU style open borders for labour movement and reciprocal welfarism…

    Just ughhh.

  52. Combine Dave

    Its a great idea. The Queen should dissokvr Parliaments and restore the power of Governors. Kates could choose either Ontario or Victoria. Scrap all this Nancy boy legislation and enact Says Law for all purposes. HRH could then ban trade with all unfair traders. We shut borders to China, Mexico, Indonesia – everyone really except the Colonies. Imagine the fun! Everyone could drive a NZ made car! Brilliant.

    Weird that people who love open borders seem to hate free trade..

    No one in NZ drives a NZ made car, they are almost all second hand imports from Japan (think Toyota Harrier, Verso, Vio etc) with the occasional Australian made Commodore (circa 2001) up on bricks on the front lawn – probably owned by someone we deported from Western Sydney due to a criminal record.

    There’s no rational reason why as part of a trade deal allowing UK or Canada to accept our wholesome produce that we’d need to accept their unwanted rapefugees in exchange.

    Anyone who is arguing such as has either learnt the wrong lessons from BREXIT and the rise of Trump or is a wilful traitor conspiring against Australia’s national interests.

  53. Combine Dave

    It’s an idea that has merit. Brexit will turn out to be the greatest thing that happened to this country.

    I wish I could share your optimism.

  54. egg_

    Trade is fine,but NO labour movement and ease of access.

    +1

  55. Squirrel

    Nice-sounding idea, but there are serious “weakest link” issues with this.

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