Yassmin should convert?

On her blog, Yassmin Abdel-Magied states

The thoughts and musings of a young, Aussie Muslim woman asking questions and doin’ her thang.

Questioning rather than defending her religion might be something for her to consider. From her blog

Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

Our Prophet Mohammed (SAW) did not turn to violence unless it was in self defence and even *then*, he constantly chose to forgive rather than inflict further pain.

Even the colonisers, when invading Muslim countries back in the day, thought Muslims were ‘too lenient’. Governor Hastings, along with his Governor-General of India Charles Cornwallis, felt like Islamic law allowed people to escape punishment too easily, complaining that Sharia was “founded on the most lenient principles and on an abhorrence of bloodshed”.

As for being the most feminised religion – well there are female rabbis, female bishops, female priests but no female imams. This is clear in the hadith which states

A woman may not lead a man in Prayer …

With the separation of men and women being in the hadith

The best rows for men are the first rows, as opposed to the last ones, and the best rows for women are the last ones as opposed to the first ones.

I’m not sure why Yassmin has to identify as a young Aussie Muslim woman rather than just a young Aussie woman. Most of us don’t go around parading our religion. That tends to divide rather than unite.

If Yassmin really wants to identify as a dispossessed minority who have been subject to abuse over thousands of years she should convert to Judaism. That is truly a religion of peace and home to feminists. And it has provided a disproportionate number of the world’s great thinkers. Yassmin – a young Aussie Jewish woman.

She would still be worshiping the one true God under that monotheist religion, although the Jewish God seems to not rely on mere mortals to effect punishment. Why would God rely on human agency to inflict punishment when He can do so directly?

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55 Responses to Yassmin should convert?

  1. Bruce of Newcastle

    Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    Could’ve fooled me. Also could’ve fooled at least 62% of Palestinians.

    During one such argument, one of my roommates ‒ an easygoing American-Jewish guy in his mid-30s ‒ seemed to be suggesting that all Palestinians were terrorists. I became annoyed and told him it was wrong to call all Palestinians terrorists, that only a small minority supported terrorist attacks. My roommate promptly pulled out his laptop, called up a 2013 Pew Research poll and showed me the screen. I saw that Pew’s researchers had done a survey of thousands of people across the Muslim world, asking them if they supported suicide bombings against civilians in order to “defend Islam from its enemies.” The survey found that 62 percent of Palestinians believed such terrorist acts against civilians were justified in these circumstances.

    This is from a lefty journo who did a placement in Jerusalem. He learned quite a lot during his stay.

    How a pro-Palestinian American reporter changed his views on Israel and the conflict

  2. Crossie

    Why would God rely on human agency to inflict punishment when He can do so directly?

    Good question. If Allah were THE God then why does he need mere humans to defend him? Why would he need new converts by force?

    Christianity wants converts of free will, and so does Buddhism, Hinduism and every religion except Islam.

    And for those who cite Crusades as proof of violent Christianity, Crusades were defensive, to protect Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land against Muslim attacks.

  3. Gavin R Putland

    “And for those who cite Crusades as proof of violent Christianity, Crusades were defensive, to protect Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land against Muslim attacks.”

    Tell that to a Jew or an eastern Orthodox Christian and see how far you get.

  4. Roger

    She would still be worshiping the one true God under that monotheist religion…

    Oh dear…

    The name of God is most important in Judaism, Christianity and Islam, Lucius.

    The primary name of God is different in each, although there is continuity between Judaism and Christianity, at least from a Christian perspective.

    Not so with Islam.

    The same applies to the chief prophets of each…Moses, Jesus and Mohammed – continuity between the first two, not so with the last.

    …although the Jewish God seems to not rely on mere mortals to effect punishment. Why would God rely on human agency to inflict punishment when He can do so directly?

    I can only imagine you have never read the Bible; in it you will find that God often deigns to use human agents to effect His will. That is His prerogative.

    The idiocies of Yassmin can not be effectively countered with equally ignorant pronouncements about Judaism and Christianity

  5. duncanm

    Thing is Yasmin – English law has moved on from Cornwallis’ observations in 18th century when people were routinely hanged for stealing, Islamic law has gone backwards since then.

  6. eb

    Islam is fascism, pure and simple.

  7. Tel

    Pick a majority Muslim country that you would feel happy to be living in for the rest of your life.

    You can select from the entire world, any Muslim majority country. Go!

  8. 2dogs

    Given the extremely draconian nature of Governor Warren Hastings, him calling Sharia or anything else moderate wasn’t saying much.

    I think the context of the quote is that whereas he wanted armed robbers to be executed, their families enslaved, and their villages fined, the Muslims concerned were satisfied merely with the executions.

  9. C.L.

    Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    LOL.

    As for being the most feminised religion – well there are female rabbis, female bishops, female priests but no female imams.

    There are no female bishops or priests.

  10. C.L.

    On the question of Islam being “the most feminised religion,” yes – I think that’s actually true.

  11. slow&easy

    C.L.
    #2299874, posted on February 17, 2017 at 8:45 pm

    There are no female bishops or priests.

    can’t bothered to look up but you are wrong.

  12. Tel

    There are no female bishops or priests.

    What about Julie, huh? huh? You hadn’t thought of that, had you?!?

    Anyhow, there’s a whole world outside of Catholicism…

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30974547

    The Right Reverend Libby Lane, 48, was made Bishop of Stockport in front of more than 1,000 people.

    The Church formally adopted legislation last November to allow women bishops, following decades of argument over women’s ordination.

    Archbishop of York John Sentamu, who led the service, said he had been “praying and working for this day”.

    Maybe you guys need, ohhh I dunno, how about a progressive Pope? Would that help?

  13. Harald

    Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    Was Kinana b. al Rabi’ innocent?
    Was ‘Abdullah b. Khatal innocent?
    And al-Huwayrith b. Nuqaydh b. Wahb b. ‘Abd b. Qusayy?
    How about the two singing girls Fartana and her friend?
    Sara, the freed slave of one of the Banu ‘Abdu’l-Muttalib?

    Is Wilders innocent?
    Is Kurt Westergaard innocent?
    Is Bosch Fawstin innocent?
    Are Jews innocent?
    Are gays innocent?
    How about adulterers?

  14. DM of WA

    Except that if she stopped being a Moslem she would lose the most important criterion for her employment by the ABC; it is after all the only special “talent” she possesses, aside from being self-absorbed, loud-mouthed, empty-headed, a third-world immigrant, female and millennial, of which there are many more just as “talented” in the Q and A audience or spouting off on Twitter.

  15. Harald

    Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    Was Kinana b. al Rabi’ innocent?
    Was ‘Abdullah b. Khatal innocent?
    And al-Huwayrith b. Nuqaydh b. Wahb b. ‘Abd b. Qusayy?
    How about the two singing girls Fartana and her friend?
    Sara, the freed slave of one of the B. ‘Abdu’l-Muttalib?


    Not innocent apparently according to the online imam there who says: “The Prophet gave orders to kill them even if they were found hanging to the curtains of the Ka’bah.”
    All they did was mock the prophet or apostise – then what exactly does it mean to be innocent?

    Is Wilders innocent?
    Is Kurt Westergaard innocent?
    Is Bosch Fawstin innocent?
    Are J-ws innocent?
    Are gays innocent?
    How about adulterers?

  16. Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    The Kafir is never innocent by definition, unbelief in mohammed is deeply offensive to mohammed and invites the wrath of islam.

    This is taqiyya 101.

  17. jupes

    Islam does not allow fors killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    So everyone is Syria is guilty.

    Okay if you say so.

  18. jupes

    Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    Oh. So you’re saying that every Jew is guilty as well.

    Racist.

  19. Gavin R Putland

    Well, it doesn’t take much to trigger the offendobot. Trying again…

    “And for those who cite Crusades as proof of violent Christianity, Crusades were defensive, to protect Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land against Muslim attacks.”

    Tell that to a J-w or an eastern Orthodox Christian and see how far you get.

  20. C.L.

    The Right Reverend Libby Lane, 48, was made Bishop of Stockport in front of more than 1,000 people.

    LOL.

  21. Rabz

    Poor li’l Yassmin – she’ll never be taken seriously again. Exhibits A, B & C*:

    – The Q&ALPBC Screechathon (and Jacqui Jacqui’s subsequent alleged** televisual demolition)
    – The taxpayer funded egothons to some of the most backward hellholes to have existed in the history of the Universe
    – Today’s Leak

    She’s finished, she just doesn’t know it yet. She’s not a perpetual irritant in the Squalid Ali class. Way too loud, narcissistic and staggeringly stupid. FFS, what sort of “woman” would willingly get around wearing a seventies curtain on their fat empty ugly bonce?

    *D (a special bonus) That fat waffling Windbag’s taxpayer funded Iftar Dhimmi Dinner
    ** Haven’t watched it and am not planning to.

  22. BrettW

    I think Yassim, with her fun personality, is probably quite the recruiter for her religion.

  23. Jannie

    Followers of islam do not usually overtly seek to convert those whom they conquer, unless as in the West, they are building their numbers for the offensive after the taqiya truce.

    Kafirs can be killed with near impunity, converts to islam have rights and are innocents.

    Historically it was more convenient for the conquered Kafirs to remain in Dhimmi status, but only Christians and Jews. Kafirs can be legitimately enslaved and forced to pay Jizya, a variable tax. If the Kafir converts to Islam they cannot be slaves. Technically speaking that is.

    In practice, conversion to Islam did not always free the slaves. For example the muslim untouchables remained in penury, and Sudanese and Somalis were kept in bondage while they paid off their “debts” – compensation for the loss of the slaves as property. Such groups never even had the limited protection afforded to “people of the book”, i.e. Christians and Jews.

  24. Jannie

    For heavens sake, the words Jew and Jewish are central to the article above. Surely the word detector could be switched off in this sort of discussion.

    [It’s not possible to selectively switch the system on and off. I’m not keen to disable it anyway as the personal cost of cleaning up after Bird is very high, while the temporary annoyance of threadsters imposes no cost on me. Sinc]

  25. min

    Yassmin is not very well read on the Muslim conquests prior to the Crusades. I am sure Jerusulem was not taken by Islam without a few innocents dying.

  26. .

    Tell that to a J-w or an eastern Orthodox Christian and see how far you get.

    I blame the Franks. They started the war with the Vikings and instituted feudalism (slavery) as well.

  27. Splatacrobat

    Winnie said it best.

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity.

    The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property—either as a child, a wife, or a concubine—must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die. But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science—the science against which it had vainly struggled—the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

  28. Rabz

    I blame the Franks.

    They’re almost as loathsome as moozleys. Thankfully, they’ll be extincted within the next two decades.

    It’s long overdue. Never in human history have such a supposedly “gifted” tribe so wantonly squandered such a mighty inheritance.

  29. None

    Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    Islam does not allow for non-Muslims to be innocent. Ever. Full stop.

  30. None

    Our Prophet Mohammed (SAW) did not turn to violence unless it was in self defence and even *then*, he constantly chose to forgive rather than inflict further pain.

    And so say all the massacred Jews of Banu Quraiza.

  31. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Activist Yassmin Abdel-Magied contradicted her own statement that Islam is “the most feminist ­religion” in her book in which she quotes the Koran as commanding women to wear a head covering so that they would be “decent”.

    In her memoir Yassmin’s Story — published by Penguin Random House Australia last year — Ms Abdel-Magied recounts the story of how she began wearing the hijab of her own accord about the age of 10.

    This was because she felt as if it were part of her identity but, growing older, she began to understand there was a “religious imperative in the scripture to wear the hijab’’.

    The author and activist, who went on a taxpayer-funded tour of oppressive Islamic regimes to promote the book late last year, ­appeared on ABC’s Q&A program on Monday night where she ­became involved in a shouting match with senator Jacqui Lambie about whether Islam allows women to be free. “Excuse me, Islam to me is the most feminist religion, right. We got equal rights well before the Europeans,” Ms Abdel-Magied said.

    She conceded there were Muslim-majority countries around the world with horrific records on rights for women but insisted this was for political and cultural ­reasons, not because of the text of the Koran.

    In her own book, Ms Abdel-Magied quotes from the Islamic holy book: “Oh Prophet! Tell thy wives and thy daughters, as well as (other) believing women, that they should draw over themselves some of their outer garments (when in public),” she quotes.

    “This will be more conducive to their being recognised (as decent women) and not annoyed.”

    From the Oz. Seems the fair Yasmin tells one story in her book, and another to the A.B.C.

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Wined and dined well, several large Scotches, and I vucked up the bold print – sorry bout that.

  33. None

    Sharia was “founded on the most lenient principles and on an abhorrence of bloodshed”.

    Yes, hanging, stoning fellow Muslims (or beating wives without making too much of a mark) kind of involves less bloodshed than beheading kaffir.

  34. None

    Even the colonisers, when invading Muslim countries back in the day, thought Muslims were ‘too lenient’. Governor Hastings, along with his Governor-General of India Charles Cornwallis, felt like Islamic law allowed people to escape punishment too easily, complaining that Sharia was “founded on the most lenient principles and on an abhorrence of bloodshed”.

    That is probably the most deceitful statement by Yassmin. Hastings and Cornwallis were perturbed by Muslims usurping the rights of the state to deal with murderers (at that time the state decreed capital punishment for murderers) and either not meting out punishment to murderers or accepting blood money. In other words their’s was a critique of sharia law vs the laws of the state, and the relative values and utter cheapness of life in the Muslim mind.

  35. Fisky

    Even the colonisers

    This woman is an Arabic-speaking Sudanese Muslim. I don’t think she should be calling other people “colonists”.

  36. Zyconoclast

    Well, it doesn’t take much to trigger the offendobot. Trying again…

    “And for those who cite Crusades as proof of violent Christianity, Crusades were defensive, to protect Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land against Muslim attacks.”

    Tell that to a J-w or an eastern Orthodox Christian and see how far you get.

    While not excusing the violence against the eastern Christians and J, I suggest that the crusades would not have happened if Mo and his friends had not been doing very bad things.

  37. Crossie

    Islam does not allow for killing innocents. Ever. Full stop.

    Islam does not allow for non-Muslims to be innocent. Ever. Full stop.

    Perfectly summed up and that’s why they cannot be trusted.

  38. Dave of Reedy Creek

    Try Googling texts on violence towards unbelievers etc. in the Koran. My search shows over 100 in the Koran alone, this women is just a PR person for her totalitarian religion. Coming in a week of more internal atrocities between sects in Islam in Pakistan, her bogus claims make her look totally ignorant of what she professes. Is she just a local Muslim elite hoping to con us? Good luck with that.

  39. A Lurker

    If Yassmin really wants to identify as a dispossessed minority who have been subject to abuse over thousands of years she should convert to Judaism.

    Pigs would evolve wings and fly first. She would not do so because she would be killed by other Muslims for being an apostate.

  40. rickw

    Don’t try and make sense of Yassmin’s comments on islam, or point out the gross inconsistencies or obvious errors. Yassmin is engaged in taqiyya, pure and simple, she knows precisely what islam is.

    The Yassims of the world have been extremely useful to islam, as they help give rise to the idea that there is a “moderate” islam and that this moderate islam is essentially compatible with western values. This brand of islam does exist, briefly, when islam is a minority and wants to avoid attracting scrutiny while building numbers. Once a solid base is established, islam reverts to its true form, the islam of the sword, the islam that has delivered the world 1400 years of consistent death, destruction and subjugation.

    Yassim is lying for islam, pure and simple. Leak is to be commended for his magnificent skewering of this vile woman.

  41. Suburban Boy

    “I’m not sure why Yassmin has to identify as a young Aussie Muslim woman rather than just a young Aussie woman.”

    Sorry, Lucy, but if this creature is an Aussie in any meaningful sense (just having our passport doesn’t count) then I’m the Queen of Sheba.

  42. Barry 1963

    I like the idea where all Australians can practise their religion freely. To deport some who peacefully think differently, while popular with some, is dangerous and wrong.

  43. Tel

    So holding up a sign saying, “Behead those who insult the Prophet”… does that count as peacefully thinking differently?

  44. And for those who cite Crusades as proof of violent Christianity,

    Exactly what is being taught is high schools in NSW according to my grandchildren.

  45. Barry 1963, there is a lot of difference between thinking peacefully and practicing religion peacefully.
    Four Australians killed by Muslim men in Broken Hill in 1915; Numan Haider carried the Islamic flag on his way to knife two policemen in 2014; Man Monis, two dead, was a “righteous jihadist”; Curtis Cheng, shot dead by an islamic terrorist (and another 4 men were arrested for their part in supporting the boy).
    None of the above allows Islam to take the mantle “peaceful”

  46. Vicki

    Most Muslims, like Yassim, seem to think that it is impossible for any non-Muslim to know or understand anything about Islam. I often wonder if it is a trait deriving somehow from the tenets of the faith or from the cultural idiosyncrasies of the ethnic groups who practise it.

    Certainly the arabic Middle East appears despairingly narcissistic its rage against western values and achievements. Although the contemporary culture in the West is also self-absorbed, it hardly compares to the delusions and anger that spews out of the militant jihardis.

  47. Vicki

    Winnie said it best.

    No doubt about that, Splatacrobat. Particularly:

    But the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it.

    And removal from the poisonous atmosphere of the Middle East does not totally extinguish the hold of the imam or the habits of exclusivity, as we see when they settle in the West for economic benefits.

  48. Barry 1963

    Yes, Old School, there is a lot of difference. So, if a Muslim simply prays, observes peaceful strictures on diet etc., he shouldn’t have to pay for sins of violent Muslims. When the Catholic IRA killed innocent English (I’m originally English), I didn’t think badly of all Irish and Catholics. Indeed, I tried to understand the Irish grievance against the English, and I supported dialogue (even with terrorists) to bring about a resolution of the conflict.

  49. Roger

    Most Muslims, like Yassim, seem to think that it is impossible for any non-Muslim to know or understand anything about Islam. I often wonder if it is a trait deriving somehow from the tenets of the faith or from the cultural idiosyncrasies of the ethnic groups who practise it.

    The cultural idiosyncrasies of those who practice Islam were formed under its influence over the centuries. Etymologically and sociologically, culture derives from cultus, the Latin root applying not merely to the cultivation of land but also the performance of the proper religious rites. In the West we have separated culture from religion (thus the former is decadent and dying; witness modern art), but that is not how it is in the rest of the world, where religion and culture are inseparable. In short, the attitude you take note of is inculcated by the religion of Islam and the “narrative” it instills in its adherents, which is the backbone of the cultures of Islam, particularly in the ME & NA.

  50. Vicki

    The cultural idiosyncrasies of those who practice Islam were formed under its influence over the centuries.

    This is a really interesting observation. Thank you, Roger.

  51. Outraged

    Boy, am I getting totally sick and tired of hearing about Muslims and Islam. We are not bombarded by other faiths, religions, or whatever.

  52. Roger

    This is a really interesting observation. Thank you, Roger.
    You’re most welcome, Vicki.

  53. Jannie

    Re: The word “Jew”.

    My apologies Sinc. It’s not fair to expect you to wear such a risk, and you host a really great blog. I will try to remember in future.

  54. Jimf

    Surely the bouncy , photogenic, Aussie girl next door Yassmin is the “chemical Ali” of our time? You know , a completely shameless and deluded spruiker of nonsense .. The shameless , dishonest nerve of these cosseted western democracy raised Muslim spokespeople to project their babble as a marker of how the real world of Islamic life is for women (and other punching bags) is true intellectual fraud .
    Hopefully Yassie has just fucked a potentially burgeoning career as an ABC opinionista.

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