Are the Liberals legitimising Hanson?

Andrew Bolt draws our attention to an interesting article in the latest Spectator.

 Last time around they managed to put her in gaol. Now they are rolling out the red carpet. Pauline Hanson and her strategists must be shouting from the rooftops and doing back flips. They could never have expected such kid glove treatment from their mortal enemies.

In a radical new departure from days gone by, it is clear that the Liberal Party is now snuggling up to One Nation for nothing other than short term political advantage. (No, surely not?!)

‘One Nation is a lot more sophisticated than it was twenty years ago’ is one of the new lines proffered by Liberal strategists and senior ministers. And ‘just because we are preferencing them doesn’t mean we agree with everything they say’. Brilliant!

First things first – contriving to have Mrs Hanson sent to prison was a huge mistake and was disgraceful. The individuals involved should be ashamed of themselves.

Also I do not believe that One Nation are “a lot more sophisticated” now than what they were 20 years ago. True, they no longer blame Aborigines for the nations problems – now they have found an immigrant group to blame. Overall, however, I think their policies (but for substituting Muslim for Aboriginal) are much the same now as they were 20 years ago.

One Nation are not using their current popularity to inflict as much damage as they can on coalition governments. In electoral terms, it seems, they are being less spiteful. Or perhaps not; in Keatingesque terms perhaps Mrs Hanson is planning on doing them slowly.

What of the preference deals?

I find How to vote cards and preference deals to be quite bemusing. I am always astonished by the excitement these features of Australian elections generate. Arrogant too – political parties tell people how to vote!

By this desperate act, the Liberal Party is legitimising and giving permission to its supporters to go and vote for Hanson.

This may come as a shock to the political classes but voters don’t need permission to vote for whomever they please. For many years I have not required the Liberal Party’s permission to deviate from their how to vote card by putting Labor last, and not the Greens. They go second last. At the last state and federal elections I didn’t need Liberal Party permission to preference them second and not first.

The important point to note is that political parties have to follow the voters. This is the duck hunting theory – if you want to hunt ducks you have to go to the ducks (or lure them to you).  So if any given political parties vote is going to defect, it needs to lure back the votes either by preference deals, or by luring back the voters.  The first is a short term strategy, the second is a long term strategy.  The Howard government pursued the second strategy. We all know that the current Canberra mob don’t have the same skill set that Howard had available to him.

Extremist views are often generated by economic insecurity. So the Turnbull government should be focusing on economic issues – cut taxes, cut red take, cut green tape, reduce wasteful government expenditure.

Final point – it seems to me that the whole idea of preference deals must be to maximise the two-party preferred vote. From a party perspective they want to get as many first preferences as they can, but failing that recovering any leakage from their vote via preference deals is the best strategy they can follow. In many respects this a like trade; you don’t have to like your trading partner, but should trade as long as there is going to be a beneficial exchange.

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80 Responses to Are the Liberals legitimising Hanson?

  1. incoherent rambler

    Extremist views are often generated by economic insecurity.

    True. Interesting the way that this slur was slipped into the text.

    In QLD and WA upcoming state elections PHON may get 20%+ of the primary vote.
    Are you saying that 20% or more of voters are extremist?

  2. Angus Black

    How often do commentators and politicians need to hear it? We don’t trust politicians because:
    (i) they consistently (and inconsistently) lie to us. I sometimes wonder whether most politicians would rather lie even when it disadvantages them!
    (ii) they clearly care only about their own good – irrespective of even their perception of teh good of the community which elects them.
    So here’s the deal – you have not listened to us for years so we’ll take a chance on an outsider.
    We increasingly don’t recognise our own country and what we see, we just don’t like. We’ve made our views clear, but you just won’t listen. Perhaps the outsider will.

  3. Eyrie

    ” I sometimes wonder whether most politicians would rather lie even when it disadvantages them!”
    Yes, they do.

  4. .

    The public don’t really know Pauline’s policies.

    Apart from bubble-dwellers (us), how many voters EVER read policy?

    PHON sure are socialist, but she is plain speaking and is populist, so by definition it is hard to say she is extremist.

    Asian immigration – she made a mistake.

    Muslims – she has a point. They don’t tend to integrate well and don’t speak up enough about the criminals and extremists in their midst.

    He economic policies are just poor – but so are the Liberals’.

    The best thing that could happen to Pauline is a Damascene conversion to Mises, Basistat etc.

    All of the concerns people have regarding economics are demonstrably caused by too much tax, dumb regulation and so on. It is demonstrable that the indigent are better off with no wage regulation, occupational licensing and cutting regressive indirect taxes etc.

  5. .

    To her credit – she has moved rightwardly on economic issues. She acknowledges we spend, tax and indebt ourselves and future generations too much.

  6. Dr Faustus

    ‘One Nation is a lot more sophisticated than it was twenty years ago’

    Ms Hanson certainly is, but clearly the party is not. It is still suffering from the same lack of staff work: sloppy management, how-the-fuck-did-they-get-there candidates, and a strange and inconsistent policy platform of a handful of reasonable principles mixed with populist dross.

    PHON’s current electoral successes are a direct reflection of the terrible job done by the parties of government. Nobody would mistake that for ‘sophistication’ – least of all Liberal machinists looking for a fig-leaf to cover their preferences.

  7. sabena

    “So the Turnbull government should be focusing on economic issues – cut taxes, cut red take, cut green tape, reduce wasteful government expenditure.”
    Which the’re not doing.

  8. Myrddin Seren

    The von Textor Plan.

    Deplorables form the ‘far right’ wing * of the encircling movement to snare the Marginals.

    Their redoubtable Mounted Preferences then fall back to the main body of the Turnbull Imperial Guards – and the war is won ! Election victory by Christmas – and we can empty the branches of vile racist, fascist conservatives out the door to PHON and go forward to our brave new Doctors’s Wives Turnbullian Future.

    * military history play on words there /much sarc

  9. Oh come on

    No. It seems to me that PHON is not the deeply polarising force they were in the 90s and 00s.

    Firstly, a point of correction. Last time Hanson blamed Asians for our problems – Aboriginals not so much. IIRC, PH said an Aboriginal should receive the same benefits as any other Australian was entitled to, which was not, and continues to not be, an especially controversial opinion amongst the wider community. In fact, the only people who got into a flap about her Aboriginal comments were Aboriginals themselves and the SJWs.

    It was “Australians are in danger of being swamped by Asians” that put her beyond the pale. It was this that made her and her party a political saviour for the pinhead xenophobe vote – which may have topped out at 20% in places – and a political anathema amongst 80+% of the population, with no agnostics in between – because it was such a ridiculous, bigoted assertion that history clearly has not been kind to.

    However, opportunistic as Hanson may be, “Australia is in danger of being swamped by Islam” IS a legitimate concern for a lot more than 20%.

    It is silly to pretend that One Nation of yore and PHON have the same fringe appeal. If PHON can get its act together (which I doubt it can), it could have real staying power as its defining policy resonates throughout much of the community, unlike that of its previous incarnation. Foolish to pretend otherwise.

  10. .

    That’s an insult to Field Marshal von Schlieffen.

  11. Oh come on

    The political climate has changed to Hanson’s advantage, as much as the ALP and the Greens would like to pretend otherwise.

  12. Rob MW

    True. Interesting the way that this slur was slipped into the text.

    No it wasn’t slipped in nor was it a slur. It is what happens when peoples lives and business are compartmentalized by people who have never lived or experienced the unintended consequences of policy decisions but instead hide behind the safe haven of globalized social endeavors as reported by the OECD/International Monetary Fund/World Bank/EU and UN without any hint of local contexts other than being labeled, one way or the other, as deplorable.

  13. kc

    PHON is a phenomenon of our time and while I don’t have a feel for what will unfold in WA, the QLD result will be stunning. The ploy by Labor to reintroduce compulsory preferential voting ( an effort to help the greens) will backfire spectacularly and PHON will be the beneficiary. How to vote arrangements are nonsense. The simple fact of the matter is PHON is more desirable to the left than the LNP and are more desirable to the right than the Labor/Green alliance. In almost every instance PHON candidates will get the number 2 from both sides. In a 3 corner contest, where one of the majors gets less than 45%, and PHON runs second, they will win the seat and it is about time the MSM woke up to this fact. PHON, will, at the very least, be in a power sharing Government arrangements as the senior party(probably with LNP). It is also a very real chance of actually being “the government” in Qld and if they act, Trump like, by actually doing what they say they are going to do, then they will be a political force to be reckoned with at Federal level, far beyond becoming a block which will control the Senate and make the green irrelevant. I know the media like to use the term “populist” as some kind of insult. Popular hey. A politician actually doing what people want. It used to be called democracy. A pox on both their houses. Some policies are clearly a “work in progress”, some are terrific and as more good people come to the party I expect policy development to cull out the more offbeat policies and replace them with more workable policy. I never thought I would see, in my lifetime, the events of 2016. The awakening of the conservative masses who are pushing back against the mad socialist PC doctrine that we have been force fed for years. More power to the women, more power to her party and I hope to see it grow and prosper so that our country can grow and prosper (again). She may not have all the answers yet but she is the only one actually asking the questions.

  14. Sinclair Davidson

    Are you saying that 20% or more of voters are extremist?

    Very likely, yes.

    It is an observation, not a slur.

  15. Mark M

    Someone once compared the difference in outcomes between Hanson and Carmen Lawrence of the Penny Easton Affair.
    Hanson was the only one to do time.

  16. Bruce of Newcastle

    The Liberals have vacated the Right leaving half the population unloved and poorly represented.

    They are doomed as soon as one of the right wing parties get themselves a charismatic leader.

    Turnbull will be the subject of many political history books about the disaster he caused his own party and his country by catastrophically misreading the will of the electorate and being fooled by the biggest scam in history. I won’t weep when the Libs are gone.

  17. H B Bear

    Personally I think the Lieborals are kidding themselves if they think the vast majority of PHON preferences are going to come back to them. Like last time PHON are harvesting the protest vote, it is simply much larger this time around. Forget what the media say about her being a right wing party, strip away any policy positions and her core constituency are the ALP’s forgotten battlers.

    For me this is about the only possible interesting thing to come out of the WA state election which looks likely to see a big spending Lieboral government (that admittedly built stuff – mostly bread but plenty of circus too) replaced by a big spending Labor government which will direct spending to its union dominated public service maaates.

  18. A Lurker

    More power to the women, more power to her party and I hope to see it grow and prosper so that our country can grow and prosper (again). She may not have all the answers yet but she is the only one actually asking the questions.

    Amen to that. Pauline and her Senators are almost daily bringing up in the Senate many issues that the major parties would like to leave unquestioned, undebated and hidden to the masses. At the moment PHON is truly attempting to ‘Keep the Bastards Honest’ which is more than can be said for others who have sat in the Senate House or used that moniker as a description.

  19. Myrddin Seren

    That’s an insult to Field Marshal von Schlieffen.

    I am triggered that you are offended by my von Schlieffenism.

    Sarcasist !!

  20. incoherent rambler

    Tobacco taxes, Fuel taxes/excise, gun laws, 18C, safe schools, the RET, compulsory voting, Fair work etc. I view these as extremist. Which parties support these?
    LNP/ALP/GRN.
    So who is extremist?

  21. Rob MW

    He economic policies are just poor – but so are the Liberals’.

    lol. Dot I think that a few others could be added. Personally I think that at least the South Australian pokeroot party makes economic policy whilst sitting on the shitter.

  22. GerardB

    When Pauline Hanson and her colleagues show themselves to be more human and mature than Labor and the Greens, responsible political parties have no choice but to legitimise them. Same with the electorate.

  23. B Shaw

    I agree with Dot – the public don’t really know Ms Hanson’s policies.

    Queensland voters: The claim that 20% or more are extremist – that’s wrong.

  24. zyconoclast

    From the Kyle Benton article: (By-the-way, who is Kyle Benton?)

    Yet look at One Nation’s policies. They are on many levels lunacy and madness.
    – They include zero net immigration (in a country that has prospered only because of immigration);
    Is this still true just because he says it? More open borders lunacy

    – increasing the age pension and increasing its availability (when the welfare tab is killing us);
    Agreed, but don’t import more welfare dependents.

    – a discriminatory immigration policy (as opposed to mere vetting);
    Remember “We will decide who comes to this country and the circumstances in which they come.” can you imagine anyone brave enough to say this now?

    -establishment of a government bank (what a great idea!)
    dud policy

    -restoring tariff protection (in a country that has prospered for two centuries on free trade)
    Didn’t we used to have lots of tariffs? How would using tariffs as an income stream rather than income tax?

    -a two per cent tax policy (which would collapse the economy)
    So the extreme complexity and over taxation we have now is so much better?,

    -replacing the Family Court with community based tribunals (unconstitutional)
    just get rid of the family court.

    – discouraging foreign students (one of our largest and fastest growing export industries)
    We have to recognise that having unlimited foreign and domestic tertiary students just reduces the standards of the universities. The bell curve of IQ does not lie

    – establishment of a ‘Patriotic Broadcasting Company’ (let’s just reform or close down the ABC);
    Dud policy. Just shut it down.

    -banning the burqa (we don’t ban things, we fix the underlying problems)
    Only if you allow balaclavas, motorcycle helmets, gorilla masks into banks, courts and other public places. I can understand normal people are unwilling to deal with this as an 18C destruction of their life is a very likely outcome. Banning will just make it simpler.

    These are just a sample, but they are anathema to almost everyone in the broad church of the Liberal Party.
    Broad church? of socialist/ greenies who infest and dominate the Liberal party.

  25. Boambee John

    Bear at 1213,

    The SJWankers who claimed that Hanson was a creation of the Liberals in 1996 quietly buried the reality that her seat of Oxley was formerly held by Bill Hayden as a safe ALP seat based on the Ipswich coalfields.

    Her big appeal was always to those old style Labor voters who even then were being abandoned by the SJ and PC fanatics who now infest the Liars and the Slime.

    I suspect that much of her support will again come from that group, augmented by conservatives abandoned by Turncoat.

  26. DaveR

    Sinclair,
    20% of voters are very likely extremists? Get a grip!

    I have heard more often over the last few months in the MSM that any political view to the right-hand side of the centre of the Liberal party is now “far right”. That includes Liberal conservatives, or about 35% of Liberal voters.

    Thats a bit rich when the “far left” is still accepted to be beyond the greens.

  27. Struth

    Also I do not believe that One Nation are “a lot more sophisticated” now than what they were 20 years ago. True, they no longer blame Aborigines for the nations problems – now they have found an immigrant group to blame. Overall, however, I think their policies (but for substituting Muslim for Aboriginal) are much the same now as they were 20 years ago.

    Trolling or insulated academic?
    You be the judge.
    They never blamed aborigines for anything.
    It is dangerous being locked inside left wing echo chamber institutions.
    Propaganda and lies are all you hear.

    Extremist views are often generated by economic insecurity. So the Turnbull government should be focusing on economic issues – cut taxes, cut red take, cut green tape, reduce wasteful government expenditure.

    Those sad great unwashed masses, hey Sinc?
    If only we fixed up the economics those stupid bastards wouldn’t mind having their borders violated and being over run with people that want to kill us and take Australia for an Islamic caliphate.
    Sorry Sinclair.
    But you are sounding stupid and aloof, and it deserves this response.

  28. a happy little debunker

    The rise and rise of One Nation is a political reality – much as the rise and rise of The Greens were in the 90’s.

    Ignoring that (green) block of voters certainly diminished Labor stocks in the popular vote.

    The states that are currently engaging with preference swaps are virtue signalling that ‘a vote for One Nation is a vote for us’ & is probably a good strategy – excepting the damage they are afflicting on their longer term allies, The Nationals.

    Federally, there appears to be little of the same – excepting for the olive branch Tony Abbott (as a backbencher) has held out – but he has also roundly criticised abandoning the Nationals.

  29. Wal of Ipswich

    Boambee John nails it. I live in Ipswich & can guarantee from pub testing that this solid Labor city strongly prefers One Nation as a backup & it’s not because of Ms Hanson’s connection to the place. Shorten bleats about preferring them last but that means bugger all on polling day.

  30. Eddystone

    Extreme ideas include;

    -Pretending that the sexual union of two men or two women is exactly the same as that of a man and a woman.

    -The idea that permitting law abiding members of the public to carry implements for self defence will cause an escalation of violence in society.

    -Islam is a religion of peace.

    -CO2 emissions are “carbon pollution”.

    -Australia should drastically reduce it’s use of fossil fuels, and that doing so will both increase our prosperity and save the planet from global warming.

    -Paying over the odds for a bastardised, off the plan, submarine fleet, when there are suitable designs ready and available right now. Pretending that doing so will not compromise national security.

    -Therese Rein is an astute businesswoman.

    Yet all these ideas are considered “moderate”, according to our national dialogue, as played out in the media.

    I must be an extremist.

  31. B Shaw

    Boambee John

    Ms Hanson’s appeal was always to those old-style Labor voters?
    You’re implying an Only? or a Mostly?
    I can’t think how you know this.

    You suspect that abandoned-by-Turncoat conservatives will now join that group.
    No prizes for that suspicion.

  32. kc

    Mark me down as one too Eddystone.

  33. Roger

    Extremist views are often generated by economic insecurity. So the Turnbull government should be focusing on economic issues – cut taxes, cut red take, cut green tape, reduce wasteful government expenditure.

    And yet Hanson is one of the few on the cross bench who would support that agenda.

    Go figure, eh Sinc?

  34. Argy Bargy

    Two things:

    Firstly, the last federal election I voted from the bottom of the card, that is I considered who I least wanted to form government because there was not a party or candidate which I actively wanted on the treasury benches. While PHON remains relatively inane they are a bit Steve Bradburyesque as the last team standing so might well sneak through in an electorate or two.

    Secondly, the rise in ON in the 90s was paired with a coalition team in Qld which was unelectable, good riddance to the never electable Lawrence, and Queensland was the only state where they had any electoral success. The success of the Howard government and the rise of Campbell Newman where the main factors in the electoral demise of ON. The current Lazarus act by PHON directly correlates with another period of non performance by the supposed Liberal/Conservative/Right Wing/Whatever parties federally and certainly here in Qld, but I dare say in other states too.

    So the only way to once more see off the big government populists of PHON is to present an electable alternative, either within or without the current LPA, NP and LNP.

  35. NewChum

    Are you saying that 20% or more of voters are extremist?

    Very likely, yes.

    It is an observation, not a slur.

    You’re only allowed a 2-sigma variance on centre left globalism before you’re in the extremism category.

    Repent, Ye extremists, for your betters shall call you names!

    Anyone who gives any sort of credence to global warming orthodoxy or open borders doctrine is an extremist. Just consult the polls.

  36. Empire GTHO Phase III

    This may come as a shock to the political classes but voters don’t need permission to vote for whomever they please.

    Voters may not require permission, but many require direction. Why? Because many vote reluctantly.

    If voting were not compulsory, parties would be keenly focused on policy rather than vote harvesting. It’s a sad undemocratic system that offers great incentive for leeches to suck lots of blood.

  37. Dr Fred Lenin

    The LNP would sell their soul to the devil to retain power .PHON is a natural progression from the Orwellian state of career politics the national green laboral pardee as I call them.I initially had hopes for. ALAc but they not enough mongrel in them they were too middle class nice to deal not enough mongrel in them to deal with the dregs of the law trade that infest politics . Hanson has experience with
    stoppy drunks from her fish n chip days so drunken nasty two bob lawyers wont frighten her . Hope she doesnt talk to that lawyer bastard abbott the one who framed her for the weasel howard .
    When you look at them the parliament is rotten with shit people poliics attracts blowflies time it was cleansed .Donnie Trump step forward .

  38. incoherent rambler

    What Eddystone and NewChum said.

  39. Razor

    I think the boot is on the other foot.
    The libs are seeking legitimacy from One nation viz: something like 23% of the qld electorate prefer One Nation while the lib nats have dropped to 33% from 41.3%. In fact the One Nation poll has risen over two years from 0.9%. The libs will not win without them.

  40. jupes

    True, they no longer blame Aborigines for the nations problems – now they have found an immigrant group to blame.

    It’s amazing that someone so pedantic at observing the differences between arcane economic theories can be so lax with understanding the nuances of policies you don’t like.

    Hanson never blamed Aborigines for the nations problems. She wanted them treated exactly the same as every other Australian. You know – the rule of law and all that.

    And by pointing out the bleeding obvious that Islamic immigration is bad for the national interest, not to mention individual Australians, PHON must really erk you not least because Blind Freddy can see that it totally destroys open borders theory.

    Good.

  41. jupes

    It is an observation, not a slur.

    Yeah right.

    That’s almost in the Yassmin Abdel0-Magied level of bullshit.

  42. jupes

    Extremist views are often generated by economic insecurity.

    Yes if only Osama Bin Laden and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi had a decent job.

  43. Roger

    Hanson never blamed Aborigines for the nations problems. She wanted them treated exactly the same as every other Australian. You know – the rule of law and all that.

    Yes, that was a particularly inane comment from Sinclair. There was a specific context to Hanson’s complaint about how we treated indigenous folk at the time. Hanson listened as a Liberal candidate for Oxley in Brisbane’s outer west when her prospective constituents complained to her about the crime rate among indigenous youth and how it was making their lives miserable. Police arrested the culprits only to see them diverted from the court system and back on the streets to wreak mayhem. Behind this phenomenon was the break down of the aboriginal family due to welfare dependence and substance abuse.

  44. Boambee John

    B Shaw at 1321,

    I looked at where she was elected from, and the history of the area. She handily won a formerly safe Labor seat, si it is pretty hard to argue that her victory was not based on the votes of a lot of disgruntled former ALP voters, albeit reinforced by Liberal voters who had no candidate to vote for.

  45. Tim Neilson

    If voting were not compulsory, parties would be keenly focused on policy rather than vote harvesting.

    Emp., the performance of the Democrats and RINO’s in the USA doesn’t correlate with your theory.

    I don’t think that compulsory attendance at the ballot box is the main problem – it’s compulsory preferential voting in the Reps. If we could validly vote PHON or Cory or ALA or whatever without our vote ending up supporting the Termite (or Peanut Head), the members of the cartel might be forced to pay some attention to us.

  46. Roger

    I looked at where she was elected from, and the history of the area. She handily won a formerly safe Labor seat, si it is pretty hard to argue that her victory was not based on the votes of a lot of disgruntled former ALP voters, albeit reinforced by Liberal voters who had no candidate to vote for.

    She won the seat with a 19% swing against the ALP.

    It was formerly a traditional Labor seat held for a long time by Bill Hayden.

  47. Boambee John

    Razor at 1405 (and others like B Shaw)

    ON has lifted its vote in Qld by 22 percent, LNP has dropped around 9 percent, so 14 percent has come from whom? It has to be the socially conservative former ALP voters, certainly not the Slime.

  48. Combine Dave

    cut taxes, cut red take, cut green tape, reduce wasteful government expenditure.

    And yet Hanson is one of the few on the cross bench who would support that agenda.

    Go figure, eh Sinc?

    Most on the left would agree that Sinc is an extremist.

    Cutting taxes? spending? The very idea!

  49. Boambee John

    Sorry, 13 percent, not 14.

  50. H B Bear

    ON has lifted its vote in Qld by 22 percent, LNP has dropped around 9 percent, so 14 percent has come from whom? It has to be the socially conservative former ALP voters, certainly not the Slime.

    And that gives you a pretty good idea of where PHON preferences might be heading. There will be a % that follow how to vote cards but a hell of a lot won’t. The overlap between PHON and The Greens would be exactly zero.

  51. The Countess

    Guess I’m an extremist too.

  52. Struth

    I don’t think that compulsory attendance at the ballot box is the main problem – it’s compulsory preferential voting in the Reps.

    Except the politically ignorant don’t disseminate the noise they hear from the MSM and #bullshitonsocialmedia and they are the ones the MSM and the left are after.
    Proof is that if you mention voluntary voting, the left go apeshit.

    A disinterested vote usually only hears the left.
    They heard the lies all through school, and left wing friends never drop the subject, and they just go along.
    Very dangerous and has been a disaster for Australia.
    People have the right not to be interested in politics, and still have the right to vote, yet they don’t get the right not to?
    That is argument enough.
    It is not their duty to go and get their name crossed off.
    If you believe that your vote goes through preferences , so you don’t want it going where you don’t want it going, and that preferences are the problem, it is caused by compulsory voting.
    You can’t do preference deals with votes you aren’t sure you’ll get.
    As long as liberals get a deal with one nation they are back in the race.
    If that deal is done, politically ignorant voters (and they may be great people, and happy?!) may not know it, but are voting on a single issue, like stopping supported Islamic invasion, are made to vote, preferences go to Libs and hey presto, they have just voted for the destruction of their country.
    Does anyone think the liberal party doesn’t get this.
    Preference deals are not as harmful as forcing politically ignorant people to decide on politics and the future of the nation.

  53. egg_

    Are the Liberals legitimising Hanson?

    Seems a big concern at Aunty – and the chattering class?

  54. egg_

    The Liberals have vacated the Right

    Only those in ivory towers could have missed that.

  55. Marcus

    And that gives you a pretty good idea of where PHON preferences might be heading. There will be a % that follow how to vote cards but a hell of a lot won’t. The overlap between PHON and The Greens would be exactly zero.

    Apparently, the only time One Nation’s preferences differed significantly from a 50-50 split was the ’98 Queensland election, where they heavily favoured the Bobridge government. Of course, they had exhausted votes back then, but for all the talk that “we don’t need anyone to tell us how to vote” and “our preferences are our own,” yeah, most people just follow the card.

  56. Squirrel

    It may still be a broad(ish) church, but there’s a revival meeting across the road, and it’s very well attended, and it just can’t be ignored any longer.

  57. test pattern

    ‘Are you saying that 20% or more of voters are extremist?’

    Hanson won’t get that much in the urban WA electorates, 5% perhaps. In the rural Southwest she may. As I pointed out yesterday, this is the same demographic that gave support to the WA far right during WW2, who planned to surrender to Japan and Germany. There is a direct line between Australia First, LOR, Cambell, and PHON.

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47331668/3737894?searchTerm=

  58. Empire GTHO Phase III

    Emp., the performance of the Democrats and RINO’s in the USA doesn’t correlate with your theory.

    I don’t think that compulsory attendance at the ballot box is the main problem – it’s compulsory preferential voting in the Reps. If we could validly vote PHON or Cory or ALA or whatever without our vote ending up supporting the Termite (or Peanut Head), the members of the cartel might be forced to pay some attention to us.

    Yes, there is some truth to this and areff has made the same point before. As long as state power is abused by the governing class, vote harvesting will continue in some form. Removing the compulsion to vote would help. So would optional preferential voting.

  59. B Shaw

    Frank Devine wrote convincingly in favour of removing compulsory voting.
    That was a while back . . . we’re still talking about it.

  60. J.H.

    Twenty years ago Pauline Hanson wasn’t pointing out that “Aborigines were to blame for Australia’s problems”…. I think you are exaggerating Sinclair.
    ….. She was pointing out the huge disproportionate amount of money that Government gave to a small group of Australians for racist reasons that had not worked and was not the best use of Taxpayer’s money. That pouring money endlessly down the corrupt ATSIC hole. (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission) was causing harm not helping.

    Ultimately she was proven right with disbandment of ATSIC in 2004 for Corruption. But the racist policies of giving Taxpayer money based on a group’s race, still continues….. and speaking about it will get you fined or jailed, be you a politician or a uni student.

    20 years ago she was warning about unrestricted Asian immigration….. I would like to remind leftists, that Muslims from the Middle East are Asian…. Pauline wasn’t incorrect or overwrought or racist…. She neatly put her finger on the location of Australia’s future immigration concerns.

    Australian’s don’t want unrestricted immigration or unvetted refugees from Muslim countries….. She got it exactly right. People still keep trying to say that Pauline Hanson was wrong and racist, when mostly she was correct, but deliberately misquoted, misrepresented and maligned by the Media and the political elite.

    Anyway, she is back as a political force once again…. Her affection for this country would seem to be manifest in her persistence to have it’s voters fairly represented in politics…. Hopefully this time she can build a longer lasting mainstream political relationship. Good on her.

  61. Fat Tony

    With preferential voting, why is a second, third, fourth or greater preference worth a full vote?

    Why not 1/2 for a second, 1/3 for a third, 1/4 for a fourth or something similar?
    Why should a full vote go to someone you don’t really want to vote for?

  62. Fisky

    Hanson won’t get that much in the urban WA electorates, 5% perhaps.

    Hanson will get a lot more than 5% in the Southern suburbs.

  63. Fisky

    Also I do not believe that One Nation are “a lot more sophisticated” now than what they were 20 years ago.

    They are much better at playing the media than 20 years ago. Hanson was absolutely hopeless in her first stint, but she has most of the media eating out of her hand now.

  64. Fisky

    BTW – the mainstream opinion supported by overwhelming majorities is to ban immigration from as many Muslim countries as diplomatically feasible. That has majority/plurality support in every Western country. The fringe extremist position is to import tens of thousands of Muslim refugees from Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, etc, for all eternity.

  65. Joe

    With preferential voting, why is a second, third, fourth or greater preference worth a full vote?

    Indeed. After 1st preferences, 2nd preferences should be added and the 1st preferences should be added as well. It’s not fair that a voter whose candidate happens to win in the first round, does not get to recast their vote, but a loser does.

    Says is all for Australia really, loser wins.

  66. Makka

    The fringe extremist position is to import tens of thousands of Muslim refugees from Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, etc, for all eternity.

    Yep, the space occupied by the loony left, greenscum and libertarians. All of them open borders morons.

  67. Davey Boy

    Davidson contributing to the fabrication of aboriginal history, well done sir.

  68. Jannie

    Actually I think the preference deal may be a case of Hanson legitimising the Liberals.

  69. Actually I think the preference deal may be a case of Hanson legitimising the Liberals.

    Yes. A tactical blunder on Hanson’s part. PHON should have traded on the negative public sympathy for the Majors, with a double-sided HTV card. One side – “How to vote PHON and put the Liberals last”, and the other side “How to vote PHON and put Labor last”.

  70. .

    Makka
    #2299819, posted on February 17, 2017 at 7:26 pm
    The fringe extremist position is to import tens of thousands of Muslim refugees from Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, etc, for all eternity.

    Yep, the space occupied by the loony left, greenscum and libertarians. All of them open borders morons.

    Why do you need to bullshit and lie Makka?

  71. Crossie

    First things first – contriving to have Mrs Hanson sent to prison was a huge mistake and was disgraceful. The individuals involved should be ashamed of themselves.

    I believed that was the former PM Abbott which may cause difficulties should he regain the prime ministership. On the other hand he is still preferable to the current one and the Labor aspirant.

  72. Muddy

    Actually I think the preference deal may be a case of Hanson legitimising the Liberals.

    Absolutely. I agree with Jannie and mv on this point. Silly PHON. Way to go from outsider to insider. They would be much better taking lessons from Trump’s ‘stun, gun, done’ approach to the anxiety-porn industry. Make a big show of excoriating DietLabor rather than holding hands with them.

    I’ve written previously though that I don’t expect PHON to stick around. ‘We’re here for a good time, not a long time.’

  73. Muddy

    It’s still WDM for me. No-one yet deserves my vote.

  74. Oh come on

    The ALP, Greens and the Left in general are fighting Hanson in a way that makes me think they haven’t realised she’s no longer the Member for Oxley and that she has a different policy platform.

    Placing restrictions on Islamic immigration is a single-issue voter creation machine. It’s hard to say exactly how far it could take PHON, but I think it’s taken the party quite far already.

  75. B Shaw

    Absolutely true. It’s taken the party far . . . and it will go farther.

  76. egg_

    Placing restrictions on Islamic immigration is a single-issue voter creation machine.

    That plus Green energy could pull a lot of votes from the ‘middle’ – previously estimated at 10% – but now 20%?
    Folk disaffected by the LibLab duopoly?

  77. jupes

    The fringe extremist position is to import tens of thousands of Muslim refugees from Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, etc, for all eternity.

    Don’t forget Qatar.

  78. Oh come on

    A very good percentage will show up to vote for a party that convincingly asserts it will restrict Islamic immigration. Certainly enough to win that party seats in whatever legislative body it’s vying to be represented in. And many of those voters won’t know, won’t care about that party’s other policies. This is not a good situation but it is a reflection of the fact that the creeping influence of Islam in our society has become an important mainstream concern, yet NONE of the mainstream parties are willing to acknowledge this, let alone incorporate it into their policy platforms.

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